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In a message dated 12/31/2009 6:14:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Turbo-ducky@... writes:

There have been a lot of horror movies with Christmas as the theme, but I can't recall a single dinosaur that ever destroyed Christmas or New Year's. May 2010 bring us all love, peace, health, prosperity and a new dino movie.

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#666

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...>
Date: Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:13 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Real Dino Stuff

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There have been a lot of horror movies with Christmas as the theme, but I can't recall a single dinosaur that ever destroyed Christmas or New Year's. May 2010 bring us all love, peace, health, prosperity and a new dino movie.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_Horror@yahoogroups.com
From: katrina.ragozy@...
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:36:47 -0800
Subject: [Prehistoric_Horror] Re: Real Dino Stuff

I think they've done all they can with "Jurassic Park" but I wouldn't mind seeing what they could do with "Gorgo" and "Reptilicus" with the effects they have now.

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Should there be another installment of Jurassic Park?

Would anybody like to see an updated version of Gorgo or Reptilicus?

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
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#665

From: "Katrina" <katrina.ragozy@...>
Date: Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:36 am
Subject: Re: Real Dino Stuff

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I think they've done all they can with "Jurassic Park" but I wouldn't mind seeing what they could do with "Gorgo" and "Reptilicus" with the effects they have now.

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From: Jean Elliott

Should there be another installment of Jurassic Park?

Would anybody like to see an updated version of Gorgo or Reptilicus?

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

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#663

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...>
Date: Wed Dec 9, 2009 3:19 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Real Dino Stuff

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Tryanosaurus, Albertosaurus and raptors would take care of your feral animals. Let's bring to Australia's version of JP.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_Horror@yahoogroups.com
From: rikvonzip@...
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:02:46 -0500
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_Horror] Re: Real Dino Stuff

maybe they should re introduce some T Rex's to gobble up all the transplanted feral varmints who are messing up the ecosystem down there.

Australia is perfect for dinos. It's on the ocean so the Spinosaurus could step in and grab a mouthful of shark. Lots of shore vegetation for the stegosaurs. Lots of warm thermals for pterodons. You name a dino and it could probably survive there.

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#662

From: rikvonzip@...
Date: Wed Dec 9, 2009 10:02 am
Subject: Re: Re: Real Dino Stuff

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maybe they should re introduce some T Rex's to gobble up all the transplanted feral varmints who are messing up the ecosystem down there.

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#661

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...>
Date: Tue Dec 8, 2009 3:38 am
Subject: RE: Re: Real Dino Stuff

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To: Prehistoric_Horror@yahoogroups.com
From: daleanscomb@...
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:06:27 +0000
Subject: [Prehistoric_Horror] Re: Real Dino Stuff

Cool! Duck billed T-Rex's that carry their young in pouches.

Seriously a Australian Jurassic Park sounds like a fun time for all.

Dale

--- In Prehistoric_Horror@yahoogroups.com, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...> wrote:
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> It is a known fact that the dinos of Australia outlived their northern counterparts. Why not a Juraissac Park in Australia? The story could involve finding a new species with useful DNA. Then the cloning begins. You could even have surviving dinos that were previously were thought to be aboriginal myth.
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> "Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
> -- John Lennon
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#660

From: "kolchak4ever" <daleanscomb@...>
Date: Tue Dec 8, 2009 12:06 am
Subject: Re: Real Dino Stuff

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Cool! Duck billed T-Rex's  that carry their young in pouches.

Seriously a Australian Jurassic Park sounds like a fun time for all.


Dale


--- In Prehistoric_Horror@yahoogroups.com, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...> wrote:
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>
> It is a known fact that the dinos of Australia outlived their northern
counterparts.  Why not a Juraissac Park in Australia?  The story could involve
finding a new species with useful DNA.  Then the cloning begins.  You could even
have surviving dinos that were previously were thought to be aboriginal myth.
>
> "Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
>   -- John Lennon
>
>

#659

From: batmouse <batmoused1st@...>
Date: Mon Dec 7, 2009 5:30 am
Subject: RE: Re: Real Dino Stuff

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Now that would be FUN

--- On Sun, 12/6/09, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...> wrote:

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...>
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_Horror] Re: Real Dino Stuff
To: prehistoric_horror@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 8:29 PM

It is a known fact that the dinos of Australia outlived their northern counterparts. Why not a Juraissac Park in Australia? The story could involve finding a new species with useful DNA. Then the cloning begins. You could even have surviving dinos that were previously were thought to be aboriginal myth.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_Horror@yahoogroups.com
From: alien8ed46408@...
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:46:05 +0000
Subject: [Prehistoric_Horror] Re: Real Dino Stuff

I'm a kid at heart and any chance I get to watch a new dinosaur movie is fine by me provided they do a decent job - and I think all the "Jurassic Park" flicks have been top notch. I tend to watch "Jurassic Park 3" more than the others because it gets right down to the action from the get-go without bogging us down in scientific jargon. Thankfully the first movie did that for us so now any sequels can concentrate on action sequences. There is always a reason for someone to end up on the island - from research to simple castaway situations.

Joe Shingler/Ghosts Of Pompeii

--- In Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com, batmouse <batmoused1st@ ...> wrote:
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> I for one wouldn't mind another JP, however, I can't see how they'd get the main characters back on the Islands. Or they could be doing research in the mountains of Mexico and discover the dinos that had gotten to the main land (in the sequel book) and have some trouble with them.
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> I'm not too sure about Gorgo, but Reptillicus now that would be fun!
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> --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@ ...> wrote:
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> From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@ ...>
> Subject: [Prehistoric_ Horror] Real Dino Stuff
> To: prehistoric_ horror@yahoogrou ps.com
> Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 5:46 AM
> Should there be another installment of Jurassic Park?
> Would anybody like to see an updated version of Gorgo or Reptilicus?

#658

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...>
Date: Mon Dec 7, 2009 3:29 am
Subject: RE: Re: Real Dino Stuff

j.cheeverloo...

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It is a known fact that the dinos of Australia outlived their northern counterparts. Why not a Juraissac Park in Australia? The story could involve finding a new species with useful DNA. Then the cloning begins. You could even have surviving dinos that were previously were thought to be aboriginal myth.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_Horror@yahoogroups.com
From: alien8ed46408@...
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:46:05 +0000
Subject: [Prehistoric_Horror] Re: Real Dino Stuff

I'm a kid at heart and any chance I get to watch a new dinosaur movie is fine by me provided they do a decent job - and I think all the "Jurassic Park" flicks have been top notch. I tend to watch "Jurassic Park 3" more than the others because it gets right down to the action from the get-go without bogging us down in scientific jargon. Thankfully the first movie did that for us so now any sequels can concentrate on action sequences. There is always a reason for someone to end up on the island - from research to simple castaway situations.

