I can feel your pain. The problem is the society itself. I do not mean
religion or believe system. But we are living in very much throw away
culture. "working hard" is consider wast of time while there are much
more out there......(This is how people think I noticed). There is no
more royality, respect, and commitment. As far as on religious belive
system, I am not sure how much of an issue....it is an issue, but you
can help a person to grow certain believe system once get into a
relationship...? I think the issue is moral matter instead of
religion. There are LOTS of nice well meaning people out there who
drink and go out to have fun.....it does not mean they are hopeless.
may be you are expecting too much? Not everyone has to have your
belive system, then indeed, your world would be so
limited.....christians should love every human being without
judgement. It is the sin we hate, but who is sinless!??

--- In christiansingles20sand30s@yahoogroups.com, "Eric"
<EricB955@a...> wrote:
> I often wish I had a girlfriend, too...but I'm not holding my breath.
> The main trouble is finding a young woman who can show me that I can
> love (romantically) again. The primary issue for me is trust; the
> outrageously high number of no-shows on various dating attempts
> damaged my trust in women on dates (especially those closer to my age
> or older).
>
> Most of the single women that are out at the places singles hang out
> at are probably not Christian at all. I have had loads of trouble
> meeting single, never before married Christian women (especially
> those of my own faith, the Roman Catholic faith) in recent years.
> Now, I'm basically restricted to dating women I know. It was all over
> between me and women closer to my age (especially those over 30) a
> long, long, long time ago. Being through a broken engagement doesn't
> help my case, either.
>
> I've pretty much given up on finding someone compatible locally.
>
> Eric

God is a result of our pain? Is it our illusion, and psychological,
emotional needs to fill our needs? The world of reality is the same,
but changes based on how we think???

I can say, god loves me, this and that......but then why it is not
seems to be enough?

I am sorry, but once a while I think like this, and start to have lot
of doubt in "God". God seems so far away. But the fact that we need a
partner, and the fact we are alone does not change...you see.

I know there are a lot of married couple who are in trouble, it is
better off to be single than being in a troubled marriate. How many
couple do we know that has been in trouble? God or not, I think it is
hard to find a soul mate these days. People cheat, and lie, and throw
away everything so easy.

--- In christiansingles20sand30s@yahoogroups.com, riafe domingo
<sundae_faery@y...> wrote:
>
> Its a reality for us singles that in this married world, we are
fighting against loneliness and aloness.  I too feel it from time to
time.  I wish i have someone who i could hold hands, laugh with or
just the fact that some one is loving me.  But you see, if we always
wallow ourselves in that miserable longing, we are missing God's love.
What is beautiful about it is that, our Lord knows our desire thats
why He will feel it through.  Thats what He did when for 4 weeks i am
waiting for someone (that someone by the way did cheated on me and we
broke up, thanks to God, He did answer my prayer, but thats another
story)He sent new christian friends where He showed His comfort on
that trying moment on my life.
>
> God will never leave us alone.  We must focus...focus..focus our
attention to Him.  I believe that before we need someone to share our
love with, we must enjoy ourselves in God's love to the point that we
dont need that special love to make us whole.  God will complete us...
>
> God is our comfort....
>
> ria
> Eric <EricB955@a...> wrote:
> I often wish I had a girlfriend, too...but I'm not holding my breath.
> The main trouble is finding a young woman who can show me that I can
> love (romantically) again. The primary issue for me is trust; the
> outrageously high number of no-shows on various dating attempts
> damaged my trust in women on dates (especially those closer to my age
> or older).
>
> Most of the single women that are out at the places singles hang out
> at are probably not Christian at all. I have had loads of trouble
> meeting single, never before married Christian women (especially
> those of my own faith, the Roman Catholic faith) in recent years.
> Now, I'm basically restricted to dating women I know. It was all over
> between me and women closer to my age (especially those over 30) a
> long, long, long time ago. Being through a broken engagement doesn't
> help my case, either.
>
> I've pretty much given up on finding someone compatible locally.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>
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Is SEX a SIN? How much do you draw a line between sin, and not sin in
Sex? Is having aroused consider sin? When you look at opposite sex in
sexual way a sin? Using Sex as  a pleasure sin? I thought God gave us
pleasure for our enjoyment....you do get pleasure out of sex
regardless if you are a single, or married. In both case, is are we
committing sin?

It was a group post Maresha. FLA=Florida; ISO=in search of; LTR=long
term relationship (leading to matrimony). There, all cleared up.

