Greetings,

I'm new here and very interested in finding out what a "voiding" basket
is. I can find it listed among possessions into the 17th century but
don't know precisely what it is...or looks like.

Does anyone here know? I'm trying to set up a subtlety that calls for
it.

Regards,
Tadhg

According to a reference I found on Google Books (from a journal called "Notes
and Queries" published in London in 1853), a voiding knife and voider were used
to clean the tables after a meal.  The voiding knife was used to scrape the
scraps into the voider "the latter was a basket into which were swept. . .all
the bones and scraps left upon the trenchers or scattered about the table."
http://snipurl.com/armf0


As to what it looks like, your guess is as good as mine.  According to the above
reference, it could also be called an alms basket--you might have better luck
searching under that name.  Maybe someone else will be of further help.

Catriona de Brynton


________________________________
From: Chuck Graves <ld_tadhg@...>
To: SCAbasketry@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 10:57:04 PM
Subject: [SCAbasketry] Voiding basket


Greetings,

I'm new here and very interested in finding out what a "voiding" basket
is. I can find it listed among possessions into the 17th century but
don't know precisely what it is...or looks like.

Does anyone here know? I'm trying to set up a subtlety that calls for
it.

Regards,
Tadhg



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Okay, I took a few steps and looked... first, an alternate name for
Voider is Alms Basket or Maund. A maund is described as being a small
wicker basket with handles. I found an image of a maund on
http://www.trugmaker.co.nz/products.php, but if you look up "alms
basket" on google images you can find one that works... I'd have a
simple wicker basket with two handles (like you might see in an old
school church when they "pass the basket" for tithes. Hope that helps!

Lady Kolfinna Vallagyoja

--- In SCAbasketry@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Graves" <ld_tadhg@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> I'm new here and very interested in finding out what a "voiding"
basket
> is. I can find it listed among possessions into the 17th century but
> don't know precisely what it is...or looks like.
>
> Does anyone here know? I'm trying to set up a subtlety that calls for
> it.
>
> Regards,
> Tadhg
>

The reference to the Alms basket sounds grimly possible. In Medieval
England they used loaves baked in a crude oven to serve the Lord of
the Manor and his entourage their meals. Because of the way the bread
was baked the base of the loaf was almost ineddible and this was given
to the poor. Hence the expression 'the uper crust' referring to the
well off!
Alms were donations given to the poor and if you think about the two
situations - throwing left overs out to the poor and clearing the
tables and putting the left overs in an Alms baskets, there is an
obvious correlation- and it looks like the rich were still throwing
their left overs to the humble poor even in the 1850's.

In the images I've seen, the Alms baskets were carried by 2 handles,
oval in shape. This seems to make sense for the idea of a Voider as
well. Following the history of the baskets, from Voider to Maund to
Alms basket, you can trace back that shape. Probably a Willow basket,
woven to hold tight to whatever contents were in it. I'd even go with
semi-circular base (more like a tabbyweave)... there's several
possibilities there.

Good call on the correlation with crust of bread and alms for the
poor. It's exciting to think about it!

--- In SCAbasketry@yahoogroups.com, "chrisredstone" <christine@...>
wrote:
>
> The reference to the Alms basket sounds grimly possible. In Medieval
> England they used loaves baked in a crude oven to serve the Lord of
> the Manor and his entourage their meals. Because of the way the bread
> was baked the base of the loaf was almost ineddible and this was
given
> to the poor. Hence the expression 'the uper crust' referring to the
> well off!
> Alms were donations given to the poor and if you think about the two
> situations - throwing left overs out to the poor and clearing the
> tables and putting the left overs in an Alms baskets, there is an
> obvious correlation- and it looks like the rich were still throwing
> their left overs to the humble poor even in the 1850's.
>

Has anyone attempted to produce a reed woven hat as in the Maciejowski Bible?
Would it use flat, round, oval, halfed reed/rush? Thank you for imput.
http://www.medieval-market.biz/podglad.php?z=img/mens_cotte_type1_0.jpg
http://www.medieval-market.biz/podglad.php?z=img/mens_cotte_type1_1.jpg
http://www.medievaltymes.com/courtyard/images/maciejowski/leaf17/otm17vd.gif

Joe-Sir Bran/Midrealm

I haven't made this hat, but I have worked with rushes, the real ones
that you have to go pick yourself out of the marshy end of a lake.
There -is- no choice of shape; it just is. Latin is juncus? scirpus?
The bulrushes with the loose panicles.

