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#57697

From: Ray Kornele <krazykyngekorny@...>
Date: Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:33 pm
Subject: Re: [DIY] Circuit breaker boxes

krazykyngekorny

California, and other states, outlawed aluminum back in the late 70s, for the reasons I have quoted PLUS attaching copper to aluminum makes a hot joint. Yes, I am fully familiar with both copper and aluminum. I worked in the field for over thirty years.

For those who want to take the advice of professionals (those who charge for their service) rather than experts (those who know what the he!! they are talking about), yes, aluminum is legal if you jump through all the hoops. It is STILL daqngerous, and those who care for your safety will tell you so.
KrazyKyngeKorny (Krazy, not stupid)

On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 1:07 PM, petey_racer <petey_racer@...> wrote:

�

Then you are obviously not a professional in the field and are not very familiar with this stuff.
Aluminum is FINE in most settings, especially residential.
AL is NOT "unsafe". If it were it would not be allowed to be sold, no?
IMO your "set in stone rule" is simply dramatics based on hearsay and rumor as opposed to facts. Or do you have facts to support your claims??

--- In DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com, Ray Kornele <krazykyngekorny@...> wrote:
>
> I have a rule set in stone. ALWAYS use copper. Aluminum is IMHO unsafe. It
> Heats, even at rated load, and below.
> KrazyKyngeKorny (Krazy, not stupid)
>

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#57698

From: Dale S <dalu@...>
Date: Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:47 pm
Subject: Re: [DIY] Circuit breaker boxes

Both Square D boxes are fine, how ever the Homeline is not as heavy duty as is the QO line.� I use home line in residential settings but even in my own single user home shop I prefer the QO breakers.� It appears that in instances where the breaker might be switched off and on more often the QO is better suited.� Residents seldom resort to using the breaker in lue of a wall switch.

Dale in the Flat Lands:----- Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.
~Ronald Reagan

Ron Johnson wrote:

� I went to Lowe�s and they have three different styles: one by Murray, and two from Square D � the red and the blue.� I�ve priced both the boxes and the circuit breakers and there is a big difference there.

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#57699

From: "petey_racer" <petey_racer@...>
Date: Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:20 pm
Subject: Re: [DIY] Circuit breaker boxes

Wow. I did not know that Kalifornia outlawed aluminum all together. Feeders?
Panel busses? Everything? Tell me more.
I was only aware of small conductors being discontinued.
I also hardly think what goes on in california is ANY basis for comparison the
rest of the normal world.

Funny, so are you a professional, or an expert? If an "expert" what are your
credentials?
I don't claim to be an expert, but I am a professional and I certainly DO know
what the hell I am talking about.

No one said anything about a CU to AL connection. Any professional knows this is
not allowed and special splices must be used, like CU/AL bugs, or Polaris
connectors.
I thought the discussion was about panels. I was not aware that this was the
vilification of aluminum forum.

Sorry, aluminum is NOT "dangerous", if installed properly....same as copper.

--- In DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com, Ray Kornele <krazykyngekorny@...> wrote:
>
> California, and other states, outlawed aluminum back in the late 70s, for
> the reasons I have quoted PLUS attaching copper to aluminum makes a hot
> joint. Yes, I am fully familiar with both copper and aluminum. I worked in
> the field for over thirty years.
>
> For those who want to take the advice of professionals (those who charge
> for their service) rather than experts (those who know what the he!! they
> are talking about), yes, aluminum is legal if you jump through all the
> hoops. It is STILL daqngerous, and those who care for your safety will tell
> you so.
> KrazyKyngeKorny (Krazy, not stupid)
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 1:07 PM, petey_racer <petey_racer@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Then you are obviously not a professional in the field and are not very
> > familiar with this stuff.
> > Aluminum is FINE in most settings, especially residential.
> > AL is NOT "unsafe". If it were it would not be allowed to be sold, no?
> > IMO your "set in stone rule" is simply dramatics based on hearsay and
> > rumor as opposed to facts. Or do you have facts to support your claims??
> >
> > --- In DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com, Ray Kornele <krazykyngekorny@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a rule set in stone. ALWAYS use copper. Aluminum is IMHO unsafe.
> > It
> > > Heats, even at rated load, and below.
> > > KrazyKyngeKorny (Krazy, not stupid)
> > >
> >
>

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#57700

From: "wired" <wiredformen@...>
Date: Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:23 pm
Subject: Re: Circuit breaker boxes

Everyone is stuck on Square D.  I think Cutler Hammer type CH is superior. 
Copper bus bars AND the breakers have a spring clip on the prongs where they
attach to the bus bar fingers. Square D QO does not.
Do NOT get Cutler hammer type BR. That is an old design merely bough out by
Cutler Hammer, not the original.

