I do not want a program that swallows everything -- whether
everything is 607 digital images or a child born to a
103-yr-old female.

Whatever disaster /can/ happen will, soon or late. Whether
that disaster is a pointer-error in the program, a bad
sector on the disc it's stored on, a tornado that flings the
computer into the next county, or whatever.

In addition to my already-stated objections, there's the
matter of images inserted into some PROGRAM tend to be
degraded in quality.  I've had 600 dpi tiff images go to 100
dpi and become illegible/unidentifiable. If it happens to a
tiff, it's sure to happen to a jpg.  I've had both PAF and
WORD skew an image so badly I had to remove it, even though
the image when viewed on an image viewer was excellent.

IME it is easier to put a flag in PAF's NOTES (or in FTM's
More-About) with the image name than it is to detach the
image from FTM. IYE apparently you don't need to do that or
you don't find it a Pain in the neck.

MY not liking it and YOUR liking it are not mutally
exclusive, and neither makes a good idea/bad idea for
everyone else.  However, it's a decision everyone else ought
to be given enough information to make for himself.

There are problems, real and potential, with storing one's
only copy of a digital file IN any other program.  If you
feel the advantages outweigh those problems, fine, but that
evaluation doesn't make the problems vanish.

Cheryl

Paul Walworth wrote:
>
>
> Each doc is only in the individual file but it is in the program and not
> in a file outside of the genealogy program.  I first ran into this back
> when a "cousin" send me his genealogy and both the doc's and the photo's
> stay with each person and not outside of the program like all the other
> genealogy programs.  But I hear they are working on this which will keep
> the doc's and photo even when you do a GEDCOM file or backup, etc.  It
> is a very nice system and am waiting to see when other programs add this
> to their systems.
>
> Thanks
> Paul
>
> ________________________________
> From: singhals <singhals@... <mailto:singhals%40erols.com>>
> To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FHCNET%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Correlating Genealogical Databases
>
>
> While that wasn't perfectly true, it's not what I had in
> mind, Paul.
>
> If my grandfather's 3rd cousin's wife's brother's son asks
> me for a copy of my gf's maternal gm's will (the nearest
> common relation), there's no reason to send him my
> daughter-in-law's maternal gf's line from Italy. It's
> easier to cherry-pick like that if the documents are stored
> individually.
>
> Cheryl
>
> Paul Walworth wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  > Not really, if you lose your data it does not really matter where it is
>  > when you lose it. Now if you have it on print a house fire could take
>  > it away. If you have to hunt and cannot find it then what. There are
>  > all sides to everything and what is treasure to one is trash to another.
>  > You can also do a backup to a CD but they also can be destroyed the
>  > website can go away, many things can happen.
>  >
>  > Paul
>  >
>  > ________________________________
>  > From: singhals <singhals@... <mailto:singhals%40erols.com>
> <mailto:singhals%40erols.com>>
>  > To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FHCNET%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:FHCNET%40yahoogroups.com>
>  > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 9:38 PM
>  > Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Correlating Genealogical Databases
>  >
>  >
>  > I can't agree that keeping your digital documents,
>  > photographs, and data in ONE file is a good idea. It is
>  > dangerous to have all one's eggs in a single basket.
>  >
>  > Moreover, eventually the file gets so large you can quite
>  > literally take your morning shower while waiting for it to
>  > open. This is not a productive use of one's time.
>  >
>  > Cheryl S
>  >
>  > Paul Walworth wrote:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > It would be a shame if FTM will never be linked into
>  > > new.familysearch.org/ They are the only one which keeps your documents
>  > > as well as all our photos within the program itself. They have come a
>  > > long way from the cumbersome system they did provide the patron. It is
>  > > another great program and I personally feel it will be a good day when
>  > > you can use FTM print temple ready forms and take them to the temple
>  > > without having to go into new.familysearch.org/ to do so.
>  > >
>  > > Thank you for your comments.
>  > >
>  > > Paul
>  > >
>  > > ________________________________
>  > > From: Lois Casson <lcasson@... <mailto:lcasson%40cox.net>
> <mailto:lcasson%40cox.net>
>  > <mailto:lcasson%40cox.net>>
>  > > To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FHCNET%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:FHCNET%40yahoogroups.com>
>  > <mailto:FHCNET%40yahoogroups.com>
>  > > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 12:31 PM
>  > > Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Correlating Genealogical Databases
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > I too maintain a tree on Ancestry nearly as large as the referenced
>  > patron,
>  > > but I use Ancestral Quest. AQ allows you to search Ancestry but not
> synch
>  > > records. The ability to synch info on Ancestry would require a
>  > cooperative
>  > > effort between Ancestry and the company that owns the software you
>  > use and
>  > > is dependent on whether or not each considers such an effort to be of
>  > > financial value to each of them.
>  > >
>  > > The church has authorized only five programs, all church related, to
>  > synch
>  > > with nFS. If Ancestry allowed one company to develop such links it
> would
>  > > have to allow all companies to do so. They, of course, support FTM,
>  > so one
>  > > would assume that program would be the first to be able to synch
>  > info. I am
>  > > not aware of that happening right now. When you hear of such access you
>  > > will know changes are in the making.
>  > >
>  > > BTW, it is very unlikely that FTM will ever be able to synch with nFS
>  > and I
>  > > am not sure there would be that much general interest to undertake
> such a
>  > > project. Most people are not dealing with such large files.
>  > >
>  > > Lois Casson
>  > > FSC Director
>  > > Pensacola, FL
>  > >
>  > > From: "Venita Roylance" <venitar@... <mailto:venitar%40mac.com>
> <mailto:venitar%40mac.com>
>  > <mailto:venitar%40mac.com>>
>  > > To: <FHCNET@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FHCNET%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:FHCNET%40yahoogroups.com>
>  > <mailto:FHCNET%40yahoogroups.com>>
>  > > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:02 PM
>  > > Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Correlating Genealogical Databases
>  > >
>  > > > Why?? That sounds like a lot of unnecessary work to me, not to
> mention
>  > > > the possibility of duplicating data or losing data. Why not settle on
>  > > the
>  > > > one (s)he likes best?
>  > > >
>  > > > Venita
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > On Apr 27, 2011, at 11:26 AM, PhilBess@...
> <mailto:PhilBess%40aol.com>
>  > <mailto:PhilBess%40aol.com>
>  > > <mailto:PhilBess%40aol.com> wrote:
>  > > >
>  > > >> A patron is trying to maintain records for about twelve thousand
>  > > >> individuals in three different databases -- RootsMagic, new.
>  > > >> FamilySearch, and Ancestry.com. He asked what process can be used to
>  > > >> maintain consistency among the databases. I know about "sync"ing
>  > > >> RootsMagic and new.FamilySearch, but I'm short on information on
>  > how to
>  > > >> correlate with Ancestry.com. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
>  > > >>
>  > > >> Phil Besselievre
>  > > >>

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I never meant to offend anyone, I am just saying there are many purposes for all
this technology and they all help us accomplice what we are doing.   Each of
us has our way that we like to do so but we are all still learning and I pray
that never stops.  While we are gathering the information each of these tools
make it easier.  We do not even like the same foods but we still live and
together we can help each other by what we say and what we do in our lives for
one another.  We are not perfect nor I pray do we even think we even come close
but that is what we are working for in this life.  As for having a program
caught our errors this is nice but no program will caught all of them.  That is
a disaster in the making but if it does help me for this I will ever be
thankful.  I have made a lot of mistakes here and in my genealogy and will
continue to do so but with the Grace of God and those he put here on earth just
maybe I will endure to the end.


