A chaidre,

I'm starting an online study and practice chat room for Irish learners
at http://tinychat.com/irishpractice <http://tinychat.com/irishpractice>
.  This is a new group and in need of participents from beginners like
me to experienced teachers.
The goal is to meet on a regular schedule to study and practice Irish
using one or more of the following texts: Buntus Cainte, Progress In
Irish or Learning Irish.

We'll follow the schedule of courses in the following Yahoo  groups:

     *
Buntus   Cainte <../../../../philo-BC-lessons1-15/>

     *
Progress   In Irish <../../../../philoprogress1-15a>

     *
Learning   Irish <../../../>


The only rules are:

     *
This group is non-sectarian and   non-political.

     *
Try to stay on topic as much as   possible.

     *
Keep it clean.

     *
Be polite.

     *
And most of all: HAVE FUN!


I plan to be online every night this week for test runs and to see if
everyone can broadcast audio.  Tonight (September 7) I'll be online
from8:00 PM to 9:00 PM EDT.  Tommorrow and Thursday I'll try to be
online from 9:00 PM to 10:00 PM.

Originally this group was going to be called buntuspractice, but I
decided to not limit it to one text book.  So, the new goups is
http://tinychat.com/irishpractice <http://tinychat.com/irishpractice> .

Please consider dropping in tonight and thank you.

Le meas,

Tomás



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Is foghlaimeoir me, freisin.  I am a learner too.  I tried to log on earlier
and
it didn't work.  Watch your e-mail around 8 EDT - if I can't get in I'll send
you a note.  I hope others can join!  8-9 EDT / 7-8 CST is good.




________________________________
From: irishhermit <bigdogvideo@...>
To: LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, September 7, 2010 3:37:43 PM
Subject: [LearningIrish] Re: Courses

 
Kevin,

I will be online until at least 9:00 PM EDT. If we get people from the
central and mountain time zones I can move my schedule. But tonight I
already planned on 8:00 - 9:00 PM EDT.

I just started this chat room and you are the first and only responder
I've had. I looked through some of the earlier posts of this group and
it seems that online chat rooms were attempted before. Does any one
know how they fared?

By the way, I am a beginner in Irish and still have a limited
vocabulary. So bear with me as I learn.

Le meas,
Tomás

--- In LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Pearson <kevinbpearson@...>
wrote:
>
> A Thomais,
>
> Go raibh maith agat. Is feidir liom chun teacht chuig an chat room ag
a seacht
> a chlog, is docha. Tiocfaidh me sa bhaile ag a ceathru chun a seacht
a chlog,
> de ghnath.
>
> Caoimhin







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Try this address:  http://tinychat.com/irishpractice
I'll watch my email.
Tom

--- In LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Pearson <kevinbpearson@...>
wrote:
>
> Is foghlaimeoir me, freisin.  I am a learner too.  I tried to
log on earlier and
> it didn't work.  Watch your e-mail around 8 EDT - if I can't get
in I'll send
> you a note.  I hope others can join!  8-9 EDT / 7-8 CST is
good.
>
>

Didn't realize you guys were trying for a chat room.  I'll have to stick to
reading posts at this point.  I am still working at 8 eastern time, so the
messages are all I will be able to do.  Although I have noticed that I can read
a bit better in Irish than before, and could figure out the post in Gaelic
before I had to pull out my dictionary.  Keep up the give and take.  It does
work.
Elaine




________________________________
From: Kevin Pearson <kevinbpearson@...>
To: LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, September 7, 2010 5:22:34 PM
Subject: Re: [LearningIrish] Re: Courses


Is foghlaimeoir me, freisin.  I am a learner too.  I tried to log on earlier
and

it didn't work.  Watch your e-mail around 8 EDT - if I can't get in I'll send
you a note.  I hope others can join!  8-9 EDT / 7-8 CST is good.

________________________________
From: irishhermit <bigdogvideo@...>
To: LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, September 7, 2010 3:37:43 PM
Subject: [LearningIrish] Re: Courses

Â
Kevin,

I will be online until at least 9:00 PM EDT. If we get people from the
central and mountain time zones I can move my schedule. But tonight I
already planned on 8:00 - 9:00 PM EDT.

I just started this chat room and you are the first and only responder
I've had. I looked through some of the earlier posts of this group and
it seems that online chat rooms were attempted before. Does any one
know how they fared?

By the way, I am a beginner in Irish and still have a limited
vocabulary. So bear with me as I learn.

Le meas,
Tomás

--- In LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Pearson <kevinbpearson@...>
wrote:
>
> A Thomais,
>
> Go raibh maith agat. Is feidir liom chun teacht chuig an chat room ag
a seacht
> a chlog, is docha. Tiocfaidh me sa bhaile ag a ceathru chun a seacht
a chlog,
> de ghnath.
>
> Caoimhin

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A chairde,

A quick note to bring you up on the status of the Tinychat Irish practice chat
room http://tinychat.com/irishpractice

First, this chat room has no official connection to Philo-Celtic, Learning Irish
or any other Irish teaching organization.  It is strictly my own endeavor.

So that this Yahoo group does not go too far off topic and away from learning
Irish, please direct questions about the chat room to me through my email,
irishhermit@... .

I have also set up a Yahoo group, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IrishPractice ,
to discuss the use of the chat room.  This is where we should discuss  things
such as scheduling, classes, how to log in, etc.

You can also get in touch with me through Yahoo Messenger.  My name is
irishhermit.