Is God leading you to me?

"Qris"

--- In christiansingles20sand30s@yahoogroups.com, Mareshah Gray
<mareshahgray@y...> wrote:
> Hello,
>  I received this email from you and am  not sure exactly if this
was sent to me on purpose or accidently. Can you explain to me what
FLA ISO LTR means. God bless
>
> qristyenpasshun <qristyenpasshun@y...> wrote:
> 32/m/cent. FLA ISO LTR with passionate Song of Solomon woman. Is
God
> leading you to me? Open to Divine Destiny. Contact me.
>
>
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I've been quietly reading your past e-mails but after these last
couple one's I feel the need to speak up. It seems you always have
the "what if" questions. Now I don't know you, so there's no way to
know if your sincere in the desire to really know God better , or
your playing devils advocate. I'll assume your sincere, so let me
say. There is a verse in the Bible about taking every thought captive
and not following every thing you hear or think. But to match it with
God's word. If it's somthing you don't understand pray that God would
explain it to you.And somtimes we have to say I don't understand but
I trust You God so I'll do as you say. God is not a cosmic kill joy
every word He said is for a reason. God made us He knows what is the
absolute best for us. I've learned to trust Him. He knows what He's
talking about.
    Of course we are living in a broken world and your right every one
is a sinner. But if your in a relationship with another person who
believes the same way you do . Then when trials come we can both go
together to God for wisdom and guidence. If I'm with a "moral" person
but they don't have a faith in Jesus  how will they respond to
trials...will they go drown their sadness in a bottle, or turn to an
affair. Thats why God want's us "equaly yoked" so we'll be going in
the same direction.How can to walk together lest they agree?
    Read Galations 5& 6(their short) it talks about not getting caught
up in the petty particulars it's about following Christ and doing
YOUR best to follow the Holy Spirit. Your only responsible for your
actions. And in following Christ may be an example to others.
   Sorry I went on and on, but I feel so passionate about His love for
us and I feel if we truly understood even the tiniest bit about
Christ we wouldn't doubt one word He says.Or feel in conflict,(myself
included) we wouldn't wonder why we're alone or why things happen.
Not one thing happens in this world without His knowledge. He is
Grace and He is Love and doesn't want to be parted from anyone.




--- In christiansingles20sand30s@yahoogroups.com, "oneafter99"
<oneafter99@y...> wrote:
> Is SEX a SIN? How much do you draw a line between sin, and not sin
in
> Sex? Is having aroused consider sin? When you look at opposite sex
in
> sexual way a sin? Using Sex as  a pleasure sin? I thought God gave
us
> pleasure for our enjoyment....you do get pleasure out of sex
> regardless if you are a single, or married. In both case, is are we
> committing sin?

There is a great movie dealing with this.  It is called "Going the Distance" and
it was done by Justice Pictures.  It is out on video cassette, but also be
released on DVD soon.  It talks about sex/sin issue from a real Christian
perspective.

Peace

oneafter99 <oneafter99@...> wrote:
Is SEX a SIN? How much do you draw a line between sin, and not sin in
Sex? Is having aroused consider sin? When you look at opposite sex in
sexual way a sin? Using Sex as  a pleasure sin? I thought God gave us
pleasure for our enjoyment....you do get pleasure out of sex
regardless if you are a single, or married. In both case, is are we
committing sin?



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Sex was designed to be enjoyed within the confines of marriage.  There are many
references to sex in the bible.  God designed it for our enjoyment as well as
procreation, but to be enjoyed within His boundaries.

oneafter99 <oneafter99@...> wrote:Is SEX a SIN? How much do you draw a
line between sin, and not sin in
Sex? Is having aroused consider sin? When you look at opposite sex in
sexual way a sin? Using Sex as  a pleasure sin? I thought God gave us
pleasure for our enjoyment....you do get pleasure out of sex
regardless if you are a single, or married. In both case, is are we
committing sin?



