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#139663 From: Lenny Flank <lflank@...>
Date: Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:14 pm
Subject: Re: Dawkins-bashing
lflank
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> From: Rudy Vonk <rudy@...>
>
> Dawkins-bashing has become rather popular recently, in this group more
> than anywhere else (well, almost!), no doubt due to his uncompromising
> atheism 


Me, I couldn't care less about his atheism.  (shrug) 



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Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"

Editor, Red and Black Publishers 
http://www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

#139664 From: Brian van der Spuy <brianvds@...>
Date: Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:03 am
Subject: Christian fundamentalist textbooks touting the Loch Ness Monster as proof of Creationism
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Christian fundamentalist textbooks touting the Loch Ness Monster as proof of Creationism


Quote: "For the 2012-2013 school year, thousands of Louisiana students will receive state-funded vouchers to attend private schools, many of which hold religious affiliations."

Question: Is this legal?


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#139665 From: David Windhorst <dbwindhorst@...>
Date: Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:31 am
Subject: Re: Christian fundamentalist textbooks touting the Loch Ness Monster as proof of Creationism
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On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 11:03 PM, Brian van der Spuy <brianvds@...> wrote:
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> Christian fundamentalist textbooks touting the Loch Ness Monster as proof of
Creationism
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http://io9.com/5921074/christian-fundamentalist-textbooks-touting-the-loch-ness-\
monster-as-proof-of-creationism
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> Quote: "For the 2012-2013 school year, thousands of Louisiana students
will receive state-funded vouchers to attend private schools, many of which
hold religious affiliations."
>
> Question: Is this legal?
>
>

Fuck, yeah, it's legal.  And although concerned voices are raised and
legal challenges brought, it seems to be getting legal-er all the
time.  Jeez, here in the South it's practically Dee Rigoor (whoever
she is...maybe she's in cahoots with that Harold Scotland joker).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_voucher#United_States

dw

#139666 From: Lenny Flank <lflank@...>
Date: Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: Christian fundamentalist textbooks touting the Loch Ness Monster as proof of Creationism
lflank
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> From: Brian van der Spuy <brianvds@...>
>  
>Christian fundamentalist textbooks touting the Loch Ness Monster as proof of
Creationism


The cryptozoology folks in the US have long been riddled with creationists. I've
had many tell me that the existence of Bigfoot "proves evolution wrong"--their
reasoning goes "evolution says all the hominids evolved into humans, Bigfoot
didn't evolve into a human, therefore evolution is wrong".  It's on the same
level as "if humans evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys".



>Quote: "For the 2012-2013 school year, thousands of Louisiana students
will receive state-funded vouchers to attend private schools, many of which
hold religious affiliations."
>
>Question: Is this legal?


There are constant court challenges to it, but yes, right now it is legal.  The
Supreme Court has decided that vouchers for private religious schools are OK as
long as there are also vouchers for private non-religious schools.

That decision is so obviously wrong-headed that it's just a matter of time (and
a change in the makeup of the court) that it will be overturned.




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Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"

Editor, Red and Black Publishers 
http://www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

#139667 From: Mikey Brass <mike@...>
Date: Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:35 pm
Subject: BBC News - US Supreme Court upholds healthcare reform law
mikearchaeology
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18630837

Interesting that a conservative judge ruled in favour of the act. Heaven help the US if Romney wins and gets to appoint the next judge to the Court.

Sent from my Windows Phone

#139668 From: Mike Torsberg <miket6562@...>
Date: Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:01 pm
Subject: Re: BBC News - US Supreme Court upholds healthcare reform law
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From: Mikey Brass <mike@...>
To: "debunkcreation@yahoogroups.com" <debunkcreation@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 11:35 AM
Subject: [DebunkCreation] BBC News - US Supreme Court upholds healthcare reform law

 
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18630837

>Interesting that a conservative judge ruled in favour of the act. Heaven help the US if Romney wins and gets to appoint the next judge to the Court.
 
It's been hilarious watching Romney speechify how horrible Obamacare is, even though it is almost identical to Romneycare... the health plan he got passed while governor of New Jersey.
 
