I am brand new to the group...however, I am feeling terrible with a cold,
and wish to wait until I feel better to post about group topics.  Thanks for
the e-mail, moderator..frank


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Welcome Frank!

Bob M.
_________________________________________________

--- In Soar_Like_An_Eagle_2@yahoogroups.com, "frank johnson"
<pentameter77@...> wrote:
>
> I am brand new to the group...however, I am feeling terrible with a
cold,
> and wish to wait until I feel better to post about group topics.
Thanks for
> the e-mail, moderator..frank
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

It is not only in our nightmares that we have seen
these empty faces and ridgid forms before: we have
seen them on the street, in broad daylight, as faces
in the crowd, strangers on the bus, anonymous figures
in the background of the cityscape. They exist in fact,
they are really out there; but in their lifelessness,
their absence of affect and their vacancy of expression
they assume the air of unreality, like manikins or
marionettes. The illusion of their being the "living
dead" is not pure fantasy; they correspond in actuality
to our deepest human intuition of their nature and their
portent. Thus Stanford Lyman, referring to the
proliferation in our midst of "asocial formations of
strangers, marginal men, disaffiliated persons, lonely
crowds, and uprooted masses" who share an attenuation
of the normal human capacity for feeling, observes:

These people are not dead in the conventional sense,
nor indeed are they very likely to kill themselves in
acts of release from a dreadful ennui. However, they
might form corps of living corpses, legions of zombies,
who, because of their defection from living, prey upon
those who have not yet fallen into the cavern of
contemporary despair.

[From 'The Dehumanization Of Man' by Ashley Montagu &
Floyd Matson - 1983]

Bob M.
___________________________________________________

--- In Soar_Like_An_Eagle_2@yahoogroups.com, "Bob M."
<new_trail_blazer@...> wrote:
>
> "Men are machines. Machines have to be blind and unconscious, they
can
> not be otherwise, and all their actions have to correspond to their
> nature. Everything happens. No one does anything. 'Progress'
> and 'civilization' in the real meaning of the words, can appear
only as
> a result of 'conscious' efforts...And what conscious effort can
there
> be in machines?...And the unconscious activity of a million
machines
> must necessarily result in destruction and extermination. It is
> precisely in unconscious involuntary manifestations that all evil
lies."
>
> "It happens fairly often that essence dies in a man while his
> personality and body are still alive. A considerable percentage of
the
> people we meet in the streets of a great town are people who are
empty
> inside, that is, they are 'already dead'. It is fortunate for us
that
> we do not see and do not know it. If we knew what number of people
are
> actually dead and what number of these dead people govern our
lives, we
> would go mad with horror."
>
> G. I. Gurdjieff

"Society [Kinfonet] does not want individuals who
are alert, keen, revolutionary, because such
individuals will not fit into the established social
[study group] pattern and they may break it up. That
is why society [Kinfonet] seeks to hold your mind
in its pattern ["causual friendships" and "occasional
lighthearted exchanges"] and why your so-called
education [study group] encourages you to imitate,
to follow to conform." (J. Krishnamurti - 'Think On
These Things' and [Marvin])

"The men who seek out WHAT IS TRUTH, what is God -
ONLY SUCH MEN can create a new civilization, a new
culture, NOT THE PEOPLE WHO CONFORM, or who merely
revolt within the prison of the old conditioning."
(J. Krishnamurti - 'Think On These Things')

"The people who are SENSITIVE IN LIFE may SUFFER
MUCH MORE  than those who are insensitive; but if
they understand and GO BEYOND THEIR SUFFERING they
will discover EXTRAORDINARY THINGS."  (J. Krishnamurti
- 'Think On These Things')

"The free-spirit's PERFECTED BEING is usually explained
away by mere mortals as a gift, whereas it's the outcome
of his IMMENSE POWERS of SURRENDERING and SUFFERING."
(Hermann Hesse - 'Steppenwolf')

Bob M.

"The books we need are the kind that act upon us
like a misfortune, that make us suffer like the
death of someone we love more than ourselves, that
make us feel as though we were on the verge of
suicide, or lost in a forest remote from all human
habitation - a book should serve as the axe for the
frozen sea within us." [Franz Kafka]

From my own personal experience regarding this matter,
I'd suggest that one involves himself seriously and
deeply in the study of Arthur Schopenhauer's (the
'Pessimistic Philosopher') works.

Bob M.

