Hi

I think my gordon family might have lived in Cekiske in late
1700's/early 1800's, has anyone done any research on that town. I also
think my lebowitz family could have come from there as well, anyone
got any info?

Thanks
Julian

--- In JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com, "julian" <julianlebowitz@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I think my gordon family might have lived in Cekiske in late
> 1700's/early 1800's, has anyone done any research on that town. I also
> think my lebowitz family could have come from there as well, anyone
> got any info?
>
> Thanks
> Julian
>
Julian, the Jewish Family History Foundation's Grand Duchy of
Lithuania Project has 18th (and 17th century records) for almost every
Jewish kahal (community) in Lithuania and Belarus. See our
alphabetical list of towns. We not only have a 1784 and 1765
poll-tax/census list for Cekiske, but also for Keidan.

Since Jews did not have surnames in the 18th century, it is important
to identify you ancestors on early 19th century revision lists where
they do have surnames, and hopefully some of them will have been old
enough to have been alive and on the 1784 census lists.

Again fortunately, on our webpage you will find an 1816 revision list
for Cekiske.

Access to the 18th century records for Cekiske (see Status of Projects
on our homepage) has been translated, but will be limited to donors
for nearly a year. If you find your family on the 1816 revision list,
and are interested in making a contribution to the Cekiske project,
you can receive an excel spreadsheet of the data now.

David Hoffman, Ph.D.
www.jewishfamilyhistory.org
GDLProject@...

-----Original Message-----
From: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com [mailto:JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of julian
Sent: 01 December 2006 04:40
To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [JewishKeidan] Gordon family in Keidan may have come from Cekiske

Hi

I think my gordon family might have lived in Cekiske in late
1700's/early 1800's, has anyone done any research on that town. I also
think my lebowitz family could have come from there as well, anyone
got any info?

Thanks
Julian

Thanks Ronald
I am originally from South Africa, been in Canada for
6 years
My grandfather was Michael gordon, is he in your
family tree. I believe his great grandfather was
Girsh/Hirsh gordon

Thanks
Julian
--- Dr Asherson <ashron@...> wrote:

> The Gordon family from Neustadt (Naumiestis Sigund)
> originally came from
> Gordomy and theiir name was originally Gordom....It
> was changed between
> 1816 - 1825 to Gordon However some members of the
> family still retained the
> name Gordom..The descendants are now in the USA,
> S.Africa,Canada and
> Australia...We have geneology going back to
> 1765....Prof Ronald Asherson,
> Johannesburg, South Africa

>

Thanks David
Please let me know how to apply and costs
(Seems the website is notrunning currently, when i
tried to use search function

Thanks
Julian
--- David <GDLProject@...> wrote:

> --- In JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com, "julian"
> <julianlebowitz@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I think my gordon family might have lived in
> Cekiske in late
> > 1700's/early 1800's, has anyone done any research
> on that town. I also
> > think my lebowitz family could have come from
> there as well, anyone
> > got any info?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Julian
> >
> Julian, the Jewish Family History Foundation's Grand
> Duchy of
> Lithuania Project has 18th (and 17th century
> records) for almost every
> Jewish kahal (community) in Lithuania and Belarus.
> See our
> alphabetical list of towns. We not only have a 1784
> and 1765
> poll-tax/census list for Cekiske, but also for
> Keidan.
>
> Since Jews did not have surnames in the 18th
> century, it is important
> to identify you ancestors on early 19th century
> revision lists where
> they do have surnames, and hopefully some of them
> will have been old
> enough to have been alive and on the 1784 census
> lists.
>
> Again fortunately, on our webpage you will find an
> 1816 revision list
> for Cekiske.
>
> Access to the 18th century records for Cekiske (see
> Status of Projects
> on our homepage) has been translated, but will be
> limited to donors
> for nearly a year. If you find your family on the
> 1816 revision list,
> and are interested in making a contribution to the
> Cekiske project,
> you can receive an excel spreadsheet of the data
> now.
>
> David Hoffman, Ph.D.
> www.jewishfamilyhistory.org
> GDLProject@...
>
>

Is Crottingen not Kretinga?

