Hi Andy,

Thanks for drafting the media statement.

Does anyone else have any comments?

I'm fine with sending it out as it is.

Ciao,
Roy.

--- In PinkDotSg@yahoogroups.com, andrew ki <drew1977sg@...> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> Please find attached the final media statement regarding the
postponement of the event.
>
> This will go out next week from Roy (roy i'll give you the
instructions separately).
>
> This statement will only be sent to the two journalists who have
been contacting Roy regarding the event. Subsequently, it will also be
used if any other journalists contact Roy.
>
> This should ideally be sent out on Sunday evening. This is to help
minimize the chances that it will be covered.
>
> Thanks
>
> Andrew
>
> ---------
>
>
>
> Media Statement : Postponement of Gay Pride Event
>
> The gay pride event previously scheduled to take place at Hong Lim
Park on the 15th of November has been postponed to early 2009.
>
> Since the announcement and subsequent extensive media coverage, I
have received many expressions of interest from members of the
community. In light of this, I am pleased to announce that the 15th
November event will be postponed to a later date to ensure that all
interested parties; straight, gay and queer, have the opportunity to
participate in this landmark occasion.
>
> Details of the event are being formalized, and further information
will be released at a later date.
>
>
> Roy XXXX [Sorry please fill in your family name]
>
>
>

Hello everyone,

Would you prefer to have our second meeting on 1 Nov 08 or 8 Nov 08?

Both are Saturdays.

I think we should hold it at DYMK again. They really give great value
for money on their fruit juices.

I'll notify Eileena of PPC and DYMK's management once we decide on the
date.

15 Nov is drawing awfully close, so we'd better decide soon what press
release to send out. It would be terribly embarrassing if people turn
up and encounter a no-show.

Roy.

Hello everyone,

Just to keep you informed, I have just sent out the media release
drafted by Andrew Wong to The Straits Times, Trevvy and a German
journalist named Michael Lenz.

I don't have the e-mail address of Andre Yeo of The New Paper but I
have asked Jean Chong of Sayoni and PLU to forward him the statement
on my behalf.

Cheers,
Roy.

Hey guys,

Just a few minutes after I sent out the press release, Kor Kian Beng
of  The Straits Times called my up on my handphone saying that he has
a lot of questions and would like to write another article on the event.

I told him that I would henceforth only be replying to him via
official press releases, as suggested by Andrew and Stuart.

He will be submitting his questions to me via e-mail, but
off-the-cuff,  he wanted to know some of the names of the people who
will be involved in our newer, bigger event next year and other
pertinent details.

When I receive his e-mail, I shall post it on this newslist for Andrew
to draft a reply or to just ignore his request until we are ready.

Thanks,
Roy.

Hi all,

As far as I know, this is the only website which maintains a calendar
of all the registered protests, demonstrations and
exhibitions/performances at Hong Lim Park.

The blog is maintained by a chap who goes by the moniker of Ah Hong -
short for The Hong Lim Park Gardener.

He's doing society quite a good service because this information is
not even provided by the National Parks Board.

Here's the URL:

http://letsgotospeakerscorner.blogspot.com/

Cheers,
Roy.

Kor Kian Beng of The Straits Times phoned me a second time to seek
further clarification on the words we used in Andrew's press statement.

He would like to speak directly with Andrew because he says that the
information we provided is insufficient for an article and too skimpy
to satisfy the public's curiosity and questions regarding the event.

He says the public would especially like to know more details about
why the event was postponed, what the estimated turnout will be,
whether it will still be a pride march and whether there will be any
participation by foreigners.

Andy, if you would like to communicate directly with Kian Beng, here
are his contact particulars:

Mr Kor Kian Beng
Correspondent, The Straits Times (Political Desk),
Singapore Press Holdings,
News Centre, Level 2, Podium Block,
1000, Toa Payoh North, Singapore, 318994

Tel: 65 - 6319 6319 DID: 65 - 6319-5556
Fax: 65 - 6732 0131 Mobile: 65 - 9109-0869
e-mail: "Kor Kian Beng" <kianbeng@...>
kianbeng[at]sph[dot]com[dot]sg

Thanks,
Roy.

