I am having trouble with the colloguial style.  Here are the trouble spots and what I think they mean.

 

"Kato" täti kuinka isoja "nää" koirat "on".

Look auntie how large these dogs are.

 

"Noi on" ehmiä, "eiks joo"

Those are cows, not so?

 

"Mä" tiedan, "mä oon" usein kaupassa äidin kanssa.

I know, I have often (been) to the stare with mother.

 

"Tossako" kuvassa?  En?

In that picture?  no?

 

Täti, "mä" haluaisin nähdä paljon eläimiä.

Auntie, I would like to see the  many animals.

 

"Musta"  ne "on"  kivoja.

??????  they  ??   ??

 

Terveisin,

Richard

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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007, Anita wrote:

> I think you got most of them right.
>  The last one is "Minusta he ovat kivoja" - I think they are nice.
>  Anita
<snip>
>  "Musta"  ne "on"  kivoja.
>  ??????  they  ??   ??
Hei Richard, good job!

In addition to this last one, you will also run across "mulla on"
(minulla on), "must tuntuu" (minusta tuntuu), and "mun" (minun). I am sure
there are more, but that should get you started. Perhaps find some Finnish
podcasts and listen for such things, especially if it is a podcast of some
kind of interview.

uak

Hei Anita,

  Are we doing anymore or am I on my own?

Terveisin,

Richard

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Does someone have a dictionary Finnish-English ????

http://www.sanakirja.org/

On Fri, 13 Mar 2009, recoline@... wrote:

>
> Does someone have a dictionary Finnish-English ????
>
>
>
>

uak

Hi. I originally founded this group but got distracted almost
immediately and left the group in someone else's very capable hands. I
am sorry I can't quite recall her name. I think it was Anita or
Anneka. I have now got back into Finnish learning, but couldn't face
the slow pace of Finnish for Foreigners all over again, and am not in
chapter 4 of Colloquial Finnish. I have done an incredible amount of
looking up declensions etc and bascially have a good understanding of
those 4 chapters. If anyone is still learning Finnish and wants to
make this a  listserv relating to Colloquial Finnish by Daniel
Abondolo, please let me know.

I have always thought the word LOVE in England sounded very sensuous.
I asked Chinese people in China whether they thought "wo ai ni" or "I
love you" sounded more sensuous, and everyone said "I love you". I am
not sure what to think about "minä rakastan sinua" at all. It doesn't
sound very sexy, does it?

Yes, I wonder what the intimate version would be. Let me know if you
find out! Maybe the real Finns do not like to talk about love too
much? I have heard Finnish men are not demonstrative about their
affections, so maybe that is the solution?

2009/4/15 Liz <niemiliz@...>:
>
>
> David,
>
> Coming from four Finnish grandparents who moved to Canada I have heard the
> literal translation but can't imagine my ancestors saying that so I have to
> wonder if over time a shorter or intimate variation was derived that I don't
> know about.
>
> Liz
>
> --- On Tue, 4/14/09, David Webb <djwebb1969@...> wrote:
>
> From: David Webb <djwebb1969@...>
> Subject: [FinnishFF] word for "love"
> To: FinnishFF@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 6:44 PM
>
> I have always thought the word LOVE in England sounded very sensuous.
> I asked Chinese people in China whether they thought "wo ai ni" or "I
> love you" sounded more sensuous, and everyone said "I love you". I am
> not sure what to think about "minä rakastan sinua" at all. It doesn't
> sound very sexy, does it?
>
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>
>

No. Pöyrö is definitely not pronounced boy-rye. If you know how to say
hyvää yötä, you will know what the ö andy sound like. ö is a vowel
like "uh", or the "eu" in the French word "peu". Y is a very close
"oo", like the "u" in the French word "lune". It should be something
like puh-oo-ruh. Words like löydy in Finnish all require master of
these sounds. You can hear ö at
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Close-mid_front_rounded_vowel\
.ogg,
if you can get .ogg files to play on your computer. And you can hear y
at
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Close_front_rounded_vowel.ogg

