--- Ann <annokig@...> wrote:

> Tom, are you having a gnostic crisis? :) I thought
> we spoke
> of a mythical/Allegorical Jesus here...
> If the communion wafer helps me touch the divine, so
> be it I
> guess, but I hadn't decided to partake of
> communion...
> As far as dogma goes though, I think I agree with
> Rosalie.
>
> With love
> Gnostically Leaning Ann
>
>


consider

communion was one of the sacraments
of original (Gnostic) Christianity,
adopted by modern (Catholic) Christianity.

what must it have meant to the ancient
Gnostics?  a partaking of the God directly.
like eating Mithras and drinking Dionysus.
The Mysteries await.

still, consider...

does the ritual of Catholic mass
actually metaphysically do anything?


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"sylvan*" cheshirecat@... samuel1938 wrote:

>At 11:59 PM 11/28/07 -0500, you wrote:

><snip>
>>though it may take a few lives to do so,
><snip>


>Good luck... with that concept.


>imo,

>sylvan*



You believe there is no hope for the human race. That's okay. I do. Each to
their own.

Bless you.

Linda

honestly, I probably don't have a good answer.... but
seriously, here's what I think it may have meant...

For the ancient Gnostics ...and maybe partially what I seek
....

I see a ceremony of equals men and women.. all different
levels of mysticsm or gnosis...
I've heard they changed roles so that one ceremony one might
be the priest or priestess and the next be just a
participant,, everyone cycling through the roles...
which for me would symbolized that everyone has something to
teach or offer.. sometimes the teacher becomes student and
vice versa...

The other major component which I think is what I would love
to experience.... that this is a format for everyone to open
their inner hearts and share the love  divinity that resides
there....
I get the warm "cozies" as a sort of feeling it might
elicit.  But also some awe, reciprocated love and respect in
that we can psychically touch each other in this way.... it
would be a special and intimate experience with a group....a
joyous and solemn occasion...

With love
Still gnostically leaning Ann

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To: GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com
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--- Ann <annokig@comcast. <mailto:annokig%40comcast.net>
net> wrote:

> Tom, are you having a gnostic crisis? :) I thought
> we spoke
> of a mythical/Allegorical Jesus here...
> If the communion wafer helps me touch the divine, so
> be it I
> guess, but I hadn't decided to partake of
> communion...
> As far as dogma goes though, I think I agree with
> Rosalie.
>
> With love
> Gnostically Leaning Ann
>
>

consider

communion was one of the sacraments
of original (Gnostic) Christianity,
adopted by modern (Catholic) Christianity.

what must it have meant to the ancient
Gnostics? a partaking of the God directly.
like eating Mithras and drinking Dionysus.
The Mysteries await.

still, consider...

does the ritual of Catholic mass
actually metaphysically do anything?

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OK, regarding topic of Karma vs Forgiveness.

A number of years back,  I attended two different groups at the
same time.

One group was called TIC= The teaching of the Inner Christ.
In this group, the process of exorcism was called Entity
Healing.  When spirits came to the table, which did not come in
the name of the  Christ, or with people who had extra entities
in them or around them, We were taught to do an entity healing.

  We  said to the entity, In the name of Christ or Babaji, you
are healed and forgiven, go now into the light.
******************************8
However, at the same time, I was studying with ULT, The United
Lodge of Theosophy.  This group talked about the concept of
Karma
a lot.  To Theosophists, Karma is a very basic idea and much
discussion on this.   So Karma is very much on my mind.  No
Forgiveness concept in Theosophy's concept of Karma.
Also Theosophy warned of the dangers of medium ship and table
tipping.

***************However, I did the Table tipping at TIC at the
same time ULT Theosophists said it was dangerous and not do it.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$

So, at the same time, I am being taught Karma with no
forgiveness,
and at same time, at TIC, unlimited forgiveness and healing.

So, in my mind, how to put the two ideas   together.

++++++++++

Here is how I have resolved it.  This is how I do an entity
healing, what some may call an exorcism, when I suspect a person
has an extra entity or two or 3 in them.

I say, In the name of Babaji, or Christ, I say,

You are healed and forgiven, there is no judgment on you, go now
into the Light.

You will go to a place of rest and healing, perhaps a healing
sleep.  After a time, in conjunction with your own guardian
angel, you will review your past life.

If you see the harm or hurt you have done others, you may
chose, in conjunction with your own personal guardian angel, to
come back to earth to make restitution, to balance out your
karma.
If in your own mind, with your life review, you see the harm you
have done, you may come back to earth, into a physical body,
being born as a baby, and do good to offset or balance your
previous Karma.

There is no judgment on you except what you yourself judge, in
conjunction with your own Holy guardian angel.  I judge you not.
  You are healed and forgiven, by Authority of Christ/Babaji. Go
now into the Light.
end

**ps  The Babaji mentioned in this book is the one I refer to
when I refer to Babaji.
""Autobiography of a Yogi"" By Yogananda

When I and my sister visited the SRF garden in North San Diego
county, the one on the beach, My sister saw and talked with this
Babaji.  Of course he was not physical.

So my sister's vision or experience verfied some thing about
Babaji.  Later, she  found Babaji's picture in Yogananda's book,
THE AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF A YOGI.

So when I say to an entity, you are healed and forgiven, go now
into the light,  in name of Babaji, It works.  I am not using my
own authority, but the authority of Babaji.

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Hi Tom and Group - -

   How about the 'Pharaohs' of Egypt that pre-dated the Roman 'Caesars'?  Weren't
they also 'humans' that purportedly demanded to be worshiped as 'god' ???  This
seems to be a thread in many mythologies, where a 'human' becomes a stand-in for
'god'; i.e., to put a 'face' on a deity for easier reference by the masses
(people) . . . . IMO, each 'mythology' has a 'dying and resurrecting entity
(figure) to make it easier for uninitiated people to relate too . . . What say
you Group???

   IMHO, Saying 15 admonishes each of us to find our inner divine consciousness
(i.e., our 'god within') and not to rely on extraneous figures to represent
'god'.  IOWs, we are 'god'; thus all we are able to see would be a reflection
(as in a mirror, still body of water, etc) of our 'god' within . . . .

   Sharing the Joy,
   Jeanine



Tom Ragland <gnostictom@...> wrote:

--- "Frater C.L." wrote:

> We never need to fall on our face and worship
> another person, for
> there is no person not born of woman. Anyone who
> demands our worship
> is unworthy for that one, just like me, was born of
> woman.
>
>

for the first time I had a thought
regarding this verse,
the "human" that demanded to be worshipped
as a god was Caesar.



