I'm just now finishing up reading Paul Davies' new book "The Fifth Miracle", concerning abiogenesis and the origin of life. Anybody out there seen it yet?...
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lflank@xx.xxx
Apr 17, 1999 3:27 am
Hi everyone. Since the list is less than a week old there aren't very many people subscribed yet, but there are enough of us to get a discussion going. How...
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jarofclay@...
Apr 20, 1999 12:47 pm
"Depends on what atoms, doesn't it. DNA is nothing but a string of atoms." Creation proposes that there is an intelligent designer behind the complex systems...
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jarofclay@...
Apr 20, 1999 12:50 pm
"Nothing" but a string of atoms? Evolutionists as notorious for making general statements about the evolution of complex stuctures. For example, scientist...
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jarofclay@...
Apr 20, 1999 12:53 pm
"Of course it does, life is nothing but chemical strings. As for your "irreducibly complex" baloney, there isn't anything on earth that is "irreducibly...
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jarofclay@...
Apr 20, 1999 12:57 pm
... have been formed by numerous successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down." (Darwin, C. "Origin of Species") Indeed the eye,...
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jarofclay@...
Apr 20, 1999 12:59 pm
Natural selection asserts that the slightest favorable mutations will be maintained and spread throughout a breeding population so that further favorable...
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lflank@...
Apr 20, 1999 3:10 pm
However, the "irreducibly complex" argument still stands, as does the classic 'watch" ... <yawn> Paley's "watch" argument was refuted by Hume some 200 years...
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lflank@...
Apr 20, 1999 3:10 pm
... Darwin's been dead for over 100 years now. We've found fossils that he never even dreamed of. Triadobatrachus, Ichthyostega, Pachyrachis, Ambulocetus, ...
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lflank@...
Apr 20, 1999 3:10 pm
... "An" intelligent designer? Why not two? Or Ten? Or a committee of one hundred? How can we determine these questions scientifically? Or are we just...
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lflank@...
Apr 20, 1999 3:10 pm
... Would you please define "complexity" for us . . . ? Is an oak tree more or less complex than a T rex, and how can we tell? How do we measure...
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lflank@...
Apr 20, 1999 3:10 pm
... Correct. DNA is nothing but a string of atoms. A carbon atom is a carbon atom, whether it is in a strand of DNA or in a lump of coal. Feel free to tell...
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Nicola Gebendinger
ngeb@...
Apr 20, 1999 5:57 pm
Da: lflank@... <lflank@...> A: DebunkCreation@onelist.com <DebunkCreation@onelist.com> Data: martedì 20 aprile 1999 17.57 Oggetto: [DebunkCreation] Re:...
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Nicola Gebendinger
ngeb@...
Apr 20, 1999 5:52 pm
Da: lflank@... <lflank@...> A: DebunkCreation@onelist.com <DebunkCreation@onelist.com> Data: martedì 20 aprile 1999 17.57 Oggetto: [DebunkCreation] Re:...
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lflank@...
Apr 21, 1999 8:01 am
... True enough. But the fundies have VERY specific "purposes"; and "meanings"; in mind when they talk about an "intelligent designer" . . . and they don't get...
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lflank@...
Apr 21, 1999 8:01 am
... Ahhhh, now you've caught on . . . Whenever I talk to fundies about transitional fossils, I always use the genera mentioned above, for the simple reason...
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Nicola Gebendinger
ngeb@...
Apr 21, 1999 8:19 am
Da: lflank@... <lflank@...> A: DebunkCreation@onelist.com <DebunkCreation@onelist.com> Data: mercoledì 21 aprile 1999 8.56 Oggetto: [DebunkCreation] Re:...
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shellshell
shellshell@xxxxxxxx.x...
Apr 21, 1999 3:12 pm
Dear List All this argy bargy I have read over the last few days does not actually prove anything. Even if the Christian successfully proves that life cannot...
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lflank@...
Apr 21, 1999 4:52 pm
... I'm just an amateur herpetologist (notice that most of the transitionals I listed pertain to reptiles or amphibians). I'm a writer by trade (specializing...
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lflank@...
Apr 21, 1999 4:52 pm
... Plenty of creatures "see" with their skin to varying degrees. ... Indeed. Some worms even have little cups of skin which contain light-sensitive cells on...
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jarofclay@...
Apr 21, 1999 5:53 pm
You refute the creationist position with the statement: "The refutation is simple---tell us all what it was that designed your "designer";." However, this is a...
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lflank@...
Apr 21, 1999 6:50 pm
... is without beginning and therefore was not designed. So your argument in favor of design---"everything must be designed"--is wrong, since you yourself...
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Michael Suttkus
suttkus@...
Apr 21, 1999 6:56 pm
... The premise was refuted by the simple observation that very complex things can and do appear without a designer. Furthermore, computer programs have...
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Nicola Gebendinger
ngeb@...
Apr 21, 1999 7:09 pm
Da: lflank@... <lflank@...> A: DebunkCreation@onelist.com <DebunkCreation@onelist.com> Data: mercoledì 21 aprile 1999 17.49 Oggetto: [DebunkCreation]...
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Michael Suttkus
suttkus@...
Apr 21, 1999 7:19 pm
... Right, the fact that vertebrates have to look through their own veins and arteries is really great design. Panda's thumbs are incredible design. Genes...
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Nicola Gebendinger
ngeb@...
Apr 21, 1999 7:33 pm
Da: jarofclay@... <jarofclay@...> A: DebunkCreation@onelist.com <DebunkCreation@onelist.com> Data: mercoledì 21 aprile 1999 19.16 Oggetto:...
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Nicola Gebendinger
ngeb@...
Apr 21, 1999 7:33 pm
Da: lflank@... <lflank@...> A: DebunkCreation@onelist.com <DebunkCreation@onelist.com> Data: mercoledì 21 aprile 1999 19.45 Oggetto: [DebunkCreation]...
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Michael Suttkus
suttkus@...
Apr 21, 1999 7:49 pm
... Creationists are notorious for making general statements about everything. You know "God did it that way." I can't imagine anything more general than...
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Michael Suttkus
suttkus@...
Apr 21, 1999 7:56 pm
... And some opponents do that on their own. Like, for instance, debating a point without having done any research on the opposition. ... I, and many others,...
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Michael Suttkus
suttkus@...
Apr 21, 1999 8:16 pm
... No, but the massive amount of evidence that links the structure of the modern eye to it's predecessors is a little hard to ignore. ... I find quantum...
