Tom:

As FamilySearch provides the tools to affiliates for working with the the Family
Tree, we expect Ancestral Quest to implement adjustments in a timely manner.

We are nearing completion of AQ version 14. This new version will have a few new
general features, but it will also have some new features dealing with
FamilySearch. One of these is designed specifically to help with preparing your
ancestors for migration from nFS to the Family Tree. As we get closer, I'll
provide more details :-)

Gaylon


----- Original Message -----

From: tgwilliam47@...
To: "AQ NFS" <AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:55:24 PM
Subject: [AQ_NFS] newFamilySearch to Family Tree

The Church of Jesus Christ of Later-day Saints is migrating from newFamilySearch
to FamilyTree and at some point in time newFamilySearch will be replaced by
FamilyTree. Is AQ in the process of making changes to accommodate this migration
and if so will the group be able to help in the Beta Testing and what might be
that time frame?



------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Galyon.
Can you shed some light on Tom's comment that
FamilySearch is migrating from nFS to Family
Tree?  It appears to me that Family Tree is just
another view within nFS, and that by itself does
not include provision for the genealogical and
ordinance details about individuals, nor does it
provide for family group views.

Richard

At 03:19 PM 4/26/2012, you wrote:
>
>
>Tom:
>
>As FamilySearch provides the tools to affiliates
>for working with the the Family Tree, we expect
>Ancestral Quest to implement adjustments in a timely manner.
>
>We are nearing completion of AQ version 14. This
>new version will have a few new general
>features, but it will also have some new
>features dealing with FamilySearch. One of these
>is designed specifically to help with preparing
>your ancestors for migration from nFS to the
>Family Tree. As we get closer, I'll provide more details :-)
>
>Gaylon
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: <mailto:tgwilliam47%40gmail.com>tgwilliam47@...
>To: "AQ NFS" <<mailto:AQ_NFS%40yahoogroups.com>AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:55:24 PM
>Subject: [AQ_NFS] newFamilySearch to Family Tree
>
>The Church of Jesus Christ of Later-day Saints
>is migrating from newFamilySearch to FamilyTree
>and at some point in time newFamilySearch will
>be replaced by FamilyTree. Is AQ in the process
>of making changes to accommodate this migration
>and if so will the group be able to help in the
>Beta Testing and what might be that time frame?
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Richard,

In case you have . . . do not confuse the "Family Tree" view in nFS with
the replacement product for nFS called "FamilySearch Family Tree" (FS FT).

FS FT is currently in beta test and beta testers (with an LDS account) can
be enrolled at

*https://familysearch.org/invite/familytree_tab


*once enrolled, access to FS FT becomes a menu option on
familysearch.orgafter log-in with your lds account (
familysearch.org will be used as a gateway to all familysearch services).

There is an accompanying pdf user guide by following the Help option in
familysearch.org.

* FS FT uses the live data in nFS. FS FT and cannot yet add in new
individuals or delete individuals, relationships or marriages - but can do
most everything else.

* FS FT gets rid of all the duplicates - using the "Summary" data from nFS
- all AF and PRF data has been returned to a new database of contributed
family trees searchable in familysearch.org.

* The ownership criteria for deleting or changing data has been removed -
replaced by a modification history and roll-back feature for any changes
made.

* Sources can now be specified with acceptable citations - albeit that the
old "PAF" methodology of combing a "source" with a "citation" has been
rolled together into a single source/citation description/id. Digital
source documents can now be attached (FS have indicated they are likely to
provide a hosting service for these - I have found the public folder option
in Dropbox to be an excellent and satisfactory way of doing this) -
provision is also there for describing your justification for using the
source and conclusions to be drawn - sources are applied to the individual
(at the moment) FS have indicated this may move to the event level; having
used it and as long as the use of the source is explained in the
justification, I can live with this and see it as a "tidying" feature.

* At the recent RootsTech conference in February Ron Tanner made an
entertaining and informative presentation about FS FT and the faults in nFS
- and stated that FS FT would replace nFS by the end of this year . . . and
be opened for the general public. Interestingly, while video recordings of
all the other presentations at Rootstech have been made available on the
internet, this one has not . . . my personal conspiracy theory is one of
censorship for being so frank and outspoken.

Clearly FS FT is going to present AQ (and others) with new interface
challenges . . . the work the AQ team are going to have to put into this is
going to be quite significant.

===Stewart


On 27 April 2012 08:01, Richard Rands <rrands@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi Galyon.
> Can you shed some light on Tom's comment that
> FamilySearch is migrating from nFS to Family
> Tree? It appears to me that Family Tree is just
> another view within nFS, and that by itself does
> not include provision for the genealogical and
> ordinance details about individuals, nor does it
> provide for family group views.
>
> Richard
>
>
> At 03:19 PM 4/26/2012, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >Tom:
> >
> >As FamilySearch provides the tools to affiliates
> >for working with the the Family Tree, we expect
> >Ancestral Quest to implement adjustments in a timely manner.
> >
> >We are nearing completion of AQ version 14. This
> >new version will have a few new general
> >features, but it will also have some new
> >features dealing with FamilySearch. One of these
> >is designed specifically to help with preparing
> >your ancestors for migration from nFS to the
> >Family Tree. As we get closer, I'll provide more details :-)
> >
> >Gaylon
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >
> >From: <mailto:tgwilliam47%40gmail.com>tgwilliam47@...
> >To: "AQ NFS" <<mailto:AQ_NFS%40yahoogroups.com>AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com>
>
> >Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:55:24 PM
> >Subject: [AQ_NFS] newFamilySearch to Family Tree
> >
> >The Church of Jesus Christ of Later-day Saints
> >is migrating from newFamilySearch to FamilyTree
> >and at some point in time newFamilySearch will
> >be replaced by FamilyTree. Is AQ in the process
> >of making changes to accommodate this migration
> >and if so will the group be able to help in the
> >Beta Testing and what might be that time frame?
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Stewart:

Thank you for mentioning the recorded sessions of RootsTech. For others, this is
the launch page to see those sessions:

http://rootstech.org/#video-player

As you stated in your 4th bullet item, I have understood that a FamilySearch
representative essentially said that for any given person in the nFS database,
the summary values would be preserved in Family Tree, but that other values
would be discarded. For example, if nFS shows three opin ions for a person's
birth as being:

12 June 1850 in Salt Lake City (Summary)
12 June 1850 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah
15 May 1850 in Boston, Massachusetts

then only the first of the above entries will survive, because it is the Summary
value. If the person happened to be born in Massachusetts, and the other two
entries were erroneous, then we will lose valuable information when nFS goes
away. I wonder if someone who attended RootsTech, or watched the videos, can
tell me which of the lectures covered such a discussion?

Thanks,

Gaylon


----- Original Message -----

From: "Stewart Millar" <stew999@...>
To: "AQ NFS" <AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 3:28:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AQ_NFS] newFamilySearch to Family Tree

Richard,

In case you have . . . do not confuse the "Family Tree" view in nFS with
the replacement product for nFS called "FamilySearch Family Tree" (FS FT).

FS FT is currently in beta test and beta testers (with an LDS account) can
be enrolled at

*https://familysearch.org/invite/familytree_tab


*once enrolled, access to FS FT becomes a menu option on
familysearch.orgafter log-in with your lds account (
familysearch.org will be used as a gateway to all familysearch services).

