How can an abstraction be felt? ... From: "Bruno Marchal" <marchal@...> To: <Fabric-of-Reality@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 11:16 AM ...
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Doug Donaghue at 054
DDonaghue@...
Jul 30, 2002 2:59 pm
... <snip> ... NO, I haven't. I have to confess that I'm not much of a theater type. I usually wait until it's out on cable. That way I can watch the movie,...
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Doug Donaghue at 054
DDonaghue@...
Jul 31, 2002 9:34 am
... <snip> ... Because, as I understand DD, it must be necessary for *all* *possible* universes to 'exist' (to have existed since the big bang) and that our ...
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Doug Donaghue at 054
DDonaghue@...
Jul 31, 2002 9:34 am
... Only if you count 'altered states of consciousness' as a 'parallel universe' (in some sense <g>) ... True. Some of them (Heinlein comes to mind) even...
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Doug Donaghue at 054
DDonaghue@...
Jul 31, 2002 9:34 am
... True. But they aren't simultaneous solutions. They are linearly superpositioned (in the sense that they all, potentially, exist with equal probability)...
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Doug Donaghue at 054
DDonaghue@...
Jul 31, 2002 9:34 am
... Very true. But, if it's ever actually proven that 'free will' is an illusion, it's going to play merry hell with every conceivable aspect of society (as...
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Doug Donaghue at 054
DDonaghue@...
Jul 31, 2002 9:35 am
... Oops.... I guess my keyboard is stuttering again <g> Doug...
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Doug Donaghue at 054
DDonaghue@...
Jul 31, 2002 9:35 am
... <snip> ... That's kinda what it sounds like to me. And I'm having a few problems with that interpretation (which I may, or may not, mention later........
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Doug Donaghue at 054
DDonaghue@...
Jul 31, 2002 9:35 am
... Or unless it's possible for a program to become 'self-aware' (develop 'consciousness'). I'm kinda ambivalent about that one. If consciousness really *is*...
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Doug Donaghue at 054
DDonaghue@...
Jul 31, 2002 9:35 am
... Yes. But, as soon as 'A' instead of 'B' is chosen, the universe of 'A' is forever different from the universe of 'B'. Doug...
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Doug Donaghue at 054
DDonaghue@...
Jul 31, 2002 9:36 am
... But logic, as any mathematician instinctively knows, is an incomplete system <g> ... As Douglas Adams so succinctly put it; "The answer is, in fact, 42." ...
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PaintedDevil@...
charlesgoodw...
Jul 31, 2002 9:36 am
In a message dated 7/30/2002 10:57:40 AM GMT Daylight Time, ... That's one of the big questions. See "Creation Revisited" - I forget the author (Chris...
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PaintedDevil@...
charlesgoodw...
Jul 31, 2002 9:36 am
In a message dated 7/30/2002 10:58:02 AM GMT Daylight Time, ... That would be an implication of Tipler's theory (and any other theory that posits the future...
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PaintedDevil@...
charlesgoodw...
Jul 31, 2002 9:36 am
In a message dated 7/30/2002 4:00:11 PM GMT Daylight Time, ... Well, that question is "old hat" - and old hats are often made of felt - so... Charles [Non-text...
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George Walton
iambiguously
Jul 31, 2002 9:37 am
... Yes, I see everything quite clearly now except for this: is it logical that logic can exist infinitely or is the more rational explanation that logic, too,...
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Brian Scurfield
mayorofcool
Jul 31, 2002 10:45 am
From: PaintedDevil@a... Date: Wed Jul 31, 2002 9:25 pm Subject: Re: Multiversal people ... future ... world now ... course ... I was thinking a similar...
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Bruno Marchal
marchal@...
Jul 31, 2002 10:45 am
... All axiomatizable *mathematical theories* sufficiently rich to talk about natural numbers are incomplete. (Roughly speaking axiomatizable means you can...
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PaintedDevil@...
charlesgoodw...
Jul 31, 2002 11:22 am
In a message dated 7/31/2002 10:35:18 AM GMT Daylight Time, ... Well, nothing splits, because time doesn't exist in the multiverse view. The difference is...
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PaintedDevil@...
charlesgoodw...
Jul 31, 2002 2:44 pm
In a message dated 7/31/2002 10:35:20 AM GMT Daylight Time, ... Because the phenomena act at different levels. From our perspective various things appear to...
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PaintedDevil@...
charlesgoodw...
Jul 31, 2002 2:44 pm
In a message dated 7/31/2002 10:35:25 AM GMT Daylight Time, ... The earliest I know of is by Murray Leinster, although I can't remember the title. Although...
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PaintedDevil@...
charlesgoodw...
Jul 31, 2002 2:44 pm
In a message dated 7/31/2002 10:35:59 AM GMT Daylight Time, ... True, or at least different for a very long time (until all traces of the decision have...
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PaintedDevil@...
charlesgoodw...
Jul 31, 2002 2:44 pm
In a message dated 7/31/2002 10:35:41 AM GMT Daylight Time, ... Our best theories have indicated that free will is an illusion for about a century - longer if...
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Bruno Marchal
marchal@...
Jul 31, 2002 2:45 pm
... One implication is that physics becomes a branch of machine's psychology. Physical realities emerge as coherent sharable, and recoverable machine's dreams...
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PaintedDevil@...
charlesgoodw...
Jul 31, 2002 2:45 pm
In a message dated 7/31/2002 10:36:23 AM GMT Daylight Time, ... Apparently - at least according to "Genome" by Matt Ridley - AI practitioners have largely...
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PaintedDevil@...
charlesgoodw...
Jul 31, 2002 2:45 pm
In a message dated 7/31/2002 10:37:33 AM GMT Daylight Time, ... Surely that would be illogical, Captain? Charles [Non-text portions of this message have been...
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PaintedDevil@...
charlesgoodw...
Jul 31, 2002 2:46 pm
In a message dated 7/31/2002 11:46:13 AM GMT Daylight Time, ... Interesting.... I *suspect* that it does, but the whole subject rapidly gets a bit...
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Doug Donaghue at 054
DDonaghue@...
Jul 31, 2002 2:46 pm
... Nice try, Charles <g> In fact, *all* qualia are 'felt' in the sense that they interact with our emotions to some degree and at some level. Most people...
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Doug Donaghue at 054
DDonaghue@...
Jul 31, 2002 2:46 pm
... Damned good question. But, since logic is, itself, incomplete (ref. K. Gödel, et. al.) it would seem to follow that *any* answer to that question would,...
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Doug Donaghue at 054
DDonaghue@...
Jul 31, 2002 2:46 pm
... And in a finite number of steps. (Leave that one out and recursive functions will transfinetely eat your lunch <g>) ... Hmmm.......... Does dyslexia...
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Doug Donaghue at 054
DDonaghue@...
Jul 31, 2002 2:47 pm
... True, but I was looking at it from 'our' perspective. Take a picture of it as being two 'parallel' pipes that are connected with a 'Y' at one end. We go...