2009/4/15 Liz <niemiliz@...>:
>
>
> Hi David,
>
> After enthusiastically joining this group I encountered family health
> problems that left me no time to join in though I have kept a copy of every
> email sent for when I do have more time to devote to learning. I am most
> definitely interested in learning Finnish in any manner. On another note, I
> have come across a last name that I am not sure how to pronounce and would
> welcome advice. The name is Poyry with double dots on the o. My teachings
> says it should be pronounced (soft p) boy-rye. I welcome any advice on this
> one.
>
> LizÂ
>
> --- On Tue, 4/14/09, David Webb <djwebb1969@...> wrote:
>
> From: David Webb <djwebb1969@...>
> Subject: [FinnishFF] This group
> To: FinnishFF@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 6:40 PM
>
> Hi. I originally founded this group but got distracted almost
> immediately and left the group in someone else's very capable hands. I
> am sorry I can't quite recall her name. I think it was Anita or
> Anneka. I have now got back into Finnish learning, but couldn't face
> the slow pace of Finnish for Foreigners all over again, and am not in
> chapter 4 of Colloquial Finnish. I have done an incredible amount of
> looking up declensions etc and bascially have a good understanding of
> those 4 chapters. If anyone is still learning Finnish and wants to
> make this a listserv relating to Colloquial Finnish by Daniel
> Abondolo, please let me know.
>
> ________________________________
> Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr!
>
>

Sorry, pöyry, not pöyrö. Sounds like puh-oo-roo, and as Carol says
there is pöytä, sounds like puh-oo-tah. You really have to grasp the
difference between front and back vowels for Finnish. Do you know the
difference between "bout" and "but" in French. The first has Finnish
u, and the second has Finnish y. Then you need to master the
difference between the sound in the French word "patte" and the sound
in the English word "pat". The first has Finnish a, and the second has
Finnish ä. Finally there is the difference between the vowel in the
French word "sot" and the vowel in the French word "ceux". The first
has Finnish o, and the second has Finnish ö. These pairs of front and
back vowels are the key to Finnish pronunciation.

I gave you examples in French as you are in Canada and should be able
to find someone who speaks French to illustrate them for you. Pöyry is
[French peu+French y+Spanish r+French y]

2009/4/15 Liz <niemiliz@...>:
>
>
> Hi David,
>
> After enthusiastically joining this group I encountered family health
> problems that left me no time to join in though I have kept a copy of every
> email sent for when I do have more time to devote to learning. I am most
> definitely interested in learning Finnish in any manner. On another note, I
> have come across a last name that I am not sure how to pronounce and would
> welcome advice. The name is Poyry with double dots on the o. My teachings
> says it should be pronounced (soft p) boy-rye. I welcome any advice on this
> one.
>
> LizÂ
>
> --- On Tue, 4/14/09, David Webb <djwebb1969@...> wrote:
>
> From: David Webb <djwebb1969@...>
> Subject: [FinnishFF] This group
> To: FinnishFF@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 6:40 PM
>
> Hi. I originally founded this group but got distracted almost
> immediately and left the group in someone else's very capable hands. I
> am sorry I can't quite recall her name. I think it was Anita or
> Anneka. I have now got back into Finnish learning, but couldn't face
> the slow pace of Finnish for Foreigners all over again, and am not in
> chapter 4 of Colloquial Finnish. I have done an incredible amount of
> looking up declensions etc and bascially have a good understanding of
> those 4 chapters. If anyone is still learning Finnish and wants to
> make this a listserv relating to Colloquial Finnish by Daniel
> Abondolo, please let me know.
>
> ________________________________
> Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr!
>
>

Hi,

   I also was working through FfF a while ago but now am now working my way
through  Teach Yourself Finnish as a refresher. I picked up Colloquial Finnish
and also find it a bit unnecessarily confusing but I would be happy to to use
either or go back to FfF. Anyone else interested?