There is an accompanying pdf user guide by following the Help option in
familysearch.org.

* FS FT uses the live data in nFS. FS FT and cannot yet add in new
individuals or delete individuals, relationships or marriages - but can do
most everything else.

* FS FT gets rid of all the duplicates - using the "Summary" data from nFS
- all AF and PRF data has been returned to a new database of contributed
family trees searchable in familysearch.org.

* The ownership criteria for deleting or changing data has been removed -
replaced by a modification history and roll-back feature for any changes
made.

* Sources can now be specified with acceptable citations - albeit that the
old "PAF" methodology of combing a "source" with a "citation" has been
rolled together into a single source/citation description/id. Digital
source documents can now be attached (FS have indicated they are likely to
provide a hosting service for these - I have found the public folder option
in Dropbox to be an excellent and satisfactory way of doing this) -
provision is also there for describing your justification for using the
source and conclusions to be drawn - sources are applied to the individual
(at the moment) FS have indicated this may move to the event level; having
used it and as long as the use of the source is explained in the
justification, I can live with this and see it as a "tidying" feature.

* At the recent RootsTech conference in February Ron Tanner made an
entertaining and informative presentation about FS FT and the faults in nFS
- and stated that FS FT would replace nFS by the end of this year . . . and
be opened for the general public. Interestingly, while video recordings of
all the other presentations at Rootstech have been made available on the
internet, this one has not . . . my personal conspiracy theory is one of
censorship for being so frank and outspoken.

Clearly FS FT is going to present AQ (and others) with new interface
challenges . . . the work the AQ team are going to have to put into this is
going to be quite significant.

===Stewart


On 27 April 2012 08:01, Richard Rands <rrands@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi Galyon.
> Can you shed some light on Tom's comment that
> FamilySearch is migrating from nFS to Family
> Tree? It appears to me that Family Tree is just
> another view within nFS, and that by itself does
> not include provision for the genealogical and
> ordinance details about individuals, nor does it
> provide for family group views.
>
> Richard
>
>
> At 03:19 PM 4/26/2012, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >Tom:
> >
> >As FamilySearch provides the tools to affiliates
> >for working with the the Family Tree, we expect
> >Ancestral Quest to implement adjustments in a timely manner.
> >
> >We are nearing completion of AQ version 14. This
> >new version will have a few new general
> >features, but it will also have some new
> >features dealing with FamilySearch. One of these
> >is designed specifically to help with preparing
> >your ancestors for migration from nFS to the
> >Family Tree. As we get closer, I'll provide more details :-)
> >
> >Gaylon
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >
> >From: <mailto:tgwilliam47%40gmail.com>tgwilliam47@...
> >To: "AQ NFS" <<mailto:AQ_NFS%40yahoogroups.com>AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com>
>
> >Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:55:24 PM
> >Subject: [AQ_NFS] newFamilySearch to Family Tree
> >
> >The Church of Jesus Christ of Later-day Saints
> >is migrating from newFamilySearch to FamilyTree
> >and at some point in time newFamilySearch will
> >be replaced by FamilyTree. Is AQ in the process
> >of making changes to accommodate this migration
> >and if so will the group be able to help in the
> >Beta Testing and what might be that time frame?
> >
> >------------------------------------



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Gaylon,

Having watched most of the video broadcasts from RootsTech - whilst all
were interesting and absorbing, presenting a futuristic view of technical
help for the genealogist, I believe that the only presentation that covered
the nFS replacement was the appropriately titled session "Future of
FamilySearch Family Tree" by Ron Tanner which uniquely amongst the videoed
sessions is still reported on the RootsTech site as . . . "will be posted
at a later date" . . . very strange . . . . I am glad I was able to watch
it before it was taken off the site.

With regard to your point referring to possible lost valuable information
by adopting the nFS Summary data - the points made in the presentation (as
far as my memory recall!) were that (a) the incorporation of AF and PRF in
nFS was a mistake; (b) the AF and PRF data would now be taken out of nFS
and included with a new user contribution category of "contributed family
trees" - which will continue to be searchable via familysearch.org as part
of the research process - so that data (better data or bad data) would not
be lost. What I cannot recall being covered was the data from duplicated
temple submissions that may have been made; (c) any data added or changed
on FS FT should be supported using the new features for attaching source
documentation and statements of justification and conclusions - try to
swamp any other contributor who may be tempted to add non-sourced or
non-justified data; (d) whilst not in their plans at the moment for FS FT,
Ron stated he was looking at an improved notification system other than the
"Watch" feature (that is currently in FS FT), namely that if any other
contributor changes any data I have submitted, I would be notified
automatically; (e) a surprising announcement that FS FT would replace nFS
before the end of this year . . . and be open to the general public.

I can imagine some big changes need to the AQ interface for FS FT - I
certainly hope that you are being appropriately kept informed by
FamilySearch.

===Stewart


On 27 April 2012 17:03, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Stewart:
>
> Thank you for mentioning the recorded sessions of RootsTech. For others,
> this is the launch page to see those sessions:
>
> http://rootstech.org/#video-player
>
> As you stated in your 4th bullet item, I have understood that a
> FamilySearch representative essentially said that for any given person in
> the nFS database, the summary values would be preserved in Family Tree, but
> that other values would be discarded. For example, if nFS shows three opin
> ions for a person's birth as being:
>
> 12 June 1850 in Salt Lake City (Summary)
> 12 June 1850 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah
> 15 May 1850 in Boston, Massachusetts
>
> then only the first of the above entries will survive, because it is the
> Summary value. If the person happened to be born in Massachusetts, and the
> other two entries were erroneous, then we will lose valuable information
> when nFS goes away. I wonder if someone who attended RootsTech, or watched
> the videos, can tell me which of the lectures covered such a discussion?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gaylon
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

While working with nFS this last few days I came upon a contributor's name,
followed by several numbers that had changed data, with the currant date. (The
same day I was visiting the entry.) Sometimes the corrections were right, other
times they were wrong.

Any idea what this is about?

Anyone have any idea of how to remove children from a family?


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

nFS will "soon" be replaced by FamilySearch Family Tree.  It will have a
wiki-like model in that (1) anyone can make changes; (2) persons who make
changes can record why and provide a source record for those changes;  (3) a
record is kept of changes made and who made those changes; (4) a roll-back to a
previous value can be made.

What you are seeing is the system establishing a base-line for the roll-out of
Family Tree for the summary values.  If you think it is wrong, you should set a
value for the summary.  Then your value will be the basis for what will show in
Family Tree.

Actually all members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints can get
access to Family Tree now.  Send a request to support@... and you
will be given a link to get permanent access.  After that, Family Tree will then
appear as a tab in the header if you have signed in.

Merlin Kitchen

____________________________________________________________
The New "Skinny" Fruit
How This Strange 62-Cent African Fruit Is Making Americans Skinny.
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f9ff3363349ec4430ast05vuc

Yes, we get a lot of questions about that. Some of them are rather
dramatic. "It says that the information was changed today by
dorisandersonwolf765745654, and I know she has been dead for 5 years! How
could that be possible?"

