Hey,

What if I haven't updated my profile since 1997 and I no longer remember my
password?

>---Broomstick---
Griffith, Indiana

--- In FLY-UL@y..., Beesticker@a... wrote:
> Hey,
>
> What if I haven't updated my profile since 1997 and I no longer
remember my
> password?
>
> >---Broomstick---
> Griffith, Indiana

That is a natural thing that happens as some people get "older" :-)
triplek45

--- In FLY-UL@y..., "triplek45" <kirkland@a...> wrote:
> --- In FLY-UL@y..., Beesticker@a... wrote:
> > Hey,
> >
> > What if I haven't updated my profile since 1997 and I no longer
> remember my
> > password?
> >
> > >---Broomstick---
> > Griffith, Indiana
>
> That is a natural thing that happens as some people get "older" :-)
> triplek45

Yeah, I think you may be right - isn't the progression something
like:

Sometimers
Parttimers
Oldtimers
Alzhimers

Let's see, seems like there was something else in there, but I can't
remember either.

Jim C

>> --- In FLY-UL@y..., Beesticker@a... wrote:
>> > Hey,
>> >
>> > What if I haven't updated my profile since 1997 and I no longer
>> remember my
>> > password?
>> >
>> > >---Broomstick---
>> > Griffith, Indiana


>>
>> Don't know ...There dosen't seem to be something there to jog your memory
                                   Dave R

Bee and others,

If you go to this URL http://login.yahoo.com/ and check toward the
bottom of the box labeled "Existing Yahoo! users" you will see a link
titled "Password Lookup".  Depending on the information you can provide,
you will either get your current password or you will be given a new
password.  You can change your password after you sign in.

I believe this option is available on all initial Yahoo! sign in
screens, but didn't verify all of them.

Hope this helps.

Gary

Beesticker@... wrote:
>
> Hey,
>
> What if I haven't updated my profile since 1997 and I no longer remember my
> password?
>
> >---Broomstick---
> Griffith, Indiana
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

At 01:49 AM 11/29/2002 +0000, Bill Czygan allegedly wrote:
>I notice that the local electronics wholesaler as the ETREX GPS for
>$89.00. If in the future I fly around my area (MXII) or go to fly-
>ins or in the distant future try some competitions would this be a
>good choice? PS - I could also use it for driving and camping (2
>tracking) and hiking.
>
>Bill Czygan


Yes - you can't get more bang for the buck than the eTrex.  That's what we used
for tracking at Nationals.  Given that you're building a Quicksilver and don't
live in the shadow of ground zero or some other place with piles of airspaces,
the eTrex is all you will ever need.  If you were going to be flying something
with some legs, it might make more sense to have a database on board.

However, by the time you get your plane in the air, there will be even better
units for even less.  My advice?  Put your money into getting the plane done
better and sooner.  That GPS won't do you a bit of good (well, not much...you've
been using roadmaps in your car your whole life more or less successfully) until
you get your plane.  And even for the first year after you have your plane, it
frankly won't help you much.  You'll spend your first 50 hours within 50 miles
of the field anyway.

But, if you gotta get one for the Christmas shopping season, get the eTrex.

-dave



--
David Hempy
Internet Database Administrator
Kentucky Educational Television
(859)258-7164  -  (800)333-9764



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

LAT 25.912333  LONG -80.119667 NUDE BEACH
Punch it into your GPS Richie!

Been quite a while since I have flown over it.  Down in Miami. The only
problem is that they should outlaw some people from being nude.  Others they
should make mandatory.

Some of the best scenery though has just been flying along the coast.  Have
had nice mountains come into view many times just flying along the public
beaches.  Even was surprised one day when I overflew a swamp boat out in the
Everglades one time. 3 Nice open mountains ranges right out there sunning
themselves.

On 05:11 AM 12/1/2002 -0500, Beesticker@... wrote:

>What if I haven't updated my profile since 1997 and I no longer remember my
>password?