Joe Shingler/Ghosts Of Pompeii

--- In Prehistoric_Horror@yahoogroups.com, batmouse <batmoused1st@...> wrote:
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> I for one wouldn't mind another JP, however, I can't see how they'd get the main characters back on the Islands. Or they could be doing research in the mountains of Mexico and discover the dinos that had gotten to the main land (in the sequel book) and have some trouble with them.
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> I'm not too sure about Gorgo, but Reptillicus now that would be fun!
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> --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...> wrote:
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> From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...>
> Subject: [Prehistoric_Horror] Real Dino Stuff
> To: prehistoric_horror@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 5:46 AM
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> Should there be another installment of Jurassic Park?
> Would anybody like to see an updated version of Gorgo or Reptilicus?
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#657

From: "Ghosts Of Pompeii" <alien8ed46408@...>
Date: Mon Dec 7, 2009 2:46 am
Subject: Re: Real Dino Stuff

alien8ed46408

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I'm a kid at heart and any chance I get to watch a new dinosaur movie is fine by
me provided they do a decent job - and I think all the "Jurassic Park" flicks
have been top notch. I tend to watch "Jurassic Park 3" more than the others
because it gets right down to the action from the get-go without bogging us down
in scientific jargon. Thankfully the first movie did that for us so now any
sequels can concentrate on action sequences. There is always a reason for
someone to end up on the island - from research to simple castaway situations.

Joe Shingler/Ghosts Of Pompeii

--- In Prehistoric_Horror@yahoogroups.com, batmouse <batmoused1st@...> wrote:
>
> I for one wouldn't mind another JP, however, I can't see how they'd get the
main characters back on the Islands. Or they could be doing research in the
mountains of Mexico and discover the dinos that had gotten to the main land (in
the sequel book) and have some trouble with them.
> �
> I'm not too sure about Gorgo, but Reptillicus now that would be fun!
>
> --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...> wrote:
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> From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...>
> Subject: [Prehistoric_Horror] Real Dino Stuff
> To: prehistoric_horror@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 5:46 AM
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> Should there be another installment of Jurassic Park?
> Would anybody like to see an updated version of Gorgo or Reptilicus?
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#656

From: richard curzon <hammeramicus2002@...>
Date: Wed Dec 2, 2009 11:06 am
Subject: RE: Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

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Yeah, Douglas Adams wrote The Pirate Planet (1978, 4 parts), City of Death (1979, 4 parts) and the aborted unfinished Shada (1979, 6 parts). He was also script editor on the 17th season which was broadcast 1979-80:

Destint of the Daleks
City of Death
The Creature from the Pit
Nightmare of Eden
The Horns of Nimon
Shada (which was never completed due to industrial action, but all material shot still exists)

Rick

--- On Tue, 1/12/09, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...> wrote:

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...>
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)
To: prehistoric_horror@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 1 December, 2009, 20:23

I am mistaken. Douglas Adams wrote three episodes of Dr. Who. Aldiss was connected with the Avengers.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
From: hammeramicus2002@ yahoo.co. uk
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:57:05 +0000
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_ Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

When did Brian Aldiss have a hand in Doctor Who? I have been a fan since 1974, and can't recall ever seeing his name on screen.

Rick

--- On Tue, 1/12/09, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@ hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@ hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_ Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)
To: prehistoric_ horror@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Tuesday, 1 December, 2009, 16:00

Brian Aldiss, a British sf author, had a hand in the Dr. Who series and many of his ideas were used in some form or another.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
From: hammeramicus2002@ yahoo.co. uk
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:24:33 +0000
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_ Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

A good idea, well used in the 1977 Doctor Who story The Face of Evil.

Rick

--- On Mon, 30/11/09, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@ hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@ hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_ Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)
To: prehistoric_ horror@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 16:04

That would really be an example of a civilization backsliding! It's never happened that we know of, but anything is possible.

I like the idea of a humanoid race of men and women explorers coming to earth in the age of dinosaurs. For whatever reason, they are unable to return to their own world, which writes them off as being lost in deep space. The original explorers gradually die off. The ship based technology gradually breaks down. Succeeding generations of the explorers grow up without it and backslide to the level of cave men. A religion develops based on the tales of the old ship technology. Heaven is the place where everything works. You can build on that.

Either story would work for me.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
From: hammeramicus2002@ yahoo.co. uk
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:58:18 +0000
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_ Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

They didn't really need to go too far into the detail you guys mentioned; just enough that it was an alien planet in which there was a degraded human (once more advanced, not more primative) civilisation living alongside dinosaurs. That would have shut up the scientific naysayers. When its your own planet you can do what you want.

Rick

--- On Mon, 30/11/09, Taylor401306@ cs.com <Taylor401306@ cs.com> wrote:

From: Taylor401306@ cs.com <Taylor401306@ cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_ Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)
To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 14:22

In a message dated 11/30/2009 5:07:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com writes:

I realize that we're talking dino movies and anything can happen. I'd just like to see a little more imagination used instead of relying on earth's dinos. Perhaps one of the reasons that ours were used was the lack of means to adequately animate alien beasts in earlier productions.

Also the problem of imagining what alien beasts look like. Look at how long it's taking to make a movie of E.R. Burroughs' " A Princess of Mars". Disney has been announcing it forever.

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#655

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...>
Date: Tue Dec 1, 2009 8:23 pm
Subject: RE: Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

j.cheeverloo...

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I am mistaken. Douglas Adams wrote three episodes of Dr. Who. Aldiss was connected with the Avengers.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_Horror@yahoogroups.com
From: hammeramicus2002@...
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:57:05 +0000
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

When did Brian Aldiss have a hand in Doctor Who? I have been a fan since 1974, and can't recall ever seeing his name on screen.

Rick

--- On Tue, 1/12/09, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)
To: prehistoric_horror@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 1 December, 2009, 16:00

Brian Aldiss, a British sf author, had a hand in the Dr. Who series and many of his ideas were used in some form or another.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
From: hammeramicus2002@ yahoo.co. uk
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:24:33 +0000
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_ Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

A good idea, well used in the 1977 Doctor Who story The Face of Evil.