--- In PinkDotSg@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Tan" <groyn88@...> wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Just a few minutes after I sent out the press release, Kor Kian Beng
> of  The Straits Times called my up on my handphone saying that he has
> a lot of questions and would like to write another article on the event.
>
> I told him that I would henceforth only be replying to him via
> official press releases, as suggested by Andrew and Stuart.
>
> He will be submitting his questions to me via e-mail, but
> off-the-cuff,  he wanted to know some of the names of the people who
> will be involved in our newer, bigger event next year and other
> pertinent details.
>
> When I receive his e-mail, I shall post it on this newslist for Andrew
> to draft a reply or to just ignore his request until we are ready.
>
> Thanks,
> Roy.
>


--- In PinkDotSg@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Tan" <groyn88@...> wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Just a few minutes after I sent out the press release, Kor Kian Beng
> of  The Straits Times called my up on my handphone saying that he has
> a lot of questions and would like to write another article on the event.
>
> I told him that I would henceforth only be replying to him via
> official press releases, as suggested by Andrew and Stuart.
>
> He will be submitting his questions to me via e-mail, but
> off-the-cuff,  he wanted to know some of the names of the people who
> will be involved in our newer, bigger event next year and other
> pertinent details.
>
> When I receive his e-mail, I shall post it on this newslist for Andrew
> to draft a reply or to just ignore his request until we are ready.
>
> Thanks,
> Roy.
>

Hi everyone

My bad, I wasn't able to get the www.pink.sg domain in time - someone
else got it yesterday.

Is everyone ok with PinkDot.Sg as an alternative?

Stuart

--- In PinkDotSg@yahoogroups.com, Stuart Koe <stuart.koe@...> wrote:

> Is everyone ok with PinkDot.Sg as an alternative?

Thanks for trying, Stuart.

I guess we have to make do with PinkDot.sg, unless someone has a
better suggestion.

What about PinkDotSg.com?

Roy.

Those were great links you provided, Lip Sin, especially the AiBai one.

It seems that the international gay media are speculating on the
changes...which may be a good thing because it generates curiosity,
buzz and expectation.

How do I change the newslist's settings to make it more private?

I can't find any options for the moderator to do this.

Could it be that once you start the newslist and set the privacy
characteristics, there's no turning back without deleting the entire
group?

Roy.

