Hi folks , the grant application requires info on the committee members
that will be helping with the project.
I need to do a short rave in the application and attach cvs.

So could folks send me their cvs and either send me a short paragraph
about themselves (eg animal inteests , skills and abilities to do with the
project) or I will do it based on cvs receieved. Need be mid next week
pls.

For my five cents worth on the workshops:

Practical Workshops:
I vote for the responsible companion animal ownership re wildlife (need
others to give me dot points as to what this would entail) Is irt
enoughfor a two hour workshop?
I wouild like to pitch for a practical workshop something like:  "what can
I do?" which could cover for eg ethical purchasing, minimum standards for
companion, livestock, factory animal welfare and what to keep an eye on in
your neighborhood/ village ( chanied dogs, habitat, tree felling, horses
in paddocks etc)  . What to do if the RSPCA  doesnt follow up my
complaint.

The debates:
Is there sch a thing as ethical animal farming?
Are there really feral animals or only feral humans?
.

But I am happy to go with the majority - I want to do EVERTHING!!

cheers ange


Angela Pollard
Regional Coordinator, NRCLSD
Centre Manager
Northern Rivers CLC
16 Carrington St, LISMORE, NSW , 2480
Ph: 02 66211 005
Fax: 66211011
Email: Angela_Pollard@...

" Northern Rivers Community Legal Centre can only provide advice in the
New South Wales and Commonwealth jurisdictions. If you are enquiring from
another State or Territory please contact your local Legal Centre. If you
are not the intended recipient of this email, please return it to Northern
Rivers Community Legal Centre . The information in this email is
confidential and must not be disclosed without authorisation by the
intended recipient."
Northern Rivers Community Legal Centre 10 Club Lane, Lismore NSW 2480
Telephone:02 66 211 000 or 1800 689 889 Fax: (02) 66211 011
Centre Email: nrclc@...

Hi everyone, here's my feedback on this weeks discussions...

1. Companion animals and wildlife - how to balance their interests.  I think
Anna's idea of focusing on local issues is a good one and that Lorraine's idea
of wildlife does that to some degree.  Like Anna, I would not want the workshop
to be an environmental protection workshop.  I think that there are enough
provisions in the Companion Animals Act and the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals
Act to cover the matrix between companion animals and wildlife without moving
too far into the Environmental Planning and Assessment Act.  Likewise
environmental protection by nature is based on species as a whole whereas animal
protection is based on protection of individual animals.  Some of the provisions
I wanted Joe Monks (LCC ranger) to talk about were to cover some of these
responsibilities.  I think it would be good to also delve into some of the PoCtA
provisions and perhaps deliberate on developing creative ways to protect native
animals under PoCtA that are currently largely ignored or overlooked. 
Importantly, such a workshop would serve to educate us how PoCtA can work for
non-domestic animals.  I think this is important because often native animals
are perceived to be protected only under environmental legislation.  I don't
think this is the case and I would like to see more actions protecting native
animals under PoCtA.  Likewise I think such a workshop might start to shift the
species approach to animal protection (environmentalism) toward an individual
approach.

2. Ethical farming practices may or may not serve our purposes.  I think that we
need to think strategically about this because it is my belief that we need to
build bridges, we need to bring farmers onboard with animal protection.  Perhaps
the best way for this topic to proceed, if indeed it does, would be to bring
farmers together to speak.  Let different farmers tell us what they do, why they
do it and discuss areas that they may increase welfare.  However, we should be
mindful to duplicate as little as possible.  Recall that Animal Liberation looks
at farming practices, lobbies on this platform, gets some great wins and have a
much bigger budget than we do.  I would want to see Animal Liberation kicking
the tin ($$$) if we were to run a workshop dedicated to factory farming or
agriculture in general.  As such I think a workshop like this one should be in
partnership with Animal Liberation and should be very strategically planned.

3. 'What can I do?' workshop.  I think this is a good one.  I would like this
one to focus on consumer action rather then when to ring 000 or the RSPCA. 
Consumer action is powerful and any change is done so largely because of changes
in demand for products and supply of $$$$.  Just letting people know that when
they buy pork products they are probably investing in caged cruelty is a
powerful educator.  Similarly, the more people ask their local butchers,
supermarkets and shops for vegetarian products, free range products and other
products that are not produced with high levels of cruelty will add to the waves
that will crush cruelty and the attendant passive acceptance of it.  If people
knew that soft leather from China was a result of skinning animals alive would
they so readily buy such products?  Likewise we could expand the discussion to
include laws regarding misleading or deceptive conduct, false representations,
labelling laws and issues and continue to build general awareness of marketing
strategies and advertising puffery.  Let people know that embedded in the market
theory of consumerism is the assumption of 'perfect knowledge'... which of
course is false... until we run a workshop!  :-)  This topic could also include
local activism such as lobbying local government for greater animal protections
eg implementing anti-animal circus policies, reducing the development consents
for factory farming and generally building up the protectionist capital within
local government via local community.  However perhaps the local community
activism could be dedicated to another topical workshop in itself.

4. Fact finding and evidence gathering workshop.  Perhaps a general workshop on
gathering evidence would be handy.  I have spoken to countless people who see
what they think is cruelty but when i ask key questions they cannot describe or
identify key facts or when i ask specific evidencial questions they find that
what they thought was happening was actually mistaken.  Eg an allegation that a
solo horse is continually tethered is misplaced with evidence of fresh horse poo
throughout the paddock or tracks of fresh hoof prints.  If the RSPCA receives
approx 11,000 complaints per year and prosecute only 200 perhaps some of the
issues are evidential.  I believe that they are.

5. The politics and paradigms of animal protection.  This workshop could explore
the different philosophical paradigms inherent in animal protection.  This will
serve to show the community how the fundamental ways we think about animals and
their relationships with humans is key to understanding what is happening and
how to change it.  This will also serve to educate those who believe, or allege
themselves to take an animal rights perspective, to understand the RSPCA
welfarist perspective compared to the Peter Singer welfarist perspective that
Mark Pearson was talking about.  It will also highlight that many of those who
think they are taking an animal rights perspective are not.  Understanding how
we think, how decision makers think is, I believe, key to animal protection and
law reform.