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Paul says in his word that it is not good for a man to be single. If cannot
handle being single with his sexual desires, then he should get married. Sex
is not a sin, however it is outside of marriage. You cannot control your
desires, but you choose not to act on them. Jason


>From: "oneafter99" <oneafter99@...>
>Reply-To: christiansingles20sand30s@yahoogroups.com
>To: christiansingles20sand30s@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Christian Singles 20s and 30s] Sex Sin?
>Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 00:36:15 -0000
>
>Is SEX a SIN? How much do you draw a line between sin, and not sin in
>Sex? Is having aroused consider sin? When you look at opposite sex in
>sexual way a sin? Using Sex as  a pleasure sin? I thought God gave us
>pleasure for our enjoyment....you do get pleasure out of sex
>regardless if you are a single, or married. In both case, is are we
>committing sin?
>
>

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God is not a result of our pain.  As a result of our pain, we draw closer to God
in faith.  Our pain is a result of our sin and choices.  When God is in control,
we may suffer a lot of pain, but He will carry us through it.  Seek God's will
in all things and He will let you know what His will is.

oneafter99 <oneafter99@...> wrote:God is a result of our pain? Is it our
illusion, and psychological,
emotional needs to fill our needs? The world of reality is the same,
but changes based on how we think???

I can say, god loves me, this and that......but then why it is not
seems to be enough?

I am sorry, but once a while I think like this, and start to have lot
of doubt in "God". God seems so far away. But the fact that we need a
partner, and the fact we are alone does not change...you see.

I know there are a lot of married couple who are in trouble, it is
better off to be single than being in a troubled marriate. How many
couple do we know that has been in trouble? God or not, I think it is
hard to find a soul mate these days. People cheat, and lie, and throw
away everything so easy.

--- In christiansingles20sand30s@yahoogroups.com, riafe domingo
<sundae_faery@y...> wrote:
>
> Its a reality for us singles that in this married world, we are
fighting against loneliness and aloness.  I too feel it from time to
time.  I wish i have someone who i could hold hands, laugh with or
just the fact that some one is loving me.  But you see, if we always
wallow ourselves in that miserable longing, we are missing God's love.
What is beautiful about it is that, our Lord knows our desire thats
why He will feel it through.  Thats what He did when for 4 weeks i am
waiting for someone (that someone by the way did cheated on me and we
broke up, thanks to God, He did answer my prayer, but thats another
story)He sent new christian friends where He showed His comfort on
that trying moment on my life.
>
> God will never leave us alone.  We must focus...focus..focus our
attention to Him.  I believe that before we need someone to share our
love with, we must enjoy ourselves in God's love to the point that we
dont need that special love to make us whole.  God will complete us...
>
> God is our comfort....
>
> ria
> Eric <EricB955@a...> wrote:
> I often wish I had a girlfriend, too...but I'm not holding my breath.
> The main trouble is finding a young woman who can show me that I can
> love (romantically) again. The primary issue for me is trust; the
> outrageously high number of no-shows on various dating attempts
> damaged my trust in women on dates (especially those closer to my age
> or older).
>
> Most of the single women that are out at the places singles hang out
> at are probably not Christian at all. I have had loads of trouble
> meeting single, never before married Christian women (especially
> those of my own faith, the Roman Catholic faith) in recent years.
> Now, I'm basically restricted to dating women I know. It was all over
> between me and women closer to my age (especially those over 30) a
> long, long, long time ago. Being through a broken engagement doesn't
> help my case, either.
>
> I've pretty much given up on finding someone compatible locally.
>
> Eric

Paul says in his word that it is not good for a man to be single. If
cannot
handle being single with his sexual desires, then he should get
married. Sex
is not a sin, however it is outside of marriage. You cannot control
your
desires, but you choose not to act on them. Jason
======

I assume you meant, at the beginning, that it IS good for a man to
stay single.  Reference:  1 Cor 7:1

Chris/30/North Dakota

Is SEX a SIN? How much do you draw a line between sin, and not sin in
Sex? Is having aroused consider sin? When you look at opposite sex in
sexual way a sin? Using Sex as a pleasure sin? I thought God gave us
pleasure for our enjoyment....you do get pleasure out of sex
regardless if you are a single, or married. In both case, is are we
committing sin?

===========

-Adultery(what do the commandments indicate?)
-Lust.
-Promiscuity.

All these are symptoms/indications of one not giving full devotion to
his/her spouse:  whether the individual is married or not.

For a married couple, sex is(in my opinion-even though I have no
experience) the greatest form of love and devotion they can offer each
other.

chris/30/north dakota
co-moderator

On the subject of not having a partner and feeling alone, well I've been single
for the last 4 years or longer, and I made a decision in the beginning of 2000,
to rededicate my life to God, and that included giving up my partying, giving up
having casual (outside of marriage) sex, and giving up dating the kind of guy
who would not help me on that journey, but hinder me.  I have learned a lot
through the last four years.  I am human, so I have desires, and I get lonely,
but it's at those times, that I seek God, and he humbles me and allows me to
realize just what I get in return for my sacrifices.  I truly believe that I am
on my way to being the woman I am supposed to be when it is time for me to meet
the man I am to marry.  It is hard, and yes, there are times when you have
doubts, and when you wonder if it is really even worth it.  But I've learned,
that by relying on God, and seeking him for guidance, in return he has blessed
me in so many ways, too many to list.  It's amazing,
  God's unconditional love, and his mercy and acceptance even when our thoughts
and hearts are so far away from where he is.

