Rebecca,

I checked and the Online Film Ordering message was sent to the Lawrence KS FHC's
LDSMail account on August 30th. Do you have the center's account forwarded to a
personal email inbox? If so then your personal email system might be blocking
some messages or placing then in the "junk" or "spam" boxes.

Please call FamilySearch at 1-866-406-1830 if you continue to have problems with
LDSMail or if you need further training on the new ordering system.

Thanks,

Lance

--- In FHCNET@yahoogroups.com, Rebecca Christensen <rchristen@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks. I am receiving e-mail from the LDS account - received one today.  But
still no official e-mail about the online ordering which appears to be scheduled
for next month.
>
> Rebecca Christensen
> Lawrence, KS
>
> --- On Fri, 8/26/11, Paul Walworth <pdgjw1936@...> wrote:
>
> From: Paul Walworth <pdgjw1936@...>
> Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Online film ordering
> To: "FHCNET@yahoogroups.com" <FHCNET@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, August 26, 2011, 12:25 AM
>
> All Family History Center Directors will be receiving email through their
LDSmail.  If they have been using their LDS mail it will be active but if not
they will have to have it reactivated as all mail will bounce and then will be
sent for activation.  This is due to using gmail system.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Topics appropriate for discussion include staff training, collection
development, film/fiche management, equipment maintenance, FamilySearch,
patron services, or anything else to do with management of a family history
center.

Please do not submit virus alerts, chain letters, recipes, jokes, or
other off-topic material to the list.  Don't send copies of copyrighted
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Lance,
   You are responding to a post I sent on August 25. I'm not having any problems
with the LDS mail account and receive e-mails from it on a regular basis.  I
received the official e-mail notification about the online ordering on August 30
through LDSMail.  My original post was because I was hearing rumors that online
ordering was coming to Kansas through the grapevine but hadn't received anything
official.
   Thanks for checking.

Rebecca Christensen

--- On Thu, 9/1/11, lance_mcintosh <lance_mcintosh@...> wrote:
From: lance_mcintosh <lance_mcintosh@...>
Subject: [FHCNET] Re: Online film ordering
To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 1, 2011, 12:24 PM

Rebecca,

I checked and the Online Film Ordering message was sent to the Lawrence KS FHC's
LDSMail account on August 30th. Do you have the center's account forwarded to a
personal email inbox? If so then your personal email system might be blocking
some messages or placing then in the "junk" or "spam" boxes.

Please call FamilySearch at 1-866-406-1830 if you continue to have problems with
LDSMail or if you need further training on the new ordering system.

Thanks,

Lance

--- In FHCNET@yahoogroups.com, Rebecca Christensen <rchristen@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks. I am receiving e-mail from the LDS account - received one today.  But
still no official e-mail about the online ordering which appears to be scheduled
for next month.
>
> Rebecca Christensen
> Lawrence, KS
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi

I have been asked by Stake to give them qualification points of what a High
Councilman over the Family History Center should be.  This is do to the fact
that the current one is not computer literate and refuses to use a computer. 
Now so much is on the computer from simple email notifications to training along
with records, etc.  If you had the opportunity what would you express to the
Stake.  Yes I know it is a wonderful opportunity but other than the obvious I
don't want to miss out and not bring up a point.  This group is fantastic with
their help and wonderful insight.  Keep up the good work

Thank You

Kathy Fotens

Kathy,

First he should go to the LDS.org website and find the Serving in the Church
link:
<http://lds.org/service/serving-in-the-church/temple-and-family-history?lang
=eng>
http://lds.org/service/serving-in-the-church/temple-and-family-history?lang=
eng



This will explain to him exactly what he should do and what is required of
him.

Shanna



From: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FHCNET@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Kfotens
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 1:02 PM
To: FHCNET@YAHOOGROUPS.COM
Subject: [FHCNET] HIGH COUNCIL REQUIREMENTS





Hi

I have been asked by Stake to give them qualification points of what a High
Councilman over the Family History Center should be. This is do to the fact
that the current one is not computer literate and refuses to use a computer.
Now so much is on the computer from simple email notifications to training
along with records, etc. If you had the opportunity what would you express
to the Stake. Yes I know it is a wonderful opportunity but other than the
obvious I don't want to miss out and not bring up a point. This group is
fantastic with their help and wonderful insight. Keep up the good work

Thank You

Kathy Fotens





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I am the HC Rep over FH in our Stake. As you noted, a knowledge of computers
is a good starting place since so much of the data is online now. I would
also note that an interest in family history is also needed. If they do not
have an interest it is hard to instruct and encourage others to be
interested. I volunteer one night a week in the FHC. I would hope that the
HC rep also volunteers to work in the FHC. Lead by example. How do you
expect to have Wards provide volunteers when the HC rep refuses to be
active. One of the main duties of the HC rep is to train the HPGL what their
responsibilities are (see the Handbook and other Family History manuals).
They are also in charge of setting up Stake temple events and encouraging
others to attend the temple regularly. Hope this helps.