Regards,
 Michael R.

Hei Richard,

   I also got to about chapter 22 last year. I'm happy to resume after I do a bit
more refreshing. I have the 2nd book also. I also have a range of other books
with which I could add exercices.

Kiitos,
Michael
--- In FinnishFF@yahoogroups.com, richard winkky <richardwinkky@...> wrote:
>
> Hei Michael,
>    I am willing to work in Finnish FF.  The last attempt got us to the
chapters in the twenties, but review is good.  I am patient.  I believe there is
a Book 2 also.  As a suggestion, those who are better could add extra exercises
to the chapters. 
> Terveisin,
> Richard
>
> --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Michael <brons_2000@...> wrote:
>
> From: Michael <brons_2000@...>
> Subject: [FinnishFF] Re: This Group
> To: FinnishFF@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 8:47 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>    I also was working through FfF a while ago but now am now working my way
through  Teach Yourself Finnish as a refresher. I picked up Colloquial Finnish
and also find it a bit unnecessarily confusing but I would be happy to to use
either or go back to FfF. Anyone else interested?
>
> Regards,
>  Michael R.
>

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You can easily check Finnish pronunciation here...

http://www.bitlips.fi/index.en.html

You will have to figure out how to type the Finnish front vowels ö and ä.  There
are instructions on how to install a Finnish keyboard for Windows in our files
area.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FinnishFF/files/  > TypingFinnishLetters....

Peter

--- In FinnishFF@yahoogroups.com, David Webb <djwebb1969@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry, pöyry, not pöyrö. Sounds like puh-oo-roo, and as Carol says
> there is pöytä, sounds like puh-oo-tah. You really have to grasp the
> difference between front and back vowels for Finnish. Do you know the
> difference between "bout" and "but" in French. The first has Finnish
> u, and the second has Finnish y. Then you need to master the
> difference between the sound in the French word "patte" and the sound
> in the English word "pat". The first has Finnish a, and the second has
> Finnish ä. Finally there is the difference between the vowel in the
> French word "sot" and the vowel in the French word "ceux". The first
> has Finnish o, and the second has Finnish ö. These pairs of front and
> back vowels are the key to Finnish pronunciation.
>
> I gave you examples in French as you are in Canada and should be able
> to find someone who speaks French to illustrate them for you. Pöyry is
> [French peu+French y+Spanish r+French y]
>
> 2009/4/15 Liz <niemiliz@...>:
> >
> >
> > Hi David,
> >
> > After enthusiastically joining this group I encountered family health
> > problems that left me no time to join in though I have kept a copy of every
> > email sent for when I do have more time to devote to learning. I am most
> > definitely interested in learning Finnish in any manner. On another note, I
> > have come across a last name that I am not sure how to pronounce and would
> > welcome advice. The name is Poyry with double dots on the o. My teachings
> > says it should be pronounced (soft p) boy-rye. I welcome any advice on this
> > one.
> >
> > LizÂ
> >
> > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, David Webb <djwebb1969@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: David Webb <djwebb1969@...>
> > Subject: [FinnishFF] This group
> > To: FinnishFF@yahoogroups.com
> > Received: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 6:40 PM
> >
> > Hi. I originally founded this group but got distracted almost
> > immediately and left the group in someone else's very capable hands. I
> > am sorry I can't quite recall her name. I think it was Anita or
> > Anneka. I have now got back into Finnish learning, but couldn't face
> > the slow pace of Finnish for Foreigners all over again, and am not in
> > chapter 4 of Colloquial Finnish. I have done an incredible amount of
> > looking up declensions etc and bascially have a good understanding of
> > those 4 chapters. If anyone is still learning Finnish and wants to
> > make this a listserv relating to Colloquial Finnish by Daniel
> > Abondolo, please let me know.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr!
> >
> >
>

Dear all, this site has been dead for a long time, but always there are many
people joining. I have changed the settings so people can join automatically.
What would people do with this group?