Harvey L Kaplan

Glasgow, Scotland

KAPLAN,FAYN,FEIN,FINE,BARSD,GRADMAN
- Ariogala, Josvainiai, Kedainiai, Krakes, Seta, Veliuona, Grinkiskis, Lithuania

Hi

Am wondering whether anybody on this group has knowledge of the Mogel
Family.  According to the Jewishgen Website Max Mogel was buried in
the Keidan Burial Plot Mount Hebron New York.  I'm especially
interested in Dovra nee Aaronfsky and Yitzhak Mogel.


Many thanks

Belinda Kaye
London

----- Original Message -----

From: belinda.kaye

To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 9:35 AM

Subject: [JewishKeidan] Mogel Family

Hi

Am wondering whether anybody on this group has knowledge of the Mogel
Family. According to the Jewishgen Website Max Mogel was buried in
the Keidan Burial Plot Mount Hebron New York. I'm especially
interested in Dovra nee Aaronfsky and Yitzhak Mogel.

Many thanks

Belinda Kaye
London

----- Original Message -----

From: Gus Levy

To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 12:41 AM

Subject: Re: [JewishKeidan] Mogel Family

Dear Belinda"

 

Perhaps this might help you re: Max Mogel - - -

 

He definitely is buried in the "Chevra Bnei Israel Anshe Keidan" (Congregation

Sons of Israel the People of Keidan) in Block 57, Mt. Hebron Cemetery,

 

He died Nov. 23rd, 1942 age 69. His Hebrew name was Mordechai Alter

ben Yisrael Yitzchak.

 

His wife Celia Mogel is buried in the adjacent Kovner Verein. She died

December 22, 1944, at the age of 65. Her Hebrew name was

Tzipa bat Binvamin Zev Halevi

 

I have no knowledge of Dvora or Yitzhak Mogel. To the best of my knowledge neither is buried in the "main"  Keidaner burial grounds in Mt. Washington Cemetery, Brooklyn, New York. Is it possible that Yitzhak Mogel is the father of Max?

 

I hope this helps you.

 

Gus Levy

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: belinda.kaye

To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 9:35 AM

Subject: [JewishKeidan] Mogel Family

Hi

Am wondering whether anybody on this group has knowledge of the Mogel
Family. According to the Jewishgen Website Max Mogel was buried in
the Keidan Burial Plot Mount Hebron New York. I'm especially
interested in Dovra nee Aaronfsky and Yitzhak Mogel.

Many thanks

Belinda Kaye
London

On Thu Mar 8, 2007 6:45 am (PST) belinda.kaye@... wrote:

  > Am wondering whether anybody on this group has knowledge of the Mogel
  > Family. According to the Jewishgen Website Max Mogel was buried in
  > the Keidan Burial Plot Mount Hebron New York. I'm especially
  > interested in Dovra nee Aaronfsky and Yitzhak Mogel.

Chances are that Max MOGEL's mother, Dora ARONOFSKY was originally from
Kaunas or Vilijampole.  Burials in the Keidaner plot at Mt. Hebron Cemetery
are apparently not what they appear to be.  This is a long and complex
story that I will relate here.  Relate yes, but figure out, no.

I am the person who cataloged Chevra Bnei Israel Anshe Keidan, Block 57,
Path 2 at Mt. Hebron Cemetery as well as the immediately adjacent Kovner
Unterstizungs Verein, Block 57, Path 3.  The boundary line between these
two societies is very clearly delineated and demarcated with posts and from
a visual standpoint there is no way that anyone could get the burials in
one society mixed up with the other, as there often can be with other New
York area burial societies where the boundary may not be so clear.

