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With apologies, I have been off line for a few days and this email sneaked through. This person has been purged from the list.

Thank you for your time.

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#1146

From: NPSmail-owner@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:30 pm
Subject: recent email from "craig rudholm"

NPSmail-owner@yahoogroups.com

With apologies, the recent email sent to members was not an official NPS
communique and has been deleted as the loathsome spam that it is.

We monitor for these kinds of this as much as possible and regret when one slips
through

Thank you for your time.

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#1147

From: Mary Schwartz <mcschwartzi@...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:27 pm
Subject: Re: recent email from "craig rudholm"

mcschwartzi

Thank you site administrator!!

Sent from mary mcgrath schwartz

On Jun 14, 2012, at 11:30 AM, NPSmail-owner@yahoogroups.com wrote:

With apologies, the recent email sent to members was not an official NPS communique and has been deleted as the loathsome spam that it is.

We monitor for these kinds of this as much as possible and regret when one slips through

Thank you for your time.

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#1149

From: "rbbrfish" <fred.bob.1@...>
Date: Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:08 am
Subject: more apologies

rbbrfish

With more apologies, another email sent to members under the guise of "craig rudholm" was not an official NPS communiqu� and has been deleted.

Craig is actually a member of the NPS, but this is not his doing...directly. We are attempting to resolve this matter on our end. You patience is greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your time.

#1150

From: Mary Schwartz <mcschwartzi@...>
Date: Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:13 am
Subject: Re: more apologies

mcschwartzi

carry on

Sent from mary mcgrath schwartz

On Jun 14, 2012, at 9:08 PM, rbbrfish <fred.bob.1@...> wrote:

With more apologies, another email sent to members under the guise of "craig rudholm" was not an official NPS communiqué and has been deleted.

Craig is actually a member of the NPS, but this is not his doing...directly. We are attempting to resolve this matter on our end. You patience is greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your time.

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#1151

From: Christopher Dewees <cmdewees@...>
Date: Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:48 am
Subject: Re: more apologies

cmdewees@...

Maybe Craig could do a workshop on spam or phishing at Wildacres.
On 6/14/12 6:13 PM, Mary Schwartz wrote:

carry on

Sent from mary mcgrath schwartz

On Jun 14, 2012, at 9:08 PM, rbbrfish <fred.bob.1@...> wrote:

With more apologies, another email sent to members under the guise of "craig rudholm" was not an official NPS communiqué and has been deleted.

Craig is actually a member of the NPS, but this is not his doing...directly. We are attempting to resolve this matter on our end. You patience is greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your time.

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#1152

From: "billvoigt@..." <bill.voigt@...>
Date: Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:17 am
Subject: Oil paint vs oil based ink

billvoigt...

What's the difference between oil paint and oil based inks?

Do they use different mediums (media?), pigments, etc?

I know that some inks are much thicker than others (e.g. Daniel Smith printing
ink is much thicker than Mineo's gyotaku inks), probably because of their
intended use. It seems possible to thin oil paints and inks to the same
consistency. When would one use ink vs paint in nature printing?

Hopefully your responses will push the ***hot biker chicks*** off the home page
of this forum.

Thanks,
--Bill

#1153

From: Debra Lumpkins <debra@...>
Date: Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:26 am
Subject: Re: Oil paint vs oil based ink

debralumpkins

Hi Bill,

Inks and paints have evolved over time and are formulated for very specific purposes. The primary difference is their consistency. Oil based inks are ground very finely so that they go down onto paper in a very smooth, even stain. They can be thinned and beautifully transparent yet brilliant. Oil based paints, on the other hand, are formulated with the purpose of being applied in thick painterly layers.

That is my understanding and probably an overly simplified answer to a complicated process. I can't answer your question about if the base pigments are different. I don't know, maybe someone else can answer that question for us.

Happy printing!

Debra

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:17 PM, billvoigt@... <bill.voigt@...> wrote:

�

What's the difference between oil paint and oil based inks?

Do they use different mediums (media?), pigments, etc?

I know that some inks are much thicker than others (e.g. Daniel Smith printing ink is much thicker than Mineo's gyotaku inks), probably because of their intended use. It seems possible to thin oil paints and inks to the same consistency. When would one use ink vs paint in nature printing?

Hopefully your responses will push the ***hot biker chicks*** off the home page of this forum.

Thanks,
--Bill

#1154

From: "Fred Bob" <fred.bob.1@...>
Date: Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:20 pm
Subject: Re: Oil paint vs oil based ink

rbbrfish

Thanks Debra.