Mike Torsberg




#139669 From: David Windhorst <dbwindhorst@...>
Date: Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:16 pm
Subject: Re: BBC News - US Supreme Court upholds healthcare reform law
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On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Mike Torsberg <miket6562@...> wrote:
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> From: Mikey Brass <mike@...>
> To: "debunkcreation@yahoogroups.com" <debunkcreation@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 11:35 AM
> Subject: [DebunkCreation] BBC News - US Supreme Court upholds healthcare
reform law
>
>
> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18630837
>
> >Interesting that a conservative judge ruled in favour of the act. Heaven help
the US if Romney wins and gets to appoint the next judge to the Court.
>
> It's been hilarious watching Romney speechify how horrible Obamacare is, even
though it is almost identical to Romneycare... the health plan he got passed
while governor of New Jersey.
>
> Mike Torsberg
>

I have to wonder if Chief Justice Roberts was thinking, "This is the
one they'll remember me for. This is my Brown vs. Board of Education.
If I put ideology in front of ethics and precedent now, I'll be in the
shitter for the rest of American history."

Or, as a friend suggested, was it more like, "I'll trade you a
healthcare vote for a vote on corporate campaign contributions"?

dw

#139670 From: Susan Gable <sgable@...>
Date: Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:46 pm
Subject: Re: BBC News - US Supreme Court upholds healthcare reform law
lainiebs
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On Jun 28, 2012, at 1:01 PM, Mike Torsberg wrote:





From: Mikey Brass <mike@...>
To: "debunkcreation@yahoogroups.com" <debunkcreation@yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 11:35 AM
Subject: [DebunkCreation] BBC News - US Supreme Court upholds healthcare reform law

>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18630837

>Interesting that a conservative judge ruled in favour of the act. Heaven help the US if Romney wins and gets to appoint the next judge to the Court.
 
It's been hilarious watching Romney speechify how horrible Obamacare is, even though it is almost identical to Romneycare... the health plan he got passed while governor of New Jersey.
 

Massachusetts.


#139671 From: "Susan" <susanstanko@...>
Date: Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:51 pm
Subject: Re: BBC News - US Supreme Court upholds healthcare reform law
susanstanko
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--- In DebunkCreation@yahoogroups.com, Mike Torsberg <miket6562@...> wrote:
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> ________________________________
> From: Mikey Brass <mike@...>
> To: "debunkcreation@yahoogroups.com" <debunkcreation@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 11:35 AM
> Subject: [DebunkCreation] BBC News - US Supreme Court upholds healthcare
reform law
>
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>  
> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18630837
>
> >Interesting that a conservative judge ruled in favour of the act. Heaven help
the US if Romney wins and gets to appoint the next judge to the Court.
>
> It's been hilarious watching Romney speechify how horrible Obamacare is, even
though it is almost identical to Romneycare... the health plan he got passed
while governor of New Jersey.
>
> Mike Torsberg
>


Susan:  He was governor of Massachusetts.

#139672 From: Mike Torsberg <miket6562@...>
Date: Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:25 pm
Subject: Re: BBC News - US Supreme Court upholds healthcare reform law
miket6562
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Susan - thanks for the correction.
 
Mike Torsberg

From: Susan Gable <sgable@...>
To: DebunkCreation@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [DebunkCreation] BBC News - US Supreme Court upholds healthcare reform law

 

On Jun 28, 2012, at 1:01 PM, Mike Torsberg wrote:





From: Mikey Brass <mike@...>
To: "debunkcreation@yahoogroups.com" <debunkcreation@yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 11:35 AM
Subject: [DebunkCreation] BBC News - US Supreme Court upholds healthcare reform law

>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18630837

>Interesting that a conservative judge ruled in favour of the act. Heaven help the US if Romney wins and gets to appoint the next judge to the Court.
 
It's been hilarious watching Romney speechify how horrible Obamacare is, even though it is almost identical to Romneycare... the health plan he got passed while governor of New Jersey.
 

Massachusetts.




#139673 From: Lenny Flank <lflank@...>
Date: Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:49 pm
Subject: Re: BBC News - US Supreme Court upholds healthcare reform law
lflank
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> From: David Windhorst <dbwindhorst@...>

> I have to wonder if Chief Justice Roberts was thinking, "This is the
> one they'll remember me for. This is my Brown vs. Board of Education.
> If I put ideology in front of ethics and precedent now, I'll be in the
> shitter for the rest of American history."