Paul



________________________________
From: singhals <singhals@...>
To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2011 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Correlating Genealogical Databases


 
I do not want a program that swallows everything -- whether
everything is 607 digital images or a child born to a
103-yr-old female.

Whatever disaster /can/ happen will, soon or late. Whether
that disaster is a pointer-error in the program, a bad
sector on the disc it's stored on, a tornado that flings the
computer into the next county, or whatever.

In addition to my already-stated objections, there's the
matter of images inserted into some PROGRAM tend to be
degraded in quality.  I've had 600 dpi tiff images go to 100
dpi and become illegible/unidentifiable. If it happens to a
tiff, it's sure to happen to a jpg.  I've had both PAF and
WORD skew an image so badly I had to remove it, even though
the image when viewed on an image viewer was excellent.

IME it is easier to put a flag in PAF's NOTES (or in FTM's
More-About) with the image name than it is to detach the
image from FTM. IYE apparently you don't need to do that or
you don't find it a Pain in the neck.

MY not liking it and YOUR liking it are not mutally
exclusive, and neither makes a good idea/bad idea for
everyone else.  However, it's a decision everyone else ought
to be given enough information to make for himself.

There are problems, real and potential, with storing one's
only copy of a digital file IN any other program.  If you
feel the advantages outweigh those problems, fine, but that
evaluation doesn't make the problems vanish.

Cheryl

Paul Walworth wrote:
>
>
> Each doc is only in the individual file but it is in the program and not
> in a file outside of the genealogy program.  I first ran into this back
> when a "cousin" send me his genealogy and both the doc's and the photo's
> stay with each person and not outside of the program like all the other
> genealogy programs.  But I hear they are working on this which will keep
> the doc's and photo even when you do a GEDCOM file or backup, etc.  It
> is a very nice system and am waiting to see when other programs add this
> to their systems.
>
> Thanks
> Paul
>
> ________________________________
> From: singhals <singhals@... <mailto:singhals%40erols.com>>
> To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FHCNET%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Correlating Genealogical Databases
>
>
> While that wasn't perfectly true, it's not what I had in
> mind, Paul.
>
> If my grandfather's 3rd cousin's wife's brother's son asks
> me for a copy of my gf's maternal gm's will (the nearest
> common relation), there's no reason to send him my
> daughter-in-law's maternal gf's line from Italy. It's
> easier to cherry-pick like that if the documents are stored
> individually.
>
> Cheryl
>
> Paul Walworth wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  > Not really, if you lose your data it does not really matter where it is
>  > when you lose it. Now if you have it on print a house fire could take
>  > it away. If you have to hunt and cannot find it then what. There are
>  > all sides to everything and what is treasure to one is trash to another.
>  > You can also do a backup to a CD but they also can be destroyed the
>  > website can go away, many things can happen.
>  >
>  > Paul
>  >
>  > ________________________________
>  > From: singhals <singhals@... <mailto:singhals%40erols.com>
> <mailto:singhals%40erols.com>>
>  > To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FHCNET%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:FHCNET%40yahoogroups.com>
>  > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 9:38 PM
>  > Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Correlating Genealogical Databases
>  >
>  >
>  > I can't agree that keeping your digital documents,
>  > photographs, and data in ONE file is a good idea. It is
>  > dangerous to have all one's eggs in a single basket.
>  >
>  > Moreover, eventually the file gets so large you can quite
>  > literally take your morning shower while waiting for it to
>  > open. This is not a productive use of one's time.
>  >
>  > Cheryl S
>  >
>  > Paul Walworth wrote:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > It would be a shame if FTM will never be linked into
>  > > new.familysearch.org/ They are the only one which keeps your documents
>  > > as well as all our photos within the program itself. They have come a
>  > > long way from the cumbersome system they did provide the patron. It is
>  > > another great program and I personally feel it will be a good day when
>  > > you can use FTM print temple ready forms and take them to the temple
>  > > without having to go into new.familysearch.org/ to do so.
>  > >
>  > > Thank you for your comments.
>  > >
>  > > Paul
>  > >
>  > > ________________________________
>  > > From: Lois Casson <lcasson@... <mailto:lcasson%40cox.net>
> <mailto:lcasson%40cox.net>
>  > <mailto:lcasson%40cox.net>>
>  > > To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FHCNET%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:FHCNET%40yahoogroups.com>
>  > <mailto:FHCNET%40yahoogroups.com>
>  > > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 12:31 PM
>  > > Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Correlating Genealogical Databases
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > I too maintain a tree on Ancestry nearly as large as the referenced
>  > patron,
>  > > but I use Ancestral Quest. AQ allows you to search Ancestry but not
> synch
>  > > records. The ability to synch info on Ancestry would require a
>  > cooperative
>  > > effort between Ancestry and the company that owns the software you
>  > use and
>  > > is dependent on whether or not each considers such an effort to be of
>  > > financial value to each of them.
>  > >
>  > > The church has authorized only five programs, all church related, to
>  > synch
>  > > with nFS. If Ancestry allowed one company to develop such links it
> would
>  > > have to allow all companies to do so. They, of course, support FTM,
>  > so one
>  > > would assume that program would be the first to be able to synch
>  > info. I am
>  > > not aware of that happening right now. When you hear of such access you
>  > > will know changes are in the making.
>  > >
>  > > BTW, it is very unlikely that FTM will ever be able to synch with nFS
>  > and I
>  > > am not sure there would be that much general interest to undertake
> such a
>  > > project. Most people are not dealing with such large files.
>  > >
>  > > Lois Casson
>  > > FSC Director
>  > > Pensacola, FL
>  > >
>  > > From: "Venita Roylance" <venitar@... <mailto:venitar%40mac.com>
> <mailto:venitar%40mac.com>
>  > <mailto:venitar%40mac.com>>
>  > > To: <FHCNET@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FHCNET%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:FHCNET%40yahoogroups.com>
>  > <mailto:FHCNET%40yahoogroups.com>>
>  > > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:02 PM
>  > > Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Correlating Genealogical Databases
>  > >
>  > > > Why?? That sounds like a lot of unnecessary work to me, not to
> mention
>  > > > the possibility of duplicating data or losing data. Why not settle on
>  > > the
>  > > > one (s)he likes best?
>  > > >
>  > > > Venita
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > On Apr 27, 2011, at 11:26 AM, PhilBess@...
> <mailto:PhilBess%40aol.com>
>  > <mailto:PhilBess%40aol.com>
>  > > <mailto:PhilBess%40aol.com> wrote:
>  > > >
>  > > >> A patron is trying to maintain records for about twelve thousand
>  > > >> individuals in three different databases -- RootsMagic, new.
>  > > >> FamilySearch, and Ancestry.com. He asked what process can be used to
>  > > >> maintain consistency among the databases. I know about "sync"ing
>  > > >> RootsMagic and new.FamilySearch, but I'm short on information on
>  > how to
>  > > >> correlate with Ancestry.com. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
>  > > >>
>  > > >> Phil Besselievre
>  > > >>




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cheryl,

You state "I've had both PAF and WORD skew an image so badly I had to remove
it,..."