--- In PinkDotSg@yahoogroups.com, "Choo Lip Sin" <lipsin@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
> What Political Journos are after
>
> I cannot imagine why a political journalist will want to give "continued
> support" to the LGBTI community, except that the community holds great
> promise to provide exciting news and controversy for him to write
about for
> the next 20 years.
>
> > off-the-cuff, he wanted to know some of the names of the people
who will
> be involved in our newer, bigger event next year and other pertinent
> details.
>
> The political journo knows the key to getting reader's attention is
always:
> who is involved.
>
> The impression that the event will be larger - that itself is very
> news-worthy and gives plenty of room for the imagination.
>
> > he has a lot of questions and would like to write another article
on the
> event
>
> Political journos have to generate content to publish. Conflicts and
> controversy is best.
>
> Strangely, he cannot imagine any issues that LGBT in general face in
> Singapore (apart from s377A) to pose a politcal question to you yet.
Is he
> in touch with the ground? Are we?
>
> > He would like to speak directly with Andrew because he says that the
> information we provided is insufficient for an article and too skimpy to
> satisfy the public's curiosity and questions regarding the event.
>
> It is in the interest of the paper to satisfy public's curiosity. It
is not
> ours.
>
> The fact that, with little info and much recycling, he could produce an
> article is sign that he cannot feel the pulse of the community for any
> reason for "protest". He needs to stir the anti-gay camp more. Their
issues
> are right there waiting, all the time.
>
> > He says the public would especially like to know more details
about why
> the event was postponed, what the estimated turnout will be, whether
it will
> still be a pride march and whether there will be any participation by
> foreigners.
>
> Why was it postponed? I asked that before. I don't think it is
postponed.
> There is no march, no demonstration, no protest - as far as I can
perceive
> right now.
> (Although I can think of a few reasons to have those. Such as
demanding a
> public apology by the PM for allowing lethal hate-crime against LGBT to
> happen here.)
>
> Estimated turnout: we should have a number ready soon.
>
> Pride march or not pride march: too bad we did not prepare to give a
firm
> "no". The public hunger for a visual spectacle shall continue to
hang in the
> air. Free shows never fail to excite everyone.
>
> Participation by foreigners:  these days anything about foreigners
will stir
> up heated opposing views in any article about Singapore's domestic
issues.
> Check out the papers for the last 12 months.
>
> He is more interested in the form than the issue.
>
> If you take a closer look at ST Political Editor Chua Lee Hoong's
piece on 1
> Nov, you will see that political journalists/editors are ST are more
> interested about what can stir up conflict, confrontation,
controversy and
> readers' interests (i.e. selling more copies of the paper) than the
issues
> themselves. They are also more concerned about who (organisers,
> participants) is involved.
>
>
> What goes into readers' minds after this article
>
> headline:
> Gay protest
> postponed to cater to strong response
>
> news:
> overwhelming response
> pride parade
> speeches on gay rights
> march around the park with placards to protest
> public forum
>
>
> Local Response
>
> Discussions on Gay protest to be held at later date - November 01, 2008
> Saturday
> http://comment.straitstimes.com/showthread.php?t=14518
> http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?p=6008210
>
> Discussions on  First gay protest at Speakers' Corner?
> http://comment.straitstimes.com/showthread.php?t=13771
>
> Alex Au on prevalence of hate speech on ST Discussion Forum:
> http://www.yawningbread.org/arch_2008/yax-951.htm
>
> Someone received an SMS from a young friend:
> "Read ST today...On a GLBT pride parade  at speakers corner by Nov 15
> postponed due to high participation! looks cool!"  [emphasis mine]
>
>
> International News
>
> See report at Aibai.cn, China's most organised LGBT news website:
>
> Headline:
> Singapore's first gay protest postponed - What could be the reason?
>
> First paragraph:
> The protest and demonstration scheduled to be held on Nov 15 has been
> postponed to next year, and the reason for postponement is not what we
> normally imagine - that it comes from external pressures. The reason, as
> reported by their local paper The Straits Times, is that too many people
> want to participate.
>
> MORE: http://www.aibai.cn/info/open.php?id=18761
>
>
>
> All for Transparency?
>
> Another serious matter.
>
> All our correspondence and discussions can now be read by anyone who
goes to
> the Yahoo Group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PinkDotSg/
>
> It will only be a matter of time before Google Search indexes it, or
some
> smart journalist finds it. Can the moderator please set the group
access to
> PRIVATE and MEMBERS ONLY?
>
> The current group settings does not provide any privacy at all:
> Group Settings
>   a.. Membership does not require approval
>   b.. Messages do not require approval
>   c.. All members can post messages
>   d.. Email attachments are permitted
>   e.. Members cannot hide email address
>   f.. Listed in directory
>
> Lip Sin.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PinkDotSg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PinkDotSg@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf
> Of andrew ki
> Sent: 31 October 2008 16:15
> To: PinkDotSg@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PinkDotSg] Re: The Straits Times just telephoned me!
>
>
>       Hi Roy,
>
>       lol he isn't supposed to know that someone else wrote it.
>
>       At this stage, I believe that you should remain the only person in
> contact with him.
>
>       I think that a proper response at this stage should be,
>
>       -----------
>
>       Dear Mr. Kor,
>       Thank you for your email and interest.
>       I currently do not have any additional information to share at
this
> point.
>       However, I will like to thank you for your continued support
of the
> lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans (GLBTI) community in Singapore.
>       Kind regards
>       Roy Tan
>
>       -----------------
>
>
>       Roy: Don't send this out until Stuart has had a chance to comment.
>
>       Also, I will like to reiterate that we do NOT want any media
coverage
> at this point. So please do not feel like you have to provide more
> information, but also please remain polite.
>
>       The general consensus is to ensure that this remains a
non-issue from
> now until the time we are ready to speak.
>
>       Please do not provide him with the names of anyone else at
this stage.
>
>       Regards
>
>       Andrew
>
>       People only protect what they love,
>       but they can love only what they know
>
>       Jacques-Yves Cousteau
>
>       --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Roy Tan <groyn88@...> wrote:
>
>         From: Roy Tan <groyn88@...>
>         Subject: [PinkDotSg] Re: The Straits Times just telephoned me!
>         To: PinkDotSg@yahoogroups.com
>         Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 3:36 PM
>
>
>         Kor Kian Beng of The Straits Times phoned me a second time
to seek
>         further clarification on the words we used in Andrew's press
> statement.
>
>         He would like to speak directly with Andrew because he says
that the
>         information we provided is insufficient for an article and too
> skimpy
>         to satisfy the public's curiosity and questions regarding
the event.
>
>         He says the public would especially like to know more
details about
>         why the event was postponed, what the estimated turnout will be,
>         whether it will still be a pride march and whether there
will be any
>         participation by foreigners.
>
>         Andy, if you would like to communicate directly with Kian
Beng, here
>         are his contact particulars:
>
>         Mr Kor Kian Beng
>         Correspondent, The Straits Times (Political Desk),
>         Singapore Press Holdings,
>         News Centre, Level 2, Podium Block,
>         1000, Toa Payoh North, Singapore, 318994
>
>         Tel: 65 - 6319 6319 DID: 65 - 6319-5556
>         Fax: 65 - 6732 0131 Mobile: 65 - 9109-0869
>         e-mail: "Kor Kian Beng" <kianbeng@sph. com.sg>
>         kianbeng[at] sph[dot]com[ dot]sg
>
>         Thanks,
>         Roy.
>
>         --- In PinkDotSg@yahoogrou ps.com, "Roy Tan" <groyn88@ > wrote:
>         >
>         > Hey guys,
>         >
>         > Just a few minutes after I sent out the press release, Kor
Kian
> Beng
>         > of The Straits Times called my up on my handphone saying
that he
> has
>         > a lot of questions and would like to write another article
on the
> event.
>         >
>         > I told him that I would henceforth only be replying to him via
>         > official press releases, as suggested by Andrew and Stuart.
>         >
>         > He will be submitting his questions to me via e-mail, but
>         > off-the-cuff, he wanted to know some of the names of the
people
> who
>         > will be involved in our newer, bigger event next year and
other
>         > pertinent details.
>         >
>         > When I receive his e-mail, I shall post it on this
newslist for
> Andrew
>         > to draft a reply or to just ignore his request until we
are ready.
>         >
>         > Thanks,
>         > Roy.
>         >
>
>         --- In PinkDotSg@yahoogrou ps.com, "Roy Tan" <groyn88@ > wrote:
>         >
>         > Hey guys,
>         >
>         > Just a few minutes after I sent out the press release, Kor
Kian
> Beng
>         > of The Straits Times called my up on my handphone saying
that he
> has
>         > a lot of questions and would like to write another article
on the
> event.
>         >
>         > I told him that I would henceforth only be replying to him via
>         > official press releases, as suggested by Andrew and Stuart.
>         >
>         > He will be submitting his questions to me via e-mail, but
>         > off-the-cuff, he wanted to know some of the names of the
people
> who
>         > will be involved in our newer, bigger event next year and
other
>         > pertinent details.
>         >
>         > When I receive his e-mail, I shall post it on this
newslist for
> Andrew
>         > to draft a reply or to just ignore his request until we
are ready.
>         >
>         > Thanks,
>         > Roy.
>         >
>