I've personally found some oil paints being thinner than some inks, depending on intended usage and manufacture. Etching ink can be as thick as spackle, and some cheap oil paints have a fairly fluid viscosity suggesting the addition of more oil as filler.

fbm
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#1155

From: "Maria Arango Diener" <1000woodcuts@...>
Date: Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:57 pm
Subject: RE: Oil paint vs oil based ink

maritensy

Most oil based whatevers are simply (hopefully) pigment, binder and medium or carrier. The pigment should be the same given the same quality of ink/paint and you can actually easily get pure pigments from various sources, either powder or suspended, and mix your own ink/paint. For oil based anything, medium or carrier is usually linseed oil of various purities and qualities. Binders/fillers can be anything and usually super-secret; cheap paints and inks use chalks or other crappy stuff that dilutes the pigment and/or dulls paint/ink when dry.

You can actually buy pure pigments and add them to your inks and paints to alter them and make them brighter, but a cheap binder is a cheap binder. Pigment is inexpensive enough, available from Daniel Smith, Guerra Paints, McClain’s Printmaking supply and many others. Akua-Kolor offers suspended pigments and is completely non-toxic honey/soy based. Powdered pigments have to be handled with care because the powders will fly all over the place and can be easily inhaled, which is bad depending on what pigment it is. I wouldn’t sniff Titanium white or Cobalt blue, for example, both heavy metal based.

Consistency is indeed the difference in the mixed products (and the super-secret mystery ingredients mentioned). In addition Debra’s comment, oil paint is meant to be brushed with a soft brush and oil based inks are meant to be rolled with a rubber brayer in a very thin and even layer.

What happens when you try to “roll out” oil based paint is that the rubber roller will skid on the slick paint and not be able to pick up enough paint to lay an even layer on the block/fish/plant.

In addition, oil based paint is fluid enough to sneak into the crevices and build up so that eventually, with an uneven plate such as a natural form, the paint will build until no detail will print. The paint will collect into the crevices and squeeze out when pressed, however gently and obliterate all that fine detail.

Being stiffer, oil based inks will be less likely to flow into crevices, they simply stay put on the surface of the plate waiting eagerly for the absorbent paper to pick them up.

We printmakers like to talk about “tack” and “flow” of an ink and we like to mess with the given tack and flow of any given ink for seemingly no good reason at all.

For example, litho inks have the least flow and have to be modified with plate oil to soften them and give them a bit more flow for relief printing. Some litho inks are rubber based and they are meant to be rolled in extremely thin layers for litho plates and letterpress (another hard ink). The least bit of “flow” and the details of the image disappear when the ink is pressed against the paper due to the ink squashing out from where it was rolled.

Etching inks have the most flow for printmakers, and we relief printers like to stiffen them a bit so that they do not flow so much. Etching inks have to actually be forced into the etched metal plate lines and squeeze out when paper/blanket is applied. Relief inks have to stay put right on the surface of the plate, so less flow is desirable so that the ink doesn’t stray into the carved parts. They come in many more colors than relief inks, nobody knows why, but that is why we relief printmakers like to get them and tweak them.

Tack refers to the stickiness of the ink. Oil paints are near impossible to roll with a rubber roller because they are too slick, too much oil already in there. They may be stiffened with magnesium carbonate or whiting but it would take quite a bit to make them “rollable” and too much of an additive does strange things to inks and paints. Oil based paints may be rolled with sponge rollers, however, (used for detail house painting) but, again, they will crawl into the crevices and may give unwanted results.

Additives to oil based inks should be used in small quantities as they will mess with the intended product up to and including, dilute the pigment, add/subtract opaqueness, increase drying time, separate the binder in some cases, make it so the ink never dries, produce an oil ring around the image, etc, etc. Experiment with small quantities and add at your own risk, carefully noting the results. Rule of thumb is never add more than 10% additive to the ink, but start with 5% or less and see what happens.

Some additives to help modify inks and paints:

-Transparent medium of whatever brand is formulated the same as the whatever brand, thus the safest way to add transparency to any ink/paint. I mix and match brands all the time without much (much) repercussion. Sometimes the medium won’t mix and then you know not to do that anymore.

-Plate oil is boiled linseed oil and comes in varying thicknesses, the longer it is boiled the thicker it gets. The thickest variety almost doesn’t flow, like honey left out for a long time. Thicker plate oils add tack and thinner plate oils add flow. They also add oiliness, go figure.

-Magnesium carbonate, whiting, or talc will stiffen ink and add opaqueness but also reduce brightness, transparency and purity of pigment. It is chalky so mix very well.

-Miracle gel is like petroleum jelly and will decrease tackiness of ink and revive some old inks. Also known for making it so inks never ever ever ever ever dry (not that that’s ever happened to me).

