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#9120 From: Susan <AlbredaA@...>
Date: Tue May 15, 2012 7:49 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Hello
albreda_aylese
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Late to the party, but I still have a comment to make.  I saw the below in a
recent post:

In our group, I am our A&S deputy in charge of Largess and we have taken on
the 50 for 50 challenge to inspire individual group members to expand their
skills as they learn new crafts and arts. As I take in largess given to me
by individuals, I compare it to past largess, or the skill level that I
know that person has with that craft and determine if they are stretching
it or not. If they are, the piece qualifies for the project and counts
toward our 50 for 50 year. We have committed to contribute 50 pieces by 50
year to the An Tirian Crown for Largess.



If everyone in your group agrees to this, then go for it, but it is one of the
tenets of the Challenge as a whole that  **the individual doing the work decides
if it pushes them or not, not some outside source**, even the person
coordinating their group. The project sounds wonderful, but only the artisan
themselves knows if their work pushed them; no outside person can know all that
went into a project, or on behind the scenes while the artist was working on it.


If this has already been brought up later in the thread, I apologize, but I felt
this needed to be addressed.


Albreda





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From: S Prowett <prowett@...>
To: AandS50ChallengeCommunity <AandS50ChallengeCommunity@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 12:09 pm
Subject: Re: [AandS50ChallengeCommunity] Re: Hello


Another An Tirian here! Sannan the OneEyed from Central An Tir!

My two personal 50 for 50 year challenges relate to my current A&S
passions, lampworking and scribal. In lampworking I'm doing 50 different
PERIOD documentable forms of bead and am creating 6 each as perfectly as I
can. 5 of each type are gifted as largess to Crown representatives and one
I keep to add to a project necklace to show the project progress.

My second project is to do scribal research on the symbology and meaning of
different elements in illumination. 50 items into my research database. I
have the database designed and am testing with the first few entries to
make sure I am collecting the information I find most useful.

In our group, I am our A&S deputy in charge of Largess and we have taken on
the 50 for 50 challenge to inspire individual group members to expand their
skills as they learn new crafts and arts. As I take in largess given to me
by individuals, I compare it to past largess, or the skill level that I
know that person has with that craft and determine if they are stretching
it or not. If they are, the piece qualifies for the project and counts
toward our 50 for 50 year. We have committed to contribute 50 pieces by 50
year to the An Tirian Crown for Largess. As a second project we determined
to do the same for our sponsoring group. :)

YIS, Sannan the OneEyed of Hauksgar�r, GdS, JdL

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Ted Eisenstein <alban@...> wrote:

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> > So there are at least two Calontiri doing the challenge, myself
> >and Deirdre. Any other Calontiri out there?
>
> Yup.
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> Alban
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Yes, *sigh* I have a blog.... it's another one of THOSE people, lol, ...
http://puzzledgoddess.blogspot.com/


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#9121 From: "katherine kerr" <vicki@...>
Date: Tue May 15, 2012 10:08 pm
Subject: please trim replies
vickikatherine
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Just a quick hopeful plea to ask people to please, please, PLEASE trim the
trailing messages
off the bottom of their replies.

If you need to reference something in them, please consider using the subject
line or extract
the relevant comments and use a prefix to indicate the original.

At the moment, 90% of the digests are repeats and repeats and repeats of earlier
messages
and it makes it very hard to figure out what is new, even allowing for
indicative prefixes.

In hope of better netiquette and improved comprehension,
katherine


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Barony of Southron Gaard, Kingdom of Lochac
mka Vicki Hyde, Webwright, wordsmith
printing, maps, bardic arts:  http://webcentre.co.nz/kk
Barony of Southron Gaard: http://sg.lochac.sca.org


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#9122 From: "katherine kerr" <vicki@...>
Date: Tue May 15, 2012 10:08 pm
Subject: painted cloths
vickikatherine
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> Asther de Perpinya
> So a forepart like Elizabeth's would have been painted rather than
> embroidered?

There's on-going debate about that one -- I'm specifically talking about the one
I worked on,
based on the painting currently in Hardwick Hall.

I spent a lot of time staring at that close-up trying to see if there was any
kind of subtle
indication I could spot for one way or the other. From that and the reading I've
done, I'd come
down on the side of painting, rather than embroidery.