Workshops structure generally: Given the work the last workshop took, and given
my increasing workload beyond this committee, I could not in good conscience
support a workshop that was more than 3 hours unless we had a paid coordinator. 
I would rather see no workshop than one that was poorly run or poorly attended
and I would not attach my name to one that was poorly run.  I could support a
full day workshop (more like a conference) that was done in partnership with
SCU's animal law workshops (probably in Dec 2010) and that had significant
sponsorship contributions that could cover some of the costs inherent in a full
day workshop.  Knowing how much work this takes and knowing that I could not
commit to such a venture at this point, I would suggest we continue with 2-3
hour workshops.

Ange, let me know if and when you need fresh eyes for the application form.

:-)

Amber











--- In NRanimallaw@yahoogroups.com, "Angela Pollard" <angela_pollard@...> wrote:
>
> Hi folks , the grant application requires info on the committee members
> that will be helping with the project.
> I need to do a short rave in the application and attach cvs.
>
> So could folks send me their cvs and either send me a short paragraph
> about themselves (eg animal inteests , skills and abilities to do with the
> project) or I will do it based on cvs receieved. Need be mid next week
> pls.
>
> For my five cents worth on the workshops:
>
> Practical Workshops:
> I vote for the responsible companion animal ownership re wildlife (need
> others to give me dot points as to what this would entail) Is irt
> enoughfor a two hour workshop?
> I wouild like to pitch for a practical workshop something like:  "what can
> I do?" which could cover for eg ethical purchasing, minimum standards for
> companion, livestock, factory animal welfare and what to keep an eye on in
> your neighborhood/ village ( chanied dogs, habitat, tree felling, horses
> in paddocks etc)  . What to do if the RSPCA  doesnt follow up my
> complaint.
>
> The debates:
> Is there sch a thing as ethical animal farming?
> Are there really feral animals or only feral humans?
> .
>
> But I am happy to go with the majority - I want to do EVERTHING!!
>
> cheers ange
>
>
> Angela Pollard
> Regional Coordinator, NRCLSD
> Centre Manager
> Northern Rivers CLC
> 16 Carrington St, LISMORE, NSW , 2480
> Ph: 02 66211 005
> Fax: 66211011
> Email: Angela_Pollard@...
>
> " Northern Rivers Community Legal Centre can only provide advice in the
> New South Wales and Commonwealth jurisdictions. If you are enquiring from
> another State or Territory please contact your local Legal Centre. If you
> are not the intended recipient of this email, please return it to Northern
> Rivers Community Legal Centre . The information in this email is
> confidential and must not be disclosed without authorisation by the
> intended recipient."
> Northern Rivers Community Legal Centre 10 Club Lane, Lismore NSW 2480
> Telephone:02 66 211 000 or 1800 689 889 Fax: (02) 66211 011
> Centre Email: nrclc@...
>

Hi everyone, I'm wondering if we could, at the next meeting, start developing a
strategic plan for our Animal Law project.  To be honest, I am a little
concerned that we are applying for funding without such a plan, however given
community education is a part of our mission statement etc i think its
appropriate to do so and think we should continue on the present path.

I would however like us to start think more strategically so that we can roll
out our activites in a planned and contemplated manner.

What do you think?

Amber

Im with you on that Amber.Think that would add a lot of clarity to decisions we
make re topics and focus areas. Shall put some serious thought into it.

--- In NRanimallaw@yahoogroups.com, "flyinthruworlds" <amber.legaleagle@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, I'm wondering if we could, at the next meeting, start developing
a strategic plan for our Animal Law project.  To be honest, I am a little
concerned that we are applying for funding without such a plan, however given
community education is a part of our mission statement etc i think its
appropriate to do so and think we should continue on the present path.
>
> I would however like us to start think more strategically so that we can roll
out our activites in a planned and contemplated manner.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Amber
>

NRanimallaw@yahoogroups.com writes:
>rt developing a strategic plan for our Animal Law project. To be honest,
>I am a little concerned that we are applying for funding without such a
>plan, however given community education is a part of our mission
>statement etc i think its appropriate to do so and think we should
>continue on the present path.
>>
>> I would however like us to start think more strategically so that we
>can roll out our activites in a planned and contemplated manner.
>>
I agree- i think next meeting can be a start
cheers

Angela Pollard
Regional Coordinator, NRCLSD
Centre Manager
Northern Rivers CLC
16 Carrington St, LISMORE, NSW , 2480
Ph: 02 66211 005
Fax: 66211011
Email: Angela_Pollard@...

" Northern Rivers Community Legal Centre can only provide advice in the
New South Wales and Commonwealth jurisdictions. If you are enquiring from
another State or Territory please contact your local Legal Centre. If you
are not the intended recipient of this email, please return it to Northern
Rivers Community Legal Centre . The information in this email is
confidential and must not be disclosed without authorisation by the
intended recipient."
Northern Rivers Community Legal Centre 10 Club Lane, Lismore NSW 2480
Telephone:02 66 211 000 or 1800 689 889 Fax: (02) 66211 011
Centre Email: nrclc@...

Hi everyone, I've drafted some recommendations that I would like to send to the
DPI regarding the Proposed Exhibited Animals Protection Regulation 2010.  The
current reguations are due to be automatically repealed in September 2010.

Below are my recommendations, however I will upload the document into the "file"
section and enable 'track changes' so that any recommended changes by any
committee members can be easily integrated.  I will also upload the proposed
reguations for your ease.

I have also drafted a suggested cover letter, that will need to come from the
CLC...

Feedback and changes welcome, note this submission needs to be in by the 13th
July.

Cheers

Amber

......



Cover letter

The Northern Rivers Community Legal Centre (NRCLC) was established in 1996 and
is part of the National Association of Community Legal Centres.  In 2009 the
NRCLC established the Northern Rivers Animal Law Project that involves regional
lawyers, law students and animal and environmental advocates and carers.