-Setswell compound leaves a layer of ink “open” for subsequent layers to be printed on top. Oil based inks tend to form a shiny finish when layered, setswell prevents that.

-Japan drier or cobalt drier are aids in drying and will speed up drying any oil based ink to dizzying speeds. Also on the roller and plate so be careful. Cobalt is environmentally and healthy-wise very nasty stuff BTW and a couple of drops suffice.

That’s all I can think of for now.

Maria

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www.1000woodcuts.com

www.artfestivalguide.info

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#1156

From: "Fred Bob" <fred.bob.1@...>
Date: Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:12 pm
Subject: Re: Oil paint vs oil based ink

rbbrfish

It's a wonderful thing to have such professionals in our group. Thank you, Maria!

#1157

From: Debra Lumpkins <debra@...>
Date: Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:29 pm
Subject: Re: Oil paint vs oil based ink

debralumpkins

Maria,

Thank you for such a wonderfully informative post!

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Maria Arango Diener <1000woodcuts@...> wrote:

�

�
Most oil based whatevers are simply (hopefully) pigment, binder and medium or carrier. The pigment should be the same given the same quality of ink/paint and you can actually easily get pure pigments from various sources, either powder or suspended, and mix your own ink/paint. For oil based anything, medium or carrier is usually linseed oil of various purities and qualities. Binders/fillers can be anything and usually super-secret; cheap paints and inks use chalks or other crappy stuff that dilutes the pigment and/or dulls paint/ink when dry.

�
You can actually buy pure pigments and add them to your inks and paints to alter them and make them brighter, but a cheap binder is a cheap binder. Pigment is inexpensive enough, available from Daniel Smith, Guerra Paints, McClain�s Printmaking supply and many others. Akua-Kolor offers suspended pigments and is completely non-toxic honey/soy based. Powdered pigments have to be handled with care because the powders will fly all over the place and can be easily inhaled, which is bad depending on what pigment it is. I wouldn�t sniff Titanium white or Cobalt blue, for example, both heavy metal based.

�
Consistency is indeed the difference in the mixed products (and the super-secret mystery ingredients mentioned). In addition Debra�s comment, oil paint is meant to be brushed with a soft brush and oil based inks are meant to be rolled with a rubber brayer in a very thin and even layer.

�
What happens when you try to �roll out� oil based paint is that the rubber roller will skid on the slick paint and not be able to pick up enough paint to lay an even layer on the block/fish/plant.

In addition, oil based paint is fluid enough to sneak into the crevices and build up so that eventually, with an uneven plate such as a natural form, the paint will build until no detail will print. The paint will collect into the crevices and squeeze out when pressed, however gently and obliterate all that fine detail.

�
Being stiffer, oil based inks will be less likely to flow into crevices, they simply stay put on the surface of the plate waiting eagerly for the absorbent paper to pick them up.

�
We printmakers like to talk about �tack� and �flow� of an ink and we like to mess with the given tack and flow of any given ink for seemingly no good reason at all.

For example, litho inks have the least flow and have to be modified with plate oil to soften them and give them a bit more flow for relief printing. Some litho inks are rubber based and they are meant to be rolled in extremely thin layers for litho plates and letterpress (another hard ink). The least bit of �flow� and the details of the image disappear when the ink is pressed against the paper due to the ink squashing out from where it was rolled.

�
Etching inks have the most flow for printmakers, and we relief printers like to stiffen them a bit so that they do not flow so much. Etching inks have to actually be forced into the etched metal plate lines and squeeze out when paper/blanket is applied. Relief inks have to stay put right on the surface of the plate, so less flow is desirable so that the ink doesn�t stray into the carved parts. They come in many more colors than relief inks, nobody knows why, but that is why we relief printmakers like to get them and tweak them.

�
Tack refers to the stickiness of the ink. Oil paints are near impossible to roll with a rubber roller because they are too slick, too much oil already in there. They may be stiffened with magnesium carbonate or whiting but it would take quite a bit to make them �rollable� and too much of an additive does strange things to inks and paints. Oil based paints may be rolled with sponge rollers, however, (used for detail house painting) but, again, they will crawl into the crevices and may give unwanted results.

�
Additives to oil based inks should be used in small quantities as they will mess with the intended product up to and including, dilute the pigment, add/subtract opaqueness, increase drying time, separate the binder in some cases, make it so the ink never dries, produce an oil ring around the image, etc, etc. Experiment with small quantities and add at your own risk, carefully noting the results. Rule of thumb is never add more than 10% additive to the ink, but start with 5% or less and see what happens.