Admittedly, that's based partly on gut feeling, partly on the nature/technique
of the images,
partly on the feeling that the embroidery that would have been used at that time
would have
produced a different look (though, of course, those assumptions are mediated by
the fact of
the source itself being a painting! Oh for the extant version!!).

I'm thinking about the difference between the motifs and style on that forepart
compared to,
say, the various embroidered doublets you see in paintings and extant. And that
this forepart
has very few counterparts we know of.

> D'Vorah:
> So, this gorgeous, ornate, artistic, involved, thoughtful, skillful
> display... is the period answer to "slapdashery?"

Well, given how relatively rare detailed painted clothing appears to have been,
I'd venture
that it may well have been more high-falutin' than handing over a design book to
the nearest
batch of professional embroiderers and saying "do that one there"....

For someone without that crew readily available, and from a practical point of
view in the here
and now, it was a lot easier to consider painting something along those lines
than
embroidering it! :-)

Cheers,
katherine



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katherine kerr of the Hermitage, in the Crescent Isles,
Barony of Southron Gaard, Kingdom of Lochac
mka Vicki Hyde, Webwright, wordsmith
printing, maps, bardic arts:  http://webcentre.co.nz/kk
Barony of Southron Gaard: http://sg.lochac.sca.org


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#9123 From: Miretar@...
Date: Wed May 16, 2012 3:56 pm
Subject: Just finished my second 50
hkubasch
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Hi,
I just finished charting & documenting my second group of 50 counted
thread patterns. Now on to the stitching.

Regards
Sophia

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#9124 From: Carrot Khan <carrot.khan@...>
Date: Wed May 16, 2012 4:00 pm
Subject: Re: Just finished my second 50
carolinepolli
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> Hi,
> I just finished charting & documenting my second group of 50 counted
> thread patterns. Now on to the stitching.
>
> Regards
> Sophia

Is there a place where you have the charts up?

Jadwiga

#9125 From: Luke Knowlton <lukeknowlton@...>
Date: Wed May 16, 2012 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: Just finished my second 50
lukeknowlton
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Yes, I would be interested as well.

Luke


On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Carrot Khan <carrot.khan@...> wrote:

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>
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> > Hi,
> > I just finished charting & documenting my second group of 50 counted
> > thread patterns. Now on to the stitching.
> >
> > Regards
> > Sophia
>
> Is there a place where you have the charts up?
>
> Jadwiga
>
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#9126 From: Miretar@...
Date: Wed May 16, 2012 4:46 pm
Subject: Re: Just finished my second 50
hkubasch
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Not yet. But I am working on getting a blog up.


In a message dated 5/16/2012 12:00:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
carrot.khan@... writes:

Is  there a place where you have the charts  up?



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#9127 From: "Madame du Pont" <madamedupont@...>
Date: Wed May 16, 2012 11:24 pm
Subject: Silk Standard Video (Work in Progress)
madamedupont...
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Bonjour,

I am on my 2nd of 50 standards for the A & S 50 Challenge.  And, because of the
interest by some I decided to video myself making one.  I also will supply
written instructions and a material list to go along with it.

I am currently making an Herald's Point standard for a lady who does book
consulting.  She wanted to have some heraldry up at the herald site during the
Gulf Wars and other events.   She also is going to make some of her own.  She is
from the Kingdom of Gleann Abhanns. (Louisiana)

Again, this is just a work in progress and spur of the moment, but thought it
would add to the written instructions.  (I will let you know when I upload
them.)

Video is 7:33 minutes, Part 1 of 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGKRiv3gET4&feature=player_embedded

Enjoy,
Mme du Pont
Stayner de silk
Kingdom d'An Tir

#9128 From: "Madame du Pont" <madamedupont@...>
Date: Thu May 17, 2012 5:27 am
Subject: My First of 50
madamedupont...
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Bonsoir,

I just uploaded into the photo album under "Silk Standards and Murals" the first
of my 50 standards/murals for the 50th.