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Sylvan,


I believe Akhenaten was the foundation of the Jewish belief system.

Aper_el


--- In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, sylvan* <cheshirecat@...>
wrote:

  At 05:12 AM 11/29/07 -0000, you wrote:

  <snip>
Akhenaten had one god (the Aten)

He loved his 5 daughters (loved the little children)...as Jesus had
done

He kicked the money and gold worshippers out of the temples as Jesus
had done also
<snip>


  Hmmm,
"...as Jesus had done"...
perhaps your time-line is Mobius strip...?

Akhenaten - Early ruler of Egypt who rejected the old gods and
replaced them with sun worship (died in 1358 BC)
  cite: Princeton WordWeb.


sylvan*
>
Re: [GnosticThought] Re: narrow minded demiurge...Hi Ken...George

Hi Gnostic Tom,

Akhenaten had one god (the Aten)

He loved his 5 daughters (loved the little children)...as Jesus had
done

He kicked the money and gold worshippers out of the temples as Jesus
had done also

Made Nefertiti a ruling pharoah

Wrote the 104th Psalm (according to Brested?)

Was against war...even whilst his northern kingdoms were falling to
an upstart war lord

He spoke to his followers from the mound in Akhetaten his city

He was known as the carpenter who built Akhetaten

I can see the Jesus factor with Akhenaten in the drivers seat...I
have read different books that bring me to this juncture.



Aper_el



hmmm...

Mithras, born on December 25,
was stronger than ole Sol,
put the sun in his place,
made him tow the line in submission
to Mithras.

Christ became a type of Mithras
in the way Christianity was formed.
Superceding the controlling the
old god, reforming.

gnostic tom

--- In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, "Henry B. Ellak"
<henrybellak@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ann,
> Yes,  you are correct,I should have finished the thought.
>
> yes, I feel that some aspects of dreams are message dreams or
> what I call teaching dreams, from other Beings.
>
>
> Yes, some dreams are contact dreams, meaning contact with other
> Beings, who are not aspects of me.  They do not waste time, a
> contact dream is a teaching dream. Some are cute and clever  and
> feel good, but some of the teaching dreams could also be called
> nighmares.
>
> Some dreams are where some other beings want to kill me and to
> kill others. I try to protect or somehow help the others from
> being killed. Very unpleasant feeling to these.  To be honest,
> in some of my dreams, where there are beings out to kill me and
> to kill others,  I run and hide.
>
> Still, some of my worst nightmares, the dreams with the very bad
> feelings attached to them, where some want to kill me and
> others,  could still be teaching dreams.
>
> Example,  A being in dream wants to kill me.
>
> possible--Its one of my teachers trying to teach me something.
> or,
> possible, it is a being who really is trying to kill me.
>
> Whether it is a test[or teaching]  from one of my teachers, or
> if it is the real thing, I still have to deal with it.
>
> ponder, can one be killed in a dream, I  do not know the answer
> to this.  Many possibilities on this.
> Henry B.


Henry,

Maybe you should post about your snake dream again and see what people
have to say.


Brenda

At 09:58 AM 11/29/07 -0800, you wrote:

<snip>
>Example,  A being in dream wants to kill me.
<snip>


Perhaps... its intended prey is... "Me",
the self-delusion... each thinks I* be.

* = whatever icon preferred.


imo,

I*

--- In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, "Vanirhawk" <vanirhawk@...> wrote:
>
> Oh right, THAT Todd Settimo. I knew I'd heard that name somewhere. Yes,
> "Gnosis: Good News for the Third Millennium" is a great little book
and one
> of the best lines is "One thing most religions fail to tell their
adherents
> is that above all things the Eternal Parent wants you to be happy."
>
> Starting out Baptist, I never knew that God really wanted me to be
happy. I
> was taught to fear God, not to love him. It took leaving
Christianity behind
> back in 1969, exploring the various isms and discovering the divine
feminine
> and the Gnostic teachings to realize that the All or Eternal Parent
only
> wants us to be happy. Silly doctrines and useless rituals have
nothing to do
> with our relationship with the All, for once we realize that we are
one with
> the All, the rest becomes useless claptrap.
>
>  I've read the book several times, and used it for meditation. I
loaned it
> to my mother, now also a Gnostic, and she was so impressed that she
asked me
> to order her a copy.
>
> Linda
>

Thanks for your kind words, Linda. I'm glad you and your mom found it
useful. It's always gratifying to hear.

--
Best,
Todd

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--- In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, "Brenda" <brenda@...> wrote:
>
> --- In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, "Rozee cutrone"
> <itsallrozee@> wrote:
> >
> >  oh funny exchange! don't know what it's about but you've cheered me
> > up.(love fart humour unfortunately)
>
>
> Rozee,
>
> LOL. My kids think fart is the funniest word in the English language.
>
>
> Brenda
>

My daughter thinks fart is the funniest word and the action is even
funnier. She loves to watch my inevitable reaction when I read to her
at night and she slips off a silent one. Phew!!!

--
Best,
Todd

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not expect to sit.
--Nelson Henderson

Hi, yes, this, what you wrote, makes sense to me, now that you
mention it.

In mirror mediation, I have seen the death head, skull and I
took this to mean a teaching of some kind.

The theme of the **me** must die to reveal what is behind the
*me*.

Me is mud on my vision.  Remove the mud and what is left.

I die daily, yet I live, yet not I but *Christ* liveth in me.
I meditate a lot on this.
The wave dies, leaving the Ocean.

Henry B.


--- I* <cheshirecat@...> wrote:

> At 09:58 AM 11/29/07 -0800, you wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >Example,  A being in dream wants to kill me.
> <snip>
>
>
> Perhaps... its intended prey is... "Me",
> the self-delusion... each thinks I* be.
>
> * = whatever icon preferred.
>
>
> imo,
>
> I*
>
>
>
>
>
>
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In a message dated 11/29/2007 9:23:25 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
todd@... writes:

/on  shamlessPlug;

It makes a great stocking stuffer!!

/off  shamelessPlug;

--
Best,
Todd


Todd, I don't think you should be ashamed to plus the book, it's quite
marvelous!  It's also something that is more easily understood by people  new to
Gnostic-type thought too, IMO.  I would give it to anyone who showed  a little
interest in gnostic spirituality.  Longtimers too, of  course!

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In a message dated 11/28/2007 11:09:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
annokig@... writes:

What  about the first Adam,
adam 'kadmon...


I've read only a little about this and don't remember all I read:  So  Adam
Kadmon was the spiritual prototype that preceded the human Adam?  It  does seem
like that would equate to the spiritual spark within.