�
Some additives to help modify inks and paints:

�
-Transparent medium of whatever brand is formulated the same as the whatever brand, thus the safest way to add transparency to any ink/paint. I mix and match brands all the time without much (much) repercussion. Sometimes the medium �won�t mix and then you know not to do that anymore.

�
-Plate oil is boiled linseed oil and comes in varying thicknesses, the longer it is boiled the thicker it gets. The thickest variety almost doesn�t flow, like honey left out for a long time. Thicker plate oils add tack and thinner plate oils add flow. They also add oiliness, go figure.

�
-Magnesium carbonate, whiting, or talc will stiffen ink and add opaqueness but also reduce brightness, transparency and purity of pigment. It is chalky so mix very well.

�
-Miracle gel is like petroleum jelly and will decrease tackiness of ink and revive some old inks. Also known for making it so inks never ever ever ever ever dry (not that that�s ever happened to me).

�
-Setswell compound leaves a layer of ink �open� for subsequent layers to be printed on top. Oil based inks tend to form a shiny finish when layered, setswell prevents that.

�
-Japan drier or cobalt drier are aids in drying and will speed up drying any oil based ink to dizzying speeds. Also on the roller and plate so be careful. Cobalt is environmentally and healthy-wise very nasty stuff BTW and a couple of drops suffice.

�
That�s all I can think of for now.
�
Maria
�

�
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� www.artfestivalguide.info

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#1158

From: "Maria Arango Diener" <1000woodcuts@...>
Date: Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:05 pm
Subject: RE: Oil paint vs oil based ink

maritensy

Very welcome. There is much more, of course, as any craft is a lifelong learning adventure.

I always aspire to know as much as I can about the materials I work with and have found that this works to my advantage in many ways.

Mostly the art of learning about art just fascinates me...and keeps me well out of trouble.

Maria

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www.1000woodcuts.com

www.artfestivalguide.info

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From: NPSmail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NPSmail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Bob
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 11:12 AM
To: NPSmail@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [NPSmail] Oil paint vs oil based ink

It's a wonderful thing to have such professionals in our group. Thank you, Maria!

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#1159

From: Stephen DiCerbo <mykiss@...>
Date: Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:39 pm
Subject: RE: Oil paint vs oil based ink

splinta1

Maria,

   are you familiar with Mayer's Book?      Its been my Bible for
decades....    Must have for artists...

http://www.amazon.com/The-Artists-Handbook-Materials-Techniques/dp/0670837016


Stephen



At 04:05 PM 6/20/2012, you wrote:
>
>
>Very welcome. There is much more, of course, as any craft is
>a  lifelong learning adventure.
>
>I always aspire to know as much as I can about the materials I work
>with and have found that this works to my advantage in many ways.
>
>Mostly the art of learning about art just fascinates me...and keeps
>me well out of trouble.
>
>
>
>Maria
>
>

#1160

From: "billvoigt@..." <bill.voigt@...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:48 am
Subject: Re: Oil paint vs oil based ink

billvoigt...

Maria,
Thanks for the great detailed response. I hadn't thought of the various
applications of printing/painting, etc.