PAF only points to images which reside outside of the PAF program. It does NOT
store images nor provide a packaging program to send the images to someone else.
In other words, if I send a GEDCOM of part of my PAF database, I will need to
provide copies of any digital images separately. Therefore in so doing, you
control the quality of your digital images.

Terry Mason
Clermont FL

--- In FHCNET@yahoogroups.com, singhals <singhals@...> wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> In addition to my already-stated objections, there's the
> matter of images inserted into some PROGRAM tend to be
> degraded in quality.  I've had 600 dpi tiff images go to 100
> dpi and become illegible/unidentifiable. If it happens to a
> tiff, it's sure to happen to a jpg.  I've had both PAF and
> WORD skew an image so badly I had to remove it, even though
> the image when viewed on an image viewer was excellent.
>
> IME it is easier to put a flag in PAF's NOTES (or in FTM's
> More-About) with the image name than it is to detach the
> image from FTM.
<snip>
> Cheryl

I believe that this began as reasons to to synch with nFS and these new issues
cited have nothing to do with the process which leaves me confused.  When
synching you transfer only the info you want so you can't get a lot of faulty
info you don't want, as is the case with gedcoms from someone else's files.

Lois Casson

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: tmason1
   To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 10:14 AM
   Subject: [FHCNET] Re: Correlating Genealogical Databases



   Cheryl,

   You state "I've had both PAF and WORD skew an image so badly I had to remove
it,..."

   PAF only points to images which reside outside of the PAF program. It does NOT
store images nor provide a packaging program to send the images to someone else.
In other words, if I send a GEDCOM of part of my PAF database, I will need to
provide copies of any digital images separately. Therefore in so doing, you
control the quality of your digital images.

   Terry Mason
   Clermont FL

   --- In FHCNET@yahoogroups.com, singhals <singhals@...> wrote:
   >
   <snip>
   >
   > In addition to my already-stated objections, there's the
   > matter of images inserted into some PROGRAM tend to be
   > degraded in quality. I've had 600 dpi tiff images go to 100
   > dpi and become illegible/unidentifiable. If it happens to a
   > tiff, it's sure to happen to a jpg. I've had both PAF and
   > WORD skew an image so badly I had to remove it, even though
   > the image when viewed on an image viewer was excellent.
   >
   > IME it is easier to put a flag in PAF's NOTES (or in FTM's
   > More-About) with the image name than it is to detach the
   > image from FTM.
   <snip>
   > Cheryl





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think there may also be confusion between LINKING and SYNCHING. As I
understand it, there is a big difference between them.

Linking is establishing a 1-on-one relationship between individuals in your
database and those in nFS. i.e. "John Brown born 18 May 1789 in Chesham,
Bucks, England" is the same person as "John Brown PID KZX-123" in nFS. This
is easily reversed, since it normally involves a simple tag added to your
own database, with no changes to nFS.
Synchronizing ("synching") involves transfer of data from one database to
the other. If you inadvertently transfer new incorrect info to nFS, you can
reverse it. If you are not the contributor of the new information, life has
just become more complicated! Suddenly your great uncle Charlie has a wife
and 10 kids he never knew about, as well as a ton of unknown in-laws.
Someone has just hijacked your great uncle Charlie! Unlike wrongly combined
records, hijacking cannot be solved by separating. Cases like this usually
need to be manually corrected by a nFS Data Administrator, and I think they
are very busy people.

As I understand it, the next generation of nFS is expected to allow us to do
more to fix problems. In the meantime, if we are cautious when synching, we
can avoid creating problems for ourselves and others. When in doubt, don't
do it! Linking should cause no problems.

--
Bill Buchanan
website: http://billbuchanan.byethost17.com
blog: http://billbuchanan.blogspot.com



On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Lois Casson <lcasson@...> wrote:

>
>
> I believe that this began as reasons to to synch with nFS and these new
> issues cited have nothing to do with the process which leaves me confused.
> When synching you transfer only the info you want so you can't get a lot of
> faulty info you don't want, as is the case with gedcoms from someone else's
> files.
>
> Lois Casson
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tmason1
> To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 10:14 AM
> Subject: [FHCNET] Re: Correlating Genealogical Databases
>
> Cheryl,
>
> You state "I've had both PAF and WORD skew an image so badly I had to
> remove it,..."
>
> PAF only points to images which reside outside of the PAF program. It does
> NOT store images nor provide a packaging program to send the images to
> someone else. In other words, if I send a GEDCOM of part of my PAF database,
> I will need to provide copies of any digital images separately. Therefore in
> so doing, you control the quality of your digital images.
>
> Terry Mason
> Clermont FL
>
> --- In FHCNET@yahoogroups.com, singhals <singhals@...> wrote:
> >
> <snip>
> >
> > In addition to my already-stated objections, there's the
> > matter of images inserted into some PROGRAM tend to be
> > degraded in quality. I've had 600 dpi tiff images go to 100
> > dpi and become illegible/unidentifiable. If it happens to a
> > tiff, it's sure to happen to a jpg. I've had both PAF and
> > WORD skew an image so badly I had to remove it, even though
> > the image when viewed on an image viewer was excellent.
> >
> > IME it is easier to put a flag in PAF's NOTES (or in FTM's
> > More-About) with the image name than it is to detach the
> > image from FTM.
> <snip>
> > Cheryl
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Bill,

Linking and synching are the same.   When you link you have the option to
exchange data.  You select the data you want to transfer and have the option
to place info in "notes" if you want to examine it further.  The important
thing to remember is that you select whatever data is transferred either way
so you are incontrol of what info is gleaned.

Lois Casson


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Buchanan" <genealogistbuchanan@...>
To: <FHCNET@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Re: Correlating Genealogical Databases


