I just saw this link on the front page of the U of Iowa library's website. It
might be of interest for some of you.
http://paper.lib.uiowa.edu/
-Aritê

Random question-
I'm working on a bestiary of animals from my persona's region of the world. Part
of their homeland is on the list of biodiversity hotspots, which means lots of
endemic animals I'd like to include. One of them is a species of seal. I'm not
sure whether to include it in the beast section or in the fish section, though.
I know whales were considered to be fish in period, but what about seals?
-Aritê

--- In AandS50ChallengeCommunity@yahoogroups.com, "celticdragon38"
<celticdragon38@...> wrote:
>
> Random question-
> I'm working on a bestiary of animals from my persona's region of the world.
Part of their homeland is on the list of biodiversity hotspots, which means lots
of endemic animals I'd like to include. One of them is a species of seal. I'm
not sure whether to include it in the beast section or in the fish section,
though. I know whales were considered to be fish in period, but what about
seals?
> -Aritê
>

I believe anything which swam was pretty much "fish". Even swans could be
considered "fish"

YEAH! I made someone happy today!

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Inge <IngeHunter@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Oooh! It looks like there are three copies on microfilm in Boston. That's
> only two hours away from me. THANK YOU!!!
> -Elgiva
>
>
> --- In AandS50ChallengeCommunity@yahoogroups.com, Jacintha of Highland
> Foorde <jacintha74@...> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, the worlcat listing has SEVERAL universities in New England
> >
>
http://www.worldcat.org/title/chansonnier-cordiforme/oclc/13613872&referer=brief\
_results
> >
> > Does that sound like the correct lisitng?
> >
> > --
> > Lady Jacintha of Highland Foorde
> > Chancellor Minor - Barony of Highland Foorde
> > Per fess argent and azure, a sprig of harebells azure slipped and leaved
> > vert and a compass rose argent
> > jacintha74@...
>
> >
> > * Nam in dando recipimus *
> > * For it is in giving that we receive *
> > * Francis of Assisi 1185-1226 *
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
>



--
Lady Jacintha of Highland Foorde
Chancellor Minor - Barony of Highland Foorde
Per fess argent and azure, a sprig of harebells azure slipped and leaved
vert and a compass rose argent
jacintha74@...

*       Nam in dando recipimus      *
* For it is in giving that we receive *
*    Francis of Assisi 1185-1226    *


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Thanks for sharing!  I can't wait to get home so I can read the entire site.

--- In AandS50ChallengeCommunity@yahoogroups.com, "celticdragon38"
<celticdragon38@...> wrote:
>
> I just saw this link on the front page of the U of Iowa library's website. It
might be of interest for some of you.
> http://paper.lib.uiowa.edu/
> -Aritê
>

My hood pattern for a late 13th century ca (1280) Viennese lady is
complete. The question remains, to add a liripipe or not.

Any comments?

Sophia

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I don't know about Vienna, but in France at least, the liripipe (of any
length) seems to have come in somewhat later. I could be wrong.
Asther de Perpinya


On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 6:26 PM, <Miretar@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> My hood pattern for a late 13th century ca (1280) Viennese lady is
> complete. The question remains, to add a liripipe or not.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Sophia
>
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>
>
>


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> -Aritê I'm working on a bestiary of animals from my persona's region of
> the world. Part of their homeland is on the list of biodiversity
> hotspots, which means lots of endemic animals I'd like to include. One
> of them is a species of seal. I'm not sure whether to include it in
> the beast section or in the fish section, though. I know whales were
> considered to be fish in period, but what about seals?

I'd say go with the fish category -- it may be a marine mammal, but the more
important
aspect is the marine environment over its quadruped nature. Mermaids were fish
too, as
were dolphins.

The environmental categorisation is more important with this creature than the
religious/food-related -- as in barnacle-geese and mountain whale (deer) being
designated as
water creatures for the purpose of being able to eat them when meat was
off-limits for
religious reasons.