Miles Meyer
Jacksonville, FL



On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Kfotens <kfotens@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi
>
> I have been asked by Stake to give them qualification points of what a High
> Councilman over the Family History Center should be. This is do to the fact
> that the current one is not computer literate and refuses to use a computer.
> Now so much is on the computer from simple email notifications to training
> along with records, etc. If you had the opportunity what would you express
> to the Stake. Yes I know it is a wonderful opportunity but other than the
> obvious I don't want to miss out and not bring up a point. This group is
> fantastic with their help and wonderful insight. Keep up the good work
>
> Thank You
>
> Kathy Fotens
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I will put in a couple of thoughts:
As Shauna mentioned, go to the lds.org site for serving in the Church.  On
this site, you can download the new Leader's guide to Temple and Family
History, To Turn the Hearts.  The manual explains responsibilities of the
Stake and Ward leaders in clear terms.  Mention that this manual is
additional support and guidance to Handbook 2, Section 5.
Have them go to familysearch.org/consultant website to register and then
view the training for their responsibilities.  Do these training modules a
little at a time.
If the new High Council representative does not have much experience with
family history, suggest they attend a family history class that hopefully is
being taught in their ward.
If they have the time, volunteer to work in the family history center, as
Miles mentioned.
They should be able to work well with people and be able to teach, as they
should be instructing the High Priest Group Leaders.
Of course, you don't want to overload them or scare them about this
assignment.

Just a side note,
1.  The To Turn the Hearts manual and DVD is being projected to be released
by the end of the year.  The DVD will be a great presentation on how family
history and temple work can strengthen the Church.  The manual has been
approved and is ready for printing.  The DVD is in the finals stages of
approval.
2.  There is a new website geared specifically to the youth, it is:
familysearch.org/ldsyouth.  It helps the youth get involved in family
history work and then shows them how they can assist people who are nervous
using computers.
3.  Lastly, if you have not gone to the consultant website lately, there are
some new training modules available.  One is on family history and
missionary work.  There are some new things that are being required of and
taught to new missionaries.  There are some thoughts on how to use family
history classes and family history centers in missionary efforts.  Very
worthwhile to complete this training.  Also, it appears that some of the
older training modules may have been updated.

Len Ingermanson

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Kfotens <kfotens@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi
>
> I have been asked by Stake to give them qualification points of what a High
> Councilman over the Family History Center should be. This is do to the fact
> that the current one is not computer literate and refuses to use a computer.
> Now so much is on the computer from simple email notifications to training
> along with records, etc. If you had the opportunity what would you express
> to the Stake. Yes I know it is a wonderful opportunity but other than the
> obvious I don't want to miss out and not bring up a point. This group is
> fantastic with their help and wonderful insight. Keep up the good work
>
> Thank You
>
> Kathy Fotens
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Going to www.familysearch.org and clicking on the What's New on the right
part of the screen will take you to this link:
<https://www.familysearch.org/blog?category=8>
https://www.familysearch.org/blog?category=8



What's New at FamilySearch?



It is a good place to visit frequently just to keep up, there are lots of
changes coming.



Shanna





From: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FHCNET@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 11:53 AM
To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FHCNET] File - Posting






Topics appropriate for discussion include staff training, collection
development, film/fiche management, equipment maintenance, FamilySearch,
patron services, or anything else to do with management of a family history
center.

Please do not submit virus alerts, chain letters, recipes, jokes, or
other off-topic material to the list. Don't send copies of copyrighted
material. Vulgarity and personal attacks on other list members, leaders,
or the Family History Department are also unwelcome.

If someone else violates these rules, please do not send their message
back to the list! That only magnifies the problem. Send a private email
if you wish, or notify the list owner at FHCNET-owner@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FHCNET-owner%40yahoogroups.com> .

The FHCNET list will accept brief announcements of books and other resource
material related to family history center operation. Please do not post
prices. Instead, include a link to a URL, a commercial mailing list, or an
email address where the complete ordering information can be found. If you
are unsure about what to post, send the message to
FHCNET-owner@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FHCNET-owner%40yahoogroups.com> . I'll
will review it and forward it to the List
if appropriate.

RussellHltn, list owner
FHCNET-owner@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FHCNET-owner%40yahoogroups.com>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thank you for that link it will be helpful
Paul



________________________________
From: Shanna Jones <shannasjones@...>
To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 2:15 PM
Subject: RE: [FHCNET] HIGH COUNCIL REQUIREMENTS


 
Kathy,

First he should go to the LDS.org website and find the Serving in the Church
link:
<http://lds.org/service/serving-in-the-church/temple-and-family-history?lang
=eng>
http://lds.org/service/serving-in-the-church/temple-and-family-history?lang=
eng

This will explain to him exactly what he should do and what is required of
him.

Shanna

From: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FHCNET@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Kfotens
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 1:02 PM
To: FHCNET@YAHOOGROUPS.COM
Subject: [FHCNET] HIGH COUNCIL REQUIREMENTS

Hi

I have been asked by Stake to give them qualification points of what a High
Councilman over the Family History Center should be. This is do to the fact
that the current one is not computer literate and refuses to use a computer.
Now so much is on the computer from simple email notifications to training
along with records, etc. If you had the opportunity what would you express
to the Stake. Yes I know it is a wonderful opportunity but other than the
obvious I don't want to miss out and not bring up a point. This group is
fantastic with their help and wonderful insight. Keep up the good work

Thank You

Kathy Fotens

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Kathy,

Facing the fact that your HC Adviser does not use and refuses to use computers
will enable you to get some help from him for FH. Attempting to get him trained
on a computer, unless he expresses the desire to do so, will only alienate him
and give you no support.

Perhaps he is not a reader either?  This further complicates things.

First you need to recognize that his function is to oversee and administer the
FH work in the stake.  He is NOT required nor expected to become a FH Consultant
nor a FH Center Staff member.  Trying to get him to do this will produce only
negative results.