The problem is that what is being displayed is not what is really
happening. As the engineers are preparing for the production version of the
FamilySearch Family Tree (FS FT), each record requires a list of all
changes, and each "change log" needs a starting date. So the system is
going through all of the fields in all of the records and selecting a
contributor (who may be dead now, but contributed this record to one of the
legacy databases that became the original version of nFS) and selecting the
date the computer made that selection (which may be today).

So, just ignore these puzzling references to changes. Make sure that the
Summary data is as accurate and complete as possible, because that is the
only data that will be brought into the production version of FS FT.
(Sources will come in too, but not necessarily in the present nFS format.)
Note that FS FT is built around a different model than nFS. There will be
no combined records. (e.g. Instead of 1000 records for Charlemagne there
will be 1 record for him. If another record is found for him, the two
records will be MERGED like in AQ or PAF, and one record will be deleted.
In the end Charlemagne will have 1 record, like everyone else.)

--

Bill Buchanan
website: http://billbuchanan.byethost17.com
blog: http://billbuchanan.blogspot.com

On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Cleadie B <cleadieb@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> While working with nFS this last few days I came upon a contributor's
> name, followed by several numbers that had changed data, with the currant
> date. (The same day I was visiting the entry.) Sometimes the corrections
> were right, other times they were wrong.
>
> Any idea what this is about?
>
> Anyone have any idea of how to remove children from a family?
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks for the reply. I have been trying to get the proofs on my pedigree line
families, so hopefully things will not be too mixed up when things get moved.
Still have a few bugs to work out. :-)

I have been registered with the FT site for some months, but have yet to see a
link to it from my nFS page that I recognize. Maybe I am just not seeing it.

Cleadie B


--- On Tue, 5/1/12, mkitchen@... <mkitchen@...> wrote:

From: mkitchen@... <mkitchen@...>
Subject: [AQ_NFS] Re: Two questions
To: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com
Received: Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 11:28 AM
















 









       nFS will "soon" be replaced by FamilySearch Family Tree.  It will have a
wiki-like model in that (1) anyone can make changes; (2) persons who make
changes can record why and provide a source record for those changes;  (3) a
record is kept of changes made and who made those changes; (4) a roll-back to a
previous value can be made.



What you are seeing is the system establishing a base-line for the roll-out of
Family Tree for the summary values.  If you think it is wrong, you should set a
value for the summary.  Then your value will be the basis for what will show in
Family Tree.



Actually all members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints can get
access to Family Tree now.  Send a request to support@... and you
will be given a link to get permanent access.  After that, Family Tree will then
appear as a tab in the header if you have signed in.



Merlin Kitchen



__________________________________________________________

The New "Skinny" Fruit

How This Strange 62-Cent African Fruit Is Making Americans Skinny.

http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f9ff3363349ec4430ast05vuc

























[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The link to FamilyTree will be on the FamilySe4arch site not the nFS site.
it should be up with everything else at the top.

Miles Meyer



On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Cleadie B <cleadieb@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
>
> Thanks for the reply. I have been trying to get the proofs on my pedigree
> line families, so hopefully things will not be too mixed up when things get
> moved. Still have a few bugs to work out. :-)
>
> I have been registered with the FT site for some months, but have yet to
> see a link to it from my nFS page that I recognize. Maybe I am just not
> seeing it.
>
> Cleadie B
>
> --- On Tue, 5/1/12, mkitchen@... <mkitchen@...> wrote:
>
> From: mkitchen@... <mkitchen@...>
> Subject: [AQ_NFS] Re: Two questions
> To: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 11:28 AM
>
>
>
> nFS will "soon" be replaced by FamilySearch Family Tree. It will have a
> wiki-like model in that (1) anyone can make changes; (2) persons who make
> changes can record why and provide a source record for those changes; (3) a
> record is kept of changes made and who made those changes; (4) a roll-back
> to a previous value can be made.
>
> What you are seeing is the system establishing a base-line for the
> roll-out of Family Tree for the summary values. If you think it is wrong,
> you should set a value for the summary. Then your value will be the basis
> for what will show in Family Tree.
>
> Actually all members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
> can get access to Family Tree now. Send a request to
> support@... and you will be given a link to get permanent
> access. After that, Family Tree will then appear as a tab in the header if
> you have signed in.
>
> Merlin Kitchen
>
> __________________________________________________________
>
> The New "Skinny" Fruit
>
> How This Strange 62-Cent African Fruit Is Making Americans Skinny.
>
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f9ff3363349ec4430ast05vuc
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks for the reply. I had a hunch that this might have been caused by them
messing around in preparation for the move. Not too sure what will happen if I
change things to reflect what I can prove is correct. Hopefully I will not have
to go back over things once everything is just FT.

I will be glad when they remove all the files donated outside the Temple data.
This has been one of my biggest problems. A long time ago i traded data with
another researcher, warning my file was only a starting point and needed a lot
more research, which I eventually did. However when nFS got on the way my old
file had been submitted (errors and all) by this researcher. ;-(

Cleadie B




--- On Tue, 5/1/12, Bill Buchanan <genealogistbuchanan@...> wrote:

From: Bill Buchanan <genealogistbuchanan@...>
Subject: Re: [AQ_NFS] Two questions
To: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com
Received: Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 12:47 PM

Yes, we get a lot of questions about that. Some of them are rather
dramatic. "It says that the information was changed today by
dorisandersonwolf765745654, and I know she has been dead for 5 years! How
could that be possible?"

The problem is that what is being displayed is not what is really
happening. As the engineers are preparing for the production version of the
FamilySearch Family Tree (FS FT), each record requires a list of all
changes, and each "change log" needs a starting date. So the system is
going through all of the fields in all of the records and selecting a
contributor (who may be dead now, but contributed this record to one of the
legacy databases that became the original version of nFS) and selecting the
date the computer made that selection (which may be today).

So, just ignore these puzzling references to changes. Make sure that the
Summary data is as accurate and complete as possible, because that is the
only data that will be brought into the production version of FS FT.
(Sources will come in too, but not necessarily in the present nFS format.)
Note that FS FT is built around a different model than nFS. There will be
no combined records. (e.g. Instead of 1000 records for Charlemagne there
will be 1 record for him. If another record is found for him, the two
records will be MERGED like in AQ or PAF, and one record will be deleted.
In the end Charlemagne will have 1 record, like everyone else.)

--

Bill Buchanan
website: http://billbuchanan.byethost17.com
blog: http://billbuchanan.blogspot.com

On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Cleadie B <cleadieb@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> While working with nFS this last few days I came upon a contributor's
> name, followed by several numbers that had changed data, with the currant
> date. (The same day I was visiting the entry.) Sometimes the corrections
> were right, other times they were wrong.
>
> Any idea what this is about?
>
> Anyone have any idea of how to remove children from a family?
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks - I will see if I can locate it. I thought it would be on the nFS page.

Cleadie B

--- On Tue, 5/1/12, Miles Meyer <milesmeyer@...> wrote:

From: Miles Meyer <milesmeyer@...>
Subject: Re: [AQ_NFS] Re: Two questions
To: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com
Received: Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 4:11 PM

The link to FamilyTree will be on the FamilySe4arch site not the nFS site.
it should be up with everything else at the top.