Our mission is to assist the Northern Rivers community to access legal advice
and representation to advance animal welfare through the legal system, and
engage in law reform and community education activities to improve the legal
protections for animals.

We would like to submit some comments and recommendations in regards to the
Proposed Exhibited Animals Protection Regulation 2010.







Recommendation 1

Add the words `at least' after `kept and exhibited' in clause 17 of the
Regulations, so that clause 17 reads:

It is a condition of every approval under Division 2 of Part 3 of the Act
authorising the exhibition of an animal at a circus that the animal will be kept
and exhibited at least in accordance with the Standards for Exhibiting Circus
Animals in New South Wales approved and published by the Directory-General.

Rationale for recommendation:

Amend the wording of clause 17 of the Regulations to reflect the outcomes
articulated in the Standards for Exhibiting Circus Animals in New South Wales. 
In the Standards at clause 2(1) it states that the Standards have been developed
to `maximise the welfare of animals'… and at clause 2(2) that all space
requirements are minimum requirements and that all exhibitors are encouraged to
`make enclosures larger' than those listed in the Standards.  This suggests that
the Standards contain provisions that are not best practice and thus do not
maximise the welfare of animals.  Given this, clause 17 of the Regulations
should be reworded to encourage exhibitors to go beyond the minimal requirements
articulated in the Standards and toward best practice.


Recommendation 2

Recommended addition to clause 31(1): Add an additional subsection being (v) to
clause 31(1), thereby creating clause 31(1)(v) to include: the Prevention of
Cruelty to Animals Act 1979

Rationale for recommendation

Because the Exhibited Animals Protection Act and Regulations do not affect the
provisions of the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979, clause 31 should
specifically include the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979 in relation
to acquiring an animal for exhibition.  In this way the acquisition of animals
for exhibition continues to be according to laws regulating animal welfare and
this continues to be expressed in the Regulations.


Recommendation 3

Substitute the word `is' for `are' in clause 33(3) where it reads: `Where an
exemption is given subject to conditions, the exemption does not have effect
while any of the conditions are not being complied with.'

Recommendation 4

In clause 35(6):
a) Add the words `or ought to know' after `that the person knows'; and
b) Add the words `or likely to mislead or deceive' after `to be false of
misleading'; and
c) Substitute the word `particular' with `way'.

So that clause 35(6) reads: A person must not enter, or allow an entry to be
made, in the animal records that the person knows or ought to know to be false
or misleading or likely to mislead in a material way.

Rationale for recommendation:

a) Despite the fact that knowledge includes wilful blindness, the addition of
the words `ought to know' reduces the possibility of reckless decision making in
regards to acquiring an animals.
b) Adding the words `or likely to misled or deceive' makes this provision
consistent with other legislation dealing with misleading or deceptive conduct.
c) The word `way' in this provision is more appropriate than `particular' when
referring to material matters because it makes more sense to the ordinary person
and it does not cause ambiguity by referring to a word that has legal
significance in bringing actions, eg statements of particulars, provision of
more and better particulars.


Recommendation 5

In Schedule 2 of the Regulations, under the heading `Schedule 2' and before the
heading `Part 1' add:

Any animal or fauna species not specifically listed in this Schedule are
prescribed animals if that animal or fauna species is:
a) listed as a CITIES animal; or
b) listed  or about to be listed on the NSW threatened species list in
accordance with the Threatened Species Conservation Act 1995; or
c) listed or about to be listed on the Commonwealth threatened species list in
accordance with the Environmental Protection and Biological Conservation Act
1999.

For the purposes of this Schedule animal means fauna.

Rationale for recommendation:
Prescribed animals for the purpose of sections 24 and 25 of the Act as listed in
Schedule 2 of the Regulations should, for the purpose of encouraging the clause
14 conservation education goal include internationally, domestically and locally
listed species as prescribed animals.  In this way the administrative task of
updating the animals listed in Schedule 2 is reduced by enabling the automatic
updating of Schedule 2 animals with changes to the status of the relevant
threatened species lists.

Recommendation 6

For the purposes of the Ministerial Advisory Committee pursuant to section 6 of
the Act, prescribed organisations listed in clause 40(2) of the Regulations
should include only those organisations that are readily identifiable to the
public and who have significant membership with the exhibited animals industry.

The Circus Federation of Australia's website states that they have 5 members. 
This does not constitute adequate membership suffice to be included on the
section 6 Advisory Committee.  The Circus Federation of Australia should be
excluded from clause 40(2) of the Regulations and should not be a prescribed
organisation for the purpose of section 6(4)(f) of the Act.

The Mobile Wildlife Educators Association does not appear to be an organisation
that is listed or registered with the Australian Business Register.  If it is
registered under another name then that name should be the name used in clause
40(2) of the Regulations.  However, this organisation does not appear to have a
website and is therefore not sufficiently accessible to the public.  This Mobile
Wildlife Educators Association should be excluded from clause 40(2) of the
Regulations and should not be a prescribed organisation for the purpose of
section 6(4)(f) of the Act.

Recommendation 7

Increase penalty points contained within offence provisions of the Regulations
from 10 to 50.

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the NRanimallaw
group.

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You can access this file at the URL:
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%20Protection%20Regulations%202010.doc

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
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Regards,

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Hi everyone, here's my feedback on this weeks discussions...

1. Companion animals and wildlife - how to balance their interests.  I think Anna's idea of focusing on local issues is a good one and that Lorraine's idea of wildlife does that to some degree.  Like Anna, I would not want the workshop to be an environmental protection workshop.  I think that there are enough provisions in the Companion Animals Act and the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act to cover the matrix between companion animals and wildlife without moving too far into the Environmental Planning and Assessment Act.  Likewise environmental protection by nature is based on species as a whole whereas animal protection is based on protection of individual animals.  Some of the provisions I wanted Joe Monks (LCC ranger) to talk about were to cover some of these responsibilities.  I think it would be good to also delve into some of the PoCtA provisions and perhaps deliberate on developing creative ways to protect native animals under PoCtA that are currently largely ignore d or overlooked.  Importantly, such a workshop would serve to educate us how PoCtA can work for non-domestic animals.  I think this is important because often native animals are perceived to be protected only under environmental legislation.  I don't think this is the case and I would like to see more actions protecting native animals under PoCtA.  Likewise I think such a workshop might start to shift the species approach to animal protection (environmentalism) toward an individual approach.