He needs to understand that it is NOT his responsibility to actually train the
HPGLs, FHC Directors and Consultants, but simply to show them where the training
materials are and perhaps to track their progress so he can insure that the
training has actually taken place.

He does NOT need to know how to use NewFamilySearch or any of the other computer
programs to effectively do his calling.  While it would be nice if he did, it is
not a necessity nor a requirement.

He does however need to have an understanding of how FH works in the church and
he does need to communicate with the workers. May I suggest that you show him
Bob's Overview of Family History power point? This will let him see the overall
picture of FH.

Then he needs to understand what it is that each worker is expected to do,
including the HC Adviser. He cannot supervise them unless he understands what it
is that they are expected to do.  May I suggest that you show him Bob's Duties
of HC Adviser, Bob's Duties of HPGL, Bob's Duties of Bishop for FH and finally
Bob's Duties of FH Consultants?  He then will understand the function of each
worker in FH.

At this point he may feel overwhelmed but needs to realize that his calling is
to supervise - not to do the work himself.  At this point may I suggest that you
show him Bob's Action Checklist for FH?  This is a simple checklist that shows
simply what each worker should do to make the work go forward.  He mainly needs
to communicate with the workers and offer encouragement and support as well as
providing direction.  Having responsibilities assigned at each level and getting
the reports flowing to measure progress and provide feedback and encouragement
will go a long ways in speeding up the work. See President Monson's quote at the
bottom of the Action Checklist.

How can he provide assistance where it is needed most?  HPGLs usually do not
understand what they are supposed to do.  Showing them Bob's Duties of HPGL
power point and then giving them Items Needed by HPGL (many of them do not and
will not use a computer as well)will enable them to finally understand what they
need to do in administering FH work in their wards.  These needed items are
scattered in various locations and many are never found by HPGLs but now you can
have them all in one location simply by asking.  I suggest that you save them in
a separate file.

High Council Adviser Requirements?  He is a supervisor who lovingly oversees the
work and based upon reports received is able to correct deficiencies and offer
encouragement and support to all FH workers in his stake.  He recognizes that
"Return and Report" is the only way he will know what is or is not happening. 
If he doesn't receive any reports then how and on what will he "report regularly
to the stake presidency"? (See To Turn the Hearts p.7)

If you want your Stake HC Adviser to be effective, then train him (it doesn't
happen auto-magically when he is called) and then provide him reports on a
regular basis.

If you try to make him into a FH Consultant or a FH Center Staff worker, then
you will most likely drive him away and get nothing from him.

Note:  The power points and other items I mentioned above are NOT produced by
the FH Department. They are my own view of how things should run after studying
the directions given by the church and from my experience in working with
numerous HC Advisors as a FH Center Director for the past five years. Almost
every HC Adviser I worked with would tell me that they did not know what they
were supposed to do.

If you would like FREE copies of my materials, please send an email to

res@...

God Bless and God Speed the Work!
Robert Strange









--- In FHCNET@yahoogroups.com, Kfotens <kfotens@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I have been asked by Stake to give them qualification points of what a High
Councilman over the Family History Center should be.  This is do to the fact
that the current one is not computer literate and refuses to use a computer. 
Now so much is on the computer from simple email notifications to training along
with records, etc.  If you had the opportunity what would you express to the
Stake.  Yes I know it is a wonderful opportunity but other than the obvious I
don't want to miss out and not bring up a point.  This group is fantastic with
their help and wonderful insight.  Keep up the good work
>
> Thank You
>
> Kathy Fotens
>

I am sorry, but feel that I need to weigh in on some of what you say.
In the To Turn the Hearts manual, it specifically states that the High
Council representative is to "*Instruct* the High Priest Group Leaders and
Elder's Quorum leaders in their temple and family history responsibilities
and ensures that the stake, wards, and quorums are organized to do the
work."  (page 7)  I am not sure of what your definition of *Instruct* is,
but to simply show a person where to find the material is not my definition
of *Instruct*.  To me, for a person to *Instruct* on any subject, he should
be knowledgeable on the subject.  Just handing a person some manuals and
telling them to study them is not my idea of instructing them.  The
dictionary gives the following definitions of Instruct:
*1  **:* to give knowledge to *:*
teach<http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/teach>
, train <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/train>
2
*:* to provide with authoritative information or advice <the judge *instruct
**ed* the jury>
3
*:* to give an order or command to *:*
direct<http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/direct>
Given these definitions, a person is unable to *Instruct* without having an
understanding of the subject.  How can you instruct someone on a subject
when you have no knowledge of the material yourself?  It should not be the
responsibility of a Family History Consultant or a Family History Center
Director to train the High Council Representative or the High Priest Group
Leader.  There is an Area Family History Adviser, called by the Area
Authority, who is assigned to work with the Stake President.  The Area
Adviser is a resource to the Stake President in matters dealing with temple
and family history work.  The Stake President can ask the Area Adviser to
work with and train the High Council representative, so that he can fulfill
his assignments.  That is how it should be done.  For too many years we have
been trying to work in the reverse direction, which has led to limited
success and mostly in frustrated workers.  We need to begin doing the work
in the proper order to be more successful.
Sorry, but I needed to get this off my chest.  The programs have not
changed, but have been made more clear for us to move forward.  We should be
looking at and following the guidance in these new manuals.
Len Ingermanson