The Citizens United decision has already put the court in the shitter. People will be cursing that decision 50 years from now.

There never was any real doubt that RomneyCare/ObamaCare (they are the same thing) is constitutional. The only real gripe the Republicans ever had with ObamaCare is that it was Obama who passed it.


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Editor, Red and Black Publishers 
http://www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

#139674 From: Marcello Jun de Oliveira <marcellojun@...>
Date: Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:01 pm
Subject: Re: BBC News - US Supreme Court upholds healthcare reform law
marcellojun
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That, and Bush v. Gore.

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Otorhinolaryngology
Facial Plastic & Reconstructive Surgery




On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Lenny Flank <lflank@...> wrote:
The Citizens United decision has already put the court in the shitter.


#139675 From: Joe Cooper <joe0727@...>
Date: Mon Jul 2, 2012 3:41 pm
Subject: Only 43% Now Believe America Is The Last Best Hope of Mankind
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#139676 From: Mikey Brass <mike@...>
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2012 2:09 pm
Subject: FW: Evolution and climate evolution update: July 6, 2012
mikearchaeology
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From: Glenn Branch
Sent: 06/07/2012 15:08
To: ncse-news
Subject: Evolution and climate evolution update: July 6, 2012
Dear Friends of NCSE,

The latest twist in the Freshwater saga. A new poll on climate change.
And a new discussion of the challenges to teaching evolution from
Michael Berkman and Eric Plutzer, the authors of Evolution,
Creationism, and the Battle to Control America's Classrooms.

FRESHWATER APPEAL TO BE HEARD

The Ohio Supreme Court will hear the appeal of John Freshwater, the
middle school science teacher in Mount Vernon, Ohio, who was fired
over his inappropriate religious activity in the classroom, including
teaching creationism. The Associated Press (July 5, 2012) summarized,
"The court said Freshwater can argue that it is unconstitutional to
fire someone without clear guidance on what teaching materials or
methods are acceptable. Freshwater also can argue that it is
unconstitutional to fire someone over the mere presence of a religious
text like the Bible in the classroom."

In 2008, a local family accused Freshwater of engaging in
inappropriate religious activity and sued Freshwater and the district.
The Mount Vernon City School Board then voted to begin proceedings to
terminate his employment. After thorough administrative hearings that
proceeded over two years and involved more than eighty witnesses, the
referee presiding over the hearings issued his recommendation that the
board terminate Freshwater's employment with the district, and the
board voted to do so in January 2011. (The lawsuit against Freshwater
was settled in the meantime.)

Freshwater challenged his termination in the Knox County Court of
Common Pleas in February 2011. When the challenge was unsuccessful, he
then appealed the decision to Ohio's Fifth District Court of Appeals
in December 2011. NCSE filed a friend-of-the-court brief with the
appellate court, arguing that Freshwater's materials and methods
concerning evolution "have no basis in science and serve no
pedagogical purpose." In March 2012, the Fifth District Court of
Appeals upheld the lower court's rejection of Freshwater's challenge.
Freshwater then appealed that decision to the Ohio Supreme Court in
April 2012.

Documents relevant to Freshwater's termination and the subsequent
court case are available on NCSE's website. Extensive blog coverage of
the Freshwater saga, including Richard B. Hoppe's day-by-day account
of Freshwater's termination hearing, is available at The Panda's Thumb
blog; search for "Freshwater". Hoppe also recently contributed "Dover
Comes to Ohio" -- a detailed account from a local observer of the
whole fracas, from the precipitating incident to Freshwater's appeal
-- to Reports of the National Center for Science Education 32:1.

For the Associated Press article (via the San Francisco Chronicle), visit:
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Ohio-court-to-hear-appeal-of-teacher-in-Bible\
-case-3685906.php

For NCSE's friend-of-the-court brief (PDF), visit:
http://ncse.com/webfm_send/1716

For NCSE's collection of materials from the case, visit:
http://ncse.com/creationism/legal/freshwater-termination-hearing

For The Panda's Thumb blog, visit:
http://pandasthumb.org/

For Hoppe's "Dover Comes to Ohio" (PDF), visit:
http://reports.ncse.com/index.php/rncse/article/view/99/92

And for NCSE's previous coverage of events in Ohio, visit:
http://ncse.com/news/ohio

A NEW POLL ON CLIMATE CHANGE

Almost three in four of Americans accept recent global warming,
according to a new poll conducted for the Washington Post and Stanford
University -- but only three in ten agree that it is mainly due to
human activity.

