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One of the strong member families that I work with only has a Mac (OS X I
believe). Since the Church PAF is wildly out of date for the Macintosh is
there any other good (preferably free) programs available. Especially ones
that can easily work with PAF and store ordinance data easily?
  Melinda Layten


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I have heard Reunion is highly regarded. Only the demo is free however.

http://www.leisterpro.com/

Gary Templeman, Director
Corvallis Oregon FHC

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You might do a seach of Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter
http://www.eogn.com

I would, but the site isn't working for me at this moment.


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From: Melinda Layten <mlayten@...>
Date: Tue Aug 02 14:43:48 CDT 2005
To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FHCNET] PAF for Mac. - Alternatives?

One of the strong member families that I work with only has a Mac (OS X I
believe). Since the Church PAF is wildly out of date for the Macintosh is
there any other good (preferably free) programs available. Especially ones
that can easily work with PAF and store ordinance data easily?
  Melinda Layten


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Melinda,

One of my assistants in the our stake (Irvine CA stake) is a Mac/Apple
user and she is able to use PAF 5.2.  She uses a PC emulator program
that is for the Mac/Apple computers and is able to utilized all of the
features of PAF 5.2  I hope this helps you.

Jennifer
Irvine Stake Family History Director

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> believe). Since the Church PAF is wildly out of date for the Macintosh is
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What do you think would be the best thing about being 104 years old?
No peer pressure

I hadn't included that option, but it is certainly viable. The only caveat
is that (at least for our staff Mac user), it runs significantly slower that
on a PC. It is definitely worth testing to see if performance is acceptable.

Gary Templeman

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Melinda,

One of my assistants in the our stake (Irvine CA stake) is a Mac/Apple
user and she is able to use PAF 5.2.  She uses a PC emulator program
that is for the Mac/Apple computers and is able to utilized all of the
features of PAF 5.2  I hope this helps you.

Jennifer
Irvine Stake Family History Director

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> believe). Since the Church PAF is wildly out of date for the Macintosh is
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> that can easily work with PAF and store ordinance data easily?
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Reunion is the best program; it costs around $100. Getting a PC
emulator then using PAF is the other option, but that costs money as
well. The one from Windows (Virtual PC) costs around $200. There are
others available, different qualities at different prices, but then you
to have to buy Windows 2000 or XP, etc., for an operating system, so
you end up paying a bunch of money either way.

I've tried both options - Reunion and Virtual PC with PAF. Virtual PC
seems like a good idea, but it is never as fast or intuitive as a Mac
user expects. My suggestion is to go for Reunion. It's an excellent
program and very LDS friendly.  http://www.leisterpro.com/

Here's another choice - keep your Mac for everything else and find a
cheap PC laptop on ebay or someplace for the church programs such as
PAF and the cd databases. Perhaps the family history department of the
church will eventually realize that are a sizeable number of Mac users
among the membership and we would appreciate havings our Macs
supported. 8o)

Yours,

Venita Parry
Missionary
Family History Training Center
Provo, Utah

Utah South Area Family History Training Center
http://www.familyhistorytraining.org/

Homepage: Family History and Other Fascinations
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> One of the strong member families that I work with only has a Mac (OS
> X I
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> Macintosh is
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Might check out Cyndi's List - Software:
http://www.cyndislist.com/software.htm

While she doesn't have everything, its perhaps the best place to start.

In all my travels, the MAC users seem to rave about REUNIONS:
http://www.leisterpro.com/


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From: Melinda Layten <mlayten@...>
Date: Tue Aug 02 14:43:48 CDT 2005
To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FHCNET] PAF for Mac. - Alternatives?
One of the strong member families that I work with only has a Mac (OS X I
believe). Since the Church PAF is wildly out of date for the Macintosh is
there any other good (preferably free) programs available. Especially ones
that can easily work with PAF and store ordinance data easily? Melinda
Layten

delia rotolo wrote:

> Hi, I've just joined the group. I am the director of the Denham Springs,
Louisiana FHC. I've got lots to learn and hope to pick up good information here.
Thanks, Delia

Hein, Delia!