>I think there may also be confusion between LINKING and SYNCHING. As I
> understand it, there is a big difference between them.
>
> Linking is establishing a 1-on-one relationship between individuals in
> your
> database and those in nFS. i.e. "John Brown born 18 May 1789 in Chesham,
> Bucks, England" is the same person as "John Brown PID KZX-123" in nFS.
> This
> is easily reversed, since it normally involves a simple tag added to your
> own database, with no changes to nFS.
> Synchronizing ("synching") involves transfer of data from one database to
> the other. If you inadvertently transfer new incorrect info to nFS, you
> can
> reverse it. If you are not the contributor of the new information, life
> has
> just become more complicated! Suddenly your great uncle Charlie has a wife
> and 10 kids he never knew about, as well as a ton of unknown in-laws.
> Someone has just hijacked your great uncle Charlie! Unlike wrongly
> combined
> records, hijacking cannot be solved by separating. Cases like this usually
> need to be manually corrected by a nFS Data Administrator, and I think
> they
> are very busy people.
>
> As I understand it, the next generation of nFS is expected to allow us to
> do
> more to fix problems. In the meantime, if we are cautious when synching,
> we
> can avoid creating problems for ourselves and others. When in doubt, don't
> do it! Linking should cause no problems.
>
> --
> Bill Buchanan
> website: http://billbuchanan.byethost17.com
> blog: http://billbuchanan.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Lois Casson <lcasson@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I believe that this began as reasons to to synch with nFS and these new
>> issues cited have nothing to do with the process which leaves me
>> confused.
>> When synching you transfer only the info you want so you can't get a lot
>> of
>> faulty info you don't want, as is the case with gedcoms from someone
>> else's
>> files.
>>
>> Lois Casson
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: tmason1
>> To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 10:14 AM
>> Subject: [FHCNET] Re: Correlating Genealogical Databases
>>
>> Cheryl,
>>
>> You state "I've had both PAF and WORD skew an image so badly I had to
>> remove it,..."
>>
>> PAF only points to images which reside outside of the PAF program. It
>> does
>> NOT store images nor provide a packaging program to send the images to
>> someone else. In other words, if I send a GEDCOM of part of my PAF
>> database,
>> I will need to provide copies of any digital images separately. Therefore
>> in
>> so doing, you control the quality of your digital images.
>>
>> Terry Mason
>> Clermont FL
>>
>> --- In FHCNET@yahoogroups.com, singhals <singhals@...> wrote:
>> >
>> <snip>
>> >
>> > In addition to my already-stated objections, there's the
>> > matter of images inserted into some PROGRAM tend to be
>> > degraded in quality. I've had 600 dpi tiff images go to 100
>> > dpi and become illegible/unidentifiable. If it happens to a
>> > tiff, it's sure to happen to a jpg. I've had both PAF and
>> > WORD skew an image so badly I had to remove it, even though
>> > the image when viewed on an image viewer was excellent.
>> >
>> > IME it is easier to put a flag in PAF's NOTES (or in FTM's
>> > More-About) with the image name than it is to detach the
>> > image from FTM.
>> <snip>
>> > Cheryl
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Hi Lois,

AncestralQuest apparently gives me two options:
Manually Synch
Link Only

(These are on the "Verify Synchronization Between Local Data and
FamilySearch" screen.)

Other software may not give the same choices.
Bill


On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Lois Casson <lcasson@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Linking and synching are the same. When you link you have the option to
> exchange data. You select the data you want to transfer and have the option
>
> to place info in "notes" if you want to examine it further. The important
> thing to remember is that you select whatever data is transferred either
> way
> so you are incontrol of what info is gleaned.
>
> Lois Casson
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Buchanan" <genealogistbuchanan@...>
> To: <FHCNET@yahoogroups.com>
>  Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 11:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Re: Correlating Genealogical Databases
>
> >I think there may also be confusion between LINKING and SYNCHING. As I
> > understand it, there is a big difference between them.
> >
> > Linking is establishing a 1-on-one relationship between individuals in
> > your
> > database and those in nFS. i.e. "John Brown born 18 May 1789 in Chesham,
> > Bucks, England" is the same person as "John Brown PID KZX-123" in nFS.
> > This
> > is easily reversed, since it normally involves a simple tag added to your
> > own database, with no changes to nFS.
> > Synchronizing ("synching") involves transfer of data from one database to
> > the other. If you inadvertently transfer new incorrect info to nFS, you
> > can
> > reverse it. If you are not the contributor of the new information, life
> > has
> > just become more complicated! Suddenly your great uncle Charlie has a
> wife
> > and 10 kids he never knew about, as well as a ton of unknown in-laws.
> > Someone has just hijacked your great uncle Charlie! Unlike wrongly
> > combined
> > records, hijacking cannot be solved by separating. Cases like this
> usually
> > need to be manually corrected by a nFS Data Administrator, and I think
> > they
> > are very busy people.
> >
> > As I understand it, the next generation of nFS is expected to allow us to
>
> > do
> > more to fix problems. In the meantime, if we are cautious when synching,
> > we
> > can avoid creating problems for ourselves and others. When in doubt,
> don't
> > do it! Linking should cause no problems.
> >
> > --
> > Bill Buchanan
> > website: http://billbuchanan.byethost17.com
> > blog: http://billbuchanan.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Lois Casson <lcasson@...> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I believe that this began as reasons to to synch with nFS and these new
> >> issues cited have nothing to do with the process which leaves me
> >> confused.
> >> When synching you transfer only the info you want so you can't get a lot
>
> >> of
> >> faulty info you don't want, as is the case with gedcoms from someone
> >> else's
> >> files.
> >>
> >> Lois Casson
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: tmason1
> >> To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
> >> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 10:14 AM
> >> Subject: [FHCNET] Re: Correlating Genealogical Databases
> >>
> >> Cheryl,
> >>
> >> You state "I've had both PAF and WORD skew an image so badly I had to
> >> remove it,..."
> >>
> >> PAF only points to images which reside outside of the PAF program. It
> >> does
> >> NOT store images nor provide a packaging program to send the images to
> >> someone else. In other words, if I send a GEDCOM of part of my PAF
> >> database,
> >> I will need to provide copies of any digital images separately.
> Therefore
> >> in
> >> so doing, you control the quality of your digital images.
> >>
> >> Terry Mason
> >> Clermont FL
> >>
> >> --- In FHCNET@yahoogroups.com, singhals <singhals@...> wrote:
> >> >
> >> <snip>
> >> >
> >> > In addition to my already-stated objections, there's the
> >> > matter of images inserted into some PROGRAM tend to be
> >> > degraded in quality. I've had 600 dpi tiff images go to 100
> >> > dpi and become illegible/unidentifiable. If it happens to a
> >> > tiff, it's sure to happen to a jpg. I've had both PAF and
> >> > WORD skew an image so badly I had to remove it, even though
> >> > the image when viewed on an image viewer was excellent.
> >> >
> >> > IME it is easier to put a flag in PAF's NOTES (or in FTM's
> >> > More-About) with the image name than it is to detach the
> >> > image from FTM.
> >> <snip>
> >> > Cheryl
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Okay you are right.  But, first you hit the "synch" command and when you
make a connection you can, as you said, link only, or you can synchronize
data.  Either way, your local file has been synchronized with the individual
on nFS with an NFSID.

What's most important to emphasize, link, synch, whaterever, no data is
exhanged without you opting to upload/download exactly what info you want.
You have to go event by event and check a box, or however your program does
it so that you files aren't "automatically" corrupted.  I also have the
option to enter data into my notes so I can examine them before adding to my
data files.

Lois Casson



----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Buchanan" <genealogistbuchanan@...>
To: <FHCNET@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Re: Correlating Genealogical Databases


Hi Lois,

AncestralQuest apparently gives me two options:
Manually Synch
Link Only

(These are on the "Verify Synchronization Between Local Data and
FamilySearch" screen.)