Our next scheduled "meeting" is September  14 at 8:30 PM Eastern Time.

Le meas,
Tomás

Well I started my own sire there and I hope I did it right so that we can talk
often.  Please, if you find that I mane any mistakes let me know so I can fix
them.  I'm under Lynn Marie21.  Thanks.

Beannachtai Mhor
  Lynn


From: irishhermit
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 10:10 AM
To: LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LearningIrish] Re: Courses



Kevin and all,

I just started an online chat room at
http://tinychat.com/buntuspractice. The purpose of it is to allow
people to practice speaking Irish using Buntús Cainte and following
the schedule on the Philo-Celtic buntús group.

The reason I chose tinychat is:

* It's free
* It allows audio and video

* You don't have to install any software on your computer
* You don't have to join, login or anything like that (unless you
want to)
* It has a shared document feature where all chatters can read or
edit the same document.
The chat room does not have to be limited to Buntús Cainte only, but
can be open to any other course or text. Such as Progress In Irish,
Learning Irish, etc.

A few years ago I was involved in a similar chat and we found that it
worked best when we followed a schedule and a course.

Please let me know if you are interested. Also, you can go to
http://tinychat.com/buntuspractice at any time and look around. Right
now not much is happening but you can try out the audio and video and
talk to yourself. I will be there tonight, September 7 at 8:00 PM EDT.
Hopefully someone will join me in testing this out.

If we can get enough people interested we can schedule regular meetings.

Le meas,
Tomás

--- In LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com, Shared <kevinbpearson@...> wrote:
>
> I started by listening to Giota Beag and Giota Beag Eile available as
podcasts free on BBC.com. Northern dialect. Then buntus cainte, PII
and Rosetta Stone Irish. I like Rosetta Stone a lot but none of these
replaces a good classroom environment and motivated, like-minded
students.
>
> The thing I would like to find is an Irish language real time chat
room - somewhere that you can communicate and get immediate and reliable
feedback on your progress and mistakes...
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 7, 2010, at 6:13 AM, "bigdogvideo2010" bigdogvideo@... wrote:
>
> > One more thing. Nancy Stetson has workbooks for Learning Irish
> > available for free download at phouka.com
> > <http://www.phouka.com/stenson/intro.htm>
> >
> > TomÃf¡s
> >
> > --- In LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" klriley@ wrote:
> > >
> > > I was wondering what everyone was using to learn Irish? Or have we
> > all given up? I know some here are learning from BuntÃfºs
Cainte or
> > Progress in Irish because I have seen a couple of names from here
> > turning up in the Philo-Celtic posts. If you know nothing of this
but
> > are interested, see the post from about a week ago. If there are a
few
> > people struggling through other books/courses, perhaps we could make
> > this a place where you could ask questions or make comments to help
> > others. It would be good to see this group active again.
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Dear Lynn,

Thank you for your interest in the Tinychat Irish practice chat room.  We've
moved the chat to a new room: http://tinychat.com/irishpractice.  We've also set
up a Yahoo group to support the chat room:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IrishPractice.  Please consider joining it.

You don't need to set up your own chat room to join the Irish practice chat room
(unless you want to).  Just go to http://tinychat.com/IrishPractice and you
should be able to log in to the room.

Our next scheduled meeting is Tuesday, September 14 at 8:30 PM Eastern time.
But I will be there tonight at the same time for testing and helping people use
tinychat.

All the best,
Tom

  Tomás Gosse
irishhermit@...
http://tinychat.com/irishpractice
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IrishPractice
+1.508.251.9857





________________________________
From: Pearlmoon <pearlmoon@...>
To: LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, September 9, 2010 1:29:46 AM
Subject: Re: [LearningIrish] Re: Courses


Well I started my own sire there and I hope I did it right so that we can talk
often.  Please, if you find that I mane any mistakes let me know so I can fix
them.  I'm under Lynn Marie21.  Thanks.

Beannachtai Mhor
Lynn




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I didn't send that spam message to this site. The comp. that i used must have
had a virus, im very sorry for that.
James

--- In LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com, Richard Lyons <the_lyons_heart@...> wrote:
>
> Piss off!
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jclout01@..., sunflowerday_z@..., einelasteresorte@..., nmcree@..., press@...,
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Our next online meeting of the Tinychat Practice Irish group will be tomorrow,
September 14 at 8:30 PM Eastern Time.  The chat room is at
http://tinychat.com/IrishPractice.

Last week we covered the first three chapters of Buntús Cainte.  We will go over
the next three chapters tomorrow.  We will also practice general conversation
based on Buntús Cainte.

So far we have only one hour long meeting a week scheduled out of 168 available
hours.  I'd like to help people organize more meetings.  Please consider joining
the Irish Practice Yahoo Group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IrishPractice to
discuss more chats, texts, etc.

The Tinychat room and the Irish Practice group have not official affiliation
with the Philo-Celtic Society.  It is strictly my own endeavor.

Le meas,
Tomás

Lynn, a chara

The next Tinychat Irish Practice meeting is tonight at 8:30 PM Eastern Time. 
The new address of the chat room is http://tinychat.com/IrishPractice.

Please note, you do not have to sign up for anything to enter the chat room
(unless you want to).  Just go to the above url.

Hope you can join us.