Those hats look twined, to me. I've made small baskets with rushes, in
a similar fashion. Pick the rushes (we pick in fall when they are
longest), let them dry under shelter, then dampen and wrap in a damp
cloth overnight before working them.

Halima
--
http://www.island.net/~doerksen/

Quoting renedx <renedx@...>:

> Has anyone attempted to produce a reed woven hat as in the
> Maciejowski Bible? Would it use flat, round, oval, halfed reed/rush?
> Thank you for imput.
> http://www.medieval-market.biz/podglad.php?z=img/mens_cotte_type1_0.jpg
> http://www.medieval-market.biz/podglad.php?z=img/mens_cotte_type1_1.jpg
> http://www.medievaltymes.com/courtyard/images/maciejowski/leaf17/otm17vd.gif
>
> Joe-Sir Bran/Midrealm

I am also new to the Basketry list (seems kind of popular lately).
My mundane name is Laurel, and while I don't have an SCA name yet, I'm very
interested in basketry and other crafts in the context of the SCA (well, and
otherwise).
Thank you!

Hi all,

I just realised that I hadn't asked this basketry list about an (apparently)
Viking Age basket from Malmö, in Sweden.

In a 1994 article from the magazine 'Populär Historia':
http://www.popularhistoria.se/o.o.i.s?id=43&vid=129

"Malmö Stadsmuseum 1978 grävde fram en stor, välbevarad flätad korg från
vikingatiden.... den frilagda korgen såg exakt likadan ut som de potatiskorgar
man kunde köpa i välsorterade affärer fram till plastkorgarnas tidevarv."

Which I believe is:

"Malmo City Museum in 1978 excavated a large, well-preserved braided/woven
basket from the Viking Age... the uncovered basket looked exactly like the
potato baskets (potatiskorgar) one could purchase in assorted shops up until the
time period of plastic baskets."

There doesn't seem to be a bibliography, so it's a long-shot, but would anyone
know of any more details? Any idea if there's an excavation report with more
information, or an article?
I e-mailed the museum back in May but haven't heard anything back.

I'd love to know more!
~Asfridhr

Hello my name is aldred and I am extremly interested in basketweaving and was
wondering what are some good books for a beginer basket waever. I evetlly want
to make big items so I would pefer a book that has some of that kindof stuff in
it (I am talking about larger baskets, woven backpacks etc). Also were is a good
place to get material for basketweaving online. any hlp would be appricated.

e group still active? Got off the list when I moved and didn't get back on...
THANKS!
Lucia

>>
e group still active? Got off the list when I moved and didn't get back on...
THANKS! Lucia
>>
 
Think it is just inactive for awhile.  I keep monitoring it, but no luck with
anyone posting lately. 
 
I have been swamped with A&S office and getting all my Kingdom projects and
commissions completed.  Only one more commission to complete, then I can start
on my basket weaving.
 
OH!  Lost my hard drive and all my files/links for basket weaving books, so am
starting from scratch to relocate them.
 
Sorcha


WK Royal Napkin Project coordinator
Cynagua Arts & Sciences Minister
Web Minister Danegeld Tor
Project Page
http://www.pjsadventures.com/DragonsKeep/Kingdom/Kingdomprojects.html
Starfall Keeshonden http://www.pjsadventures.com/StarfallKeeshonden/





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Hi

Does anyone have experience weaving with machine cut ash or maple?

HoW long do you soak it?

Any other hints would be appreciated.

Thanks
Sue



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Hi Sue,

It depends on if you are talking about a thin cut ash or maple or a thick
cut. If it is thin and flexible when dry then soak for 30 seconds to a
minute. If a thicker cut then about 5 minutes.

Wood swells from the water so you want to soak it the least amount of time
needed to make it flexible. You need to weave the sides of the basket and
let everything dry, pack the rows down toward the base and then rewet the
stakes and tuck them down and then put the rim on. The basket will be much
stronger and tighter if you do this.



happy weaving,

Angie Wagner

The Country Seat, Inc.

www.countryseat.com

angie@...







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Hi,

For basic basketweaving with commercially available materials, try Baskets,
Baskets, Baskets #3 -
http://catalog.countryseat.com/basketsbasketsbasketsbook3-byrohkohl.aspx -
there are some large utilitarian/storage baskets.

But for authentic baskets, try books like: Country Baskets -
http://catalog.countryseat.com/countrybaskets-techniquesandprojects-byromane
lli.aspx and Handmade Baskets -
http://catalog.countryseat.com/handmadebasketsfromnaturescolourfulmaterials-
byvaughan.aspx for instructions on weaving willow and hedgerow baskets.



happy weaving,

Angie Wagner

The Country Seat, Inc.

www.countryseat.com

angie@...