Miles Meyer



On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Cleadie B <cleadieb@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
>
> Thanks for the reply. I have been trying to get the proofs on my pedigree
> line families, so hopefully things will not be too mixed up when things get
> moved. Still have a few bugs to work out. :-)
>
> I have been registered with the FT site for some months, but have yet to
> see a link to it from my nFS page that I recognize. Maybe I am just not
> seeing it.
>
> Cleadie B
>
> --- On Tue, 5/1/12, mkitchen@... <mkitchen@...> wrote:
>
> From: mkitchen@... <mkitchen@...>
> Subject: [AQ_NFS] Re: Two questions
> To: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 11:28 AM
>
>
>
> nFS will "soon" be replaced by FamilySearch Family Tree. It will have a
> wiki-like model in that (1) anyone can make changes; (2) persons who make
> changes can record why and provide a source record for those changes; (3) a
> record is kept of changes made and who made those changes; (4) a roll-back
> to a previous value can be made.
>
> What you are seeing is the system establishing a base-line for the
> roll-out of Family Tree for the summary values. If you think it is wrong,
> you should set a value for the summary. Then your value will be the basis
> for what will show in Family Tree.
>
> Actually all members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
> can get access to Family Tree now. Send a request to
> support@... and you will be given a link to get permanent
> access. After that, Family Tree will then appear as a tab in the header if
> you have signed in.
>
> Merlin Kitchen
>
> __________________________________________________________
>
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>
> How This Strange 62-Cent African Fruit Is Making Americans Skinny.
>
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If you have been given access to FSFT, when you are signed in
FamilySearch.org you will see a new item called "Family Tree" in the top
menu, between the FamilySearch logo and "Learn".

If it does not appear and your DO have access to nFS use this URL to be
granted access https://www.familysearch.org/invite/familytree_tab.

In the future, to use the Family Tree, simply go to
http://www.familysearch.org/, and sign in. If you don't see the Family Tree
option, make sure that you have signed in.

(from Knowledge Document ID: 113041)

Remember that this is not yet the production version of FSFT, so most
features are still missing. But the data is real, so it is not a true "beta
test". Don't add fake data or make whimsical changes just to see if you can
do them.

--
Bill Buchanan
website: http://billbuchanan.byethost17.com
blog: http://billbuchanan.blogspot.com





On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Cleadie B <cleadieb@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Thanks - I will see if I can locate it. I thought it would be on the nFS
> page.
>
> Cleadie B
>
> --- On Tue, 5/1/12, Miles Meyer <milesmeyer@...> wrote:
>
> From: Miles Meyer <milesmeyer@...>
> Subject: Re: [AQ_NFS] Re: Two questions
> To: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 4:11 PM
>
>
> The link to FamilyTree will be on the FamilySe4arch site not the nFS site.
> it should be up with everything else at the top.
>
> Miles Meyer
>
> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Cleadie B <cleadieb@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the reply. I have been trying to get the proofs on my pedigree
> > line families, so hopefully things will not be too mixed up when things
> get
> > moved. Still have a few bugs to work out. :-)
> >
> > I have been registered with the FT site for some months, but have yet to
> > see a link to it from my nFS page that I recognize. Maybe I am just not
> > seeing it.
> >
> > Cleadie B
> >
> > --- On Tue, 5/1/12, mkitchen@... <mkitchen@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: mkitchen@... <mkitchen@...>
> > Subject: [AQ_NFS] Re: Two questions
> > To: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com
> > Received: Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 11:28 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > nFS will "soon" be replaced by FamilySearch Family Tree. It will have a
> > wiki-like model in that (1) anyone can make changes; (2) persons who make
> > changes can record why and provide a source record for those changes;
> (3) a
> > record is kept of changes made and who made those changes; (4) a
> roll-back
> > to a previous value can be made.
> >
> > What you are seeing is the system establishing a base-line for the
> > roll-out of Family Tree for the summary values. If you think it is wrong,
> > you should set a value for the summary. Then your value will be the basis
> > for what will show in Family Tree.
> >
> > Actually all members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
> > can get access to Family Tree now. Send a request to
> > support@... and you will be given a link to get permanent
> > access. After that, Family Tree will then appear as a tab in the header
> if
> > you have signed in.
> >
> > Merlin Kitchen
> >
> >
>


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Dear Gaylon,

I would love AQ to have a way of scaling all fonts throughout the program by a
set %.

This would make it much easier for me to find fonts I can read, at my age, on
the particular computer I am on, with the reading distance I am at.

I would not have to go through every option.

Maybe a tick box that allowed me to scale all fonts together. Then those who
want to customise particular parts of the program still could by having the box
unticked.

Please consider. Thank you.

Cheers,

Ken

Dear Gaylon,

I would love two Internet Search Buttons on the ICON toolbar in the main part of
the program.

I would also like to see the same buttons repeated on the "Link (Sync) with
FamilySearch" screen.

In the "Link (Sync) with FamilySearch" you already have a button to go directly
to nFS to view possibe matches in nFS. Biggest problem is I have been
interfacing with nFS through AQ for so long I have forgotten my logon name and
passwords.

While in the "Link (Sync) with FamilySearch" screen I want the ability to check
MY PERSON against other databases available on the Internet. Every so often I um
and ar about matches and need 2nd and 3rd opinions. More information from other
sources.

MAKE THE BUTTONS A DIFFERENT COLOUR TO EACH OTHER.

Please consider.

Thank you.

Cheers,

Ken

All:

We expect to release AQ 14 for beta testing this weekend.

If you would like to participate in testing the new features, we ask
that you join a group, through which we can send instructions and
receive feedback.

Please send a message to this address to sign up:

AQBeta-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

The new features of AQ 14 are:

*** General Features ***

Research Timeline view and report
Color Coding of family lines, or for any selected group
Tags to visually mark individuals and groups for any purpose (like
medical tracking, etc.)
Fan Chart enhancements: 4-color and list of children in root family

*** FamilySearch Features ***

Discussions
Set Summary Values

*** LDS Specific Features ***

Update LDS Ordinances more easily

When I first entered data about marriage certificates, all I had found was info
from an index. Since then the actual image of the certificates have come online.
I downloaded a number of these images over the past few weeks, and added a few
that never had the original index text.

I made a list of those that did not have the text as I went along, so I could
get the text later. I am afraid I may have forgotten to list a few. Now I would
now like to check to make sure there are no certificates attached to that source
that DO NOT contain the text (index listing which contains data about where it
is files, etc.).

Using the Advanced Focus I can only identify 6 entries with the title "New
Brunswick Marriage Certificates" I know there are 298 with the attachments, and
perhaps as many, if not more that do not have anything but the index.

Searching on "Name" brings up no entries, "Title" brought up only 6 entries.(
This is just trying to get a total list of that one source, without trying to
separate those with defined criteria.)

WHY are the rest not being identified? Is there some other identifier I should
be using?

Cleadie B



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I hope I am understanding what you are try to do. If this isn't right just
ignore it.

When I want to see what citations there are for a source I would choose the
source "New Brunswick Marriage Certificates" from the source list under
Edit.  Then I would click on the Citations button at the bottom of the
window. Then you can see all the entries where this source is cited. In the
box on the right hand side of the window you can see if there is anything
attached to the citation and the name of the entry.

(This is one of the greatest features of AQ) I really like the way it
handles sources and citations.