Christina Walker <toughy_babe@...> wrote:God is not a result of our pain. 
As a result of our pain, we draw closer to God in faith.  Our pain is a result
of our sin and choices.  When God is in control, we may suffer a lot of pain,
but He will carry us through it.  Seek God's will in all things and He will let
you know what His will is.

oneafter99 <oneafter99@...> wrote:God is a result of our pain? Is it our
illusion, and psychological,
emotional needs to fill our needs? The world of reality is the same,
but changes based on how we think???

I can say, god loves me, this and that......but then why it is not
seems to be enough?

I am sorry, but once a while I think like this, and start to have lot
of doubt in "God". God seems so far away. But the fact that we need a
partner, and the fact we are alone does not change...you see.

I know there are a lot of married couple who are in trouble, it is
better off to be single than being in a troubled marriate. How many
couple do we know that has been in trouble? God or not, I think it is
hard to find a soul mate these days. People cheat, and lie, and throw
away everything so easy.

--- In christiansingles20sand30s@yahoogroups.com, riafe domingo
<sundae_faery@y...> wrote:
>
> Its a reality for us singles that in this married world, we are
fighting against loneliness and aloness.  I too feel it from time to
time.  I wish i have someone who i could hold hands, laugh with or
just the fact that some one is loving me.  But you see, if we always
wallow ourselves in that miserable longing, we are missing God's love.
What is beautiful about it is that, our Lord knows our desire thats
why He will feel it through.  Thats what He did when for 4 weeks i am
waiting for someone (that someone by the way did cheated on me and we
broke up, thanks to God, He did answer my prayer, but thats another
story)He sent new christian friends where He showed His comfort on
that trying moment on my life.
>
> God will never leave us alone.  We must focus...focus..focus our
attention to Him.  I believe that before we need someone to share our
love with, we must enjoy ourselves in God's love to the point that we
dont need that special love to make us whole.  God will complete us...
>
> God is our comfort....
>
> ria
> Eric <EricB955@a...> wrote:
> I often wish I had a girlfriend, too...but I'm not holding my breath.
> The main trouble is finding a young woman who can show me that I can
> love (romantically) again. The primary issue for me is trust; the
> outrageously high number of no-shows on various dating attempts
> damaged my trust in women on dates (especially those closer to my age
> or older).
>
> Most of the single women that are out at the places singles hang out
> at are probably not Christian at all. I have had loads of trouble
> meeting single, never before married Christian women (especially
> those of my own faith, the Roman Catholic faith) in recent years.
> Now, I'm basically restricted to dating women I know. It was all over
> between me and women closer to my age (especially those over 30) a
> long, long, long time ago. Being through a broken engagement doesn't
> help my case, either.
>
> I've pretty much given up on finding someone compatible locally.
>
> Eric


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I think we all have doubts at times, but looking to God in those times is what
gets us through and gives us the faith we need.  He always has a reason for
everything.  I have had a lot of struggle in the past with why I am alone, and
why God would want me to be single when it's not what I wanted.  But... I have
come to realize that it may be God's will for me to do something different than
be married and have a family, or it may be God's will for me to find someone,
someday, but I will be patient and content in whatever God has planned for me.
If you don't have faith in God, what do you have?

Lori
----- Original Message -----
   From: oneafter99
   To: christiansingles20sand30s@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 6:11 PM
   Subject: [Christian Singles 20s and 30s] Re: wish.......


   God is a result of our pain? Is it our illusion, and psychological,
   emotional needs to fill our needs? The world of reality is the same,
   but changes based on how we think???

   I can say, god loves me, this and that......but then why it is not
   seems to be enough?

   I am sorry, but once a while I think like this, and start to have lot
   of doubt in "God". God seems so far away. But the fact that we need a
   partner, and the fact we are alone does not change...you see.

   I know there are a lot of married couple who are in trouble, it is
   better off to be single than being in a troubled marriate. How many
   couple do we know that has been in trouble? God or not, I think it is
   hard to find a soul mate these days. People cheat, and lie, and throw
   away everything so easy.