2. Ethical farming practices may or may not serve our purposes.  I think that we need to think strategically about this because it is my belief that we need to build bridges, we need to bring farmers onboard with animal protection.  Perhaps the best way for this topic to proceed, if indeed it does, would be to bring farmers together to speak.  Let different farmers tell us what they do, why they do it and discuss areas that they may increase welfare.  However, we should be mindful to duplicate as little as possible.  Recall that Animal Liberation looks at farming practices, lobbies on this platform, gets some great wins and have a much bigger budget than we do.  I would want to see Animal Liberation kicking the tin ($$$) if we were to run a workshop dedicated to factory farming or agriculture in general.  As such I think a workshop like this one should be in partnership with Animal Liberation and should be very strategically planned.

3. 'What can I do?' workshop.  I think this is a good one.  I would like this one to focus on consumer action rather then when to ring 000 or the RSPCA.  Consumer action is powerful and any change is done so largely because of changes in demand for products and supply of $$$$.  Just letting people know that when they buy pork products they are probably investing in caged cruelty is a powerful educator.  Similarly, the more people ask their local butchers, supermarkets and shops for vegetarian products, free range products and other products that are not produced with high levels of cruelty will add to the waves that will crush cruelty and the attendant passive acceptance of it.  If people knew that soft leather from China was a result of skinning animals alive would they so readily buy such products?  Likewise we could expand the discussion to include laws regarding misleading or deceptive conduct, false representations, labelling laws and issues and continue to build general awareness of marketing strategies and advertising puffery.  Let people know that embedded in the market theory of consumerism is the assumption of 'perfect knowledge'... which of course is false... until we run a workshop!  :-)  This topic could also include local activism such as lobbying local government for greater animal protections eg implementing anti-animal circus policies, reducing the development consents for factory farming and generally building up the protectionist capital within local government via local community.  However perhaps the local community activism could be dedicated to another topical workshop in itself.

4. Fact finding and evidence gathering workshop.  Perhaps a general workshop on gathering evidence would be handy.  I have spoken to countless people who see what they think is cruelty but when i ask key questions they cannot describe or identify key facts or when i ask specific evidencial questions they find that what they thought was happening was actually mistaken.  Eg an allegation that a solo horse is continually tethered is misplaced with evidence of fresh horse poo throughout the paddock or tracks of fresh hoof prints.  If the RSPCA receives approx 11,000 complaints per year and prosecute only 200 perhaps some of the issues are evidential.  I believe that they are.

5. The politics and paradigms of animal protection.  This workshop could explore the different philosophical paradigms inherent in animal protection.  This will serve to show the community how the fundamental ways we think about animals and their relationships with humans is key to understanding what is happening and how to change it.  This will also serve to educate those who believe, or allege themselves to take an animal rights perspective, to understand the RSPCA welfarist perspective compared to the Peter Singer welfarist perspective that Mark Pearson was talking about.  It will also highlight that many of those who think they are taking an animal rights perspective are not.  Understanding how we think, how decision makers think is, I believe, key to animal protection and law reform.

Workshops structure generally: Given the work the last workshop took, and given my increasing workload beyond this committee, I could not in good conscience support a workshop that was more than 3 hours unless we had a paid coordinator.  I would rather see no workshop than one that was poorly run or poorly attended and I would not attach my name to one that was poorly run.  I could support a full day workshop (more like a conference) that was done in partnership with SCU's animal law workshops (probably in Dec 2010) and that had significant sponsorship contributions that could cover some of the costs inherent in a full day workshop.  Knowing how much work this takes and knowing that I could not commit to such a venture at this point, I would suggest we continue with 2-3 hour workshops.

Ange, let me know if and when you need fresh eyes for the application form.

:-)

Amber

--- In NRanimallaw@yahoogroups.com <mailto:NRanimallaw%40yahoogroups.com> , "Angela Pollard" <angela_pollard@...> wrote:
>
> Hi folks , the grant application requires info on the committee members
> that will be helping with the project.
> I need to do a short rave in the application and attach cvs.
>
> So could folks send me their cvs and either send me a short paragraph
> about themselves (eg animal inteests , skills and abilities to do with the
> project) or I will do it based on cvs receieved. Need be mid next week
> pls.
>
> For my five cents worth on the workshops:
>
> Practical Workshops:
> I vote for the responsible companion animal ownership re wildlife (need
> others to give me dot points as to what this would entail) Is irt
> enoughfor a two hour workshop?
> I wouild like to pitch for a practical workshop something like:  "what can
> I do?" which could cover for eg ethical purchasing, minimum standards for
> companion, livestock, factory animal welfare and what to keep an eye on in
> your neighborhood/ village ( chanied dogs, habitat, tree felling, horses
> in paddocks etc)  . What to do if the RSPCA  doesnt follow up my
> complaint.
>
> The debates:
> Is there sch a thing as ethical animal farming?
> Are there really feral animals or only feral humans?
> .
>
> But I am happy to go with the majority - I want to do EVERTHING!!
>
> cheers ange
>
>
> Angela Pollard
> Regional Coordinator, NRCLSD
> Centre Manager
> Northern Rivers CLC
> 16 Carrington St, LISMORE, NSW , 2480
> Ph: 02 66211 005
> Fax: 66211011
> Email: Angela_Pollard@...
>
> " Northern Rivers Community Legal Centre can only provide advice in the
> New South Wales and Commonwealth jurisdictions. If you are enquiring from
> another State or Territory please contact your local Legal Centre. If you
> are not the intended recipient of this email, please return it to Northern
> Rivers Community Legal Centre . The information in this email is
> confidential and must not be disclosed without authorisation by the
> intended recipient."
> Northern Rivers Community Legal Centre 10 Club Lane, Lismore NSW 2480
> Telephone:02 66 211 000 or 1800 689 889 Fax: (02) 66211 011
> Centre Email: nrclc@...
>

 
   

At the meeting on Tuesday 7th September, we agreed to circulate the RSPCA
proposal for discussion. Can you please post your copmments in the yahoo
group.  Commnents are due by the 15th of September. If there is general
agreemnt, i will sent an endorsement to the RSCPA from  AL&EP.


cheers ange.