Hope this helps.

Margaret

-----Original Message-----
From: Cleadie B
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 7:13 AM
To: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AQ_NFS] Advanced Focus

When I first entered data about marriage certificates, all I had found was
info from an index. Since then the actual image of the certificates have
come online. I downloaded a number of these images over the past few weeks,
and added a few that never had the original index text.

I made a list of those that did not have the text as I went along, so I
could get the text later. I am afraid I may have forgotten to list a few.
Now I would now like to check to make sure there are no certificates
attached to that source that DO NOT contain the text (index listing which
contains data about where it is files, etc.).

Using the Advanced Focus I can only identify 6 entries with the title "New
Brunswick Marriage Certificates" I know there are 298 with the attachments,
and perhaps as many, if not more that do not have anything but the index.

Searching on "Name" brings up no entries, "Title" brought up only 6
entries.( This is just trying to get a total list of that one source,
without trying to separate those with defined criteria.)

WHY are the rest not being identified? Is there some other identifier I
should be using?

Cleadie B



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Hi Stewart,

http://www.rootstech.org/videos#video-player

The video is available now. I am currently watching it.

Cheers,

Ken

--- In AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com, Stewart Millar <stew999@...> wrote:
>
> Gaylon,
>
> Having watched most of the video broadcasts from RootsTech - whilst all
> were interesting and absorbing, presenting a futuristic view of technical
> help for the genealogist, I believe that the only presentation that covered
> the nFS replacement was the appropriately titled session "Future of
> FamilySearch Family Tree" by Ron Tanner which uniquely amongst the videoed
> sessions is still reported on the RootsTech site as . . . "will be posted
> at a later date" . . . very strange . . . . I am glad I was able to watch
> it before it was taken off the site.
>
> With regard to your point referring to possible lost valuable information
> by adopting the nFS Summary data - the points made in the presentation (as
> far as my memory recall!) were that (a) the incorporation of AF and PRF in
> nFS was a mistake; (b) the AF and PRF data would now be taken out of nFS
> and included with a new user contribution category of "contributed family
> trees" - which will continue to be searchable via familysearch.org as part
> of the research process - so that data (better data or bad data) would not
> be lost. What I cannot recall being covered was the data from duplicated
> temple submissions that may have been made; (c) any data added or changed
> on FS FT should be supported using the new features for attaching source
> documentation and statements of justification and conclusions - try to
> swamp any other contributor who may be tempted to add non-sourced or
> non-justified data; (d) whilst not in their plans at the moment for FS FT,
> Ron stated he was looking at an improved notification system other than the
> "Watch" feature (that is currently in FS FT), namely that if any other
> contributor changes any data I have submitted, I would be notified
> automatically; (e) a surprising announcement that FS FT would replace nFS
> before the end of this year . . . and be open to the general public.
>
> I can imagine some big changes need to the AQ interface for FS FT - I
> certainly hope that you are being appropriately kept informed by
> FamilySearch.
>
> ===Stewart
>
>
> On 27 April 2012 17:03, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Stewart:
> >
> > Thank you for mentioning the recorded sessions of RootsTech. For others,
> > this is the launch page to see those sessions:
> >
> > http://rootstech.org/#video-player
> >
> > As you stated in your 4th bullet item, I have understood that a
> > FamilySearch representative essentially said that for any given person in
> > the nFS database, the summary values would be preserved in Family Tree, but
> > that other values would be discarded. For example, if nFS shows three opin
> > ions for a person's birth as being:
> >
> > 12 June 1850 in Salt Lake City (Summary)
> > 12 June 1850 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah
> > 15 May 1850 in Boston, Massachusetts
> >
> > then only the first of the above entries will survive, because it is the
> > Summary value. If the person happened to be born in Massachusetts, and the
> > other two entries were erroneous, then we will lose valuable information
> > when nFS goes away. I wonder if someone who attended RootsTech, or watched
> > the videos, can tell me which of the lectures covered such a discussion?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gaylon
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hello Margaret,

Thanks for responding. I was accually trying to use Advance Search to isolate
all the individuals with that source, so that I could check them. The way you
suggested is far better. Although I had edited source names before, I ignored
the other buttons.

What you suggested gives me all the data without opening each one individually.
The only item I am not clear on, is the Link* which are indexed as either B or
E. I can't see anything in the help file to explain this.

Thanks again. Cleadie B

PS - Still haven't figured out why Advanced  Search only picked up 6 entries of
the hundreds that in in my data base, :-(


--- On Thu, 6/7/12, Margaret Thompson <megann-fh@...> wrote:

From: Margaret Thompson <megann-fh@...>
Subject: Re: [AQ_NFS] Advanced Focus
To: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com
Received: Thursday, June 7, 2012, 5:29 PM
















 









       I hope I am understanding what you are try to do. If this isn't right just

ignore it.



When I want to see what citations there are for a source I would choose the

source "New Brunswick Marriage Certificates" from the source list under

Edit.  Then I would click on the Citations button at the bottom of the

window. Then you can see all the entries where this source is cited. In the

box on the right hand side of the window you can see if there is anything

attached to the citation and the name of the entry.



(This is one of the greatest features of AQ) I really like the way it

handles sources and citations.



Hope this helps.



Margaret



-----Original Message-----

From: Cleadie B

Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 7:13 AM

To: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [AQ_NFS] Advanced Focus



When I first entered data about marriage certificates, all I had found was

info from an index. Since then the actual image of the certificates have

come online. I downloaded a number of these images over the past few weeks,

and added a few that never had the original index text.



I made a list of those that did not have the text as I went along, so I

could get the text later. I am afraid I may have forgotten to list a few.

Now I would now like to check to make sure there are no certificates

attached to that source that DO NOT contain the text (index listing which

contains data about where it is files, etc.).



Using the Advanced Focus I can only identify 6 entries with the title "New

Brunswick Marriage Certificates" I know there are 298 with the attachments,

and perhaps as many, if not more that do not have anything but the index.



Searching on "Name" brings up no entries, "Title" brought up only 6

entries.( This is just trying to get a total list of that one source,

without trying to separate those with defined criteria.)



WHY are the rest not being identified? Is there some other identifier I

should be using?



Cleadie B



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I discovered in the FOR ADDITIONAL HELP, visit Help Center

that I was taken to a page that also listed information on Family Tree.

There is a PDF that tells you how to register to beta test.

http://broadcast.lds.org/eLearning/fhd/Community/en/FamilySearch/FamilyTree/pdf/\
familyTreeAccess.pdf

it tells you to go to

http://www.familysearch.org/invite/familytree_tab

and follow the prompts.

Now when I try this it automatically puts me straight into Family Search Family
Tree. No screen comes up for me to register.

I can only assume it is because I have been a beta tester a number of times in
the past. Though not a current tester. Nevertheless it means I have to log into
nFS and the paste the link to enter Family Search Family Tree.

It appears all my lines are correct on what I have checked.

Any idea why I did not get a register screen as the PDF said I should?

I would love to be able to work with Family Tree directly through AQ.

Incidentally I have forgotten my password. My browser remembers my password but
does not show it. So I still get in.

Just lately so many organisations have asked me to change passwords that I have
forgotten what is what. I'll have to work out how to get my password.