--- In DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com, Ron Johnson <l0c0l0b0@...> wrote:
>
>
> We recently bought a house that's a little on the old side.  I am rerunning
wires because it looks so chaotic, I really don't know how the place didn't burn
down.  I would love to go into the problems I've come across but I'm sure most
of you have already been there.
>
> This is a duplex that the previous owner was in the process of turning into a
single family unit.  As a result, I need to install a new circuit breaker box
for each side.  I went to Lowe's and they have three different styles: one by
Murray, and two from Square D � the red and the blue.  I've priced both the
boxes and the circuit breakers and there is a big difference there.
>
> So my question is:  Is there a major difference among these boxes?  Is one
really better than the others?  I assume the most expensive would be the best,
but that's not always the case.  Anyone out there have opinions?  I would
appreciate it.  Thanks.
>

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#57701

From: Dale S <dalu@...>
Date: Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:53 pm
Subject: Re: [DIY] Re: Circuit breaker boxes

CH is definitely a superior product in many respects and is used extensively in this area in commercial and manufacturing applications, however it seems Square D is more readily available to the home owner and small contractor in many areas where CH is not locally carried. I'm trying to think of the company from years ago that built all of their boxes with screw down breakers. Unfortunately they ran into a problem when several of their units did not trip resulting in fires and they consequently went out of business. Another nice feature was that their breakers were push to set rather than lever trip, this too might have been the cause of their problem as well. The name Bulldog comes to mind but I can't be sure.

Dale in the Flat Lands:----- Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.
~Ronald Reagan

wired wrote:

Everyone is stuck on Square D. I think Cutler Hammer type CH is superior. Copper bus bars AND the breakers have a spring clip on the prongs where they attach to the bus bar fingers. Square D QO does not.
Do NOT get Cutler hammer type BR. That is an old design merely bough out by Cutler Hammer, not the original.

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#57702

From: Ron Johnson <l0c0l0b0@...>
Date: Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:58 pm
Subject: Push Button Ckt Bkr

ronjohnson_1999

I checked the internet and found this:

http://www.geindustrial.com/publibrary/checkout/GEH-4315A?TNR=Installation%20and%20Instruction|GEH-4315A|PDF

This might be what you were talking about. Mine Duty Circuit Breaker. Is that it?

To: DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com
From: dalu@...
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:53:39 -0500
Subject: Re: [DIY] Re: Circuit breaker boxes

CH is definitely a superior product in many respects and is used extensively in this area in commercial and manufacturing applications, however it seems Square D is more readily available to the home owner and small contractor in many areas where CH is not locally carried. I'm trying to think of the company from years ago that built all of their boxes with screw down breakers. Unfortunately they ran into a problem when several of their units did not trip resulting in fires and they consequently went out of business. Another nice feature was that their breakers were push to set rather than lever trip, this too might have been the cause of their problem as well. The name Bulldog comes to mind but I can't be sure.

Dale in the Flat Lands:----- Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.
~Ronald Reagan

wired wrote:

Everyone is stuck on Square D. I think Cutler Hammer type CH is superior. Copper bus bars AND the breakers have a spring clip on the prongs where they attach to the bus bar fingers. Square D QO does not.
Do NOT get Cutler hammer type BR. That is an old design merely bough out by Cutler Hammer, not the original.

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#57703

From: Dale S <dalu@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:13 am
Subject: Re: [DIY] Push Button Ckt Bkr

Thanks but that is a GE brand which we also don't see very often out here.� I also did a check on Bulldog and came up with ITE which I now recall was either the original supplier or may have acquired the line.� ITE around here is not held in high esteem and I doubt the Bulldog line is still offered though I can't say that for certain.� Since leaving the major hubs of society for the quiet life I'm a little out of the everyday circuit.� I recall we used the Push-Matic or Bulldog in the Boston area in the 60's and 70's and really liked the feel of the breakers.� The screw down buss was also a good positive connection as opposed to the slam, bang and snap verity.