Contact Jon Steiger (his e-mail address should be somewhere on those
webpages), and he'll take care of it for you.

http://www.twistedbits.net/WWWProfile/fly-ul/


--
Bob Comperini
USUA AFI #A16560
e-mail: robertc@...
http://www.fly-ul.com

Hey, Richie, I can also send you the coordinates for the little nude
sunbathing area near here.  Probably won't do you any good until next
June, though.

Charlie

--- In FLY-UL@y..., "Andrew McClary" <andrew@g...> wrote:
> LAT 25.912333  LONG -80.119667 NUDE BEACH
> Punch it into your GPS Richie!
>
> Been quite a while since I have flown over it.  Down in Miami. The
only
> problem is that they should outlaw some people from being nude.
Others they
> should make mandatory.
>
> Some of the best scenery though has just been flying along the
coast.  Have
> had nice mountains come into view many times just flying along the
public
> beaches.  Even was surprised one day when I overflew a swamp boat
out in the
> Everglades one time. 3 Nice open mountains ranges right out there
sunning
> themselves.

It is called Haul Over Beach. It is just south of Sunny Isles in
North Miami Beach.
JB

--- In FLY-UL@y..., "Andrew McClary" <andrew@g...> wrote:
> LAT 25.912333  LONG -80.119667 NUDE BEACH
> Punch it into your GPS Richie!
>
> Been quite a while since I have flown over it.  Down in Miami. The
only
> problem is that they should outlaw some people from being nude.
Others they
> should make mandatory.
>
> Some of the best scenery though has just been flying along the
coast.  Have
> had nice mountains come into view many times just flying along the
public
> beaches.  Even was surprised one day when I overflew a swamp boat
out in the
> Everglades one time. 3 Nice open mountains ranges right out there
sunning
> themselves.

Hey Bubble Butt,

There is a Nudist/Swingers resort in the N. Georgia mountains.  I
don't have the coordinates, but.....if you'll call my wife and tell
her you've invited me on a "fishing" trip, maybe we could sneak up
some weekend and record the coordinates.  If were lucky, we may even
come home smelling like "fish".

Short Shaft ;)


"charlie" wrote:
> Hey, Richie, I can also send you the coordinates for the little
nude sunbathing area near here.  Probably won't do you any good until
next June, though.

Sounds like Jerry has been to north beach and old Charlie--he doesn't get on
that bike just to take in the country side I bet.   Short Shaft, just better
stick to real fishing. hate to see you lose that boat, home, airplane.
   Me,  I just like to look at nude beaches. I prefer some one on one, two,
three and even four in the privacy of my hot tub---
     AIRPLANES--
   Any of you good old boys ever build a plane and after your almost finished
slap yourself on the head and think--why in hell did I do it that way.
   this beaver has the 5 gallon football looking strut tanks on it under the
jury struts, it has the round tube struts. I ordered the streamline plastic
struts to go over the round one. I had to cut and notch around the jury
struts to fit the streamline ones. after I had them fit they would move and
twist so I decided to get a foam can and shoot it down the inside of the
streamlines and wait for it to set.  worked great, now they don't move and
are set right where they should be. last night I was installing the fuel
tanks and it hit me---why in hell didn't I run a metal fuel line inside the
streamline struts, would be out of the way and hidden. tomorrow I will take
the struts loose and run a long tube of some kind down the inside of the
trailing edge and try to push a hole throught the harden foam to get that
line in there.   just goes to show you think before you do----Richie
----- Original Message -----
From: "chadhilbert" <jc.hilbert@...>
To: <FLY-UL@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 9:17 PM
Subject: UL: Re: RE:GPS


> Hey Bubble Butt,
>
> There is a Nudist/Swingers resort in the N. Georgia mountains.  I
> don't have the coordinates, but.....if you'll call my wife and tell
> her you've invited me on a "fishing" trip, maybe we could sneak up
> some weekend and record the coordinates.  If were lucky, we may even
> come home smelling like "fish".
>
> Short Shaft ;)
>
>
> "charlie" wrote:
> > Hey, Richie, I can also send you the coordinates for the little
> nude sunbathing area near here.  Probably won't do you any good until
> next June, though.
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

Ken and List,

Thanks for the input. I did the diagnosis yesterday. The problem is in fact
the regulator. I had no trouble at all measuring the output of the lighting
coils (Well after asking my local club tech advisor who lives on the airport
which wires were the lighting coil output :-) ). A VOM between the yellow
and yellow/black output wires yielded 25 volts AC at idle and jumped up to
about 40 volts at 4000 RPM. Basically nothing coming from the regulator to
the battery.

