... if you look only at information output, and information output happens to be all we want from a computer, then there is no difference and similarly there...
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Bruno Marchal
marchal@...
May 24, 2012 7:24 pm
... I agree with Brett. Consciousness cannot be a false idea (of the conscious person) in the sense that if you are conscious you cannot be deluded on this,...
24537
Henry Sturman
hrsturman
May 24, 2012 7:25 pm
http://www.htwins.net/scale2/...
24538
Elliot Temple
curi42
May 25, 2012 7:17 am
... That is an implication of *your view of consciousness*. But to assume your view of consciousness is *true*, in a reply to someone saying your conception of...
24539
Elliot Temple
curi42
May 25, 2012 7:17 am
... What's so difficult to believe about thousands of non-philosophers going down a metaphorical dead end road together, which is a dead end due to reasons...
24540
Elliot Temple
curi42
May 25, 2012 7:17 am
... This is the wrong way to look at computer programs. Programs with the same outputs for the same input are **not the same program**. For example they may...
24541
Brian Scurfield
brian_scurfield
May 25, 2012 8:22 am
... I don't see why an unconscious knowledge-generating computer program could not acquire a false idea that is it conscious. Like any knowledge creator, it...
24542
smitra@...
pi_equals_31...
May 25, 2012 5:06 pm
... That's a bit of a straw man argument, as you have put additional baggage in the person who knows that he doesn't understand Chinese. If you ignore this...
24543
Bruno Marchal
marchal@...
May 25, 2012 5:10 pm
... If the idea "I am conscious" is false, and asserted by the machine, it is not a first person idea. But consciousness is a first person notion, so here...
24544
brian_scurfield
May 26, 2012 12:01 am
... The same knowledge can be structured in many different ways and the structure affects our ability to use and to modify the knowledge. Knowing good ways to...
24545
Brett Hall
brhallway
May 26, 2012 9:34 am
... Is it really a mistake for me to do this? Just change the subject to anything else at all and see how *your* response reads... "that is an implication of...
24546
Elliot Temple
curi42
May 26, 2012 9:36 am
... A good place to start would be a bunch of non-programming examples and implications. Here is part of one, with some questions: We know in general terms...
24547
Rami Rustom
ramisrustom
May 26, 2012 5:12 pm
... In Physics and Math, people tend to memorize formulas; I guess cause they think its easier. And this requires that they memorize which formulas apply to...
24548
Elliot Temple
curi42
May 26, 2012 5:51 pm
... Yes. It's called "begging the question". ... If someone questions your view of gravity, and your argument in reply uses your view of gravity as a premise...
24549
Brett Hall
brhallway
May 27, 2012 10:08 am
... I don't think it is. If consciousness is a false idea then it does not exist. So the debate then is not about whether or not my 'view' of consciousness is...
24550
hibbsa
May 27, 2012 3:15 pm
"The laws of classical electromagnetism that were developed in the 19th century are the same laws that scientists use today. They include Maxwell's four...
24551
smitra@...
pi_equals_31...
May 27, 2012 4:12 pm
... See here: http://arxiv.org/abs/1205.4646 Saibal...
24552
Elliot Temple
curi42
May 27, 2012 5:38 pm
... It could be that your conception of consciousness doesn't exist, but my conception does exist. Maybe yours is wrong but mine is right. It could be that it...
24553
a b
hibbsa
May 28, 2012 7:05 am
... Hi David - first of all thanks for sparing me the response to the 'compilation' problem that I suggested after this, which after posting I had quickly...
24554
David Deutsch
oxfordphysicist
May 28, 2012 11:38 am
... [...] ... I meant that the proposition that you stated is false, and I gave a counter-example. Certainly, there exist true propositions as well, and some...
24555
Colin Geoffrey Hales
jayceetout
May 29, 2012 7:21 am
Here's a story I just wrote. I'll get it published in due course. ======================================================== It's 100,000 BCE. You are a...
24556
Elliot Temple
curi42
May 29, 2012 8:24 am
... I'd suggest the wonderful book and question: What do you care what other people think? -- Elliot Temple http://curi.us/...
24557
Bruno Marchal
marchal@...
May 29, 2012 11:26 am
... This is needed to get a salary and funding, making possible to pursue the research. It is also needed to make higher the probability that someone refute...
24558
a b
hibbsa
May 29, 2012 11:27 am
... So, among those true propositions involving information processing, do we find that the Turing Principle is true when another computer program is...
24559
a b
hibbsa
May 29, 2012 11:27 am
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Colin Geoffrey Hales ... Just do your work Colin, follow your ideas and hope to get results and breakthroughs. Dramatic...
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David Deutsch
oxfordphysicist
May 29, 2012 11:52 am
... Since the Turing principle, "A computer capable of simulating with arbitrary accuracy any physically possible system, is physically possible" does not...
24561
a b
hibbsa
Jun 2, 2012 8:06 am
... Is this is your proposed strengthened version? ... OK I think I get this. So then also a "cup of coffee" could be simulated in such a computer. Which...
24562
pkrawczyk2
Jun 5, 2012 4:38 pm
Just stumbled upon a very nice quote that fits the static vs dynamic societies discussion in BoI: "The countries that most deserve the title of...
24563
Peter D
peterdjones
Jun 6, 2012 9:12 pm
... Of course most simulations aren;t real, and of course the claim that simulated brains, as an exception to the rules, would be just as a real as unsimulated...
24564
Elliot Temple
curi42
Jun 9, 2012 8:05 pm
I win. ... -- Elliot Temple http://beginningofinfinity.com/...