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Robert <res@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Kathy,
>
> Facing the fact that your HC Adviser does not use and refuses to use
> computers will enable you to get some help from him for FH. Attempting to
> get him trained on a computer, unless he expresses the desire to do so, will
> only alienate him and give you no support.
>
> Perhaps he is not a reader either? This further complicates things.
>
> First you need to recognize that his function is to oversee and administer
> the FH work in the stake. He is NOT required nor expected to become a FH
> Consultant nor a FH Center Staff member. Trying to get him to do this will
> produce only negative results.
>
> He needs to understand that it is NOT his responsibility to actually train
> the HPGLs, FHC Directors and Consultants, but simply to show them where the
> training materials are and perhaps to track their progress so he can insure
> that the training has actually taken place.
>
> He does NOT need to know how to use NewFamilySearch or any of the other
> computer programs to effectively do his calling. While it would be nice if
> he did, it is not a necessity nor a requirement.
>
> He does however need to have an understanding of how FH works in the church
> and he does need to communicate with the workers. May I suggest that you
> show him Bob's Overview of Family History power point? This will let him see
> the overall picture of FH.
>
> Then he needs to understand what it is that each worker is expected to do,
> including the HC Adviser. He cannot supervise them unless he understands
> what it is that they are expected to do. May I suggest that you show him
> Bob's Duties of HC Adviser, Bob's Duties of HPGL, Bob's Duties of Bishop for
> FH and finally Bob's Duties of FH Consultants? He then will understand the
> function of each worker in FH.
>
> At this point he may feel overwhelmed but needs to realize that his calling
> is to supervise - not to do the work himself. At this point may I suggest
> that you show him Bob's Action Checklist for FH? This is a simple checklist
> that shows simply what each worker should do to make the work go forward. He
> mainly needs to communicate with the workers and offer encouragement and
> support as well as providing direction. Having responsibilities assigned at
> each level and getting the reports flowing to measure progress and provide
> feedback and encouragement will go a long ways in speeding up the work. See
> President Monson's quote at the bottom of the Action Checklist.
>
> How can he provide assistance where it is needed most? HPGLs usually do not
> understand what they are supposed to do. Showing them Bob's Duties of HPGL
> power point and then giving them Items Needed by HPGL (many of them do not
> and will not use a computer as well)will enable them to finally understand
> what they need to do in administering FH work in their wards. These needed
> items are scattered in various locations and many are never found by HPGLs
> but now you can have them all in one location simply by asking. I suggest
> that you save them in a separate file.
>
> High Council Adviser Requirements? He is a supervisor who lovingly oversees
> the work and based upon reports received is able to correct deficiencies and
> offer encouragement and support to all FH workers in his stake. He
> recognizes that "Return and Report" is the only way he will know what is or
> is not happening. If he doesn't receive any reports then how and on what
> will he "report regularly to the stake presidency"? (See To Turn the Hearts
> p.7)
>
> If you want your Stake HC Adviser to be effective, then train him (it
> doesn't happen auto-magically when he is called) and then provide him
> reports on a regular basis.
>
> If you try to make him into a FH Consultant or a FH Center Staff worker,
> then you will most likely drive him away and get nothing from him.
>
> Note: The power points and other items I mentioned above are NOT produced
> by the FH Department. They are my own view of how things should run after
> studying the directions given by the church and from my experience in
> working with numerous HC Advisors as a FH Center Director for the past five
> years. Almost every HC Adviser I worked with would tell me that they did not
> know what they were supposed to do.
>
> If you would like FREE copies of my materials, please send an email to
>
> res@...
>
> God Bless and God Speed the Work!
> Robert Strange
>
> --- In FHCNET@yahoogroups.com, Kfotens <kfotens@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I have been asked by Stake to give them qualification points of what a
> High Councilman over the Family History Center should be. This is do to the
> fact that the current one is not computer literate and refuses to use a
> computer. Now so much is on the computer from simple email notifications to
> training along with records, etc. If you had the opportunity what would you
> express to the Stake. Yes I know it is a wonderful opportunity but other
> than the obvious I don't want to miss out and not bring up a point. This
> group is fantastic with their help and wonderful insight. Keep up the good
> work
> >
> > Thank You
> >
> > Kathy Fotens
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Paraphrasing, Len Ingermanson said "There is an Area Family History Adviser,
called by the Area Authority, who is assigned to work {at the request of} the
Stake President as a resource to the Stake President in matters dealing with
temple and family history work. The Stake President can ask the Area Adviser to
work with and train the High Council representative, so that the representative
can fulfill his assignments.
    It is not be the responsibility of a Family History Consultant or a Family
History Center Director to train the High Council Representative or the High
Priest Group Leader.
    That is how it should be done."

This is correct. So Kathy, if someone, even including the Stake President asks
you to instruct or advise the High Councilor over Temple and Family History,
just encourage him to get the name of the Family History Area Representative who
is called to do the task. Family Search Support will gladly furnish that
information or the Area Authority can be asked to assign the Advisor to the
Stake High Councilor.

Terry Mason
Clermont, FL

I was wondering if someone could help me describe in one short paragraph what
New Family Search is for a class descriptions that most that will be at a
genealogical seminar will be non members. Now this is not the Family Search
updated site this is for the actual nFS site. We do a genealogical seminar every
year and have about 30-35 classes and get about 350-400 patrons in attendance.
About 75% are non members so I need to describe the class in a way that they
will understand that it is for members (without actually stating LDS only!) The
class descriptions are on the back of the actual class schedule.