Welcome aboard.

Tell everyone in DS and EBR I said "Hi"!

Cheryl Singhal
(long) past BRGHS prez

I am new to the group.  I am Nancy Hugo and was recently called as the
Director of the Provo South Stake FHC.  I have been working in my ward
Relief Society for the past 5 years, but before that I served as the Asst.
Director.  I am excited about the new responsibility.  I am pleased that
before it was announced that I was the new director callings were also
extended to my Technical Services Co-ordinator, Patron Services
Co-ordinator, Training Co-ordinator and Secretary.  Starting with a full
staff will make a lot of things flow better.   I started to list my biggest
challenges.  But I guess that each of you has some of the same
challenges:  better trained staff, reaching those in our stake who speak
Spanish,  increasing the number of patrons etc. etc.    If you have found
one thing that has answered one of your challenges I would enjoy hearing
about it.
	 How do I make some changes without hurting feelings about how things were
done previously?  Because  there was nothing done incorrectly before, but I
do have some different approaches.  I want the staff on my side as I make
those changes.
	 I look forward to hearing from you.
	 Nancy Hugo

------------

Well if your MUST be a Mac user and you can install a PHP driver, you
can use PHPgedview on your computer.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpgedview/

I have a website that uses PHPgedview, and I know it will run on my
computer as well,

P.S. Don´t take me for a PC snob, I was the U.S. head of tech support
for their "pre-Imac" product.

On 8/3/05, Myrt <MYRT@...> wrote:
> Might check out Cyndi's List - Software:
> http://www.cyndislist.com/software.htm
>
> While she doesn't have everything, its perhaps the best place to start.
>
> In all my travels, the MAC users seem to rave about REUNIONS:
> http://www.leisterpro.com/
>
>
> =====================
> From: Melinda Layten <mlayten@...>
> Date: Tue Aug 02 14:43:48 CDT 2005
> To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FHCNET] PAF for Mac. - Alternatives?
> One of the strong member families that I work with only has a Mac (OS X I
> believe). Since the Church PAF is wildly out of date for the Macintosh is
> there any other good (preferably free) programs available. Especially ones
> that can easily work with PAF and store ordinance data easily? Melinda
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Melinda;

    Several years ago while I was on a call to someone in the PAF
Development team I took the occasion to enquire about a future version
for the Mac.  I did this because I was familiar with that version.  My
brother used it and I considered the father of two of the men who wrote
that program.  Even though I use the PC version of PAF now and have done
so since version 2 I am familiar with a number of the people who use the
Mac.  At that time I was a member of the Silicon Valley PAF Users Group,
in fact I was a founding member.  Furthermore, my brother and
sister-in-law headed the Macintosh group of what was then SVPAFUG.

    The response was that while the PAF Development Group is well aware
of the strong preferences that Macintosh users have, there were no plans
to produce another Mac version.  The major reason for this is that there
are very few Mac users.  I checked with the local Apple store and they
verified that the number of personal computer users using the Mac is
less than about 5%.  In addition, at that time the Church had not
recovered even the publication costs of the Mac version.  The Church
must justify the use of Tithing funds for all purposes and a Mac version
of PAF simply did not then have sufficient priority.

     If you wish to communicate privately, I can add some additional
information.

     Personally, I strongly recommend the use of the Windows emulator or
a cheap PC because this allows the use of PAF Insight which, in my
personal opinion, is the single best defense against duplicate
submissions which is a rampant problem.  I realize that Mac users will
not find this alternative a happy one as they then would be required to
learn another operating system, something which I also always dread. . .