Le meas,
Tomás


--- In LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com, "Pearlmoon" <pearlmoon@...> wrote:
>
> Well I started my own sire there and I hope I did it right so that we can talk
often.  Please, if you find that I mane any mistakes let me know so I can fix
them.  I'm under Lynn Marie21.  Thanks.
>
> Beannachtai Mhor
>  Lynn
>
>
>

Thanks so much Tom.  I have just taken my evening dose of medications.  So if I
am still awake and coherent at 8:30 pm  I will do my best to be there and
contribute where and when I can.  Your information is most appreciated.

Linn Maire


From: Tom
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 4:47 PM
To: LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LearningIrish] Re: Courses



Lynn, a chara

The next Tinychat Irish Practice meeting is tonight at 8:30 PM Eastern Time. The
new address of the chat room is http://tinychat.com/IrishPractice.

Please note, you do not have to sign up for anything to enter the chat room
(unless you want to). Just go to the above url.

Hope you can join us.

Le meas,
Tomás

--- In LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com, "Pearlmoon" <pearlmoon@...> wrote:
>
> Well I started my own sire there and I hope I did it right so that we can talk
often. Please, if you find that I mane any mistakes let me know so I can fix
them. I'm under Lynn Marie21. Thanks.
>
> Beannachtai Mhor
> Lynn
>
>
>





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D'iarras ag dul go dtí an dTiny Chat seomra, ach ní feidir liom dul isteach.
Duairt sé "ERROR". Ní fheadar cad na thaobh.




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Tom, a chara

I tried to log onto this link you gave me and I couldn't get on no matter what I
tried.  So I'm sorry that I missed the meeting.  I hope that there will be some
way that I will be able to find out all that was discussed.  Thank you so very
much for trying to help me get involved in this.  I can't tell you how much I
appreciate it.

Beannachtai Mhor
Linn Máire


From: Pearlmoon
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 7:55 PM
To: LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LearningIrish] Re: Courses



Thanks so much Tom. I have just taken my evening dose of medications. So if I am
still awake and coherent at 8:30 pm I will do my best to be there and contribute
where and when I can. Your information is most appreciated.

Linn Maire

From: Tom
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 4:47 PM
To: LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LearningIrish] Re: Courses

Lynn, a chara

The next Tinychat Irish Practice meeting is tonight at 8:30 PM Eastern Time. The
new address of the chat room is http://tinychat.com/IrishPractice.

Please note, you do not have to sign up for anything to enter the chat room
(unless you want to). Just go to the above url.

Hope you can join us.

Le meas,
Tomás

--- In LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com, "Pearlmoon" <pearlmoon@...> wrote:
>
> Well I started my own sire there and I hope I did it right so that we can talk
often. Please, if you find that I mane any mistakes let me know so I can fix
them. I'm under Lynn Marie21. Thanks.
>
> Beannachtai Mhor
> Lynn
>
>
>

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Do bhíos ag an chruinniú, ach níl aon micraphone nó webcam agam-sa. Do bhí sé
maith go leor fós. Tá súil agam go mbeidh níos mó daoine ann an t-am so chúinn.
 
James




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I just started doing research on learning Gaelic..and I wanted to know what
books and materials i may need to get started ..thanks

Our Gaelic class uses two texts:  Progress in Irish, and Buntus Cainte, both of
which you can get through Amazon.com.  The Buntus text comes with a CD, if you
get a new copy of the book, and not a used one. I've used them now for well over
two years, because I'm also a writer, and sometimes need to skip ahead to see
how I need to frame certain sentences and expressions.  Good Luck!  I love
learning Gaelic, and can definitely see where the English sort of took over the
pronunciation of certain Irish words, but not the spelling.

Elaine

PS- I have also taken the liberty of ordering certain other Irish texts, to get
the most comprehensive amount of instruction as possible.  If you'd like, I can
forward a list of the books I purchased for this purpose.





________________________________
From: Reni <xixa314@...>
To: LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, September 26, 2010 1:01:50 PM
Subject: [LearningIrish] Newbie


I just started doing research on learning Gaelic..and I wanted to know what
books and materials i may need to get started ..thanks







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I would also recomend rosetta stone(all 3 lessons), kinda pricey, but if you can
swing it, its awesome. and the new one alows you to speak with a real Irish
speaker(not sure how often)

--- On Sun, 9/26/10, Elaine Manyoki <emanyoki@...> wrote:


From: Elaine Manyoki <emanyoki@...>
Subject: Re: [LearningIrish] Newbie
To: LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 5:47 PM


 



Our Gaelic class uses two texts: Progress in Irish, and Buntus Cainte, both of
which you can get through Amazon.com. The Buntus text comes with a CD, if you
get a new copy of the book, and not a used one. I've used them now for well over
two years, because I'm also a writer, and sometimes need to skip ahead to see
how I need to frame certain sentences and expressions. Good Luck! I love
learning Gaelic, and can definitely see where the English sort of took over the
pronunciation of certain Irish words, but not the spelling.

Elaine

PS- I have also taken the liberty of ordering certain other Irish texts, to get
the most comprehensive amount of instruction as possible. If you'd like, I can
forward a list of the books I purchased for this purpose.

________________________________
From: Reni <xixa314@...>
To: LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, September 26, 2010 1:01:50 PM
Subject: [LearningIrish] Newbie

I just started doing research on learning Gaelic..and I wanted to know what
books and materials i may need to get started ..thanks

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Thanks Elaine,

Please E-mail me those text of you dont mind, i wan all the help i can get.