Cheers,

Ken

Ken,

When you sign-in familysearch.org, do you see the Family Tree link just to
the right of the FamilySearch logo? You will, if you are registered to use
the Family Tree beta. This is a beta test of the new features, but uses the
same live data as nFS. i.e. changing information here will also change it
in nFS except for those features missing from nFS.

Bill Buchanan
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 3:59 AM, Ken Doyle <kendoyle179@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I discovered in the FOR ADDITIONAL HELP, visit Help Center
>
> that I was taken to a page that also listed information on Family Tree.
>
> There is a PDF that tells you how to register to beta test.
>
>
>
http://broadcast.lds.org/eLearning/fhd/Community/en/FamilySearch/FamilyTree/pdf/\
familyTreeAccess.pdf
>
> it tells you to go to
>
> http://www.familysearch.org/invite/familytree_tab
>
> and follow the prompts.
>
> Now when I try this it automatically puts me straight into Family Search
> Family Tree. No screen comes up for me to register.
>
> I can only assume it is because I have been a beta tester a number of
> times in the past. Though not a current tester. Nevertheless it means I
> have to log into nFS and the paste the link to enter Family Search Family
> Tree.
>
> It appears all my lines are correct on what I have checked.
>
> Any idea why I did not get a register screen as the PDF said I should?
>
> I would love to be able to work with Family Tree directly through AQ.
>
> Incidentally I have forgotten my password. My browser remembers my
> password but does not show it. So I still get in.
>
> Just lately so many organisations have asked me to change passwords that I
> have forgotten what is what. I'll have to work out how to get my password.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ken
>
>


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Dear Bill,

No I don't see the Family Tree link.

Nevertheless I can get in by:

https://www.familysearch.org/invite/familytree_tab

and just signing in.

Or I can get there by going to the PDF that instructs you how to register and
clicking on the link. If I am already in nFS it automatically opens up in Family
Tree. No log on needed.

I will send you an image separate that shows the two websites side by side on
different monitors.

I have been a beta tester in the past. Was recently emailed and asked to
participate again. But I did not realise they were using live data. Otherwise I
may have volunteered. So busy I need to make all my time count. So I don't
always have time to do things that I will subsequently throw away - dead data.

I hope AQ had the information to Sync with Family Trees soon. I don't like doing
things twice.

Wonder how we are going to add sources through AQ?

Wonder if FT will accept PDFs. I put most of my stuff into PDFs rather than
JPGs. I can scan direct to PDF. I find them easier to view.

Cheers,

Ken

--- In AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com, Bill Buchanan <genealogistbuchanan@...> wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
> When you sign-in familysearch.org, do you see the Family Tree link just to
> the right of the FamilySearch logo? You will, if you are registered to use
> the Family Tree beta. This is a beta test of the new features, but uses the
> same live data as nFS. i.e. changing information here will also change it
> in nFS except for those features missing from nFS.
>
> Bill Buchanan
> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 3:59 AM, Ken Doyle <kendoyle179@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > I discovered in the FOR ADDITIONAL HELP, visit Help Center
> >
> > that I was taken to a page that also listed information on Family Tree.
> >
> > There is a PDF that tells you how to register to beta test.
> >
> >
> >
http://broadcast.lds.org/eLearning/fhd/Community/en/FamilySearch/FamilyTree/pdf/\
familyTreeAccess.pdf
> >
> > it tells you to go to
> >
> > http://www.familysearch.org/invite/familytree_tab
> >
> > and follow the prompts.
> >
> > Now when I try this it automatically puts me straight into Family Search
> > Family Tree. No screen comes up for me to register.
> >
> > I can only assume it is because I have been a beta tester a number of
> > times in the past. Though not a current tester. Nevertheless it means I
> > have to log into nFS and the paste the link to enter Family Search Family
> > Tree.
> >
> > It appears all my lines are correct on what I have checked.
> >
> > Any idea why I did not get a register screen as the PDF said I should?
> >
> > I would love to be able to work with Family Tree directly through AQ.
> >
> > Incidentally I have forgotten my password. My browser remembers my
> > password but does not show it. So I still get in.
> >
> > Just lately so many organisations have asked me to change passwords that I
> > have forgotten what is what. I'll have to work out how to get my password.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Ken - when in nFS do not confuse the "Family Tree" view with the completely
different "Family Search Family Tree".

===Stewart


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Hi Stewart,

I am not confused. If you send me an email address via this forum email system
(outside these messages) I will send you an image that shows two of my five
monitors. On one is Family Tree and on the other is new Family Search. I can
have both open at the same time.

I cannot attach to this group an image or I would to show you.

Having played with Family Tree, added information etc. I still prefer to
interface with Ancestral Quest. I know currently this is with nFS but it will
change.

I prefer to enter the data once and then sync to nFS and soon FT. So I am not in
a hurry to continue with Family Tree.

What I hope is we can selectively add sources and possibly edit them before they
are sync. I don't mean edit on my hard drive. I mean edit a temporary version we
are about to upload.

Sometimes I may have notes in my sources I won't want to make public. Maybe
thoughts of quality and other research ideas to get a more exact date.

Also I record all sources. I may have several sources for the same event. Then
gradually I will choose what I think is right or "rightest".

For example a Census is an approximate calculated date. A Birth Certificate is
an exact date. I may find the census before I order the birth certificate. So I
may only want to upload to Family Tree the Birth Certificate and forget the
census data, family letters etc.

Stewart I definitely can see both Family Tree and new Family Search.

Cheers,

Ken

--- In AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com, Stewart Millar <stew999@...> wrote:
>
> Ken - when in nFS do not confuse the "Family Tree" view with the completely
> different "Family Search Family Tree".
>
> ===Stewart
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Ken,

When I sign in at FS, it adds a Family Tree link to the top menu of the
home page.

I followed this process:
Sign up to use the Family Tree:
Go to https://www.familysearch.org/invite/familytree_tab.
Enter the user name and password of your LDS Account.
Click Sign In. You will be taken to familysearch.org, where you will be
signed in and see a Family Tree link next to the FamilySearch logo.
To see your tree, click the Family Tree link. This link is located in the
upper-left corner of the screen, next to the FamilySearch logo.
In the future, to use the Family Tree, simply go to
http://www.familysearch.org/, and sign in. If you don't see the Family Tree
option, make sure that you have signed in.

[from Document ID: 113041]

FSFT doesn't presently allow us to upload images or other documents. But it
does allow us to add the URL of an image stored on some other website, e.g.
Flickr or Picasa. Clicking the link in FSFT opens the URL. A few weeks ago
one of the engineers gave us some training on FSFT and said that they plan
to eventually add the ability to upload and store images directly in FSFT.
He was questioned about the vast amount of storage this would require. His
answer was that they are presently uploading millions of page images from
other collections every week, and he didn't think adding a few million more
as a FSFT Source collection would be any problem. I suspect he is right.

This morning, I just added the URL of a 93-page book (not just an image) in
PDF format as a source for Andrew Buchanan K631-ND2 in FSFT. When you
view Andrew's sources, it is the one called "Bill's Buchanans and Watsons -
2007" Check it out. I think PDF works amazingly well!