    Richard L. Halliday


Melinda Layten wrote:

>One of the strong member families that I work with only has a Mac (OS X I
>believe). Since the Church PAF is wildly out of date for the Macintosh is
>there any other good (preferably free) programs available. Especially ones
>that can easily work with PAF and store ordinance data easily?
> Melinda Layten
>
>

-----Original Message-----
From: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FHCNET@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Travis Morris
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:47 AM
To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Correct entry of locality

Perhaps the book you are referring to is The Handybook for Genealogists
by The Everton Publishers, Inc. which shows the year that each county
was formed and what county it was formed from.  Or you may be
considering The Red Book.   We have three copies of The Handybook in our

FHC and find the invaluable.
Travis Morris
Cleburne, TX

T.Mason wrote:

>
>
> I used to have a book when I worked at Heritage Quest that showed
> county boundary changes by year.  I can't even remember the name of
it.
>
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> Terry Mason, Director
> FHC Clermont, FL
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Did a quick look in the archives.  Here's the list I came up with:

Reunion $99

PAF - What can I say?

HEREDIS (which includes a free standard version)  See a review at:
http://www.eogn.com/archives/news0342.htm#HEREDIS


GRAMPS http://gramps-project.org/ (A Linux program).  See review at:
http://eogn.typepad.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2005/03/gramps_for_linu.ht
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-----Original Message-----
From: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FHCNET@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Melinda Layten
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:44 AM
To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FHCNET] PAF for Mac. - Alternatives?

One of the strong member families that I work with only has a Mac (OS X I
believe). Since the Church PAF is wildly out of date for the Macintosh is
there any other good (preferably free) programs available. Especially ones
that can easily work with PAF and store ordinance data easily?
  Melinda Layten

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From: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FHCNET@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Patty Gaddis
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:01 PM
To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Film organization scheme

We just went through a reorganization of films in our center.

We file our short term films by patron name and use removable labels for

them which we cover the cost of.  Then we file our indefinite films by
film
number at the request of supposedly the majority of our patrons and
librarians.  But, now that we changed it that way, we've got people
complaining that they'd like it back by country as we had it before for
the
indefinite films.

You never please everyone, no matter how you do things.

We probably get in about 10-20 films a week on average.

Patty

At 10:56 PM 6/22/2005, you wrote:
>We are currently struggling with the expenses and administrative time
>required to file short-term films by patron last name.
>
>Here are some of our expenses:
>
>Toner
>Laser labels
>Printer maintenance
>
>Administrative time:
>
>Printing, placing, and removing labels before they are returned to SLC
>
>We recently stopped printing labels and started organizing them by
>film
>number.  A number of our high volume patrons are concerned to say the
>least as well as a couple of staff members.
>
>How does your center organize films?  Please respond directly to me
>off list.  If anyone is interested in the results, just let me know
>and I'll send you a summary of the responses.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Niedermeyer
>Bellingham, WA





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>>> Since the film can be used by anyone when it is in the center why
would
put a patrons name on it? <<<

If the patrons have access to IM or Inventory Viewer, they might find
the
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Most likely there will be someone who won't respond well to ANY changes, so
you will just have to accept that probability. But then maybe I am too
cynical. ;)

Communication with the staff is the best defense against problems with them.
Be open with them about your vision for the center and solicit suggestions
(with the proviso that as director you DO have the final say).

Pray like never before for guidance in your decisions. That way you can
always defend them.

It sounds like your center is off to a great start because you have good
help and a caring heart. I wish you the best.

  - Terri J.