Rick

--- On Mon, 30/11/09, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@ hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@ hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_ Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)
To: prehistoric_ horror@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 16:04

That would really be an example of a civilization backsliding! It's never happened that we know of, but anything is possible.

I like the idea of a humanoid race of men and women explorers coming to earth in the age of dinosaurs. For whatever reason, they are unable to return to their own world, which writes them off as being lost in deep space. The original explorers gradually die off. The ship based technology gradually breaks down. Succeeding generations of the explorers grow up without it and backslide to the level of cave men. A religion develops based on the tales of the old ship technology. Heaven is the place where everything works. You can build on that.

Either story would work for me.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
From: hammeramicus2002@ yahoo.co. uk
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:58:18 +0000
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_ Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

They didn't really need to go too far into the detail you guys mentioned; just enough that it was an alien planet in which there was a degraded human (once more advanced, not more primative) civilisation living alongside dinosaurs. That would have shut up the scientific naysayers. When its your own planet you can do what you want.

Rick

--- On Mon, 30/11/09, Taylor401306@ cs.com <Taylor401306@ cs.com> wrote:

From: Taylor401306@ cs.com <Taylor401306@ cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_ Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)
To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 14:22

In a message dated 11/30/2009 5:07:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com writes:

I realize that we're talking dino movies and anything can happen. I'd just like to see a little more imagination used instead of relying on earth's dinos. Perhaps one of the reasons that ours were used was the lack of means to adequately animate alien beasts in earlier productions.

Also the problem of imagining what alien beasts look like. Look at how long it's taking to make a movie of E.R. Burroughs' " A Princess of Mars". Disney has been announcing it forever.

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#654

From: richard curzon <hammeramicus2002@...>
Date: Tue Dec 1, 2009 7:57 pm
Subject: RE: Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

hammeramicus...

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When did Brian Aldiss have a hand in Doctor Who? I have been a fan since 1974, and can't recall ever seeing his name on screen.

Rick

--- On Tue, 1/12/09, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...> wrote:

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...>
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)
To: prehistoric_horror@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 1 December, 2009, 16:00

Brian Aldiss, a British sf author, had a hand in the Dr. Who series and many of his ideas were used in some form or another.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
From: hammeramicus2002@ yahoo.co. uk
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:24:33 +0000
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_ Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

A good idea, well used in the 1977 Doctor Who story The Face of Evil.

Rick

--- On Mon, 30/11/09, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@ hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@ hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_ Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)
To: prehistoric_ horror@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 16:04

That would really be an example of a civilization backsliding! It's never happened that we know of, but anything is possible.

I like the idea of a humanoid race of men and women explorers coming to earth in the age of dinosaurs. For whatever reason, they are unable to return to their own world, which writes them off as being lost in deep space. The original explorers gradually die off. The ship based technology gradually breaks down. Succeeding generations of the explorers grow up without it and backslide to the level of cave men. A religion develops based on the tales of the old ship technology. Heaven is the place where everything works. You can build on that.

Either story would work for me.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
From: hammeramicus2002@ yahoo.co. uk
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:58:18 +0000
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_ Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

They didn't really need to go too far into the detail you guys mentioned; just enough that it was an alien planet in which there was a degraded human (once more advanced, not more primative) civilisation living alongside dinosaurs. That would have shut up the scientific naysayers. When its your own planet you can do what you want.

Rick

--- On Mon, 30/11/09, Taylor401306@ cs.com <Taylor401306@ cs.com> wrote:

From: Taylor401306@ cs.com <Taylor401306@ cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_ Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)
To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 14:22

In a message dated 11/30/2009 5:07:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com writes:

I realize that we're talking dino movies and anything can happen. I'd just like to see a little more imagination used instead of relying on earth's dinos. Perhaps one of the reasons that ours were used was the lack of means to adequately animate alien beasts in earlier productions.

Also the problem of imagining what alien beasts look like. Look at how long it's taking to make a movie of E.R. Burroughs' " A Princess of Mars". Disney has been announcing it forever.

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#653

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...>
Date: Tue Dec 1, 2009 4:17 pm
Subject: RE: Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

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We know that dino eventually evolved into birds. If the birds had had a different evoltionary trail to the present and were the dominant species instead of mammals, you might have the develop of intelligent creatures. When men from another world came to visit, they would not think of the birds as anything but earthlike and would probably ignore them. They would only try to communicate with the birds if they saw some sign of intelligent activity. If they found buildings or monuments, they would not think of birds.

If there was no evolution towards birds, perhaps the dinos would have evolved into another form. Hands might eventually replace claws and the use of the hands might lead to the develop of a trapping and hunting society. If intelligence developed in these new dinos, there might come a time when language developed. If no means to reproduce sound and images were ever developed, men from another world might be shocked to hear dinos speak.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_Horror@yahoogroups.com
From: quadgop2000@...
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:36:04 -0800
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

Taylor;

One of the biggest stumbling blocks is trying to imagine a totally alien lifeform that doesn't look like a terrestrial equivalent. One of the long-standing debates in "real" exobiology is the one about how different aliens might look from us, assuming that they live in an environment that we could also tolerate. The classic dichotomy was seen in Carl Sagan's "Cosmos"; in the TV version, he argued cogently that given an Earth-like environment, intelligent ETs would probably be upright, have their brain in a head atop the torso, have at least two eyes for binocular vision, and be both bipedal and two-armed just because more than four limbs total might be a bit much for their brains to cope with while doing other stuff (the proverbial "walk and chew gum at the same time" argument). All of which sounds entirely reasonable, and was an argument Sagan had also made in the book "Intelligent Life in the Universe" he co-authored with I.S. Shklovskii in 1965.

In the book version of "Cosmos", however, he hewed to the later argument that ETs would look nothing like us due to the fact that they were bound to be the product of a totally different evolutionary process in a totally separate environment. Thereby directly contradicting himself.

For Sagan, this was normal throughout his career; he tended to operate on the principle of saying whatever went with the consensus on any subject he rendered an opinion on, and was quite capable of taking diametrically-opposed positions depending on the audience he was talking to. The fact that he often made himself look a bit foolish doing so apparently never occurred to him. (In ILITU, he argued convincingly that UFOs were probably alien spacecraft, a position he later abandoned. OK, I'll give him that and write it off to youthful enthusiasm.)

The same problem exists for speculating on alien lifeforms that aren't able to "talk and build a fire". Assuming a similar biosphere (O2, about 1G gradient, and equivalent temperatures, etc.), an animal filling a given bracket in the food chain should be "mechanically " similar to a Terran analogue. This could be taken to an extreme, of course, with a T-Rex in all its glory greeting the explorers who land on Altair 4, but an alien lifeform that exists in an environment equivalent to the Cretaceous period should be at least recognizable to our paleontologists as something similar to the lifeforms that existed on Earth when the Chicxulub Event went "boom".