--Bill

--- In NPSmail@yahoogroups.com, "Maria Arango Diener" <1000woodcuts@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Most oil based whatevers are simply (hopefully) pigment, binder and medium
> or carrier. The pigment should be the same given the same quality of
> ink/paint and you can actually easily get pure pigments from various
> sources, either powder or suspended, and mix your own ink/paint. For oil
> based anything, medium or carrier is usually linseed oil of various purities
> and qualities. Binders/fillers can be anything and usually super-secret;
> cheap paints and inks use chalks or other crappy stuff that dilutes the
> pigment and/or dulls paint/ink when dry.
>
>
>
> You can actually buy pure pigments and add them to your inks and paints to
> alter them and make them brighter, but a cheap binder is a cheap binder.
> Pigment is inexpensive enough, available from Daniel Smith, Guerra Paints,
> McClain's Printmaking supply and many others. Akua-Kolor offers suspended
> pigments and is completely non-toxic honey/soy based. Powdered pigments have
> to be handled with care because the powders will fly all over the place and
> can be easily inhaled, which is bad depending on what pigment it is. I
> wouldn't sniff Titanium white or Cobalt blue, for example, both heavy metal
> based.
>
>
>
> Consistency is indeed the difference in the mixed products (and the
> super-secret mystery ingredients mentioned). In addition Debra's comment,
> oil paint is meant to be brushed with a soft brush and oil based inks are
> meant to be rolled with a rubber brayer in a very thin and even layer.
>
>
>
> What happens when you try to "roll out" oil based paint is that the rubber
> roller will skid on the slick paint and not be able to pick up enough paint
> to lay an even layer on the block/fish/plant.
>
> In addition, oil based paint is fluid enough to sneak into the crevices and
> build up so that eventually, with an uneven plate such as a natural form,
> the paint will build until no detail will print. The paint will collect into
> the crevices and squeeze out when pressed, however gently and obliterate all
> that fine detail.
>
>
>
> Being stiffer, oil based inks will be less likely to flow into crevices,
> they simply stay put on the surface of the plate waiting eagerly for the
> absorbent paper to pick them up.
>
>
>
> We printmakers like to talk about "tack" and "flow" of an ink and we like to
> mess with the given tack and flow of any given ink for seemingly no good
> reason at all.
>
> For example, litho inks have the least flow and have to be modified with
> plate oil to soften them and give them a bit more flow for relief printing.
> Some litho inks are rubber based and they are meant to be rolled in
> extremely thin layers for litho plates and letterpress (another hard ink).
> The least bit of "flow" and the details of the image disappear when the ink
> is pressed against the paper due to the ink squashing out from where it was
> rolled.
>
>
>
> Etching inks have the most flow for printmakers, and we relief printers like
> to stiffen them a bit so that they do not flow so much. Etching inks have to
> actually be forced into the etched metal plate lines and squeeze out when
> paper/blanket is applied. Relief inks have to stay put right on the surface
> of the plate, so less flow is desirable so that the ink doesn't stray into
> the carved parts. They come in many more colors than relief inks, nobody
> knows why, but that is why we relief printmakers like to get them and tweak
> them.
>
>
>
> Tack refers to the stickiness of the ink. Oil paints are near impossible to
> roll with a rubber roller because they are too slick, too much oil already
> in there. They may be stiffened with magnesium carbonate or whiting but it
> would take quite a bit to make them "rollable" and too much of an additive
> does strange things to inks and paints. Oil based paints may be rolled with
> sponge rollers, however, (used for detail house painting) but, again, they
> will crawl into the crevices and may give unwanted results.
>
>
>
> Additives to oil based inks should be used in small quantities as they will
> mess with the intended product up to and including, dilute the pigment,
> add/subtract opaqueness, increase drying time, separate the binder in some
> cases, make it so the ink never dries, produce an oil ring around the image,
> etc, etc. Experiment with small quantities and add at your own risk,
> carefully noting the results. Rule of thumb is never add more than 10%
> additive to the ink, but start with 5% or less and see what happens.
>
>
>
> Some additives to help modify inks and paints:
>
>
>
> -Transparent medium of whatever brand is formulated the same as the whatever
> brand, thus the safest way to add transparency to any ink/paint. I mix and
> match brands all the time without much (much) repercussion. Sometimes the
> medium  won't mix and then you know not to do that anymore.
>
>
>
> -Plate oil is boiled linseed oil and comes in varying thicknesses, the
> longer it is boiled the thicker it gets. The thickest variety almost doesn't
> flow, like honey left out for a long time. Thicker plate oils add tack and
> thinner plate oils add flow. They also add oiliness, go figure.
>
>
>
> -Magnesium carbonate, whiting, or talc will stiffen ink and add opaqueness
> but also reduce brightness, transparency and purity of pigment. It is chalky
> so mix very well.
>
>
>
> -Miracle gel is like petroleum jelly and will decrease tackiness of ink and
> revive some old inks. Also known for making it so inks never ever ever ever
> ever dry (not that that's ever happened to me).
>
>
>
> -Setswell compound leaves a layer of ink "open" for subsequent layers to be
> printed on top. Oil based inks tend to form a shiny finish when layered,
> setswell prevents that.
>
>
>
> -Japan drier or cobalt drier are aids in drying and will speed up drying any
> oil based ink to dizzying speeds. Also on the roller and plate so be
> careful. Cobalt is environmentally and healthy-wise very nasty stuff BTW and
> a couple of drops suffice.
>
>
>
> That's all I can think of for now.
>
>
>
> Maria
>
>
>
>
>
> [=o=]<>[=o=]<>[=o=]<>[=o=]
>
>   www.1000woodcuts.com
>
>   www.artfestivalguide.info
>
> [=o=]<>[=o=]<>[=o=]<>[=o=]
>

#1161

From: "Maria Arango Diener" <1000woodcuts@...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:53 am
Subject: RE: Oil paint vs oil based ink

maritensy

Absolutely! Standard issue around here, good recommendation.