   --- In christiansingles20sand30s@yahoogroups.com, riafe domingo
   <sundae_faery@y...> wrote:
   >
   > Its a reality for us singles that in this married world, we are
   fighting against loneliness and aloness.  I too feel it from time to
   time.  I wish i have someone who i could hold hands, laugh with or
   just the fact that some one is loving me.  But you see, if we always
   wallow ourselves in that miserable longing, we are missing God's love.
   What is beautiful about it is that, our Lord knows our desire thats
   why He will feel it through.  Thats what He did when for 4 weeks i am
   waiting for someone (that someone by the way did cheated on me and we
   broke up, thanks to God, He did answer my prayer, but thats another
   story)He sent new christian friends where He showed His comfort on
   that trying moment on my life.
   >
   > God will never leave us alone.  We must focus...focus..focus our
   attention to Him.  I believe that before we need someone to share our
   love with, we must enjoy ourselves in God's love to the point that we
   dont need that special love to make us whole.  God will complete us...
   >
   > God is our comfort....
   >
   > ria
   > Eric <EricB955@a...> wrote:
   > I often wish I had a girlfriend, too...but I'm not holding my breath.
   > The main trouble is finding a young woman who can show me that I can
   > love (romantically) again. The primary issue for me is trust; the
   > outrageously high number of no-shows on various dating attempts
   > damaged my trust in women on dates (especially those closer to my age
   > or older).
   >
   > Most of the single women that are out at the places singles hang out
   > at are probably not Christian at all. I have had loads of trouble
   > meeting single, never before married Christian women (especially
   > those of my own faith, the Roman Catholic faith) in recent years.
   > Now, I'm basically restricted to dating women I know. It was all over
   > between me and women closer to my age (especially those over 30) a
   > long, long, long time ago. Being through a broken engagement doesn't
   > help my case, either.
   >
   > I've pretty much given up on finding someone compatible locally.
   >
   > Eric

Hi to everyone and God bless.  Just wanted to introduce myself to
the group.  I'm a single 37 yo female living in NY.
I'm a Christian and I attend a nondenominational church.  I became
saved on New Years Eve going into 2002 so I'm a newbie in Christ.
The walk has been a struggle but I've never known such joy.

Looking forward to chatting with all of you.
Chanel

Thank you for your post. I AM serious, and sincere about all this of
course. Also, I am a new born as Christians say, and learning, and
growing.....I appreciate your patience. One of the reason I appreciate
the group is that I get many feed back, and give me guidance. I tend
to be a "deep thinker", and I have to question everything. yes, I DO
have a faith in God, but it does not mean I suddenly forget about my
wonder. Some people have been Christian longer than the other, may be
grew up in such environment from childhood. It is easier to "just
believe" if you were. (I am not being critical/judgemental). Anyways,
I was thinking about the story about Noah. God told him to do certain
things which was beyond his comprehension. But he followed it.....I
can lean that not everything can be understood by our human level, but
having the faith is enough. I then, some time think..."All I need is a
personal relationship with me and God, forget about these wonders, and
just go with a natural flow". Well....sex is one of an issue that we
can not go with a natural flow? that is why I asked....

--- In christiansingles20sand30s@yahoogroups.com, "April"
<amayshowers4@y...> wrote:
>
> I've been quietly reading your past e-mails but after these last
> couple one's I feel the need to speak up. It seems you always have
> the "what if" questions. Now I don't know you, so there's no way to
> know if your sincere in the desire to really know God better , or
> your playing devils advocate. I'll assume your sincere, so let me
> say. There is a verse in the Bible about taking every thought captive
> and not following every thing you hear or think. But to match it with
> God's word. If it's somthing you don't understand pray that God would
> explain it to you.And somtimes we have to say I don't understand but
> I trust You God so I'll do as you say. God is not a cosmic kill joy
> every word He said is for a reason. God made us He knows what is the
> absolute best for us. I've learned to trust Him. He knows what He's
> talking about.
>    Of course we are living in a broken world and your right every one
> is a sinner. But if your in a relationship with another person who
> believes the same way you do . Then when trials come we can both go
> together to God for wisdom and guidence. If I'm with a "moral" person
> but they don't have a faith in Jesus  how will they respond to
> trials...will they go drown their sadness in a bottle, or turn to an
> affair. Thats why God want's us "equaly yoked" so we'll be going in
> the same direction.How can to walk together lest they agree?
>    Read Galations 5& 6(their short) it talks about not getting caught
> up in the petty particulars it's about following Christ and doing
> YOUR best to follow the Holy Spirit. Your only responsible for your
> actions. And in following Christ may be an example to others.
>   Sorry I went on and on, but I feel so passionate about His love for
> us and I feel if we truly understood even the tiniest bit about
> Christ we wouldn't doubt one word He says.Or feel in conflict,(myself
> included) we wouldn't wonder why we're alone or why things happen.
> Not one thing happens in this world without His knowledge. He is
> Grace and He is Love and doesn't want to be parted from anyone.