Asked "Do you think that the world's temperature probably has been
going up ["slowly" was used with half of the sample] over the past 100
years, or do you think this probably has not been happening?" 73% of
respondents said yes, 25% of respondents said no, and 2% indicated
that they didn't know or refused to answer.

Asked (with two different wordings) about the cause of the rise in the
world's temperature, 30% agreed that it was due mostly to human
activity, 22% agreed that it was due mostly by natural causes, 47%
agreed that it was due about equally to human activity, and 1%
indicated that they didn't know or refused to answer.

Asked "How much do you trust the things that scientists say about
global warming?" 6% of respondents responded "completely," 22% "a
lot," 33% "a moderate amount," 26% "little," 11% "not at all," and 1%
indicated that they didn't know or refused to answer.

For the first two of these questions, about the rise in the world's
temperature and its cause, the report of the poll provides comparable
data extending back to March 2006; the third question, about trusting
scientists about global warming, was new.

According to the report of the poll, it "was conducted by telephone
June 13 to 21, 2012, among a random national sample of 804 adults,
including landline and cell phone-only respondents. The results from
the full survey have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.5
percentage points."

For the report of the poll (PDF), visit:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/documents/global-warming-poll.pdf

And for NCSE's collection of polls and surveys on climate change, visit:
http://ncse.com/polls/polls-climate-change

"AN EVOLVING CONTROVERSY"

Will a new generation of science standards improve the teaching of
science? Writing in the summer 2012 issue of American Educator,
Michael Berkman and Eric Plutzer, the Pennsylvania State University
political science professors who coauthored Evolution, Creationism,
and the Battle to Control America's Classrooms (Cambridge University
Press, 2010), offer their view: "We see a rough road ahead for
teachers." Noting that A Framework for K-12 Science Education -- on
which the Next Generation Science Standards now under development are
based -- emphasizes the centrality of evolution in the life sciences,
they note that evolutionary biology is poised to become "much more
salient for many teachers who have never before had to teach it." They
add, "Understanding the challenges of teaching evolution has
increasing relevance, therefore, across the science curriculum and
speaks to more general debates concerning the importance of teachers
having deep content knowledge."

After discussing the basis for the scientific consensus on evolution,
Berkman and Plutzer review the current public opinion polls on
teaching evolution and creationism in the public schools, the
religious roots of antievolutionism, and their own national poll of
public high school biology teachers, which revealed that only 28% are
"clear advocates of evolutionary biology," while 13% are advocates of
creationism and 60% are in the "cautious middle," many of whom "do not
feel like they have the expertise they need to confidently teach
evolutionary biology in a rigorous and unapologetic manner."
Emphasizing the importance to society of a sound science education,
they express hope that "educators will be supported by their
administrators and community members so they can teach evolution,
climate change, the antiquity of the universe, and any other socially
controversial subject with the same commitment to scientific accuracy
as when they teach other topics in science."

For Berkman and Plutzer's "An Evolving Controversy" (PDF), visit:
http://www.aft.org/pdfs/americaneducator/summer2012/berkman_plutzer.pdf

For Berkman, Pacheco, and Plutzer's report on their national poll of
teachers, visit:
http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pbio.0060124

Thanks for reading.  And don't forget to visit NCSE's website --
http://ncse.com -- where you can always find the latest news on
evolution and climate education and threats to them.

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#139677 From: Ian Robinson <net@...>
Date: Sat Jul 7, 2012 9:47 pm
Subject: Looks like I might have to get off my ass...
canicula9
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...and become active in a Northern Ireland anti-YEC idiocy. Here's why:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18728703

Luckily my batteries are fully charged.