However, from the start there has been an inexplicable problem with these
two plots.  Max MOGEL is in the Keidaner plot, but his wife Celia is in the
adjacent Kovner plot.  Abraham CHASEN is in the Keidaner plot, but his
parents, Vandziogala natives Gersen and Rose CHASEN, are in the Kovner
plot.  Morris and Rachel EPSTEIN are in the Keidaner plot but their sons
Barney, Herman, Isidor and Samuel are in the Kovner plot.   Nettie FINE is
in the Keidaner plot, but her husband Hyman is in the Kovner plot.  Fannie
GELLER is in the Keidaner plot, but her husband Koppel is in the Kovner
plot.  Aaron KAHN is in the Keidaner plot, but his wife Sarah R. is in the
Kovner plot.  Gussie KATZ is in the Keidaner plot, but her parents Louis
and Rachel and her sister Fay are in the Kovner plot.  Jennie LEVINE is in
the Keidaner plot, but her husband Isaac is in the Kovner plot.  Boris
LUSKIN is in the Keidaner plot, but his wife Celia is in the Kovner
plot.  Rachel PORTER is in the Keidaner plot, but her parents Jack and
Sarah are in the Kovner plot.  Simon SHIFMAN and his son Samuel are in the
Keidaner plot, but Simon's wife and Samuel's mother Tillie is in the Kovner
plot.  Jennie SMITH and her son Irving are in the Keidaner plot, but
Jennie's husband and Irving's father Morris is in the Kovner plot.  Samuel
TELZER is in the Keidaner plot, but his wife Sophie and his brothers
Abraham and Louis are in the Kovner plot.  There may be a few other cases
like this as well, but I've more than made the point that something strange
is going on here.

These two societies are both defunct so there's no way of asking them
what's the story.  Nor does the cemetery have any answers.  So in all my
previous lectures on New York Jewish cemeteries I've been saying that the
land on which the Keidaner plot sits probably once belonged only to the
Kovner society,  which is by far the larger of the two societies, and that
the Kovner plot was subsequently subdivided into two separate plots to
accommodate the Keidaner society.

When I originally cataloged the Keidaner plot, it had a total of 49
burials.  However, it now has only 27 burials.  For the JewishGen Online
Worldwide Burial Registry (JOWBR), within the past two weeks I have
transferred 22 burials in the Keidaner plot over to the adjacent Kovner
plot, including Max MOGEL and all of the other Keidaner burials mentioned
above (plus a few others).  No, the burials certainly have not been
physically moved or reinterred.  The reason is because according to Mt.
Hebron's Cemetery's new online interment database at
http://www.mounthebroncemetery.com/search.asp?type=interment, Max MOGEL and
all of the other people mentioned above are in the Kovner plot.  Yes, these
particular graves physically look like they are in the Keidaner plot, but
according to the cemetery database they are in the the Kovner plot and the
cemetery would certainly know better than I because presumably they have
the deed to the plots.

The Kovner plot is competely full with no room for more burials, whereas
there is plenty of room in the Keidaner plot.  So one can argue that when
the Kovner plot got filled up, the society used the adjacent Keidaner plot
for subsequent Kovner society burials.  However, that theory doesn't hold
water because Rachel PORTER who died in 1931 is buried on the grounds of
the Keidaner plot, but her father Jack who died close to 40 years later, in
1970, is buried in the Kovner plot.  Plus Max and Celia MOGEL died within
two years of each other, in 1942 and 1944, respectively, and are buried on
the grounds of the Keidaner and Kovner plots, respectively.  So I don't get
it, I don't get it, I don't get it.  Nor will I try any longer to get
it.  Even though Max MOGEL is physically on the grounds of the Keidaner
society, if the cemetery database says that he's in the Kovner UV plot with
his wife Celia, then so it is.

Thus the point that I want to make is that Max MOGEL was most likely not
from Keidan.  The surname of his mother, ARONOFSKY is found most frequently
in Kaunas and Vilijampole, although it's found in other Kaunas district
shtetls as well, including Ariogala.  Check the LitvakSIG All Lithuania
Database.  Variant spellings of the same surname are ARANOVSKY, ARENOVSKI,
and ARINOVSKY, amongst others. The ending "SKI" can also be "SKIJ".