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In a message dated 11/29/2007 12:17:58 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
brenda@... writes:

Henry,

In college I had a religion class with a catholic priest.  I remember
that he said that worship means to treat someone in accordance  with
his/her worth. If that definition is accurate, then it  doesn't
necessarily mean to fall down on your hands and knees before  anyone.


Brenda



Then it should be "worth-ship".  Oh oh, here we go lisping again  :-)
Seriously, I do like that definition of the word worship.

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In a message dated 11/29/2007 5:31:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
annokig@... writes:

The soul  of
every human being that has ever existed , exists at present,
or that  will ever exist  comes from the great soul of  Adam
Kadmon.


Sounds to me a bit like saying Adam Kadmon is the part of The Source or The
All that human spirits come from, that is, if The All exists in  parts.  Oh
well, it just would be a human's way of looking at that which in  Truth is
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Hi tom, I think you may be right, about the feel good (or bad)
nature of 'karma' or the concept of karma. seems to be connected to
the saying 'unto thyself be true'. If we are going against what
we 'know' to be right for us, then that would be known innately, to
ourselves, no matter how hard we'd supressed it. therefore, sooner or
later, the laws of attraction inherent in our being will come into
play. Transcending karma, would involve 'dying' to the concepts of
past and future and living beyond cause and effect, wouldn't it? I've
decided, there is no moral judging force apart from ourselves as well.

--- In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, Tom Ragland <gnostictom@...>
wrote:
>
>
> --- sylvan* <cheshirecat@...> wrote:
>
> > At 11:59 PM 11/28/07 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> > >though it may take a few lives to do so,
> > <snip>
> >
> >
> > Good luck... with that concept.
> >
> >
>
> is the concept of karma just a feel good thing?
>
> that mean nasty ugly person
> will get her just desserts,
> if not in this life then eventually
> --and that thought of kosmic justice
> makes folks feel like there is a God,
> a judge that blesses and curses,
> heaven and hell,
>
> but I wonder...
>
> Wiccans scare themselves
> with the rule of three,
> is the rule really real
> or do they play mindgames
> with themselves and make
> it real for them?
>
> ole Cain done kilt Abel,
> but he was given a protection
> mark by God and sent on his
> merry way.  no karma.
>
> at least no karma in a kosmic
> keeping tally of good and evil sense.
>
> my current perspective, YMMV
>
>
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>
>
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What I've found is that I have the ability to change anything I don't like in
my dreams, e.g. I could turn a destroyer of universes into a bug and step on
it. So I no longer find anything to be wary of in my dreams ;)

MP
p3nn


On Thursday 29 November 2007 13:06:29 Rozee cutrone wrote:
> Hi james , makes a big difference thats for sure. if i'm lucid i'm
> well aware that the darker side is another fascinating world to
> explore, and i've rarely been afraid. once though, while lucid, i
> came across a very twisted 'soul'? thinking it was a character in my
> dream, i approached and asked what who it was. I then got the feeling
> that it wasn't part of my psyche!!!Not sure what it was but i just
> knew i had to get out of the way!
>
> -- In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, James Takac <p3nndrag0n@...>
>
> wrote:
> > MM Patrick
> >
> > A good few of us are aware of the fact we're dreaming when we're
>
> dreaming,
>
> > i.e. lucid dreamers
> >
> > MP
> > p3nn
> >
> > On Thursday 29 November 2007 02:36:34 patameejuly wrote:
> > > -- Last night I had a dream about a ghost coming into my room and
> > > pulling off my blanket while in my dream I was trying to sleep.  I
> > > wasn't aware I was dreaming, of course who is aware of themselves
> > > dreaming, anyway I felt this ghost pulling off my blanket and all
>
> of
>
> > > a sudden I woke up realizing that was just a dream.  I wasn't
>
> scared
>
> > > or anything because I am not really afraid of ghosts.
> > >
> > > - In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <annokig@> wrote:
> > > > One reason it might scare me, is that the old Christian
> > > > Archetypes are so deeply ingrained intellectually.  I still
> > > > have a hard time saying I dont beleive in the Creator God or
> > > > the Big Boogeyman or the  Catholic Church ... but in my
> > > > heart I know what I know.
> > > >
> > > > Hugs
> > > > Ann
> > > >
> > > >   _____
> > > >
> > > > From: GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:51 AM
> > > > To: GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [GnosticThought] Re: Light and Dark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Brenda <brenda@geekcom. <mailto:brenda%40geekcom.com>
> > > >
> > > > com> wrote:
> > > > > > one night i had a lucid dream
> > > > > > where i saw this transparent glowing red
> > > > > > entity, that at first i thought "the devil"
> > > > > > having been raised Christian, but on closer
> > > > > > look at the face, it was a silent bliss,
> > > > > > a quietness that refused to answer questions,
> > > > > > nothing to say, nothing to teach, just
> > > > > > there and smiling, I could go all the way
> > > > > > around and the entity never moved or changed
> > > > > > expression, like a giant glowing sour patch
> > > > > > kid or something.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > G n o s t i c T o m
> > > > > > http://www.geocitie
> > > >
> > > > <http://www.geocities.com/gnostictom/> s.com/gnostictom/
> > > >
> > > > > Tom,
> > > > >
> > > > > One night when I was in my 20's a glowing
> > > > > golden being started to
> > > > > appear before my eyes. It scared me so bad and
> > > > > it disappeared. LOL.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Brenda
> > > >
> > > > Everyone,
> > > > I wonder why these things tend to scare us?
> > > > Is it just the old fear of the dark/fear of the
> > > > unknown? Something left over from the millions of
> > > > years when we were small creachers clinging to
> > > > tree limbs through the night when anything
> > > > appearing out of the dark might eat us? Or is
> > > > there some real danger that can jump out at us
> > > > from 12d?
> > > >
> > > > Ken
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > --
> > The only tyrant I accept in the world is the still small voice
>
> within me
>
> > Mhatma Gandhi



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MM Tom

Following the same logic we could conclude Mary not to be a virgin, nor the
rock that gave birth to Mitra, etc.

MP
p3nn

On Thursday 29 November 2007 22:34:56 Tom Ragland wrote:
> --- James Takac <p3nndrag0n@...> wrote:
> > OMG! McBeth is my Father LOL
> > Sorry. Couldn't resist the urge to point out a
> > variation on the virgin birth
> > myth Just as the creation of Adam and Eve are also
> > virgin births
>
> Adam was born of Gaia,
> after she had countless children
> of every species, she was not a virgin.
>
> Eve was born from Adam's side,
> created out of one of his ribs,
> after Lilith left Adam,
> so Adam was not a virgin.
>
> Eve had a father (Adam) but no mother,
> while Jesus had a mother (Mary) but no father.
>
>
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are we Reality itself illusorily conceived.