Maria

[=o=]<>[=o=]<>[=o=]<>[=o=]

www.1000woodcuts.com

www.artfestivalguide.info

[=o=]<>[=o=]<>[=o=]<>[=o=]

From: NPSmail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NPSmail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen DiCerbo
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:40 PM
To: NPSmail@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [NPSmail] Oil paint vs oil based ink

Maria,

are you familiar with Mayer's Book? Its been my Bible for
decades.... Must have for artists...

http://www.amazon.com/The-Artists-Handbook-Materials-Techniques/dp/0670837016

Stephen

At 04:05 PM 6/20/2012, you wrote:
>
>
>Very welcome. There is much more, of course, as any craft is
>a lifelong learning adventure.
>
>I always aspire to know as much as I can about the materials I work
>with and have found that this works to my advantage in many ways.
>
>Mostly the art of learning about art just fascinates me...and keeps
>me well out of trouble.
>
>
>
>Maria
>
>

#1162

From: "rbbrfish" <fred.bob.1@...>
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2012 2:20 pm
Subject: test message

rbbrfish

Yahoo Groups is doing some reformatting on some of their notifications for Group participants. This message is to test the compatibility of this new configuration. If you receive this message and it is not legible under this new set-up, please respond with a brief description of the problem. If the message is adequate or you are experiencing no problems, you need not reply.

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#1163

From: Charles Morgan <charlesgmorgan@...>
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2012 3:13 pm
Subject: Re: test message

charlesgmorgan

So let me see ..... If I receive your message and it is not legible, how will I know that you want me to "respond with a brief description of the problem"??? Isn't that sort of like saying "Please raise your hand if you cannot hear me"!!!!

Sorry .... as an old logician, I could not help myself.

Cheers ..... Charles

From: rbbrfish <fred.bob.1@...>
To: NPSmail@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 7:20:31 AM
Subject: [NPSmail] test message

Yahoo Groups is doing some reformatting on some of their notifications for Group participants. This message is to test the compatibility of this new configuration. If you receive this message and it is not legible under this new set-up, please respond with a brief description of the problem. If the message is adequate or you are experiencing no problems, you need not reply.

Thank you for your time.

Respectfully,
Site Admin
_________________________
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The NPS is a non-profit, tax-exempt 501(c)(3) organization. As such, donations to the NPS are deductible to the extent permitted by IRS regulations. Gifts to the NPS help it to achieve its goal of nature printing support and education.

#1164

From: "cooknfold@..."<cooknfold@...>
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2012 3:27 pm
Subject: Re: test message

cooknfold

Hey Charles,
Sorry if I am poking holes in your logic, but remember that some people (like me) can read lips but can't hear, so...our hands will be raised. :-)

Cheers, Andrew

Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon Wireless™

-----Original message-----

From: Charles Morgan <charlesgmorgan@...>
To: "NPSmail@yahoogroups.com" <NPSmail@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 6, 2012 15:13:19 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [NPSmail] test message

So let me see ..... If I receive your message and it is not legible, how will I know that you want me to "respond with a brief description of the problem"??? Isn't that sort of like saying "Please raise your hand if you cannot hear me"!!!!

Sorry .... as an old logician, I could not help myself.

Cheers ..... Charles

From: rbbrfish <fred.bob.1@...>
To: NPSmail@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 7:20:31 AM
Subject: [NPSmail] test message

Yahoo Groups is doing some reformatting on some of their notifications for Group participants. This message is to test the compatibility of this new configuration. If you receive this message and it is not legible under this new set-up, please respond with a brief description of the problem. If the message is adequate or you are experiencing no problems, you need not reply.

Thank you for your time.

Respectfully,
Site Admin
_________________________
Nature Printing Society
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The NPS is a non-profit, tax-exempt 501(c)(3) organization. As such, donations to the NPS are deductible to the extent permitted by IRS regulations. Gifts to the NPS help it to achieve its goal of nature printing support and education.

#1165

From: bee shay <bee.shay@...>
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2012 3:31 pm
Subject: RE: test message

beeshay50

and what if you didn't get the original message at all but just got the very witty responses from charles and &rew?
;)

To: NPSmail@yahoogroups.com
From: cooknfold@...
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 11:27:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [NPSmail] test message

-----Original message-----

From: Charles Morgan <charlesgmorgan@...>
To: "NPSmail@yahoogroups.com" <NPSmail@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 6, 2012 15:13:19 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [NPSmail] test message

So let me see ..... If I receive your message and it is not legible, how will I know that you want me to "respond with a brief description of the problem"??? Isn't that sort of like saying "Please raise your hand if you cannot hear me"!!!!