Dale in the Flat Lands:----- 
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.
~Ronald Reagan

Ron Johnson wrote:

�
I checked the internet and found this:
�
http://www.geindustrial.com/publibrary/checkout/GEH-4315A?TNR=Installation%20and%20Instruction|GEH-4315A|PDF
�
�
This might be what you were talking about.� Mine Duty Circuit Breaker.� Is that it?
�
�
To: DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com
From: dalu@...
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:53:39 -0500
Subject: Re: [DIY] Re: Circuit breaker boxes

�
CH is definitely a superior product in many respects and is used extensively in this area in commercial and manufacturing applications, however it seems Square D is more readily available to the home owner and small contractor in many areas where CH is not locally carried.� I'm trying to think of the company from years ago that built all of their boxes with screw down breakers.� Unfortunately they ran into a problem when several of their units did not trip resulting in fires and they consequently went out of business.� Another nice feature was that their breakers were push to set rather than lever trip, this too might have been the cause of their problem as well.� The name Bulldog comes to mind but I can't be sure.
Dale in the Flat Lands:----- Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.
~Ronald Reagan
wired wrote:
Everyone is stuck on Square D. I think Cutler Hammer type CH is superior. Copper bus bars AND the breakers have a spring clip on the prongs where they attach to the bus bar fingers. Square D QO does not.
Do NOT get Cutler hammer type BR. That is an old design merely bough out by Cutler Hammer, not the original.

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#57704

From: Frank Ruggiero <frankruggiero@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:46 am
Subject: Bath Tub Clogged

Hi Experts.

Does anyone have some advice? I hope this is common.

I have a bath tub that is becoming clogged up. I tried to run a snake down it,
but as you can see, the snake does not fit because of this cross section. Take a
look.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e6dinb2h3l80law/Bath%20Tub.jpg

What would you recommend? Is there some safe chemical that wont ruin my pipe
system? This bathtub is on the top level of the house. I can not access it from
below.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Frank

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#57705

From: "Edward Hughes" <ewh46574@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:00 am
Subject: [DIY] Re: Circuit breaker boxes

Could you be thinking about "Federal Pacific?"

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#57706

From: Dale S <dalu@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:03 am
Subject: Re: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged

It is probably an accumulation of hair and soap in the trap. Hair is a protein and Plumbers Helper has worked in our house after leaving set for several hours and using hot water to flush the trap. As for harming the plumbing, that may depend on type and age of the material in question. Some older traps were pretty thin to begin with. You might also try a wet vac and keep putting water down the drain and sucking back out.

Dale in the Flat Lands:----- Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.
~Ronald Reagan

Frank Ruggiero wrote:

Hi Experts.

Does anyone have some advice? I hope this is common.

I have a bath tub that is becoming clogged up. I tried to run a snake down it, but as you can see, the snake does not fit because of this cross section. Take a look.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e6dinb2h3l80law/Bath%20Tub.jpg

What would you recommend? Is there some safe chemical that wont ruin my pipe system? This bathtub is on the top level of the house. I can not access it from below.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Frank

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#57707

From: Dale S <dalu@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:07 am
Subject: Re: [DIY] Re: Circuit breaker boxes

That is another brand that is seldom seen in these parts. Square D and Cuttler Hammer have pretty well dominated around here for several years. This often depends in limited markets on who offers the best profit margin and what the local wholesale suppliers choose to carry. We are in a very rural setting and in fact there is only one wholesale outlet in this area at the time, and they pretty much have it their own way.

Dale in the Flat Lands:----- Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.
~Ronald Reagan

Edward Hughes wrote:

Could you be thinking about "Federal Pacific?"

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#57708

From: Ron Johnson <l0c0l0b0@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:07 am
Subject: RE: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged

ronjohnson_1999

The way to run a snake down the tub drain is to remove the overflow cover (it usually has a trip lever for stopping the drain) then running the snake down from there. One thing you have to worry about is that there is a gasket between the tub and overflow pipe that, if it drops, you've got to go buy another one. It's there to keep the water from spilling out if the level ever gets to that point (which sometimes happens when you take a back and relax in it).

Make sure you put plumber's grease on the bucket (that little doo-dad that actually stops the water when you used the trip lever) before you put it back in.

If you don't want to go through that, the copper 2-chemical liquid plumber works fairly well. It not, I would try sulphuric acid but pour water down fairly quickly after - if the pipes are not too good, you could be ripping out sheetrock. If not more.

To: DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com
From: frankruggiero@...
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:46:32 -0400
Subject: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged

Hi Experts.

Does anyone have some advice? I hope this is common.