Dear Sir/Madam,



RSPCA Australia considers puppy farming to be a significant national
animal welfare issue. To address puppy farming at a national level and to
generate much needed discussion and debate regarding this serious animal
welfare issue, RSPCA Australia released the RSPCA Australia Puppy Farm
Discussion Paper in January 2010, available here: [
http://www.rspca.org.au/assets/files/Campaigns/RSPCAPuppyFarmDiscussionPaperJan2\
010.pdf
]http://www.rspca.org.au/assets/files/Campaigns/RSPCAPuppyFarmDiscussionPaperJan\
2010.pdf



Back in January 2010, RSPCA Australia called for submissions on the
Discussion Paper with the intention of seeking comment and feedback from a
broad audience. To achieve this, the paper was sent to key stakeholders
and was made publicly available on the RSPCA Australia website. We
received over 100 responses to the Discussion Paper from individuals and
various organisations. All of the responses were carefully considered,
summarised and used to help develop a draft consensus document, based on
the framework of ideas presented in the Discussion Paper.



In August, RSPCA Australia convened a meeting involving a number of key
stakeholders, including representatives from the AAWS Companion Animal
Working Group, Australian Association of Pet Dog Breeders, Australian
National Kennel Council, Australian Veterinary Association, Animal Welfare
League Queensland, DeathrowPets, Dogs NSW, Master Dog Breeders and
Associates, NSW Young Lawyers, Pet Industry Association Australia, RSPCA
NSW, RSPCA QLD, RSPCA Victoria and RSPCA Australia to work through the
consensus document and reach agreement on a final version. The attached
document reflects the outcome of that process: it presents a series of
agreed problems, desired outcomes and ways forward which, if implemented,
would bring a complete end to puppy farming in Australia.



The next stage of this vitally important work is to garner a substantial
base of support for the actions presented in this document. The wider the
support base, the more effective we can all be in effecting change in the
regulation of the breeding and sale of puppies in Australia.



To indicate the support of your organisation, we are seeking a letter
indicating formal endorsement of the attached document.



If you do not represent an organisation you can still write to us to
indicate your support as an individual and we will include you in future
communications and activities.



The initial deadline for endorsement is Monday 20 September 2010. All
organisations that have signed up by this date will be able to be included
in subsequent media activities and can be named on the website which will
act as the public face of this initiative. If you aren’t able to sign up
by this deadline, there will still be the opportunity to endorse the
document at a later date, but obviously the more organisations we can
involve at the beginning, the better.



Please feel free to pass this document on to any other interested parties
for their formal endorsement. This is an inclusive process and all
organisations that support the actions presented in the document are
welcome.



If you are likely to have any problem meeting this deadline, or have any
questions regarding endorsing the document, please do not hesitate to
contact me.



Thank you.



Yours sincerely,







RSPCA Australia

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I have not researched the issues in detail, but based on my limited knowledge of
the area these seem like good, sound measures. I think we should endorse the
measures outlined in the discussion paper.
Cheers,
Steph

--- In NRanimallaw@yahoogroups.com, "Angela Pollard" <angela_pollard@...> wrote:
>
> At the meeting on Tuesday 7th September, we agreed to circulate the RSPCA
> proposal for discussion. Can you please post your copmments in the yahoo
> group.  Commnents are due by the 15th of September. If there is general
> agreemnt, i will sent an endorsement to the RSCPA from  AL&EP.
>
>
> cheers ange.
>
> Dear Sir/Madam,
>
>
>
> RSPCA Australia considers puppy farming to be a significant national
> animal welfare issue. To address puppy farming at a national level and to
> generate much needed discussion and debate regarding this serious animal
> welfare issue, RSPCA Australia released the RSPCA Australia Puppy Farm
> Discussion Paper in January 2010, available here: [
>
http://www.rspca.org.au/assets/files/Campaigns/RSPCAPuppyFarmDiscussionPaperJan2\
010.pdf
>
]http://www.rspca.org.au/assets/files/Campaigns/RSPCAPuppyFarmDiscussionPaperJan\
2010.pdf
>
>
>
> Back in January 2010, RSPCA Australia called for submissions on the
> Discussion Paper with the intention of seeking comment and feedback from a
> broad audience. To achieve this, the paper was sent to key stakeholders
> and was made publicly available on the RSPCA Australia website. We
> received over 100 responses to the Discussion Paper from individuals and
> various organisations. All of the responses were carefully considered,
> summarised and used to help develop a draft consensus document, based on
> the framework of ideas presented in the Discussion Paper.
>
>
>
> In August, RSPCA Australia convened a meeting involving a number of key
> stakeholders, including representatives from the AAWS Companion Animal
> Working Group, Australian Association of Pet Dog Breeders, Australian
> National Kennel Council, Australian Veterinary Association, Animal Welfare
> League Queensland, DeathrowPets, Dogs NSW, Master Dog Breeders and
> Associates, NSW Young Lawyers, Pet Industry Association Australia, RSPCA
> NSW, RSPCA QLD, RSPCA Victoria and RSPCA Australia to work through the
> consensus document and reach agreement on a final version. The attached
> document reflects the outcome of that process: it presents a series of
> agreed problems, desired outcomes and ways forward which, if implemented,
> would bring a complete end to puppy farming in Australia.
>
>
>
> The next stage of this vitally important work is to garner a substantial
> base of support for the actions presented in this document. The wider the
> support base, the more effective we can all be in effecting change in the
> regulation of the breeding and sale of puppies in Australia.
>
>
>
> To indicate the support of your organisation, we are seeking a letter
> indicating formal endorsement of the attached document.
>
>
>
> If you do not represent an organisation you can still write to us to
> indicate your support as an individual and we will include you in future
> communications and activities.
>
>
>
> The initial deadline for endorsement is Monday 20 September 2010. All
> organisations that have signed up by this date will be able to be included
> in subsequent media activities and can be named on the website which will
> act as the public face of this initiative. If you aren't able to sign up
> by this deadline, there will still be the opportunity to endorse the
> document at a later date, but obviously the more organisations we can
> involve at the beginning, the better.
>
>
>
> Please feel free to pass this document on to any other interested parties
> for their formal endorsement. This is an inclusive process and all
> organisations that support the actions presented in the document are
> welcome.
>
>
>
> If you are likely to have any problem meeting this deadline, or have any
> questions regarding endorsing the document, please do not hesitate to
> contact me.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> RSPCA Australia
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Hi folks, please give me your feedback re this draft letter. I have spoken
with Cr Yarnell( who propsed the motion) and have incorporated his
suggestions.