Thanks

Sally

Sally,
If all goes as planned, new familysearch is to be released to the public
around the end of the year.  Last year I taught a class at our family
history fair about new.familysearch.org, and most of the attendees were
non-members of the church.  I explained that at the time being the program
was only for members, but that it would eventually be released worldwide to
everyone.  I was asked by some of the non-member in the class if it would be
beneficial for them.  I told them that in the future they would be able to
access the program and if they would like to stay in the class they were
more than welcome.  Because most of the class was made up of non-members, I
geared my presentation to them.  They enjoyed the class.  As far as a short
description, I would say something like this:

"New.familysearch is a web-based program that allows one to search for and
contribute information on one's ancestors.  It contains information on about
1/2 billion individuals throughout the world.  One begins by entering
information about oneself and then has the capability to link ancestors to
build a pedigree.  Information on living individuals remains confidential
and this data is very limited for view by others using the program.
  Information found in the program can be edited or corrected if errors are
discovered.  Sources for information entered can and should be provided to
corroborate data.  Contributors of information are encouraged to provide
contact information about themselves.  By providing this contact
information, you are able to collaborate with other contributors and allows
for a more accurate database.  Eventually, new.familysearch will be rolled
into familysearch.org and will be accessed through this one website."
This is just a thought about the program, you could wordsmith it as you
like.

Len Ingermanson


On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Sally <smilesonly@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I was wondering if someone could help me describe in one short paragraph
> what New Family Search is for a class descriptions that most that will be at
> a genealogical seminar will be non members. Now this is not the Family
> Search updated site this is for the actual nFS site. We do a genealogical
> seminar every year and have about 30-35 classes and get about 350-400
> patrons in attendance. About 75% are non members so I need to describe the
> class in a way that they will understand that it is for members (without
> actually stating LDS only!) The class descriptions are on the back of the
> actual class schedule.
>
> Thanks
>
> Sally
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

When this program is released to the non member community, are we expecting them
to waste countless hours combining as well?

Sent from Toro my iPhone

On 2011-09-02, at 20:14, Len Ingermanson <len438@...> wrote:

> Sally,
> If all goes as planned, new familysearch is to be released to the public
> around the end of the year.  Last year I taught a class at our family
> history fair about new.familysearch.org, and most of the attendees were
> non-members of the church.  I explained that at the time being the program
> was only for members, but that it would eventually be released worldwide to
> everyone.  I was asked by some of the non-member in the class if it would be
> beneficial for them.  I told them that in the future they would be able to
> access the program and if they would like to stay in the class they were
> more than welcome.  Because most of the class was made up of non-members, I
> geared my presentation to them.  They enjoyed the class.  As far as a short
> description, I would say something like this:
>
> "New.familysearch is a web-based program that allows one to search for and
> contribute information on one's ancestors.  It contains information on about
> 1/2 billion individuals throughout the world.  One begins by entering
> information about oneself and then has the capability to link ancestors to
> build a pedigree.  Information on living individuals remains confidential
> and this data is very limited for view by others using the program.
> Information found in the program can be edited or corrected if errors are
> discovered.  Sources for information entered can and should be provided to
> corroborate data.  Contributors of information are encouraged to provide
> contact information about themselves.  By providing this contact
> information, you are able to collaborate with other contributors and allows
> for a more accurate database.  Eventually, new.familysearch will be rolled
> into familysearch.org and will be accessed through this one website."
> This is just a thought about the program, you could wordsmith it as you
> like.
>
> Len Ingermanson
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Sally <smilesonly@...> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> I was wondering if someone could help me describe in one short paragraph
>> what New Family Search is for a class descriptions that most that will be at
>> a genealogical seminar will be non members. Now this is not the Family
>> Search updated site this is for the actual nFS site. We do a genealogical
>> seminar every year and have about 30-35 classes and get about 350-400
>> patrons in attendance. About 75% are non members so I need to describe the
>> class in a way that they will understand that it is for members (without
>> actually stating LDS only!) The class descriptions are on the back of the
>> actual class schedule.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Sally
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> or send blank email to FHCNET-subscribe@yahoogroupsYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Has anyone else gotten this message multiple times.  I have gotten this message
17 times and they are still coming.

Leslie Vaughn
From: Sue Barnsley
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:40 PM
To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Class title



When this program is released to the non member community, are we expecting them
to waste countless hours combining as well?

Sent from Toro my iPhone

On 2011-09-02, at 20:14, Len Ingermanson <len438@...> wrote:

> Sally,
> If all goes as planned, new familysearch is to be released to the public
> around the end of the year. Last year I taught a class at our family
> history fair about new.familysearch.org, and most of the attendees were
> non-members of the church. I explained that at the time being the program
> was only for members, but that it would eventually be released worldwide to
> everyone. I was asked by some of the non-member in the class if it would be
> beneficial for them. I told them that in the future they would be able to
> access the program and if they would like to stay in the class they were
> more than welcome. Because most of the class was made up of non-members, I
> geared my presentation to them. They enjoyed the class. As far as a short
> description, I would say something like this:
>
> "New.familysearch is a web-based program that allows one to search for and
> contribute information on one's ancestors. It contains information on about
> 1/2 billion individuals throughout the world. One begins by entering
> information about oneself and then has the capability to link ancestors to
> build a pedigree. Information on living individuals remains confidential
> and this data is very limited for view by others using the program.
> Information found in the program can be edited or corrected if errors are
> discovered. Sources for information entered can and should be provided to
> corroborate data. Contributors of information are encouraged to provide
> contact information about themselves. By providing this contact
> information, you are able to collaborate with other contributors and allows
> for a more accurate database. Eventually, new.familysearch will be rolled
> into familysearch.org and will be accessed through this one website."
> This is just a thought about the program, you could wordsmith it as you
> like.
>
> Len Ingermanson
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Sally <smilesonly@...> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> I was wondering if someone could help me describe in one short paragraph
>> what New Family Search is for a class descriptions that most that will be at
>> a genealogical seminar will be non members. Now this is not the Family
>> Search updated site this is for the actual nFS site. We do a genealogical
>> seminar every year and have about 30-35 classes and get about 350-400
>> patrons in attendance. About 75% are non members so I need to describe the
>> class in a way that they will understand that it is for members (without
>> actually stating LDS only!) The class descriptions are on the back of the
>> actual class schedule.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Sally
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> or send blank email to FHCNET-subscribe@yahoogroupsYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I've only seen it once.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I've just wasted countless hours combining Sue's message!
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Sue Barnsley
   To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 7:40 PM
   Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Class title



   When this program is released to the non member community, are we expecting
them to waste countless hours combining as well?

   Sent from Toro my iPhone

   On 2011-09-02, at 20:14, Len Ingermanson <len438@...> wrote:

   > Sally,
   > If all goes as planned, new familysearch is to be released to the public
   > around the end of the year. Last year I taught a class at our family
   > history fair about new.familysearch.org, and most of the attendees were
   > non-members of the church. I explained that at the time being the program
   > was only for members, but that it would eventually be released worldwide to
   > everyone. I was asked by some of the non-member in the class if it would be
   > beneficial for them. I told them that in the future they would be able to
   > access the program and if they would like to stay in the class they were
   > more than welcome. Because most of the class was made up of non-members, I
   > geared my presentation to them. They enjoyed the class. As far as a short
   > description, I would say something like this:
   >
   > "New.familysearch is a web-based program that allows one to search for and
   > contribute information on one's ancestors. It contains information on about
   > 1/2 billion individuals throughout the world. One begins by entering
   > information about oneself and then has the capability to link ancestors to
   > build a pedigree. Information on living individuals remains confidential
   > and this data is very limited for view by others using the program.
   > Information found in the program can be edited or corrected if errors are
   > discovered. Sources for information entered can and should be provided to
   > corroborate data. Contributors of information are encouraged to provide
   > contact information about themselves. By providing this contact
   > information, you are able to collaborate with other contributors and allows
   > for a more accurate database. Eventually, new.familysearch will be rolled
   > into familysearch.org and will be accessed through this one website."
   > This is just a thought about the program, you could wordsmith it as you
   > like.
   >
   > Len Ingermanson
   >
   >
   > On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Sally <smilesonly@...> wrote:
   >
   >> **
   >>
   >>
   >> I was wondering if someone could help me describe in one short paragraph
   >> what New Family Search is for a class descriptions that most that will be
at
   >> a genealogical seminar will be non members. Now this is not the Family
   >> Search updated site this is for the actual nFS site. We do a genealogical
   >> seminar every year and have about 30-35 classes and get about 350-400
   >> patrons in attendance. About 75% are non members so I need to describe the
   >> class in a way that they will understand that it is for members (without
   >> actually stating LDS only!) The class descriptions are on the back of the
   >> actual class schedule.
   >>
   >> Thanks
   >>
   >> Sally
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >
   >
   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   >
   >
   >
   > ------------------------------------
   >
   > or send blank email to FHCNET-subscribe@yahoogroupsYahoo! Groups Links
   >
   >
   >




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I received the message numerous times as well.is there something wrong with
the site?



From: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FHCNET@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
LPG
Sent: September 2, 2011 11:28 PM
To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Class title





I've just wasted countless hours combining Sue's message!
----- Original Message -----
From: Sue Barnsley
To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FHCNET%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Class title

When this program is released to the non member community, are we expecting
them to waste countless hours combining as well?

Sent from Toro my iPhone

On 2011-09-02, at 20:14, Len Ingermanson <len438@...
<mailto:len438%40gmail.com> > wrote:

> Sally,
> If all goes as planned, new familysearch is to be released to the public
> around the end of the year. Last year I taught a class at our family
> history fair about new.familysearch.org, and most of the attendees were
> non-members of the church. I explained that at the time being the program
> was only for members, but that it would eventually be released worldwide
to
> everyone. I was asked by some of the non-member in the class if it would
be
> beneficial for them. I told them that in the future they would be able to
> access the program and if they would like to stay in the class they were
> more than welcome. Because most of the class was made up of non-members, I
> geared my presentation to them. They enjoyed the class. As far as a short
> description, I would say something like this:
>
> "New.familysearch is a web-based program that allows one to search for and
> contribute information on one's ancestors. It contains information on
about
> 1/2 billion individuals throughout the world. One begins by entering
> information about oneself and then has the capability to link ancestors to
> build a pedigree. Information on living individuals remains confidential
> and this data is very limited for view by others using the program.
> Information found in the program can be edited or corrected if errors are
> discovered. Sources for information entered can and should be provided to
> corroborate data. Contributors of information are encouraged to provide
> contact information about themselves. By providing this contact
> information, you are able to collaborate with other contributors and
allows
> for a more accurate database. Eventually, new.familysearch will be rolled
> into familysearch.org and will be accessed through this one website."
> This is just a thought about the program, you could wordsmith it as you
> like.
>
> Len Ingermanson
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Sally <smilesonly@...
<mailto:smilesonly%40shaw.ca> > wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> I was wondering if someone could help me describe in one short paragraph
>> what New Family Search is for a class descriptions that most that will be
at
>> a genealogical seminar will be non members. Now this is not the Family
>> Search updated site this is for the actual nFS site. We do a genealogical
>> seminar every year and have about 30-35 classes and get about 350-400
>> patrons in attendance. About 75% are non members so I need to describe
the
>> class in a way that they will understand that it is for members (without
>> actually stating LDS only!) The class descriptions are on the back of the
>> actual class schedule.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Sally
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> or send blank email to FHCNET-subscribe@yahoogroupsYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It appears there was a glitch with Sue's message. 