Sorry .... as an old logician, I could not help myself.

Cheers ..... Charles

From: rbbrfish <fred.bob.1@...>
To: NPSmail@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 7:20:31 AM
Subject: [NPSmail] test message

Yahoo Groups is doing some reformatting on some of their notifications for Group participants. This message is to test the compatibility of this new configuration. If you receive this message and it is not legible under this new set-up, please respond with a brief description of the problem. If the message is adequate or you are experiencing no problems, you need not reply.

Thank you for your time.

Respectfully,
Site Admin
_________________________
Nature Printing Society
Site Administrator
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www.natureprintingsociety.org
and on Facebook at
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The NPS is a non-profit, tax-exempt 501(c)(3) organization. As such, donations to the NPS are deductible to the extent permitted by IRS regulations. Gifts to the NPS help it to achieve its goal of nature printing support and education.

#1166

From: Charles Morgan <charlesgmorgan@...>
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2012 3:36 pm
Subject: Re: test message

charlesgmorgan

Right you are, Andrew!!! I have this humorous vision of a speaker at the stage with a volume control on the PA system ... You raise your hand. He turns up the volume and asks again ... You raise your hand. He turns up the volume, etc. etc.

See you in October???

Cheers ...... Charles

From: "cooknfold@..." <cooknfold@...>
To: NPSmail@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 8:27:42 AM
Subject: Re: [NPSmail] test message

Hey Charles,
Sorry if I am poking holes in your logic, but remember that some people (like me) can read lips but can't hear, so...our hands will be raised. :-)

Cheers, Andrew

Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon Wireless™

-----Original message-----
From: Charles Morgan <charlesgmorgan@...>
To: "NPSmail@yahoogroups.com" <NPSmail@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 6, 2012 15:13:19 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [NPSmail] test message

So let me see ..... If I receive your message and it is not legible, how will I know that you want me to "respond with a brief description of the problem"??? Isn't that sort of like saying "Please raise your hand if you cannot hear me"!!!!

Sorry .... as an old logician, I could not help myself.

Cheers ..... Charles

From: rbbrfish <fred.bob.1@...>
To: NPSmail@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 7:20:31 AM
Subject: [NPSmail] test message

Yahoo Groups is doing some reformatting on some of their notifications for Group participants. This message is to test the compatibility of this new configuration. If you receive this message and it is not legible under this new set-up, please respond with a brief description of the problem. If the message is adequate or you are experiencing no problems, you need not reply.

Thank you for your time.

Respectfully,
Site Admin
_________________________
Nature Printing Society
Site Administrator
913.383.5371 (US)
www.natureprintingsociety.org
and on Facebook at
facebook/NaturePrintingSociety

The NPS is a non-profit, tax-exempt 501(c)(3) organization. As such, donations to the NPS are deductible to the extent permitted by IRS regulations. Gifts to the NPS help it to achieve its goal of nature printing support and education.

#1167

From: Charles Morgan <charlesgmorgan@...>
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2012 3:41 pm
Subject: Re: test message

charlesgmorgan

Hmmmm .... maybe we lunatics do provide some positive service after all ....

Cheers ...... Charles

From: bee shay <bee.shay@...>
To: npsmail@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 8:31:49 AM
Subject: RE: [NPSmail] test message

and what if you didn't get the original message at all but just got the very witty responses from charles and &rew?
;)

To: NPSmail@yahoogroups.com
From: cooknfold@...
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 11:27:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [NPSmail] test message

Hey Charles,
Sorry if I am poking holes in your logic, but remember that some people (like me) can read lips but can't hear, so...our hands will be raised. :-)

Cheers, Andrew

Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon Wireless™

-----Original message-----
From: Charles Morgan <charlesgmorgan@...>
To: "NPSmail@yahoogroups.com" <NPSmail@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 6, 2012 15:13:19 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [NPSmail] test message

So let me see ..... If I receive your message and it is not legible, how will I know that you want me to "respond with a brief description of the problem"??? Isn't that sort of like saying "Please raise your hand if you cannot hear me"!!!!

Sorry .... as an old logician, I could not help myself.

Cheers ..... Charles

From: rbbrfish <fred.bob.1@...>
To: NPSmail@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 7:20:31 AM
Subject: [NPSmail] test message

Yahoo Groups is doing some reformatting on some of their notifications for Group participants. This message is to test the compatibility of this new configuration. If you receive this message and it is not legible under this new set-up, please respond with a brief description of the problem. If the message is adequate or you are experiencing no problems, you need not reply.

Thank you for your time.