Wei Wu Wei

Hi james, how are you! yey! we won! ( but what did we win..?)
..about the lucid dreaming, I also don't don't have any fear in my
dreams anymore. I have had the ability to actively change or confront
darker symbols for years but I haven't though been regularly lucid or
remembering my dreams on a regular basis for months now, seem to be
going through a bit of a dark night of the soul. Life has gone a bit
muddy for me of late.  any suggestions? I'm cruising along ok, but my
heart just isn't it..(life i mean) I'm on automatic pilot and thats
ok, as i know 'all that i have is yours my daughter' but gee, it's
all looking very transparent, which is uncomfortable for me.

--- In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, James Takac <p3nndrag0n@...>
wrote:
>
> MM Rozee
>
> What I've found is that I have the ability to change anything I
don't like in
> my dreams, e.g. I could turn a destroyer of universes into a bug
and step on
> it. So I no longer find anything to be wary of in my dreams ;)
>
> MP
> p3nn
>
>
> On Thursday 29 November 2007 13:06:29 Rozee cutrone wrote:
> > Hi james , makes a big difference thats for sure. if i'm lucid i'm
> > well aware that the darker side is another fascinating world to
> > explore, and i've rarely been afraid. once though, while lucid, i
> > came across a very twisted 'soul'? thinking it was a character in
my
> > dream, i approached and asked what who it was. I then got the
feeling
> > that it wasn't part of my psyche!!!Not sure what it was but i just
> > knew i had to get out of the way!
> >
> > -- In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, James Takac <p3nndrag0n@>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > MM Patrick
> > >
> > > A good few of us are aware of the fact we're dreaming when we're
> >
> > dreaming,
> >
> > > i.e. lucid dreamers
> > >
> > > MP
> > > p3nn
> > >
> > > On Thursday 29 November 2007 02:36:34 patameejuly wrote:
> > > > -- Last night I had a dream about a ghost coming into my room
and
> > > > pulling off my blanket while in my dream I was trying to
sleep.  I
> > > > wasn't aware I was dreaming, of course who is aware of
themselves
> > > > dreaming, anyway I felt this ghost pulling off my blanket and
all
> >
> > of
> >
> > > > a sudden I woke up realizing that was just a dream.  I wasn't
> >
> > scared
> >
> > > > or anything because I am not really afraid of ghosts.
> > > >
> > > > - In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <annokig@> wrote:
> > > > > One reason it might scare me, is that the old Christian
> > > > > Archetypes are so deeply ingrained intellectually.  I still
> > > > > have a hard time saying I dont beleive in the Creator God or
> > > > > the Big Boogeyman or the  Catholic Church ... but in my
> > > > > heart I know what I know.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hugs
> > > > > Ann
> > > > >
> > > > >   _____
> > > > >
> > > > > From: GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > [mailto:GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:51 AM
> > > > > To: GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [GnosticThought] Re: Light and Dark
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Brenda <brenda@geekcom. <mailto:brenda%40geekcom.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > com> wrote:
> > > > > > > one night i had a lucid dream
> > > > > > > where i saw this transparent glowing red
> > > > > > > entity, that at first i thought "the devil"
> > > > > > > having been raised Christian, but on closer
> > > > > > > look at the face, it was a silent bliss,
> > > > > > > a quietness that refused to answer questions,
> > > > > > > nothing to say, nothing to teach, just
> > > > > > > there and smiling, I could go all the way
> > > > > > > around and the entity never moved or changed
> > > > > > > expression, like a giant glowing sour patch
> > > > > > > kid or something.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > G n o s t i c T o m
> > > > > > > http://www.geocitie
> > > > >
> > > > > <http://www.geocities.com/gnostictom/> s.com/gnostictom/
> > > > >
> > > > > > Tom,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One night when I was in my 20's a glowing
> > > > > > golden being started to
> > > > > > appear before my eyes. It scared me so bad and
> > > > > > it disappeared. LOL.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Brenda
> > > > >
> > > > > Everyone,
> > > > > I wonder why these things tend to scare us?
> > > > > Is it just the old fear of the dark/fear of the
> > > > > unknown? Something left over from the millions of
> > > > > years when we were small creachers clinging to
> > > > > tree limbs through the night when anything
> > > > > appearing out of the dark might eat us? Or is
> > > > > there some real danger that can jump out at us
> > > > > from 12d?
> > > > >
> > > > > Ken
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > > --
> > > The only tyrant I accept in the world is the still small voice
> >
> > within me
> >
> > > Mhatma Gandhi
>
>
>
> --
> All the races and tribes in the world are like the different
colored flowers
> of one meadow. All are beautiful. As children of the Creator they
must all be
> respected."
>
> Anon
>

In a message dated 11/29/2007 9:58:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
henrybellak@... writes:

ponder,  can one be killed in a dream, I  do not know the answer
to this.   Many possibilities on this.
Henry B.



I think not, so far as I can tell.  Lots of people including myself  have
occasional, at least, dreams where you are falling, or something menacing  is
about to catch you, or someone(s) trying to catch you to kill you, but  usually
at the last moment, when they would achieve their aim, the  dreamer wakes up.

It seems like a person "could" be killed in a dream, from fright if from
nothing else, but if it has ever happened, the person affected hasn't been able
to say that's what happened--death by dream...of course.

I personally don't become lucid in my dreams easily, but if I can somehow
remember in the dream to confront the menace and inform it that it has no power,
  it does leave immediately.  Just my experience.

Rosalie



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hello henry, yes for sure. I've seen lost souls on the lower astral
plane..(the one where it's dark and gloomy all the time) I will
explain. i was flying along albeit aimlessly, just enjoying the
sensation, up high in a lower light region when i began to sink, as
if being magnetically pulled, as i went lower i saw a very twisted
soul, very angry cruel nasty thing, but he couldn't actually see me.
i actually passed within touching distance and i saw that he sensed
me, but couldn't see me or get a grip on me as he grasped at the
space around him. I was repulsed by his energy and went back up, but
it took some effort as he was sucking me toward him. I had to get a
grip on my fear and just say 'no' firmly.