PS. And maybe a little informal getting-to-know-you get together with the
staff wouldn't hurt and might butter them up (they're not monitoring this
list, are they? LOL)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FHCNET@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Nancy Hugo
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:01 PM
> To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com; chill432001@...;
> provo.chugo@...
> Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Digest Number 1317
>
>
> I am new to the group.  I am Nancy Hugo and was recently called as the
> Director of the Provo South Stake FHC.  I have been working in my ward
> Relief Society for the past 5 years, but before that I served as the Asst.
> Director.  I am excited about the new responsibility.  I am pleased that
> before it was announced that I was the new director callings were also
> extended to my Technical Services Co-ordinator, Patron Services
> Co-ordinator, Training Co-ordinator and Secretary.  Starting with a full
> staff will make a lot of things flow better.   I started to list my
> biggest
> challenges.  But I guess that each of you has some of the same
> challenges:  better trained staff, reaching those in our stake who speak
> Spanish,  increasing the number of patrons etc. etc.    If you have found
> one thing that has answered one of your challenges I would enjoy hearing
> about it.
>  How do I make some changes without hurting feelings about how things
> were
> done previously?  Because  there was nothing done incorrectly before, but
> I
> do have some different approaches.  I want the staff on my side as I make
> those changes.
>  I look forward to hearing from you.
>  Nancy Hugo
>

>  I checked with the local Apple store and they
>  verified that the number of personal computer users using the Mac is
>  less than about 5%. 

Hmmmmmm.... isn't that about the same percentage as church members
world wide to non members? Salting the earth? <big grin>

As I said before, I understand the reasoning of the IT department at
the general offices, and I agree with their choice. That's just one of
the realities of the world. And we Mac users are endeavoring to be
"good citizens in a PC world," to quote Steve Jobs.

Venita

Homepage: Family History and Other Fascinations
http://homepage.mac.com/venitar/home.html

On Aug 3, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Richard Halliday wrote:

> Melinda;
>
>     Several years ago while I was on a call to someone in the PAF
>  Development team I took the occasion to enquire about a future version
>  for the Mac.  I did this because I was familiar with that version.  My
>  brother used it and I considered the father of two of the men who
> wrote
>  that program.  Even though I use the PC version of PAF now and have
> done
>  so since version 2 I am familiar with a number of the people who use
> the
>  Mac.  At that time I was a member of the Silicon Valley PAF Users
> Group,
>  in fact I was a founding member.  Furthermore, my brother and
>  sister-in-law headed the Macintosh group of what was then SVPAFUG.
>
>     The response was that while the PAF Development Group is well aware
>  of the strong preferences that Macintosh users have, there were no
> plans
>  to produce another Mac version.  The major reason for this is that
> there
>  are very few Mac users.  I checked with the local Apple store and they
>  verified that the number of personal computer users using the Mac is
>  less than about 5%.  In addition, at that time the Church had not
>  recovered even the publication costs of the Mac version.  The Church
>  must justify the use of Tithing funds for all purposes and a Mac
> version
>  of PAF simply did not then have sufficient priority.
>
>      If you wish to communicate privately, I can add some additional
>  information.
>
>      Personally, I strongly recommend the use of the Windows emulator
> or
>  a cheap PC because this allows the use of PAF Insight which, in my
>  personal opinion, is the single best defense against duplicate
>  submissions which is a rampant problem.  I realize that Mac users will
>  not find this alternative a happy one as they then would be required
> to
>  learn another operating system, something which I also always dread.
> . .
>
>     Richard L. Halliday
>
>
>  Melinda Layten wrote:
>
>  >One of the strong member families that I work with only has a Mac
> (OS X I
>  >believe). Since the Church PAF is wildly out of date for the
> Macintosh is
>  >there any other good (preferably free) programs available.
> Especially ones
>  >that can easily work with PAF and store ordinance data easily?
>  > Melinda Layten
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Hi Nancy,

Congratulations on your new calling and welcome aboard!! Since you're
in the neighborhood, please allow me to recommend taking advantage of
the training offered at the Family History Training Center on 600 East
and 100 North in Provo. I believe it's the best training available to
anyone working in a family history center, or anyone involved in family
history research in any way, for that matter. Please visit the website
at
http://www.familyhistorytraining.org/ for more information.

Hope to see you there!

