hi it has been hard getting information from my mother because she
has altimierze disease. tonight i was talking to her and she said
when she was growing up they spoke german in the house. my
grandmother spoke little english up until she died. but when my
grandparents had company they would speak slovaic, excuse the
spelling, so the kids, my mom, would not understand them. i also
found out my grandmother was born in yugoslavia and grew up in
austria. so my question is how would you spell yellenburger or
yellenbergr in those countries. you once told me how to spell it in
german and hungary. they talked about stuff that happened, like they
were from that town. they called it meattraveltz would that be
mitrovica? thanks for your help. jeanann

Jeanne,
Put Yellenberger into the <A HREF="www.google.com">www.google.com</A> search
engine and you will see two
entries.  Bill Tarkulich has explained the name Yellenberger in a very detailed
manner which should help you.
Noreen


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Is there any way to query by village

thanks
Karen
--- Bill Tarkulich <bill@...> wrote:
> Under the hood of  <http://www.ellisisland.org/>
> www.ellisisland.org
>
> For those with an technical interest of what makes
> the Ellis Island
> database tick, I have pulled together some of the
> details below.
>
>
> Launched, April 17, 2001.  First day 27,000 queries
> per second.
> Needless to say, system was overloaded.
>
> After a quick re-work, the configuration was
> upgraded as follows:
>
> Oracle database server, two-node cluster using HP
> Proliant 580 Quad
> Processor Servers, Oracle 9i RAC cluster, Linux 7.2
> 25 Web Servers - HP Proliant DL360, Windows 2000
> Advanced Server
> Two HP ML530 application servers (presumably
> e-commerce)
> Two Mail Servers running Cobalt RaQ
>
> HP Procurve 8000 serves as backbone
> Cisco Catalyst 3600 Router
> Radware Web Server Director (WSD)-Pro+
> 1.5 Terrabyte of Storage, Network Appliance F820
> filer, 3 Terrabyte
> capacity
> Offsite web hosting by Webcentric
>
>
> Recent Statistics
> 1.5 terrabyte available storage including 500GB of
> images and a 50GB
> main database
> 70 million visitors/month
> 25 million passenger records
> 40,000 hits per hour from new (2003) link to AOL
> home page
>
> Compiled by Bill Tarkulich
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>

Yes, there is. If you use the Steve Morse site (on JewGen) you can
search using the first letter of the person's surname and village. I
grabed all years from 1892 to 1924 for Orlo. The data also printed
out Orlov and some other spellings and villages not in Slovakia. You
may have to use several spelling variations as the site still can't
tell when the Ellis Island village data is wrong.


--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, Karen Salay <karen_salay@y...>
wrote:
> Is there any way to query by village
>
> thanks
> Karen
> --- Bill Tarkulich <bill@i...> wrote:
> > Under the hood of  <http://www.ellisisland.org/>
> > www.ellisisland.org
> >
> > For those with an technical interest of what makes
> > the Ellis Island
> > database tick, I have pulled together some of the
> > details below.
> >
> >
> > Launched, April 17, 2001.  First day 27,000 queries
> > per second.
> > Needless to say, system was overloaded.
> >
> > After a quick re-work, the configuration was
> > upgraded as follows:
> >
> > Oracle database server, two-node cluster using HP
> > Proliant 580 Quad
> > Processor Servers, Oracle 9i RAC cluster, Linux 7.2
> > 25 Web Servers - HP Proliant DL360, Windows 2000
> > Advanced Server
> > Two HP ML530 application servers (presumably
> > e-commerce)
> > Two Mail Servers running Cobalt RaQ
> >
> > HP Procurve 8000 serves as backbone
> > Cisco Catalyst 3600 Router
> > Radware Web Server Director (WSD)-Pro+
> > 1.5 Terrabyte of Storage, Network Appliance F820
> > filer, 3 Terrabyte
> > capacity
> > Offsite web hosting by Webcentric
> >
> >
> > Recent Statistics
> > 1.5 terrabyte available storage including 500GB of
> > images and a 50GB
> > main database
> > 70 million visitors/month
> > 25 million passenger records
> > 40,000 hits per hour from new (2003) link to AOL
> > home page
> >
> > Compiled by Bill Tarkulich
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> >
> >