Other software may not give the same choices.
Bill


On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Lois Casson <lcasson@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Linking and synching are the same. When you link you have the option to
> exchange data. You select the data you want to transfer and have the
> option
>
> to place info in "notes" if you want to examine it further. The important
> thing to remember is that you select whatever data is transferred either
> way
> so you are incontrol of what info is gleaned.
>
> Lois Casson
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Buchanan" <genealogistbuchanan@...>
> To: <FHCNET@yahoogroups.com>
>  Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 11:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Re: Correlating Genealogical Databases
>
> >I think there may also be confusion between LINKING and SYNCHING. As I
> > understand it, there is a big difference between them.
> >
> > Linking is establishing a 1-on-one relationship between individuals in
> > your
> > database and those in nFS. i.e. "John Brown born 18 May 1789 in Chesham,
> > Bucks, England" is the same person as "John Brown PID KZX-123" in nFS.
> > This
> > is easily reversed, since it normally involves a simple tag added to
> > your
> > own database, with no changes to nFS.
> > Synchronizing ("synching") involves transfer of data from one database
> > to
> > the other. If you inadvertently transfer new incorrect info to nFS, you
> > can
> > reverse it. If you are not the contributor of the new information, life
> > has
> > just become more complicated! Suddenly your great uncle Charlie has a
> wife
> > and 10 kids he never knew about, as well as a ton of unknown in-laws.
> > Someone has just hijacked your great uncle Charlie! Unlike wrongly
> > combined
> > records, hijacking cannot be solved by separating. Cases like this
> usually
> > need to be manually corrected by a nFS Data Administrator, and I think
> > they
> > are very busy people.
> >
> > As I understand it, the next generation of nFS is expected to allow us
> > to
>
> > do
> > more to fix problems. In the meantime, if we are cautious when synching,
> > we
> > can avoid creating problems for ourselves and others. When in doubt,
> don't
> > do it! Linking should cause no problems.
> >
> > --
> > Bill Buchanan
> > website: http://billbuchanan.byethost17.com
> > blog: http://billbuchanan.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Lois Casson <lcasson@...> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I believe that this began as reasons to to synch with nFS and these new
> >> issues cited have nothing to do with the process which leaves me
> >> confused.
> >> When synching you transfer only the info you want so you can't get a
> >> lot
>
> >> of
> >> faulty info you don't want, as is the case with gedcoms from someone
> >> else's
> >> files.
> >>
> >> Lois Casson
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: tmason1
> >> To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
> >> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 10:14 AM
> >> Subject: [FHCNET] Re: Correlating Genealogical Databases
> >>
> >> Cheryl,
> >>
> >> You state "I've had both PAF and WORD skew an image so badly I had to
> >> remove it,..."
> >>
> >> PAF only points to images which reside outside of the PAF program. It
> >> does
> >> NOT store images nor provide a packaging program to send the images to
> >> someone else. In other words, if I send a GEDCOM of part of my PAF
> >> database,
> >> I will need to provide copies of any digital images separately.
> Therefore
> >> in
> >> so doing, you control the quality of your digital images.
> >>
> >> Terry Mason
> >> Clermont FL
> >>
> >> --- In FHCNET@yahoogroups.com, singhals <singhals@...> wrote:
> >> >
> >> <snip>
> >> >
> >> > In addition to my already-stated objections, there's the
> >> > matter of images inserted into some PROGRAM tend to be
> >> > degraded in quality. I've had 600 dpi tiff images go to 100
> >> > dpi and become illegible/unidentifiable. If it happens to a
> >> > tiff, it's sure to happen to a jpg. I've had both PAF and
> >> > WORD skew an image so badly I had to remove it, even though
> >> > the image when viewed on an image viewer was excellent.
> >> >
> >> > IME it is easier to put a flag in PAF's NOTES (or in FTM's
> >> > More-About) with the image name than it is to detach the
> >> > image from FTM.
> >> <snip>
> >> > Cheryl
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >>
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You're right, Terry, thanks.  Allow me to rephrase:

Using both/either WORD and/or PAF, I have inserted for
printing purposes a 600 dpi full color image; PAF and/or
WORD then does God-alone-knows-what to that image so that
what appears in preview and on paper is skewed or degraded
to "unsuitable for human consumption."  At the same time,
and in the same document OTHER 600 dpi full color images do
not degrade.  The random, non-replicatable, non-predictable
nature of this results in my having a huge reluctance to
endorse having a single copy of any digital image and having
that single copy resident inside any program.  For the
purposes of this discussion an OS is not a program. I
mentioned it as a caution because it has happened to me more
than once and with assorted photographs (which BTW I can
slog down to my local drug store and print perfectly well).

But, as others are commenting, this is quite peripheral to
the issue of correlating multiple databases.  But then
again, the ability to store images is likewise pretty
peripheral to correlating, synching, linking, or otherwise
comparing and making-match two or more databases.

Cheryl

tmason1 wrote:
>
>
> Cheryl,
>
> You state "I've had both PAF and WORD skew an image so badly I had to
> remove it,..."
>
> PAF only points to images which reside outside of the PAF program. It
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> to someone else. In other words, if I send a GEDCOM of part of my PAF
> database, I will need to provide copies of any digital images
> separately. Therefore in so doing, you control the quality of your
> digital images.
>
> Terry Mason
> Clermont FL
>
> --- In FHCNET@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FHCNET%40yahoogroups.com>,
> singhals <singhals@...> wrote:
>  >
> <snip>
>  >
>  > In addition to my already-stated objections, there's the
>  > matter of images inserted into some PROGRAM tend to be
>  > degraded in quality. I've had 600 dpi tiff images go to 100
>  > dpi and become illegible/unidentifiable. If it happens to a
>  > tiff, it's sure to happen to a jpg. I've had both PAF and
>  > WORD skew an image so badly I had to remove it, even though
>  > the image when viewed on an image viewer was excellent.
>  >
>  > IME it is easier to put a flag in PAF's NOTES (or in FTM's
>  > More-About) with the image name than it is to detach the
>  > image from FTM.
> <snip>
>  > Cheryl

Thanks for the comments.  I am looking forward to the corrections in NFS in the
future and am very grateful for all the work these missionaries do for us and
the rest of the world. 


Paul



________________________________
From: Bill Buchanan <genealogistbuchanan@...>
To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2011 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Re: Correlating Genealogical Databases

I think there may also be confusion between LINKING and SYNCHING. As I
understand it, there is a big difference between them.

Linking is establishing a 1-on-one relationship between individuals in your
database and those in nFS. i.e. "John Brown born 18 May 1789 in Chesham,
Bucks, England" is the same person as "John Brown PID KZX-123" in nFS. This
is easily reversed, since it normally involves a simple tag added to your
own database, with no changes to nFS.
Synchronizing ("synching") involves transfer of data from one database to
the other. If you inadvertently transfer new incorrect info to nFS, you can
reverse it. If you are not the contributor of the new information, life has
just become more complicated! Suddenly your great uncle Charlie has a wife
and 10 kids he never knew about, as well as a ton of unknown in-laws.
Someone has just hijacked your great uncle Charlie! Unlike wrongly combined
records, hijacking cannot be solved by separating. Cases like this usually
need to be manually corrected by a nFS Data Administrator, and I think they
are very busy people.

As I understand it, the next generation of nFS is expected to allow us to do
more to fix problems. In the meantime, if we are cautious when synching, we
can avoid creating problems for ourselves and others. When in doubt, don't
do it! Linking should cause no problems.