Also partially depends on when your bestiary is set. Things started to get more
rigorously
classified towards the end of period, though that didn't stop Gessner lumping
walruses in with
monkfish, octopus and whales in his animal survey of the latter 1500s:
http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2010/03/23/science/0323-PAINT_4.html

If thinking more medievally, the Physiologus states that a mermaid is a fish, as
is a dolphin
and the whale; the crocodile is a beast. It also includes the sea-pig, which
looks like a fish,
but may be a depiction of something more marine mammalian:
http://bestiary.ca/beasts/beastalphashort.htm

The Aberdeen bestiary recognised live-bearing marine creatures, but still saw
them as fish:
Other fish produce living offspring from their bodies, like the great whales,
dolphins,
seals and others of this sort;
http://www.abdn.ac.uk/bestiary/translat/74r.hti

It also says that according to Pliny, the names of the creatures living in water
total
one hundred and forty-four, divided, into the following species: monsters,
amphibious serpents, crabs, shellfish, lobsters, mussels, polyps, flatfish,
lizards,
rockfish and those like it.
http://www.abdn.ac.uk/bestiary/translat/77v.hti

So I figure that the bigger marine mammals all come under the generic large
category
of monsters. Certainly in late-period maps, you can see seals and sea elephants
and
other recognisable depictions of marine mammals being described as sea monsters.
You can see some examples in Ortelius's Theatrum Orbis Terrarum from 1570 here:
http://www.strangescience.net/stsea2.htm

Or a plate from Gesner showing a seal being eaten by a ziphius (possibnly a
shark) which in
turn is being chomped on by a sea monster. The notes to this depiction suggests
that these
were regarded as deformed quadrupeds, if not monsters:
http://www.strangescience.net/stsea2.htm

Other possibly useful links to bestiaries can be found in the reference boxes on
my page
here:
http://webcentre.co.nz/kk/bestiary.htm

I did a batch of bestiaries from medieval to late period which focused on the
native animals to
be found in Lochac (I'm sure Pliny would have had a field day with kangaroos and
tuatara!).

I'd love to see your final result, so do please put info online when you get
there.

Cheers,
katherine



=====================================
katherine kerr of the Hermitage, in the Crescent Isles,
Barony of Southron Gaard, Kingdom of Lochac
mka Vicki Hyde, Webwright, wordsmith
printing, maps, children:  http://webcentre.co.nz/kk
Barony of Southron Gaard: http://sg.lochac.sca.org

Wow, Katherine, you are making me wonder more about how we got from such mangled
categories to early comparitive zoology.  (Or back to it, I should say - didn't
the Greeks do a decent job of it?)


Thanks for the education!
Albreda







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Thanks so much! I was uncertain because they spend part of their time on land.
The links are a huge help. Accuracy in  natural history isn't a goal. My persona
spans from Late Antiquity to Early Period, though the author will be speaking
from a later time definitely won't be from their culture. Sarmatians didn't have
a written language to make a bestiary in.

Your bestiaries look fantastic!

-Aritê


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> Albreda:
> Wow, Katherine, you are making me wonder more about how we got from
> such mangled categories to early comparitive zoology.  (Or back to it,
> I should say - didn't the Greeks do a decent job of it?)

Well, every culture had their own way of looking at the world and trying to make
sense of it.
The Enlightenment was just another way of looking -- you can see it on its way
with the likes
of Gessner, Topsell and the others.

> -Aritê
> Thanks so much! I was uncertain because they spend part of their time
> on land.

I guess they were seen as much more fishy than, say, the crocodile, which is
more beasty.

> The links are a huge help. Accuracy in  natural history isn't a goal.

I daresay accuracy is a post-period concept :-) There is comment, for example,
that Gessner
may have had a walrus head on which to base his woodcut, but the rest of the
body is a bit of
a fudge...Mind you, we can't be too complacent -- the platypus was initially
considered one of
the common South China Sea fakes when specimens started to turn up in England:

It is well known that the specimens of this extraordinary animal first brought
to Europe were
considered by many as impositions. They reached England by vessels which had
navigated the Indian
seas, a circumstance in itself sufficient to rouse the suspicions of the
scientific naturalist, aware of the
monstrous impostures which the artful Chinese had so frequently practised on
European adventurers,
the scientific felt inclined to class this rare production of nature with
eastern mermaids and other
works of art.
Robert Knox 1823

And showman P.T. Barnum, exhibitor of the Feejee Mermaid in the 1840s, is said
to have admitted
that he "did not pursue his studies in Natural History too far, or he might
learn too much..."

> Your bestiaries look fantastic!

Thanks, they were a lot of fun.

So, to change the subject, anyone out there done anything with volvelles? (No,
not tiny voles,
but card dials used for astronomical, medical and cryptographic purposes.)