--- In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, "Henry B. Ellak"
<henrybellak@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- Rozee cutrone <itsallrozee@...> wrote:
>
> re dreams and dreaming,
>
>  in a dream  snip,
>
> >thinking it was a character
> > in my
> > dream, i approached and asked what who it was. I then got the
> > feeling
> > that it wasn't part of my psyche!!!
>
>
> >&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
>  Hi Rozee,   Yes, for about a month or two,  I tried to
> inerprete my dreams with the concept of
>
> EVERYTHING IN DREAM IS AN ASPECT OF ME.
>
> After about 2 months of writing down my dreams and reviewing
> them over and over,  I concluded that not everything in my
> dreams are me, are  aspects of me.
>
> I tried viewing my dreams as everything is dream is me, or an
> aspect of me.
>
> This theory does not work for me.
>
> Henry B.
>
>
>
>
>
______________________________________________________________________
______________
> Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page.
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
>

In a message dated 11/29/2007 10:40:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
gnostictom@... writes:

is it  possible that some magic is actually
real even if you refuse to believe in  it?


G n o s t i c . T o  m
http://www.geocities.com/gnostictom/



Maybe, but the magician has his/her free will and I have mine.  I need  not
accept another's magic, IMO--no, I doubt that it can in some way reach out  and
grab me.

For example, I can go to a "power place" someone has identified, and  it may
indeed be a power place for them, but I might be impervious to  it--depends.

Rosalie



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MM Rozee

Enjoying a 4 day weekend for a change ;) What have we won? Freedom from
fear ;)

My understanding is that lucidity in a dream is a choice, i.e. we can choose
to be lucid when we know how. Or we can choose to just go along for the ride.
Lately I've just gone along for the ride to see where it goes

If it seems uncomfortable to you, maybe need to ask yourself what it is that
feels uncomfortable and why? When you figure that out, the unease goes

MP
p3nn

On Friday 30 November 2007 11:50:12 Rozee cutrone wrote:
>  Hi james, how are you! yey! we won! ( but what did we win..?)
> ..about the lucid dreaming, I also don't don't have any fear in my
> dreams anymore. I have had the ability to actively change or confront
> darker symbols for years but I haven't though been regularly lucid or
> remembering my dreams on a regular basis for months now, seem to be
> going through a bit of a dark night of the soul. Life has gone a bit
> muddy for me of late.  any suggestions? I'm cruising along ok, but my
> heart just isn't it..(life i mean) I'm on automatic pilot and thats
> ok, as i know 'all that i have is yours my daughter' but gee, it's
> all looking very transparent, which is uncomfortable for me.
>
> --- In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, James Takac <p3nndrag0n@...>
>
> wrote:
> > MM Rozee
> >
> > What I've found is that I have the ability to change anything I
>
> don't like in
>
> > my dreams, e.g. I could turn a destroyer of universes into a bug
>
> and step on
>
> > it. So I no longer find anything to be wary of in my dreams ;)
> >
> > MP
> > p3nn
> >
> > On Thursday 29 November 2007 13:06:29 Rozee cutrone wrote:
> > > Hi james , makes a big difference thats for sure. if i'm lucid i'm
> > > well aware that the darker side is another fascinating world to
> > > explore, and i've rarely been afraid. once though, while lucid, i
> > > came across a very twisted 'soul'? thinking it was a character in
>
> my
>
> > > dream, i approached and asked what who it was. I then got the
>
> feeling
>
> > > that it wasn't part of my psyche!!!Not sure what it was but i just
> > > knew i had to get out of the way!
> > >
> > > -- In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, James Takac <p3nndrag0n@>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > MM Patrick
> > > >
> > > > A good few of us are aware of the fact we're dreaming when we're
> > >
> > > dreaming,
> > >
> > > > i.e. lucid dreamers
> > > >
> > > > MP
> > > > p3nn
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday 29 November 2007 02:36:34 patameejuly wrote:
> > > > > -- Last night I had a dream about a ghost coming into my room
>
> and
>
> > > > > pulling off my blanket while in my dream I was trying to
>
> sleep.  I
>
> > > > > wasn't aware I was dreaming, of course who is aware of
>
> themselves
>
> > > > > dreaming, anyway I felt this ghost pulling off my blanket and
>
> all
>
> > > of
> > >
> > > > > a sudden I woke up realizing that was just a dream.  I wasn't
> > >
> > > scared
> > >
> > > > > or anything because I am not really afraid of ghosts.
> > > > >
> > > > > - In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <annokig@> wrote:
> > > > > > One reason it might scare me, is that the old Christian
> > > > > > Archetypes are so deeply ingrained intellectually.  I still
> > > > > > have a hard time saying I dont beleive in the Creator God or
> > > > > > the Big Boogeyman or the  Catholic Church ... but in my
> > > > > > heart I know what I know.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hugs
> > > > > > Ann
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   _____
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > [mailto:GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:51 AM
> > > > > > To: GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [GnosticThought] Re: Light and Dark
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Brenda <brenda@geekcom. <mailto:brenda%40geekcom.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > one night i had a lucid dream
> > > > > > > > where i saw this transparent glowing red
> > > > > > > > entity, that at first i thought "the devil"
> > > > > > > > having been raised Christian, but on closer
> > > > > > > > look at the face, it was a silent bliss,
> > > > > > > > a quietness that refused to answer questions,
> > > > > > > > nothing to say, nothing to teach, just
> > > > > > > > there and smiling, I could go all the way
> > > > > > > > around and the entity never moved or changed
> > > > > > > > expression, like a giant glowing sour patch
> > > > > > > > kid or something.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > G n o s t i c T o m
> > > > > > > > http://www.geocitie
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <http://www.geocities.com/gnostictom/> s.com/gnostictom/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tom,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > One night when I was in my 20's a glowing
> > > > > > > golden being started to
> > > > > > > appear before my eyes. It scared me so bad and
> > > > > > > it disappeared. LOL.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Brenda
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Everyone,
> > > > > > I wonder why these things tend to scare us?
> > > > > > Is it just the old fear of the dark/fear of the
> > > > > > unknown? Something left over from the millions of
> > > > > > years when we were small creachers clinging to
> > > > > > tree limbs through the night when anything
> > > > > > appearing out of the dark might eat us? Or is
> > > > > > there some real danger that can jump out at us
> > > > > > from 12d?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ken
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > The only tyrant I accept in the world is the still small voice
> > >
> > > within me
> > >
> > > > Mhatma Gandhi
> >
> > --
> > All the races and tribes in the world are like the different
>
> colored flowers
>
> > of one meadow. All are beautiful. As children of the Creator they
>
> must all be
>
> > respected."
> >
> > Anon



--
Subhuti, what do you think? Is the Tathagata to be recognized by some material
characteristic? No, World-honored One; the  Tathagata cannot be  recognized
by any material characteristic. Wherefore? Because the  Tathagata has said
that material characteristics are not, in fact, material characteristics.
Buddha said:  Subhuti,  wheresoever are material characteristics there is
delusion; but whoso perceives that all characteristics are in fact
no-characteristics, perceives the Tathagata.