--
Bill Buchanan
website: http://billbuchanan.byethost17.com
blog: http://billbuchanan.blogspot.com



On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Lois Casson <lcasson@...> wrote:

>
>
> I believe that this began as reasons to to synch with nFS and these new
> issues cited have nothing to do with the process which leaves me confused.
> When synching you transfer only the info you want so you can't get a lot of
> faulty info you don't want, as is the case with gedcoms from someone else's
> files.
>
> Lois Casson
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tmason1
> To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 10:14 AM
> Subject: [FHCNET] Re: Correlating Genealogical Databases
>
> Cheryl,
>
> You state "I've had both PAF and WORD skew an image so badly I had to
> remove it,..."
>
> PAF only points to images which reside outside of the PAF program. It does
> NOT store images nor provide a packaging program to send the images to
> someone else. In other words, if I send a GEDCOM of part of my PAF database,
> I will need to provide copies of any digital images separately. Therefore in
> so doing, you control the quality of your digital images.
>
> Terry Mason
> Clermont FL
>
> --- In FHCNET@yahoogroups.com, singhals <singhals@...> wrote:
> >
> <snip>
> >
> > In addition to my already-stated objections, there's the
> > matter of images inserted into some PROGRAM tend to be
> > degraded in quality. I've had 600 dpi tiff images go to 100
> > dpi and become illegible/unidentifiable. If it happens to a
> > tiff, it's sure to happen to a jpg. I've had both PAF and
> > WORD skew an image so badly I had to remove it, even though
> > the image when viewed on an image viewer was excellent.
> >
> > IME it is easier to put a flag in PAF's NOTES (or in FTM's
> > More-About) with the image name than it is to detach the
> > image from FTM.
> <snip>
> > Cheryl
>
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>
> 
>


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I am the FHC director in Tuscaloosa, Alabama.  As most of you know by now, we
experienced a horrorific tornado in our city last week.  Today, I was able to
personally view the devastation.  Many, many emotions and thoughts entered my
mind while traveling through the area that was hit.  We have members who lost
everything, but no one lost their life in our ward.  One thought that came to
mind, is that I am the only one in my family that has our family history on my
computer.  I am the only one that has original documents for our family
history.  I will now be mailing a flash drive or cd of all my databases to
other family members who live in different areas on a regular basis.  I will be
scanning all my documents and pictures and also send the copies to other family
members.  This is just something I thought everyone on our list might want to
think about this, we never know when a natural disaster will occur and what we
may loose in it.
Kelly Wyatt








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Hi Kelly,

We have been following the disasters in the Southeast quadrant. It has been a
destructive trail for many people and places.  We are glad your database was
safe and that many other ancestral documents have been saved for everyone.



Just a thought:  If you happen to be using RootsMagic4 you can create a cd to
share following the instructions that will allow others to view it without
having to install RootsMagic4 on their computer.  I would think it would work
with a flash drive too.  Either media would be easy and safe to send by mail or
hand deliver too.  I would rather be safe than sorry.



I send our prayers and encouragement to you, your Ward members and your
community.





Kate Redford

Salem, Oregon, USA

Laus Deo



From: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FHCNET@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hugh
Wyatt
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 7:45 PM
To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FHCNET] Keeping multiple copies of your family history with other
family members







I am the FHC director in Tuscaloosa, Alabama.  As most of you know by now, we
experienced a horrorific tornado in our city last week.  Today, I was able to
personally view the devastation.  Many, many emotions and thoughts entered my
mind while traveling through the area that was hit.  We have members who lost
everything, but no one lost their life in our ward.  One thought that came to
mind, is that I am the only one in my family that has our family history on my
computer.  I am the only one that has original documents for our family history.
I will now be mailing a flash drive or cd of all my databases to other family
members who live in different areas on a regular basis.  I will be scanning all
my documents and pictures and also send the copies to other family members. 
This is just something I thought everyone on our list might want to think about
this, we never know when a natural disaster will occur and what we may loose in
it.
Kelly Wyatt

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I am sorry for the loss in your community.  While IMHO CDs are best.. by
just having your bare data on nFS you are guaranteed that you might lose
personal copies of scanned images but if you have WHERE you found the data
in your sources then you have not been totally devastated.

By entering into a search engine online storage and free I found some free
resources .. two  of which I use which also saves me from 'lugging around' a
USB key and yet is able to be used at any internet connected computer.

Online or 'cloud' storage will help you retrieve source documents but if you
don't survive either it's worth considering

Alan


On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Hugh Wyatt <hkwyatt@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> I am the FHC director in Tuscaloosa, Alabama.  As most of you know by now,
> we experienced a horrorific tornado in our city last week.  Today, I was
> able to personally view the devastation.  Many, many emotions and thoughts
> entered my mind while traveling through the area that was hit.  We have
> members who lost everything, but no one lost their life in our ward.  One
> thought that came to mind, is that I am the only one in my family that has
> our family history on my computer.  I am the only one that has original
> documents for our family history.  I will now be mailing a flash drive or cd
> of all my databases to other family members who live in different areas on a
> regular basis.  I will be scanning all my documents and pictures and also
> send the copies to other family members.  This is just something I thought
> everyone on our list might want to think about this, we never know when a
> natural disaster will occur and what we may loose in it.
> Kelly Wyatt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Hi Kelly,

Would you contact me directly to chat (lcasson@...).  My husband thinks Bro.
& Sis. Robinson, both temple workers, he is a sealer, live in Tuscaloosa and
we've been worried about them.  I forgot I could call the temple to ask about
them until yesterday.  Do you know them?

Lois Casson
Pensacola

----- Original Message -----
   From: Hugh Wyatt
   To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 9:44 PM
   Subject: [FHCNET] Keeping multiple copies of your family history with other
family members





   I am the FHC director in Tuscaloosa, Alabama.  As most of you know by now, we
experienced a horrorific tornado in our city last week.  Today, I was able to
personally view the devastation.  Many, many emotions and thoughts entered my
mind while traveling through the area that was hit.  We have members who lost
everything, but no one lost their life in our ward.  One thought that came to
mind, is that I am the only one in my family that has our family history on my
computer.  I am the only one that has original documents for our family history.
I will now be mailing a flash drive or cd of all my databases to other family
members who live in different areas on a regular basis.  I will be scanning all
my documents and pictures and also send the copies to other family members. 
This is just something I thought everyone on our list might want to think about
this, we never know when a natural disaster will occur and what we may loose in
it.
   Kelly Wyatt

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You could also have a web page like I do where you can scan and upload all your
docs & pics and make them available to everyone.

