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INJINJI LIGHTWEIGHT CREW TOESOCKS
BY FRANCES PENN
OWNER REVIEW
February 6, 2012

TESTER INFORMATION

NAME: Frances Penn
EMAIL: fpenn AT sbcglobal DOT net
AGE: 55
LOCATION: Costa Mesa, California, USA
GENDER: F
HEIGHT: 5' 9" (1.75 m)
WEIGHT: 130 lb (59.00 kg)

I have been backpacking for four years mostly on long weekends in Southern
California with one or two 5-day trips per year in the Sierras.  My daypack
weight is usually 15 lb [7 kg] and my backpack weight is usually 28-30 lb [13-14
kg].  I am a tent camper and have experienced snow camp once, all night rain
twice and heavy winds but mostly fair weather.

PRODUCT INFORMATION

Manufacturer:  Injinji
Year of Manufacture:  2011
Manufacturer's Website: <<HYPERLINK GOES HERE - "http://www.injinji.com/">>
MSRP: US$10.00
Model:  Lightweight Crew Toesocks
Color:  Black [also available in Heather Gray]
Materials:  75% CoolMax polyester, 22% Nylon and 3% Lycra
Size:  Women's Medium [Size S-XL available]
<<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "IMAGE 1"  IMAGE CAPTION = "from website">>

Types of toesocks available:
Lightweight, Original Weight, Midweight, Ex-celerator Compression Toesock in the
Performance Series, the Outdoor Series and the Yoga Series.  This review will
only address the lightweight crew length toesocks from the Performance Series.

Description: Individual anatomic toe sleeves form a thin anti-blister membrane
between toes to eliminate skin-against-skin friction. 2-ply construction
prevents sock movement and increases wicking and circulation.  Precisely
stitched heels deter bunching and help provide a comfortable fit and easy
layering.  Double-layered welt top maintains shape for long-lasting performance
and support.   The toesocks wick moisture, dry quickly and breathe well. Nylon
is added for durability.  The toesocks can be used as a liner under a
traditional hiking sock or worn alone.


FIELD USE

For the entire four years I have been hiking and backpacking, I have developed
blisters on my feet, specifically between my toes, on the outside edge of my
little toes, the bottoms of each toe that slid under the toe next to it while
hiking, and the outside edges of my heels.  I tried every thickness of sock
available, including traditional liner socks alone, liner socks under all
thicknesses of hiking socks, and expedition weight very thick hiking socks, in
an effort to find a solution to my blister problem.   I tried these toesocks as
a last ditch effort to try anything that might help my blister problem.  I was
extremely relieved that I didn't get a blister the first time I used them in
June 2011.   I have not developed blisters since using these toesocks as liner
socks under medium weight synthetic hiking socks.  I wear the crew length
toesocks because I prefer wearing high top hiking boots and socks.  These
toesocks come in various heights, including no-show, mini crew and crew.
<<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "IMAGE 2"  IMAGE CAPTION = "both toesocks">>

I have worn these toesocks as liner socks approximately 50 days of hiking and
backpacking on 2-3 day trips on most weekends in the spring, summer and fall,
and on my 5-day summer trips mostly on dirt trails with small amounts of rocky
cross-country sections included.

The toesocks dry quickly during rest periods and after removal at the end of the
day.  I wash them in the machine with my other hiking clothes and hang them to
dry.

I have worn the toesocks every day on all of my trips.  I take them off at the
end of the day and leave them on the floor of my tent.  They dry within a few
minutes.  The next morning, they are odor free and ready to be worn for another
day of hiking.  I am always looking for ways to lighten my pack and these
toesocks allow me to leave my extra socks at home.  They have retained their
shape and wicking properties after 5 days of daily use.  There is no bunching on
the subsequent days of wear.

The toesocks have not torn or stretched out of shape and remain odor free.

SUMMARY

I have not developed blisters while wearing these toesocks.  They take a little
practice to be sure each individual toe is placed correctly.  I have been
careful to place the seam on the top of my hiking socks above my little toe for
the most comfortable fit.  I am specifically impressed by the lack of wear of
these toesocks.
<<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "IMAGE 3"  IMAGE CAPTION = "Close-up showing no
wear">>

THINGS I LIKE

The lightweight, wicking material keeps my feet comfortable and dry on long days
of hiking and on multi-day trips.
The toesocks stay in place once placed on my feet with no slipping or bunching
under my hiking socks.
I have worn these toesocks for 5 days in a row and they performed well every day
of the trip.
The toesocks show no wear, they have not torn where the toes are attached, they
have retained their shape and are odor free.
They fit as tight as the first day I wore them.

THINGS I DON'T LIKE

They take a few extra moments to be sure the toesocks are placed on each
individual toe correctly, but well worth the extra effort.
The removal process takes a few extra moments to loosen each individual toe
prior to removing the socks.
There is not a big color selection available.


SIGNATURE

Frances Penn
E-mail:  fpenn AT sbcglobal DOT net


This report was created with the BGT Report Generator.
Copyright 2012.  All rights reserved.

Francis,

Change edits below, delete test report, and upload final to this folder:
http://tinyurl.com/6t5nf9b


AB
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INJINJI LIGHTWEIGHT CREW TOESOCKS
### EDIT: As the manufacturer categorizes their 'toesock' line by
activity, please properly refer to these as "Performance Lightweight Crew
Toesocks", and change any pertinent references throughout your report to
such as well.


February 6, 2012
### EDIT: Change to the current date.

Roger I think I got all the 'funnies' out of the HTML version. Should be good to
go
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/test/OWNER%20REVIEWS/OR%20-%20SOG%20Tech\
%20Bowie%20-%20Pete%20Jaworski/
thanks Pete

--- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Roger" <r.caffin@...> wrote:
>
> EDIT: SOG TECH BOWIE FIXED BLADE KNIFE, Pete Jaworski
>
> Hi Pete
>
> Good progress. There are some fine details to be fixed, but nothing much.
>
> You need to read through the web version after you have created it to look for
HTML 'funnies'. There are a few. Yep, more proof reading.
>
> Cheers
> Roger Caffin
> BGT Editor
> --------------------
> <font color="#FF0000" size="4">
> Comment: do you really want the OR all in red? It is not as readable as it
would be in black.
>
> > Frisco, TX, USA
> EDIT: given that we have non-USA readers who may not know what TX means, could
you spell it out please.
>
> > 240 lb (109.00 kg)
> EDIT: round off to 109 kg. I am sure your weight varies from day to day by
more than 100 g!
>
> > I will pack anywhere between minimalist (20 lbs or less) to a
> heavy pack (50 lbs plus)
> EDIT metric equivalents please. Yeah we hard-line that one.
>
> > PRODUCT INFORMATION
> > SOG TECH BOWIE FIXED BLADE KNIFE<br>BY PETE JAWORSKI<br>OR<br>January 31,
2012<br>
> EDIT: not sure what id happening here, but you don't want the heading repeated
here under Product Information.
>
>  > Manufacturer's Website: http://www.sogknives.com/
> EDIT: the web site needs to be 'clickable'. Let me know if you need help with
this.
>
> > Listed Weight: 11.2 oz  (317.5 g)
> EDIT: too much precision in the metric. 317 g is enough.
>
> > Country of Origin  Taiwan
> Edit: we aim for consistency if possible. You need a : after Origin.
>
> > Product Description
> Comment: you might like to make this into a small heading.
>
> > The TiNi is an extremely hard ceramic applied as a
> > thin coating. It' is used to
> EDIT: delete the apostrophe after It
>
> > harden and protect cutting and sliding surfaces.
> Comment: I would write 'protect the cutting ...', but you way is acceptable.
>
> > The knife was shipped in its sheath in SOG Logo box with paper.
> EDIT: 'in a SOG logo ...'
>
> > FIELD USE
> EDIT: this heading appears twice.
>
> > It has been extensively used to cut:  wood, climbing rope,
> Edit: you don't need the : after cut, and you haven't used it in the previous
sentences.
>
> > SUMMARY
> EDIT:
>
> > THINGS I LIKE
> Pros:
> Edit: I don't think you need both headings. You could skip thr 'Pros' as the
next heading is THINGS I DON'T LIKE
>
> >Cons:
> Edit: this should fit under THINGS I DON'T LIKE
>
> > Heavy for some people
> EDIT: this is extrapolating to what other people might think, and is a big
no-no at BGT. If you change this to something like 'A bit heavy' that would be
fine.
>

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=====================================================================
EDIT Team Members OOP (Out of Pocket)

Ray until Feb 27

=================================================================
AWAITING EDIT

Mike Pearl - MARMOT HYPER JACKET – Posted Feb 15(msg#80933),

BP - Alex Legg - Dublin Dog Black-Eyed Susan No Stink Collar - Posted Feb
15(msg#80934),

BP - Erin Foudy - Ergo Baby Performance Baby Carrier - Posted Feb 18(msg#80942),
Revised Feb 19,

Theresa Lawrence (1) - Whiz Easy Urinating Aid – Posted Feb 14(msg#80925) – As
of Feb 20, awaiting a bit more field use, Revised Feb 20(80955),

====================================================================
TAKEN BY AN EDITOR/EDITED

RAY - Jason Wendel(1) - COLEMAN DUAL FUEL 533 STOVE – Posted Jan 17 (msg#80871),
On hold pending use clarification, Revised Jan 31 (80895), Taken Feb 12, Edit
Feb 12 (80915),

ROGER - Pete Jaworski(1) - SOG TECH BOWIE FIXED BLADE KNIFE - Posted Feb
1(msg#80898), Revised Feb 1 (80907), Taken Feb 14, Edit Feb 14 (80921), Repost
Feb 19,  Edit Feb 20(80953), Repost Feb 21, Edit fEb 24 (80963), Repost Feb 26,

=====================================================================
APPROVED AND AWAITING UPLOAD

AB - Frances Penn(2) – Injinji Lightweight Crew Toesocks - Posted Feb
6(msg#80905), Revised Feb 8 (80908), Taken Feb 20, Edit Feb 20 (80957), Repost
Feb 24, Edit/approved Feb 25(80966),

====================================================================
REVIEWS ON HOLD

James Kodaras(1) - New Balance MO 10 – Posted Feb 10 (msg#80909), On hold
pending use clarification as of Feb 11,

Justin Potts(1) - OSPREY STRATOS 34 – Posted Feb 21 (msg#80961) - On hold
pending use clarification as of Feb 26,

=================================================================
NOT ADDED to the Queue at this time

Bill Butt(1) - COLEMAN HIKING BOOTS - Posted Jan 2 (msg#80840), moved to
mentoring

Laurent Passe(1) – TNF hat – Posted Jan 27(msg#80882), - Referred to mentoring

==============================================================
EDITED OR APPROVED; WAITING FOR WRITER'S ACTION

OSPREY STRATOS 34
BY JUSTIN POTTS
OR
February 26, 2012

TESTER INFORMATION

NAME: Justin Potts
EMAIL: Justpottsy@...
AGE: 21
LOCATION: Oklahoma
GENDER: M
HEIGHT: 5' 8" (1.73 m)
WEIGHT: 180 lb (81.60 kg)

Just recently have I been introduced to the backpacking community in 2011, but I
fell in love with it, and I fell hard! Not a weekend goes by that I am not out
in the wilderness somewhere. I have roughly 2,000 miles of hiking/backpacking
experience over this last year in Oklahoma's Witchita Wildlife Refuge, and bits
and pieces of the Rocky Mountains in New Mexico, and Colorado. But I have only
just begun my backpacking portfolio.