Cheers,
katherine



=====================================
katherine kerr of the Hermitage, in the Crescent Isles,
Barony of Southron Gaard, Kingdom of Lochac
mka Vicki Hyde, Webwright, wordsmith
printing, maps, bardic arts:  http://webcentre.co.nz/kk
Barony of Southron Gaard: http://sg.lochac.sca.org


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--- In AandS50ChallengeCommunity@yahoogroups.com, "katherine kerr" <vicki@...>
wrote:
>
> > Albreda:
> > Wow, Katherine, you are making me wonder more about how we got from
> > such mangled categories to early comparitive zoology.  (Or back to it,
> > I should say - didn't the Greeks do a decent job of it?)
>
>
Our concept of catagorising animals is pretty new. In 1758 Carl Linnaeus
published Systema Naturae, in which he named all of life as he knew it. This is
outside our timeframe.
Prior to that, animals were pretty much what they were. Christianity certainly
discouraged seeing a genetic relationship between species. I guess in light of
this it made perfect sense that everything which swam was a "fish", after all
calling sharks fish and whales mammals can still be a hard concept for children
to learn. When you are hungary the important classifications are 1) can I catch
it? and 2) can I eat it? Maybe follwed by 3) Does it taste like chicken?? :)

Did you realise that about 1900, it was possible for one person to remember the
sum total of all human scientific knowledge? It is staggering how far we have
come in 100 years and this makes your besiaries so interesting as they remind us
how differently we see the world today. They really are putting on
medieval-tinted glasses.

YIS
Claricia

Hi folks -


I'm already asking on the SCA weaving list, but I'm just curious if anyone here
has done a tablet woven header (where the weft of the tablet weaving becomes the
warp of the yardage you weave later), and might be willing to talk off-list with
me about it?


(Yes, my new loom is almost done, so I've started weaving the header!  I'm
hoping to have the two ready at the same time, so I can get cracking on some
weave structures samplers for my class at Hrim Schola (in MA) on March 17th!)


Enjoy!
Albreda


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Hi folks!


Anyone give A&S goodies, either supplies, help, or finished products to your
sweeties for Valentine's Day?


I was *hoping* to get Owyn a copy of Diehl's 'Medieval Furniture', but it looks
like it is out of print (bazillion dollars used) or in ebook (reasonably priced,
but definitely not the same.  (Ah well...  any ideas for a backup plan would be
most appreciated!)


Enjoy!
Albreda






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There used to be on Youtube the coolest series of videos of a woman in
(Iceland? Sweden? etc??) demonstrating how to weave on a rock-weighted
vertical loom, and she weaves (almost braids it, as I recall) a narrow
strip which turns out to be the header for her warp threads. I wished I
could understand what she was saying.  I lost a lot of my bookmarks and I
haven't been able to find it since then. Anyone know what I am talking
about?
Asther de Perpinya
"au four et au moulin"


On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Siggi <AlbredaA@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi folks -
>
> I'm already asking on the SCA weaving list, but I'm just curious if anyone
> here has done a tablet woven header (where the weft of the tablet weaving
> becomes the warp of the yardage you weave later), and might be willing to
> talk off-list with me about it?
>
> (Yes, my new loom is almost done, so I've started weaving the header! I'm
> hoping to have the two ready at the same time, so I can get cracking on
> some weave structures samplers for my class at Hrim Schola (in MA) on March
> 17th!)
>
> Enjoy!
> Albreda
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Hi,
I was doing some research on medieval manuscript illumination & came  upon
the Aberdeen Bestiary.

Under fish, the author writes:

"Other fish produce living offspring from their bodies, like the great
whales, dolphins, seals and others of this sort..."

_http://www.abdn.ac.uk/bestiary/translat/74r.hti_
(http://www.abdn.ac.uk/bestiary/translat/74r.hti)

There is no specific entry for seals though. But this author seems to think
  that they are fish.

Sophia

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I have only done one small sample to see how it goes myself, but I have assisted
on others.
Some sources recommend using a rod to run the bottom ends of the threads over
(what will become the upright warp from the tablet weft) but I found that a long
board with a series of pegs you can warp around (like a really closely pegged
warping board side) made the weaving/warping faster and easier as you did not
have to do a hand-over of the shuttle around a rod.
cheers
Jo/Tanikh

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   From: Siggi
   To: AandS50ChallengeCommunity@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 5:23 AM
   Subject: [AandS50ChallengeCommunity] Tablet woven headers, anyone?



   Hi folks -

   I'm already asking on the SCA weaving list, but I'm just curious if anyone
here has done a tablet woven header (where the weft of the tablet weaving
becomes the warp of the yardage you weave later), and might be willing to talk
off-list with me about it?