frank thanks for all that info. you asked if it was related to my
family rak. well kinda. magdalena yellenberger my grandmother lived
in the next village or the next farm from my grandfather andras rak
or andres rak. they later got married in the u.s. don't no when but
they new each other from the old country.i'll let you no what i find
thanks again for your help jeanann

hi thanks for the info i will try it tonight. jeanann
--- nhasior@... wrote:
> Jeanne,
> Put Yellenberger into the <A
> HREF="www.google.com">www.google.com</A> search
> engine and you will see two
> entries.  Bill Tarkulich has explained the name
> Yellenberger in a very detailed
> manner which should help you.
> Noreen
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>


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frank the reason i think  hesse is a part of my family is awhile ago
someone on ancestry .com posted about a message concerning the
Stranc part of my family. my ggreatgrandmother. anyhow this lady had
a aunt in europe this last summer and she went to old Hesse in
Germaony and said their was a cemetary filled with many stones
saying Stranc and Stranz she told me alittle about the Hesse people
way back and it hit home. red headed woman, fighting along side
their men drinking, dancing. my grandmother wouldn't talk about her
mother because she liked going to the tavern and dancing on the
tables. i don't no if that is enough to get anywhere but it was
interesting. i havent heard any more from her. jeanann

Does anyone know the precise relationship for "sovgor" (shovgor)?  Based on some
old photos and letters I had thoght "sovgor" meant brother-in-law,  but recently
some Russian exchange students told me "sovgor" was father-in-law.

Recently someone had wrote about the terms used for various family members;  in
letters from Uzhgorod to my grandmother her neices who grew up in the
Austro-Hungarian and Czechoslovak periods addressed her as "Tyutka" - but their
children who grew up in USSR after WWII addressed my grandparents as "Strika i
Strina".   My grandmother sometimes used a word which sounded to me like
"way-ka" for "uncle".



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I can help with one of them. On my recent visit to Uzhhorod I was called "Tutka
Maureen" - "Aunt Maureen" - by those whose language preference is clearly
Ukrainian.

Maureen
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   ----- Original Message -----
   From: christopher gajda
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   Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:40 AM
   Subject: [S-R] terms for family members


   Does anyone know the precise relationship for "sovgor" (shovgor)?  Based on
some old photos and letters I had thoght "sovgor" meant brother-in-law,  but
recently some Russian exchange students told me "sovgor" was father-in-law.

   Recently someone had wrote about the terms used for various family members; 
in letters from Uzhgorod to my grandmother her neices who grew up in the
Austro-Hungarian and Czechoslovak periods addressed her as "Tyutka" - but their
children who grew up in USSR after WWII addressed my grandparents as "Strika i
Strina".   My grandmother sometimes used a word which sounded to me like
"way-ka" for "uncle".



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I remember calling my Slovak Aunt "Cetcie Annie". Does "Cetcie" mean
Aunt? I'm new to this group so please excuse my ignorance!  Thanks.
Mary

I call all my Slovak Aunts by what I know as an endearing term for an
aunt......  "Tetka".

Mary Ann
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   I remember calling my Slovak Aunt "Cetcie Annie". Does "Cetcie" mean
   Aunt? I'm new to this group so please excuse my ignorance!  Thanks.
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--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "MAMallon" <mamallon@a...> wrote:
> I call all my Slovak Aunts by what I know as an endearing term for
an
> aunt......  "Tetka".

We used the term "tsetka" for aunt.  I uploaded a file to the Slovak
Roots file section that contains many of the common terms used in
research reports including family titles. Look for the file GLOS-
SK.htm. Some of the other terms are: uncle = stry'ko(ujko in Rusyn),
father-in-law = svokor, brother-in-law = s^vagor, etc. I believe
Frank from this list may have originated the list.

John M.