Thanks Reni

--- In LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com, James Lout <jclout@...> wrote:
>
> I would also recomend rosetta stone(all 3 lessons), kinda pricey, but if you
can swing it, its awesome. and the new one alows you to speak with a real Irish
speaker(not sure how often)
>
> --- On Sun, 9/26/10, Elaine Manyoki <emanyoki@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Elaine Manyoki <emanyoki@...>
> Subject: Re: [LearningIrish] Newbie
> To: LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 5:47 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Our Gaelic class uses two texts: Progress in Irish, and Buntus Cainte, both of
> which you can get through Amazon.com. The Buntus text comes with a CD, if you
> get a new copy of the book, and not a used one. I've used them now for well
over
> two years, because I'm also a writer, and sometimes need to skip ahead to see
> how I need to frame certain sentences and expressions. Good Luck! I love
> learning Gaelic, and can definitely see where the English sort of took over
the
> pronunciation of certain Irish words, but not the spelling.
>
> Elaine
>
> PS- I have also taken the liberty of ordering certain other Irish texts, to
get
> the most comprehensive amount of instruction as possible. If you'd like, I can
> forward a list of the books I purchased for this purpose.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Reni <xixa314@...>
> To: LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, September 26, 2010 1:01:50 PM
> Subject: [LearningIrish] Newbie
>
> I just started doing research on learning Gaelic..and I wanted to know what
> books and materials i may need to get started ..thanks
>
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>
>
>
>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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There is a book with CDs that teach standard irish by Living Language, you can
find it in places like Borders books...that is where i got mine...i also have a
Teach Yourself Irish, this you can look up on the Net...There is also TYI
conversational Irish and Confidence In Irish...Which are the same fundamentally
just that it was repackaged under the title 'Confidence In Irish'...There is
also a website where you can DL the old 1961 TYI book my Myles Dillon teaches
the Munster Kerry Dialect, which some declare as the closest to pure Irish as
opposed to the Ulster dialect and the Connamara dialect...There is also
Béarlachas which origin is from many people from england moving to the
Gaeltachts and not knowing the correct Irish word would use an english word and
put an Irish ending on it to make it sound Irish...ex. Tá mé Siúrealta= I am
sure (Béarlachas)  and tá mé cinnte=I am sure (Pure Irish)...Have you ever
learned Latin?...The grammatical
  structure of Irish is very similar to Latin...Well, i must go to dinner with my
wife, we are having seafood...again, i will invite you to my yahoo list and that
way you can speak Irish on the messenger or ask questions regarding Irish and i
will be happy to assist...I am a linguist and i am happy to encourage people to
pursue a second language...
 
 
Le Meas,
 
Richard Lyons

--- On Sun, 9/26/10, xixa314 <xixa314@...> wrote:


From: xixa314 <xixa314@...>
Subject: [LearningIrish] Re: Newbie
To: LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 5:48 PM


 



Thanks Elaine,

Please E-mail me those text of you dont mind, i wan all the help i can get.

Thanks Reni

--- In LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com, James Lout <jclout@...> wrote:
>
> I would also recomend rosetta stone(all 3 lessons), kinda pricey, but if you
can swing it, its awesome. and the new one alows you to speak with a real Irish
speaker(not sure how often)
>
> --- On Sun, 9/26/10, Elaine Manyoki <emanyoki@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Elaine Manyoki <emanyoki@...>
> Subject: Re: [LearningIrish] Newbie
> To: LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 5:47 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Our Gaelic class uses two texts: Progress in Irish, and Buntus Cainte, both of
> which you can get through Amazon.com. The Buntus text comes with a CD, if you
> get a new copy of the book, and not a used one. I've used them now for well
over
> two years, because I'm also a writer, and sometimes need to skip ahead to see
> how I need to frame certain sentences and expressions. Good Luck! I love
> learning Gaelic, and can definitely see where the English sort of took over
the
> pronunciation of certain Irish words, but not the spelling.
>
> Elaine
>
> PS- I have also taken the liberty of ordering certain other Irish texts, to
get
> the most comprehensive amount of instruction as possible. If you'd like, I can
> forward a list of the books I purchased for this purpose.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Reni <xixa314@...>
> To: LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, September 26, 2010 1:01:50 PM
> Subject: [LearningIrish] Newbie
>
> I just started doing research on learning Gaelic..and I wanted to know what
> books and materials i may need to get started ..thanks
>
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>
>
>
>
>
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A simple question first: usually Gaelic refers to Scottish Gaelic and
Irish Gaelic is simply called Irish - is it the Irish or Scottish forms
you want to learn?

Assuming it is Irish, there is a variety of resources available.  Buntús
Cainte and Progress in Irish have been mentioned already.  Taken
together they are a good (and inexpensive) place to start.  There is
also Teach Yourself Irish that takes a different approach.  It teaches
the language by looking at different situations rather than
concentrating on grammar.

If you are partial to a dialect, there is Colloquial Irish followed by
Learnign Irish in the Cois Fhairrge dialect of county Galway - that will
take you to a level where you can converse in Irish reasonably
fluently.  There is also Tús Maith based on Donegal Irish.  If you enjoy
grammar, there is an old version of Teach Yourself Irish by Dillon and Ó
Cróinín that teaches Cork Irish.  Pimsleur has a short course of
conversational Irish based on Kerry  Irish which is very similar.  There
are other, harder to find courses out there, but that should give you
some ideas.

Irish comes in four main forms: standard, Ulster (Donegal), Connacht
(Galway and Mayo) and Munster (Cork, Kerry and Waterford).  They are all
very similar (more so than many English dialects) but for a beginner,
choosing one until you become familiar with the language is a good idea.