   (Yes, my new loom is almost done, so I've started weaving the header! I'm
hoping to have the two ready at the same time, so I can get cracking on some
weave structures samplers for my class at Hrim Schola (in MA) on March 17th!)

   Enjoy!
   Albreda

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Yeah, I did a combo of both - I turned my inkle loom on its side, then used the
SHORT posts to wrap around, so no hand over hand, but all the gravity still
working for me.  >:)


I love this list - I posted to the SCA weaving list about this, and not one
bite, but here I've been having private and on-list conversations, and getting
good advice, from three separate people.


Good thing Owyn isn't the jealous type, because ALL of you are my Valentines. 
:)


(I'll post pictures of my weaving thus far later, I promise!)
Albreda



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To: AandS50ChallengeCommunity <AandS50ChallengeCommunity@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Feb 11, 2012 12:45 am
Subject: Re: [AandS50ChallengeCommunity] Tablet woven headers, anyone?





I have only done one small sample to see how it goes myself, but I have assisted
on others.
Some sources recommend using a rod to run the bottom ends of the threads over
(what will become the upright warp from the tablet weft) but I found that a long
board with a series of pegs you can warp around (like a really closely pegged
warping board side) made the weaving/warping faster and easier as you did not
have to do a hand-over of the shuttle around a rod.
cheers
Jo/Tanikh

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   From: Siggi
   To: AandS50ChallengeCommunity@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 5:23 AM
   Subject: [AandS50ChallengeCommunity] Tablet woven headers, anyone?

Hi folks -

I'm already asking on the SCA weaving list, but I'm just curious if anyone here
has done a tablet woven header (where the weft of the tablet weaving becomes the
warp of the yardage you weave later), and might be willing to talk off-list with
me about it?

(Yes, my new loom is almost done, so I've started weaving the header! I'm hoping
to have the two ready at the same time, so I can get cracking on some weave
structures samplers for my class at Hrim Schola (in MA) on March 17th!)

Enjoy!
   Albreda

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All items circa 1200, Syrian or Iranian:



1 Silver Ring

2 Bowls

2 Chess pieces, one bronze and one horn.



Andras





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To: AandS50ChallengeCommunity <AandS50ChallengeCommunity@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Feb 11, 2012 12:47 pm
Subject: [AandS50ChallengeCommunity] 5 of 50 done!





All items circa 1200, Syrian or Iranian:

1 Silver Ring

2 Bowls

2 Chess pieces, one bronze and one horn.

Andras

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Sounds like you are starting with a bang, Andras!  Keep up the good work!
Albreda



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Sent: Sat, Feb 11, 2012 12:47 pm
Subject: [AandS50ChallengeCommunity] 5 of 50 done!





All items circa 1200, Syrian or Iranian:

1 Silver Ring

2 Bowls

2 Chess pieces, one bronze and one horn.

Andras

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> Albrefa:
> Anyone give A&S goodies, either supplies, help, or finished products to your
sweeties for Valentine's Day?

For a wedding anniversary I typeset Shakespeare's "When in disgrace with
fortune" sonnet
alongside the Mannese Codex image of the lovers and roses and printed it out on
some nice
paper.

Cheers,
katherine

=====================================
katherine kerr of the Hermitage, in the Crescent Isles,
Barony of Southron Gaard, Kingdom of Lochac
mka Vicki Hyde, Webwright, wordsmith
printing, maps, children:  http://webcentre.co.nz/kk
Barony of Southron Gaard: http://sg.lochac.sca.org

Greetings!

I tried to find the videos, but didn't have much luck.  If anyone has a link,
that would be great!

In Western Norway there has been a small area where use of the warp-weighted
loom has survived as living tradition for weaving wall hangings/tapestry
(aakle).
In one reference from this area, they make the header by using 4 weft threads +
one warp thread, doubling these, then twining them into a cord.  The warp loops
over this cord and is evenly distributed along it as the cord is sewn to the
beam.

The Sami of Norhtern Norway use a rigid heddle to weave a narrow band, but this
is done similarly to weaving a header with cards, as has been discussed earlier.

Could one of these be what you were seeing on the video?

I do my headers by streching the warp of the tablet weaving vertically along the
left upright of the loom, then pulling the loop of the warp across the loom,
making the loom my warping frame.

Very exciting to hear about so many people using warp-weighted looms!