This picture was sketched my a shiremate in Tymberhavene.  She is our first
woman warrior and shows it her in her armour and with her dog, Turk.  I was just
trying to get inspired to do a mural banner when she posted her sketch.  M'Lady
Muriel attached a sleeve to the left side for me so it slides over a pole.  I
presented it tonight at our A & S night to Julianna.

She has a Dutch persona and her pasttimes include wheel spinning, weaving and
drop spindle.  Which is represented in her device on her shield, yarn and drop
spindle.  I did the background in tuplips because of her persona.

I even included an 'Opps' picture.  I was ALL done, except for her skin tones. 
Painted in the face, and I don't know how, but skin tone was on my arm and land
smack dabe in her armour.  I tried dying over it, to no avail and ended up
making her ititials, J. A. in black gutta.

I was inspired to try this mural type banner by Danae FitzRobers of Principality
of Cynauga.  I was at their event in February where she presented the royalty
with a Pavilion banner of Cynauga's coat of arms.  It was just exquisite!!! 
And, ironically, I was down there for a banner contest for a War Banner and
won!!! ('course I was the only entry, but they had a banner for Estrella War and
the recent Mist/Cynauga War).

Also, while posting my pics, I see there are many photo albums.  I look forward
to perusing them all.

Cheers,
Mme du Pont
Stayner de silk
Kingdom d'An Tir

PS...I am also going to upload my Part 1 video of how to make a silk standard in
the Links file.

#9129 From: "Madame du Pont" <madamedupont@...>
Date: Thu May 17, 2012 5:37 am
Subject: Uploaded video in 'Links"
madamedupont...
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Bonsoir,

FYI: I just uploaded under Silk Standard Video, Part 1 (7:33 minutes) of how to
make a silk standard.  I am working on this banner right now, so Part 2 will be
up as I finish the standard.

Cheers,
Mme du Pont
Stayner de silk
Chateau du Merry Swan
Kingdom d'An Tir

#9130 From: Miretar@...
Date: Thu May 17, 2012 3:55 pm
Subject: Re: Uploaded video in 'Links"
hkubasch
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I enjoyed your video. It was very inspiring. It is not doable for me, since
  I would have to do it in a dining room with 3 cats jumping on & off the
table tracking pigments all over the place. One of them would add interest to
  the proceedings by dipping is paw into the pots & trying to carry them
off.  I would like to commission you to do a banner for me when my device  is
registered.

Regards
Sophia


In a message dated 5/17/2012 1:43:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
madamedupont@... writes:




Bonsoir,

FYI: I just uploaded under Silk Standard Video, Part 1  (7:33 minutes) of
how to make a silk standard. I am working on this banner  right now, so Part
2 will be up as I finish the  standard.

Cheers,
Mme du Pont
Stayner de silk
Chateau du Merry  Swan
Kingdom d'An Tir






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#9131 From: Anne Barnett <annemariebarnett@...>
Date: Thu May 17, 2012 4:05 pm
Subject: Re: Uploaded video in 'Links"
annemariebar...
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where is it and how do we get there to watch it?

 
Always,
              Anne


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  From: "Miretar@..." <Miretar@...>
To: AandS50ChallengeCommunity@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AandS50ChallengeCommunity] Uploaded video in 'Links"


 
I enjoyed your video. It was very inspiring. It is not doable for me, since
I would have to do it in a dining room with 3 cats jumping on & off the
table tracking pigments all over the place. One of them would add interest to
the proceedings by dipping is paw into the pots & trying to carry them
off.  I would like to commission you to do a banner for me when my device  is
registered.

Regards
Sophia


In a message dated 5/17/2012 1:43:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
madamedupont@... writes:

Bonsoir,

FYI: I just uploaded under Silk Standard Video, Part 1  (7:33 minutes) of
how to make a silk standard. I am working on this banner  right now, so Part
2 will be up as I finish the  standard.

Cheers,
Mme du Pont
Stayner de silk
Chateau du Merry  Swan
Kingdom d'An Tir

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#9132 From: "Star M" <star.maddox@...>
Date: Thu May 17, 2012 6:07 pm
Subject: Challenge progress: sewing and dress diaries, cloth doll edition
starmaddox
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My challenge is to sew and make dress diaries / tutorials for 50 things I'm
proud of. I've got several things sewn and dress diaries in progress. I wanted
to share the first tutorial I've gotten online.