What is his boundaries? Do you mean marriage? God made us, and we have
our natural instinct of desire for sex, food, etc. It can not be sin.
What about sex after divorce? or re-marry? Then, it would be sin?
Sorry, but I love sex, I do. Who does not!?

--- In christiansingles20sand30s@yahoogroups.com, Christina Walker
<toughy_babe@y...> wrote:
> Sex was designed to be enjoyed within the confines of marriage.
There are many references to sex in the bible.  God designed it for
our enjoyment as well as procreation, but to be enjoyed within His
boundaries.

Most people do not come to God until they suffer.....I see many
non-Christians living today, and quite pleased with their life never
come to search God.
--- In christiansingles20sand30s@yahoogroups.com, Christina Walker
<toughy_babe@y...> wrote:
> God is not a result of our pain.  As a result of our pain, we draw
closer to God in faith.  Our pain is a result of our sin and choices.
  When God is in control, we may suffer a lot of pain, but He will
carry us through it.  Seek God's will in all things and He will let
you know what His will is.

I am thinking about reading an article about "growing up", and how
people have their first sexual experience. I have learned 90% are
during college years. I suppose age group can be added to this
comment. So, between 18 and 21....some are even younger. I am thinking
there are so many Christians out there who understand about "sex
outside marriage is a sin", yet the rate is still so high(Christian or
non-Christian)......I am not sure how many Christians who are vergin
after age of 18? but there is something wrong with the picture here?

I have to agree sex before marriage is a sin, Not only that, it really
does a lot of damage to our body/mind. I personally SEX is a powerful,
and difficult issue........


--- In christiansingles20sand30s@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Miller"
<under_world2004@h...> wrote:
> Paul says in his word that it is not good for a man to be single. If
cannot
> handle being single with his sexual desires, then he should get
married. Sex
> is not a sin, however it is outside of marriage. You cannot control
your
> desires, but you choose not to act on them. Jason

I am thinking about reading an article about "growing up", and how
people have their first sexual experience. I have learned 90% are
during college years. I suppose age group can be added to this
comment. So, between 18 and 21....some are even younger. I am thinking
there are so many Christians out there who understand about "sex
outside marriage is a sin", yet the rate is still so high(Christian or
non-Christian)......I am not sure how many Christians who are vergin
after age of 18? but there is something wrong with the picture here?

I have to agree sex before marriage is a sin, Not only that, it really
does a lot of damage to our body/mind. I personally SEX is a powerful,
and difficult issue........

-----------
When I became a Christian about about 11 years ago, the statistic I
heard was that about 1 in 10 people were actually true Christians(that
is, faithful 24/7 instead of 1 hr a week for a church service).  My
understanding is that the ration is now slightly higher than
that...perhaps 15 out of every 100.

Any polls or statistics about sexual activity would be questionable to
me, simply because of how the word "Christian" is defined.  People who
"try to be good" or who occasionally pray or who "obey the
commandments" or make a trip to church once a week aren't "Christian"
in my book.  The fundamental trait of a Christian is a rebirth and
living a life FOR Christ 24/7.  In polls, I wonder seriously how many
fit under the true definition of Christian.  Those who fit under the
former definition aren't really followers of Christ and aren't as
likely to keep to the virtue of Chastity.  Unfortunately, even for
true Christians, some will follow to temptation and lose their virginity.

Bottom line:  My feeling is that polls about sexual activity are done
using a very broad definition of "Christian" and don't reflect the
true tendancies of born-again Christians.  However, I have no doubt
that, even if the polls were done on true born-again Christians, the
statictics would still be high enough to shock the overall Christian
community.