Kevin

On 27/09/2010 3:01 AM, Reni wrote:
>
> I just started doing research on learning Gaelic..and I wanted to know
> what books and materials i may need to get started ..thanks
>
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I am amazed that no one has mentioned Transparent Language Software. It'
inexpensive (under $100) compared to Rosetta Stone. Also it is in the Connacht
dialect,, which is my preference. You can even download their free software (not
a trial version) called BYKI (Before You Know It) before you buy the whole
software package. Actually, BYKI can take you quite far before you even spend
any money. As a language professional, I'd say Rosetta Stone is good but not
worth the price they charge.

- Kevin

--- On Sun, 9/26/10, Kevin Riley <klriley@...> wrote:


From: Kevin Riley <klriley@...>
Subject: Re: [LearningIrish] Newbie
To: LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 6:34 PM


 



A simple question first: usually Gaelic refers to Scottish Gaelic and
Irish Gaelic is simply called Irish - is it the Irish or Scottish forms
you want to learn?

Assuming it is Irish, there is a variety of resources available. Buntús
Cainte and Progress in Irish have been mentioned already. Taken
together they are a good (and inexpensive) place to start. There is
also Teach Yourself Irish that takes a different approach. It teaches
the language by looking at different situations rather than
concentrating on grammar.

If you are partial to a dialect, there is Colloquial Irish followed by
Learnign Irish in the Cois Fhairrge dialect of county Galway - that will
take you to a level where you can converse in Irish reasonably
fluently. There is also Tús Maith based on Donegal Irish. If you enjoy
grammar, there is an old version of Teach Yourself Irish by Dillon and Ó
Cróinín that teaches Cork Irish. Pimsleur has a short course of
conversational Irish based on Kerry Irish which is very similar. There
are other, harder to find courses out there, but that should give you
some ideas.

Irish comes in four main forms: standard, Ulster (Donegal), Connacht
(Galway and Mayo) and Munster (Cork, Kerry and Waterford). They are all
very similar (more so than many English dialects) but for a beginner,
choosing one until you become familiar with the language is a good idea.

Kevin

On 27/09/2010 3:01 AM, Reni wrote:
>
> I just started doing research on learning Gaelic..and I wanted to know
> what books and materials i may need to get started ..thanks
>
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I have been tempted to get Rosetta Stone because it is in Munster
Irish, but can't justify spending that much money.  I have BYKI, and it
is a good package.  I was assuming a bginner probably wouldn't want to
spend much money until they were sure they wanted to continue with the
language.  BYKI simply slipped my mind.