Respectfully,
Site Admin
_________________________
Nature Printing Society
Site Administrator
913.383.5371 (US)
www.natureprintingsociety.org
and on Facebook at
facebook/NaturePrintingSociety

The NPS is a non-profit, tax-exempt 501(c)(3) organization. As such, donations to the NPS are deductible to the extent permitted by IRS regulations. Gifts to the NPS help it to achieve its goal of nature printing support and education.

#1168

From: "Fred Bob" <fred.bob.1@...>
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2012 4:06 pm
Subject: Re: test message

rbbrfish

Apparently they are a few of us who have less than enough to do this morning. Awkward as the phrasing might have been, thanks to &rew for his brilliance in seeing the logic behind said flaw. As for others who shall remain nameless, please let me know if you didn't get this.

himself

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#1169

From: "cooknfold@..."<cooknfold@...>
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2012 4:53 pm
Subject: Re: test message

cooknfold

Oh Fred, I was eating lunch alone at the Corning Museum of Glass as I was reading Charles Morgan's illogical response to your email. I'm busy doing some research & hunting for my composition class at NPS Workshop this fall. :-) &rew

Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon Wireless™

-----Original message-----

From: Fred Bob <fred.bob.1@...>
To: NPSmail@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Jul 6, 2012 16:06:49 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [NPSmail] test message

Apparently they are a few of us who have less than enough to do this morning. Awkward as the phrasing might have been, thanks to &rew for his brilliance in seeing the logic behind said flaw. As for others who shall remain nameless, please let me know if you didn't get this.

himself

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#1170

From: "Cindy Marlow" <cmarlow41@...>
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2012 7:02 pm
Subject: RE: test message

cmarlow41

I don’t get it. Oh, I got the messages…all of them…I just don’t get it. (LOL)

Cindy K. Marlow

From: NPSmail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NPSmail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Bob
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 12:07 PM
To: NPSmail@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [NPSmail] test message

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No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5114 - Release Date: 07/06/12

#1171

From: Cheryl Moyer <cherylmoyer@...>
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2012 7:22 pm
Subject: RE: test message

cheryl_moyer...

Dear Himself -

Thank you for the belly laugh. Oh, and I almost forgot... At first, I thought I hadn't received this, but now I see that I have.

anonymous

To: NPSmail@yahoogroups.com
From: fred.bob.1@...
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 11:06:39 -0500
Subject: Re: [NPSmail] test message

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#1172

From: Cheryl Moyer <cherylmoyer@...>
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2012 7:24 pm
Subject: RE: test message

cheryl_moyer...

Cindy -

ROFL

To: NPSmail@yahoogroups.com
From: cmarlow41@...
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 15:02:47 -0400
Subject: RE: [NPSmail] test message

I don’t get it. Oh, I got the messages…all of them…I just don’t get it. (LOL)

Cindy K. Marlow

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#1173

From: Stephen DiCerbo <mykiss@...>
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2012 9:13 pm
Subject: RE: test message

splinta1

another tree falls in the woods without anyone there..... :^) I followed it not, either maybe its the heat

Steph

At 03:02 PM 7/6/2012, you wrote:

I don’t get it.� Oh, I got the messages�all of them�I just don’t get it. (LOL)

Cindy K. Marlow

From: NPSmail@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:NPSmail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Bob
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 12:07 PM
To: NPSmail@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [NPSmail] test message

Apparently they are a few of us who have less than enough to do this morning. Awkward as the phrasing might have been, thanks to &rew for his brilliance in seeing the logic behind said flaw. As for others who shall remain nameless, please let me know if you didn't get this.

himself

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No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5114 - Release Date: 07/06/12

#1174

From: Lynda Goldberg <lyngoldberg@...>
Date: Sat Jul 7, 2012 2:56 am
Subject: RE: test message

lyndamonotype

Received. Lynda

To: NPSmail@yahoogroups.com
From: fred.bob.1@...
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 14:20:31 +0000
Subject: [NPSmail] test message

Thank you for your time.

Respectfully,

#1175

From: phillis156@...
Date: Sat Jul 7, 2012 7:16 pm
Subject: Re: test message

cathiephillis

Thanks for the giggles!

From: cooknfold@...
To: NPSmail@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 12:53:59 PM
Subject: Re: [NPSmail] test message

-----Original message-----

From: Fred Bob <fred.bob.1@...>
To: NPSmail@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Jul 6, 2012 16:06:49 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [NPSmail] test message

Apparently they are a few of us who have less than enough to do this morning. Awkward as the phrasing might have been, thanks to &rew for his brilliance in seeing the logic behind said flaw. As for others who shall remain nameless, please let me know if you didn't get this.

himself

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