PRODUCT INFORMATION

Manufacturer: Osprey
Year of Manufacture: 2011
Manufacturer's Website: http://www.ospreypacks.com/
MSRP: $129.00 USD
Listed Weight: 2lbs 13 oz (1.28 kg) (For the size L)
Shipping Weight: 3lbs (1.36 kg)
The Osprey Stratos has the following Key Design Features:
Lifetime Manufacturer's Warranty
Hydration Compatible (bladder not included)
Ice Ax Attachment
Quick Stow Trekking Pole Loops
InsideOut Compression
Integrated Raincover
Large Zippered Main Compartment
Smaller Zippered Compartment with Internal Organization Pockets
Shoulderstrap Pocket
Zippered Hipbelt Pockets


FIELD USE

The Osprey Stratos is by far my go to pack for short day hikes, long day to
overnight hikes, and everything in between. I even carry my books to school in
it during the week (which in Pharmacy school pushes the maxload limit).  I use
this pack almost constantly, but for its intended purpose, as a day pack, I
would say that I have used it on roughly 55 hard days of hiking. After it is set
with a maxload of 30 lbs (13.61 Kg), it is easy to forget it is still right
behind me. I have abused this pack in every which way it could be putting the
Osprey Lifetime Anything Warranty to the test, but has yet to fail in any way. I
carry this pack on most of my weekend. It has seen snow, light showers, and
sleet but has kept its contents dry. I have drug this pack up the rock on
multi-pitch climbs and still has not torn. This pack also has a suspended mesh
back panel to keep your back from getting lathered in sweat during the summer,
and for winter use I stuff an extra layer in that area to block the venting. On
a more negative note the hip belt straps are excessively long, leaving almost 2
ft. (60 cm) excess on each side. Also the pack has an awkward shape. It seems
almost as if though it could have been formed different to give it a little bit
more volume. Lastly, the zipper does not run the full length of the Stratos like
other Osprey zippered entry packs do.


SUMMARY

This pack like almost all Osprey packs is made of  210D double ripstop nylon and
420HD nylon pack cloth which gives it excellent durability and weather
resistance which is great for those pop up showers in the mountains. Internal
frame provides additional support and rigidity. The Stratos has most, if not
all, of the bells and whistles found on modern packs: hydration compatible,
included rainfly with stow pouch, hipbelt pockets, and literally a whistle on
the chest strap. My favorite feature of this pack is the numerous pockets for
organization; the smaller pocket has pockets inside of it, two water bottle
pockets on the sides, two hipbelt pockets, and a mesh pocket in the main
compartment.The Stratos has ample compression straps to really cinch down
awkward loads, as well as load adjustment straps to fine tune its position. This
pack is a zipper front load design, but it has a small mesh pocket hanging
inside the main compartment accessed by the small zipper on the top to act as a
brain. The Stratos has dual hydration ports and a dedicated pocket for up to a 3
L (100 oz) bladder.


THINGS I LIKE

1. Durabilty
2. Amount of organization pockets
3. Zippered main compartment


THINGS I DON'T LIKE

1. Extra long hipbelt straps
2. Could have more room
3. Zipper not full length




This report was created with the BGT Report Generator.
Copyright 2012.  All rights reserved.

Hi Pete

> I think I got all the 'funnies' out of the HTML version
> should be good to go
> let me know if you see anything else
> http://www.pof.com/viewprofile.aspx?profile_id=27149882.htm

One of our strict rules is that ORs must be posted in the Test/Owner Reviews
folder so other editors and Mods and other contributors can all see them.
Could you post it there please and let me know with the URL to it.

Cheers
Roger Caffin

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the Owner Review. I have a few edits for you. Once corrected you can
place the final version at:
Reviews > Rain Gear > Jackets and Pants > Marmot Hyper Jacket
Ray


***Material: 100% Nylon stretch 1.6 oz/yd fabric

EDIT: need the metric conversion



***Features: MemBrain® Strata™ lamination

Edit: we are asked to drop the ® and ™'s from our reviews. Just keep the proper
spelling.



*** Marmot uses a lamination process called MemBrain® Strata™ that makes a 2.5
layer coated fabric a 20,000 mm waterproof and 20,000 gr breathablilty rating.

EDIT: that "gives the" 2.5 layer coated fabric



***As well as three weekend backpacking trips one with a half day of rain.

EDIT: use a comma after "trips"



***And a week long backpacking trip with a day and a half of rain.

EDIT: week-long



***Temperatures varied greatly from mid 30's F ( -1 C) to low 90's F ( 32 C).

EDIT: remove the spaces immediately inside the parenthesis. (-1 C) (32 C)



*** In the colder temps a insulating layer was a must.

EDIT: "an" insulating



***The draw cords on the hood and hem along with the velcro cuffs

EDIT: Velcro (proper name)



*** When everything is batten down tight

EDIT: battened



*** (Rubber band sold seperately.)

EDIT: separately



*** The fabrics smooth finish allows it to easily slid in and out of my pack.

EDIT: to easily "slide"

Hello again Alex. Thanks for taking the Call for Owner Reviews to heart. Here
are the edits for this one.

Please repost when ready.

Ray



***Actual Weight:

EDIT: you are missing it



***Size: Large - 17 in-21.5 (43 cm-55 cm) in circumference

EDIT: missing the "in" after 21.5
  Another way to write these numbers would be 17-21.5 in (43-55 cm) and then you
would not need it after each number. Your choice though.



***Available Sizes: Small - 11 in-14 in (28 cm-36 cm) circumference; 0.6 (2 cm)
in band width.  Medium - 12.5 in-17 in (32 cm-43 cm) circumference; 1 in (3 cm)
band width.  Large - 17 in-21.5 in (43 cm-55 cm)circumference; 1 in (3 cm) band
width

Edit: I would change this to Other Sizes Available and drop the Large as you
just listed it above.



***Color: Red and Black

EDIT: actually they don't list their collars by color except for the Solid
Stripe series. Your color is Black Eyed Susan from the Daisy Daze series.



***Available Colors: Red and Black

EDIT: don't list what they have available as it is too much info and can be seen
on the web-site.



***MSRP: Small-US $24.00; Medium-US $26.00; Large-US $28.00

EDIT: please list just the MSRP of the item you are reviewing, in this case the
large



***  It is adorned with pretty little yellow and white flowers.

Comment, they are  Black Eyed Susan's, hence the name



***It has a stainless steel belt buckle that leads to a plastic belt loop and
then into a stainless steel belt loop where the dog tags are to be clasped on.

EDIT: delete the word "belt" as they are just buckles, or collar buckles, not
belt buckles. The actual name of what is on the collar is a Single Tongue buckle



***The collar feels like a plastic,

EDIT: like a plastic what? Do you mean it feels like it is made of plastic?



***This Collar is on my dog all the time,

EDIT: collar (no cap)



***  The elevation is at around 2,000 ft (610 m), and the temperature ranges
from 60 F (16 C)to 110 F

EDIT: need a space after (16 C)



***I have taken it off her to clean it with my thumbs under a water faucet, but
thats it.

EDIT: but "that's" it



*** It doesn't smell like wet, stinky dog, or like my parents never clean me and
we live on the street dog.

EDIT: I didn't get what you were trying to say at first. The way to express that
is with hyphens; or like my-parents-never clean-me-and-we-live-on-the-street
dog.



***  Considering the hundreds of miles Ebony has trekked

EDIT: miles/kilometers



***  My dogs are not lazy lay around the house dogs.

EDIT: My dogs are not lazy lay-around-the-house dogs.

Ray, thank you for the time you take to edit my reports.  It's been a long
journey, and I am slowly getting better.  I hope it's not too painful for you. 
Repost HTML: http://tinyurl.com/7vdnq5j

Dublin Dog Black-Eyed Susan No Stink Collar
Owner Review by Alex Legg
February 7th, 2012


Reviewer Information:
Name:  Alex Legg
Age:  30
Gender:  Male
Height:  6'4" (1.9 m)
Weight:  195 lbs (88 kg)
Email address:  alexlegg2 AT yahoo DOT com
City, State, Country:  Tucson, Arizona, USA

Canine Information:
Name: Ebony
Breed: German Shepherd Mix
Age: 14
Gender: Female
Height at shoulder: 24.5 in (62 cm)
Weight: 70 lb (32 kg)


Backpacking Background:
My dogs and I hike  mountain ranges near Tucson, Arizona during winter, Colorado
during summer.  I carry a light pack, mostly water.  I tend to camp with a tarp
whenever possible to reduce the weight of my two person tent.  Primarily I do
day hikes, but I am known to spend 5 days out.  Temperatures range from extreme
winter to 100 F (38 C), and elevation from 2000' (600 m) to 14,000' (4,300 m). 
I bag a mountain every weekend, and walk my dogs daily through deep sand and
overgrown mesquite trees in our local washes.

Product Information and Specifications:
Manufacturer: Dublin Dog Company
Year of Manufacture: 2010
URL: https://www.dublindog.com
Listed Weight: Not listed
Actual Weight: 3.1 oz (88 g)
Size: Large - 17 in-21.5 in (43 cm-55 cm) in circumference; 1 in (3 cm) band
width
Other Available Sizes: Small - 11 in-14 in (28 cm-36 cm) circumference; 0.6 (2
cm) in band width.  Medium - 12.5 in-17 in (32 cm-43 cm) circumference; 1 in (3
cm) band width.
Color: Black Eyed Susan from the Daisy Daze series
MSRP: Large-US $28.00


Product Description:
The Dublin Dog Black-Eyed Susan No Stink Collar is said by the manufacturer to
be created from a special blend of synthetic polymers that will not absorb
moisture, retain dirt, or harbor bacteria.  The collar is black on the inside
portion that faces the dog, and red and black on the outside portion.  It is
adorned with pretty little yellow and white flowers.  It has a stainless steel
buckle that leads to a plastic loop and then into a stainless steel loop where
the dog tags are to be clasped on.
The collar feels life it's made of plastic, but with the range of movement and
flexibility of leather material.  The Dublin Dog four leaf clover is engraved
into the stainless steel belt buckle, and the words Dublin Dog are engraved into
the stainless steel belt loop.  The Dublin Dog logo of a Labrador is imprinted
on the opposite end of the plastic collar.
There are nine different belt notches to customized to the size of my dogs neck.
In the winter she generally needs a looser size to accommodate her long hair,
and in the summer she has to tighten it up or it will be lost over her head
whenever she decides that she wants to go off leash.

Field Conditions:
This collar is on my dog all the time, but I will highlight a few places that
she wears it to give an idea of what the collar is put through on a daily basis.

We take daily walks of about 4 miles (6.4 km) through deep sand and overgrown
mesquite trees in our local washes.  The elevation is at around 2,000 ft (610
m), and the temperature ranges from 60 F (16 C) to 110 F (43 C) depending on the
time on year and time of day.

The collar has taken many trips in the Santa Rita mountain range south of
Tucson.  The elevation in the range is from around 5,000 ft (1,524 m) to 9,453
ft (2,881 m), and temperatures range from freezing to near 100 F (38 C)
depending on the time of year and time of day.

My dog has also taken this collar on many ventures into Pike National Forest in
Colorado.  Elevation has ranged from around 6,000 ft (1,829 m) to 12,000 ft
(3,658 m), and temperatures from freezing to around 80 F (27 C) depending on the
time of year and time of day.