I noticed that finding period children's toys (and period activities for
children generally) can be hit-or-miss, so I decided to make some dolls to keep
my daughter and her friends occupied. As the American Girl doll line shows,
little girls love to have a doll made and dressed like a little version of
themselves. These dolls are somewhat problematic from a documentation
standpoint, though - cloth playthings tend to take very hard wear, and aren't
the sort of thing that have been found in many archeological sites. There are
plenty of dolls in the hands of children in portraits, though. Fashion dolls,
intended as adult items of trade and examples of high fashion for tailors' use,
are a separate thing - I'm trying to make the period equivalent of an American
Girl doll, not the $400 porcelain thing that no one is allowed to play with.

You can see a photo, the patterns, and the photo tutorial here:
http://bgclothiers.vaelen.org/?page_id=25

If you end up making something with this tutorial, please send me a photo and
let me know how it went. And let me know if you have suggestions for
improvement, too!


Simona della Luna
Bryn Gwlad, Ansteorra
Austin, Texas

#9133 From: "Madame du Pont" <madamedupont@...>
Date: Thu May 17, 2012 7:38 pm
Subject: Re: Uploaded video in 'Links"
madamedupont...
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Bonjour,
I also have 2 cats and very fortunate I can go to another area to keep them out.
Sometimes though they 'meow' outside and one time my male cat threw himself at
the window while I was staining.  I must have a steady hand for it didn't jar my
painting.  And one time some people came in and my dog walked in, so it was then
all crowded and the dog's tail went under the banner as I was staining and I
ended with some 'swish' marks on the banner.

Oh, but we love our animals.

Adieu,
Mme du Pont

--- In AandS50ChallengeCommunity@yahoogroups.com, Miretar@... wrote:
>
> I enjoyed your video. It was very inspiring. It is not doable for me, since
>  I would have to do it in a dining room with 3 cats jumping on & off the
> table tracking pigments all over the place. One of them would add interest to
>  the proceedings by dipping is paw into the pots & trying to carry them
> off.  I would like to commission you to do a banner for me when my device  is
> registered.
>
> Regards
> Sophia
>
>

#9134 From: "Madame du Pont" <madamedupont@...>
Date: Thu May 17, 2012 7:43 pm
Subject: Re: Uploaded video in 'Links"
madamedupont...
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Bonjour M'Lady Anne of Tymberhavene,

In the Yahoo group in the blue shaded area to the left of the page is a list of
things: Home, Messages, Post, etc.  I put the video under "Links" and then it is
under Silk Standard Video, Part 1 (7:33 minutes).

Also, I put my first mural/banner in the Photo section under Silk Standards. 
The pictures of that mural is what I presented to Julianna last night at A & S
night.

Au revoir,
Mme du Pont
Chateau du Merry Swan
Kingdom d'An Tir



--- In AandS50ChallengeCommunity@yahoogroups.com, Anne Barnett
<annemariebarnett@...> wrote:
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> Always,
>               Anne
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#9135 From: "C" <jacintha74@...>
Date: Thu May 17, 2012 9:29 pm
Subject: Re: Challenge progress: sewing and dress diaries, cloth doll edition
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I would not worry about documentaion for the dolls. If you must document, do the
ckothing style.

My 'thing' is youth.  I need to make some dolls for exemplars of period clothing
styles for demos!

Thanks for your post!
J

--- In AandS50ChallengeCommunity@yahoogroups.com, "Star M" <star.maddox@...>
wrote:

> I noticed that finding period children's toys (and period activities for
children generally) can be hit-or-miss, so I decided to make some dolls to keep
my daughter and her friends occupied. As the American Girl doll line shows,
little girls love to have a doll made and dressed like a little version of
themselves. These dolls are somewhat problematic from a documentation
standpoint, though - cloth playthings tend to take very ha found in many
archeological sites. There are plenty. of dolls in the hands of child
> You can see a photo, the patterns, and the photo tutorial here:
> http://bgclothiers.vaelen.org/?page_id=25
>
> If you end up making something with this tutorial, please send me a photo and
let me know how it went. And let me know if you have suggestions for
improvement, too!
>
>
> Simona della Luna
> Bryn Gwlad, Ansteorra
> Austin, Texas
>

#9136 From: "katherine kerr" <vicki@...>
Date: Fri May 18, 2012 3:36 am
Subject: silk standard shortcuts
vickikatherine
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> Mme du Pont
> 2. Silk Standard Video (Work in Progress)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGKRiv3gET4&feature=player_embedded

Great to see this kind of resource for those who like to learn visually.