Kevin R

On 27/09/2010 9:00 AM, Kevin wrote:
>
> I am amazed that no one has mentioned Transparent Language Software.
> It' inexpensive (under $100) compared to Rosetta Stone. Also it is in
> the Connacht dialect,, which is my preference. You can even download
> their free software (not a trial version) called BYKI (Before You Know
> It) before you buy the whole software package. Actually, BYKI can take
> you quite far before you even spend any money. As a language
> professional, I'd say Rosetta Stone is good but not worth the price
> they charge.
>
> - Kevin
>
> --- On Sun, 9/26/10, Kevin Riley <klriley@...
> <mailto:klriley%40alphalink.com.au>> wrote:
>
> From: Kevin Riley <klriley@...
> <mailto:klriley%40alphalink.com.au>>
> Subject: Re: [LearningIrish] Newbie
> To: LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com <mailto:LearningIrish%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 6:34 PM
>
>
>
> A simple question first: usually Gaelic refers to Scottish Gaelic and
> Irish Gaelic is simply called Irish - is it the Irish or Scottish forms
> you want to learn?
>
> Assuming it is Irish, there is a variety of resources available. Buntús
> Cainte and Progress in Irish have been mentioned already. Taken
> together they are a good (and inexpensive) place to start. There is
> also Teach Yourself Irish that takes a different approach. It teaches
> the language by looking at different situations rather than
> concentrating on grammar.
>
> If you are partial to a dialect, there is Colloquial Irish followed by
> Learnign Irish in the Cois Fhairrge dialect of county Galway - that will
> take you to a level where you can converse in Irish reasonably
> fluently. There is also Tús Maith based on Donegal Irish. If you enjoy
> grammar, there is an old version of Teach Yourself Irish by Dillon and Ó
> Cróinín that teaches Cork Irish. Pimsleur has a short course of
> conversational Irish based on Kerry Irish which is very similar. There
> are other, harder to find courses out there, but that should give you
> some ideas.
>
> Irish comes in four main forms: standard, Ulster (Donegal), Connacht
> (Galway and Mayo) and Munster (Cork, Kerry and Waterford). They are all
> very similar (more so than many English dialects) but for a beginner,
> choosing one until you become familiar with the language is a good idea.
>
> Kevin
>
> On 27/09/2010 3:01 AM, Reni wrote:
> >
> > I just started doing research on learning Gaelic..and I wanted to know
> > what books and materials i may need to get started ..thanks
> >
> > __._ <!-- #ygrp-mkp { border: 1px solid #d8d8d8; font-family: Arial;
> > margin: 10px 0; padding: 0 10px; } #ygrp-mkp hr { border: 1px solid
> > #d8d8d8; } #ygrp-mkp #hd { color: #628c2a; font-size: 85%;
> > font-weight: 700; line-height: 122%; margin: 10px 0; } #ygrp-mkp #ads
> > { margin-bottom: 10px; } #ygrp-mkp .ad { padding: 0 0; } #ygrp-mkp .ad
> > p { margin: 0; } #ygrp-mkp .ad a { color: #0000ff; text-decoration:
> > none; } #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc { font-family: Arial; } #ygrp-sponsor
> > #ygrp-lc #hd { margin: 10px 0px; font-weight: 700; font-size: 78%;
> > line-height: 122%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad { margin-bottom: 10px;
> > padding: 0 0; } a { color: #1e66ae; } #actions { font-family: Verdana;
> > font-size: 11px; padding: 10px 0; } #activity { background-color:
> > #e0ecee; float: left; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; padding:
> > 10px; } #activity span { font-weight: 700; } #activity
> > span:first-child { text-transform: uppercase; } #activity span a {
> > color: #5085b6; text-decoration: none; } #activity span span { color:
> > #ff7900; } #activity span .underline { text-decoration: underline; }
> > .attach { clear: both; display: table; font-family: Arial; font-size:
> > 12px; padding: 10px 0; width: 400px; } .attach div a {
> > text-decoration: none; } .attach img { border: none; padding-right:
> > 5px; } .attach label { display: block; margin-bottom: 5px; } .attach
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> > .bold { font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; font-weight: 700; } .bold
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> > font-weight: 700; } dd.last p span { margin-right: 10px; font-family:
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> > 0; } div.attach-table div div a { text-decoration: none; }
> > div.attach-table { width: 400px; } div.file-title a, div.file-title
> > a:active, div.file-title a:hover, div.file-title a:visited {
> > text-decoration: none; } div.photo-title a, div.photo-title a:active,
> > div.photo-title a:hover, div.photo-title a:visited { text-decoration:
> > none; } div#ygrp-mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.yshortcuts { font-family:
> > Verdana; font-size: 10px; font-weight: normal; } .green { color:
> > #628c2a; } .MsoNormal { margin: 0 0 0 0; } o { font-size: 0; } #photos
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> > label { color: #666666; font-size: 10px; overflow: hidden; text-align:
> > center; white-space: nowrap; width: 64px; } #reco-category {
> > font-size: 77%; } #reco-desc { font-size: 77%; } .replbq { margin:
> > 4px; } #ygrp-actbar div a:first-child { /* border-right: 0px solid
> > #000;*/ margin-right: 2px; padding-right: 5px; } #ygrp-mlmsg {
> > font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, helvetica,clean, sans-serif;
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>
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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You know?  I have to say that Transparent Language is something I would get a
lot of advertising about (spam type)but never bought it.  I went for Rosetta
Stone instead because I had heard so many good things about it from people I
know but also from those I never met on the internet, and I never once heard
anyone say a thing about the Transparent Language material.  So really, that was
why I gave it a pass.  In a way I'm kind of sorry now but really, for me
personally I'm glad I went with Rosetta Stone, because I am learning much faster
than I thought I would and much faster than I did with Buntus Cainte and all the
other systems I tried.  But then having the experiences with those other systems
and the local Irish Center teachings , all that combined could have made it
easier for me too since I had all that prior experience.  I have gone to Ireland
and have spoken to the Natives (slowly)  and they were kind enough to speak
s-l-o-w-l-y back to me.  Truly sweet of them I have to say.  As well they
encouraged me to keep it all up and go as far as I could and come back and speak
to them some more.  This happened not in just one or two places in Ireland, but
in almost everyplace I went to.  I'm pretty sure I would have never been treated
with such kindness in too many other countries. That's just an assumption on my
part though. When it of being came time for me to leave I made sure to let them
know how happy and proud I am of being of Irish decent and having had Irish
ancestry.  Such a light lit in their eyes.  I'll never regret that experience.

Lynn


From: Kevin
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:00 PM
To: LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LearningIrish] Newbie



I am amazed that no one has mentioned Transparent Language Software. It'
inexpensive (under $100) compared to Rosetta Stone. Also it is in the Connacht
dialect,, which is my preference. You can even download their free software (not
a trial version) called BYKI (Before You Know It) before you buy the whole
software package. Actually, BYKI can take you quite far before you even spend
any money. As a language professional, I'd say Rosetta Stone is good but not
worth the price they charge.

- Kevin

--- On Sun, 9/26/10, Kevin Riley <klriley@...> wrote:

From: Kevin Riley <klriley@...>
Subject: Re: [LearningIrish] Newbie
To: LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 6:34 PM



A simple question first: usually Gaelic refers to Scottish Gaelic and
Irish Gaelic is simply called Irish - is it the Irish or Scottish forms
you want to learn?

Assuming it is Irish, there is a variety of resources available. Buntús
Cainte and Progress in Irish have been mentioned already. Taken
together they are a good (and inexpensive) place to start. There is
also Teach Yourself Irish that takes a different approach. It teaches
the language by looking at different situations rather than
concentrating on grammar.

If you are partial to a dialect, there is Colloquial Irish followed by
Learnign Irish in the Cois Fhairrge dialect of county Galway - that will
take you to a level where you can converse in Irish reasonably
fluently. There is also Tús Maith based on Donegal Irish. If you enjoy
grammar, there is an old version of Teach Yourself Irish by Dillon and Ó
Cróinín that teaches Cork Irish. Pimsleur has a short course of
conversational Irish based on Kerry Irish which is very similar. There
are other, harder to find courses out there, but that should give you
some ideas.