I have a bath tub that is becoming clogged up. I tried to run a snake down it, but as you can see, the snake does not fit because of this cross section. Take a look.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e6dinb2h3l80law/Bath%20Tub.jpg

What would you recommend? Is there some safe chemical that wont ruin my pipe system? This bathtub is on the top level of the house. I can not access it from below.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Frank

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#57709

From: Frank Ruggiero <frankruggiero@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:35 am
Subject: Re: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged

Hi Ron.

When you refer to the gasket, is that something that is connected to the trip lever? So when I pull the trip lever out, will the gasket be connected to it?

Thanks for you help.

Frank

On Jun 28, 2012, at 9:07 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:

The way to run a snake down the tub drain is to remove the overflow cover (it usually has a trip lever for stopping the drain) then running the snake down from there. One thing you have to worry about is that there is a gasket between the tub and overflow pipe that, if it drops, you've got to go buy another one. It's there to keep the water from spilling out if the level ever gets to that point (which sometimes happens when you take a back and relax in it).

Make sure you put plumber's grease on the bucket (that little doo-dad that actually stops the water when you used the trip lever) before you put it back in.

If you don't want to go through that, the copper 2-chemical liquid plumber works fairly well. It not, I would try sulphuric acid but pour water down fairly quickly after - if the pipes are not too good, you could be ripping out sheetrock. If not more.

To: DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com
From: frankruggiero@...
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:46:32 -0400
Subject: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged

Hi Experts.

Does anyone have some advice? I hope this is common.

I have a bath tub that is becoming clogged up. I tried to run a snake down it, but as you can see, the snake does not fit because of this cross section. Take a look.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e6dinb2h3l80law/Bath%20Tub.jpg

What would you recommend? Is there some safe chemical that wont ruin my pipe system? This bathtub is on the top level of the house. I can not access it from below.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Frank

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#57710

From: Ron Johnson <l0c0l0b0@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:53 am
Subject: RE: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged

ronjohnson_1999

It's actuially on the outside of the tub. When you unscrew the face plate, the part it's screwed into might move away and the gasket might drop. It's designed to stay in place, but I've had a few that dropped out. The gasket itself is thick on one side and thin on the other. The thick side is down to match the angle of the tub. The best way to do it is to unscrew both almost all the way then hold one while you remove the other. If the gasket starts to fall, the screw that's still in will hold it.

To: DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com
From: frankruggiero@...
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:35:54 -0400
Subject: Re: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged

Hi Ron.

When you refer to the gasket, is that something that is connected to the trip lever? So when I pull the trip lever out, will the gasket be connected to it?

Thanks for you help.

Frank

On Jun 28, 2012, at 9:07 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:

The way to run a snake down the tub drain is to remove the overflow cover (it usually has a trip lever for stopping the drain) then running the snake down from there. One thing you have to worry about is that there is a gasket between the tub and overflow pipe that, if it drops, you've got to go buy another one. It's there to keep the water from spilling out if the level ever gets to that point (which sometimes happens when you take a back and relax in it).

Make sure you put plumber's grease on the bucket (that little doo-dad that actually stops the water when you used the trip lever) before you put it back in.

If you don't want to go through that, the copper 2-chemical liquid plumber works fairly well. It not, I would try sulphuric acid but pour water down fairly quickly after - if the pipes are not too good, you could be ripping out sheetrock. If not more.

To: DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com
From: frankruggiero@...
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:46:32 -0400
Subject: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged

Hi Experts.

Does anyone have some advice? I hope this is common.

I have a bath tub that is becoming clogged up. I tried to run a snake down it, but as you can see, the snake does not fit because of this cross section. Take a look.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e6dinb2h3l80law/Bath%20Tub.jpg

What would you recommend? Is there some safe chemical that wont ruin my pipe system? This bathtub is on the top level of the house. I can not access it from below.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Frank

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#57711

From: Cindi Waters <clean_boost@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:05 am
Subject: Re: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged

What I did was use one of those little itty-bitty snakes they sell at drugstores & places like that. It's like a flexible long narrow (like less than pencil thin) piece of plastic with some grabby type gizmo at the end of it. It will snag all the soot and junk and get beyond those places. It's a messy job, but it did the job.

From: Ron Johnson <l0c0l0b0@...>
To: doit_yourself@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 9:07 PM
Subject: RE: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged

The way to run a snake down the tub drain is to remove the overflow cover (it usually has a trip lever for stopping the drain) then running the snake down from there. One thing you have to worry about is that there is a gasket between the tub and overflow pipe that, if it drops, you've got to go buy another one. It's there to keep the water from spilling out if the level ever gets to that point (which sometimes happens when you take a back and relax in it).