Couple of shortcuts you might like to consider, specially given how you
mentioned you're not
a natural sewer (me neither :-):

Rather than hemming the silk, or buying pre-hemmed material, you can simply use
acrylic
textile ink to "seal" the edges. When I do the resist outlines with Fastex
acrylic, that includes
painting the long standard outline with rounded or swallowtail ends or whatever.
When I cut it
off the frame, I cut down the centreline of acrylic and I have what is, in
effect, a sealed edge,
no sewing required.

The bonus is that using the standard standard shape of the long narrowing
triangle, not only
do you get two main standards (which have a shared centreline down the middle of
the fabric
drop), you also get two long pennons from the narrow triangular sections on
either long edge.
These look great flown just under the main standard, specially when you use any
excess
dye/paint to decorate them (beats washing it down the drain at the end of the
session!).

I've had standards flying for around 7-8 years now and have had very few
problems with any
fraying, except for the flies of the very large flags (2.24m x 2.24 m and 3 x
3m). That's to be
expected as they can flap very impressively in the wind (IIRC large flags can
break the sound
barrier with a particularly exuberant *snap*); it's a poroblem for even
commercially produced
flags..

I do tend to ensure they get taken down in the rain as a matter of flag care
(and at sunset,
though I haven't found a trumpeter as yet :-). During our B&B tenure, we
appointed a Court
Vexillologist whose job was to take care of all our flags, banners, pinsils,
achievements etc.
Very handy if you can get one :-) We did discuss whether we needed a large
populace flag to
fly for when the Crown leaves site, replacing the full arms, but fortunately the
Lochac Crown
is happy to have the populace reminded that They are always there -- in our
hearts, if not
actually present :-)

The other way you can avoid sewing is to use rubber band and safety pin
tensioning, rather
than whipstitching around the silk drop. Really quick and easy (about five
minutes to set up a
2.4 metre x 145cm double standard drop), and very easy to adjust the tensioning
to get it
nice and firm. I was wondering how you cope with tension adjustments with
whipstitch -- I
figure if I tried that I'd end up with a lot of frustrating bunching down the
last stretch... :-)

You can see a close-up of the pin and band approach, used with cheap offcuts of
Dexion
shelving as a totally adjustable frame, here:
http://webcentre.co.nz/kk/banners.htm#bannerprod

Vexillogically yours,
katherine

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katherine kerr of the Hermitage, in the Crescent Isles,
Barony of Southron Gaard, Kingdom of Lochac
mka Vicki Hyde, Webwright, wordsmith
printing, maps, children:  http://webcentre.co.nz/kk
Barony of Southron Gaard: http://sg.lochac.sca.org

#9137 From: D'vorah bint Da'ud <dvorah@...>
Date: Fri May 18, 2012 4:29 am
Subject: Re: silk standard shortcuts
dvorah.batadar
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On 17 May 2012, at 10:36 PM, katherine kerr wrote:

> Rather than hemming the silk, or buying pre-hemmed material, you can simply
use acrylic
> textile ink to "seal" the edges.

This is such a great-looking product, but I notice that the Fastex seems to be
not available in my stomping grounds. Do you -- or does anyone else
listening/reading -- know of a comparable product available in North America?
Because if I could avoid sewing entirely, I would be the happiest little
Yemenite Jew in the entire 13th century.
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#9138 From: "Madame du Pont" <madamedupont@...>
Date: Sat May 19, 2012 4:30 pm
Subject: Re: silk standard shortcuts
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Bonjour,
I look forward to trying this technique with the Fastex acrylic.  I was also
told the 'gutta' would act as a hem.  Perhaps it would if only indoors.  I made
swallow tails with the gutta, but outdoors is whips off in the wind.