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Hi Sue,

It depends on if you are talking about a thin cut ash or maple or a thick
cut. If it is thin and flexible when dry then soak for 30 seconds to a
minute. If a thicker cut then about 5 minutes.

Wood swells from the water so you want to soak it the least amount of time
needed to make it flexible. You need to weave the sides of the basket and
let everything dry, pack the rows down toward the base and then rewet the
stakes and tuck them down and then put the rim on. The basket will be much
stronger and tighter if you do this.



happy weaving,

Angie Wagner

The Country Seat, Inc.

www.countryseat.com

angie@...





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It -has- been quiet. Modern-day life has taken over, so I have to hope
I'll get back to basketry this summer, at least when rush-harvest
season begins. As for books, I think it depends on what you want to
make OR what materials are available to you...

Halima al-Rakkasa
--
http://www.island.net/~doerksen/


Quoting Sorcha <pjbarnes1@...>:

>>>
> e group still active? Got off the list when I moved and didn't get back on...
> THANKS! Lucia
>>>
>  
> Think it is just inactive for awhile.  I keep monitoring it, but no
> luck with anyone posting lately. 
>  
> I have been swamped with A&S office and getting all my Kingdom
> projects and commissions completed.  Only one more commission to
> complete, then I can start on my basket weaving.
>  
> OH!  Lost my hard drive and all my files/links for basket weaving
> books, so am starting from scratch to relocate them.
>  
> Sorcha
>
>
> WK Royal Napkin Project coordinator
> Cynagua Arts & Sciences Minister
> Web Minister Danegeld Tor
> Project Page
> http://www.pjsadventures.com/DragonsKeep/Kingdom/Kingdomprojects.html
> Starfall Keeshonden http://www.pjsadventures.com/StarfallKeeshonden/

Hi,

For basic basketweaving with commercially available materials, try Baskets,
Baskets, Baskets #3 -
http://catalog.countryseat.com/basketsbasketsbasketsbook3-byrohkohl.aspx -
there are some large utilitarian/storage baskets.

But for authentic baskets, try books like: Country Baskets -
http://catalog.countryseat.com/countrybaskets-techniquesandprojects-byromane
lli.aspx and Handmade Baskets -
http://catalog.countryseat.com/handmadebasketsfromnaturescolourfulmaterials-
byvaughan.aspx for instructions on weaving willow and hedgerow baskets.



happy weaving,

Angie Wagner

The Country Seat, Inc.

www.countryseat.com

angie@...





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Sue-I use ash & maple often-just soak 1-2 min in hot-warm water; place in
plastic bag for approx 1 hr to mellow the wood. Try a sample first.

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 2:24 AM, Sue Brunton <brunton@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hi
>
> Does anyone have experience weaving with machine cut ash or maple?
>
> HoW long do you soak it?
>
> Any other hints would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Sue
>
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>
>
>



--
Donna Dipzinski
ddip@...
www.PictureTrail.com/Dipzinski


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Seems to have worked out okay.  Not the best shot in the world but gives the
gist well enough.


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Margarita Kofinopoia/Maggie Basketmaker/Maggie Allen



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Sorry, I forgot the list doesn't do attachments I uploaded pictures of the
basket quiver to the "Maggie's baskets" album in the group photo section.


--- In SCAbasketry@yahoogroups.com, Maggie Allen <maggieany1@...> wrote:
>
> Seems to have worked out okay.  Not the best shot in the world but gives the
gist well enough.
>
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>
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>
>
> Margarita Kofinopoia/Maggie Basketmaker/Maggie Allen
>
>
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>

Greetings,
My name is Aoyama Narime (MKA Jenn Oaks), and I'm new to this list.  I'm
actually new to basket weaving as a whole.  I plan to start learning how to
weave baskets soon.  I was reccommended to this group by several on the KE A&S
yahoo group, and I'm looking forward to learning more about this craft with all
of you.

YIS,
Aoyama Narime
Shire of Eisental
East Kingdom

Hey all,

I recently made a basket out of fabric, with a wooden frame, based of an
old knitting basket. I was wondering if anyone has seen any medieval
depictions of a similar item? I need something to go with my
documentation.

While I can easily imagine something like this being used, the only
pictorial evidence I can find are all wicker/woven twigs ect. Anyone
have any idea where to look?