Chris A
30/Male/North Dakota

That is correct, I've seen it happen before, and when they recieve healing turn
back from God.

oneafter99 <oneafter99@...> wrote:Most people do not come to God until
they suffer.....I see many
non-Christians living today, and quite pleased with their life never
come to search God.
--- In christiansingles20sand30s@yahoogroups.com, Christina Walker
wrote:
> God is not a result of our pain. As a result of our pain, we draw
closer to God in faith. Our pain is a result of our sin and choices.
When God is in control, we may suffer a lot of pain, but He will
carry us through it. Seek God's will in all things and He will let
you know what His will is.







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HI welcome to the group. My name is Anthony.

Chanel <chanelllle@...> wrote:Hi to everyone and God bless. Just wanted to
introduce myself to
the group. I'm a single 37 yo female living in NY.
I'm a Christian and I attend a nondenominational church. I became
saved on New Years Eve going into 2002 so I'm a newbie in Christ.
The walk has been a struggle but I've never known such joy.

Looking forward to chatting with all of you.
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Philippians 4:13
Winter Quarter 1996
Testimony #19 by Joseph Yosuk Lee

I was making a 3.0 GPA average at UCI, and my electrical engineer professor
threatened that if I didn=t study harder, I might be forced out of graduate
school. It was the Winter Quarter of 1996, and I was miserable. I was studying
10
to 15 hours a week on my electricity and magnetism course while my electrical
engineer competitors did not study at all. I have prayed for a B, and I got
the fifth lowest score among 17 people in the class. Of course, I was
discouraged, and I started to hate engineering, which I found it boring, stupid,
and
hard. So, I asked my Catholic electrical engineering friend to tutor me so that
I could earn a B. When he told me to drop the class,  I thought I was not
going to make it in the course, and I became more depressed. I cried all the
time
and told myself that getting a $50,000 an year job was really not worth it.
At the end of that quarter, I got my B, and I could see in my electrical
engineering professor=s face and that he did not think I deserved a B.

I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13

This verse is my favorite verse in the Bible, and I am always encouraged by
it. Some non-Christians may say, AJoseph, does this verse seem to be untrue
when you did not get an A?@ The answer is Ano.@ According to Dr. J. Vernon
McGee,
the verse should be translated like this: AI can do all things in Christ
which strengtheneth me.@ In other words, Apostle Paul is saying that I can do
all
things according to God=s will and that Christ strengthens me in whatever
circumstances I am in.

Not that I speak from want; for I have learned to be content in whatever
circumstances I am. I know how to get along with humble means, and I also know
how
to live in prosperity; in any and every circumstances I have learned the
secret of being filled and going hungry, both of having abundance and suffering
need. Philippians 4:11-12

Despite my poor performance in my electrical engineering class, I was content
with my B.

When the Spring Quarter began, I was not studying at all. I was taking a
ceramics course, and I was not motivated. My electrical engineering professors
would tell me that I did not belong at UCI as a graduate student and that I was
extremely lazy. One week before the midterm, I studied and crammed for the
midterm for five hours. I prayed about five minutes, and I begged for a B. I
told
myself that God would not let me down by getting a C, and I had so much
confidence in our Lord that he would pull me through with a B. After the midterm
was
over, I was wrong. I did not get a B. Instead, I got the A+. My professor
said that I got the highest midterm score in my class.

It was God who helped me overcome my difficult trials at UCI.

                         ...AIf a man will not work, he shall not eat.@  2
Thessalonians 3:10


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I have a question for you all: "Can you still feel romantic love, or
can you no longer feel romantic love?"

While I can still feel SPIRITUAL love, I can no longer feel romantic
love. Why? This is because of the numerous bad experience with
attempting to date in the last several years. No woman (regardless of
faith) has ever been kind enough to show me that I can love (in the
romantic sense) again. Another reason is how long I've been out of a
relationship (nearly ten and a half years).

No matter how hard I pray, she hasn't come along yet. I've pretty
much accepted the fact she may never come along.

Eric

Do you think being "reiligious" or becoming "Christian", is a sign of
"weakness"? because we can not handle our own pain, and suffering, we
have a need to push our responsibility to something higher being. This
came up to me when I learned about AAA. (I have nothing against AAA, I
think is a wonderful group).

We all are paying for our school system. and for our kids....I
have always wondered why text book all over the world teaches
evolution!!? instead of Creation!?? Yet, how many Christians are there
in the World? and no one complains, nor try to protest agasint such
system. We are FORCED to answer in our shcool exam about evolution
that we do not even believe! If anyone CAN die in the name of God, but
would try to pass school exam does not make sense to me. It is like
some Christians are forcing non-Christians to believe what they want
them to believe...the same thing. If we do not beleive in evolution,
we should not have to force to learn it in School. Why no one has ever
protested...? Is there any one in the Government Christian?? or is
there any TRUTH to evolution? It must be a REASON why Evolution is
stronger than Creation all over the
world...for generations.

hi i just joined, i hope to make many friends, please do stop and say
hi thanks!