Merci for thy suggestion.

Adieu,
Mme du Pont
Kingdom d'An Tir

--- In AandS50ChallengeCommunity@yahoogroups.com, "katherine kerr" <vicki@...>
wrote:

....... Couple of shortcuts you might like to consider, specially given how you
mentioned you're not > a natural sewer (me neither :-):
>
> Rather than hemming the silk, or buying pre-hemmed material, you can simply
use acrylic textile ink to "seal" the edges. When I do the resist outlines with
Fastex acrylic, that includes
> painting the long standard outline with rounded or swallowtail ends or
whatever. When I cut it off the frame, I cut down the centreline of acrylic and
I have what is, in effect, a sealed edge, no sewing required.........

#9139 From: "james" <jeason@...>
Date: Mon May 21, 2012 7:34 pm
Subject: Re: Silk Standard Video (Work in Progress)
cedricofthanet
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Fantastique!  As fortune would have it, a package of silks, dyes, and resists
arrived on my porch step, just this week.

Cedric

#9140 From: S Prowett <prowett@...>
Date: Tue May 22, 2012 11:29 am
Subject: RE: Ding! Closing in!
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Love it, love it, love it! From Sannan in  An Tir  I'm constantly sending
out your link as one more cool example of what people are doing. Thank you
for being so inspirational!
On May 15, 2012 11:37 AM, "Berdanier" <baroness_cat@...> wrote:

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> 1duchess@...; kharmindh@...; shauna@...
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#9141 From: "Madame du Pont" <madamedupont@...>
Date: Tue May 22, 2012 1:23 pm
Subject: Re: Silk Standard Video (Work in Progress)
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Aye! Bless be the good heavens for thy fortune, M'Lord!
Mme du Pont
Stayner de silk

and my 2 part series has grown to 5 parts. Just sewed on the ties a fortnight
and wish to get a picture of the standard flying in the wind this day to finish.
The show so far:
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGKRiv3gET4
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prqopNwoYcY&feature=youtu.be
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9b7dIP-Lxs&feature=youtu.be
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kktfg7v9EL8&feature=youtu.be
Part 5: Last part, finishing today.

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#9142 From: "katherine kerr" <vicki@...>
Date: Wed May 23, 2012 4:23 am
Subject: standards and banners and armorial display
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> Sophia
> off.  I would like to commission you to do a banner for me when my device  is
> registered.

In case it helps, the nature of standards -- the long narrow flaggy thing --
means that you are
not representing your offical arms, so you can make and display one at any time
without the
need for registration. It works nicely as a means of using some of your
preferred/hoped-for
armorial elements (eg colours, charges, lines of division) to identify you,
without actually
having to register them in a formal coat of arms version (or while waiting for
arms to pass).

That said, it's best to follow standard heraldic rules (eg colours on metals;
make your
charges nice and big and clearly identifiable; use one affiliation in the hoist
etc), but there's
quite a lot of licence compared to how you represent your arms themselves.

Actually, you can display a banner -- the square representation of arms -- 
without
registration; until registration it is known as a device, post-registration it
becomes your official
arms. However, some places/people can get picky about that in an SCA context
(very few
jurisdictitions actually had registration in period :-). The main thing to
remember is that you
don't put your arms on a shield on a square banner -- the banner itself
represents the field of
your arms.

All this gives you quite a bit of flexibility to play around with. For example:

(1) my standard has the Kingdom populace arms in the hoist, with the Lovel cur
on it and
rose-en-soleils (it's modelled off Richard III's standard) with a plain divided
field azure and
gules

(2) my SCA-registered arms has two Lovel curs heads couped and the Hermitage
tower, with
the azure and gules field divided per chevron embattled

(3) my achievement of arms has the Lovel cur as the supporter for the arms as
per (2) which
are crested with a baronial coronet and pelican, and the cur is maintaining a
standard bearing
the Kingdom populace affiliation badge, a rose-en-soliel and my motto.

So there are clear common elements and tinctures, but quite a bit of variation,
depending on
the nature of the "flag". Most local folk seeing the Lovel cur and/or the
Hermitage tower
recognise it means me, regardless of whether it's stamped on a clay token of
ownership,
represented on a pewter personal cipher, embroidered on my chair seat or flying
outside my
pavilion. And that's the beauty of personal armory.