Bill Buchanan
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 1:35 AM, Ken Doyle <kendoyle179@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Dear Bill,
>
> No I don't see the Family Tree link.
>
> Nevertheless I can get in by:
>
> https://www.familysearch.org/invite/familytree_tab
>
> and just signing in.
>
> Or I can get there by going to the PDF that instructs you how to register
> and clicking on the link. If I am already in nFS it automatically opens up
> in Family Tree. No log on needed.
>
> I will send you an image separate that shows the two websites side by side
> on different monitors.
>
> I have been a beta tester in the past. Was recently emailed and asked to
> participate again. But I did not realise they were using live data.
> Otherwise I may have volunteered. So busy I need to make all my time count.
> So I don't always have time to do things that I will subsequently throw
> away - dead data.
>
> I hope AQ had the information to Sync with Family Trees soon. I don't like
> doing things twice.
>
> Wonder how we are going to add sources through AQ?
>
> Wonder if FT will accept PDFs. I put most of my stuff into PDFs rather
> than JPGs. I can scan direct to PDF. I find them easier to view.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ken
>
>
> --- In AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com, Bill Buchanan <genealogistbuchanan@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ken,
> >
> > When you sign-in familysearch.org, do you see the Family Tree link just
> to
> > the right of the FamilySearch logo? You will, if you are registered to
> use
> > the Family Tree beta. This is a beta test of the new features, but uses
> the
> > same live data as nFS. i.e. changing information here will also change it
> > in nFS except for those features missing from nFS.
> >
> > Bill Buchanan
> > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 3:59 AM, Ken Doyle <kendoyle179@...> wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > I discovered in the FOR ADDITIONAL HELP, visit Help Center
> > >
> > > that I was taken to a page that also listed information on Family Tree.
> > >
> > > There is a PDF that tells you how to register to beta test.
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
http://broadcast.lds.org/eLearning/fhd/Community/en/FamilySearch/FamilyTree/pdf/\
familyTreeAccess.pdf
> > >
> > > it tells you to go to
> > >
> > > http://www.familysearch.org/invite/familytree_tab
> > >
> > > and follow the prompts.
> > >
> > > Now when I try this it automatically puts me straight into Family
> Search
> > > Family Tree. No screen comes up for me to register.
> > >
> > > I can only assume it is because I have been a beta tester a number of
> > > times in the past. Though not a current tester. Nevertheless it means I
> > > have to log into nFS and the paste the link to enter Family Search
> Family
> > > Tree.
> > >
> > > It appears all my lines are correct on what I have checked.
> > >
> > > Any idea why I did not get a register screen as the PDF said I should?
> > >
> > > I would love to be able to work with Family Tree directly through AQ.
> > >
> > > Incidentally I have forgotten my password. My browser remembers my
> > > password but does not show it. So I still get in.
> > >
> > > Just lately so many organisations have asked me to change passwords
> that I
> > > have forgotten what is what. I'll have to work out how to get my
> password.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
>


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Dear Bill,

Thank you for that demonstration of a PDF in action.

I have tried emailing you some images of Family Tree to the email address given
on page 3 of the PDF.

Citation
This record was created by me and exists on my computer and my website.
Notes
The adventures of my ancestors' families. I think you will find it interesting
reading stories about our ancestors. (93 pages in Adobe PDF format)

Modified
13 June 2012byBill Buchanan

But will try by your other email address that is in FT.

Cheers,

Ken

--- In AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com, Bill Buchanan <genealogistbuchanan@...> wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
> When I sign in at FS, it adds a Family Tree link to the top menu of the
> home page.
>
> I followed this process:
> Sign up to use the Family Tree:
> Go to https://www.familysearch.org/invite/familytree_tab.
> Enter the user name and password of your LDS Account.
> Click Sign In. You will be taken to familysearch.org, where you will be
> signed in and see a Family Tree link next to the FamilySearch logo.
> To see your tree, click the Family Tree link. This link is located in the
> upper-left corner of the screen, next to the FamilySearch logo.
> In the future, to use the Family Tree, simply go to
> http://www.familysearch.org/, and sign in. If you don't see the Family Tree
> option, make sure that you have signed in.
>
> [from Document ID: 113041]
>
> FSFT doesn't presently allow us to upload images or other documents. But it
> does allow us to add the URL of an image stored on some other website, e.g.
> Flickr or Picasa. Clicking the link in FSFT opens the URL. A few weeks ago
> one of the engineers gave us some training on FSFT and said that they plan
> to eventually add the ability to upload and store images directly in FSFT.
> He was questioned about the vast amount of storage this would require. His
> answer was that they are presently uploading millions of page images from
> other collections every week, and he didn't think adding a few million more
> as a FSFT Source collection would be any problem. I suspect he is right.
>
> This morning, I just added the URL of a 93-page book (not just an image) in
> PDF format as a source for Andrew Buchanan K631-ND2 in FSFT. When you
> view Andrew's sources, it is the one called "Bill's Buchanans and Watsons -
> 2007" Check it out. I think PDF works amazingly well!
>
> Bill Buchanan
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 1:35 AM, Ken Doyle <kendoyle179@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Dear Bill,
> >
> > No I don't see the Family Tree link.
> >
> > Nevertheless I can get in by:
> >
> > https://www.familysearch.org/invite/familytree_tab
> >
> > and just signing in.
> >
> > Or I can get there by going to the PDF that instructs you how to register
> > and clicking on the link. If I am already in nFS it automatically opens up
> > in Family Tree. No log on needed.
> >
> > I will send you an image separate that shows the two websites side by side
> > on different monitors.
> >
> > I have been a beta tester in the past. Was recently emailed and asked to
> > participate again. But I did not realise they were using live data.
> > Otherwise I may have volunteered. So busy I need to make all my time count.
> > So I don't always have time to do things that I will subsequently throw
> > away - dead data.
> >
> > I hope AQ had the information to Sync with Family Trees soon. I don't like
> > doing things twice.
> >
> > Wonder how we are going to add sources through AQ?
> >
> > Wonder if FT will accept PDFs. I put most of my stuff into PDFs rather
> > than JPGs. I can scan direct to PDF. I find them easier to view.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> > --- In AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com, Bill Buchanan <genealogistbuchanan@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Ken,
> > >
> > > When you sign-in familysearch.org, do you see the Family Tree link just
> > to
> > > the right of the FamilySearch logo? You will, if you are registered to
> > use
> > > the Family Tree beta. This is a beta test of the new features, but uses
> > the
> > > same live data as nFS. i.e. changing information here will also change it
> > > in nFS except for those features missing from nFS.
> > >
> > > Bill Buchanan
> > > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 3:59 AM, Ken Doyle <kendoyle179@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I discovered in the FOR ADDITIONAL HELP, visit Help Center
> > > >
> > > > that I was taken to a page that also listed information on Family Tree.
> > > >
> > > > There is a PDF that tells you how to register to beta test.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
http://broadcast.lds.org/eLearning/fhd/Community/en/FamilySearch/FamilyTree/pdf/\
familyTreeAccess.pdf
> > > >
> > > > it tells you to go to
> > > >
> > > > http://www.familysearch.org/invite/familytree_tab
> > > >
> > > > and follow the prompts.
> > > >
> > > > Now when I try this it automatically puts me straight into Family
> > Search
> > > > Family Tree. No screen comes up for me to register.
> > > >
> > > > I can only assume it is because I have been a beta tester a number of
> > > > times in the past. Though not a current tester. Nevertheless it means I
> > > > have to log into nFS and the paste the link to enter Family Search
> > Family
> > > > Tree.
> > > >
> > > > It appears all my lines are correct on what I have checked.
> > > >
> > > > Any idea why I did not get a register screen as the PDF said I should?
> > > >
> > > > I would love to be able to work with Family Tree directly through AQ.
> > > >
> > > > Incidentally I have forgotten my password. My browser remembers my
> > > > password but does not show it. So I still get in.
> > > >
> > > > Just lately so many organisations have asked me to change passwords
> > that I
> > > > have forgotten what is what. I'll have to work out how to get my
> > password.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Ken
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

See interactive responses, below:

On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 07:35:56 -0000, you wrote:

>Nevertheless I can get in by:
>https://www.familysearch.org/invite/familytree_tab

Likewise, via the above link.
>
>and just signing in.
>
>Or I can get there by going to the PDF that instructs you how to register and
clicking on the link.