One idea I've seen in print SF stories, but not anywhere else except for one TV cartoon show, is what would happen if the dinosaurs on another world were not wiped out by an Extinction Level Event like Chicxulub, and went on to evolve intelligence. The short story "Our Lady of the Dinosaurs" argued that while they might evolve intelligence, the "thunder lizards" might not evolve technology, etc., for the same reasons that cetaceans didn't (i.e., environmental factors plus lack of manipulators- although given 65 million more years to work, I wouldn't bet against T-Rex or Allosaurus on the latter count).

The TV cartoon show "Dinosaucers" took this idea and ran with it, mainly playing it for laughs. Still, I'd really be interested in an SF movie or TV series in which the crew of an exploring starship from Earth lands on a primeval world, the local equivalent of a T-Rex comes trotting up, and as the interpid explorers are getting ready to phaser its arse it says, "Hi, there! Where do you hail from?"

Most likely without grinning. Such a creature would probably be smart enough to realize that baring teeth around omnivores with advanced weapons would not be an act conducive to a long, quiet life.
Part of "survival of the fittest" is the concept that stupidity tends to be terminal.

Sincerely,

Carl B.

From: "Taylor401306@cs.com" <Taylor401306@cs.com>
To: Prehistoric_Horror@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 9:22:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

In a message dated 11/30/2009 5:07:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com writes:

I realize that we're talking dino movies and anything can happen. I'd just like to see a little more imagination used instead of relying on earth's dinos. Perhaps one of the reasons that ours were used was the lack of means to adequately animate alien beasts in earlier productions.

Also the problem of imagining what alien beasts look like. Look at how long it's taking to make a movie of E.R. Burroughs' " A Princess of Mars". Disney has been announcing it forever.

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#652

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...>
Date: Tue Dec 1, 2009 4:00 pm
Subject: RE: Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

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Brian Aldiss, a British sf author, had a hand in the Dr. Who series and many of his ideas were used in some form or another.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_Horror@yahoogroups.com
From: hammeramicus2002@...
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:24:33 +0000
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

A good idea, well used in the 1977 Doctor Who story The Face of Evil.

Rick

--- On Mon, 30/11/09, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)
To: prehistoric_horror@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 16:04

That would really be an example of a civilization backsliding! It's never happened that we know of, but anything is possible.

I like the idea of a humanoid race of men and women explorers coming to earth in the age of dinosaurs. For whatever reason, they are unable to return to their own world, which writes them off as being lost in deep space. The original explorers gradually die off. The ship based technology gradually breaks down. Succeeding generations of the explorers grow up without it and backslide to the level of cave men. A religion develops based on the tales of the old ship technology. Heaven is the place where everything works. You can build on that.

Either story would work for me.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
From: hammeramicus2002@ yahoo.co. uk
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:58:18 +0000
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_ Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

They didn't really need to go too far into the detail you guys mentioned; just enough that it was an alien planet in which there was a degraded human (once more advanced, not more primative) civilisation living alongside dinosaurs. That would have shut up the scientific naysayers. When its your own planet you can do what you want.

Rick

--- On Mon, 30/11/09, Taylor401306@ cs.com <Taylor401306@ cs.com> wrote:

From: Taylor401306@ cs.com <Taylor401306@ cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_ Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)
To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 14:22

In a message dated 11/30/2009 5:07:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com writes:

I realize that we're talking dino movies and anything can happen. I'd just like to see a little more imagination used instead of relying on earth's dinos. Perhaps one of the reasons that ours were used was the lack of means to adequately animate alien beasts in earlier productions.

Also the problem of imagining what alien beasts look like. Look at how long it's taking to make a movie of E.R. Burroughs' " A Princess of Mars". Disney has been announcing it forever.

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#651

From: "kolchak4ever" <daleanscomb@...>
Date: Tue Dec 1, 2009 2:32 pm
Subject: Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

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--- In Prehistoric_Horror@yahoogroups.com, "C. Bibbee" <quadgop2000@...> wrote:
>

>  One idea I've seen in print SF stories, but not anywhere else except for one
TV cartoon show, is what would happen if the dinosaurs on another world were not
wiped out by an Extinction Level Event like Chicxulub, and went on to evolve
intelligence. The short story "Our Lady of the Dinosaurs" argued that while they
might evolve intelligence, the "thunder lizards" might not evolve technology,
etc., for the same reasons that cetaceans didn't (i.e., environmental factors
plus lack of manipulators- although given 65 million more years to work, I
wouldn't bet against T-Rex or Allosaurus on the latter count).
>
>  The TV cartoon show "Dinosaucers" took this idea and ran with it, mainly
playing it for laughs. Still, I'd really be interested in an SF movie or TV
series in which the crew of an exploring starship from Earth lands on a primeval
world, the local equivalent of a T-Rex comes trotting up, and as the interpid
explorers are getting ready to phaser its arse it says, "Hi, there! Where do you
hail from?"







Would he be wearing a hard-hat, pushing a stroller with a baby that says "not
the momma".  LOL...  Wasn't there another kids show with talking dino's called
Adventures In Dinosaur City, Or something like that?

Dale









>
>  Most likely without grinning. Such a creature would probably be smart enough
to realize that baring teeth around omnivores with advanced weapons would not be
an act conducive to a long, quiet life.
> Part of  "survival of the fittest" is the concept that stupidity tends to be
terminal.
>
>
Sincerely,
>
>
Carl B.
>

#650

From: "C. Bibbee" <quadgop2000@...>
Date: Tue Dec 1, 2009 12:36 pm
Subject: Re: Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

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Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 9:22:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

In a message dated 11/30/2009 5:07:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com writes:

I realize that we're talking dino movies and anything can happen. I'd just like to see a little more imagination used instead of relying on earth's dinos. Perhaps one of the reasons that ours were used was the lack of means to adequately animate alien beasts in earlier productions.

Also the problem of imagining what alien beasts look like. Look at how long it's taking to make a movie of E.R. Burroughs' " A Princess of Mars". Disney has been announcing it forever.

#649

From: richard curzon <hammeramicus2002@...>
Date: Tue Dec 1, 2009 10:24 am
Subject: RE: Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

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A good idea, well used in the 1977 Doctor Who story The Face of Evil.