Max MOGEL's original surname may have been MAGULEVSKY (and spelling
variants).  There were families with this surname from Ariogala and
Dotnuva.  Or his surname may have been MEYGEL, which is a family from
Cekiske.  His wife Celia's maiden name was NAVIASKY (NEVIAZKY, NEVIAZHSKY,
NEVYAZHSKIJ), which is found primarily in Kaunas, but to a lesser extent in
Vilijampole and Josvainiai.

Hopefully this will point you in the right direction to look in the All
Lithuania Database, but all evidence indicates that neither Max MOGEL nor
his mother nor his wife were from Keidan and the first place you probably
should look for the family of his mother and his wife is Kaunas and
Vilijampole.

Ada Green
adagreen@...

----- Original Message -----

From: Belinda Kaye

To:

---

To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
From: w2lap@...
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 12:33:29 -0500
Subject: Re: [JewishKeidan] Mogel Family

I see where you got an answer from Ada Green, who really knows her Keiden history. She is the one to carry on. Indeed, she mentioned where Dora's family came from (not Keidan). I took the liberty of contacting Mt. Carmel for you. No Mogel is interred there.

 

If you wish to contact Washington Cemetery (NOT Mt. Washington, I erred) the address is Washington Cemetery, 5400 Bay Parkway, Brooklyn, NY 11230.

 

Listen to Ada, she is a champ on this.

 

Gus.

----- Original Message -----

From: Belinda Kaye

To:

Dear Ada

Thank you so much for such a detailed reply.  Obviously living in
London I had no idea about the confusion over the different society
Plots.  However if you don't understand what went on at the cemetery
I'm not even going to try to figure it out from here.

I will take your advice and who knows I may even find the origins to
Dvora and Yitzhak - my Great Great Grandparents.

On a more personal note I wish to take this opportunity to thank you
for your fantastic work and extensive research.  I had no previous
knowledge of Max Mogel which in turn lead me to Dvora and her other
children in the USA.

Once again thank you so much.

Belinda Kaye
Researching Mogel Aaronosky Kravitz - Lithuania

There is also a Keidan section of a cemetery in Queens, NY.

---

To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
From: w2lap@verizon.net
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 12:33:29 -0500
Subject: Re: [JewishKeidan] Mogel Family

I see where you got an answer from Ada Green, who really knows her Keiden history. She is the one to carry on. Indeed, she mentioned where Dora's family came from (not Keidan). I took the liberty of contacting Mt. Carmel for you. No Mogel is interred there.

 

If you wish to contact Washington Cemetery (NOT Mt. Washington, I erred) the address is Washington Cemetery, 5400 Bay Parkway, Brooklyn, NY 11230.

 

Listen to Ada, she is a champ on this.

 

Gus.

----- Original Message -----

From: Belinda Kaye

To:

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I just wrote:

  > I have looked up the New York City death certificate for each pre-1949
burial that has one on
  > file and added the information to the database (see the next paragraph
as to which database
  > I am referring).  That's how I knew that Dora MOGEL's maiden name was
ARONOFSKY
  > because that information is not found on her gravestone.

My thinking cap was tilted.  Since Dora MOGEL's gravestone has not yet been
located, what I meant to say is that her maiden name is not found on her
son Max MOGEL's gravestone.

Ada Green

Thanks very much, Gus and Belinda, for such nice compliments about my
research work on Keidaners buried in US Keidaner burial society plots and
glad it was helpful to both of you.

To those of you who aren't aware, not only did I catalog the burials in the
Keidaner plot at Mt. Hebron Cemetery in Flushing, Queens, NY (which is the
smallest of the Keidaner plots), but also the ones in the all the other
Keidaner plots known to be in existence (3 at Washington Cemetery in
Brooklyn, one at Montefiore Cemetery in St. Albans, Queens, and the Kadaner
Unt. Verein at Waldheim Cemetery in Chicago).