How is everyone BTW? :)

Ian
--
Belfast - UK
Twitter: @IanRobinson

#139678 From: "Roger" <stanyardroger@...>
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2012 1:11 pm
Subject: Re: Looks like I might have to get off my ass...
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--- In DebunkCreation@yahoogroups.com, Ian Robinson <net@...> wrote:
>
> ...and become active in a Northern Ireland anti-YEC idiocy. Here's why:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18728703
>
> Luckily my batteries are fully charged.
>
> How is everyone BTW? :)
>
> Ian
> --
> Belfast - UK
> Twitter: @IanRobinson
>

Yer, it's caused no end of a stink. Basically the National Trust has been shit
on from a very great height by the cretinists who are now gloating about their
alleged victory.

#139679 From: Lenny Flank <lflank@...>
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2012 2:59 pm
Subject: Re: Looks like I might have to get off my ass...
lflank
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Welcome back to the fold.  ;)

The fight here in the US is essentially over. The fundies play virtually no role
in the national Republican party. As in every election year the local nutters
are grandstanding, but they have no real influence.

Lenny Flank



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On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 5:47 PM EDT Ian Robinson wrote:

>...and become active in a Northern Ireland anti-YEC idiocy. Here's why:
>
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18728703
>
>Luckily my batteries are fully charged.
>
>How is everyone BTW? :)
>
>Ian
>--
>Belfast - UK
>Twitter: @IanRobinson
>
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#139680 From: <humancarol@...>
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:51 pm
Subject: Evolution debate will be over in 10-15 years
HumanCarol
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Evolution, Humanism, and Conservation: The Humanist Interview with Richard Leakey

---end of excerpt---

http://thehumanist.org/july-august-2012/evolution-humanism-and-conservation-the-humanist-interview-with-richard-leakey/

#139681 From: Lenny Flank <lflank@...>
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2012 4:03 pm
Subject: Re: Evolution debate will be over in 10-15 years
lflank
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It's already over, at least here in the US. The creationists have lost every
court fight they've ever been in, the Republican party ignores them entirely,
nobody anywhere in the election even mentions them. They're dead as a ma kernel.




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On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 11:51 AM EDT humancarol@... wrote:

>Evolution, Humanism, and Conservation: The Humanist Interview with Richard
Leakey
>
>
>
>by: Ryan Shaffer
>
> 				 Published in the July / August 2012 Humanist
>In May, Leakey made headlines with a prediction that in ten to fifteen
>years the evolution debate will be over. He was in New York City to
>promote the Turkana Basin Institute and attended a benefit concert given
> by his friend Paul Simon. Leakey told reporters: “If you get to the
>stage where you can persuade people on the evidence, that it’s solid,
>that we are all African, that color is superficial, that stages of
>development of culture are all interactive, then I think we have a
>chance of a world that will respond better to global challenges.” This
>past fall, I spoke with Leakey about his various activities, and his
>philosophy regarding science and religion. Besides his academic and
>conservation work, Leakey is a humanist who has long supported
>rationalist associations and advocated for teaching evolution in public
>schools. Typical of Leakey’s reputation, he did not hold back on his
>opinions and gave insight into current social issues.---end of excerpt---
>http://thehumanist.org/july-august-2012/evolution-humanism-and-conservation-the\
-humanist-interview-with-richard-leakey/

#139682 From: Andrew <scalisti@...>
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2012 4:47 pm
Subject: Re: Evolution debate will be over in 10-15 years
scalisti
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I understand what you're getting at, but what's a "ma kernel?" 



From: Lenny Flank <lflank@...>
To: debunkcreation@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [DebunkCreation] Evolution debate will be over in 10-15 years

 


It's already over, at least here in the US. The creationists have lost every court fight they've ever been in, the Republican party ignores them entirely, nobody anywhere in the election even mentions them. They're dead as a ma kernel.