If I recall aunt in Slovak is "TETA" and pronounced as "TYE-TA"

Janet

MAMallon <mamallon@...> wrote:
I call all my Slovak Aunts by what I know as an endearing term for an
aunt......  "Tetka".

Mary Ann
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   Aunt? I'm new to this group so please excuse my ignorance!  Thanks.
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Hi again group.  First I thank you very much for the file for the
Slovak translations.  It brought back memories when I heard it in my
house.  Never knew what they were talking about!!!!   Second, I
received the death certificate for my grandfather and my
grandmother's maiden name is (as I can tell) Oracli.  Checking on
Ellis Island I see that this is Polish. Am I right in assuming that?
Thanks again. For all who are anticipating the snow...get the shovels
ready!!  Mary

When I was a mere lad, I refered to my great aunt as "tsetka". She
was from Trebisov. My grandmother, who instructed me on what to call
my great aunt, was from Malcov.


--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "yawho2001" <jmatsko4@c...>
wrote:
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "MAMallon" <mamallon@a...>
wrote:
> > I call all my Slovak Aunts by what I know as an endearing term
for
> an
> > aunt......  "Tetka".
>
> We used the term "tsetka" for aunt.  I uploaded a file to the
Slovak
> Roots file section that contains many of the common terms used in
> research reports including family titles. Look for the file GLOS-
> SK.htm. Some of the other terms are: uncle = stry'ko(ujko in
Rusyn),
> father-in-law = svokor, brother-in-law = s^vagor, etc. I believe
> Frank from this list may have originated the list.
>
> John M.

Kinship terms are really complicated!  The old Slavs seemed to
have a separate word for every sort of relationship; and the old
terms along with imports from German and Hungarian are often used
in different ways in different parts of the country.

Unfortunately, s~vagor can be either: father-in-law or
brother-in-law, depending on local usage.  For father-in-law, it
traditionally refers to the wife's parents, though it wouldn't be
surprising if it were used for the husband's father too
somewhere.

Tyotka/tetka/tsetka and variations are general terms for aunt.

Traditionally, terms based on stri-/stry- refer to uncles and
aunts on your father's side, while those with vuj-/uj- refer to
uncles and aunts on your mother's side.

So striko and strina would be uncle and aunt respectively on the
father's side, while vuyko and vuyna would be the same on the
mother's side.

Joe


> Does anyone know the precise relationship for "sovgor" (shovgor)?  Based
> on some old photos and letters I had thoght "sovgor" meant
> brother-in-law,  but recently some Russian exchange students told me
> "sovgor" was father-in-law.
>
> Recently someone had wrote about the terms used for various family
> members;  in letters from Uzhgorod to my grandmother her neices who grew
> up in the Austro-Hungarian and Czechoslovak periods addressed her as
> "Tyutka" - but their children who grew up in USSR after WWII addressed
> my grandparents as "Strika i Strina".   My grandmother sometimes used a
> word which sounded to me like "way-ka" for "uncle".

Funny, I remember everyone calling my Slovak great aunt: Cetka.
Susan Friedhaber-Hard

pewterj <pewterj@...> wrote:
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Aunt? I'm new to this group so please excuse my ignorance!  Thanks.
Mary


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--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Armata, Joseph R. (JArmata)"
<JArmata@g...> wrote:
>>
> So striko and strina would be uncle and aunt respectively on the
> father's side, while vuyko and vuyna would be the same on the
> mother's side.
>
> Joe

Thanks Joe,

I had no relatives on my father's side in America so althouh I heard
the term stryko used occasionally,I didn't associate it with paternal
uncles.  I did have maternal aunts and uncles so ujko and tsetka were
the only terms I used frequently. These were the terms used by rusyn
villages in the Bardejov area.