Irish comes in four main forms: standard, Ulster (Donegal), Connacht
(Galway and Mayo) and Munster (Cork, Kerry and Waterford). They are all
very similar (more so than many English dialects) but for a beginner,
choosing one until you become familiar with the language is a good idea.

Kevin

On 27/09/2010 3:01 AM, Reni wrote:
>
> I just started doing research on learning Gaelic..and I wanted to know
> what books and materials i may need to get started ..thanks
>
> __._ <!-- #ygrp-mkp { border: 1px solid #d8d8d8; font-family: Arial;
> margin: 10px 0; padding: 0 10px; } #ygrp-mkp hr { border: 1px solid
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> 10px; } #activity span { font-weight: 700; } #activity
> span:first-child { text-transform: uppercase; } #activity span a {
> color: #5085b6; text-decoration: none; } #activity span span { color:
> #ff7900; } #activity span .underline { text-decoration: underline; }
> .attach { clear: both; display: table; font-family: Arial; font-size:
> 12px; padding: 10px 0; width: 400px; } .attach div a {
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Let me repeat here what I have posted on another list:

If one uses tries to use Rosetta Stone as the
company suggests, what one will learn will be
fairly limited. If, on the other hand, one views
Rosetta Stone as a language lab, working with
several grammars and dictionaries and other
things such as Teach Your Self Irish, keeping a
ongoing glossary of new terms as they are
introduced, then RS becomes quite useful. The
pronunciation is Munster and the grammar is An
Caighdáen Oifigiúil, The Official Standard. The
speakers are good, but editorial decisions on
pronunciation are interesting, but are nowhere
discussed in the intro literature. The word tapa,
fast/quick is pronounced as if it were spelled in
the Munster fashion, tapaidh, but such things are very few.

Again, as one goes along, if one parses the
sentences, as one is able, keeping track of the
vocabulary and works with other learning tools,
RS is useful. For the cost, it could have a few
more bells and whistles, but it does allow you to
listen to a speaker, record your voice and play
it back in a much more functional way than in the
Transparent Language software. The speakers'
accents and pronunciations are fairly uniform,
making learning pronunciation easier.

I am glad I got it, but I do not see it as a
stand-alone program for learning the language.
Nothing is explained. It gives very good
pronunciation modelling, opportunities to listen
to the language with and without seeing the
words. It has a fairly extensive vocabulary and
it works with a number of the verbal forms and
tenses. I am still in disc two of three so what I
say is not a complete review.

If one is going to use Rosetta Stone, the following must haves:

Ó Dónaill’s FOCLÓIR GAEILGE-BÉARLA and the
FOCLÓIR SCOILE: English-Irish Irish-English
Dictionary are both good dictionaries. The first
for its more complete entries. There are words
used in RS that you’ll not find in smaller
dictionaries, and the second for it its
pronunciation guide. TEACH YOURSELF IRISH and
TEACH YOURSELF IRISH GRAMMAR are good resources
for grammar. BRIATHRA NA GAEILGE (The Irish Verbs) is a must.

<http://www.nualeargais.ie/gnag/gramadac.htm>http://www.nualeargais.ie/gnag/gram\
adac.htm
while not perfect, it is very good and a
surprising rich resource for Irish grammar and
well worth the time spent with it. Take a look at these two examples:

<http://www.nualeargais.ie/gnag/le.htm>http://www.nualeargais.ie/gnag/le.htm

http://www.nualeargais.ie/gnag/modal.htm

The highly regarded grammar by Donna Wong is no
longer in print but can be had from the publisher
free online as a PDF:
<http://coislife.ie/Media/PDFs/wong.pdf>http://coislife.ie/Media/PDFs/wong.pdf

For the books published Ireland the following is
a good source, but there are many others:
http://www.siopagaeilge.ie/index.html

On the new Rosetta stone 4, they boast that you will have access to a Live Irish
speaker. I have neither Rosetta as of yet, but am waiting patiently to win the
lottery so that I may purchase it. I have gone through the Old Teach Yourself
Irish once , and am n the progress of going through it again. I have the sound
files and believe my pronunciation is getting better. But would like Rosetta
Stone for the speech recognition to better practice the language as there are no
Gaeilgeoirí anywhere near where I live. Another good site if you're interested
in the Cork(Munster) dialect is www.corkirish.com there are a lot sound files
for diphthongs and vowel combinations that are very useful and directions under
"why cork irish" on the top right of his site on how to get the sound files as
well as a PDF of the Old Teach Yourself Irish(its rather handy) especially if
you have any mobile device that allows you to open PDF's.
 
I hope that this info is helpful.
 
James

--- On Mon, 9/27/10, Bruce Burrill <brburl@...> wrote:


From: Bruce Burrill <brburl@...>
Subject: [LearningIrish] Rosetta Stone
To: LearningIrish@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 3:48 AM


 



Let me repeat here what I have posted on another list:

If one uses tries to use Rosetta Stone as the
company suggests, what one will learn will be
fairly limited. If, on the other hand, one views
Rosetta Stone as a language lab, working with
several grammars and dictionaries and other
things such as Teach Your Self Irish, keeping a
ongoing glossary of new terms as they are
introduced, then RS becomes quite useful. The
pronunciation is Munster and the grammar is An
Caighdáen Oifigiúil, The Official Standard. The
speakers are good, but editorial decisions on
pronunciation are interesting, but are nowhere
discussed in the intro literature. The word tapa,
fast/quick is pronounced as if it were spelled in
the Munster fashion, tapaidh, but such things are very few.