Make sure you put plumber's grease on the bucket (that little doo-dad that actually stops the water when you used the trip lever) before you put it back in.

If you don't want to go through that, the copper 2-chemical liquid plumber works fairly well. It not, I would try sulphuric acid but pour water down fairly quickly after - if the pipes are not too good, you could be ripping out sheetrock. If not more.

To: DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com
From: frankruggiero@...
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:46:32 -0400
Subject: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged

Hi Experts.

Does anyone have some advice? I hope this is common.

I have a bath tub that is becoming clogged up. I tried to run a snake down it, but as you can see, the snake does not fit because of this cross section. Take a look.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e6dinb2h3l80law/Bath%20Tub.jpg

What would you recommend? Is there some safe chemical that wont ruin my pipe system? This bathtub is on the top level of the house. I can not access it from below.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Frank

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#57712

From: "melissasparrots" <melissasparrots@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:36 am
Subject: 4X4 as frame?

melissasparrots

Is there any problem with making a frame for an 8ft square shed out of 4X4X8s? 
It would give me exactly the measurements I want.  I would use 2X4s as the
joists in the middle.  What length and width of screw would one use to nail them
together without splitting?

I thought about screwing together two 2X6s but I'd still be .5 inch short.  I
don't have a lot of carpentry skills to work with here and would rather not have
to do a bunch of extra cutting if I can get what I need from 4X4s.  The shed
will be on blocks if that makes any difference.
Thanks,
Melissa

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#57713

From: subprong <subprong@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:55 am
Subject: Re: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged

Try this.... (zip it)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkk0-cReLsM�

The video is no exaggeration. �I got this thing awhile back and used it...and yes I pulled out a smelly gelatinous hair monster from heck just like they did. �Cleared the drain right up.

I have a cross brace in my drain that looks like yours. �It takes a little back-and-forth jiggling and wiggling to pull it back out (because the back of the teeth on the zip-it catch the edges in whichever small hole you put it in). �It usually takes a couple of tries as I usually have to pick the correct�quadrant�of the brace to insert it to get it to go down the farthest. �Easily worth it for the results. �The product is less than 5 bucks I believe.

I'm not sure that I've ever had a manual snake do any good other than perhaps to push a clog further back. �This little piece of plastic actually pulls the clog out.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Frank Ruggiero <frankruggiero@...> wrote:

�

Hi Experts.

Does anyone have some advice? I hope this is common.

I have a bath tub that is becoming clogged up. I tried to run a snake down it, but as you can see, the snake does not fit because of this cross section. Take a look.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e6dinb2h3l80law/Bath%20Tub.jpg

What would you recommend? Is there some safe chemical that wont ruin my pipe system? This bathtub is on the top level of the house. I can not access it from below.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Frank

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#57714

From: "Tori" <fertilegrnd@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:35 am
Subject: Sander

Whats the best sander for me to use to refinish wood furniture.  Oscillating or
palm?

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#57715

From: "snaffles@..." <snaffles@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:59 am
Subject: RE: Re: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged

snafflesnshe...

Maybe you could do a search on youtube and see videos
of this.
Joyce


------- Original Message -------
From    : Frank Ruggiero[mailto:frankruggiero@...]
Sent    : 6/28/2012 8:35:54 PM
To      : DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com
Cc      :
Subject : RE: Re: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged












       Hi Ron.
When you refer to the gasket, is that something that
is connected to the trip lever? So when I pull the
trip lever out, will the gasket be connected to it?
Thanks for you help.

Frank


On Jun 28, 2012, at 9:07 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:





















The way to run a snake down the tub drain is to
remove the overflow cover (it usually has a trip
lever for stopping the drain) then running the snake
down from there.  One thing you have to worry about
is that there is a gasket between the tub and
overflow pipe that, if it drops, you've got to go buy
another one.  It's there to keep the water from
spilling out if the level ever gets to that point
(which sometimes happens when you take a back and
relax in it).



Make sure you put plumber's grease on the bucket
(that little doo-dad that actually stops the water
when you used the trip lever) before you put it back in.



If you don't want to go through that, the copper
2-chemical liquid plumber works fairly well.  It not,
I would try sulphuric acid but pour water down fairly
quickly after - if the pipes are not too good, you
could be ripping out sheetrock.  If not more.





To: DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com
From: frankruggiero@...
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:46:32 -0400
Subject: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged





Hi Experts.