Performance:
In Ebony's 14 years on this planet, we have tried out many, many different
collar options.  Generally, dog collars are either made from leather, or from
some synthetic material.  Both of the regular collar types eventually get so
smelly and muddy that I get rid of them.  If that doesn't happen first, they
tend to break off at the most inopportune times.
The Dublin Dog company has created a great product in my opinion!  Ebony has
worn this collar every day for over two years now.  I have taken it off her to
clean it with my thumbs under a water faucet, but that's it.  It dries almost
immediately and harbors no bad odor.  There is the slightest odor to it, but it
just smells like my dog. It doesn't smell like wet, stinky dog, or like
my-parents-never-clean-me-and-we-live-on-the-street dog.  It only smells like
her, which I think isn't so bad.
The collar appears to be just as strong as it ever was, the belt notches have
hardly even stretched out and don't show any signs of wear.  Over time the area
of the collar that rests directly beneath her chin has began to discolor from
red to black.  I actually think that this is just the red color wearing away to
show the black color below.  Considering the hundreds of miles/kilometers Ebony
has trekked through sand, water, and snow, I feel that this is expectable and it
has not lessened the strength of the collar.  She weighs around 70 lb (32 kg)
and when she pulls on her leash to chase my neighbor's cat, the Dublin Dog
collar holds her right in place.

Summary:
I have since purchased another Dublin Dog collar for my other dog who is
coincidently named Dublin.  I am very happy with both collars.  My dogs are not
lazy lay-around-the-house-dogs.  They are out in the mountains and in the washes
on a daily basis pushing as far as they can go.  They beat up very other collar
I bought for them prior to these.  I was probably buying two collars per dog per
year for far too long.  It sure is nice when a company makes a good product. 
The gear that I like the most is the gear that I never have to think about while
out in the elements. The Dublin Dog collar has  given me the peace of mind that
only good gear can do and allowed me to occupy my mind with more important
things.

Pros:
1.  No funky odor.
2.  Waterproof;
3.  Durable

Cons:
I have no complaints about this product.

Check out more at  http://www.thatsnotcamping.com/?p=1644
<http://www.thatsnotcamping.com/?p=1644>
--- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Spagga" <chef_pete@...> wrote:
>
> SOG TECH BOWIE FIXED BLADE KNIFE
> BY PETE JAWORSKI
> OR
> January 31, 2012
>
> TESTER INFORMATION
>
> NAME: Pete Jaworski
> EMAIL: chef_pete@...
> AGE: 40
> LOCATION: Frisco, TX, USA
> GENDER: M
> HEIGHT: 6' 0" (2.08 m)
> WEIGHT: 240 lb (109.00 kg)
>
> I have been a hiker, camper and climber since my childhood (7/8 years
old).  Most of my experience is weekend and occasional week long treks
on the Appalachian Trail (NJ/PA north to Maine).  In Texas I encounter
more temperate and low altitude camping.  Depending on climate and
terrain, I will pack anywhere between minimalist (20 lbs or less) to a
heavy pack (50 lbs plus) with many creature comforts.
>
> PRODUCT INFORMATION
>
> SOG TECH BOWIE FIXED BLADE KNIFE
> BY PETE JAWORSKI
> OR
> January 31, 2012
>
> TESTER INFORMATION
>
> NAME: Pete Jaworski
> EMAIL: chef_pete@...
> AGE: 40
> LOCATION: Frisco, TX, USA
> GENDER: M
> HEIGHT: 6' 0" (2.08 m)
> WEIGHT: 240 lb (109.00 kg)
>
> I have been a hiker, camper and climber since my childhood (7/8 years
old).  Most of my experience is weekend and occasional week long treks
on the Appalachian Trail (NJ/PA north to Maine).  In Texas I encounter
more temperate and low altitude camping.  Depending on climate and
terrain, I will pack anywhere between minimalist (20 lbs or less) to a
heavy pack (50 lbs plus) with many creature comforts.
>
> PRODUCT INFORMATION
>
> Manufacturer: SOG Specialty Knives & Tools, LLC
> Year of Manufacture:  2010
> Manufacturer's Website: http://www.sogknives.com/
> MSRP: US$ 207.00
> Listed Weight: 11.2 oz  (317.51g)
> Actual Weight: 10.9 oz  (308g) Knife only
> <<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "IMAGE 2"  IMAGE CAPTION = "SOG TECH
BOWIE">>
>
> Other details:
> Kydex Sheath Included
> Sheath Weight: 3.6oz  (102g)
> Blade Length/ Width:  6.4" x .24"   (16.3cm x 6.1mm)
> Actual Length/ Width: 6.4" x .24"   (16.3cm x 6.1mm)
> Actual Cutting Edge: 5.5"  (13.97cm)
> Overall Length 11"  (27.9cm)
> Edge:  Straight
> Steel: AUS 8
> HRC : 57-58
> Handle:  Kraton
> Finish  Hardcased Black TiNi
> Country of Origin  Taiwan
> <<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "IMAGE 1"  IMAGE CAPTION = "Kydex
Sheath">>
>
> SOG Warranty Information
>
> All SOG products are guaranteed against defects in workmanship and
materials for the life of the original purchaser.  This guarantee is
voided (as determined by SOG) by misuse, abuse, improper maintenance, or
alterations of the product and does not cover any normal wear or tear
that might occur. Using your SOG folding blade or fixed blade knife for
any purpose other than cutting or puncturing is considered abuse and may
void your warranty.
>
> Product Description
> The Tech Bowie - Black TiNi (hereafter referred to as the "knife" or
"Bowie") is a single edge fixed blade tool.  The blade is hard cased in
black TiNi so as to not reflect light. The TiNi is an extremely hard
ceramic applied as a thin coating. It's used to harden and protect
cutting and sliding surfaces.   The knife is full tang, meaning that the
metal continues through the full-length of the handle.  The handle has a
4.8 mm hole drilled through the steel end of the handle; this can be
used as an attachment point for a lanyard or other survival type rope.
The SOG Insignia and Tech Bowie Name are etched (in white) into the left
side of the blade, and TIWAN on the right side.  The handle has SOG
specialty knives printed into the handle on both sides.
>  The Kydex Sheath (hereafter referred to as the "sheath") is a hard
plastic type material. It has the SOG name stamped through the edge end,
and multiple attachment points for lashing to gear and tactical
MOLLE/PALS systems .  There is a flexible snap closure that connects
around the knife handle and keeps it secured in the sheath.  The sheath
also has a belt loop attachment so it can be worn on the hip.
> This knife was purchased in the fall of 2010 and has traveled with me
on every hiking trip, camping outing and day hike excursion I have ever
gone on.  I usually keep this knife on my person (when not at work) or
in my vehicle.
> The knife was shipped in its sheath in SOG Logo box with paper.
Enclosed also was a fixed blade product information brochure, including
maintenance instructions and warranty information.  The blade was
extremely sharp coming out of the box and ready to use.
>
>
> FIELD USE
>
> FIELD USE
> I have used this knife at altitudes between -75' (-22.86m) to over
8000 Feet (2438m).  Temperatures have ranged from -3 F (-19 C) to over
110 F (43 C). Conditions have been full sun, rain, heavy fog,
thunderstorms, freezing rain and snow storms.  It has been in desert
conditions in Big Bend National Park to Blizzard conditions on Mount
Washington Maine
> The knife has been used to field dress deer and other game, filet
fish, open cans and live shellfish.  It has been extensively used to
cut:  wood, climbing rope, accessory cord and webbing, hair, clothing,
brush (live and dead vegetation), branches, plastic (Cable Ties), paper
and cardboard, duct tape, and my hand (once, and it performed
extraordinarily well at that).
>
> This knife has also been used several times as a wood splitter in
conjunction with a larger wood log/branch as a hammer (not recommended
by manufacturer), as a pry tool for separating wood (not recommended by
manufacturer), several times as a digging tool for cat holes (not
recommended by manufacturer).   It has been lashed to the end of wood
and used as a fishing spear (no recommendation by manufacturer).  It has
once or twice been thrown at trees and plywood (not recommended by
manufacturer).  The knife has also been stabbed into logs, picnic tables
and sheetrock.  It has also been used to lift Dutch Ovens from fire pits
and as a general cooking tool.
>
> I have sharpened this knife several times using a wet stone and/or
tri stone combination and am able to refresh the blade using a burr
steel from time to time.  The blade does not have any knicks/notches or
obvious damage and the Black TiNi coating has held up very well through
heavy usage.
>
>
> SUMMARY
>
> SUMMARY
> Over all I am very impressed with the quality of the blade and how
long it keeps an edge, considering the rigors and amount of use it does
get.  The knife is heavy, part of the reason I bought it, I wanted a
"meaty" blade to hold up to use and often abuse.  This knife has
outperformed other fixed blades I have owned in the past by far.
>
>
> THINGS I LIKE
>
> Pros:
> Hard blade
> Holds a great edge for a long time
> Optional accessories available
>
>
>
> THINGS I DON'T LIKE
>
> I did become disenchanted with the stock sheath and decided to upgrade
to the SEAL team nylon sheath ($25.00 US) this gave me the same
attachment and belt loop capabilities but added a Velcro closure over
the handle and exterior Velcro pouch for the stowage of a multi tool.
>  <<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "IMAGE 3"  IMAGE CAPTION = "SEAL TEAM
SHEATH">>
> Cons:
> Heavy for some people
>
>
> SIGNATURE
>
> Pete Jaworski
>
> --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "R&S Caffin" r.caffin@ wrote:
> >
> > Hi Pete
> >
> > Welcome to BGT
> >
> > A good start, with most of the needed technical detail. However, you
need to
> > use a spell checker before posting. Lots of small spelling errors.
> >
> > EDIT: must
> > Edit: recommend
> > Comment: consider
> >
> > OK, fix and repost, this time with HTML. We strongly encourage
including
> > pics, even with your first OR.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Roger Caffin
> > Editor
> > --------------------------
> > > The Tech Bowie - Black TiNi (hereafter refered to as the "knife"
or
> > > "Bowie")
> > > Is a single edge fixed blade tool.
> > EDIT: 'is a ' (no cap)
> >
> > > The blade is hardcased in black TiNi
> > Comment: I am sure many readers will want to know just what is
'black TiNi'.
> > If you can add some info about that here it would be good.
> >
> > > the metal continues throught the fulllength of the handle.
> > EDIT: 'full length'
> >
> > >  The handle has 3/16' (4.762mm)  hole in the steel end
> > EDIT: I rather think that should be 3/16" (inch, not foot)
> > EDIT: 3/16" is not high precision, so quote the metric to a similar
> > precision - say 4.8 mm
> >
> > > of the handle, This can be used as an
> > EDIT: handle, this (no cap)
> >
> > > a lanyard or other type survival rope.
> > Edit: I think 'survival-type rope'?
> >
> > > in to the lefft side of the blade
> > EDIT: spell check!
> >
> > > and TIWAN on right  the handle has SOG speciality knives releif
printed
> > EDIT: 'on the right.'
> > EDIT: 'relief'
> >
> > > The Kydex  Sheath (hearafter refered to as the "sheath")
> > EDIT: hereafter
> >
> > > It has the SOG name Stamped through the edge end,
> > EDIT: 'stamped'
> >
> > > and multiple attachement points for lashing to gear and MOLE.
> > EDIT: errr ... 'MOLE'?
> >
> > > The knife was shipped in sheath in SOG Logo box with paper
> > EDIT: 'The knife was shipped in its sheath in a SOG Logo box with
paper'
> >
> > > I use this knife
> > Edit: it would read much better in the past tense: 'I have used...'
> >
> > > in altitudes between -75' (-22.86m) below sea level
> > Edit: 'at altitudes' is normal
> >
> > > Temperatures have ranged -3 °F (-19 °C) to over 110 °F
(43 °C).
> > EDIT: 'have ranged from -3 F ...'
> > Edit: we follow ISO rules for temperature: no degree symbol. So it
should
> > be -3 F (-19 C) etc
> >
> > > manufacturer). Several times as a digging tool
> > Edit: to be consistent: 'manufacturer), several times ...'
> >
> > > how long it keeps and edge,
> > EDIT: an edge
> >
> > > the seal team nylon sheath ($25.00 US)  this gave me the same
attachment
> > EDIT: ($25.00 US). This
> >
> > > 972.658.6544
> > Edit: I suggest you do NOT include this information.
> >
>



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RAY - Jason Wendel(1) - COLEMAN DUAL FUEL 533 STOVE – Posted Jan 17 (msg#80871),
On hold pending use clarification, Revised Jan 31 (80895), Taken Feb 12, Edit
Feb 12 (80915),

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EDIT: SOG TECH BOWIE FIXED BLADE KNIFE, Pete Jaworski

Hi Pete

Nearly!
A couple of little things left over from the last round. Could you fix these
please and repost the HTML as before, then you should be good.