Rick

--- On Mon, 30/11/09, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...> wrote:

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...>
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)
To: prehistoric_horror@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 16:04

That would really be an example of a civilization backsliding! It's never happened that we know of, but anything is possible.

I like the idea of a humanoid race of men and women explorers coming to earth in the age of dinosaurs. For whatever reason, they are unable to return to their own world, which writes them off as being lost in deep space. The original explorers gradually die off. The ship based technology gradually breaks down. Succeeding generations of the explorers grow up without it and backslide to the level of cave men. A religion develops based on the tales of the old ship technology. Heaven is the place where everything works. You can build on that.

Either story would work for me.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
From: hammeramicus2002@ yahoo.co. uk
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:58:18 +0000
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_ Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

They didn't really need to go too far into the detail you guys mentioned; just enough that it was an alien planet in which there was a degraded human (once more advanced, not more primative) civilisation living alongside dinosaurs. That would have shut up the scientific naysayers. When its your own planet you can do what you want.

Rick

--- On Mon, 30/11/09, Taylor401306@ cs.com <Taylor401306@ cs.com> wrote:

From: Taylor401306@ cs.com <Taylor401306@ cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_ Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)
To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 14:22

In a message dated 11/30/2009 5:07:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com writes:

I realize that we're talking dino movies and anything can happen. I'd just like to see a little more imagination used instead of relying on earth's dinos. Perhaps one of the reasons that ours were used was the lack of means to adequately animate alien beasts in earlier productions.

Also the problem of imagining what alien beasts look like. Look at how long it's taking to make a movie of E.R. Burroughs' " A Princess of Mars". Disney has been announcing it forever.

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#648

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:04 pm
Subject: RE: Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

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That would really be an example of a civilization backsliding! It's never happened that we know of, but anything is possible.

I like the idea of a humanoid race of men and women explorers coming to earth in the age of dinosaurs. For whatever reason, they are unable to return to their own world, which writes them off as being lost in deep space. The original explorers gradually die off. The ship based technology gradually breaks down. Succeeding generations of the explorers grow up without it and backslide to the level of cave men. A religion develops based on the tales of the old ship technology. Heaven is the place where everything works. You can build on that.

Either story would work for me.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_Horror@yahoogroups.com
From: hammeramicus2002@...
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:58:18 +0000
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

They didn't really need to go too far into the detail you guys mentioned; just enough that it was an alien planet in which there was a degraded human (once more advanced, not more primative) civilisation living alongside dinosaurs. That would have shut up the scientific naysayers. When its your own planet you can do what you want.

Rick

--- On Mon, 30/11/09, Taylor401306@cs.com <Taylor401306@cs.com> wrote:

From: Taylor401306@cs.com <Taylor401306@cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)
To: Prehistoric_Horror@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 14:22

In a message dated 11/30/2009 5:07:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com writes:

I realize that we're talking dino movies and anything can happen. I'd just like to see a little more imagination used instead of relying on earth's dinos. Perhaps one of the reasons that ours were used was the lack of means to adequately animate alien beasts in earlier productions.

Also the problem of imagining what alien beasts look like. Look at how long it's taking to make a movie of E.R. Burroughs' " A Princess of Mars". Disney has been announcing it forever.

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#647

From: richard curzon <hammeramicus2002@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:58 pm
Subject: Re: Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

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Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_Horror] Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)
To: Prehistoric_Horror@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 14:22

In a message dated 11/30/2009 5:07:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com writes:

I realize that we're talking dino movies and anything can happen. I'd just like to see a little more imagination used instead of relying on earth's dinos. Perhaps one of the reasons that ours were used was the lack of means to adequately animate alien beasts in earlier productions.

Also the problem of imagining what alien beasts look like. Look at how long it's taking to make a movie of E.R. Burroughs' " A Princess of Mars". Disney has been announcing it forever.

#646

From: Taylor401306@...
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:22 am
Subject: Re: Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

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In a message dated 11/30/2009 5:07:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, Prehistoric_Horror@yahoogroups.com writes:

I realize that we're talking dino movies and anything can happen. I'd just like to see a little more imagination used instead of relying on earth's dinos. Perhaps one of the reasons that ours were used was the lack of means to adequately animate alien beasts in earlier productions.

Also the problem of imagining what alien beasts look like. Look at how long it's taking to make a movie of E.R. Burroughs' " A Princess of Mars". Disney has been announcing it forever.

#645

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...>
Date: Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:18 pm
Subject: RE: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

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Still, you'd think that there would be some difference, especially since the alien environments were not exactly the same as the earth. If different plant life had developed, for example, there might have been more plant eaters than flesh eaters. If flowering plants had developed earlier, dinos would have required different stomachs to digest them and this would have affected their appearance. If the surface would have been more hostile, life would have stayed in the sea. No, dinos can only come from our exact background.

I realize that we're talking dino movies and anything can happen. I'd just like to see a little more imagination used instead of relying on earth's dinos. Perhaps one of the reasons that ours were used was the lack of means to adequately animate alien beasts in earlier productions.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_Horror@yahoogroups.com
From: mikej33@...
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:53:35 -0800
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

PLANET OF THE DINOSAURS and KING DINOSAUR have dinosaurs on other planets...of course those other planets are supposed to be in a similar evolutionary pattern as Earth.

--- On Sun, 11/29/09, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)
To: prehistoric_horror@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 12:46 PM

True, true. Humans and dinos were millions of years apart.

I think that dinos belong in the past and among their own kind. Then you don't have to worry about cavemen because they didn't exist. Movies, however, like to create paradoxes, such as man and dinos living side by side. The thing that got me was that prehistoric men were shown having mastered fire, using metals for knifes and spearheads, having needles for sewing skins into comfortable fitting bikinis and yet they paniced and ran in front of the dinos every time like they had never seen them before. You would think that they would have learned how to trap and kill dinos over time. They should have learned how to protect their caves from intruders with some primitive alarm systems.

I don't think that dinos would work on other worlds. Since the 1950s, we have been led to believe that anything coming from space is different from human life in some way. Space is full of monsters, humanoid people wearing strange clothing and monsters. A T-Rex is an earth creature. To have one on another world just wouldn't look right to me. Other worlds should have their own creatures.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
From: hammeramicus2002@ yahoo.co. uk
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:10:00 +0000
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_ Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

They also had them juxtaposed with dinosaurs - ludicrous! They should have set it on an alien planet, that would have taken care of the science naysayers.