Does anyone have some advice? I hope this is common.

I have a bath tub that is becoming clogged up. I
tried to run a snake down it, but as you can see, the
snake does not fit because of this cross section.
Take a look.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e6dinb2h3l80law/Bath%20Tub.jpg

What would you recommend? Is there some safe chemical
that wont ruin my pipe system? This bathtub is on the
top level of the house. I can not access it from below.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Frank

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#57716

From: Mountain Master <rjcalliger@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:37 am
Subject: 4X4 as frame?

2x4's come "standard" as either studs or 8' long...when I built my
first shed years ago it was in Illinois and I needed 4x4's for the snow
load (8-12 feet)..r u in a snow area?

As far as your question of 8',you probably want the finished
dimensions to be 8x8, that way any sheathing or plywood
you might wantto use will fit exactly (each is 4' wide and 8' high)
on your frame...that means all wall studs must be built without
outside dimension of 8' exactly...see the links below

My main suggestion is to go to Home depot and take pics and
dimensions of there sheds they usually have outside and take
particular note of the construction technique...looking closely
at the joints and methodology is a good lesson in carpentry 101--

Also there are several books in the library on shed building and
you can check out the links below to see if anyone of them
is a "watershed" for you...LOL

Best, and have fun building...dont forget to put in some
outlets and light fixture as you build even though you may not
want it now..always easy to put wire in when building then after.

Best,

Rich

http://www.popularmechanics.com/home/how-to-plans/sheds/1276536

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az9XdVPM4Q4

http://www.diynetwork.com/how-to/how-to-create-a-storage-shed/index.html

Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:36 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"melissasparrots" melissasparrots

Is there any problem with making a frame for an 8ft square shed out of 4X4X8s? It would give me exactly the measurements I want. I would use 2X4s as the joists in the middle. What length and width of screw would one use to nail them together without splitting?

I thought about screwing together two 2X6s but I'd still be .5 inch short. I don't have a lot of carpentry skills to work with here and would rather not have to do a bunch of extra cutting if I can get what I need from 4X4s. The shed will be on blocks if that makes any difference.
Thanks,
Melissa

Ad Inexplorata; De oppresso liber
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#57717

From: Jan Flood <jan.flood2@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:42 am
Subject: Re: [DIY] Wood patio furniture

janfloodstudios

This may have already been answered - if you used the clear Thompson's, it just imparts a clear coat. I believe they have they have several colors of stain/sealer now. Our best solution always is to use a power washer to clean the wood, then use Thompsons once it's completely dry. It looks new again. Small power washers don't cost a lot and can be used for many things.

On Jun 21, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Tori wrote:

I used thompsons water seal on a weathered bench however it still looks weathered. Is there something I can do to make it look better. Initially thought of stain now hear of stain/seal. Tried to avoid polyurethane for inhalation.

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#57718

From: Jan Flood <jan.flood2@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:49 am
Subject: Re: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged

janfloodstudios

Sometimes baking soda & vinegar, followed with boiling water after it's set awhile will work. Pour some baking soda down the drain, add white vinegar and let it set for half hour or so then pour boiling water down the drain. You might follow with a plunger but it works surprisingly well if it's not too bad.

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#57719

From: Ron Johnson <l0c0l0b0@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:55 am
Subject: RE: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged

ronjohnson_1999

That's a good thing for hair (which collects other stuff) but usually on the type of drain he has, the hair is at the drain where it can be pulled up with needle-nosed pliers. Still, I guess you could always give it a shot - maybe the hair is stuck on a burr down the line. For less than five bucks, it couldn't hurt to try.

To: DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com
From: subprong@...
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:55:07 -0600
Subject: Re: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged

Try this.... (zip it)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkk0-cReLsM

The video is no exaggeration. I got this thing awhile back and used it...and yes I pulled out a smelly gelatinous hair monster from heck just like they did. Cleared the drain right up.

I have a cross brace in my drain that looks like yours. It takes a little back-and-forth jiggling and wiggling to pull it back out (because the back of the teeth on the zip-it catch the edges in whichever small hole you put it in). It usually takes a couple of tries as I usually have to pick the correct quadrant of the brace to insert it to get it to go down the farthest. Easily worth it for the results. The product is less than 5 bucks I believe.

I'm not sure that I've ever had a manual snake do any good other than perhaps to push a clog further back. This little piece of plastic actually pulls the clog out.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Frank Ruggiero <frankruggiero@...> wrote:

Hi Experts.