It's not the combining that is time-consuming.  It is the separating that has
taken way more time.  Combining takes minutes in comparison to the hours it
takes cleaning up records that have been combined erroneously.  You would think
people would know that William, James, Richard, and John are different people
and not combine them (over and over again).  A little thought on the part of the
combiners would go a long way.  It's really frustrating to separate and clean up
the records time and time again.

Rebecca Christensen

--- On Fri, 9/2/11, Sue Barnsley <sbarnsley@...> wrote:

From: Sue Barnsley <sbarnsley@...>
Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Class title
To: "FHCNET@yahoogroups.com" <FHCNET@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, September 2, 2011, 9:40 PM

When this program is released to the non member community, are we expecting them
to waste countless hours combining as well?

Sent from Toro my iPhone



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cute


I ended up with 25 of them




From: LPG
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 2:27 AM
To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Class title



I've just wasted countless hours combining Sue's message!
----- Original Message -----
From: Sue Barnsley
To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Class title

When this program is released to the non member community, are we expecting them
to waste countless hours combining as well?

Sent from Toro my iPhone




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

(GBG)  OK, Sue, quit punching SEND.

Cheryl

Sue Barnsley wrote:
>
>
> When this program is released to the non member community, are we
> expecting them to waste countless hours combining as well?
>
> Sent from Toro my iPhone
>
> On 2011-09-02, at 20:14, Len Ingermanson <len438@...
> <mailto:len438%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>  > Sally,
>  > If all goes as planned, new familysearch is to be released to the public
>  > around the end of the year. Last year I taught a class at our family
>  > history fair about new.familysearch.org, and most of the attendees were
>  > non-members of the church. I explained that at the time being the program
>  > was only for members, but that it would eventually be released
> worldwide to
>  > everyone. I was asked by some of the non-member in the class if it
> would be
>  > beneficial for them. I told them that in the future they would be able to
>  > access the program and if they would like to stay in the class they were
>  > more than welcome. Because most of the class was made up of
> non-members, I
>  > geared my presentation to them. They enjoyed the class. As far as a short
>  > description, I would say something like this:
>  >
>  > "New.familysearch is a web-based program that allows one to search
> for and
>  > contribute information on one's ancestors. It contains information on
> about
>  > 1/2 billion individuals throughout the world. One begins by entering
>  > information about oneself and then has the capability to link
> ancestors to
>  > build a pedigree. Information on living individuals remains confidential
>  > and this data is very limited for view by others using the program.
>  > Information found in the program can be edited or corrected if errors are
>  > discovered. Sources for information entered can and should be provided to
>  > corroborate data. Contributors of information are encouraged to provide
>  > contact information about themselves. By providing this contact
>  > information, you are able to collaborate with other contributors and
> allows
>  > for a more accurate database. Eventually, new.familysearch will be rolled
>  > into familysearch.org and will be accessed through this one website."
>  > This is just a thought about the program, you could wordsmith it as you
>  > like.
>  >
>  > Len Ingermanson
>  >
>  >
>  > On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Sally <smilesonly@...
> <mailto:smilesonly%40shaw.ca>> wrote:
>  >
>  >> **
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> I was wondering if someone could help me describe in one short paragraph
>  >> what New Family Search is for a class descriptions that most that
> will be at
>  >> a genealogical seminar will be non members. Now this is not the Family
>  >> Search updated site this is for the actual nFS site. We do a
> genealogical
>  >> seminar every year and have about 30-35 classes and get about 350-400
>  >> patrons in attendance. About 75% are non members so I need to
> describe the
>  >> class in a way that they will understand that it is for members (without
>  >> actually stating LDS only!) The class descriptions are on the back
> of the
>  >> actual class schedule.
>  >>
>  >> Thanks
>  >>
>  >> Sally

I have stopped cleaning up the scrambled records and only make sure mine are
straight  The rest will take care of it's self when they bring their own
records with them.

Paul



________________________________
From: Rebecca Christensen <rchristen@...>
To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 7:40 AM
Subject: [FHCNET] Combining/Separating was Class title


 
It appears there was a glitch with Sue's message. 

It's not the combining that is time-consuming.  It is the separating that has
taken way more time.  Combining takes minutes in comparison to the hours it
takes cleaning up records that have been combined erroneously.  You would think
people would know that William, James, Richard, and John are different people
and not combine them (over and over again).  A little thought on the part of
the combiners would go a long way.  It's really frustrating to separate and
clean up the records time and time again.