Rick

--- On Sun, 29/11/09, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@ hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@ hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_ Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)
To: prehistoric_ horror@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Sunday, 29 November, 2009, 17:40

I think that if we had bedraggled cave women, it would be a little more in keeping with the men and the environment in which they lived. The problem is that Hollywood tried to show cavemen and women looking like us, but acting more primitive and savage. They were more like the Flintstones than any primitive society.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
From: hammeramicus2002@ yahoo.co. uk
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:35:02 +0000
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_ Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

They should be unclothed (same as the men) and bedraggled (agains, same as the men)

--- On Sun, 29/11/09, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@ hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@ hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_ Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1971)
To: prehistoric_ horror@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Sunday, 29 November, 2009, 17:13

Yes. Does a film need women in bikinis or should women be dressed as the men dressed? In some primitive societies, women do not wear tops because it interfers with the feeding of children as they go about their daily chores. Also, if a group lives in caves and dirt, is it accurate to portray the actresses as clean, whole looking women or should they also look as bedraggled as the men.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
From: pderycke@frontierne t.net
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:35:43 -0500
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_ Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1971)

Are you asking if it would have been better with women without bikinis?! (< ;

Gillgrappler

On Nov 28, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Jean Elliott wrote:

I liked this film because I thought that the animation was first rate and they chose to use new dinos like the chasmosaur. They also chose to use Victoria Vetri, the 1968 Playboy Playmate of the Year (under the name of Angela Dorian).

I have two questions to start things off.

1) What did you think of the animation?

2) Do you think that the addition of scantily clad women like Vetri was a good idea or not? Would have the film worked without the bikinis or the women?

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#644

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...>
Date: Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:59 pm
Subject: RE: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1971)

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Don't give up hope. Someone might rescue The Primevals one day. Hollywood is always looking for new ways to animate creatures and create film effects. Who knows what techniques might be discovered just around the corner. When they come to fruition, movies now considered unfilmable because of technical problems will become made. Look at the progress animation has made in the past ten years. Twenty years ago, Toy story would have been impossible to make.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_Horror@yahoogroups.com
From: mikej33@...
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:38:23 -0800
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1971)

Danforth would do uncredited work for David Allen on things like ROBOT WARS and of course did CLASH OF THE TITANS after he left CAVEMAN. He's said before that he had grown tired of putting other people's ideas on the screen and would prefer to put his own ideas on the screen. He seems to have retired now so I guess he isn't doing much of either. It's a real shame he never was able to complete TIMEGATE. I really think had that film been completed as planned, it would have been the JURASSIC PARK of it's day.

There was an article about it in an old issue of Cinefantastique and it certainly looked like it would have been one amazing stop-motion dinosaur film. Some news I found crushing was 10 years ago when I read that David Allen had died. I knew this meant that his pet project THE PRIMEVALS would never be completed and sure enough, it hasn't.

--- On Sun, 11/29/09, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1971)
To: prehistoric_horror@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 9:03 AM

Jim Danforth was the first person hired to create the dino effects of Dinosaur Valley Girls (1996). He was with the project a few weeks before leaving because he was tired of just pushing puppets on other people's movies. Quote from Mark Berry's The Dinosaur Filmography, 2005, MacFarland and Company. Despite this, Director Don Glut made sure that the dinos were first rate. The film featured the movie debut of the carnotaurus.

Carnosaur (1993) also featured great dino effects, as did The Beast of Hollow Mountain (1956). I remember seeing Beast when I was a kid in 1957. A cowboy dinossaur movie! I was so surprized.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
From: mikej33@yahoo. com
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:44:02 -0800
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_ Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1971)

I thought the animation was excellent and worthy of the Oscar nomination the film received for it. It's a shame Jim Danforth has not had a film to showcase his work in ever since really. He did little parts of other films for other people but WHEN DINOSAURS RULED THE EARTH was pretty much HIS film, although David Allen and Roger Dicken helped him.
As far the the bikini women are concerned, the rumor is that the latest DVD of it contained nudity but I must not have watched very closely as I have yet to see any. I figure unless they wanted an R rating they had to go with fur bikinis. No way around it really. I think WHEN DINOSAURS RULED THE EARTH and ONE MILLION YEARS B.C. are the most watchable of the caveman vs. prehistoric creature films, although Roger Corman's TEENAGE CAVEMAN is pretty good too.

--- On Sat, 11/28/09, Paul DeRycke <pderycke@frontierne t.net> wrote:

From: Paul DeRycke <pderycke@frontierne t.net>
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_ Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1971)
To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 7:35 PM

Are you asking if it would have been better with women without bikinis?! (< ;

Gillgrappler

On Nov 28, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Jean Elliott wrote:

I liked this film because I thought that the animation was first rate and they chose to use new dinos like the chasmosaur. They also chose to use Victoria Vetri, the 1968 Playboy Playmate of the Year (under the name of Angela Dorian).

I have two questions to start things off.

1) What did you think of the animation?

2) Do you think that the addition of scantily clad women like Vetri was a good idea or not? Would have the film worked without the bikinis or the women?

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

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#643

From: Mike Johnson <mikej33@...>
Date: Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:53 pm
Subject: RE: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

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From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...>
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)
To: prehistoric_horror@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 12:46 PM

True, true. Humans and dinos were millions of years apart.

I think that dinos belong in the past and among their own kind. Then you don't have to worry about cavemen because they didn't exist. Movies, however, like to create paradoxes, such as man and dinos living side by side. The thing that got me was that prehistoric men were shown having mastered fire, using metals for knifes and spearheads, having needles for sewing skins into comfortable fitting bikinis and yet they paniced and ran in front of the dinos every time like they had never seen them before. You would think that they would have learned how to trap and kill dinos over time. They should have learned how to protect their caves from intruders with some primitive alarm systems.

I don't think that dinos would work on other worlds. Since the 1950s, we have been led to believe that anything coming from space is different from human life in some way. Space is full of monsters, humanoid people wearing strange clothing and monsters. A T-Rex is an earth creature. To have one on another world just wouldn't look right to me. Other worlds should have their own creatures.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
From: hammeramicus2002@ yahoo.co. uk
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:10:00 +0000
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_ Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

They also had them juxtaposed with dinosaurs - ludicrous! They should have set it on an alien planet, that would have taken care of the science naysayers.