Dharmapada
Section V. Understanding the Ultimate Principle of Reality

--- rosiolady@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 11/29/2007 10:40:55 A.M.
> Pacific Standard Time,
> gnostictom@... writes:
>
> is it  possible that some magic is actually
> real even if you refuse to believe in  it?
>
>
> G n o s t i c . T o  m
> http://www.geocities.com/gnostictom/
>
>
>
> Maybe, but the magician has his/her free will
> and I have mine.  I need  not
> accept another's magic, IMO--no, I doubt that
> it can in some way reach out  and
> grab me.
>
> For example, I can go to a "power place"
> someone has identified, and  it may
> indeed be a power place for them, but I might
> be impervious to  it--depends.
>
> Rosalie

Hi Rosalie and Tom,
IMO real magic, magic that actually works, is
just something natural that we lack the science
to understand. Like this computer would be 200
years ago.

Ken

hey james, (was referring to the election, but lol.) yes, very
uncomfortable lately. It might be that my
attention is too focused on 'the appearance' and moved away from the
bigger picture.  actually, i stopped the world and got off for a
while and am walking about, pretending it all means something, when
it means absolutely nothing to me right now. I don't want to hurt
peoples feelings by saying the classic, "hey, tell someone who
cares". I'm getting no resistance though. Every basic need i attend
to is given the green light. What do you make of it? am i in limbo or
something?

--- In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, James Takac <p3nndrag0n@...>
wrote:
>
> MM Rozee
>
> Enjoying a 4 day weekend for a change ;) What have we won? Freedom
from
> fear ;)
>
> My understanding is that lucidity in a dream is a choice, i.e. we
can choose
> to be lucid when we know how. Or we can choose to just go along for
the ride.
> Lately I've just gone along for the ride to see where it goes
>
> If it seems uncomfortable to you, maybe need to ask yourself what
it is that
> feels uncomfortable and why? When you figure that out, the unease
goes
>
> MP
> p3nn
>
> On Friday 30 November 2007 11:50:12 Rozee cutrone wrote:
> >  Hi james, how are you! yey! we won! ( but what did we win..?)
> > ..about the lucid dreaming, I also don't don't have any fear in my
> > dreams anymore. I have had the ability to actively change or
confront
> > darker symbols for years but I haven't though been regularly
lucid or
> > remembering my dreams on a regular basis for months now, seem to
be
> > going through a bit of a dark night of the soul. Life has gone a
bit
> > muddy for me of late.  any suggestions? I'm cruising along ok,
but my
> > heart just isn't it..(life i mean) I'm on automatic pilot and
thats
> > ok, as i know 'all that i have is yours my daughter' but gee, it's
> > all looking very transparent, which is uncomfortable for me.
> >
> > --- In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, James Takac <p3nndrag0n@>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > MM Rozee
> > >
> > > What I've found is that I have the ability to change anything I
> >
> > don't like in
> >
> > > my dreams, e.g. I could turn a destroyer of universes into a bug
> >
> > and step on
> >
> > > it. So I no longer find anything to be wary of in my dreams ;)
> > >
> > > MP
> > > p3nn
> > >
> > > On Thursday 29 November 2007 13:06:29 Rozee cutrone wrote:
> > > > Hi james , makes a big difference thats for sure. if i'm
lucid i'm
> > > > well aware that the darker side is another fascinating world
to
> > > > explore, and i've rarely been afraid. once though, while
lucid, i
> > > > came across a very twisted 'soul'? thinking it was a
character in
> >
> > my
> >
> > > > dream, i approached and asked what who it was. I then got the
> >
> > feeling
> >
> > > > that it wasn't part of my psyche!!!Not sure what it was but i
just
> > > > knew i had to get out of the way!
> > > >
> > > > -- In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, James Takac
<p3nndrag0n@>
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > MM Patrick
> > > > >
> > > > > A good few of us are aware of the fact we're dreaming when
we're
> > > >
> > > > dreaming,
> > > >
> > > > > i.e. lucid dreamers
> > > > >
> > > > > MP
> > > > > p3nn
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thursday 29 November 2007 02:36:34 patameejuly wrote:
> > > > > > -- Last night I had a dream about a ghost coming into my
room
> >
> > and
> >
> > > > > > pulling off my blanket while in my dream I was trying to
> >
> > sleep.  I
> >
> > > > > > wasn't aware I was dreaming, of course who is aware of
> >
> > themselves
> >
> > > > > > dreaming, anyway I felt this ghost pulling off my blanket
and
> >
> > all
> >
> > > > of
> > > >
> > > > > > a sudden I woke up realizing that was just a dream.  I
wasn't
> > > >
> > > > scared
> > > >
> > > > > > or anything because I am not really afraid of ghosts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <annokig@>
wrote:
> > > > > > > One reason it might scare me, is that the old Christian
> > > > > > > Archetypes are so deeply ingrained intellectually.  I
still
> > > > > > > have a hard time saying I dont beleive in the Creator
God or
> > > > > > > the Big Boogeyman or the  Catholic Church ... but in my
> > > > > > > heart I know what I know.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hugs
> > > > > > > Ann
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   _____
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:51 AM
> > > > > > > To: GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [GnosticThought] Re: Light and Dark
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- Brenda <brenda@geekcom. <mailto:brenda%
40geekcom.com>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > one night i had a lucid dream
> > > > > > > > > where i saw this transparent glowing red
> > > > > > > > > entity, that at first i thought "the devil"
> > > > > > > > > having been raised Christian, but on closer
> > > > > > > > > look at the face, it was a silent bliss,
> > > > > > > > > a quietness that refused to answer questions,
> > > > > > > > > nothing to say, nothing to teach, just
> > > > > > > > > there and smiling, I could go all the way
> > > > > > > > > around and the entity never moved or changed
> > > > > > > > > expression, like a giant glowing sour patch
> > > > > > > > > kid or something.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > G n o s t i c T o m
> > > > > > > > > http://www.geocitie
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <http://www.geocities.com/gnostictom/> s.com/gnostictom/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tom,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > One night when I was in my 20's a glowing
> > > > > > > > golden being started to
> > > > > > > > appear before my eyes. It scared me so bad and
> > > > > > > > it disappeared. LOL.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Brenda
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Everyone,
> > > > > > > I wonder why these things tend to scare us?
> > > > > > > Is it just the old fear of the dark/fear of the
> > > > > > > unknown? Something left over from the millions of
> > > > > > > years when we were small creachers clinging to
> > > > > > > tree limbs through the night when anything
> > > > > > > appearing out of the dark might eat us? Or is
> > > > > > > there some real danger that can jump out at us
> > > > > > > from 12d?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ken
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > The only tyrant I accept in the world is the still small
voice
> > > >
> > > > within me
> > > >
> > > > > Mhatma Gandhi
> > >
> > > --
> > > All the races and tribes in the world are like the different
> >
> > colored flowers
> >
> > > of one meadow. All are beautiful. As children of the Creator
they
> >
> > must all be
> >
> > > respected."
> > >
> > > Anon
>
>
>
> --
> Subhuti, what do you think? Is the Tathagata to be recognized by
some material
> characteristic? No, World-honored One; the  Tathagata cannot be
recognized
> by any material characteristic. Wherefore? Because the  Tathagata
has said
> that material characteristics are not, in fact, material
characteristics.
> Buddha said:  Subhuti,  wheresoever are material characteristics
there is
> delusion; but whoso perceives that all characteristics are in fact
> no-characteristics, perceives the Tathagata.
>
> Dharmapada
> Section V. Understanding the Ultimate Principle of Reality
>