I have also cataloged the burials in the landsmanshaftn plots in the New
York metropolitan area for all towns in the entire Kaunas uyezd that have
them, including Kaunas (Kovno), Vilijampole (Slobodka), Ariogala (Rogale),
Krakes (Krok), Babtai (Bobt), Jonava, Seredzius (Szrednik) and Vilkija
(Vilki).  For all of these particular landsmanshaftn plots, with the
exception of Babtai, Jonava, and Seredzius/Vilkija, I have looked up the
New York City death certificate for each pre-1949 burial that has one on
file and added the information to the database (see the next paragraph as
to which database I am referring).  That's how I knew that Dora MOGEL's
maiden name was ARONOFSKY because that information is not found on her
gravestone.  [Kaunas uyezd towns in the vicinity of Keidan that
unfortunately have no landsmanshaftn plots are Josvainiai, Dotnuva,
Grinkiskis, Cekiske, Labunava, Vandziogala, Veliuona, and Zeimiai.]

These burials can be searched in the JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial
Registry (JOWBR) at http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/ .  The
Keidaner burials are also listed on Andy Cassel's "A Hole In the Heart"
Keidan website at http://www.keidan.net/ , although the information on them
gleaned from the New York City death certificates can be found only in the
JOWBR.

Belinda, your gggm Dora MOGEL, who died in Brooklyn on 4 January 1922 at
the age of 75, is not buried in any of the aforementioned landsmanshaftn
plots -- neither for Keidan, nor Kovno, nor for any of the other shtetls in
Kaunas uyezd.   Please don't assume that just because someone was from a
certain town that they were buried in the landsmanshaftn plot for that
town.  Not only could Jewish immigrants have been buried in a
landsmanshaftn plot that wasn't from the town or even the country that they
hailed from, but they could have been buried in a synagogue plot or some
other type of organizational plot (occupational, labor, fraternal,
etc.).  My gf's sister, Lena GREENBLATT RICEMAN, and her husband Max
RICEMAN, who were both from Seta (Shat), Lithuania (near Keidan), are for
unknown reason buried in a plot for Chomsk, Belarus in Chicago's Waldheim
Cemetery.

So for your own sake please don't spin any more wheels looking for Dora
MOGEL in either Keidan or Kovno plots.  And no need to write Washington
Cemetery in Brooklyn.  I will try to call them on the first day that I will
be home this week during their regular business hours and see if Dora MOGEL
is buried elsewhere in their cemetery.  Gus is correct that she is not
buried in New Mt. Carmel Cemetery.  A search of the Mt. Carmel/New Mt.
Carmel online interment database at
http://www.mountcarmelcemetery.com/search.asp just for the first name Dora
in the year 1922 (regardless of surname) shows only 2 people by that
name.  This is assuming that their database is complete, of course.  I have
no reason to doubt that their database is not complete because out of the 8
burial societies that I have cataloged in Mt. Carmel and New Mt. Carmel
Cemeteries, all the burials are in their online database.

The next time I go to Mt. Hebron Cemetery I will ask the office if they can
show me a plot map for Chevra Bnei Israel Anshe Keidan to see whether it
can shed any further light as to why 22 of the 49 burials in the plot,
including Max MOGEL, are considered part of the adjacent Kovner Unt.
Verein.  Perhaps there's a pattern that I'm not aware of, such as only
those buried in the back row.  Although I don't have any immediate plans to
go to Mt. Hebron in the near future, when I do I will report back here if I
discover the answer to the mystery that I related here several days ago.

Ada Green

----- Original Message -----

Dr.Brian B.Cohen
Sometime Senior Lecturer
Medical Science
University of St.Andrews