Rick

--- On Sun, 29/11/09, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@ hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@ hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_ Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)
To: prehistoric_ horror@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Sunday, 29 November, 2009, 17:40

I think that if we had bedraggled cave women, it would be a little more in keeping with the men and the environment in which they lived. The problem is that Hollywood tried to show cavemen and women looking like us, but acting more primitive and savage. They were more like the Flintstones than any primitive society.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
From: hammeramicus2002@ yahoo.co. uk
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:35:02 +0000
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_ Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

They should be unclothed (same as the men) and bedraggled (agains, same as the men)

--- On Sun, 29/11/09, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@ hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@ hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_ Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1971)
To: prehistoric_ horror@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Sunday, 29 November, 2009, 17:13

Yes. Does a film need women in bikinis or should women be dressed as the men dressed? In some primitive societies, women do not wear tops because it interfers with the feeding of children as they go about their daily chores. Also, if a group lives in caves and dirt, is it accurate to portray the actresses as clean, whole looking women or should they also look as bedraggled as the men.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
From: pderycke@frontierne t.net
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:35:43 -0500
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_ Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1971)

Are you asking if it would have been better with women without bikinis?! (< ;

Gillgrappler

On Nov 28, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Jean Elliott wrote:

I liked this film because I thought that the animation was first rate and they chose to use new dinos like the chasmosaur. They also chose to use Victoria Vetri, the 1968 Playboy Playmate of the Year (under the name of Angela Dorian).

I have two questions to start things off.

1) What did you think of the animation?

2) Do you think that the addition of scantily clad women like Vetri was a good idea or not? Would have the film worked without the bikinis or the women?

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

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#642

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...>
Date: Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:46 pm
Subject: RE: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

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True, true. Humans and dinos were millions of years apart.

I think that dinos belong in the past and among their own kind. Then you don't have to worry about cavemen because they didn't exist. Movies, however, like to create paradoxes, such as man and dinos living side by side. The thing that got me was that prehistoric men were shown having mastered fire, using metals for knifes and spearheads, having needles for sewing skins into comfortable fitting bikinis and yet they paniced and ran in front of the dinos every time like they had never seen them before. You would think that they would have learned how to trap and kill dinos over time. They should have learned how to protect their caves from intruders with some primitive alarm systems.

I don't think that dinos would work on other worlds. Since the 1950s, we have been led to believe that anything coming from space is different from human life in some way. Space is full of monsters, humanoid people wearing strange clothing and monsters. A T-Rex is an earth creature. To have one on another world just wouldn't look right to me. Other worlds should have their own creatures.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_Horror@yahoogroups.com
From: hammeramicus2002@...
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:10:00 +0000
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

They also had them juxtaposed with dinosaurs - ludicrous! They should have set it on an alien planet, that would have taken care of the science naysayers.

Rick

--- On Sun, 29/11/09, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)
To: prehistoric_horror@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 29 November, 2009, 17:40

I think that if we had bedraggled cave women, it would be a little more in keeping with the men and the environment in which they lived. The problem is that Hollywood tried to show cavemen and women looking like us, but acting more primitive and savage. They were more like the Flintstones than any primitive society.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
From: hammeramicus2002@ yahoo.co. uk
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:35:02 +0000
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_ Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

They should be unclothed (same as the men) and bedraggled (agains, same as the men)

--- On Sun, 29/11/09, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@ hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@ hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_ Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1971)
To: prehistoric_ horror@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Sunday, 29 November, 2009, 17:13

Yes. Does a film need women in bikinis or should women be dressed as the men dressed? In some primitive societies, women do not wear tops because it interfers with the feeding of children as they go about their daily chores. Also, if a group lives in caves and dirt, is it accurate to portray the actresses as clean, whole looking women or should they also look as bedraggled as the men.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
From: pderycke@frontierne t.net
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:35:43 -0500
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_ Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1971)

Are you asking if it would have been better with women without bikinis?! (< ;

Gillgrappler

On Nov 28, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Jean Elliott wrote:

I liked this film because I thought that the animation was first rate and they chose to use new dinos like the chasmosaur. They also chose to use Victoria Vetri, the 1968 Playboy Playmate of the Year (under the name of Angela Dorian).

I have two questions to start things off.

1) What did you think of the animation?

2) Do you think that the addition of scantily clad women like Vetri was a good idea or not? Would have the film worked without the bikinis or the women?

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

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#641

From: Mike Johnson <mikej33@...>
Date: Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:38 pm
Subject: RE: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1971)

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--- On Sun, 11/29/09, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...> wrote:

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...>
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1971)
To: prehistoric_horror@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 9:03 AM

Jim Danforth was the first person hired to create the dino effects of Dinosaur Valley Girls (1996). He was with the project a few weeks before leaving because he was tired of just pushing puppets on other people's movies. Quote from Mark Berry's The Dinosaur Filmography, 2005, MacFarland and Company. Despite this, Director Don Glut made sure that the dinos were first rate. The film featured the movie debut of the carnotaurus.

Carnosaur (1993) also featured great dino effects, as did The Beast of Hollow Mountain (1956). I remember seeing Beast when I was a kid in 1957. A cowboy dinossaur movie! I was so surprized.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
From: mikej33@yahoo. com
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:44:02 -0800
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_ Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1971)

I thought the animation was excellent and worthy of the Oscar nomination the film received for it. It's a shame Jim Danforth has not had a film to showcase his work in ever since really. He did little parts of other films for other people but WHEN DINOSAURS RULED THE EARTH was pretty much HIS film, although David Allen and Roger Dicken helped him.
As far the the bikini women are concerned, the rumor is that the latest DVD of it contained nudity but I must not have watched very closely as I have yet to see any. I figure unless they wanted an R rating they had to go with fur bikinis. No way around it really. I think WHEN DINOSAURS RULED THE EARTH and ONE MILLION YEARS B.C. are the most watchable of the caveman vs. prehistoric creature films, although Roger Corman's TEENAGE CAVEMAN is pretty good too.

--- On Sat, 11/28/09, Paul DeRycke <pderycke@frontierne t.net> wrote:

From: Paul DeRycke <pderycke@frontierne t.net>
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_ Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1971)
To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 7:35 PM

Are you asking if it would have been better with women without bikinis?! (< ;

Gillgrappler

On Nov 28, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Jean Elliott wrote:

I liked this film because I thought that the animation was first rate and they chose to use new dinos like the chasmosaur. They also chose to use Victoria Vetri, the 1968 Playboy Playmate of the Year (under the name of Angela Dorian).

I have two questions to start things off.

1) What did you think of the animation?

2) Do you think that the addition of scantily clad women like Vetri was a good idea or not? Would have the film worked without the bikinis or the women?

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

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#640

From: richard curzon <hammeramicus2002@...>
Date: Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:10 pm
Subject: RE: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

hammeramicus...