Yours,

Venita Parry
Missionary
Family History Training Center
Provo, Utah

Utah South Area Family History Training Center
http://www.familyhistorytraining.org/

Homepage: Family History and Other Fascinations
http://homepage.mac.com/venitar/home.html


On Aug 3, 2005, at 11:00 AM, Nancy Hugo wrote:

>
>  I am new to the group.  I am Nancy Hugo and was recently called as the
>  Director of the Provo South Stake FHC.  I have been working in my ward
>  Relief Society for the past 5 years, but before that I served as the
> Asst.
>  Director.  I am excited about the new responsibility.  I am pleased
> that
>  before it was announced that I was the new director callings were also
>  extended to my Technical Services Co-ordinator, Patron Services
>  Co-ordinator, Training Co-ordinator and Secretary.  Starting with a
> full
>  staff will make a lot of things flow better.   I started to list my
> biggest
>  challenges.  But I guess that each of you has some of the same
>  challenges:  better trained staff, reaching those in our stake who
> speak
>  Spanish,  increasing the number of patrons etc. etc.    If you have
> found
>  one thing that has answered one of your challenges I would enjoy
> hearing
>  about it.
>        How do I make some changes without hurting feelings about how
> things were
>  done previously?  Because  there was nothing done incorrectly before,
> but I
>  do have some different approaches.  I want the staff on my side as I
> make
>  those changes.
>        I look forward to hearing from you.
>        Nancy Hugo
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And if a patron has invested her/his money to get the film, I believe
that they are entitled to a little preferential treatment in h\where it
is located for the short-term trntal period. If others want it, they
can find it in the IM. Or they can shell out the $3.25 themselves to
get that particular film.

Ronert Vann

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>>> Since the film can be used by anyone when it is in the center why
would
put a patrons name on it? <<<

If the patrons have access to IM or Inventory Viewer, they might find
the
film as part of a normal search of films in the center.







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Remember that your children are not
yours alone. They are loaned to you
          by the Creator.

They should have preferential treatment in *usage*. IOW, when that person is
at the center and wants to view it, anyone else using it would have to take
a back seat.

Where it is stored and how the center chooses to label and inventory the
films is under the direction of the director. It is not up to the patron to
decide if their name goes on it or not, or what drawer it gets filed in.

Gary Templeman

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Subject: RE: Re: [FHCNET] Film organization scheme


> And if a patron has invested her/his money to get the film, I believe
> that they are entitled to a little preferential treatment in h\where it
> is located for the short-term trntal period. If others want it, they
> can find it in the IM. Or they can shell out the $3.25 themselves to
> get that particular film.
>
> Ronert Vann
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> >>> Since the film can be used by anyone when it is in the center why
> would
> put a patrons name on it? <<<
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> If the patrons have access to IM or Inventory Viewer, they might find
> the
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I think an important thing is to understand how things work now and then
solicit input into making changes.  You may find that there are reasons that
things are being done that way, probably born of past problems.  Making
changes without being aware of that could cause history to repeat itself.

That's not say that things can't be improved, but you do need to be aware
and answer any concerns about situations that might arise.


-----Original Message-----
On Aug 3, 2005, at 11:00 AM, Nancy Hugo wrote:

>
>  I am new to the group.  I am Nancy Hugo and was recently called as the
>  Director of the Provo South Stake FHC.  I have been working in my ward
>  Relief Society for the past 5 years, but before that I served as the
> Asst.
>  Director.  I am excited about the new responsibility.  I am pleased
> that
>  before it was announced that I was the new director callings were also
>  extended to my Technical Services Co-ordinator, Patron Services
>  Co-ordinator, Training Co-ordinator and Secretary.  Starting with a
> full
>  staff will make a lot of things flow better.   I started to list my
> biggest
>  challenges.  But I guess that each of you has some of the same
>  challenges:  better trained staff, reaching those in our stake who
> speak
>  Spanish,  increasing the number of patrons etc. etc.    If you have
> found
>  one thing that has answered one of your challenges I would enjoy
> hearing
>  about it.
>        How do I make some changes without hurting feelings about how
> things were
>  done previously?  Because  there was nothing done incorrectly before,
> but I
>  do have some different approaches.  I want the staff on my side as I
> make
>  those changes.
>        I look forward to hearing from you.
>        Nancy Hugo
>
>  ------------
>
>
>
>