Lois Casson
FSC Director
Pensacola, FL

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Hugh Wyatt
   To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 9:44 PM
   Subject: [FHCNET] Keeping multiple copies of your family history with other
family members





   I am the FHC director in Tuscaloosa, Alabama.  As most of you know by now, we
experienced a horrorific tornado in our city last week.  Today, I was able to
personally view the devastation.  Many, many emotions and thoughts entered my
mind while traveling through the area that was hit.  We have members who lost
everything, but no one lost their life in our ward.  One thought that came to
mind, is that I am the only one in my family that has our family history on my
computer.  I am the only one that has original documents for our family history.
I will now be mailing a flash drive or cd of all my databases to other family
members who live in different areas on a regular basis.  I will be scanning all
my documents and pictures and also send the copies to other family members. 
This is just something I thought everyone on our list might want to think about
this, we never know when a natural disaster will occur and what we may loose in
it.
   Kelly Wyatt

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Thankfully you and yours are safe.
We here on the gulf coast can know something of what you are going through.
I'll take a hurricane over a tornado any day. Your damage compares with that
after hurricane Andrew.
   My b-i-l died as a result of that storm and we went down to handle his
affairs there.  There was miles and miles of
debris on the side of the roads stacked 10 ft high.
I backup my data on Worldconnect.  Input all data and only let the public
see what you want them to see.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hugh Wyatt
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 9:44 PM
To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FHCNET] Keeping multiple copies of your family history with other
family members






I am the FHC director in Tuscaloosa, Alabama.  As most of you know by now,
we experienced a horrorific tornado in our city last week.  Today, I was
able to personally view the devastation.  Many, many emotions and thoughts
entered my mind while traveling through the area that was hit.  We have
members who lost everything, but no one lost their life in our ward.  One
thought that came to mind, is that I am the only one in my family that has
our family history on my computer.  I am the only one that has original
documents for our family history.  I will now be mailing a flash drive or cd
of all my databases to other family members who live in different areas on a
regular basis.  I will be scanning all my documents and pictures and also
send the copies to other family members.  This is just something I thought
everyone on our list might want to think about this, we never know when a
natural disaster will occur and what we may loose in it.
Kelly Wyatt








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Most, if not all, of the genealogy programs do not store the documents
and images within its program. They only create a link to wherever you
have your data. Thumbnail images are created and stored, but that's it.
You can put your documents and images anywhere you want them. But if you
move your them you have to relink them.  FTM might be an exception to
that, I haven't used the newer versions.

Sue

On 5/1/2011 8:47 AM, singhals wrote:
>
> I do not want a program that swallows everything -- whether
> everything is 607 digital images or a child born to a
> 103-yr-old female.
>
> Whatever disaster /can/ happen will, soon or late. Whether
> that disaster is a pointer-error in the program, a bad
> sector on the disc it's stored on, a tornado that flings the
> computer into the next county, or whatever.
>
> In addition to my already-stated objections, there's the
> matter of images inserted into some PROGRAM tend to be
> degraded in quality. I've had 600 dpi tiff images go to 100
> dpi and become illegible/unidentifiable. If it happens to a
> tiff, it's sure to happen to a jpg. I've had both PAF and
> WORD skew an image so badly I had to remove it, even though
> the image when viewed on an image viewer was excellent.
>
> IME it is easier to put a flag in PAF's NOTES (or in FTM's
> More-About) with the image name than it is to detach the
> image from FTM. IYE apparently you don't need to do that or
> you don't find it a Pain in the neck.
>
> MY not liking it and YOUR liking it are not mutally
> exclusive, and neither makes a good idea/bad idea for
> everyone else. However, it's a decision everyone else ought
> to be given enough information to make for himself.
>
> There are problems, real and potential, with storing one's
> only copy of a digital file IN any other program. If you
> feel the advantages outweigh those problems, fine, but that
> evaluation doesn't make the problems vanish.
>
> Cheryl
>
>
>
>

--
Sue Maxwell
http://granitegenealogy.blogspot.com/
Vice President - Utah Genealogical Association






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Hello,

I apologize if this has already been answered. I looked, but didn't readily
see a response.

We installed Firefox on our center computers and then later were informed by
Salt Lake in a tech call that it wasn't "supported". Does this mean that we
have to remove it and it cannot be present on our center computers? Or, does
it simply infer that if we have a Firefox problem we are out of luck;
however, we can fend on our own until then.

If you can quote official guidance that would be best!

Thanks,
Joseph Irvine


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Firefox 3.6.17 is the latest version, avoid 4 for the time being due to Flash
support issues (confirmed by a tier-3 person at FamilySearch support that I talk
with on the Wiki tech meeting). 

However, they have said several times at meeting that other than the glitch with
Firefox 4 and Flash, FamilySearch DOES support Firefox 3.x.  I use it at home
and it works perfectly on all FamilySearch sites, including nFS.

They are not supporting Chrome yet (have seen issues with links on FS Indexing),
I don't know about Opera or some of the other minor ones either, although for
Macs they do support Safari.
 

--- On Tue, 5/3/11, Joseph Irvine <joseph@...> wrote:

From: Joseph Irvine <joseph@...>
Subject: [FHCNET] Firefox Question
To: fhcnet@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 6:18 PM







 









       Hello,



I apologize if this has already been answered. I looked, but didn't readily

see a response.



We installed Firefox on our center computers and then later were informed by

Salt Lake in a tech call that it wasn't "supported". Does this mean that we

have to remove it and it cannot be present on our center computers? Or, does

it simply infer that if we have a Firefox problem we are out of luck;

however, we can fend on our own until then.



If you can quote official guidance that would be best!



Thanks,

Joseph Irvine



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On the sign on page to nFS there is a notice of free and trial programs. I tried
one called "Advanced Tree Inspector". One of the things it was  it said it could
do was to look at your tree up to 9 generations  on NFS and tell your your
ethnic makeup. That is 50 % English, 10% Irish, 20% French 20% Scot. Or what
ever your ancestry is. When I tried it with my family it came back that I was
100% Canadian!! That would be a great surprise to my English, Irish, Scot and
French ancestors would do show up on my pedigree chart stating at the 5th
generation and back.

There is only one real issue with Firefox, and that is it throws an error
message if the SSL certificate is not configured right.

Example:

Secure Connection Failed

An error occurred during a connection to fhc.familysearch.org.

SSL peer was unable to negotiate an acceptable set of security parameters.

(Error code: ssl_error_handshake_failure_alert)

    *   The page you are trying to view can not be shown because the authenticity
of the received data could not be verified.

     *   Please contact the web site owners to inform them of this problem.
Alternatively, use the command found in the help menu to report this broken
site.


Problem also occurs with other FamilySearch sites if the SSL certificate is
screwed up somehow.





























An error occurred during a connection to fhc.familysearch.org.

SSL peer was unable to negotiate an acceptable set of security parameters.

(Error code: ssl_error_handshake_failure_alert)

I visited the Family Tech website tonight and noticed some new items on it.
Take a look at http://familytech.familysearch.org/. One of the interesting
things I ran across was a link for a genealogy Android app. They also have
tech help for buying computers, cameras, GPS units, etc. There are tips for
using tech, such as Dropbox, during research. Take a look and see what you
might find.

Miles Meyer
Jacksonville, FL


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I, too, question the determination of ethnic makeup by "Advanced Tree
Inspector".

But I love its compact 9-generation pedigree. It helped me to find an error
in my pedigree on nFS. (Someone had wrongly combined one of my ancestors
with one of theirs.)
Bill Buchanan
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 6:49 PM, josephskid <debmonarch@...> wrote:

>
>
> On the sign on page to nFS there is a notice of free and trial programs. I
> tried one called "Advanced Tree Inspector". One of the things it was it said
> it could do was to look at your tree up to 9 generations on NFS and tell
> your your ethnic makeup. That is 50 % English, 10% Irish, 20% French 20%
> Scot. Or what ever your ancestry is. When I tried it with my family it came
> back that I was 100% Canadian!! That would be a great surprise to my
> English, Irish, Scot and French ancestors would do show up on my pedigree
> chart stating at the 5th generation and back.
>
>
>



--

Bill Buchanan
website: http://billbuchanan.byethost17.com
blog: http://billbuchanan.blogspot.com


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I think the advance tree inspector is bogus.  My paternal grandfather was born
in Sweden, my paternal grandmother was born in Ireland.  My father and I were
born in the Panama, Canal Zone.  My maternal grandmother was first generation
Dane and second generation German.  My maternal grandfather was my only mutt
line, though he was third generation German.