Cheers
Roger Caffin
BGT Editor
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> WEIGHT: 240 lb (109.00 kg)
EDIT: round off to 109 kg. I am sure your weight varies from day to day by
more than 100 g!

> Product Description
EDIT: make this into a small heading.

> Heavy for some people
EDIT: this is extrapolating to what other people might think, and is a big
no-no at BGT. Change this to something like 'A bit heavy' - leave out the
'for some people'

COLEMAN DUAL FUEL 533 STOVE
BY JASON WENDEL
OR
February 28, 2012

TESTER INFORMATION

NAME: Jason Wendel
EMAIL: campingwscouts AT gmail DOT com
AGE: 34
LOCATION: Salt Lake City, Utah
GENDER: M
HEIGHT: 6' 1" (1.85 m)
WEIGHT: 170 lb (77.10 kg)

Backpacking Background:  I have been backpacking for over 20 years,
starting as a scout, and now as a scout leader.  I enjoy taking Boy Scouts
on monthly campouts and challenging their abilities and mine.  I typically
carry a 40-45 lb (18-20 kg) pack for a week-long trip, and a 25-30 lb
(11-13 kg) for an overnighter.

PRODUCT INFORMATION

Manufacturer: The Coleman, Inc.
Year of Purchase: 2002
Manufacturer's Website: <<HYPERLINK GOES HERE - "http://www.coleman.com"
LINK TEXT = "Website">>
MSRP: US $79.99
Listed Weight: 14.5 oz (411 g)
Measured Weight: 14.5 oz (411 g)
Other details: Burns White Gas or Unleaded Fuel
1.1 pint (0.52 L) fuel capacity
Burner: 10,500 BTU on high
Boils a quart of water in 4 minutes
# of Campout Nights used:  20+

FIELD USE

<<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "Coleman Dual Fuel 533">>
I have used the Coleman Dual Fuel 533 on many backpacking trips ranging
from a overnighters to a week-long trip near Kings Peak in Utah.  Usually
on overnighters I am with 6-10 Boy Scouts and we can get by with just the
fuel in the stove if I fill it before I go (if we have one other stove as
well).  On longer trips I bring a MSR Fuel bottle and can make it last for
a whole week.

I have used this stove on backpacking trips up to 13,000 feet (3,962 m) in
elevation, and in temperatures down to 5 degrees F (-15 C).  I have never
had a problem with its function or use.

I like to cut weight wherever I can, but I would rather use this bulkier
stove than a lightweight canister type stove for a few reasons.  I have
used a canister type stove when it was pretty cold and at a high elevation
and it wouldn't use up all the fuel in the canister.  It's also hard for
meto tell how much fuel is left in the canister.  With the Coleman Dual
Fuel 533 I can easily fill it up with fuel before a trip and know that I
can make it.  With a canister, it's hard for me to tell how much is in a
used canister so I either risk it by taking it, or I take a spare that I
don't need, or I buy a new one for each trip (resulting in many half empty
bottles in my garage).

The plunger on the pump is made out of rubber.  I have had a few Coleman
stoves and after I had one dry up and crack (making it useless), I have
replaced them all with leather plungers.  They hold the oil better and
create a better seal.

SUMMARY

I would recommend this stove to anyone who wants a durable, well built and
useful backpacking stove.

THINGS I LIKE

With a few quick instructions I can teach a scout how to use it effectively
and properly.
It's durable and holds up to quite a bit of abuse.

It runs on White Gas or Unleaded Gas, which both are easy to buy, and both
burn well at low temperatures (I've tried using a propane stove on a
snowcave campout and quickly found that the propane doesn't come out of the
tank when it's below freezing, white gas works great).

THINGS I DON'T LIKE

It is heavy, and bulky.

It has no legs.  So when it is used on uneven ground, I have to either dig
in a level spot, or build one up.  Flexible legs would allow it to be used
in more locations easier.

The rubber plunger dries out and cracks easily.

SIGNATURE

Jason Wendel
<<HYPERLINK GOES HERE - "http://campingwithscouts.blogspot.com/" LINK TEXT
= "Check out my blog on camping with scouts">>



This report was created with the BGT Report Generator.
Copyright 2012.  All rights reserved.

--
-Scout Camper


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OK Alex, this looks better. Go ahead at place the review at:

Reviews > Animal Companion Gear > Dog Wear > Dublin Dog No Stink Collar

Make sure to delete your test version also.

See you down the trail,

Ray

Hi Jason,

Not only did you skip a lot of the edits I gave you last time, you still don't
have a product description. I am putting this review on hold. I suggest that you
join the mentoring program to help you figure out what you need to do. You can
request a mentor by
sending an email to the mentor coordinator  Jenn, at mentor@...

As I said before, a stove has a lot to talk about. They are a complicated item.
Remember that you are writing these reviews to show us that you can test gear.
This would not work for a stove test. Did you look at reports and reviews from
veteran testers like I suggested?

Why don't you think about doing something simple for your first review? It will
be much easier on you (not having to do so many re-writes). Save this for down
the road when you have the process down better.

Good luck, I look forward to working with you after you get some help.

Ray

I was reading your review, (nice review btw, I'll have to try these out) but I
noticed a typo in your summary: "They beat up very other collar I bought for
them prior to these" where 'very' should be "every".

Just trying to help,

Cheers,

Pottsy


--- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "alex" <alexlegg2@...> wrote:
>
> Ray, thank you for the time you take to edit my reports.  It's been a long
journey, and I am slowly getting better.  I hope it's not too painful for you. 
Repost HTML: http://tinyurl.com/7vdnq5j
>
> Dublin Dog Black-Eyed Susan No Stink Collar
> Owner Review by Alex Legg
> February 7th, 2012
>
>
> Reviewer Information:
> Name:  Alex Legg
> Age:  30
> Gender:  Male
> Height:  6'4" (1.9 m)
> Weight:  195 lbs (88 kg)
> Email address:  alexlegg2 AT yahoo DOT com
> City, State, Country:  Tucson, Arizona, USA
>
> Canine Information:
> Name: Ebony
> Breed: German Shepherd Mix
> Age: 14
> Gender: Female
> Height at shoulder: 24.5 in (62 cm)
> Weight: 70 lb (32 kg)
>
>
> Backpacking Background:
> My dogs and I hike  mountain ranges near Tucson, Arizona during winter,
Colorado during summer.  I carry a light pack, mostly water.  I tend to camp
with a tarp whenever possible to reduce the weight of my two person tent. 
Primarily I do day hikes, but I am known to spend 5 days out.  Temperatures
range from extreme winter to 100 F (38 C), and elevation from 2000' (600 m) to
14,000' (4,300 m).  I bag a mountain every weekend, and walk my dogs daily
through deep sand and overgrown mesquite trees in our local washes.
>
> Product Information and Specifications:
> Manufacturer: Dublin Dog Company
> Year of Manufacture: 2010
> URL: https://www.dublindog.com
> Listed Weight: Not listed
> Actual Weight: 3.1 oz (88 g)
> Size: Large - 17 in-21.5 in (43 cm-55 cm) in circumference; 1 in (3 cm) band
width
> Other Available Sizes: Small - 11 in-14 in (28 cm-36 cm) circumference; 0.6 (2
cm) in band width.  Medium - 12.5 in-17 in (32 cm-43 cm) circumference; 1 in (3
cm) band width.
> Color: Black Eyed Susan from the Daisy Daze series
> MSRP: Large-US $28.00
>
>
> Product Description:
> The Dublin Dog Black-Eyed Susan No Stink Collar is said by the manufacturer to
be created from a special blend of synthetic polymers that will not absorb
moisture, retain dirt, or harbor bacteria.  The collar is black on the inside
portion that faces the dog, and red and black on the outside portion.  It is
adorned with pretty little yellow and white flowers.  It has a stainless steel
buckle that leads to a plastic loop and then into a stainless steel loop where
the dog tags are to be clasped on.
> The collar feels life it's made of plastic, but with the range of movement and
flexibility of leather material.  The Dublin Dog four leaf clover is engraved
into the stainless steel belt buckle, and the words Dublin Dog are engraved into
the stainless steel belt loop.  The Dublin Dog logo of a Labrador is imprinted
on the opposite end of the plastic collar.
> There are nine different belt notches to customized to the size of my dogs
neck.  In the winter she generally needs a looser size to accommodate her long
hair, and in the summer she has to tighten it up or it will be lost over her
head whenever she decides that she wants to go off leash.
>
> Field Conditions:
> This collar is on my dog all the time, but I will highlight a few places that
she wears it to give an idea of what the collar is put through on a daily basis.
>
> We take daily walks of about 4 miles (6.4 km) through deep sand and overgrown
mesquite trees in our local washes.  The elevation is at around 2,000 ft (610
m), and the temperature ranges from 60 F (16 C) to 110 F (43 C) depending on the
time on year and time of day.
>
> The collar has taken many trips in the Santa Rita mountain range south of
Tucson.  The elevation in the range is from around 5,000 ft (1,524 m) to 9,453
ft (2,881 m), and temperatures range from freezing to near 100 F (38 C)
depending on the time of year and time of day.
>
> My dog has also taken this collar on many ventures into Pike National Forest
in Colorado.  Elevation has ranged from around 6,000 ft (1,829 m) to 12,000 ft
(3,658 m), and temperatures from freezing to around 80 F (27 C) depending on the
time of year and time of day.
>
> Performance:
> In Ebony's 14 years on this planet, we have tried out many, many different
collar options.  Generally, dog collars are either made from leather, or from
some synthetic material.  Both of the regular collar types eventually get so
smelly and muddy that I get rid of them.  If that doesn't happen first, they
tend to break off at the most inopportune times.
> The Dublin Dog company has created a great product in my opinion!  Ebony has
worn this collar every day for over two years now.  I have taken it off her to
clean it with my thumbs under a water faucet, but that's it.  It dries almost
immediately and harbors no bad odor.  There is the slightest odor to it, but it
just smells like my dog. It doesn't smell like wet, stinky dog, or like
my-parents-never-clean-me-and-we-live-on-the-street dog.  It only smells like
her, which I think isn't so bad.
> The collar appears to be just as strong as it ever was, the belt notches have
hardly even stretched out and don't show any signs of wear.  Over time the area
of the collar that rests directly beneath her chin has began to discolor from
red to black.  I actually think that this is just the red color wearing away to
show the black color below.  Considering the hundreds of miles/kilometers Ebony
has trekked through sand, water, and snow, I feel that this is expectable and it
has not lessened the strength of the collar.  She weighs around 70 lb (32 kg)
and when she pulls on her leash to chase my neighbor's cat, the Dublin Dog
collar holds her right in place.
>
> Summary:
> I have since purchased another Dublin Dog collar for my other dog who is
coincidently named Dublin.  I am very happy with both collars.  My dogs are not
lazy lay-around-the-house-dogs.  They are out in the mountains and in the washes
on a daily basis pushing as far as they can go.  They beat up very other collar
I bought for them prior to these.  I was probably buying two collars per dog per
year for far too long.  It sure is nice when a company makes a good product. 
The gear that I like the most is the gear that I never have to think about while
out in the elements. The Dublin Dog collar has  given me the peace of mind that
only good gear can do and allowed me to occupy my mind with more important
things.
>
> Pros:
> 1.  No funky odor.
> 2.  Waterproof;
> 3.  Durable
>
> Cons:
> I have no complaints about this product.
>