John

Dear Joe,
Svagor is the brother of my wife.
Svokor and svokra are her parents.
We had a joke:
Show a photo of your svokra in a drug store and you can get any poison
without prescription.
They are very understandable people:-)
Vladimir

----- Original Message -----
From: "Armata, Joseph R. (JArmata)" <JArmata@...>
To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: [S-R] terms for family members


> Kinship terms are really complicated!  The old Slavs seemed to
> have a separate word for every sort of relationship; and the old
> terms along with imports from German and Hungarian are often used
> in different ways in different parts of the country.
>
> Unfortunately, s~vagor can be either: father-in-law or
> brother-in-law, depending on local usage.  For father-in-law, it
> traditionally refers to the wife's parents, though it wouldn't be
> surprising if it were used for the husband's father too
> somewhere.
>
> Tyotka/tetka/tsetka and variations are general terms for aunt.
>
> Traditionally, terms based on stri-/stry- refer to uncles and
> aunts on your father's side, while those with vuj-/uj- refer to
> uncles and aunts on your mother's side.
>
> So striko and strina would be uncle and aunt respectively on the
> father's side, while vuyko and vuyna would be the same on the
> mother's side.
>
> Joe
>
>
> > Does anyone know the precise relationship for "sovgor" (shovgor)?  Based
> > on some old photos and letters I had thoght "sovgor" meant
> > brother-in-law,  but recently some Russian exchange students told me
> > "sovgor" was father-in-law.
> >
> > Recently someone had wrote about the terms used for various family
> > members;  in letters from Uzhgorod to my grandmother her neices who grew
> > up in the Austro-Hungarian and Czechoslovak periods addressed her as
> > "Tyutka" - but their children who grew up in USSR after WWII addressed
> > my grandparents as "Strika i Strina".   My grandmother sometimes used a
> > word which sounded to me like "way-ka" for "uncle".
>
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In a message dated 12/6/03 3:27:31 AM Eastern Standard Time,
konekta@... writes:

> Show a photo of your svokra in a drug store and you can get any poison
> without prescription.
>

Vladimir,
we will tell your mother in law what you said. hahahaha   :O)
Noreen


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Noreen,
She knows that all right. That's why she never wants to eat my delicious
cooking:-)
A discouraging " My to ne jedavame" = We don't eat that.; is always the
answer.
But I'll keep trying.
Vladimir


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Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [S-R] terms for family members


> In a message dated 12/6/03 3:27:31 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> konekta@... writes:
>
> > Show a photo of your svokra in a drug store and you can get any poison
> > without prescription.
> >
>
> Vladimir,
> we will tell your mother in law what you said. hahahaha   :O)
> Noreen
>
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New Photo and History Material on North-Eastern Slovakia now available

Over the course of the fall, I have assembled photos and historical material
regarding many of the small and somewhat-neglected villages in the
northeastern corner of Slovakia.  Many people who have traveled the region
have generously shared their photos.  Others have permitted sharing their
published photos and historical essays.  Credits are duly noted.  I also
hope that others who have photos they may wish to share will do so here.
This is a non-commercial site.  The list of villages is here
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hi everyone is talking about terms can someone tell me what
naniepaso and celepaso means and what language it is from? my
grandmother who spoke german and slovic used these words i'm sure
they are spelled wrong this is how they sounded. thanks jeanann

Hi,

I lived in the area of Trenc^in, and these terms usually
applied:
S^vagor -  brother-in-law
S^vagrina - sister in law
Svat  -  father-in-law in relationship with the other
parents-in-law
Svatka - mother-in-law by same definition
Svokor - my spouses father
Svokra - my spouses mother

Teta - aunt on mothers side
Ujo - uncle on moters side
Stryco (Stryko) - uncle on fathers side
Stryna - aunt on father side

Kmotrovci are the god-parents with relation to the real
parents

It's different how what is an affectionate term on one side
of the country, my be even derogative in some locations. I
have always understood "tetka" as an unwelcome older female
guest or even a gossip.

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Hi Vlad! The Ethnographic Atlas of Slovakia has a map for terms
for parents-in-law.

Looking at it closely, svokor/svokra is by far the most common,
it blankets the country, with other terms marked as smaller areas
all over the place.

Other terms are test/testina, svat/svacha, svagor/svagrina,
apos/anos (Hungarian areas), ipamuram/napamason (Hungarian
areas), svigerfater/svigermuter (German areas); quite a few areas
are marked as having no special terms for parents-in-law  - I
guess some things are just not discussed there :^)!