The advanced tree inspectors says I am 50% from Panama, 25% from Germany, 12.50%
from Denmark, 11.72% unknown, and .78% from Ireland.  I have Swedish research
back to the 1600's and there is no mention.

Lois Casson
FSC Director
Pensacola, FL
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: josephskid
   To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:49 PM
   Subject: [FHCNET] Advanced Tree Inspector



   On the sign on page to nFS there is a notice of free and trial programs. I
tried one called "Advanced Tree Inspector". One of the things it was it said it
could do was to look at your tree up to 9 generations on NFS and tell your your
ethnic makeup. That is 50 % English, 10% Irish, 20% French 20% Scot. Or what
ever your ancestry is. When I tried it with my family it came back that I was
100% Canadian!! That would be a great surprise to my English, Irish, Scot and
French ancestors would do show up on my pedigree chart stating at the 5th
generation and back.





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In reading Joel dehlin's blog  http://www.ldscio.org/ it seems that dropbox
has poor security and opens you up to a some problems.

http://www.ldscio.org/post/2011/04/08/Dropbox-Security.aspx

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Miles Meyer <milesmeyer@...> wrote:

> I visited the Family Tech website tonight and noticed some new items on it.
> Take a look at http://familytech.familysearch.org/. One of the interesting
> things I ran across was a link for a genealogy Android app. They also have
> tech help for buying computers, cameras, GPS units, etc. There are tips for
> using tech, such as Dropbox, during research. Take a look and see what you
> might find.
>
> Miles Meyer
> Jacksonville, FL
>


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This may change but for now there are sites that do not support Firefox but do
EI 8

Paul



________________________________
From: genealogy248 <genealogy248@...>
To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2011 8:49 PM
Subject: [FHCNET] Re: Firefox Question


 
There is only one real issue with Firefox, and that is it throws an error
message if the SSL certificate is not configured right.

Example:

Secure Connection Failed

An error occurred during a connection to fhc.familysearch.org.

SSL peer was unable to negotiate an acceptable set of security parameters.

(Error code: ssl_error_handshake_failure_alert)

*   The page you are trying to view can not be shown because the authenticity of
the received data could not be verified.

*   Please contact the web site owners to inform them of this problem.
Alternatively, use the command found in the help menu to report this broken
site.

Problem also occurs with other FamilySearch sites if the SSL certificate is
screwed up somehow.

An error occurred during a connection to fhc.familysearch.org.

SSL peer was unable to negotiate an acceptable set of security parameters.

(Error code: ssl_error_handshake_failure_alert)




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Have you had any particular issues with FamilySearch? 

I can relay stuff over to the Wiki/Forums team on anything there where there is
some sort of problem regarding Firefox.  In fact, often in some of the meetings
they have both browsers open so as things are brought up they can deal with them
and see what the issues are and why things appear a little differently.

I've also seen tonight where the Portal or FamilySearch site does not open in
Firefox.  Go in using IE 8 or other version, and on the Portal page run the
portal.cfg program at the bottom of the portal page, that should cure the
certificate error I mentioned separately.
 

--- On Tue, 5/3/11, Paul Walworth <pdgjw1936@...> wrote:

From: Paul Walworth <pdgjw1936@...>
Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Re: Firefox Question
To: "FHCNET@yahoogroups.com" <FHCNET@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 9:47 PM







 









       This may change but for now there are sites that do not support Firefox
but do EI 8



Paul



________________________________

From: genealogy248 <genealogy248@...>

To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2011 8:49 PM

Subject: [FHCNET] Re: Firefox Question



 

There is only one real issue with Firefox, and that is it throws an error
message if the SSL certificate is not configured right.



Example:



Secure Connection Failed



An error occurred during a connection to fhc.familysearch.org.



SSL peer was unable to negotiate an acceptable set of security parameters.



(Error code: ssl_error_handshake_failure_alert)



*   The page you are trying to view can not be shown because the authenticity of
the received data could not be verified.



*   Please contact the web site owners to inform them of this problem.
Alternatively, use the command found in the help menu to report this broken
site.



Problem also occurs with other FamilySearch sites if the SSL certificate is
screwed up somehow.



An error occurred during a connection to fhc.familysearch.org.



SSL peer was unable to negotiate an acceptable set of security parameters.



(Error code: ssl_error_handshake_failure_alert)



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We have a lot of problems with new FamilySearch on the FHC computers when it
runs using IE.  The solution is to run newFamilySearch on Firefox and we have no
problems.

The subscription databases that run through the FHC portal all use IE.

Rebecca Christensen


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FTM even the older versions do store the doc's and photo's within the program
itself.  I have 2005 and found this out the easy way.  A cousin sent me his
genealogy with the backup and I restored it to my program and everything was
there, that is until I put it into another program.

Paul



________________________________
From: Sue Maxwell <smaxwl@...>
To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
Cc: singhals <singhals@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2011 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Correlating Genealogical Databases


 
Most, if not all, of the genealogy programs do not store the documents
and images within its program. They only create a link to wherever you
have your data. Thumbnail images are created and stored, but that's it.
You can put your documents and images anywhere you want them. But if you
move your them you have to relink them.  FTM might be an exception to
that, I haven't used the newer versions.

Sue

On 5/1/2011 8:47 AM, singhals wrote:
>
> I do not want a program that swallows everything -- whether
> everything is 607 digital images or a child born to a
> 103-yr-old female.
>
> Whatever disaster /can/ happen will, soon or late. Whether
> that disaster is a pointer-error in the program, a bad
> sector on the disc it's stored on, a tornado that flings the
> computer into the next county, or whatever.
>
> In addition to my already-stated objections, there's the
> matter of images inserted into some PROGRAM tend to be
> degraded in quality. I've had 600 dpi tiff images go to 100
> dpi and become illegible/unidentifiable. If it happens to a
> tiff, it's sure to happen to a jpg. I've had both PAF and
> WORD skew an image so badly I had to remove it, even though
> the image when viewed on an image viewer was excellent.
>
> IME it is easier to put a flag in PAF's NOTES (or in FTM's
> More-About) with the image name than it is to detach the
> image from FTM. IYE apparently you don't need to do that or
> you don't find it a Pain in the neck.
>
> MY not liking it and YOUR liking it are not mutally
> exclusive, and neither makes a good idea/bad idea for
> everyone else. However, it's a decision everyone else ought
> to be given enough information to make for himself.
>
> There are problems, real and potential, with storing one's
> only copy of a digital file IN any other program. If you
> feel the advantages outweigh those problems, fine, but that
> evaluation doesn't make the problems vanish.
>
> Cheryl
>
>
>
>

--
Sue Maxwell
http://granitegenealogy.blogspot.com/
Vice President - Utah Genealogical Association

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