To help me out (and for BridGeT, too), please use proper subject lines.  There
should almost always be something first in the subject line that tells why you
are posting - for instance here in your post, you should put "MEMBER EDIT (or
COMMENT) - No Stink Collar - Alex Legg.  It really helps me decide whether or
not, I need to read the posting for database information, ok?

Also, one other thing, please use your full name when signing your posts unless
you are sure EVERYONE knows who you are, again so things are clear.  I have no
idea who "Pottsy" is, ok?

Thanks,
Kathy
(and in case, you don't know who I am - Kathy Waters - the only Kathy here and
the Senior Director of BGT)


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: justpottsy
   To: BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 5:37 AM
   Subject: [BackpackGearTest] Re: No Stink Collar - Alex Legg



   I was reading your review, (nice review btw, I'll have to try these out) but I
noticed a typo in your summary: "They beat up very other collar I bought for
them prior to these" where 'very' should be "every".

   Just trying to help,

   Cheers,

   Pottsy

   --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "alex" <alexlegg2@...> wrote:
   >
   > Ray, thank you for the time you take to edit my reports. It's been a long
journey, and I am slowly getting better. I hope it's not too painful for you.
Repost HTML: http://tinyurl.com/7vdnq5j
   >
   > Dublin Dog Black-Eyed Susan No Stink Collar
   > Owner Review by Alex Legg
   > February 7th, 2012
   >
   >
   > Reviewer Information:
   > Name:  Alex Legg
   > Age:  30
   > Gender:  Male
   > Height:  6'4" (1.9 m)
   > Weight:  195 lbs (88 kg)
   > Email address:  alexlegg2 AT yahoo DOT com
   > City, State, Country:  Tucson, Arizona, USA
   >
   > Canine Information:
   > Name: Ebony
   > Breed: German Shepherd Mix
   > Age: 14
   > Gender: Female
   > Height at shoulder: 24.5 in (62 cm)
   > Weight: 70 lb (32 kg)
   >
   >
   > Backpacking Background:
   > My dogs and I hike mountain ranges near Tucson, Arizona during winter,
Colorado during summer.  I carry a light pack, mostly water.  I tend to camp
with a tarp whenever possible to reduce the weight of my two person tent. 
Primarily I do day hikes, but I am known to spend 5 days out.  Temperatures
range from extreme winter to 100 F (38 C), and elevation from 2000' (600 m) to
14,000' (4,300 m).  I bag a mountain every weekend, and walk my dogs daily
through deep sand and overgrown mesquite trees in our local washes.
   >
   > Product Information and Specifications:
   > Manufacturer: Dublin Dog Company
   > Year of Manufacture: 2010
   > URL: https://www.dublindog.com
   > Listed Weight: Not listed
   > Actual Weight: 3.1 oz (88 g)
   > Size: Large - 17 in-21.5 in (43 cm-55 cm) in circumference; 1 in (3 cm) band
width
   > Other Available Sizes: Small - 11 in-14 in (28 cm-36 cm) circumference; 0.6
(2 cm) in band width. Medium - 12.5 in-17 in (32 cm-43 cm) circumference; 1 in
(3 cm) band width.
   > Color: Black Eyed Susan from the Daisy Daze series
   > MSRP: Large-US $28.00
   >
   >
   > Product Description:
   > The Dublin Dog Black-Eyed Susan No Stink Collar is said by the manufacturer
to be created from a special blend of synthetic polymers that will not absorb
moisture, retain dirt, or harbor bacteria. The collar is black on the inside
portion that faces the dog, and red and black on the outside portion. It is
adorned with pretty little yellow and white flowers. It has a stainless steel
buckle that leads to a plastic loop and then into a stainless steel loop where
the dog tags are to be clasped on.
   > The collar feels life it's made of plastic, but with the range of movement
and flexibility of leather material. The Dublin Dog four leaf clover is engraved
into the stainless steel belt buckle, and the words Dublin Dog are engraved into
the stainless steel belt loop. The Dublin Dog logo of a Labrador is imprinted on
the opposite end of the plastic collar.
   > There are nine different belt notches to customized to the size of my dogs
neck. In the winter she generally needs a looser size to accommodate her long
hair, and in the summer she has to tighten it up or it will be lost over her
head whenever she decides that she wants to go off leash.
   >
   > Field Conditions:
   > This collar is on my dog all the time, but I will highlight a few places
that she wears it to give an idea of what the collar is put through on a daily
basis.
   >
   > We take daily walks of about 4 miles (6.4 km) through deep sand and
overgrown mesquite trees in our local washes. The elevation is at around 2,000
ft (610 m), and the temperature ranges from 60 F (16 C) to 110 F (43 C)
depending on the time on year and time of day.
   >
   > The collar has taken many trips in the Santa Rita mountain range south of
Tucson. The elevation in the range is from around 5,000 ft (1,524 m) to 9,453 ft
(2,881 m), and temperatures range from freezing to near 100 F (38 C) depending
on the time of year and time of day.
   >
   > My dog has also taken this collar on many ventures into Pike National Forest
in Colorado. Elevation has ranged from around 6,000 ft (1,829 m) to 12,000 ft
(3,658 m), and temperatures from freezing to around 80 F (27 C) depending on the
time of year and time of day.
   >
   > Performance:
   > In Ebony's 14 years on this planet, we have tried out many, many different
collar options. Generally, dog collars are either made from leather, or from
some synthetic material. Both of the regular collar types eventually get so
smelly and muddy that I get rid of them. If that doesn't happen first, they tend
to break off at the most inopportune times.
   > The Dublin Dog company has created a great product in my opinion! Ebony has
worn this collar every day for over two years now. I have taken it off her to
clean it with my thumbs under a water faucet, but that's it. It dries almost
immediately and harbors no bad odor. There is the slightest odor to it, but it
just smells like my dog. It doesn't smell like wet, stinky dog, or like
my-parents-never-clean-me-and-we-live-on-the-street dog. It only smells like
her, which I think isn't so bad.
   > The collar appears to be just as strong as it ever was, the belt notches
have hardly even stretched out and don't show any signs of wear. Over time the
area of the collar that rests directly beneath her chin has began to discolor
from red to black. I actually think that this is just the red color wearing away
to show the black color below. Considering the hundreds of miles/kilometers
Ebony has trekked through sand, water, and snow, I feel that this is expectable
and it has not lessened the strength of the collar. She weighs around 70 lb (32
kg) and when she pulls on her leash to chase my neighbor's cat, the Dublin Dog
collar holds her right in place.
   >
   > Summary:
   > I have since purchased another Dublin Dog collar for my other dog who is
coincidently named Dublin. I am very happy with both collars. My dogs are not
lazy lay-around-the-house-dogs. They are out in the mountains and in the washes
on a daily basis pushing as far as they can go. They beat up very other collar I
bought for them prior to these. I was probably buying two collars per dog per
year for far too long. It sure is nice when a company makes a good product. The
gear that I like the most is the gear that I never have to think about while out
in the elements. The Dublin Dog collar has given me the peace of mind that only
good gear can do and allowed me to occupy my mind with more important things.
   >
   > Pros:
   > 1. No funky odor.
   > 2. Waterproof;
   > 3. Durable
   >
   > Cons:
   > I have no complaints about this product.
   >





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Yes, ma'am, no problem. I wasn't quite sure what to put in the subject line.
Thank you for the clarification.

Thanks,
Justin Potts
(the only Pottsy I've seen on BGT, I hope it won't be long until you all know
who I am)

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 29, 2012, at 8:29 AM, "Kathy Waters" <kathy@...> wrote:

> To help me out (and for BridGeT, too), please use proper subject lines. There
should almost always be something first in the subject line that tells why you
are posting - for instance here in your post, you should put "MEMBER EDIT (or
COMMENT) - No Stink Collar - Alex Legg. It really helps me decide whether or
not, I need to read the posting for database information, ok?
>
> Also, one other thing, please use your full name when signing your posts
unless you are sure EVERYONE knows who you are, again so things are clear. I
have no idea who "Pottsy" is, ok?
>
> Thanks,
> Kathy
> (and in case, you don't know who I am - Kathy Waters - the only Kathy here and
the Senior Director of BGT)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: justpottsy
> To: BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 5:37 AM
> Subject: [BackpackGearTest] Re: No Stink Collar - Alex Legg
>
> I was reading your review, (nice review btw, I'll have to try these out) but I
noticed a typo in your summary: "They beat up very other collar I bought for
them prior to these" where 'very' should be "every".
>
> Just trying to help,
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pottsy
>
> --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "alex" <alexlegg2@...> wrote:
> >
> > Ray, thank you for the time you take to edit my reports. It's been a long
journey, and I am slowly getting better. I hope it's not too painful for you.
Repost HTML: http://tinyurl.com/7vdnq5j
> >
> > Dublin Dog Black-Eyed Susan No Stink Collar
> > Owner Review by Alex Legg
> > February 7th, 2012
> >
> >
> > Reviewer Information:
> > Name: Alex Legg
> > Age: 30
> > Gender: Male
> > Height: 6'4" (1.9 m)
> > Weight: 195 lbs (88 kg)
> > Email address: alexlegg2 AT yahoo DOT com
> > City, State, Country: Tucson, Arizona, USA
> >
> > Canine Information:
> > Name: Ebony
> > Breed: German Shepherd Mix
> > Age: 14
> > Gender: Female
> > Height at shoulder: 24.5 in (62 cm)
> > Weight: 70 lb (32 kg)
> >
> >
> > Backpacking Background:
> > My dogs and I hike mountain ranges near Tucson, Arizona during winter,
Colorado during summer. I carry a light pack, mostly water. I tend to camp with
a tarp whenever possible to reduce the weight of my two person tent. Primarily I
do day hikes, but I am known to spend 5 days out. Temperatures range from
extreme winter to 100 F (38 C), and elevation from 2000' (600 m) to 14,000'
(4,300 m). I bag a mountain every weekend, and walk my dogs daily through deep
sand and overgrown mesquite trees in our local washes.
> >
> > Product Information and Specifications:
> > Manufacturer: Dublin Dog Company
> > Year of Manufacture: 2010
> > URL: https://www.dublindog.com
> > Listed Weight: Not listed
> > Actual Weight: 3.1 oz (88 g)
> > Size: Large - 17 in-21.5 in (43 cm-55 cm) in circumference; 1 in (3 cm) band
width
> > Other Available Sizes: Small - 11 in-14 in (28 cm-36 cm) circumference; 0.6
(2 cm) in band width. Medium - 12.5 in-17 in (32 cm-43 cm) circumference; 1 in
(3 cm) band width.
> > Color: Black Eyed Susan from the Daisy Daze series
> > MSRP: Large-US $28.00
> >
> >
> > Product Description:
> > The Dublin Dog Black-Eyed Susan No Stink Collar is said by the manufacturer
to be created from a special blend of synthetic polymers that will not absorb
moisture, retain dirt, or harbor bacteria. The collar is black on the inside
portion that faces the dog, and red and black on the outside portion. It is
adorned with pretty little yellow and white flowers. It has a stainless steel
buckle that leads to a plastic loop and then into a stainless steel loop where
the dog tags are to be clasped on.
> > The collar feels life it's made of plastic, but with the range of movement
and flexibility of leather material. The Dublin Dog four leaf clover is engraved
into the stainless steel belt buckle, and the words Dublin Dog are engraved into
the stainless steel belt loop. The Dublin Dog logo of a Labrador is imprinted on
the opposite end of the plastic collar.
> > There are nine different belt notches to customized to the size of my dogs
neck. In the winter she generally needs a looser size to accommodate her long
hair, and in the summer she has to tighten it up or it will be lost over her
head whenever she decides that she wants to go off leash.
> >
> > Field Conditions:
> > This collar is on my dog all the time, but I will highlight a few places
that she wears it to give an idea of what the collar is put through on a daily
basis.
> >
> > We take daily walks of about 4 miles (6.4 km) through deep sand and
overgrown mesquite trees in our local washes. The elevation is at around 2,000
ft (610 m), and the temperature ranges from 60 F (16 C) to 110 F (43 C)
depending on the time on year and time of day.
> >
> > The collar has taken many trips in the Santa Rita mountain range south of
Tucson. The elevation in the range is from around 5,000 ft (1,524 m) to 9,453 ft
(2,881 m), and temperatures range from freezing to near 100 F (38 C) depending
on the time of year and time of day.
> >
> > My dog has also taken this collar on many ventures into Pike National Forest
in Colorado. Elevation has ranged from around 6,000 ft (1,829 m) to 12,000 ft
(3,658 m), and temperatures from freezing to around 80 F (27 C) depending on the
time of year and time of day.
> >
> > Performance:
> > In Ebony's 14 years on this planet, we have tried out many, many different
collar options. Generally, dog collars are either made from leather, or from
some synthetic material. Both of the regular collar types eventually get so
smelly and muddy that I get rid of them. If that doesn't happen first, they tend
to break off at the most inopportune times.
> > The Dublin Dog company has created a great product in my opinion! Ebony has
worn this collar every day for over two years now. I have taken it off her to
clean it with my thumbs under a water faucet, but that's it. It dries almost
immediately and harbors no bad odor. There is the slightest odor to it, but it
just smells like my dog. It doesn't smell like wet, stinky dog, or like
my-parents-never-clean-me-and-we-live-on-the-street dog. It only smells like
her, which I think isn't so bad.
> > The collar appears to be just as strong as it ever was, the belt notches
have hardly even stretched out and don't show any signs of wear. Over time the
area of the collar that rests directly beneath her chin has began to discolor
from red to black. I actually think that this is just the red color wearing away
to show the black color below. Considering the hundreds of miles/kilometers
Ebony has trekked through sand, water, and snow, I feel that this is expectable
and it has not lessened the strength of the collar. She weighs around 70 lb (32
kg) and when she pulls on her leash to chase my neighbor's cat, the Dublin Dog
collar holds her right in place.
> >
> > Summary:
> > I have since purchased another Dublin Dog collar for my other dog who is
coincidently named Dublin. I am very happy with both collars. My dogs are not
lazy lay-around-the-house-dogs. They are out in the mountains and in the washes
on a daily basis pushing as far as they can go. They beat up very other collar I
bought for them prior to these. I was probably buying two collars per dog per
year for far too long. It sure is nice when a company makes a good product. The
gear that I like the most is the gear that I never have to think about while out
in the elements. The Dublin Dog collar has given me the peace of mind that only
good gear can do and allowed me to occupy my mind with more important things.
> >
> > Pros:
> > 1. No funky odor.
> > 2. Waterproof;
> > 3. Durable
> >
> > Cons:
> > I have no complaints about this product.
> >
>
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>
>
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Justin,

Thanks and I realized I hadn't thanked you for the "member edit".  That was a
good catch and since we do strive for great reports, I do appreciate your
efforts and encourage you to continue reading reports and letting the writers
know of any corrections.

Once you start testing, I'll probably catch on, but please keep your proper name
attached to your postings anyway!

Thanks again,
Kathy

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Justin Potts
   To: BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 8:29 AM
   Subject: [BackpackGearTest] Re: thank you Kathy



   Yes, ma'am, no problem. I wasn't quite sure what to put in the subject line.
Thank you for the clarification.

   Thanks,
   Justin Potts
   (the only Pottsy I've seen on BGT, I hope it won't be long until you all know
who I am)

   Sent from my iPad

   On Feb 29, 2012, at 8:29 AM, "Kathy Waters" <kathy@...>
wrote:

   > To help me out (and for BridGeT, too), please use proper subject lines.
There should almost always be something first in the subject line that tells why
you are posting - for instance here in your post, you should put "MEMBER EDIT
(or COMMENT) - No Stink Collar - Alex Legg. It really helps me decide whether or
not, I need to read the posting for database information, ok?
   >
   > Also, one other thing, please use your full name when signing your posts
unless you are sure EVERYONE knows who you are, again so things are clear. I
have no idea who "Pottsy" is, ok?
   >
   > Thanks,
   > Kathy
   > (and in case, you don't know who I am - Kathy Waters - the only Kathy here
and the Senior Director of BGT)
   >
   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: justpottsy
   > To: BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com
   > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 5:37 AM
   > Subject: [BackpackGearTest] Re: No Stink Collar - Alex Legg
   >
   > I was reading your review, (nice review btw, I'll have to try these out) but
I noticed a typo in your summary: "They beat up very other collar I bought for
them prior to these" where 'very' should be "every".
   >
   > Just trying to help,
   >
   > Cheers,
   >
   > Pottsy
   >
   > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "alex" <alexlegg2@...> wrote:
   > >
   > > Ray, thank you for the time you take to edit my reports. It's been a long
journey, and I am slowly getting better. I hope it's not too painful for you.
Repost HTML: http://tinyurl.com/7vdnq5j
   > >
   > > Dublin Dog Black-Eyed Susan No Stink Collar
   > > Owner Review by Alex Legg
   > > February 7th, 2012
   > >
   > >
   > > Reviewer Information:
   > > Name: Alex Legg
   > > Age: 30
   > > Gender: Male
   > > Height: 6'4" (1.9 m)
   > > Weight: 195 lbs (88 kg)
   > > Email address: alexlegg2 AT yahoo DOT com
   > > City, State, Country: Tucson, Arizona, USA
   > >
   > > Canine Information:
   > > Name: Ebony
   > > Breed: German Shepherd Mix
   > > Age: 14
   > > Gender: Female
   > > Height at shoulder: 24.5 in (62 cm)
   > > Weight: 70 lb (32 kg)
   > >
   > >
   > > Backpacking Background:
   > > My dogs and I hike mountain ranges near Tucson, Arizona during winter,
Colorado during summer. I carry a light pack, mostly water. I tend to camp with
a tarp whenever possible to reduce the weight of my two person tent. Primarily I
do day hikes, but I am known to spend 5 days out. Temperatures range from
extreme winter to 100 F (38 C), and elevation from 2000' (600 m) to 14,000'
(4,300 m). I bag a mountain every weekend, and walk my dogs daily through deep
sand and overgrown mesquite trees in our local washes.
   > >
   > > Product Information and Specifications:
   > > Manufacturer: Dublin Dog Company
   > > Year of Manufacture: 2010
   > > URL: https://www.dublindog.com
   > > Listed Weight: Not listed
   > > Actual Weight: 3.1 oz (88 g)
   > > Size: Large - 17 in-21.5 in (43 cm-55 cm) in circumference; 1 in (3 cm)
band width
   > > Other Available Sizes: Small - 11 in-14 in (28 cm-36 cm) circumference;
0.6 (2 cm) in band width. Medium - 12.5 in-17 in (32 cm-43 cm) circumference; 1
in (3 cm) band width.
   > > Color: Black Eyed Susan from the Daisy Daze series
   > > MSRP: Large-US $28.00
   > >
   > >
   > > Product Description:
   > > The Dublin Dog Black-Eyed Susan No Stink Collar is said by the
manufacturer to be created from a special blend of synthetic polymers that will
not absorb moisture, retain dirt, or harbor bacteria. The collar is black on the
inside portion that faces the dog, and red and black on the outside portion. It
is adorned with pretty little yellow and white flowers. It has a stainless steel
buckle that leads to a plastic loop and then into a stainless steel loop where
the dog tags are to be clasped on.
   > > The collar feels life it's made of plastic, but with the range of movement
and flexibility of leather material. The Dublin Dog four leaf clover is engraved
into the stainless steel belt buckle, and the words Dublin Dog are engraved into
the stainless steel belt loop. The Dublin Dog logo of a Labrador is imprinted on
the opposite end of the plastic collar.
   > > There are nine different belt notches to customized to the size of my dogs
neck. In the winter she generally needs a looser size to accommodate her long
hair, and in the summer she has to tighten it up or it will be lost over her
head whenever she decides that she wants to go off leash.
   > >
   > > Field Conditions:
   > > This collar is on my dog all the time, but I will highlight a few places
that she wears it to give an idea of what the collar is put through on a daily
basis.
   > >
   > > We take daily walks of about 4 miles (6.4 km) through deep sand and
overgrown mesquite trees in our local washes. The elevation is at around 2,000
ft (610 m), and the temperature ranges from 60 F (16 C) to 110 F (43 C)
depending on the time on year and time of day.
   > >
   > > The collar has taken many trips in the Santa Rita mountain range south of
Tucson. The elevation in the range is from around 5,000 ft (1,524 m) to 9,453 ft
(2,881 m), and temperatures range from freezing to near 100 F (38 C) depending
on the time of year and time of day.
   > >
   > > My dog has also taken this collar on many ventures into Pike National
Forest in Colorado. Elevation has ranged from around 6,000 ft (1,829 m) to
12,000 ft (3,658 m), and temperatures from freezing to around 80 F (27 C)
depending on the time of year and time of day.
   > >
   > > Performance:
   > > In Ebony's 14 years on this planet, we have tried out many, many different
collar options. Generally, dog collars are either made from leather, or from
some synthetic material. Both of the regular collar types eventually get so
smelly and muddy that I get rid of them. If that doesn't happen first, they tend
to break off at the most inopportune times.
   > > The Dublin Dog company has created a great product in my opinion! Ebony
has worn this collar every day for over two years now. I have taken it off her
to clean it with my thumbs under a water faucet, but that's it. It dries almost
immediately and harbors no bad odor. There is the slightest odor to it, but it
just smells like my dog. It doesn't smell like wet, stinky dog, or like
my-parents-never-clean-me-and-we-live-on-the-street dog. It only smells like
her, which I think isn't so bad.
   > > The collar appears to be just as strong as it ever was, the belt notches
have hardly even stretched out and don't show any signs of wear. Over time the
area of the collar that rests directly beneath her chin has began to discolor
from red to black. I actually think that this is just the red color wearing away
to show the black color below. Considering the hundreds of miles/kilometers
Ebony has trekked through sand, water, and snow, I feel that this is expectable
and it has not lessened the strength of the collar. She weighs around 70 lb (32
kg) and when she pulls on her leash to chase my neighbor's cat, the Dublin Dog
collar holds her right in place.
   > >
   > > Summary:
   > > I have since purchased another Dublin Dog collar for my other dog who is
coincidently named Dublin. I am very happy with both collars. My dogs are not
lazy lay-around-the-house-dogs. They are out in the mountains and in the washes
on a daily basis pushing as far as they can go. They beat up very other collar I
bought for them prior to these. I was probably buying two collars per dog per
year for far too long. It sure is nice when a company makes a good product. The
gear that I like the most is the gear that I never have to think about while out
in the elements. The Dublin Dog collar has given me the peace of mind that only
good gear can do and allowed me to occupy my mind with more important things.
   > >
   > > Pros:
   > > 1. No funky odor.
   > > 2. Waterproof;
   > > 3. Durable
   > >
   > > Cons:
   > > I have no complaints about this product.
   > >
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Thank you for catching that!  I will make the correction before I post the OR to
the BGT site.

--- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "justpottsy" <justpottsy@...> wrote:
>
> I was reading your review, (nice review btw, I'll have to try these out) but I
noticed a typo in your summary: "They beat up very other collar I bought for
them prior to these" where 'very' should be "every".
>
> Just trying to help,
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pottsy
>
>
> --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "alex" <alexlegg2@> wrote:
> >
> > Ray, thank you for the time you take to edit my reports.  It's been a long
journey, and I am slowly getting better.  I hope it's not too painful for you. 
Repost HTML: http://tinyurl.com/7vdnq5j
> >
> > Dublin Dog Black-Eyed Susan No Stink Collar
> > Owner Review by Alex Legg
> > February 7th, 2012
> >
> >
> > Reviewer Information:
> > Name:  Alex Legg
> > Age:  30
> > Gender:  Male
> > Height:  6'4" (1.9 m)
> > Weight:  195 lbs (88 kg)
> > Email address:  alexlegg2 AT yahoo DOT com
> > City, State, Country:  Tucson, Arizona, USA
> >
> > Canine Information:
> > Name: Ebony
> > Breed: German Shepherd Mix
> > Age: 14
> > Gender: Female
> > Height at shoulder: 24.5 in (62 cm)
> > Weight: 70 lb (32 kg)
> >
> >
> > Backpacking Background:
> > My dogs and I hike  mountain ranges near Tucson, Arizona during winter,
Colorado during summer.  I carry a light pack, mostly water.  I tend to camp
with a tarp whenever possible to reduce the weight of my two person tent. 
Primarily I do day hikes, but I am known to spend 5 days out.  Temperatures
range from extreme winter to 100 F (38 C), and elevation from 2000' (600 m) to
14,000' (4,300 m).  I bag a mountain every weekend, and walk my dogs daily
through deep sand and overgrown mesquite trees in our local washes.
> >
> > Product Information and Specifications:
> > Manufacturer: Dublin Dog Company
> > Year of Manufacture: 2010
> > URL: https://www.dublindog.com
> > Listed Weight: Not listed
> > Actual Weight: 3.1 oz (88 g)
> > Size: Large - 17 in-21.5 in (43 cm-55 cm) in circumference; 1 in (3 cm) band
width
> > Other Available Sizes: Small - 11 in-14 in (28 cm-36 cm) circumference; 0.6
(2 cm) in band width.  Medium - 12.5 in-17 in (32 cm-43 cm) circumference; 1 in
(3 cm) band width.
> > Color: Black Eyed Susan from the Daisy Daze series
> > MSRP: Large-US $28.00
> >
> >
> > Product Description:
> > The Dublin Dog Black-Eyed Susan No Stink Collar is said by the manufacturer
to be created from a special blend of synthetic polymers that will not absorb
moisture, retain dirt, or harbor bacteria.  The collar is black on the inside
portion that faces the dog, and red and black on the outside portion.  It is
adorned with pretty little yellow and white flowers.  It has a stainless steel
buckle that leads to a plastic loop and then into a stainless steel loop where
the dog tags are to be clasped on.
> > The collar feels life it's made of plastic, but with the range of movement
and flexibility of leather material.  The Dublin Dog four leaf clover is
engraved into the stainless steel belt buckle, and the words Dublin Dog are
engraved into the stainless steel belt loop.  The Dublin Dog logo of a Labrador
is imprinted on the opposite end of the plastic collar.
> > There are nine different belt notches to customized to the size of my dogs
neck.  In the winter she generally needs a looser size to accommodate her long
hair, and in the summer she has to tighten it up or it will be lost over her
head whenever she decides that she wants to go off leash.
> >
> > Field Conditions:
> > This collar is on my dog all the time, but I will highlight a few places
that she wears it to give an idea of what the collar is put through on a daily
basis.
> >
> > We take daily walks of about 4 miles (6.4 km) through deep sand and
overgrown mesquite trees in our local washes.  The elevation is at around 2,000
ft (610 m), and the temperature ranges from 60 F (16 C) to 110 F (43 C)
depending on the time on year and time of day.
> >
> > The collar has taken many trips in the Santa Rita mountain range south of
Tucson.  The elevation in the range is from around 5,000 ft (1,524 m) to 9,453
ft (2,881 m), and temperatures range from freezing to near 100 F (38 C)
depending on the time of year and time of day.
> >
> > My dog has also taken this collar on many ventures into Pike National Forest
in Colorado.  Elevation has ranged from around 6,000 ft (1,829 m) to 12,000 ft
(3,658 m), and temperatures from freezing to around 80 F (27 C) depending on the
time of year and time of day.
> >
> > Performance:
> > In Ebony's 14 years on this planet, we have tried out many, many different
collar options.  Generally, dog collars are either made from leather, or from
some synthetic material.  Both of the regular collar types eventually get so
smelly and muddy that I get rid of them.  If that doesn't happen first, they
tend to break off at the most inopportune times.
> > The Dublin Dog company has created a great product in my opinion!  Ebony has
worn this collar every day for over two years now.  I have taken it off her to
clean it with my thumbs under a water faucet, but that's it.  It dries almost
immediately and harbors no bad odor.  There is the slightest odor to it, but it
just smells like my dog. It doesn't smell like wet, stinky dog, or like
my-parents-never-clean-me-and-we-live-on-the-street dog.  It only smells like
her, which I think isn't so bad.
> > The collar appears to be just as strong as it ever was, the belt notches
have hardly even stretched out and don't show any signs of wear.  Over time the
area of the collar that rests directly beneath her chin has began to discolor
from red to black.  I actually think that this is just the red color wearing
away to show the black color below.  Considering the hundreds of
miles/kilometers Ebony has trekked through sand, water, and snow, I feel that
this is expectable and it has not lessened the strength of the collar.  She
weighs around 70 lb (32 kg) and when she pulls on her leash to chase my
neighbor's cat, the Dublin Dog collar holds her right in place.
> >
> > Summary:
> > I have since purchased another Dublin Dog collar for my other dog who is
coincidently named Dublin.  I am very happy with both collars.  My dogs are not
lazy lay-around-the-house-dogs.  They are out in the mountains and in the washes
on a daily basis pushing as far as they can go.  They beat up very other collar
I bought for them prior to these.  I was probably buying two collars per dog per
year for far too long.  It sure is nice when a company makes a good product. 
The gear that I like the most is the gear that I never have to think about while
out in the elements. The Dublin Dog collar has  given me the peace of mind that
only good gear can do and allowed me to occupy my mind with more important
things.
> >
> > Pros:
> > 1.  No funky odor.
> > 2.  Waterproof;
> > 3.  Durable
> >
> > Cons:
> > I have no complaints about this product.
> >
>

I would like to know how the BGT staff feels about sharing our reports with the
companies that make the gear we report on.  I just finished my OR for the Dublin
Dog Collar, and I wanted to post a link to the report on the Dublin Dog Facebook
page.  I feel that this could help us get a little more traffic to the BGT site.
Let me know what you guys and gals think.

Thank you,
Alex Legg

Absolutely!  You can also post on the BGT Facebook page as well 
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/BackpackGearTest/121376381541

Thanks, Alex!
Kathy

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: alex
   To: BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:32 AM
   Subject: [BackpackGearTest] Member Comment - ORs - Alex Legg



   I would like to know how the BGT staff feels about sharing our reports with
the companies that make the gear we report on. I just finished my OR for the
Dublin Dog Collar, and I wanted to post a link to the report on the Dublin Dog
Facebook page. I feel that this could help us get a little more traffic to the
BGT site. Let me know what you guys and gals think.

   Thank you,
   Alex Legg





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the 109.00 is the BGT HTML wrier extending it to decimal places--tell me how to
remove and I will

other EDIT made

Please advise
PJ


--- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "R&S Caffin" <r.caffin@...> wrote:
>
> EDIT: SOG TECH BOWIE FIXED BLADE KNIFE, Pete Jaworski
>
> Hi Pete
>
> Nearly!
> A couple of little things left over from the last round. Could you fix these
> please and repost the HTML as before, then you should be good.
>
> Cheers
> Roger Caffin
> BGT Editor
> --------------------
> > WEIGHT: 240 lb (109.00 kg)
> EDIT: round off to 109 kg. I am sure your weight varies from day to day by
> more than 100 g!
>
> > Product Description
> EDIT: make this into a small heading.
>
> > Heavy for some people
> EDIT: this is extrapolating to what other people might think, and is a big
> no-no at BGT. Change this to something like 'A bit heavy' - leave out the
> 'for some people'
>

Well since I chose the category for the Feb. test call I figured it only right
that I submit an OR too.  Here goes, please be gentle, it's been a while since
I've written one of these. :)

http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/test/OWNER%20REVIEWS/OR-Seirus%20Thermax\
%20Headliner%20Junior%20-%20Jamie%20D/

Thermax Headliner Junior
By Seirus Innovation
  An Owner Review by Jamie DeBenedetto
February 29th, 2012


Writer's Information

Jamie J. DeBenedetto
Female, 39 years old
Height: 5'11" (180 cm)
Weight: 170 lb (77 kg)
Email: jdeben(at)hotmail.com
Personal Website: www.MyDog8AZ.com
Location: Phoenix, Arizona - The Grand Canyon State

Background/Experience

I began backpacking twenty-five years ago after a childhood loaded with all
sorts of outdoor adventures. At present I work as a hike leader so I day-hike at
least sixteen times a month.  I also camp, kayak and take one or two night
backpacking trips occasionally.
When backpacking, I prefer to sleep in a hammock and I gravitate toward
multifunctional gear that will enhance my comfort level with minimal weight. My
total pack weight year round is rarely above 25 lbs (11 kg) for outings of two
to three days.

Tester's Information

My two little helpers are my 9 and 7 year old sons, AJ and MV. Both kids have
been enjoying time in the outdoors with their parents since they were 3 months
old.