New Key West on order. Should have my electric start working by next
weekend.

Still flies just fine though. Did about 2 hours of playing. Formation flying
with a buddy in a Hyperlite, then some more with a Hurricane. Just a little
nippy with the right side doors still off. I'll hafta put them doors back on
after the competition next Saturday.

Anyone in the DFW vicinity are still invited to the Art Lombas / Sam Cox
memorial fly-in next Saturday at 16XS Propwash, in Justin Texas.

George

Just got my planes  (Crapella Jav. II's) outta the paint shop & am helping
my intended vict...... errr..... test pilot to psych himself up for the
first flights- later this week, if the weather agrees.

He's got a Pitts Special for his sins & says that low tire pressure is
all-important to a smooth controlled landing in a tail-dragger. The lower
the better, within reason. Says it keeps the plane stable & much easier to
control on landing. The Pitts comes in at a terrific speed of course.....
something like 65 knots.....

Seeing as the list is back to bitchy two-liners again, I just kinda figured
this question might raise a few comments & I might learn a thing or
two.......?

BTW- this guy is totally against crow hops and high speed taxiing. Reckons
the sooner you get off the ground the better, and the higher the safer when
you're playing test vict....... err.... pilot. Says you can figure out how
to land when the time comes. Sounds sensible, and totally contrary to the
official advice given in the Crapella ops. manual available at
www.capellakitplanes.com  (if it's still there).

rgds from a slightly battered Kenya;

elk




--------------------------
Elsen L. Karstad
elk@...
www.chardust.com
Nairobi Kenya

How low of tire pressure is he talking about, 4--8--10--20.   the Pitts
monster next door has around 30 and he has no problem, I'll ask him this
afternoon and get back to you. are you going to be landing on grass or
paved, I'll ask the guy that flys the cub also. what size are the
tires?---------------Richie
----- Original Message -----
From: "elk" <elk@...>
To: <FLY-UL@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 3:01 AM
Subject: UL: Tire pressure


> Just got my planes  (Crapella Jav. II's) outta the paint shop & am helping
> my intended vict...... errr..... test pilot to psych himself up for the
> first flights- later this week, if the weather agrees.
>
> He's got a Pitts Special for his sins & says that low tire pressure is
> all-important to a smooth controlled landing in a tail-dragger. The lower
> the better, within reason. Says it keeps the plane stable & much easier to
> control on landing. The Pitts comes in at a terrific speed of course.....
> something like 65 knots.....
>
> Seeing as the list is back to bitchy two-liners again, I just kinda
figured
> this question might raise a few comments & I might learn a thing or
> two.......?
>
> BTW- this guy is totally against crow hops and high speed taxiing. Reckons
> the sooner you get off the ground the better, and the higher the safer
when
> you're playing test vict....... err.... pilot. Says you can figure out how
> to land when the time comes. Sounds sensible, and totally contrary to the
> official advice given in the Crapella ops. manual available at
> www.capellakitplanes.com  (if it's still there).
>
> rgds from a slightly battered Kenya;
>
> elk
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------
> Elsen L. Karstad
> elk@...
> www.chardust.com
> Nairobi Kenya
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

I know this will open a can of worms but here we go....I am
researching engines know and wondering folks views on these different
manufactures. I know Hirth had problems in the PAST but is anyone
running their new stuff? I am planning to build a "Hawk Arrow 2". Any
info would be great.

Thanks,

Horse

rastavt wrote:
>
> I know this will open a can of worms but here we go....I am
> researching engines know and wondering folks views on these different
> manufactures. I know Hirth had problems in the PAST but is anyone
> running their new stuff? I am planning to build a "Hawk Arrow 2". Any
> info would be great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Horse

While you may or may not have good luck with the Hirth, the 2SI has no
factory support or testing whatsoever.