Does anyone have some advice? I hope this is common.

I have a bath tub that is becoming clogged up. I tried to run a snake down it, but as you can see, the snake does not fit because of this cross section. Take a look.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e6dinb2h3l80law/Bath%20Tub.jpg

What would you recommend? Is there some safe chemical that wont ruin my pipe system? This bathtub is on the top level of the house. I can not access it from below.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Frank

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#57720

From: Ron Johnson <l0c0l0b0@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:04 pm
Subject: RE: [DIY] 4X4 as frame?

ronjohnson_1999

If the question is whether to use 4x4s or 4x6s, it would depend on how large your shed will be. Also remember that you can't just build it like a box, it must be anchored. You have to worry about strong winds blowing your shed down the street.

To: DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com
From: melissasparrots@...
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 03:36:54 +0000
Subject: [DIY] 4X4 as frame?

Is there any problem with making a frame for an 8ft square shed out of 4X4X8s? It would give me exactly the measurements I want. I would use 2X4s as the joists in the middle. What length and width of screw would one use to nail them together without splitting?

I thought about screwing together two 2X6s but I'd still be .5 inch short. I don't have a lot of carpentry skills to work with here and would rather not have to do a bunch of extra cutting if I can get what I need from 4X4s. The shed will be on blocks if that makes any difference.
Thanks,
Melissa

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#57721

From: Cindi Waters <clean_boost@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:08 pm
Subject: Re: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged

It worked for me. And I keep around, just in case.

From: Ron Johnson <l0c0l0b0@...>
To: doit_yourself@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 7:55 AM
Subject: RE: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged

That's a good thing for hair (which collects other stuff) but usually on the type of drain he has, the hair is at the drain where it can be pulled up with needle-nosed pliers. Still, I guess you could always give it a shot - maybe the hair is stuck on a burr down the line. For less than five bucks, it couldn't hurt to try.

To: DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com
From: subprong@...
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:55:07 -0600
Subject: Re: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged

Try this.... (zip it)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkk0-cReLsM

The video is no exaggeration. I got this thing awhile back and used it...and yes I pulled out a smelly gelatinous hair monster from heck just like they did. Cleared the drain right up.

I have a cross brace in my drain that looks like yours. It takes a little back-and-forth jiggling and wiggling to pull it back out (because the back of the teeth on the zip-it catch the edges in whichever small hole you put it in). It usually takes a couple of tries as I usually have to pick the correct quadrant of the brace to insert it to get it to go down the farthest. Easily worth it for the results. The product is less than 5 bucks I believe.

I'm not sure that I've ever had a manual snake do any good other than perhaps to push a clog further back. This little piece of plastic actually pulls the clog out.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Frank Ruggiero <frankruggiero@...> wrote:

Hi Experts.

Does anyone have some advice? I hope this is common.

I have a bath tub that is becoming clogged up. I tried to run a snake down it, but as you can see, the snake does not fit because of this cross section. Take a look.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e6dinb2h3l80law/Bath%20Tub.jpg

What would you recommend? Is there some safe chemical that wont ruin my pipe system? This bathtub is on the top level of the house. I can not access it from below.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Frank

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#57722

From: "wired" <wiredformen@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:13 pm
Subject: Re: [DIY] 4X4 as frame?

Another thing is to remember your geometry.  You must have triangles in the
framing to prevent it from racking. This is often done with diagonal corner
braces.  Another way is to put 1 full sheet of plywood on all corners.

--- In DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com, Ron Johnson <l0c0l0b0@...> wrote:
>
>
> If the question is whether to use 4x4s or 4x6s, it would depend on how large
your shed will be.  Also remember that you can't just build it like a box, it
must be anchored.  You have to worry about strong winds blowing your shed down
the street.
>
>
>
>
> To: DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com
> From: melissasparrots@...
> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 03:36:54 +0000
> Subject: [DIY] 4X4 as frame?
>
>
>
>
>
> Is there any problem with making a frame for an 8ft square shed out of 4X4X8s?
It would give me exactly the measurements I want. I would use 2X4s as the joists
in the middle. What length and width of screw would one use to nail them
together without splitting?
>
> I thought about screwing together two 2X6s but I'd still be .5 inch short. I
don't have a lot of carpentry skills to work with here and would rather not have
to do a bunch of extra cutting if I can get what I need from 4X4s. The shed will
be on blocks if that makes any difference.
> Thanks,
> Melissa
>

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#57723

From: subprong <subprong@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:44 pm
Subject: Re: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged

I can confirm this process. �It has worked for me on a sink before. �Despite me not being a huge believer in some of the home remedies, I saw this suggestion on the net and tried it. �I think I had to go through the process of baking soda/vinegar/boiling water/plunging at least 3 times but surprisingly it worked...at least for whatever the issue was on my sink.