It looks like svagor/svagrina is used marked for
father-in-law/mother-in-law in an area to the east of Topolcany.
That usage is shown by blue stripes on the map, and it's really
hard to tell the blue stripes from the green stripes elsewhere,
but I think that's the only area with the blue stripes, so it
might be limited to there.

Joe


>
> Dear Joe,
> Svagor is the brother of my wife.
> Svokor and svokra are her parents.
> We had a joke:
> Show a photo of your svokra in a drug store and you can get any poison
> without prescription.
> They are very understandable people:-)
> Vladimir
>

Hi Joe,
When you lived in Trenc^in, did you know the Ondrej Kuka family?
Jean
Joe Mrnka wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I lived in the area of Trenc^in, and these terms usually
>applied:
>S^vagor -  brother-in-law
>S^vagrina - sister in law
>Svat  -  father-in-law in relationship with the other
>parents-in-law
>Svatka - mother-in-law by same definition
>Svokor - my spouses father
>Svokra - my spouses mother
>
>Teta - aunt on mothers side
>Ujo - uncle on moters side
>Stryco (Stryko) - uncle on fathers side
>Stryna - aunt on father side
>
>Kmotrovci are the god-parents with relation to the real
>parents
>
>It's different how what is an affectionate term on one side
>of the country, my be even derogative in some locations. I
>have always understood "tetka" as an unwelcome older female
>guest or even a gossip.
>
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Dear Joe,
This matter is very complicated. I read about it now in the book Traditions
of the slovak family and came to the conclusion, that for an individual, it
is the best just to ask his relatives for the terms they are using.
These terms depend upon the geographical location, the time taken into
consideration and even the ethnicity of the family. Although, they are let
us say slovak families, in fact, many were of different ethnicities, which
have their own specifics.
And, of course, if you are using one term for a particular person, your
child can not use the same term, your wife can not use the same term etc.
This is when it gets complicated. What to remember and for who'se use?
The book says, that parents often were practicing using terms, that their
children were suppose to use, just to teach their own children of correct
terms.
So, when the mother said: " Ujo prisiel", it was an Ujo to the child, not to
her.
I read, that there about 35 to 40 such terms to be found on the territory of
Slovakia in different times.
In general, any strange man is an Ujo to the child.At least here, in Western
Slovakia.
Vladimir

----- Original Message -----
From: "Armata, Joseph R. (JArmata)" <JArmata@...>
To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 3:02 AM
Subject: Re: [S-R] terms for family members


> Hi Vlad! The Ethnographic Atlas of Slovakia has a map for terms
> for parents-in-law.
>
> Looking at it closely, svokor/svokra is by far the most common,
> it blankets the country, with other terms marked as smaller areas
> all over the place.
>
> Other terms are test/testina, svat/svacha, svagor/svagrina,
> apos/anos (Hungarian areas), ipamuram/napamason (Hungarian
> areas), svigerfater/svigermuter (German areas); quite a few areas
> are marked as having no special terms for parents-in-law  - I
> guess some things are just not discussed there :^)!
>
> It looks like svagor/svagrina is used marked for
> father-in-law/mother-in-law in an area to the east of Topolcany.
> That usage is shown by blue stripes on the map, and it's really
> hard to tell the blue stripes from the green stripes elsewhere,
> but I think that's the only area with the blue stripes, so it
> might be limited to there.
>
> Joe
>
>
> >
> > Dear Joe,
> > Svagor is the brother of my wife.
> > Svokor and svokra are her parents.
> > We had a joke:
> > Show a photo of your svokra in a drug store and you can get any poison
> > without prescription.
> > They are very understandable people:-)
> > Vladimir
> >
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Maybe all of these terms were for a very good purpose.  Slovak children
certainly knew what relationship each adult was to them.  That they would be so
specific must have, at one time, been decided out of some sort of necessity.
Noreen


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Can anyone identify a present day name for a Slovak village
sometimes called Sandorf.  It was probably in Nitra county.

Curt B.