And for retail sale at some later date, your only engine choice should
be rotax.

Potential buyers will not take to your hirth at all,,,,,,,,,,,,,

and they may want to deduct the cost of installing one from your asking
price,,,,

and I'm not sure chuck offers the hirth anymore,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

--


Mark Smith
Tri-State Kite Sales           http://www.trikite.com
1121 N Locust St
Mt Vernon, IN 47620          mailto:mark@...
1-812-838-6351

Unreal. I joined the SkyStar group to find info on the "Lite".
A "gentleman" attacked me because he did not like the fact I am not
using my full name,couldn't find my email, and I refused to give him
my address. Question is, why does he need this and what his
motivations are. We warn children of the dangers of the internet yet
I am suppose to throw my arms wide open for him because we may own
the same plane?

To make matters worse "Rory" threw me off the group because I would
not give him my full name. Why are you so worried where I live? The
only people who dig so deep on the internet are child molesters. So
Rory that your gig?

From: "rastavt" <horsethang@


> Unreal. I joined the SkyStar group to find info on the "Lite".
> A "gentleman" attacked me because he did not like the fact I am not
> using my full name,couldn't find my email, and I refused to give him
> my address. Question is, why does he need this and what his
> motivations are. We warn children of the dangers of the internet yet
> I am suppose to throw my arms wide open for him because we may own
> the same plane?
>
> To make matters worse "Rory" threw me off the group because I would
> not give him my full name. Why are you so worried where I live? The
> only people who dig so deep on the internet are child molesters. So
> Rory that your gig?

You were kicked because of your attitude.  Troublemakers aren't tolerated on
that group.

Rory

--- Please show me where I made trouble. You can also include the
post from other members asking why I was being attacked and why you
needed the info...

--- I am not trying to cause trouble but people should know about
this guy. Whatever his reasons I doubt they are honorable. Have you
as a moderator, or poster ever demanded someone do so? Have you seen
it done? So what is going on.

I, as others, have a family to protect and if someone is acting
strange it's my duty to perk peoples interest. I am told that I wont
be allowed to ask questions if I don't give out my personal info to
him?

If it smells like fish, it is fish.

--- In FLY-UL@y..., "elk" <elk@w...> wrote:
> Just got my planes  (Crapella Jav. II's) outta the paint shop & am
helping
> my intended vict...... errr..... test pilot to psych himself up for
the
> first flights- later this week, if the weather agrees.
>
> He's got a Pitts Special for his sins & says that low tire pressure
is
> all-important to a smooth controlled landing in a tail-dragger. The
lower
> the better, within reason. Says it keeps the plane stable & much
easier to
> control on landing. The Pitts comes in at a terrific speed of
course.....
> something like 65 knots.....
>
> Seeing as the list is back to bitchy two-liners again, I just kinda
figured
> this question might raise a few comments & I might learn a thing or
> two.......?
>
> BTW- this guy is totally against crow hops and high speed taxiing.
Reckons
> the sooner you get off the ground the better, and the higher the
safer when
> you're playing test vict....... err.... pilot. Says you can figure
out how
> to land when the time comes. Sounds sensible, and totally contrary
to the
> official advice given in the Crapella ops. manual available at
> www.capellakitplanes.com  (if it's still there).
>
> rgds from a slightly battered Kenya;
>
> elk
>

The test vict.. err.. pilot's thinking, seems reasonable to me.
I'll qualify my opinion by saying it's worth nearly as much as you're
paying.

My only experience in taildraggers is in Moyes Bailey Dragonflys,
an ultralight type air tug. I prefer just enough air in the tires
so that the side walls are squishing out moderataly at take off
weight. This effectively dampens the suspension a bit for landing.
A grass field is also the best way to go.

On the question of crow hops versus flying away, my opinion may be
worth even less, but I agree with your test pilot.
I can see the advantage of getting away from the ground to sort out
the flying characteristics. If it feels right in acceleration, where
the tail lifts off appropriately and the nose points down the runway,
I would elect to lift off and get some altitude.