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 5:49 AM, Jan Flood <jan.flood2@...> wrote:

�

Sometimes baking soda & �vinegar, followed with boiling water after it's set awhile will work. �Pour some baking soda down the drain, add white vinegar and let it set for half hour or so then pour boiling water down the drain. �You might follow with a plunger but it works surprisingly well if it's not too bad.

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#57724

From: Frank Ruggiero <frankruggiero@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:58 pm
Subject: Re: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged FIXED

Thanks to everyone for their advice.

My wife really wanted to get it done today, so I told her to get the Zip It from Walmart as Subprong and Cindi suggested.

She said it worked perfectly.

I guess it was best to try the easiest thing first and work my way up. But thank you all for helping me out.

Frank

On Jun 29, 2012, at 01:44 PM, subprong <subprong@...> wrote:

I can confirm this process. It has worked for me on a sink before. Despite me not being a huge believer in some of the home remedies, I saw this suggestion on the net and tried it. I think I had to go through the process of baking soda/vinegar/boiling water/plunging at least 3 times but surprisingly it worked...at least for whatever the issue was on my sink.

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 5:49 AM, Jan Flood <jan.flood2@...> wrote:

Sometimes baking soda & vinegar, followed with boiling water after it's set awhile will work. Pour some baking soda down the drain, add white vinegar and let it set for half hour or so then pour boiling water down the drain. You might follow with a plunger but it works surprisingly well if it's not too bad.

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#57725

From: Cindi Waters <clean_boost@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:34 pm
Subject: Re: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged FIXED

Glad it worked, thanks for telling us. I, too, struggled with the idea of taking out the plug, etc. which was attached or something to the bottom, it is an old tub. Yes, that zip thing works wonder.

From: Frank Ruggiero <frankruggiero@...>
To: DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged FIXED

Thanks to everyone for their advice.

My wife really wanted to get it done today, so I told her to get the Zip It from Walmart as Subprong and Cindi suggested.

She said it worked perfectly.

I guess it was best to try the easiest thing first and work my way up. But thank you all for helping me out.

Frank

On Jun 29, 2012, at 01:44 PM, subprong <subprong@...> wrote:

I can confirm this process. It has worked for me on a sink before. Despite me not being a huge believer in some of the home remedies, I saw this suggestion on the net and tried it. I think I had to go through the process of baking soda/vinegar/boiling water/plunging at least 3 times but surprisingly it worked...at least for whatever the issue was on my sink.

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 5:49 AM, Jan Flood <jan.flood2@...> wrote:

Sometimes baking soda & vinegar, followed with boiling water after it's set awhile will work. Pour some baking soda down the drain, add white vinegar and let it set for half hour or so then pour boiling water down the drain. You might follow with a plunger but it works surprisingly well if it's not too bad.

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#57726

From: Ron Johnson <l0c0l0b0@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:04 pm
Subject: RE: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged FIXED

ronjohnson_1999

Congradulations! At least it wasn't too expesive or difficult. Sometimes the easiest, simplist way is the best.

To: DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com
From: frankruggiero@...
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:58:48 +0000
Subject: Re: [DIY] Bath Tub Clogged FIXED

Thanks to everyone for their advice.

My wife really wanted to get it done today, so I told her to get the Zip It from Walmart as Subprong and Cindi suggested.

She said it worked perfectly.

I guess it was best to try the easiest thing first and work my way up. But thank you all for helping me out.

Frank

On Jun 29, 2012, at 01:44 PM, subprong <subprong@...> wrote:

I can confirm this process. It has worked for me on a sink before. Despite me not being a huge believer in some of the home remedies, I saw this suggestion on the net and tried it. I think I had to go through the process of baking soda/vinegar/boiling water/plunging at least 3 times but surprisingly it worked...at least for whatever the issue was on my sink.

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 5:49 AM, Jan Flood <jan.flood2@...> wrote:

Sometimes baking soda & vinegar, followed with boiling water after it's set awhile will work. Pour some baking soda down the drain, add white vinegar and let it set for half hour or so then pour boiling water down the drain. You might follow with a plunger but it works surprisingly well if it's not too bad.

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