"A somewhat less identifiable trait of the
necrophilous person is the particular kind of
lifelessness in his conversation. This is not
a matter of what the conversation is about. A
very intelligent, eurdite necrophilous person
may talk about things that would be very
interesting were it not for the way in which
he presents his ideas. He remains still, cold,
aloof, his presentation of the subject is
pedantic and lifeless." [Erich Fromm]

Bob M.
________________________________________________

--- In Soar_Like_An_Eagle_2@yahoogroups.com, "Bob M."
<new_trail_blazer@...> wrote:
>
> The Necrophilic Character
>
> "The necrophile takes revenge on life for what it did to him, he
> allies with death over life. And so we are led to understand that
the
> most terrible form of life-negation is not something that man brings
> into the world from his heredity, from evolution. It is the result
of
> the life experiences of his organism ('conditioning'). How does it
> come about, what are these experiences? It is impossible to be exact
> about these things because they deal in the realm of feeling and in
> the internal experiences of the organism. But existentially we can
> recapture a feeling for that inner world and psychoanalytically we
> can sketch an impressionistic landscape of the forces that
influences
> it. It would go something like this: that you cripple the person
when
> you continually repress his spontaneity, his natural appetite, his
> joy in self-discovery and in the unfolding of his world; when you
> continually violate his self-protection by imposing your
> manipulations and your standards; when you make his own body a
> territory forbidden for him to take pleasure in, to feel at home in.
> Do his orfices belong to him or to you? Does he experience his own
> sensations in eating and excreting, or are these acts something that
> he has to perpetrate on his body? Does he have to be extra-careful,
> shut out pleasurable and 'filthy' feelings, regard his gastric
> noises, his own insides as an annoyance or a source of shame? Is he
> deprived of the experience of the free and full functioning of his
> genitals, or even the comfort of self-indulgent flatulation of his
> anus? Is he made to feel mean and small, low in self-esteem compared
> to those around him - especially to things around him? Is he
> routinely punished for dirtying a tablecloth, for spilling on the
> floor, for losing a sock: the message he gets is that he is less
> valuable than these 'things', that things are truer than
> subjectivity, that order takes priority over spontaneity, that
> outsides and surfaces are more vital than insides and depths. Make
it
> impossible or supremely difficult for him to reach out and warmly
> touch another human being, or melt himself confidently into
another's
> body; relate to him so that he is always a psychological yard or two
> away from you, cannot touch you or be touched by you emotionally;
> penetrate him with your own high level of anxiety about life, your
> fear of experience and newness, your lack of warm relaxedness, of
> comfortable playfulness: reward him for holding back, for self-
> control, for orderly arrangement, for taking care of his clothes and
> his gadgets, for skill in manipulating mechanical things, for not
> making technical mistakes in the use of figures and language - do
> these things to a marvelously sensitive creature who needs self-
> esteem and the experiences of his powers as much as he needs bread,
> and you create a (Dr.) Strangelove. You create a being who is so
> deprived, so walled-up and pushed back on himself, so inept at
> reaching out, so short-circuited, whose nerve fibers are attracted
to
> things hard, angular and cold, whose insides are such an empty echo-
> chamber of denial, that in order for his organism to sense, in some
> massively clumsy way, what would for him be a sense of vital
> expansion, to be psychically healed and begin to walk, it would take
> nothing less than the destruction of the entire planet."
>
> Ernest Becker ('The Birth and Death of Meaning')
>
> Bob M.
>

I do not think it increases the stature of Bubba
Free John or enhances his own teaching to refer to
Krishnamurti's teachings as "adolescent philosophizing"
that attracts "the most mediocre and sophomoric
inclinations in men" by "method and trickery."
[Greg Treleaven]

http://lightmind.com/blogs/adiblog.html

>>>(On Krishnamurti)<<<

Whether or not it increases the stature of or
enhances the teaching of Mr. Jones, I wholeheartedly
agree with his observations and opinions regarding
Krishnamurti's latter-day talks and so-called
'teachings'. Likewise I feel that neither Jones
nor Krishnamurti, as is the case too with virtually
all of these many modern day 'enlightened' 'World
Teachers', Gurus, Godmen, etc., were nor will they
be at all effective in the awakening and liberation
of their fellow men.

Bob M.

Dear Bob,

I happened to find this address on k-net and felt i wanted to come and
say 'hi' to you.

It is clear here that whatever happens in the mind, in the limited
concisouness, perpetuates itself, division. And in undertanding how
the mind works, it is not difficult to see that for example your and
Sachasam's and Blue Nymp's banning from k-net was one such action.
Mind taking limited measures with regards to itself, having some
motive of course, no matter how "sincere" yet separative, lacking
attention to oneself. And one always feels sadness at witnessing
separation . At the same time one cannot be "for" or "against"
anything/anyone, take any sides, have any opinions etc..one is both
the banners and the banned anyway...no division..

Just "a feeling in the heart" upon reading about your banning, that
"whatever is done to any of my brothers or sisters is done to me as
well", since no one is separate. A feeling of "children missing", a
feeling rubbish having been swept under the carpet.  The mind may be
under an impression of "doing away with disturbance", "taking
justified measures", but it is seen that its every moment IS
disturbance, division. It justifies its own existence, that is why it
appears to exist. This is how it appears here this moment anyway..

Anyway, these words can go too, let them not accumulate anywhere. Just
wanted to say, there are arms open for you and all. No one and nothing
can be left out, who would do it..