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On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 11:51 AM EDT humancarol@... wrote:

>Evolution, Humanism, and Conservation: The Humanist Interview with Richard Leakey
>
>
>
>by: Ryan Shaffer
>
> Published in the July / August 2012 Humanist
>In May, Leakey made headlines with a prediction that in ten to fifteen
>years the evolution debate will be over. He was in New York City to
>promote the Turkana Basin Institute and attended a benefit concert given
> by his friend Paul Simon. Leakey told reporters: “If you get to the
>stage where you can persuade people on the evidence, that it’s solid,
>that we are all African, that color is superficial, that stages of
>development of culture are all interactive, then I think we have a
>chance of a world that will respond better to global challenges.” This
>past fall, I spoke with Leakey about his various activities, and his
>philosophy regarding science and religion. Besides his academic and
>conservation work, Leakey is a humanist who has long supported
>rationalist associations and advocated for teaching evolution in public
>schools. Typical of Leakey’s reputation, he did not hold back on his
>opinions and gave insight into current social issues.---end of excerpt---
>http://thehumanist.org/july-august-2012/evolution-humanism-and-conservation-the-humanist-interview-with-richard-leakey/



#139683 From: "Susan" <susanstanko@...>
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2012 4:57 pm
Subject: Re: Evolution debate will be over in 10-15 years
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Susan:  It probably was supposed to be mackerel and auto correct helped him out.

--- In DebunkCreation@yahoogroups.com, Andrew <scalisti@...> wrote:
>
> I understand what you're getting at, but what's a "ma kernel?" 
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Lenny Flank <lflank@...>
> To: debunkcreation@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 11:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [DebunkCreation] Evolution debate will be over in 10-15 years
>
>
>  
>
>
> It's already over, at least here in the US. The creationists have lost every
court fight they've ever been in, the Republican party ignores them entirely,
nobody anywhere in the election even mentions them. They're dead as a ma kernel.
>
> ------------------------------
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 11:51 AM EDT humancarol@... wrote:
>
> >Evolution, Humanism, and Conservation: The Humanist Interview with Richard
Leakey
> >
> >
> >
> >by: Ryan Shaffer
> >
> > 				 Published in the July / August 2012 Humanist
> >In May, Leakey made headlines with a prediction that in ten to fifteen
> >years the evolution debate will be over. He was in New York City to
> >promote the Turkana Basin Institute and attended a benefit concert given
> > by his friend Paul Simon. Leakey told reporters: “If you get to the
> >stage where you can persuade people on the evidence, that it’s solid,
> >that we are all African, that color is superficial, that stages of
> >development of culture are all interactive, then I think we have a
> >chance of a world that will respond better to global challenges.” This
> >past fall, I spoke with Leakey about his various activities, and his
> >philosophy regarding science and religion. Besides his academic and
> >conservation work, Leakey is a humanist who has long supported
> >rationalist associations and advocated for teaching evolution in public
> >schools. Typical of Leakey’s reputation, he did not hold back on his
> >opinions and gave insight into current social issues.---end of excerpt---
>
>http://thehumanist.org/july-august-2012/evolution-humanism-and-conservation-the\
-humanist-interview-with-richard-leakey/
>

#139684 From: "HumanCarol" <humancarol@...>
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2012 5:17 pm
Subject: Re: Evolution debate will be over in 10-15 years
HumanCarol
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Lenny Flank <lflank@...> wrote:
> It's already over, at least here in the US. The creationists have lost every
court fight they've ever been in,>>

Yes, but that doesn't prevent them from persisting in their campaign for
teaching both sidews.

<< the Republican party ignores them entirely, nobody anywhere in the election
even mentions them. They're dead as a ma kernel.>>

"I'm not exactly sure what is meant by intelligent design, ... But I believe God
is intelligent and I believe he designed the creation. And I believe he used the
process of evolution to create the human body."--Mitt Romney, 2007

Five years ago, but I expect it will come up again in the campaign.

If it was over, the Freshwater case would be OVER.

"The Ohio Supreme Court will hear the appeal of John Freshwater, the middle
school science teacher in Mount Vernon, Ohio, who was fired over his
inappropriate religious activity in the classroom, including teaching
creationism." source: NCSE

#139685 From: "HumanCarol" <humancarol@...>
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2012 5:19 pm
Subject: Re: Evolution debate will be over in 10-15 years
HumanCarol
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<<If it was over, the Freshwater case would be OVER.>>