Tuesday, 14th September 2010

The Hon Jenny Dowell,
Mayor
Lismore City Council
43 Oliver Ave
LISMORE, NSW, 2480

Dear Mayor Dowell,

Re: Caged eggs ban

The Northern Rivers Community Legal Centre’s Animal Law & Education
Project (AL&EP) would like to congratulate Lismore City Council on passing
a motion to ban the use of caged eggs at council functions. Lismore will
now join 18 other local councils across NSW in making a strong statement
that animal welfare issues are relevant considerations when engaging in
all council activities.

AL&EP was established in 2009 as a volunteer group of local residents
after the holding of a forum to gauge community support for the legal
centre to auspice an animal welfare group focusing on legal education and
law reform. The forum was over-subscribed and the clear message from
participants was that animal welfare legal education and reform were
important issues for our region.

Our AL&EP group recently hosted its first community education workshop
(with the assistance of a Lismore City Council ranger amongst the
speakers) where over fifty members of the community attended. Participant
feedback indicated that people care deeply about animal cruelty and are
keen to see real changes in how animals are treated, especially in areas
such as intensive factory farming.

We are confident that council staff will be able to carry out both the
spirit and the intent of the motion as our region has many suppliers that
can provide appropriate and affordable free range options for council
functions.

On behalf of AL&EP, I would like to commend Lismore City Council for
recognising that the triple bottom line of good governance includes taking
into account environmental and ethical concerns.


Yours faithfully
Angela Pollard
Centre Manager
Northern Rivers CLC


cheers ange.

Angela Pollard
Regional Coordinator, NRCLSD
Centre Manager
Northern Rivers CLC
16 Carrington St, LISMORE, NSW , 2480
Ph: 02 66211 005
Fax: 66211011
Email: Angela_Pollard@...

" Northern Rivers Community Legal Centre can only provide advice in the
New South Wales and Commonwealth jurisdictions. If you are enquiring from
another State or Territory please contact your local Legal Centre. If you
are not the intended recipient of this email, please return it to Northern
Rivers Community Legal Centre . The information in this email is
confidential and must not be disclosed without authorisation by the
intended recipient."

 
 
   

Hi folks, please give me your feedback re this draft letter. I have spoken
with Cr Yarnell( who propsed the motion) and have incorporated his
suggestions.

Tuesday, 14th September 2010

The Hon Jenny Dowell,
Mayor
Lismore City Council
43 Oliver Ave
LISMORE, NSW, 2480

Dear Mayor Dowell,

Re: Caged eggs ban

The Northern Rivers Community Legal Centre’s Animal Law & Education
Project (AL&EP) would like to congratulate Lismore City Council on passing
a motion to ban the use of caged eggs at council functions. Lismore will
now join 18 other local councils across NSW in making a strong statement
that animal welfare issues are relevant considerations when engaging in
all council activities.  

AL&EP was established in 2009 as a volunteer group of local residents
after the holding of a forum to gauge community support for the legal
centre to auspice an animal welfare group focusing on legal education and
law reform. The forum was over-subscribed and the clear message from
participants was that animal welfare legal education and reform were
important issues for our region.

Our AL&EP group recently hosted its first community education workshop
(with the assistance of a Lismore City Council ranger amongst the
speakers) where over fifty members of the community attended. Participant
feedback indicated that people care deeply about animal cruelty and are
keen to see real changes in how animals are treated, especially in areas
such as intensive factory farming.  

We are confident that council staff will be able to carry out both the
spirit and the intent of the motion as our region has many suppliers that
can provide appropriate and affordable free range options for council
functions.

On behalf of AL&EP, I would like to commend Lismore City Council for
recognising that the triple bottom line of good governance includes taking
into account environmental and ethical concerns.

Yours faithfully
Angela Pollard
Centre Manager
Northern Rivers CLC

cheers ange.

Angela Pollard
Regional Coordinator, NRCLSD
Centre Manager
Northern Rivers CLC
16 Carrington St, LISMORE, NSW , 2480
Ph: 02 66211 005
Fax: 66211011
Email: Angela_Pollard@... <mailto:Angela_Pollard%40clc.net.au>

" Northern Rivers Community Legal Centre can only provide advice in the
New South Wales and Commonwealth jurisdictions. If you are enquiring from
another State or Territory please contact your local Legal Centre. If you
are not the intended recipient of this email, please return it to Northern
Rivers Community Legal Centre . The information in this email is
confidential and must not be disclosed without authorisation by the
intended recipient."

 
   

NRanimallaw@yahoogroups.com writes:
> 1 line about the level of suffering involved in cage egg production v
>systems where hens are (relatively) free to express natural behaviours?
Yep, happy to do that.
cheers ange.