> If I am already in nFS it automatically opens up in Family Tree. No log on
needed.
Different software and database. It does not reflect the changes made
through the familysearch.org tab. The data flow between the beta site
and the "live site" is one-way, toward the beta site.
>
>I have been a beta tester in the past. Was recently emailed and asked to
participate again. But I did not realise they were using live data. Otherwise I
may have volunteered. So busy I need to make all my time count. So I don't
always have time to do things that I will subsequently throw away - dead data.

Likewise, I was a beta tester while on my mission in the Family and
Church History Mission in Salt Lake, but not to worry, the changes
made in the beta version do not go back to the "live" data under NFS.
>
>I hope AQ had the information to Sync with Family Trees soon. I don't like
doing things twice.

I suspect Gaylon is working with his own site to get all the software
into place to be ready when FamilySearch Family Tree goes "live". It
is my understanding that NFS will simply go away at that point as the
transition to the new data model will be complete.
>
>Wonder how we are going to add sources through AQ?

I couldn't get FamilySearch Family Tree to open up the sources for me
to add any, even under the test scenario. I suspect this feature has
yet to be implemented, but at least some of the features are there,
like an entry point for declaring why I believe the data that I've
either entered or edited to be correct. This new feature will go a
long way to establish the "correct" data with proper documentation.

That is a feature that would be nice to see in AQ, perhaps via the
event notes.

"Family History without documentation is mythology." -- I don't know
who said it, but they are absolutely right on.

Tom

As most of you are probably aware, we are in final beta testing for a new
version 14 of AQ.

Let me make you all aware of something that is a bit unusual for software
upgrades.

Whether you are already licensed to use AQ 12.0 or 12.1, or you are using the
free AQ Basics version, you will be able to download and use newer versions of
AQ. Any new features, that are specific to a version for which you do not have a
key, will be locked until you upgrade your key, but functionality that you
already have will continue to work. We may make improvements to some of these
earlier features which will be available to you without having to upgrade.

We have just completed some improvements to the way AQ syncs with NFS. We would
like to encourage those of you who are willing, to download a patch which
contains these improvements and test them. Until you upgrade your key (available
soon), you will not be able to use the new features of AQ 14, but you will be
able to use your current features as well as these new improvements listed
below:

* On the Match/Link screen, we have removed the "Mark as Same" and "Mark as
Different" buttons. Instead, you will now simply check a box by the NFS records
that match your local record.

* On the "Review/Sync Individual with FamilySearch" screen, the option boxes
(they look like check boxes, but most of the time worked as Option boxes), have
been changed to work more like check boxes -- you simply check or uncheck them.
If there are other options for the event or fact, you will now have a small
down-arrow button which you can click to access the old options.

* Also on the "Review/Sync Individual with FamilySearch" screen, there are new
option boxes for the Seal to Parent and Seal to Spouse ordinances. In the past,
you had to go to the Spouses/Children or Parents/Siblings screen to download
these sealing ordinances from nFS. With this patch, you can download them from
the Review Individual screen.

If any of you would like to take a look at these improvements, and let us know
whether there are any glitches with them before we make a general announcement
about them, please download this patch file:

www.inclinesoftware.net/files/Latest.zip

Then extract the contents to your AQ program folder (typically "C:\Program
Files\Incline Software\Ancestral Quest 12.1", unless you have been beta testing
version 14, in which case the version number part of the folder name will be 14
rather than 12.1). You'll know you properly extracted the files if, in the
"About AQ" screen, it tells you that you are using AQ 14 with a date of
6/19/2012.

Let me make sure one thing is clear:

If you download this patch, the version 14 features will show up in some
screens, but your current key will not let them function. If you try to use a
version 14 feature, it will suggest that you upgrade your key -- but our online
store is not yet selling upgraded keys, so don't try to purchase one until we
send you a follow-up announcement alerting you that AQ 14 keys can be purchased
:-) We hope to have version 14 and the new keys available by early next week.
(If you bought a copy of AQ at a tradeshow from us during the last 9 months or
so, you already have a version 14 key.)

Gaylon



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Dear Tom,

Thank you for your insights.

After looking at the beta site for awhile I still prefer interfacing through AQ.

I am quite happy to wait for it all to happen.

I am sure Gaylon and his team will do an excellent job when the time to swap
happens.

Cheers,

Ken

--- In AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com, tomhuber.yah@... wrote:
>
> See interactive responses, below:
>
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 07:35:56 -0000, you wrote:
>
> >Nevertheless I can get in by:
> >https://www.familysearch.org/invite/familytree_tab
>
> Likewise, via the above link.
> >
> >and just signing in.
> >
> >Or I can get there by going to the PDF that instructs you how to register and
clicking on the link.
>
> > If I am already in nFS it automatically opens up in Family Tree. No log on
needed.
> Different software and database. It does not reflect the changes made
> through the familysearch.org tab. The data flow between the beta site
> and the "live site" is one-way, toward the beta site.
> >
> >I have been a beta tester in the past. Was recently emailed and asked to
participate again. But I did not realise they were using live data. Otherwise I
may have volunteered. So busy I need to make all my time count. So I don't
always have time to do things that I will subsequently throw away - dead data.
>
> Likewise, I was a beta tester while on my mission in the Family and
> Church History Mission in Salt Lake, but not to worry, the changes
> made in the beta version do not go back to the "live" data under NFS.
> >
> >I hope AQ had the information to Sync with Family Trees soon. I don't like
doing things twice.
>
> I suspect Gaylon is working with his own site to get all the software
> into place to be ready when FamilySearch Family Tree goes "live". It
> is my understanding that NFS will simply go away at that point as the
> transition to the new data model will be complete.
> >
> >Wonder how we are going to add sources through AQ?
>
> I couldn't get FamilySearch Family Tree to open up the sources for me
> to add any, even under the test scenario. I suspect this feature has
> yet to be implemented, but at least some of the features are there,
> like an entry point for declaring why I believe the data that I've
> either entered or edited to be correct. This new feature will go a
> long way to establish the "correct" data with proper documentation.
>
> That is a feature that would be nice to see in AQ, perhaps via the
> event notes.
>
> "Family History without documentation is mythology." -- I don't know
> who said it, but they are absolutely right on.
>
> Tom
>