Will a new generation of science standards improve the teaching of science?
Writing in the summer 2012 issue of American Educator, Michael Berkman and Eric
Plutzer, the Pennsylvania State University political science professors who
coauthored Evolution, Creationism, and the Battle to Control America's
Classrooms (Cambridge University Press, 2010), offer (PDF) their view: "We see a
rough road ahead for teachers." Noting that A Framework for K-12 Science
Education — on which the Next Generation Science Standards now under development
are based — emphasizes the centrality of evolution in the life sciences, they
note that evolutionary biology is poised to become "much more salient for many
teachers who have never before had to teach it." They add, "Understanding the
challenges of teaching evolution has increasing relevance, therefore, across the
science curriculum and speaks to more general debates concerning the importance
of teachers having deep content knowledge."
---end of excerpt---

http://ncse.com/news/2012/07/evolving-controversy-007487

#139686 From: "HumanCarol" <humancarol@...>
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2012 5:20 pm
Subject: Re: Evolution debate will be over in 10-15 years
HumanCarol
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<<If it was over, the Freshwater case would be OVER.>>

http://ncse.com/news/2012/06/cringing-kansas-007454

#139687 From: Mikey Brass <mike@...>
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2012 6:08 pm
Subject: FW: Re: Evolution debate will be over in 10-15
mikearchaeology
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Sent from my Windows Phone

From: humancarol@...
Sent: 09/07/2012 19:04
To: Mikey Brass
Subject: RE: [DebunkCreation] Re: Evolution debate will be over in 10-15

perhaps you intended to comment on-list but sent your message to my private email instead.

--- On Mon, 7/9/12, Mikey Brass <mikearchaeology@...> wrote:

From: Mikey Brass <mikearchaeology@...>
Subject: RE: [DebunkCreation] Re: Evolution debate will be over in 10-15
To: "HumanCarol" <humancarol@...>
Date: Monday, July 9, 2012, 12:31 PM

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Romney's view back then would be described as theistic evolution, not
creationism.

The problem is that these people continue to wield enormous social
influence which is affecting the teaching of biology to the next
generation.

Sent from my Windows Phone
From: HumanCarol
Sent: 09/07/2012 18:17
To: DebunkCreation@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DebunkCreation] Re: Evolution debate will be over in 10-15
years
Lenny Flank <lflank@...> wrote:
> It's already over, at least here in the US. The creationists have lost every court fight they've ever been in,>>

Yes, but that doesn't prevent them from persisting in their campaign
for teaching both sidews.

<< the Republican party ignores them entirely, nobody anywhere in the
election even mentions them. They're dead as a ma kernel.>>

"I'm not exactly sure what is meant by intelligent design, ... But I
believe God is intelligent and I believe he designed the creation. And
I believe he used the process of evolution to create the human
body."--Mitt Romney, 2007

Five years ago, but I expect it will come up again in the campaign.

If it was over, the Freshwater case would be OVER.

"The Ohio Supreme Court will hear the appeal of John Freshwater, the
middle school science teacher in Mount Vernon, Ohio, who was fired
over his inappropriate religious activity in the classroom, including
teaching creationism." source: NCSE



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#139688 From: "HumanCarol" <humancarol@...>
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2012 6:36 pm
Subject: FW: Re: Evolution debate will be over in 10-15
HumanCarol
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> Lenny Flank <lflank@> wrote:
> > It's already over, at least here in the US. The creationists have lost every
court fight they've ever been in,>>

cs:> Yes, but that doesn't prevent them from persisting in their campaign for
teaching both sides.

> << the Republican party ignores them entirely, nobody anywhere in the election
even mentions them. They're dead as a ma kernel.>>

> "I'm not exactly sure what is meant by intelligent design, ... But I
> believe God is intelligent and I believe he designed the creation. And I
believe he used the process of evolution to create the human
> body."--Mitt Romney, 2007

cs:> Five years ago, but I expect it will come up again in the campaign.
> If it was over, the Freshwater case would be OVER.
> "The Ohio Supreme Court will hear the appeal of John Freshwater, the middle
school science teacher in Mount Vernon, Ohio, who was fired over his
inappropriate religious activity in the classroom, including teaching
creationism." source: NCSE

On *Mon, 7/9/12, Mikey Brass <mikearchaeology@...>* wrote:

> Romney's view back then would be described as theistic evolution, not
creationism.>>

I agree. I pointed to that because it was an indication the issue definitely
comes up in elections/campaigns.