Hold on a second. When a patron orders a film and pays the
renting/shipping fee (even for extended loan) the film does not belong
to them. It doesn't even belong to the center. That fee is just to
cover the costs. The film belongs to the church and they can recall it
at any time. The extended films are just that, on extended loan. The
director/staff of the center can organize it any way that seems
appropriate and efficient. I think we need to remind the patrons when
they order film that it is not their's to decided how it is used or
organized.
This is also the reason that when a person moves they can not take the
film they ordered for extended loan, to the new area they moved to. It
stays in the original center.
At the BYU Gen. & FH Conference that was held last week it was pointed
out, at the Family History Center Support classes that films are not
to be moved from one center to another. Period.
That is the policy. The church has agreements with those who give
permission for records to be filmed that they film stays in the
centers and is not out of their control. If films are moved from one
center to another the church loses control of where they are at.



> Message: 14
>    Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:01:27 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: Winter Owl <rhvann@...>
> Subject: RE: Re: Film organization scheme
>
> And if a patron has invested her/his money to get the film, I believe
> that they are entitled to a little preferential treatment in h\where it
> is located for the short-term trntal period. If others want it, they
> can find it in the IM. Or they can shell out the $3.25 themselves to
> get that particular film.
>
> Ronert Vann
>
> --- subraider <subraider@...> wrote:
>
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JaAnna Nelson, Director
SL Granger West Stake FHC

Have a nice day!

On 4 Aug 2005 at 9:01, JaAnna Nelson wrote:

> I think we need to remind the patrons when
> they order film that it is not their's to decided how it is used or
> organized.

So does this mean that when Jane Doe orders a film, pays the
rental fee, gets the notification that the film is in the FHC, goes over
to the FHC to view it, but cannot because Joe Blow came in off the
street and paid nothing, and is looking at the film she ordered?

Joan Raney
raneyj@...
I'm trying to cut back.  Now I only do genealogy
on days that end with a "Y."

Just my two cents worth, but why would any patron have access to the IM.  That
is the job for a staff member, not a patron.

Leta in CA

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Subject: RE: Re: [FHCNET] Film organization scheme

>>> Since the film can be used by anyone when it is in the center why
would
put a patrons name on it? <<<

If the patrons have access to IM or Inventory Viewer, they might find
the
film as part of a normal search of films in the center.







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If it were the same 5%, you might have a chance. (g)

Cheryl

Venita Roylance wrote:

>> I checked with the local Apple store and they
>> verified that the number of personal computer users using the Mac is
>> less than about 5%.
>
>
> Hmmmmmm.... isn't that about the same percentage as church members
> world wide to non members? Salting the earth? <big grin>
>
> As I said before, I understand the reasoning of the IT department at
> the general offices, and I agree with their choice. That's just one of
> the realities of the world. And we Mac users are endeavoring to be
> "good citizens in a PC world," to quote Steve Jobs.
>
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> On Aug 3, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Richard Halliday wrote:
>
>
>>Melinda;
>>
>>    Several years ago while I was on a call to someone in the PAF
>> Development team I took the occasion to enquire about a future version
>> for the Mac.  I did this because I was familiar with that version.  My
>> brother used it and I considered the father of two of the men who
>>wrote
>> that program.  Even though I use the PC version of PAF now and have
>>done
>> so since version 2 I am familiar with a number of the people who use
>>the
>> Mac.  At that time I was a member of the Silicon Valley PAF Users
>>Group,
>> in fact I was a founding member.  Furthermore, my brother and
>> sister-in-law headed the Macintosh group of what was then SVPAFUG.
>>
>>    The response was that while the PAF Development Group is well aware
>> of the strong preferences that Macintosh users have, there were no
>>plans
>> to produce another Mac version.  The major reason for this is that
>>there
>> are very few Mac users.  I checked with the local Apple store and they
>> verified that the number of personal computer users using the Mac is
>> less than about 5%.  In addition, at that time the Church had not
>> recovered even the publication costs of the Mac version.  The Church
>> must justify the use of Tithing funds for all purposes and a Mac
>>version
>> of PAF simply did not then have sufficient priority.
>>
>>     If you wish to communicate privately, I can add some additional
>> information.
>>
>>     Personally, I strongly recommend the use of the Windows emulator
>>or
>> a cheap PC because this allows the use of PAF Insight which, in my
>> personal opinion, is the single best defense against duplicate
>> submissions which is a rampant problem.  I realize that Mac users will
>> not find this alternative a happy one as they then would be required
>>to
>> learn another operating system, something which I also always dread.
>>. .
>>
>>    Richard L. Halliday
>>
>>
>> Melinda Layten wrote:
>>
>> >One of the strong member families that I work with only has a Mac
>>(OS X I
>> >believe). Since the Church PAF is wildly out of date for the
>>Macintosh is
>> >there any other good (preferably free) programs available.
>>Especially ones
>> >that can easily work with PAF and store ordinance data easily?
>> > Melinda Layten