Good luck with your new plane.
Warren

From: "rastavt" <horsethang


> --- Please show me where I made trouble. You can also include the
> post from other members asking why I was being attacked and why you
> needed the info...

Do you really expect me to justify myself to you after your insinuation that
I'm a child molester?

This kind of attitude is exactly why you were kicked from the kitfox lite
list. You need to learn some netiquette.

Rory

Rory,

He just asked a question.  It was everyone else that jumped down his throat.
Sort of like Socrates I guess.  The question is more powerful than an answer
a guess.

Tom Olenik
Olenik Aviation
http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
  -----Original Message-----
From: Rory Davis [mailto:n7cr@...]
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 9:42 AM
To: FLY-UL@yahoogroups.com
Subject: UL: Re: SkyStar Group


   From: "rastavt" <horsethang@


   > Unreal. I joined the SkyStar group to find info on the "Lite".
   > A "gentleman" attacked me because he did not like the fact I am not
   > using my full name,couldn't find my email, and I refused to give him
   > my address. Question is, why does he need this and what his
   > motivations are. We warn children of the dangers of the internet yet
   > I am suppose to throw my arms wide open for him because we may own
   > the same plane?
   >
   > To make matters worse "Rory" threw me off the group because I would
   > not give him my full name. Why are you so worried where I live? The
   > only people who dig so deep on the internet are child molesters. So
   > Rory that your gig?

   You were kicked because of your attitude.  Troublemakers aren't tolerated
on
   that group.

   Rory



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George
   Let us know if the regulator fixes your problem.
   I think I had something close to 90 volts AC at the regulator at that
high of RPM
                                  Dave R

:
>Ken and List,
>
>Thanks for the input. I did the diagnosis yesterday. The problem is in fact
>the regulator. I had no trouble at all measuring the output of the lighting
>coils (Well after asking my local club tech advisor who lives on the airport
>which wires were the lighting coil output :-) ). A VOM between the yellow
>and yellow/black output wires yielded 25 volts AC at idle and jumped up to
>about 40 volts at 4000 RPM. Basically nothing coming from the regulator to
>the battery.
>
>New Key West on order. Should have my electric start working by next
>weekend.
>
>Still flies just fine though. Did about 2 hours of playing. Formation flying
>with a buddy in a Hyperlite, then some more with a Hurricane. Just a little
>nippy with the right side doors still off. I'll hafta put them doors back on
>after the competition next Saturday.
>
>Anyone in the DFW vicinity are still invited to the Art Lombas / Sam Cox
>memorial fly-in next Saturday at 16XS Propwash, in Justin Texas.
>
>George
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

> If it smells like fish, it is fish.>>>

That Mike M, he shows up in the Darndest places.........



> --- I am not trying to cause trouble but people should know about
> this guy. Whatever his reasons I doubt they are honorable. Have you
> as a moderator, or poster ever demanded someone do so? Have you seen
> it done? So what is going on.
>
> I, as others, have a family to protect and if someone is acting
> strange it's my duty to perk peoples interest. I am told that I wont
> be allowed to ask questions if I don't give out my personal info to
> him?
>
> If it smells like fish, it is fish.


---------------------------------------------
This message was sent using Lou-telecom Web Mail.

One comment on low pressure in tires........Don't depend on that to make a
smooth landing ,learn to do it right  with hard tires. I saw a guy kept low
pressure one time and he had to land on remaining runway after a engine out
on take off, he always ran low pressure for that reason,and when he turned
hard because of running out of runway he rolled the tire off the rim when
he turned and ,did some damage that might not have occurred.
                       Dave R