--- In PinkDotSg@yahoogroups.com, "Choo Lip Sin" <lipsin@...> wrote:

> Only the owner (or moderators, as assigned by
> owner in "Members>Modertators") can access the
> "Settings" link on the left menu,
> which will lead to the privacy options.
> It can be changed at anytime.

I tried it.

It doesn't work.

Roy.

Don't worry Justin.

A core group of very committed and experienced people who are
specialists in their field are working hard to make the project a success.

Just wait for further announcements.

Cheers,
Roy.

--- In PinkDotSg@yahoogroups.com, Justin chew <jus2chat2001@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I met Roy a few weeks back & found out that the whole event will
just be the formation of the spiral dot.
>
> Will this simple act generate interest among the media industry?
From what I read in the papers, there seems to be an anticipation &
high expectation of what the GLBTQi community will come up with.  With
the highly contested 377A debate last year, will there be a more
profound message to be conveyed?
>
> How will it stand out as a GLBTQi event?  From what I understand,
the colour pink is commonly associated with the breast awareness
campaign worldwide.
>
> What do we hope to achieve through this project?
>
> For audiences who have no intention or are unable to participate in
the, how do we generate interest among them & make them feel being
part of the project.
>
> Don’t be mistaken.  I love the idea about the pink dot.  What I am
concern is the view of general public & the media & the impact on them
>
> It reminds me of the movie “12 Lotus”.  With the highly-acclaimed
success of “881”, everyone has high expectation about this movie.  But
it bombed at the box office.  It was reported the film could not
recover the cost of making it.
>
> Justin
> --- On Thu, 6/11/08, Roy Tan <groyn88@...> wrote:
>
> From: Roy Tan <groyn88@...>
> Subject: [PinkDotSg] Re: Domain name and project name and yahoo
group settings
> To: PinkDotSg@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, 6 November, 2008, 3:56 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In PinkDotSg@yahoogrou ps.com, "Choo Lip Sin" <lipsin@> wrote:
>
> > Only the owner (or moderators, as assigned by
> > owner in "Members>Modertator s") can access the
> > "Settings" link on the left menu,
> > which will lead to the privacy options.
> > It can be changed at anytime.
>
> I tried it.
>
> It doesn't work.
>
> Roy.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
______________________________________________________________________
> Search, browse and book your hotels and flights through Yahoo! Travel.
> http://sg.travel.yahoo.com
>

Hello everyone,

It may not be apparent to you that anything has taken place so far,
but a core committee has been planning the event whose details are to
be released in stages.

If you are interested in finding out what's been decided so far and
are willing to chip in towards organising some part of it, please
attend the next meeting this coming Tuesday, 18 Nov 08 at 8 pm at
Jason Wee's place at 40, Zion Road, next Great World City.

If you get lost, please contact me at 96464856.

See you there,
Roy.

P.S.
Thanks to Andrew for changing the accessibility settings of this
newslist so that members have to be approved by moderators before they
can read the messages posted.

Hello everyone,

Please take the time to join the Facebook group that Jack created:

http://www.facebook.com/groups.php?id=714063756#/group.php?gid=41037205735

and also log onto the PinkDot website to write a few supportive messages:

http://pinkdot.sg/

Thank you,
Roy.