yes that was the way I interpreted it also... All is One..

Ann

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From: GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com
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rosiolady@...
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:33 PM
To: GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [GnosticThought] Gospel of Thomas Saying 15




In a message dated 11/29/2007 5:31:14 A.M. Pacific Standard
Time,
annokig@comcast. <mailto:annokig%40comcast.net> net writes:

The soul of
every human being that has ever existed , exists at present,
or that will ever exist comes from the great soul of Adam
Kadmon.

Sounds to me a bit like saying Adam Kadmon is the part of
The Source or The
All that human spirits come from, that is, if The All exists
in parts. Oh
well, it just would be a human's way of looking at that
which in Truth is
unified, not in subdivisions.

Rosalie

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Farts. they keep me humble.

--- In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Settimo" <todd@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, "Brenda" <brenda@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, "Rozee cutrone"
> > <itsallrozee@> wrote:
> > >
> > >  oh funny exchange! don't know what it's about but you've
cheered me
> > > up.(love fart humour unfortunately)
> >
> >
> > Rozee,
> >
> > LOL. My kids think fart is the funniest word in the English
language.
> >
> >
> > Brenda
> >
>
> My daughter thinks fart is the funniest word and the action is even
> funnier. She loves to watch my inevitable reaction when I read to
her
> at night and she slips off a silent one. Phew!!!
>
> --
> Best,
> Todd
>
> http://www.bagendpress.com
> http://www.amazon.com
>
>
> The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do
> not expect to sit.
> --Nelson Henderson
>

MM Rozee

LOL about the election

Sounds like to me that you're basically re-evaluating things. Many become
uncomfortable when they reach this phase as it oft means many cherished
notions get thrown out. And most hate to loose something they cherish. Many
are just afraid of the uncertainty of what they may find as well. I'm at the
place where the destination no longer matters. My way of looking at it is who
cares where I'm going, I'll get there when I get there and enjoy the scenery
in the mean time ;) I'm no longer uncomfortable with these things as I worked
out what made me uncomfortable long ago and worked out it really amounted to
nothing