I have heard over and over
that devil take advantae of weak. It usually attacks on children. They
are easy to open door for Demon, and possess. I know it is scary, but
I know it is a real. Also, the same thing can be said about GOOD
(God). It is easy to become a Christian when you are a child. Is this
also "taking advantage"? Like LOT of people who became Christian in
childhood is because of an environment. Perhaps family were already
Christian? Probably going to Church already before they got saved!?
and hearing people preach, etc........It is like a tug of war between
good and evil. Can we possibly avoid them both, and just be free!?

hi


"But my God shall supply all my needs according to His riches in glory by Christ
Jesus."  Phil. 4:19

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God created sex. He thinks it's a great idea. God is not opposed to sex. God is
against the misuse of sex. He hates sexual immorality. God always speaks
favorably about sex when it is within marriage. But the Bible condemns all
sexual activity outside the bonds of marriage. God's word says, "Have respect
for marriage. Always be faithful to your partner, because God will punish anyone
who is immoral or unfaithful in marriage" {Hebrews 13:4}. THIS IS SERIOUS. God
labels all sexual conduct outside of marriage as sin. The Apostle Paul said,
"Don't you know that evil people won't have a share in the blessings of God's
kingdom? Don't fool yourselves! no one who is immoral or worships idols or is
unfaithful in marriage or is a pervert or behaves like a homosexual will share
in God's kingdom" {1 corinthians 6:9,10}. Do you all get the message that God
doesn't want you messing around with sexual immorality? All through the Bible,
God specifically says the same thing about sex before marriage
  or outside of marriage. He says it is wrong. { Read : 1 corinthians 6: 18-20 }.
Why should God care about your sex life? Why does he give you such strict
instructions concerning your sexuallity? Doesn't he want you to enjoy one of
life's greatest pleasures? Is he trying to cramp your style? Does he want hurt
you? To make you miserable? Is he trying to keep you frustrated all the time? NO
WAY! God wants the best for you. He wants you to enjoy your sexuality to the
fullest-at the right time and with the right person-your marriage partner! God
wants you to enjoy every gift he has given you. To enable this, he has given you
some guiding rules and regulations in his word. These principles will keep you
from hurting yourself or harming anyone else. When you live your life according
to God's will, you're happy. when you choose to disobey, you're miserable.

chris penname <test_f_i_2_luv@...> wrote:Is SEX a SIN? How much do you
draw a line between sin, and not sin in
Sex? Is having aroused consider sin? When you look at opposite sex in
sexual way a sin? Using Sex as a pleasure sin? I thought God gave us
pleasure for our enjoyment....you do get pleasure out of sex
regardless if you are a single, or married. In both case, is are we
committing sin?

===========

-Adultery(what do the commandments indicate?)
-Lust.
-Promiscuity.

All these are symptoms/indications of one not giving full devotion to
his/her spouse: whether the individual is married or not.

For a married couple, sex is(in my opinion-even though I have no
experience) the greatest form of love and devotion they can offer each
other.

chris/30/north dakota
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Hey Eric,

i hate to hear that you've had such hurtful experiences with
women...I'm completly on the other side of the spectrum from you.
For one, I'm female, but i have also been hurt by men, although I've
never known what it is to truly fall in love.  I've known friendship
and I've felt the love Christ has for me, and "crushes", but I've
never known the love of another person romantically.  So, with that
in mind, I hope I will know what it is when i find it.

I'm interested to hear what others will say.

Kim

--- In christiansingles20sand30s@yahoogroups.com, "Eric"
<EricB955@a...> wrote:
> I have a question for you all: "Can you still feel romantic love, or
> can you no longer feel romantic love?"
>
> While I can still feel SPIRITUAL love, I can no longer feel romantic
> love. Why? This is because of the numerous bad experience with
> attempting to date in the last several years. No woman (regardless
of
> faith) has ever been kind enough to show me that I can love (in the
> romantic sense) again. Another reason is how long I've been out of a
> relationship (nearly ten and a half years).
>
> No matter how hard I pray, she hasn't come along yet. I've pretty
> much accepted the fact she may never come along.
>
> Eric