Rebecca Christensen

--- On Fri, 9/2/11, Sue Barnsley <sbarnsley@...> wrote:

From: Sue Barnsley <sbarnsley@...>
Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Class title
To: "FHCNET@yahoogroups.com" <FHCNET@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, September 2, 2011, 9:40 PM

When this program is released to the non member community, are we expecting them
to waste countless hours combining as well?

Sent from Toro my iPhone

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Found a FamilySearch press release that indicates there is now an update to the
SSDI as of this week, has entries recorded through 7/31/11.
 
I have found there are some that don't know where this went in the updates to
the FamilySearch website for whatever reason, so here's the direct link on the
current version of the website.
 
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://hr-search-api:8080/se\
archapi/search/collection/1202535

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Paul,
  Can you explain what you mean in simple terms? Does scrambled records refer to
NFS? does mine are straight refer to your own personal data file? Who is going
to bring their records with them non members or our ancestors?
  Lynn

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Walworth
Sent: 09/03/11 09:45 AM
To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Combining/Separating was Class title

  I have stopped cleaning up the scrambled records and only make sure mine are
straight The rest will take care of it's self when they bring their own records
with them.

  Paul

  ________________________________
  From: Rebecca Christensen < rchristen%2540sbcglobal.net >
  To:  FHCNET%2540yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 7:40 AM
  Subject: [FHCNET] Combining/Separating was Class title


  It appears there was a glitch with Sue's message.

  It's not the combining that is time-consuming. It is the separating that has
taken way more time. Combining takes minutes in comparison to the hours it takes
cleaning up records that have been combined erroneously. You would think people
would know that William, James, Richard, and John are different people and not
combine them (over and over again). A little thought on the part of the
combiners would go a long way. It's really frustrating to separate and clean up
the records time and time again.

  Rebecca Christensen

  --- On Fri, 9/2/11, Sue Barnsley < sbarnsley%2540shaw.ca > wrote:

  From: Sue Barnsley < sbarnsley%2540shaw.ca >
  Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Class title
  To: " FHCNET%2540yahoogroups.com " < FHCNET%2540yahoogroups.com >
  Date: Friday, September 2, 2011, 9:40 PM

  When this program is released to the non member community, are we expecting
them to waste countless hours combining as well?

  Sent from Toro my iPhone

  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yes, I have gotten this message multiple times also.

Barbara L. Eades
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Leslie Vaughn
   To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:07 PM
   Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Class title



   Has anyone else gotten this message multiple times. I have gotten this message
17 times and they are still coming.

   Leslie Vaughn


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Do we all really need to know who got multiples or how many? Just click delete.
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "Barbara L. Eades" <wereades3733@...>
Sender: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 09:10:28
To: <FHCNET@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Class title

Yes, I have gotten this message multiple times also.

Barbara L. Eades
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Leslie Vaughn
   To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:07 PM
   Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Class title



   Has anyone else gotten this message multiple times. I have gotten this message
17 times and they are still coming.

   Leslie Vaughn


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



------------------------------------

or send blank email to FHCNET-subscribe@yahoogroupsYahoo! Groups Links

Sorry about that, my cell was stuck in a loop.

Sent from Toro my iPhone

On 2011-09-03, at 13:25, Gary Templeman <gtempleman1@...> wrote:

> Do we all really need to know who got multiples or how many? Just click
delete.
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Barbara L. Eades" <wereades3733@...>
> Sender: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 09:10:28
> To: <FHCNET@yahoogroups.com>
> Reply-To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Class title
>
> Yes, I have gotten this message multiple times also.
>
> Barbara L. Eades
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Leslie Vaughn
> To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Class title
>
>
>
> Has anyone else gotten this message multiple times. I have gotten this message
17 times and they are still coming.
>
> Leslie Vaughn
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> or send blank email to FHCNET-subscribe@yahoogroupsYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

be aware that www.rootsweb.com has an even more current update for the SSDI ...
for what it's worth


From: James W Anderson <genealogy248@...>
To: "fhcnet@yahoogroups.com" <fhcnet@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 9:50 AM
Subject: [FHCNET] SSDI updated through 7/31/11


 
Found a FamilySearch press release that indicates there is now an update to the
SSDI as of this week, has entries recorded through 7/31/11.
 
I have found there are some that don't know where this went in the updates to
the FamilySearch website for whatever reason, so here's the direct link on the
current version of the website.
 
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://hr-search-api:8080/se\
archapi/search/collection/1202535

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

That is correct, and I have heard the fastest updating version is the one on
World Vital Records.
They tend to get updates within days, if in a few cases not hours, from the time
the death is reported.



________________________________
From: DL Melville <dlmelville1999@...>
To: "FHCNET@yahoogroups.com" <FHCNET@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [FHCNET] SSDI updated through 7/31/11


 
be aware that www.rootsweb.com has an even more current update for the SSDI ...
for what it's worth

From: James W Anderson <genealogy248@...>
To: "fhcnet@yahoogroups.com" <fhcnet@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 9:50 AM
Subject: [FHCNET] SSDI updated through 7/31/11

 
Found a FamilySearch press release that indicates there is now an update to the
SSDI as of this week, has entries recorded through 7/31/11.
 
I have found there are some that don't know where this went in the updates to
the FamilySearch website for whatever reason, so here's the direct link on the
current version of the website.
 
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://hr-search-api:8080/se\
archapi/search/collection/1202535

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]