MP
p3nn

On Friday 30 November 2007 12:18:06 Rozee cutrone wrote:
>  hey james, (was referring to the election, but lol.) yes, very
> uncomfortable lately. It might be that my
> attention is too focused on 'the appearance' and moved away from the
> bigger picture.  actually, i stopped the world and got off for a
> while and am walking about, pretending it all means something, when
> it means absolutely nothing to me right now. I don't want to hurt
> peoples feelings by saying the classic, "hey, tell someone who
> cares". I'm getting no resistance though. Every basic need i attend
> to is given the green light. What do you make of it? am i in limbo or
> something?
>
> --- In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, James Takac <p3nndrag0n@...>
>
> wrote:
> > MM Rozee
> >
> > Enjoying a 4 day weekend for a change ;) What have we won? Freedom
>
> from
>
> > fear ;)
> >
> > My understanding is that lucidity in a dream is a choice, i.e. we
>
> can choose
>
> > to be lucid when we know how. Or we can choose to just go along for
>
> the ride.
>
> > Lately I've just gone along for the ride to see where it goes
> >
> > If it seems uncomfortable to you, maybe need to ask yourself what
>
> it is that
>
> > feels uncomfortable and why? When you figure that out, the unease
>
> goes
>
> > MP
> > p3nn
> >
> > On Friday 30 November 2007 11:50:12 Rozee cutrone wrote:
> > >  Hi james, how are you! yey! we won! ( but what did we win..?)
> > > ..about the lucid dreaming, I also don't don't have any fear in my
> > > dreams anymore. I have had the ability to actively change or
>
> confront
>
> > > darker symbols for years but I haven't though been regularly
>
> lucid or
>
> > > remembering my dreams on a regular basis for months now, seem to
>
> be
>
> > > going through a bit of a dark night of the soul. Life has gone a
>
> bit
>
> > > muddy for me of late.  any suggestions? I'm cruising along ok,
>
> but my
>
> > > heart just isn't it..(life i mean) I'm on automatic pilot and
>
> thats
>
> > > ok, as i know 'all that i have is yours my daughter' but gee, it's
> > > all looking very transparent, which is uncomfortable for me.
> > >
> > > --- In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, James Takac <p3nndrag0n@>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > MM Rozee
> > > >
> > > > What I've found is that I have the ability to change anything I
> > >
> > > don't like in
> > >
> > > > my dreams, e.g. I could turn a destroyer of universes into a bug
> > >
> > > and step on
> > >
> > > > it. So I no longer find anything to be wary of in my dreams ;)
> > > >
> > > > MP
> > > > p3nn
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday 29 November 2007 13:06:29 Rozee cutrone wrote:
> > > > > Hi james , makes a big difference thats for sure. if i'm
>
> lucid i'm
>
> > > > > well aware that the darker side is another fascinating world
>
> to
>
> > > > > explore, and i've rarely been afraid. once though, while
>
> lucid, i
>
> > > > > came across a very twisted 'soul'? thinking it was a
>
> character in
>
> > > my
> > >
> > > > > dream, i approached and asked what who it was. I then got the
> > >
> > > feeling
> > >
> > > > > that it wasn't part of my psyche!!!Not sure what it was but i
>
> just
>
> > > > > knew i had to get out of the way!
> > > > >
> > > > > -- In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, James Takac
>
> <p3nndrag0n@>
>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > MM Patrick
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A good few of us are aware of the fact we're dreaming when
>
> we're
>
> > > > > dreaming,
> > > > >
> > > > > > i.e. lucid dreamers
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MP
> > > > > > p3nn
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thursday 29 November 2007 02:36:34 patameejuly wrote:
> > > > > > > -- Last night I had a dream about a ghost coming into my
>
> room
>
> > > and
> > >
> > > > > > > pulling off my blanket while in my dream I was trying to
> > >
> > > sleep.  I
> > >
> > > > > > > wasn't aware I was dreaming, of course who is aware of
> > >
> > > themselves
> > >
> > > > > > > dreaming, anyway I felt this ghost pulling off my blanket
>
> and
>
> > > all
> > >
> > > > > of
> > > > >
> > > > > > > a sudden I woke up realizing that was just a dream.  I
>
> wasn't
>
> > > > > scared
> > > > >
> > > > > > > or anything because I am not really afraid of ghosts.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <annokig@>
>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > One reason it might scare me, is that the old Christian
> > > > > > > > Archetypes are so deeply ingrained intellectually.  I
>
> still
>
> > > > > > > > have a hard time saying I dont beleive in the Creator
>
> God or
>
> > > > > > > > the Big Boogeyman or the  Catholic Church ... but in my
> > > > > > > > heart I know what I know.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hugs
> > > > > > > > Ann
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >   _____
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > [mailto:GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:51 AM
> > > > > > > > To: GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [GnosticThought] Re: Light and Dark
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- Brenda <brenda@geekcom. <mailto:brenda%
>
> 40geekcom.com>
>
> > > > > > > > com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > one night i had a lucid dream
> > > > > > > > > > where i saw this transparent glowing red
> > > > > > > > > > entity, that at first i thought "the devil"
> > > > > > > > > > having been raised Christian, but on closer
> > > > > > > > > > look at the face, it was a silent bliss,
> > > > > > > > > > a quietness that refused to answer questions,
> > > > > > > > > > nothing to say, nothing to teach, just
> > > > > > > > > > there and smiling, I could go all the way
> > > > > > > > > > around and the entity never moved or changed
> > > > > > > > > > expression, like a giant glowing sour patch
> > > > > > > > > > kid or something.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > G n o s t i c T o m
> > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocitie
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > <http://www.geocities.com/gnostictom/> s.com/gnostictom/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tom,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > One night when I was in my 20's a glowing
> > > > > > > > > golden being started to
> > > > > > > > > appear before my eyes. It scared me so bad and
> > > > > > > > > it disappeared. LOL.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Brenda
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Everyone,
> > > > > > > > I wonder why these things tend to scare us?
> > > > > > > > Is it just the old fear of the dark/fear of the
> > > > > > > > unknown? Something left over from the millions of
> > > > > > > > years when we were small creachers clinging to
> > > > > > > > tree limbs through the night when anything
> > > > > > > > appearing out of the dark might eat us? Or is
> > > > > > > > there some real danger that can jump out at us
> > > > > > > > from 12d?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ken
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > The only tyrant I accept in the world is the still small
>
> voice
>
> > > > > within me
> > > > >
> > > > > > Mhatma Gandhi
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > All the races and tribes in the world are like the different
> > >
> > > colored flowers
> > >
> > > > of one meadow. All are beautiful. As children of the Creator
>
> they
>
> > > must all be
> > >
> > > > respected."
> > > >
> > > > Anon
> >
> > --
> > Subhuti, what do you think? Is the Tathagata to be recognized by
>
> some material
>
> > characteristic? No, World-honored One; the  Tathagata cannot be
>
> recognized
>
> > by any material characteristic. Wherefore? Because the  Tathagata
>
> has said
>
> > that material characteristics are not, in fact, material
>
> characteristics.
>
> > Buddha said:  Subhuti,  wheresoever are material characteristics
>
> there is
>
> > delusion; but whoso perceives that all characteristics are in fact
> > no-characteristics, perceives the Tathagata.
> >
> > Dharmapada
> > Section V. Understanding the Ultimate Principle of Reality



--
Behold the One in all things. It is the second that leads
you astray.

Kabir

MM Rozee

They just take my breath away LOL

MP
p3nn

On Friday 30 November 2007 12:25:37 Rozee cutrone wrote:
>  Farts. they keep me humble.
>
> --- In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Settimo" <todd@...>
>
> wrote:
> > --- In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, "Brenda" <brenda@> wrote:
> > > --- In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, "Rozee cutrone"
> > >
> > > <itsallrozee@> wrote:
> > > >  oh funny exchange! don't know what it's about but you've
>
> cheered me
>
> > > > up.(love fart humour unfortunately)
> > >
> > > Rozee,
> > >
> > > LOL. My kids think fart is the funniest word in the English
>
> language.
>
> > > Brenda
> >
> > My daughter thinks fart is the funniest word and the action is even
> > funnier. She loves to watch my inevitable reaction when I read to
>
> her
>
> > at night and she slips off a silent one. Phew!!!
> >
> > --
> > Best,
> > Todd
> >
> > http://www.bagendpress.com
> > http://www.amazon.com
> >
> >
> > The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do
> > not expect to sit.
> > --Nelson Henderson



--
Paradise is where I am.

- Voltaire (1694-1778)

hello, guys! I'm rushing this one in as i'm late for appointments,
but would rather be posting. On magic, I have found that throughout
my life, i have periods of 'magic' that have amazed and delighted
many children. I have 'asked the angels' to calm down the wind at a
birthday party, (playfully) and asked the kids to do it with me,
quietly in their hearts, ...to the sideways glance of other
adults...and i can tell you i was thinking, "oh shit" and the wind
calmed down for the rest of the party.  I could hear kids talking
amongst themselves about how the angels stopped the wind. this is
just one example. My son was going on a school excursion but he was
ill the night before. I told him to ask his angels to help him get
well, and see what happens. The following morning i was woken up
early to my sons gorgeous face saying "mum mum!! look! i'm not sick!
it worked, i can go!" It was a magic moment! I have many many
kids/angels moments. will you believe me if i say it has never failed?

signed rozee aka mary poppins.


--- In GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com, rosiolady@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 11/29/2007 10:40:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> gnostictom@... writes:
>
> is it  possible that some magic is actually
> real even if you refuse to believe in  it?
>
>
> G n o s t i c . T o  m
> http://www.geocities.com/gnostictom/
>
>
>
> Maybe, but the magician has his/her free will and I have mine.  I
need  not
> accept another's magic, IMO--no, I doubt that it can in some way
reach out  and
> grab me.
>
> For example, I can go to a "power place" someone has identified,
and  it may
> indeed be a power place for them, but I might be impervious to  it--
depends.
>
> Rosalie
>
>
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