information from a newcomer: my father's family starts- david ziv married to
mary rosenthal.their daughter rachael married david cree(krey) and they moved
with their children to dundee in the late 19th century.david's father was
nokhum and his grandfather was zundel. rachel and david 's children were
mary(married nathan gordon),julia or iochabed(married samuel
ronder),annie(married barnet cohen from glasgow-my grandparents)and
nathan(married annie wine).in 1907 when rachael was a widow of 60 she married
rabbi abraham shyne of glasgow who then went to israel(with rachael?).
there is also supposed to be a relationship between annie cree(nee ziv) and
isaac eban the stepfather of the eminent abba. isaac's father and mother were
israel and annie(nee jaffe).annie jaffe's father was harris and her mother 's
maiden name stock.israel eban's father was originally pinchas ziv but he
changed it to eban when he was conscripted into the army(for why?). isaac had
sibs julia,isabella,minnie and philip.
  my father's father barnet cohen was the son of isaac cohen and betsy
shapera(his second wife).betsy was the daughter of samuel shapera and esther
cohen. isaac was the son of barnet cohen and annie belch.barnet(the younger)
had sibs sarah(married jacob fisher)and annie(married jacob appleton).

someone was asking about the name plotz-i have photos from the 1920s-40s of
dr.nathan finn of johannesberg and his daughter isadora.he must have been a
family friend and i think his wife was jane plotz a journalist(?) in s. africa

was this too much for a beginner? there's also my mother's family.....
cheers brian cohen


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I missed the recent reference to the Plotz family. I
don't know if the following information is of any
value. My paternal grandmother was Feiga Ella Leibert
(Ha Levi family) of Keidan. Tobe Plotz married my
grandmother's cousin, Hyman Lubit of Keidan. Dick
Plotz kindly emailed me a chart indicating that the
family moved to New York. My father's old family list
includes the names of Hyman Lubit and his son in law
Samuel Kofsky.
My maternal grandmother was Chaya (Ida) Rogut of
Wilkomir. Tobe's first cousin Chaya Devorah Plotz
married a distant cousin of my grandmother's, Abba
Rogut of Wilkomir.(I'm sure that my parents were
unaware of the Plotz connection) The family moved to
South Africa. Dick Plotz would have more information.

                                 Josh Weinstein


--- bbc@... wrote:

> Dr.Brian B.Cohen
> Sometime Senior Lecturer
> Medical Science
> University of St.Andrews
>
> information from a newcomer: my father's family
> starts- david ziv married to
> mary rosenthal.their daughter rachael married david
> cree(krey) and they moved
> with their children to dundee in the late 19th
> century.david's father was
> nokhum and his grandfather was zundel. rachel and
> david 's children were
> mary(married nathan gordon),julia or
> iochabed(married samuel
> ronder),annie(married barnet cohen from glasgow-my
> grandparents)and
> nathan(married annie wine).in 1907 when rachael was
> a widow of 60 she married
> rabbi abraham shyne of glasgow who then went to
> israel(with rachael?).
> there is also supposed to be a relationship between
> annie cree(nee ziv) and
> isaac eban the stepfather of the eminent abba.
> isaac's father and mother were
> israel and annie(nee jaffe).annie jaffe's father was
> harris and her mother 's
> maiden name stock.israel eban's father was
> originally pinchas ziv but he
> changed it to eban when he was conscripted into the
> army(for why?). isaac had
> sibs julia,isabella,minnie and philip.
>  my father's father barnet cohen was the son of
> isaac cohen and betsy
> shapera(his second wife).betsy was the daughter of
> samuel shapera and esther
> cohen. isaac was the son of barnet cohen and annie
> belch.barnet(the younger)
> had sibs sarah(married jacob fisher)and
> annie(married jacob appleton).
>
> someone was asking about the name plotz-i have
> photos from the 1920s-40s of
> dr.nathan finn of johannesberg and his daughter
> isadora.he must have been a
> family friend and i think his wife was jane plotz a
> journalist(?) in s. africa
>
> was this too much for a beginner? there's also my
> mother's family.....
> cheers brian cohen
>
>
>
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> University of St Andrews Webmail:
> https://webmail.st-andrews.ac.uk
>
>




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I'm looking for any data regarding my grandfather & grandmother
  Haim and sara Belinson or Belinzon  lost in 1941 holocaust.
ond details on my mother untill 1941 up  to 1945 from Keidan,
Lithuania

the name of my mother was baile born in kaigan , she is died in Israel
1980

thanks
Mendel Blecher