Have fun!
katherine





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#9143 From: Hastings Sanderson <hodgepatch@...>
Date: Wed May 23, 2012 2:46 pm
Subject: Re: standards and banners and armorial display
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Katherine,
Speaking of non-registered heraldic displays, I wanted to thank you so much
for your information of parade shields and the pictures of the one you
made. I recently taught a class on impresa at one of our kingdom's
collegiums (Artemisia.) As part of the outgrowth of my research and
inspired by yours, i made my own "Tournament shield." Here's the finished
pictures
http://daughterofthebull.blogspot.com/2012/04/tournament-shield-is-complete.html
Here's some in process pictures
http://daughterofthebull.blogspot.com/2012/04/tournament-shield-in-progress.html\
and
here's some of the original musings on impresa and design
http://daughterofthebull.blogspot.com/2012/04/impresa-for-tourney-shield.html

I very much appreciate the inspiration!

Dvoryanka Praksedys Turova doch'
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#9144 From: "katherine kerr" <vicki@...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2012 11:03 pm
Subject: parade shields
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> Dvoryanka Praksedys Turova doch'
> Speaking of non-registered heraldic displays, I wanted to thank you so much
> for your information of parade shields and the pictures of the one you
> made. I recently taught a class on impresa at one of our kingdom's
> collegiums (Artemisia.) As part of the outgrowth of my research and
> inspired by yours, i made my own "Tournament shield." Here's the finished
> pictures

Neat! Nice to read about the impresa reasoning too -- it can be a lot of fun
when you find
something that "clicks" with you. It demonstrates how some things are common
between us
modern-days folk and them back then.

I'd love to go full-scale Field of Cloth of Gold and have a big tree covered in
these things for a
tourney. One day....

We have a very talented artist here who is doing interesting work on a parade
shield using
gesso for the raised work in pastiglia style. Antonia has a great write-up on
some of the
things she's worked on/researchered here:
http://mymedievallife.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/renaissance-exhibition-in-canberr\
a-part-1/

Cheers,
katherine




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Barony of Southron Gaard, Kingdom of Lochac
mka Vicki Hyde, Webwright, wordsmith
printing, maps, children:  http://webcentre.co.nz/kk
Barony of Southron Gaard: http://sg.lochac.sca.org

#9145 From: "Hastings" <hodgepatch@...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2012 3:49 am
Subject: Re: parade shields
hastings_1066ad
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What great information, thank you for the link. I'm primarily a seamstress
dabbling in visual arts so it is wonderful to see good analysis. The mention of
Cennini's discussion of gesso ornaments for painting was nifty. I think I am
becoming a Cennino Cennini junky. The more I dip into "The Craftsman's Handbook"
the more things I want to try. Talk about rich primary sources. . . I just used
his instructions for block printing on linen and had a great time doing it.
We've had it on our scribal shelf for some time but it has only been recently
that I've tried dabbling in the other chapters.

Ever to your Service,
Praksedys Turova doch'
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> > Dvoryanka Praksedys Turova doch'
> > Speaking of non-registered heraldic displays, I wanted to thank you so much
> > for your information of parade shields and the pictures of the one you
> > made. I recently taught a class on impresa at one of our kingdom's
> > collegiums (Artemisia.) As part of the outgrowth of my research and
> > inspired by yours, i made my own "Tournament shield." Here's the finished
> > pictures
>
> Neat! Nice to read about the impresa reasoning too -- it can be a lot of fun
when you find
> something that "clicks" with you. It demonstrates how some things are common
between us
> modern-days folk and them back then.
>
> I'd love to go full-scale Field of Cloth of Gold and have a big tree covered
in these things for a
> tourney. One day....
>
> We have a very talented artist here who is doing interesting work on a parade
shield using
> gesso for the raised work in pastiglia style. Antonia has a great write-up on
some of the
> things she's worked on/researchered here:
>
http://mymedievallife.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/renaissance-exhibition-in-canberr\
a-part-1/
>
> Cheers,
> katherine
>
>
>
>
> =====================================
> katherine kerr of the Hermitage, in the Crescent Isles,
> Barony of Southron Gaard, Kingdom of Lochac
> mka Vicki Hyde, Webwright, wordsmith
> printing, maps, children:  http://webcentre.co.nz/kk
> Barony of Southron Gaard: http://sg.lochac.sca.org
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#9146 From: Danae Fesler <hobbit@...>
Date: Tue May 29, 2012 5:50 pm
Subject: For Jadwiga :)
Armoured_hobbit
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Greetings to the List and To Jadwiga,