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From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...>
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)
To: prehistoric_horror@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 29 November, 2009, 17:40

I think that if we had bedraggled cave women, it would be a little more in keeping with the men and the environment in which they lived. The problem is that Hollywood tried to show cavemen and women looking like us, but acting more primitive and savage. They were more like the Flintstones than any primitive society.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
From: hammeramicus2002@ yahoo.co. uk
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:35:02 +0000
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_ Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

They should be unclothed (same as the men) and bedraggled (agains, same as the men)

--- On Sun, 29/11/09, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@ hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@ hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_ Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1971)
To: prehistoric_ horror@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Sunday, 29 November, 2009, 17:13

Yes. Does a film need women in bikinis or should women be dressed as the men dressed? In some primitive societies, women do not wear tops because it interfers with the feeding of children as they go about their daily chores. Also, if a group lives in caves and dirt, is it accurate to portray the actresses as clean, whole looking women or should they also look as bedraggled as the men.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
From: pderycke@frontierne t.net
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:35:43 -0500
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_ Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1971)

Are you asking if it would have been better with women without bikinis?! (< ;

Gillgrappler

On Nov 28, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Jean Elliott wrote:

I liked this film because I thought that the animation was first rate and they chose to use new dinos like the chasmosaur. They also chose to use Victoria Vetri, the 1968 Playboy Playmate of the Year (under the name of Angela Dorian).

I have two questions to start things off.

1) What did you think of the animation?

2) Do you think that the addition of scantily clad women like Vetri was a good idea or not? Would have the film worked without the bikinis or the women?

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

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#639

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...>
Date: Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:40 pm
Subject: RE: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

j.cheeverloo...

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I think that if we had bedraggled cave women, it would be a little more in keeping with the men and the environment in which they lived. The problem is that Hollywood tried to show cavemen and women looking like us, but acting more primitive and savage. They were more like the Flintstones than any primitive society.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_Horror@yahoogroups.com
From: hammeramicus2002@...
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:35:02 +0000
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

They should be unclothed (same as the men) and bedraggled (agains, same as the men)

--- On Sun, 29/11/09, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1971)
To: prehistoric_horror@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 29 November, 2009, 17:13

Yes. Does a film need women in bikinis or should women be dressed as the men dressed? In some primitive societies, women do not wear tops because it interfers with the feeding of children as they go about their daily chores. Also, if a group lives in caves and dirt, is it accurate to portray the actresses as clean, whole looking women or should they also look as bedraggled as the men.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
From: pderycke@frontierne t.net
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:35:43 -0500
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_ Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1971)

Are you asking if it would have been better with women without bikinis?! (< ;

Gillgrappler

On Nov 28, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Jean Elliott wrote:

I liked this film because I thought that the animation was first rate and they chose to use new dinos like the chasmosaur. They also chose to use Victoria Vetri, the 1968 Playboy Playmate of the Year (under the name of Angela Dorian).

I have two questions to start things off.

1) What did you think of the animation?

2) Do you think that the addition of scantily clad women like Vetri was a good idea or not? Would have the film worked without the bikinis or the women?

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

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#638

From: richard curzon <hammeramicus2002@...>
Date: Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:36 pm
Subject: Re: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

hammeramicus...

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Danforth also worked on Clash of the Titans (1981) for Ray Harrthausen.

Rick

--- On Sun, 29/11/09, Mike Johnson <mikej33@...> wrote:

From: Mike Johnson <mikej33@...>
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1971)
To: Prehistoric_Horror@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 29 November, 2009, 15:44

I thought the animation was excellent and worthy of the Oscar nomination the film received for it. It's a shame Jim Danforth has not had a film to showcase his work in ever since really. He did little parts of other films for other people but WHEN DINOSAURS RULED THE EARTH was pretty much HIS film, although David Allen and Roger Dicken helped him.
As far the the bikini women are concerned, the rumor is that the latest DVD of it contained nudity but I must not have watched very closely as I have yet to see any. I figure unless they wanted an R rating they had to go with fur bikinis. No way around it really. I think WHEN DINOSAURS RULED THE EARTH and ONE MILLION YEARS B.C. are the most watchable of the caveman vs. prehistoric creature films, although Roger Corman's TEENAGE CAVEMAN is pretty good too.

--- On Sat, 11/28/09, Paul DeRycke <pderycke@frontierne t.net> wrote:

From: Paul DeRycke <pderycke@frontierne t.net>
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_ Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1971)
To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 7:35 PM

Are you asking if it would have been better with women without bikinis?! (< ;

Gillgrappler

On Nov 28, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Jean Elliott wrote:

I liked this film because I thought that the animation was first rate and they chose to use new dinos like the chasmosaur. They also chose to use Victoria Vetri, the 1968 Playboy Playmate of the Year (under the name of Angela Dorian).

I have two questions to start things off.

1) What did you think of the animation?

2) Do you think that the addition of scantily clad women like Vetri was a good idea or not? Would have the film worked without the bikinis or the women?

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star.

#637

From: richard curzon <hammeramicus2002@...>
Date: Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:35 pm
Subject: RE: When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1969)

hammeramicus...

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They should be unclothed (same as the men) and bedraggled (agains, same as the men)

--- On Sun, 29/11/09, Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...> wrote:

From: Jean Elliott <Turbo-ducky@...>
Subject: RE: [Prehistoric_Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1971)
To: prehistoric_horror@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 29 November, 2009, 17:13

Yes. Does a film need women in bikinis or should women be dressed as the men dressed? In some primitive societies, women do not wear tops because it interfers with the feeding of children as they go about their daily chores. Also, if a group lives in caves and dirt, is it accurate to portray the actresses as clean, whole looking women or should they also look as bedraggled as the men.

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

To: Prehistoric_ Horror@yahoogrou ps.com
From: pderycke@frontierne t.net
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:35:43 -0500
Subject: Re: [Prehistoric_ Horror] When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1971)

Are you asking if it would have been better with women without bikinis?! (< ;

Gillgrappler

On Nov 28, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Jean Elliott wrote:

I liked this film because I thought that the animation was first rate and they chose to use new dinos like the chasmosaur. They also chose to use Victoria Vetri, the 1968 Playboy Playmate of the Year (under the name of Angela Dorian).

I have two questions to start things off.

1) What did you think of the animation?

2) Do you think that the addition of scantily clad women like Vetri was a good idea or not? Would have the film worked without the bikinis or the women?

"Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans."
-- John Lennon

Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star.

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