... To me, those sound like a good starting point of agreement. ... Excellent question. As far as I can tell, there is little if any disagreement in the whole...
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mrcaws
Mar 7, 2003 12:13 am
... not ... to ... agrees ... First let me say I have really enjoyed the discussion here-very thought provoking stuff. I think that there is good reason to...
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CeiSerith@...
ceisiwrserith
Mar 7, 2003 4:45 am
In a message dated 3/3/2003 3:43:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, ... Even those who don't think we can reconstruct anything about PIE religion make an exception...
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CeiSerith@...
ceisiwrserith
Mar 7, 2003 5:12 am
In a message dated 3/6/2003 7:14:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, ... Very interesting question. Beats me. Ceisiwr Serith [Non-text portions of this message have...
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Ken Pfrenger
cinaet
Mar 7, 2003 1:19 pm
... I very much agree...comparative mythology has always been an interest of mine. The idea of a PIE religion is fairly new(within the last year or so) to me...
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Mark DeFillo
ategnatos
Mar 7, 2003 5:06 pm
... I don't know if it helps, but Watkins (in the Dictionary of IE Roots) derives Mimir's name from root (s)mer- to remember. He derives it from Germanic...
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Ken Pfrenger
cinaet
Mar 7, 2003 5:56 pm
... I was hoping to find some more info about *(s)mer in Pokorny online but after looking realized that was Watkins source:-/ ... Please do so...I definitely...
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Ken Pfrenger
cinaet
Mar 7, 2003 6:18 pm
... society, ... a PIE ... reciprocal ... primal ... two seems ... I agree with all of the above. The Ghosti-principle...the primal sacrifice...the slaying of...
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João Simões Lop...
jodan99@...
Mar 7, 2003 6:27 pm
The idea of a guardian of subterranean waters is interesting, and I agreee with the likeness of Mimir being an analogous to *Apom Nepo:t. I think that the...
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Greaghoir MacIain
tairneanaiche
Mar 7, 2003 6:29 pm
... I though you were from Ohio Ken ? Whar is the language of the sovreign naion of Texas ;-o) Greaghoir...
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Ken Pfrenger
cinaet
Mar 7, 2003 7:27 pm
... Born and raised in the land that is round on both ends and Hi in the middle! I am sorry if I seem to have adopted your native language...I assure you it...
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CeiSerith@...
ceisiwrserith
Mar 7, 2003 10:41 pm
In a message dated 3/7/2003 12:58:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, ... The Encyclopedia of Indo-European Culture agrees on *(s)mer-, defining it as "remember, care...
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CeiSerith@...
ceisiwrserith
Mar 7, 2003 10:51 pm
In a message dated 3/7/2003 1:20:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, ... It's a way that the dragon-killing myth is sometimes expressed, especially as it is worked...
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CeiSerith@...
ceisiwrserith
Mar 7, 2003 10:52 pm
In a message dated 3/7/2003 1:30:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, ... Do you see any reflexes outside of Greece and India? Ceisiwr Serith [Non-text portions of...
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João Simões L...
jodan99@...
Mar 8, 2003 12:46 am
Mimir appear in three forms: Mi:mir (<*Mi:mijaz), Mi:mi (<*Mi:man), Mi:mr (<*Mi:maz). I can't see derivation from *(s)mer- root. Seems more likely some root...
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João Simões L...
jodan99@...
Mar 8, 2003 12:46 am
In Scandinavia, where Mimir was uncle of Odinn. Dumezil tried to relate Bhishma to ON Heimdallr and Irish Lug. Joao SL ... From: <CeiSerith@...> To:...
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mrcaws
Mar 8, 2003 9:15 pm
... agreee ... Vyasa ... of "Uncle" of ... Yes, also what about Manannan Mac Lir? He also was a foster father to many of the gods. I remember Lugh went to live...
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mrcaws
Mar 9, 2003 1:36 am
... preserved it ... a tree and ... supporting ... well. The ... the ... mentioned in a ... religion, ... opposition between ... opposition per ... strong ......
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Mark DeFillo
ategnatos
Mar 9, 2003 5:29 am
... Unfortunately, my dictionary (it turns out to be of "Old Icelandic", the language of the Eddas... some linguists distinguish it from Old Norse) didn't...
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philippos2003
Mar 9, 2003 8:50 am
Just a question your explanation makes me think about christian doctrine of baptism and the story of EDen (tree, snake, water, woman) i suppose that how the...
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Mark DeFillo
ategnatos
Mar 9, 2003 7:48 pm
... Use of water in initiations, including baptisms, and other sacred rites, even, to some, the sanctity of the act of bathing itself, as well as the other...
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Ken Pfrenger
cinaet
Mar 10, 2003 12:56 pm
... Thanks...I'll have to look into that concept further. A few things are so obvious they spring to mind right away. Thanks ... Would they be the twins...
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Ken Pfrenger
cinaet
Mar 10, 2003 1:04 pm
... Mannanan always struck me as being apart from the rest of the Irish pantheon...at least in origin anyway but I do get the connections between him and Akwom...
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Ken Pfrenger
cinaet
Mar 10, 2003 1:11 pm
... This whole concept of the tree with the fruits dropping down and wisdom is echoed in a different form in Celtic myth as well with the story of Finn and the...
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CeiSerith@...
ceisiwrserith
Mar 10, 2003 4:54 pm
In a message dated 3/10/2003 8:05:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, ... Charles McQuarrie, in his doctoral dissertation, The Waves of Manannan, suggests that he was...
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CeiSerith@...
ceisiwrserith
Mar 10, 2003 4:55 pm
In a message dated 3/10/2003 8:11:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, ... In Zoroastrian cosmology we find a variant. There the cosmic pillar is a mountain, so of...
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B A
ategnatos
Mar 10, 2003 6:05 pm
... World trees are fairly common, mixed up with trees of life and trees of wisdom sometimes. India has at least two different motifs that embody the world...
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philippos2003
Mar 10, 2003 6:09 pm
in the semitic world and Israel mythology the world have three pillars ... From: B A To: PIEreligion@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 7:05 PM ...
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Ken Pfrenger
cinaet
Mar 10, 2003 9:25 pm
... This is probably subject best left for a thread of its own:-) ... This mountain...cognate with Olympus in any way? ... I would say that yes there seems to...
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João Simões Lop...
jodan99@...
Mar 10, 2003 11:13 pm
I see similarities between Manannan and Nordic Freyr: They had sword, ship, flying horse. Both have similarities to Indian Kubera, that also have a ship, had...