AJ -  Height: 54 in (137 cm)  MV -  Height: 48 in (122 cm)
Weight: 62 lbs (28 kg) 	 Weight: 49 lbs (22 kg)
Head Size: 20.5 in (52 cm) 		 Head Size: 20 in (51 cm)


Product Information

Manufacturer  Seirus Innovation
URL  www.seirus.com
Year Purchased Dec 2006 or Jan 2007
Made in Mexico
Model and Size Junior – one size fits all
Color Black
MSRP N/A
(Specifications - Taken from the manufacturer's website or product tag)
Total Weight  Not given
Fits Head Sizes Not given
Materials 100% Polyester Thermax
Care Instructions Machine washable
Warranty Not given

(Specifications as received and observed by this writer)
Weight (taken with a digital office scale)  1.3 oz (38 g)
Fits Head Size At least 21 in (53 cm)



Product Description

The Seirus Innovation Thermax Headliner is a thin and lightweight head, neck
and/or face warmer.  It can be worn as a hat, a helmet liner, a neck warmer, and
a balaclava.  It's designed to be worn right next to the skin during cold
weather activities and as such has moisture wicking properties.  It is made of
100% Polyester Thermax.

Field Locations and Conditions

Back in late 2006 or early 2007 I purchased two of the Thermax Headliners in the
Junior size for my sons, who were then three and five.  Since then they have
used them on two snow play day trips, on several camping trips totaling at least
seven nights and numerous times around our house for fun.  When not warming a
child's face they double nicely as a "ninja" mask!  The snow play days were in
Flagstaff, Arizona at an elevation of 8,000 ft (2,400 m).  I don't recall the
temperatures but typical winter daytime temps fall in the 35 to 45 F (1.5 to 7
C) range.  We did not experience snowfall on these days but it was chilly enough
for the boys to need the Headliners for the several hours we were on the
mountain.  All camping trips took place up on the Mogollon Rim (7500 ft/2290 m)
or in the White Mountains (8500 ft/2600 m) of Northeastern, AZ.  These trips
were taken in early summer when the overnight temperatures still dip into the
40's F (5-9 C).

Our Experience

My sons have primarily used the Headliners in either the neck warmer or the
balaclava configurations either alone or under beanies. In the balaclava
position it can be worn either under the chin or pulled-up over the nose for
additional face coverage.  If they started to get too hot they could simply just
pull it down into the neck position until needed over the ears and/or nose
again.  The versatility of this garment is really a plus.

The Headliner fits snugly, which for my older son, sometimes makes putting it on
difficult.  This does not mean they are uncomfortable once in place, however. 
Neither of my kids has ever complained about the fit.  The eye opening is just
right for my kids, even when slightly twisted it doesn't obstruct vision. 
Although it's snug around the face and head, the neck has a much looser fit. 
Frankly, I'm glad for this simply because constricting this area worries me as a
parent. The looser fit around the neck coupled with a shorter length at the neck
line does mean air will penetrate this area when the boys are very active.  I
usually tuck the Headliner into their shirts but it always pulls out after a
short time.

Although the material is thin, the Thermax Headliner does do a very nice job of
keeping in warmth. And unlike a beanie it doesn't fall off or move around
exposing the child's ears.  This was one of the main reasons I purchased these
actually.  My kids move around a ton when sleeping so staying bundled in a mummy
style sleeping bag or keeping a beanie on all night wasn't happening.  I wanted
something that would not only stay put, it would also not be constrictive and
heavy.  This piece of gear works perfectly for that.

On our snow play days we also sledded, which means lot of crashes.  The
Headliners did get wet but I thought they managed the moisture from the outside
and the inside quite well.  Another bonus of the snug fit around the face is
that they do not let any snow in under the edges.  That was particularly useful
after face plants!

The Headliner washes easily and has held up well to many launderings and lots of
face time.  After years of use only one of the ones we own is showing signs of
wear in the form of several loose strings springing forth from the seams at the
front of the face opening.  Other than that, they are still in very good
condition and have retained their shape and size.

Pros and Cons

The Seirus Thermax Headliner Junior is a simple piece of gear that does an
important job well.  Both my sons like wearing it whether it's to ward off cold
temperatures, to keep them snuggly warm as they sleep or to fight off bad guys
attacking our basecamp.  As a parent I like it because it's easy to care for and
I know it's going to stay in place even as active and wiggly as to young boys
can be.

My only complaint about this garment is the length of the neck line.  I
definitely think it would be a an improvement if it was wee bit longer just to
keep out those drafts and well placed snowballs.

- Jamie DeBenedetto 2012

Jamie D,
      I really enjoyed your review (even though my children are of the canine
nature for now) but I saw one minor nitpick regarding the statement "even as
active and wiggly as to young boys can be." in the last line of your pros
section. Btw I'm new to BGT so be gentle on how I make member edits/comments I
just catch what trips me up in a review. I'm up for suggestions on how to
improve my comments.

Comment:
Did you mean "as TWO young boys can be"
If so;
That's borderline assuming ALL boys are active and wiggly (I personally was/am
but still yet an assumption that all are)

Edit:
Even as active and wiggly as MY two young boys can be.

Or
Comment:
are you referring to to the terminology "to wit" in which I would say:

Edit:
To wit (specifically) as active and wiggly as my two boys can be.



Regards,
Justin Potts
-Pottsy


--- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie D." <jdeben@...> wrote:
>
> Well since I chose the category for the Feb. test call I figured it only right
that I submit an OR too.  Here goes, please be gentle, it's been a while since
I've written one of these. :)
>
>
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/test/OWNER%20REVIEWS/OR-Seirus%20Thermax\
%20Headliner%20Junior%20-%20Jamie%20D/
>
> Thermax Headliner Junior
> By Seirus Innovation
>  An Owner Review by Jamie DeBenedetto
> February 29th, 2012
>
>
> Writer's Information
>
> Jamie J. DeBenedetto
> Female, 39 years old
> Height: 5'11" (180 cm)
> Weight: 170 lb (77 kg)
> Email: jdeben(at)hotmail.com
> Personal Website: www.MyDog8AZ.com
> Location: Phoenix, Arizona - The Grand Canyon State
>
> Background/Experience
>
> I began backpacking twenty-five years ago after a childhood loaded with all
sorts of outdoor adventures. At present I work as a hike leader so I day-hike at
least sixteen times a month.  I also camp, kayak and take one or two night
backpacking trips occasionally.
> When backpacking, I prefer to sleep in a hammock and I gravitate toward
multifunctional gear that will enhance my comfort level with minimal weight. My
total pack weight year round is rarely above 25 lbs (11 kg) for outings of two
to three days.
>
> Tester's Information
>
> My two little helpers are my 9 and 7 year old sons, AJ and MV. Both kids have
been enjoying time in the outdoors with their parents since they were 3 months
old.
>
> AJ -  Height: 54 in (137 cm)  MV -  Height: 48 in (122 cm)
> Weight: 62 lbs (28 kg) 	 Weight: 49 lbs (22 kg)
> Head Size: 20.5 in (52 cm) 		 Head Size: 20 in (51 cm)
>
>
> Product Information
>
> Manufacturer  Seirus Innovation
> URL  www.seirus.com
> Year Purchased Dec 2006 or Jan 2007
> Made in Mexico
> Model and Size Junior – one size fits all
> Color Black
> MSRP N/A
> (Specifications - Taken from the manufacturer's website or product tag)
> Total Weight  Not given
> Fits Head Sizes Not given
> Materials 100% Polyester Thermax
> Care Instructions Machine washable
> Warranty Not given
>
> (Specifications as received and observed by this writer)
> Weight (taken with a digital office scale)  1.3 oz (38 g)
> Fits Head Size At least 21 in (53 cm)
>
>
>
> Product Description
>
> The Seirus Innovation Thermax Headliner is a thin and lightweight head, neck
and/or face warmer.  It can be worn as a hat, a helmet liner, a neck warmer, and
a balaclava.  It's designed to be worn right next to the skin during cold
weather activities and as such has moisture wicking properties.  It is made of
100% Polyester Thermax.
>
> Field Locations and Conditions
>
> Back in late 2006 or early 2007 I purchased two of the Thermax Headliners in
the Junior size for my sons, who were then three and five.  Since then they have
used them on two snow play day trips, on several camping trips totaling at least
seven nights and numerous times around our house for fun.  When not warming a
child's face they double nicely as a "ninja" mask!  The snow play days were in
Flagstaff, Arizona at an elevation of 8,000 ft (2,400 m).  I don't recall the
temperatures but typical winter daytime temps fall in the 35 to 45 F (1.5 to 7
C) range.  We did not experience snowfall on these days but it was chilly enough
for the boys to need the Headliners for the several hours we were on the
mountain.  All camping trips took place up on the Mogollon Rim (7500 ft/2290 m)
or in the White Mountains (8500 ft/2600 m) of Northeastern, AZ.  These trips
were taken in early summer when the overnight temperatures still dip into the
40's F (5-9 C).
>
> Our Experience
>
> My sons have primarily used the Headliners in either the neck warmer or the
balaclava configurations either alone or under beanies. In the balaclava
position it can be worn either under the chin or pulled-up over the nose for
additional face coverage.  If they started to get too hot they could simply just
pull it down into the neck position until needed over the ears and/or nose
again.  The versatility of this garment is really a plus.
>
> The Headliner fits snugly, which for my older son, sometimes makes putting it
on difficult.  This does not mean they are uncomfortable once in place, however.
Neither of my kids has ever complained about the fit.  The eye opening is just
right for my kids, even when slightly twisted it doesn't obstruct vision. 
Although it's snug around the face and head, the neck has a much looser fit. 
Frankly, I'm glad for this simply because constricting this area worries me as a
parent. The looser fit around the neck coupled with a shorter length at the neck
line does mean air will penetrate this area when the boys are very active.  I
usually tuck the Headliner into their shirts but it always pulls out after a
short time.
>
> Although the material is thin, the Thermax Headliner does do a very nice job
of keeping in warmth. And unlike a beanie it doesn't fall off or move around
exposing the child's ears.  This was one of the main reasons I purchased these
actually.  My kids move around a ton when sleeping so staying bundled in a mummy
style sleeping bag or keeping a beanie on all night wasn't happening.  I wanted
something that would not only stay put, it would also not be constrictive and
heavy.  This piece of gear works perfectly for that.
>
> On our snow play days we also sledded, which means lot of crashes.  The
Headliners did get wet but I thought they managed the moisture from the outside
and the inside quite well.  Another bonus of the snug fit around the face is
that they do not let any snow in under the edges.  That was particularly useful
after face plants!
>
> The Headliner washes easily and has held up well to many launderings and lots
of face time.  After years of use only one of the ones we own is showing signs
of wear in the form of several loose strings springing forth from the seams at
the front of the face opening.  Other than that, they are still in very good
condition and have retained their shape and size.
>
> Pros and Cons
>
> The Seirus Thermax Headliner Junior is a simple piece of gear that does an
important job well.  Both my sons like wearing it whether it's to ward off cold
temperatures, to keep them snuggly warm as they sleep or to fight off bad guys
attacking our basecamp.  As a parent I like it because it's easy to care for and
I know it's going to stay in place even as active and wiggly as to young boys
can be.
>
> My only complaint about this garment is the length of the neck line.  I
definitely think it would be a an improvement if it was wee bit longer just to
keep out those drafts and well placed snowballs.
>
> - Jamie DeBenedetto 2012
>