I have News and an idea for your Panel for A.S. XLVII This Past Sunday at
Cynagua Coronet in The Kingdom of the West, Sir Mari Alexander Won the
tournamnet for the Coronet of Cynagua by her own hand.  Master Brocc of
Alderden,will be her Prince Consort when they step up At July Investiture.:)

Danaë aka Hobbit
Tired but happy Autocrat of Coronet


On May 15, 2012, at 5:52 AM, Carrot Khan wrote:

> http://carrotkhan.webs.com/asxxiv.htm
>
> Finished AS XXIV, or as I like to call it "The Red Panel".  Really -
> did they plan to match their color schemes?  ;)
>
> Managed to get it in a few days under deadline, which is awesome
> 'cause if I can create a big enough cushion time, I can work on those
> three Christmas stockings I need to have by this coming season!
>
> I am now starting on AS XXV, which is my _half_way_point_.  I can't
> believe.  I never thought I'd get this far.  I remember doing the
> outline of year one thinking "I'm insane, there's no way I'll ever
> finish this.  Its going to take forever".  Not quite forever, just a
> little over two years.
>
>
> *whew*
>
> Jadwiga
> Tapestry Chick
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#9147 From: Dee Cadoret <kitaye@...>
Date: Tue May 29, 2012 5:57 pm
Subject: Greetings and Introduction
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I am Kaolin of Harrowgate Heath( also called Kaolin of Harrowsheath),
Skraeling Althing, Ealdormere. I've been in the SCA since Jan 2011 and I
only found out about the challenge yesterday, while trying to find
resources for early period personae costuming.

My interests in A&S is varied and covers many different aspects from
woodworking to fibre arts. I am currently pursuing wood carving, wood
working, garb making, tablet weaving, wire work, illumination, shield
painting, and nalbinding.

I have done some embroidery, some banner painting, some shoemaking, and
some calligraphy in the last year and a half.

I still want to learn blacksmithing, silver smithing, pewter casting,
spinning, weaving, bow making, basket weaving, and just about anything
else I can learn. I'm a bit of a weirdo / geek I guess.

I am plan on joining the challenge, though I have as yet made up my mind
on what exactly I am going to do. Due to the short time available I am
considering the depth challenge and making 50 nalbound skull cap style
hats in wool. To make it a bit more challenging I am  going to use 10
different stitches, 5 caps per stitch. Does this seem reasonable for the
challenge? Any other thoughts?

#9148 From: Carrot Khan <carrot.khan@...>
Date: Tue May 29, 2012 6:18 pm
Subject: Re: For Jadwiga :)
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> Greetings to the List and To Jadwiga,
>
> I have News and an idea for your Panel for A.S. XLVII This Past Sunday at
Cynagua Coronet in The Kingdom of the West, Sir Mari Alexander Won the
tournamnet for the Coronet of Cynagua by her own hand. Master Brocc of
Alderden,will be her Prince Consort when they step up At July Investiture.:)
>
> Danaë aka Hobbit
> Tired but happy Autocrat of Coronet



Oh my goodness!

We've not had a Princess of her own hand of Cynagua yet?  (furiously
checks notes!)

Web site updated!  Come on ladies!  You still have a chance to get
yourself into the tapestry! ;)

thank you,
Jadwiga
Tapestry Chick

#9149 From: Siggi <AlbredaA@...>
Date: Tue May 29, 2012 8:13 pm
Subject: Re: Greetings and Introduction
albreda_aylese
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A: we are all weird and geeky.  Welcome!


B: you decide what you want to do.  It doesn't matter if it seems 'reasonable'
to us, as long as it sounds challenging and fun to you!


Enjoy, and welcome!
Albreda


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