Joan Raney wrote:

> On 4 Aug 2005 at 9:01, JaAnna Nelson wrote:
>
>
>>I think we need to remind the patrons when
>>they order film that it is not their's to decided how it is used or
>>organized.
>
>
> So does this mean that when Jane Doe orders a film, pays the
> rental fee, gets the notification that the film is in the FHC, goes over
> to the FHC to view it, but cannot because Joe Blow came in off the
> street and paid nothing, and is looking at the film she ordered?


No, it means that Jane gets dibs on the films she pays for, but she
doesn't get to tell staff how or where to file them.  If Joe is reading
Jane's film and Jane wants it, Joe's Sure Outta Luck and he is expected
to be gracious about it.

Neither one of 'em gets to tell the director how to file the film though.

Cheryl

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> On 4 Aug 2005 at 9:01, JaAnna Nelson wrote:
>
> > I think we need to remind the patrons when
> > they order film that it is not their's to decided how it is used or
> > organized.
>
> So does this mean that when Jane Doe orders a film, pays the
> rental fee, gets the notification that the film is in the FHC, goes over
> to the FHC to view it, but cannot because Joe Blow came in off the
> street and paid nothing, and is looking at the film she ordered?
>
> Joan Raney
> raneyj@...
> I'm trying to cut back. Now I only do genealogy
> on days that end with a "Y."


I cannot believe JaAnna or anyone else would be saying that Jane Doe should wait
for Joe, and I have a hard time believing there are very many patrons who would
be so rude as to refuse to let the person who ordered a particular film have
priority for reading it. Even if they did, it should be the center's policy to
give reading priority to the person who ordered it, and it is the center who
should enforce the policy if the need arises.

The point is that the patrons do not own the films and cannot set the policies
for the center. While Jane certainly would have moral justification to ask Joe
to step aside, she does not have legal authority to force him to comply. The
center has both moral and legal authority, to the point of suspending his
privileges if he does not want to follow the rules.

We really do not need to over-analyze this. Film rentals are subject to certain
terms and conditions (like not removing them off-site). The center, acting as
agent for the library, retains ultimate control over how the films are stored,
labeled, and used during their stay at the center.

Gary Templeman, Director
Corvallis Oregon FHC

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Patrons are *supposed* to be able to access IM. The program has a specific
patron login just for that purpose. The intent is for them to be able to check
on their own films, see what is already in the center inventory, etc. The Patron
login does not have access to ordering, check-in and other functions, which are
the jobs for the staff.

The biggest problem is that the interface is clunky. A better alternative IMO is
the IMViewer program at www.fhctech.org

Gary Templeman, Director
Corvallis Oregon FHC

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> Just my two cents worth, but why would any patron have access to the IM. That
> is the job for a staff member, not a patron.
>
> Leta in CA
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