Angela Pollard
Regional Coordinator, NRCLSD
Centre Manager
Northern Rivers CLC
16 Carrington St, LISMORE, NSW , 2480
Ph: 02 66211 005
Fax: 66211011
Email: Angela_Pollard@...

" Northern Rivers Community Legal Centre can only provide advice in the
New South Wales and Commonwealth jurisdictions. If you are enquiring from
another State or Territory please contact your local Legal Centre. If you
are not the intended recipient of this email, please return it to Northern
Rivers Community Legal Centre . The information in this email is
confidential and must not be disclosed without authorisation by the
intended recipient."

This letter posted today:

The Hon Jenny Dowell,
Mayor
Lismore City Council
43 Oliver Ave
LISMORE, NSW, 2480

Dear Mayor Dowell,

Re: Caged eggs ban

The Northern Rivers Community Legal Centre’s Animal Law & Education
Project (AL&EP) would like to congratulate Lismore City Council on passing
a motion to ban the use of caged eggs at council functions. Lismore will
now join 18 other local councils across NSW in making a strong statement
that animal welfare issues are relevant considerations when engaging in
all council activities.
AL&EP was established in 2009 as a volunteer group of local residents
after the holding of a forum to gauge community support for the legal
centre to auspice an animal welfare group focusing on legal education and
law reform. The forum was over-subscribed and the clear message from
participants was that animal welfare legal education and reform were
important issues for our region.

Our AL&EP group recently hosted its first community education workshop
(with the assistance of a Lismore City Council ranger amongst the
speakers) where over fifty members of the community attended. Participant
feedback indicated that people care deeply about animal cruelty and are
keen to see real changes in how animals are treated, especially in areas
such as intensive factory farming.  The cruel and unnecessary suffering
caused by the cramped conditions experienced by hens in caged egg
production is but one example of such unacceptable intensive “farming”
practices.

We are confident that council staff will be able to carry out both the
spirit and the intent of the motion in sourcing products for council
functions as our region has many suppliers that provide affordable free
range options where hens are better able to express natural behaviours.

On behalf of AL&EP, I would like to commend Lismore City Council for
recognising that the triple bottom line of good governance includes taking
into account environmental and ethical concerns.


Yours faithfully
Angela Pollard
Centre Manager
Northern Rivers CLC





cheers ange.

Angela Pollard
Regional Coordinator, NRCLSD
Centre Manager
Northern Rivers CLC
16 Carrington St, LISMORE, NSW , 2480
Ph: 02 66211 005
Fax: 66211011
Email: Angela_Pollard@...

" Northern Rivers Community Legal Centre can only provide advice in the
New South Wales and Commonwealth jurisdictions. If you are enquiring from
another State or Territory please contact your local Legal Centre. If you
are not the intended recipient of this email, please return it to Northern
Rivers Community Legal Centre . The information in this email is
confidential and must not be disclosed without authorisation by the
intended recipient."

I sent this email today to meet the Monday deadline.


Endorsement of RSPCA Puppy Farm Discussion Paper  Jan 2010

The Northern Rivers Community Legal Centre’s Animal Law & Education
Project (AL&EP) endorses RSPCA Australia's 2010 Discussion Paper on Puppy
Farms and  supports the RSPCA's recommendations for elimination of the
cruel and inhumane trade in puppies known as "puppy farms".

AL&EP is a a volunteer initiative of the Northern Rivers Community Legal
Centre. Volunteers are drawn from the Northern Rivers general community,
wildlife carers, companion animal carers, lawyers and law students,
environmentalists and animal welfare lobbyists. AL&EP's mission is to
progress animal welfare & protection issues through community legal
education and engaging in law reform activities.

We support the RSCPA in working towards ensuring the implementation of the
recommendations contained in the Discussion Paper.


Regards

Angela Pollard
Centre Manager
Northern Rivers Community Legal Centre
16 Carrington St, LISMORE, NSW , 2480
Ph: 02 66211 005
Fax: 66211011
Email: Angela_Pollard@...

" Northern Rivers Community Legal Centre can only provide advice in the
New South Wales and Commonwealth jurisdictions. If you are enquiring from
another State or Territory please contact your local Legal Centre. If you
are not the intended recipient of this email, please return it to Northern
Rivers Community Legal Centre . The information in this email is
confidential and must not be disclosed without authorisation by the
intended recipient."

Hi folks, see attached minutes and actions. See you on the 5thOctober.

cheers ange.

Angela Pollard
Regional Coordinator, NRCLSD
Centre Manager
Northern Rivers CLC
16 Carrington St, LISMORE, NSW , 2480
Ph: 02 66211 005
Fax: 66211011
Email: Angela_Pollard@...

" Northern Rivers Community Legal Centre can only provide advice in the
New South Wales and Commonwealth jurisdictions. If you are enquiring from
another State or Territory please contact your local Legal Centre. If you
are not the intended recipient of this email, please return it to Northern
Rivers Community Legal Centre . The information in this email is
confidential and must not be disclosed without authorisation by the
intended recipient."

Well the long awaited publication of the Regulations pursuant to public
consultation and submissions has occurred.

Apparently 13 submissions were made to the Regulations.  We are named as one of
them and it lists the recommendations we made... see:
http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0018/354051/exhibited-animals-p\
rotection-regulation-2010-public-consultation-outcomes.pdf

No changes were made based on our recommendations... this includes not
implementing the recommended change based on grammatical error!  It appears that
of all the submissions only those from the Taronga Conservation Society
Australia were implemented.

Note that the actual wording of ours and others submissions are published. 
Given our recommendation to clause 40(2) it is possible we will be the target of
some flack!

Amber

Great work Amber, and I look forward to the flack

cheers ange.

Angela Pollard
Regional Coordinator, NRCLSD
Centre Manager
Northern Rivers CLC
16 Carrington St, LISMORE, NSW , 2480
Ph: 02 66211 005
Fax: 66211011
Email: Angela_Pollard@...