Til tjeneste
Þora Sumarlđadóttir á Skala brekko
(Thora)


--- In AandS50ChallengeCommunity@yahoogroups.com, Andrea AskenDunn
<askendunn@...> wrote:
>
> There used to be on Youtube the coolest series of videos of a woman in
> (Iceland? Sweden? etc??) demonstrating how to weave on a rock-weighted

Does the latest edition of Stittchcraft Software, that I use to chart
medieval embroidery stitches count? That's what I am getting.

Sophia

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Evening all - back at the 40th event there was a very long wall
hanging showing what peers were elevated during each reign.  I don't
know if there's a pictoral record of that or maybe a master list
somewhere that someone might be willing to share.  I've got great
ambitions to work on my Knight Tree again (I'm really just avoiding
doing embroidering but still want to feel productive) and I have found
that very nearly ever early knight lineage webpage I once had book
marked has vanished.  I have some historical holes I'm trying to match
dates too.

Thanks!

Jadwiga
Tapestry Chick (but not right now)

Whitebelt.org is an Order of Precedence listing of all the knights/masters
from the first to the last.  I'm compiling a list of who-knighted-who.  Two
different projects made up of the same grouping of people. ;)


Jadwiga



On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Willie <kith3609@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Fast Eddies website has a complete list of all Chiv ever elevated( or
> pretty darn close to all)
>
> whitebelt.org
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 11, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Carrot Khan <carrot.khan@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Evening all - back at the 40th event there was a very long wall
> hanging showing what peers were elevated during each reign. I don't
> know if there's a pictoral record of that or maybe a master list
> somewhere that someone might be willing to share. I've got great
> ambitions to work on my Knight Tree again (I'm really just avoiding
> doing embroidering but still want to feel productive) and I have found
> that very nearly ever early knight lineage webpage I once had book
> marked has vanished. I have some historical holes I'm trying to match
> dates too.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jadwiga
> Tapestry Chick (but not right now)
>
>
>


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Good for you!

Caitlin

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Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 9:47 AM
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Subject: [AandS50ChallengeCommunity] 5 of 50 done!

All items circa 1200, Syrian or Iranian:



1 Silver Ring

2 Bowls

2 Chess pieces, one bronze and one horn.



Andras





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Yahoo! Groups Links

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aun1yHH83aNpdDF4QzRUdU4tWFJ6RVBkdHh\
rNHJaVVE

Its not a very elegant link, but then right now it's not a very
elegant project!  I know that I have this files saved for the A&S 50
people, but I put it in a Google doc so it would be easier to share
around so people can see what I'm doing.  I'm not doing the
Whitebelt.com project, as you can see (if you click on the link and it
actually works) that its a lineage and not an OP.

To explain it all a bit further -

1)  Ignore the highlighting on some of the names.  I've had to go back
and double check from the very start because I ended up with missing
names, wrong dates, numerous duplicates and the like.  This is a way
for me to "cross off" each name as I come across them.  I just
finished Middle tonight and am progressing through the kingdoms in
order of founding (which is what I did not do last time hence some of
the problems).

2)  There are tabs at the bottom for each of the five lineages of
knights.  In this particular project, a Knight Lineage is a "Who
Dubbed Who" - with the Corpora idea that "only a knight can make a
knight".  I know that most knights hold the lineage to whom they were
squired to be of more important than to whomever happened to be king
that day - but as there were 12 original knights, with only five of
the 12 actually knighting anyone in turn, its interested to see how
the Dream spread down through the years from those few five.  (For
those in the Middle, the Middle Knights are almost entirely contained
in the Siegfried von Hoflichskeit lineage, only a handful exist out of
kingdom, but please peruse!)

3)  I anticipate errors and I apologize ahead of time!  I've gone
through a number of kingdoms, but not everyone has excellent
historical records (have I mentioned how amazingly awesomesauce the
Atenveldt OP is?) and the early days were somewhat before meticulous
record keeping.  Then there's the problem of a king who is not
knighted and someone else must hold the sword.  While I can usually
find during what reign someone is elevated, very rarely does it
mention who the knight was that held the sword at the request of the
king.  That is information I'd be eager to have, even though it must
mean I'd have to re-arrange huge swaths of the tree.

4) I have a page with "unknown lineages" and they're names I can't
attach to anyone yet, but its is mostly because I've not gotten
through all the kingdoms or because I there's been a name change and I
don't know the alias.

5) I'm pretty sure I have it locked, but if I messed that up - please
don't self-edit.  Send me the information and I'll try to log it in
correctly.

6)  Why yes, I am crazy.  Crazy for genealogy!  (okay, going to bed now)

Jadwiga Wlodzislawska
Tapestry Chick (but not tonight)