Again, as one goes along, if one parses the
sentences, as one is able, keeping track of the
vocabulary and works with other learning tools,
RS is useful. For the cost, it could have a few
more bells and whistles, but it does allow you to
listen to a speaker, record your voice and play
it back in a much more functional way than in the
Transparent Language software. The speakers'
accents and pronunciations are fairly uniform,
making learning pronunciation easier.

I am glad I got it, but I do not see it as a
stand-alone program for learning the language.
Nothing is explained. It gives very good
pronunciation modelling, opportunities to listen
to the language with and without seeing the
words. It has a fairly extensive vocabulary and
it works with a number of the verbal forms and
tenses. I am still in disc two of three so what I
say is not a complete review.

If one is going to use Rosetta Stone, the following must haves:

Ó Dónaill’s FOCLÓIR GAEILGE-BÉARLA and the
FOCLÓIR SCOILE: English-Irish Irish-English
Dictionary are both good dictionaries. The first
for its more complete entries. There are words
used in RS that you’ll not find in smaller
dictionaries, and the second for it its
pronunciation guide. TEACH YOURSELF IRISH and
TEACH YOURSELF IRISH GRAMMAR are good resources
for grammar. BRIATHRA NA GAEILGE (The Irish Verbs) is a must.

<http://www.nualeargais.ie/gnag/gramadac.htm>http://www.nualeargais.ie/gnag/gram\
adac.htm
while not perfect, it is very good and a
surprising rich resource for Irish grammar and
well worth the time spent with it. Take a look at these two examples:

<http://www.nualeargais.ie/gnag/le.htm>http://www.nualeargais.ie/gnag/le.htm

http://www.nualeargais.ie/gnag/modal.htm

The highly regarded grammar by Donna Wong is no
longer in print but can be had from the publisher
free online as a PDF:
<http://coislife.ie/Media/PDFs/wong.pdf>http://coislife.ie/Media/PDFs/wong.pdf

For the books published Ireland the following is
a good source, but there are many others:
http://www.siopagaeilge.ie/index.html











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Dia daoibh!  Is mise Deb and I am a beginner who hopes be become fluent someday.
But for now , I will settle for being able to read , write and speak
conversational Irish. I have been using Giota Beag, Giota Beag Eile, and Colin
and Cumberland for my main learning sites. And I have the Collins Irish
Dictionary. And that's it for me. I'm going to spend the rest of the week
getting the feel of things here.
So anxious to get started!!!
Slán,
Deb

[Please send all replies to jerrykelly@...]
 

Ré:  Tábhacht na Gaeilge i dTaighde Ginealais
Re:  Importance of the Irish Language in Genealogical Research
 
A chairde,
 
Scríobh mé alt gearr le déanaí ar an ábhar seo.  Is féidir é a fháil
ag:  /   I wrote a short article on this subject lately.  You can find it
at:
 
http://www.irishtribes.com/article-importance-of-irish-language.html
 
Relatedly, The Philo-Celtic Society’s new semester of free, online Irish
Language courses is beginning now at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/philo-celticsociety/ .  To join, go there and
click on ‘’Join This Group’’.  You’ll then automatically get a full
course listing by email with links to the free courses.
 
Go raibh sé sin cabhrach.  /  Hope that’s helpful.
 
Le gach dea-ghuí / Best,
Gearóid / Jerry
 

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Hello Irish speakers,

I have read a bit about the Irish language, and it appears that dialects differ
considerably. There is the Munster, Connaught and Ulster dialects (at least that
I know of).

I was wondering, is one of these dialects considered the "official" dialect of
Irish? Is the situation comparable to Italian, where the Florentine dialect is
considered "pure" Italian and Parisian the official version of French?

Is there a dialect that is considered "standard" Irish?

There is an official Standard Irish.  It was made by taking the elements
common to all dialects, then adding to it in a way that has never
managed to please everyone, but works reasonably well.  Speakers from
all three dialects have complained that the Standard privileges one of
the other dialects, which probably means they basically got it right.
There is a committee (whose name I forget) that is currently looking at
making changes.  There is a suggested standard pronunciation, but most
speakers use a dialect pronunciation.  Munster was popular until about
the 1960's, but Connacht has been more popular recently.  The Standard
was originally meant to be used in writing and on official occasions, so
the dialects also remain 'correct' Irish.  It is much easier to find
material in Standard Irish, so there is no reason why a learner should
not start with that.  Almost all courses for Beginners use Standard
Irish.  With Irish TV and radio available all over Ireland (and beyond)
most Irish speakers have very little trouble understanding any dialect.

Kevin

On 25/10/2011 3:25 PM, ebradsimmons wrote:
>
> Hello Irish speakers,
>
> I have read a bit about the Irish language, and it appears that
> dialects differ considerably. There is the Munster, Connaught and
> Ulster dialects (at least that I know of).
>
> I was wondering, is one of these dialects considered the "official"
> dialect of Irish? Is the situation comparable to Italian, where the
> Florentine dialect is considered "pure" Italian and Parisian the
> official version of French?
>
> Is there a dialect that is considered "standard" Irish?
>
>
>
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Hello everyone,
 
I have made a page on facebook showing some of the photos that I've taken
recently. I would appreciate it if you would stop by and check it out and tell
me what you think. I have sent this to everyone in my contact list and
appologize if this email bothers anyone.
 
Thank you for your time
 
James Lout
 
 
 
https://www.facebook.com/jloutphotography

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