" Northern Rivers Community Legal Centre can only provide advice in the
New South Wales and Commonwealth jurisdictions. If you are enquiring from
another State or Territory please contact your local Legal Centre. If you
are not the intended recipient of this email, please return it to Northern
Rivers Community Legal Centre . The information in this email is
confidential and must not be disclosed without authorisation by the
intended recipient."

Sorry for late response... I'm happy with the letter and subsequent
recommendations

:-)

Amber



--- In NRanimallaw@yahoogroups.com, "Angela Pollard" <angela_pollard@...> wrote:
>
> This letter posted today:
>
> The Hon Jenny Dowell,
> Mayor
> Lismore City Council
> 43 Oliver Ave
> LISMORE, NSW, 2480
>
> Dear Mayor Dowell,
>
> Re: Caged eggs ban
>
> The Northern Rivers Community Legal Centre's Animal Law & Education
> Project (AL&EP) would like to congratulate Lismore City Council on passing
> a motion to ban the use of caged eggs at council functions. Lismore will
> now join 18 other local councils across NSW in making a strong statement
> that animal welfare issues are relevant considerations when engaging in
> all council activities.
> AL&EP was established in 2009 as a volunteer group of local residents
> after the holding of a forum to gauge community support for the legal
> centre to auspice an animal welfare group focusing on legal education and
> law reform. The forum was over-subscribed and the clear message from
> participants was that animal welfare legal education and reform were
> important issues for our region.
>
> Our AL&EP group recently hosted its first community education workshop
> (with the assistance of a Lismore City Council ranger amongst the
> speakers) where over fifty members of the community attended. Participant
> feedback indicated that people care deeply about animal cruelty and are
> keen to see real changes in how animals are treated, especially in areas
> such as intensive factory farming.  The cruel and unnecessary suffering
> caused by the cramped conditions experienced by hens in caged egg
> production is but one example of such unacceptable intensive "farming"
> practices.
>
> We are confident that council staff will be able to carry out both the
> spirit and the intent of the motion in sourcing products for council
> functions as our region has many suppliers that provide affordable free
> range options where hens are better able to express natural behaviours.
>
> On behalf of AL&EP, I would like to commend Lismore City Council for
> recognising that the triple bottom line of good governance includes taking
> into account environmental and ethical concerns.
>
>
> Yours faithfully
> Angela Pollard
> Centre Manager
> Northern Rivers CLC
>
>
>
>
>
> cheers ange.
>
> Angela Pollard
> Regional Coordinator, NRCLSD
> Centre Manager
> Northern Rivers CLC
> 16 Carrington St, LISMORE, NSW , 2480
> Ph: 02 66211 005
> Fax: 66211011
> Email: Angela_Pollard@...
>
> " Northern Rivers Community Legal Centre can only provide advice in the
> New South Wales and Commonwealth jurisdictions. If you are enquiring from
> another State or Territory please contact your local Legal Centre. If you
> are not the intended recipient of this email, please return it to Northern
> Rivers Community Legal Centre . The information in this email is
> confidential and must not be disclosed without authorisation by the
> intended recipient."
>

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the NRanimallaw
group.

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I have uploaded the Animal Activists conference registration form in the 'files'
section of the forum.  The forum is on Sunday the 24th October from 11:30am to
3pm.  The form says that registration is due by the 24th September.  I have
registed late and thus if you register soon that might be ok.

cheers

Amber

correction starts at 9am
:-)

--- In NRanimallaw@yahoogroups.com, "flyinthruworlds" <amber.legaleagle@...>
wrote:
>
> I have uploaded the Animal Activists conference registration form in the
'files' section of the forum.  The forum is on Sunday the 24th October from
11:30am to 3pm.  The form says that registration is due by the 24th September. 
I have registed late and thus if you register soon that might be ok.
>
> cheers
>
> Amber
>

Hi everyone, just thought that I would post my honours thesis so that you could
have a look, in your leisure time, and know what angle I am embarking on in
animal protection research.  This thesis is making the rounds through the animal
protection network in Australia and it appears it has already made it's way
overseas.  In the meantime I am attempting to get it published by a peer review
journal.

I'll add the file in the Files section.

:-)

Amber

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1. the assessment was of the interaction of deprivation of nourishment and transport. Obviously this is the combination in question for the amendments. However, the focus of the study appeared to be whether the 30 hours cause any additional stress on top of transport, not whether it was in itself a stressful practice or any associated welfare effects. To me, I would think that the nutrition issue would need to be looked at by itself as well as in combination with the transport issue for a valid welfare conclusion to be drawn.
2. the conclusion was not that there were no effects but that there were no significant effects. Some effects, most notably for blood glucose, were noted and were also attributed to the deprivation of nutrition for 30 hours.  Whether the effects were significant or not was determined in part by reference to existing minimum standards which may themselves be       open to question from a welfare perspective.
3. And, of course, whether or not scientists are involved, “significant” is a value judgment that requires an overall assessment to be made in the context of all the facts which, in this case, include the economic interests of the dairy industry and proceed from the standpoint that it’s necessary to transport bobby calves to abbatoirs in the first place, which brings us back to the bigger issue. In POCTAA, for example, s 8(1) creates a duty to provide animals with adequate food, water and shelter and s 8(2) introduces a test for breach of this which states that evidence that animals did not have access to clean water during a 24 hour period. An exemption exisists in the regs for stock animals in drought conditions that extends the period to 72 hours. The point here is, though, in normal non-commercial circumstances not predicated on a “need” to transport animals, more than 24 hours without water or food is considered cruel, even for calves.
   

Ondine and Brian Sherman have written a piece for the SMH on this which
captures the ethical issues quite beautifully in my opinion.
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/brutal-secret-behind-the-dairy-ind
ustry-20110128-1a7tb.html
Also of note that the RSPCA opposes the 30 hour time frame but is prepared
to accept some "time off feed" as a concession to the needs of industry,
while setting out what they would really prefer (max 10 hours or slaughter
on site).
See:
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/bobby-calves-endure-milk-of-human-
cruelty-20110127-1a5u2.html
Cheers,
Steph