>How low of tire pressure is he talking about, 4--8--10--20.   the Pitts
>monster next door has around 30 and he has no problem, I'll ask him this
>afternoon and get back to you. are you going to be landing on grass or
>paved, I'll ask the guy that flys the cub also. what size are the
>tires?---------------Richie
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "elk" <elk@...>
>To: <FLY-UL@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 3:01 AM
>Subject: UL: Tire pressure
>
>
>> Just got my planes  (Crapella Jav. II's) outta the paint shop & am helping
>> my intended vict...... errr..... test pilot to psych himself up for the
>> first flights- later this week, if the weather agrees.
>>
>> He's got a Pitts Special for his sins & says that low tire pressure is
>> all-important to a smooth controlled landing in a tail-dragger. The lower
>> the better, within reason. Says it keeps the plane stable & much easier to
>> control on landing. The Pitts comes in at a terrific speed of course.....
>> something like 65 knots.....
>>
>> Seeing as the list is back to bitchy two-liners again, I just kinda
>figured
>> this question might raise a few comments & I might learn a thing or
>> two.......?
>>
>> BTW- this guy is totally against crow hops and high speed taxiing. Reckons
>> the sooner you get off the ground the better, and the higher the safer
>when
>> you're playing test vict....... err.... pilot. Says you can figure out how
>> to land when the time comes. Sounds sensible, and totally contrary to the
>> official advice given in the Crapella ops. manual available at
>> www.capellakitplanes.com  (if it's still there).
>>
>> rgds from a slightly battered Kenya;
>>
>> elk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------
>> Elsen L. Karstad
>> elk@...
>> www.chardust.com
>> Nairobi Kenya
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

elk wrote:
>
> Just got my planes  (Crapella Jav. II's) outta the paint shop & am helping
> my intended vict...... errr..... test pilot to psych himself up for the
> first flights- later this week, if the weather agrees.
>
> He's got a Pitts Special for his sins & says that low tire pressure is
> all-important to a smooth controlled landing in a tail-dragger. The lower
> the better, within reason. Says it keeps the plane stable & much easier to
> control on landing. The Pitts comes in at a terrific speed of course.....
> something like 65 knots.....
>
> Seeing as the list is back to bitchy two-liners again, I just kinda figured
> this question might raise a few comments & I might learn a thing or
> two.......?
>
> BTW- this guy is totally against crow hops and high speed taxiing. Reckons
> the sooner you get off the ground the better, and the higher the safer when
> you're playing test vict....... err.... pilot. Says you can figure out how
> to land when the time comes. Sounds sensible, and totally contrary to the
> official advice given in the Crapella ops. manual available at
> www.capellakitplanes.com  (if it's still there).
>
> rgds from a slightly battered Kenya;
>
> elk


Low tire pressure does help absorb some of the "bounce" of landing, but
be careful not to get too low. It ain't a REALLY big issue on dirt or
grass runways, but asphalt has a lot more grip on the rubber. You'll
pull the valve stems right out of the tubes when the wheel slips on the
rim.

As for crow hops and high speed taxiing, I can tell you that the factory
boys only do that on a new design just to test whether the aircraft is
gonna handle as expected. This is done only on first article test
flights. Once the design is proven subsequent first flights are done up
in the air where there ain't so many things to bump into.
At least that's the way they do it at the airplane factories I've worked
at. YMMV

Congrats on finishing up the birds, good luck on the first flights :)

Rick P.

As you have discovered, most email lists are run by
dictators...including this one.  It's just that Bob is a more
benevolent dictator!!

Charlie


--- In FLY-UL@y..., "rastavt" <horsethang@a...> wrote:
> --- I am not trying to cause trouble but people should know about
> this guy. Whatever his reasons I doubt they are honorable. Have you
> as a moderator, or poster ever demanded someone do so? Have you
seen
> it done? So what is going on.
>
> I, as others, have a family to protect and if someone is acting
> strange it's my duty to perk peoples interest. I am told that I
wont
> be allowed to ask questions if I don't give out my personal info to
> him?
>
> If it smells like fish, it is fish.

rastavt wrote:
>
> I know this will open a can of worms but here we go....I am
> researching engines know and wondering folks views on these different
> manufactures. I know Hirth had problems in the PAST but is anyone
> running their new stuff? I am planning to build a "Hawk Arrow 2". Any
> info would be great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Horse

Horse,

If you don't wanna be dead, I'd suggest shying away from Hirth and 2si
and go with Rotax.

Signed,
Not one to whip dead horses.
...and that "dead" comment regarding Hirth pilots isn't facetious. (Just
ask Halsmer descendants)