The first image is of the original 1970 basket I bought online, the
other two are othe new cover I made, so it would be SCA appropriate (The
old fabric was past its used-by date anyway).


[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/60246020@N03/5753939321/][img]http://f\
arm6.static.flickr.com/5190/5753939321_7b34bb1b62_m.jpg[/img][/url]
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/60246020@N03/5753939321/]The orginal
knitting basket[/url] by
[url=http://www.flickr.com/people/60246020@N03/]aussie_flugel[/url], on
Flickr

[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/60246020@N03/5753939283/][img]http://f\
arm4.static.flickr.com/3032/5753939283_b68953fd2e_m.jpg[/img][/url]
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/60246020@N03/5753939283/]The new cover
(pt 1)[/url] by
[url=http://www.flickr.com/people/60246020@N03/]aussie_flugel[/url], on
Flickr

[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/60246020@N03/5754485320/][img]http://f\
arm3.static.flickr.com/2120/5754485320_5deba800b5_m.jpg[/img][/url]
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/60246020@N03/5754485320/]P1050100[/url\
] by
[url=http://www.flickr.com/people/60246020@N03/]aussie_flugel[/url], on
Flickr

Thank you so much for your time!

Isold van Walraversijde

I just joined the group & thought I'd say hello. I was looking through the few
pictures that are here & am impressed with the projects I saw there.

I'm from the Barony of the Steppes (Dallas) in the Kingdom of Ansteorra (Texas)
& my name is Katerinka (provided the heralds dont butcher that too much amid
registering ;) ). I've never made a basket but my lord husband lovingly refers
to me as the basket wh*re of the household. I've always been interested in
learning to make them but was unsure where to begin with it.

I'm going to peruse the various resources of this site but in the mean time,
does anyone have any favorite starting points they'd like to offer to a
beginner?

Katerinka

i was wondering i am doing norse baskets enney one out got info on th osberg
ship baskets  also ceder bark ones

<<snip>>
> I recently made a basket out of fabric, with a wooden frame, based of an
> old knitting basket. I was wondering if anyone has seen any medieval
> depictions of a similar item?
<<snip>>

The closest I can think of, is the 'bag frame' from Viking Age Hedeby.
http://www.skjoldmus.de/Alltag-Tasche.html
http://blog.eibeck.de/2009/handtasche-mit-holzbuegeln.html
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7425/scannen0001t.jpg

The book this is from, apparently, is:
Florian Westphal. "Die Holzfunde von Haithabu"

You might have some luck if you search the internet for sites about the
'Haithabu Taschenbügel' - I haven't found anything about it in English, yet.

Sorry it's not much,

Asfridhr

Looking to grow Sweetgrass (Hierochloe odorata) in my area (South Bend, IN) for
basket weaving.  Anyone know where I can find plants/suppliers locally?  Thanks!

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Hi,
I'm a new member and also new to making wrapped cord baskets. From what I
understand, the cord used is cotton clothesline cord, about 3/16", but I'm
wondering if piping cord would also do or is it too soft?
I'd love to hear from others doing this craft.
Cheers
Elizabeth

Hi,

I just this group to find information on making a period basket to replace my
picnic basket that' I've been using as a feast basket. After 25 years of
excellent service, it's falling apart.

I can't find a suitable basket in stores anywhere in my area, so want to make my
own. Any suggextions on apropriate shapes?

I have a ready supply of marsh grass in a nearby marsh and am wondering if this
material would've been used go make baskets in medeival times...large enough to
hold feast gear.

Any help would be most appreciated.

Lady Katinka
Shire of Lyndhaven,
Principality of Tir Mara,
Kingdom of the East

Hello.  I've been asked to consider being a basket weaver reenactor for a
Renaissance Fair this summer and I found this group while trying to research
period basketry.

For those who do this type of reenacting, I have lots of questions. lol!
What materials and tools do you use? Do you limit yourself to the natural
materials that are available in your area (e.g., willow, grasses, bark, rushes,
etc.)?  Do you use modern-day tools???

I found the images posted to the 'Files' section of this group and see what
appears to be almost exclusively willow baskets in a wide variety of shapes and
sizes.  I have done a decent amount willow weaving but am much more experienced
working with purchased reed....

I'm also very curious about the clothing worn by weaving reenactors.  In
researching, I found that basket weaving was one of the rare instances where a
woman was accepted as a tradesman -- but further research leads me to believe
that a weaver would most likely be a female gypsy.  Is this correct? and how
would such a person be dressed?

Thanks for any info you can supply! :)