> The problem is that these people continue to wield enormous social
> influence which is affecting the teaching of biology to the next
> generation.>>

I agree that continues to be a problem. I don't expect it to disappear any time
soon as Leakey seems to think.

#139689 From: Lenny Flank <lflank@...>
Date: Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:10 am
Subject: Re: Evolution debate will be over in 10-15 years
lflank
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Mackerel. I never got the hang of this "thumb typing" thing.  :)



------------------------------
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 12:47 PM EDT Andrew wrote:

>I understand what you're getting at, but what's a "ma kernel?" 
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Lenny Flank <lflank@...>
>To: debunkcreation@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 11:03 AM
>Subject: Re: [DebunkCreation] Evolution debate will be over in 10-15 years
>
>
> 
>
>
>It's already over, at least here in the US. The creationists have lost every
court fight they've ever been in, the Republican party ignores them entirely,
nobody anywhere in the election even mentions them. They're dead as a ma kernel.
>
>------------------------------
>On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 11:51 AM EDT humancarol@... wrote:
>
>>Evolution, Humanism, and Conservation: The Humanist Interview with Richard
Leakey
>>
>>
>>
>>by: Ryan Shaffer
>>
>> 				 Published in the July / August 2012 Humanist
>>In May, Leakey made headlines with a prediction that in ten to fifteen
>>years the evolution debate will be over. He was in New York City to
>>promote the Turkana Basin Institute and attended a benefit concert given
>> by his friend Paul Simon. Leakey told reporters: “If you get to the
>>stage where you can persuade people on the evidence, that it’s solid,
>>that we are all African, that color is superficial, that stages of
>>development of culture are all interactive, then I think we have a
>>chance of a world that will respond better to global challenges.” This
>>past fall, I spoke with Leakey about his various activities, and his
>>philosophy regarding science and religion. Besides his academic and
>>conservation work, Leakey is a humanist who has long supported
>>rationalist associations and advocated for teaching evolution in public
>>schools. Typical of Leakey’s reputation, he did not hold back on his
>>opinions and gave insight into current social issues.---end of excerpt---
>>http://thehumanist.org/july-august-2012/evolution-humanism-and-conservation-th\
e-humanist-interview-with-richard-leakey/
>
>

#139690 From: <humancarol@...>
Date: Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:48 pm
Subject: No More Teaching 'Critical Thinking Skills' in TX Public Schools
HumanCarol
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Texas GOP Declares: "No More Teaching of 'Critical Thinking Skills' in Texas Public Schools"
---excerpt---
The Republican Party of Texas has issued their 2012 political platform and has come out and blatantly opposed critical thinking in public schools throughout the state. If you wonder what took them so long to actually state that publicly, it is really a matter of timing. With irrationality now the norm and an election hovering over the 2012 horizon, the timing of the Republican GOP announcement against "critical thinking" instruction couldn't be better.  It helps gin up their anti-intellectual base.

http://truth-out.org/news/item/10144-texas-gop-declares-no-more-teaching-of-critical-thinking-skills-in-texas-public-schools

#139691 From: "Roger" <stanyardroger@...>
Date: Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:59 pm
Subject: Re: No More Teaching 'Critical Thinking Skills' in TX Public Schools
stanyardroger
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--- In DebunkCreation@yahoogroups.com, <humancarol@...> wrote:
>
> Texas GOP Declares: "No More Teaching of 'Critical Thinking Skills' in Texas
Public Schools"---excerpt---The Republican Party of Texas has issued their 2012
political platform and has come out and blatantly opposed critical thinking in
public schools throughout the state. If you wonder what took them so long to
actually state that publicly, it is really a matter of timing. With
irrationality now the norm and an election hovering over the 2012 horizon, the
timing of the Republican GOP announcement against "critical thinking"
instruction couldn't be better.  It helps gin up their anti-intellectual base.
>
http://truth-out.org/news/item/10144-texas-gop-declares-no-more-teaching-of-crit\
ical-thinking-skills-in-texas-public-schools

Yer, they are really hot on education. The same document says that only
"American English" should be taught in schools. Snigger

#139692 From: Mikey Brass <mike@...>
Date: Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:18 pm
Subject: RE: No More Teaching 'Critical Thinking Skills'
mikearchaeology
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dumbarse Texans.

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