Csme upon this quote here:


"The people who are SENSITIVE IN LIFE may SUFFER
MUCH MORE than those who are insensitive; but if
they understand and GO BEYOND THEIR SUFFERING they
will discover EXTRAORDINARY THINGS." (J. Krishnamurti
- 'Think On These Things')

Exactly. The more sentivite you are to all that is false, the more
incaoabe of filling your life with things of the mind, the more you
will suffer. And at the moment there is absolite suffering, absolute
darkness, light shines in. And this happens, as was felt this morning,
because the mind is the darkness and the mind is made up of fragments.
So there is nothing absolute in the mind, incluidng abssolute
darkness! There is great secret in suffering though, the way it can
take one to meet oneself fully, to die to oneself. And the feeling is,
that those who do not seek comfort, will be comforted.

with warm regards,

mina

Hi Friend,

Thank you for your interest and concern, Mina.
Indeed genuine self-overcoming gets to be a very
lonely path at times if one truly stays the course.
One begins to feel and deeply understand the
loneliness of Christ in the Garden of Gethsemane.
Likewise his admonition, "Remember if they hate you
they hated me before they hated you." And also just
how terribly and irreparably lost in their conditioned
machine-likeness the vast majority of the human
species is. One too learns that he can only have sorrow,
compassion, love, and understanding for the many, many
lost souls who are unfortunately, but frankly, and
through no fault of their own, definitely unchosen to
ever receive the gift of Love. Thanks again Mina, and
best wishes in your journey and your finding unlimited
experiencing of those often small, free, and simple,
yet wonderfully 'extraordinary things'.

Bob M.
_________________________________________________

--- In Soar_Like_An_Eagle_2@yahoogroups.com, "martini_mina"
<martini_mina@...> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Bob,
>
> I happened to find this address on k-net and felt i wanted to come
and
> say 'hi' to you.
>
> It is clear here that whatever happens in the mind, in the limited
> consciouness, perpetuates itself, division. And in undertanding how
> the mind works, it is not difficult to see that for example your and
> Sachasam's and Blue Nymp's banning from k-net was one such action.
> Mind taking limited measures with regards to itself, having some
> motive of course, no matter how "sincere" yet separative, lacking
> attention to oneself. And one always feels sadness at witnessing
> separation . At the same time one cannot be "for" or "against"
> anything/anyone, take any sides, have any opinions etc..one is both
> the banners and the banned anyway...no division..
>
> Just "a feeling in the heart" upon reading about your banning, that
> "whatever is done to any of my brothers or sisters is done to me as
> well", since no one is separate. A feeling of "children missing", a
> feeling rubbish having been swept under the carpet.  The mind may be
> under an impression of "doing away with disturbance", "taking
> justified measures", but it is seen that its every moment IS
> disturbance, division. It justifies its own existence, that is why
it
> appears to exist. This is how it appears here this moment anyway..
>
> Anyway, these words can go too, let them not accumulate anywhere.
Just
> wanted to say, there are arms open for you and all. No one and
nothing
> can be left out, who would do it..
>
> Csme upon this quote here:
>
>
> "The people who are SENSITIVE IN LIFE may SUFFER
> MUCH MORE than those who are insensitive; but if
> they understand and GO BEYOND THEIR SUFFERING they
> will discover EXTRAORDINARY THINGS." (J. Krishnamurti
> - 'Think On These Things')
>
> Exactly. The more sensitive you are to all that is false, the more
> incapable of filling your life with things of the mind, the more you
> will suffer. And at the moment there is absolute suffering, absolute
> darkness, light shines in. And this happens, as was felt this
morning,
> because the mind is the darkness and the mind is made up of
fragments.
> So there is nothing absolute in the mind, including absolute
> darkness! There is great secret in suffering though, the way it can
> take one to meet oneself fully, to die to oneself. And the feeling
is,
> that those who do not seek comfort, will be comforted.
>
> with warm regards,
>
> mina
>

Being a stickler for correctness, I'd like to correct
the quote of Christ as it was wrongly quoted below.
It should read as follows:

"If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before
it hated you." (John 15:18 KJV)

Bob M.
___________________________________________________

--- In Soar_Like_An_Eagle_2@yahoogroups.com, "Bob M."
<new_trail_blazer@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Friend,
>
> Thank you for your interest and concern, Mina.
> Indeed genuine self-overcoming gets to be a very
> lonely path at times if one truly stays the course.
> One begins to feel and deeply understand the
> loneliness of Christ in the Garden of Gethsemane.
> Likewise his admonition, "Remember if they hate you
> they hated me before they hated you." And also just
> how terribly and irreparably lost in their conditioned
> machine-likeness the vast majority of the human
> species is. One too learns that he can only have sorrow,
> compassion, love, and understanding for the many, many
> lost souls who are unfortunately, but frankly, and
> through no fault of their own, definitely unchosen to
> ever receive the gift of Love. Thanks again Mina, and
> best wishes in your journey and your finding unlimited
> experiencing of those often small, free, and simple,
> yet wonderfully 'extraordinary things'.
>
> Bob M.

"I had never realized that depending on God meant
depending on Love. I had heard it said that God was
Love, but it had never kicked in for me exactly what
that meant."

"He (God) is the Love within us."

"Most of us are violent people - not necessarily
physically, but emotionally."

"If you go deeply enough into your mind, and I go
deeply enough into mine, we have the 'same mind'."

"Love is energy.....Very few people feel enough Love
in their lives. The world has become a rather loveless
place. We can hardly imagine a world in which all of
us were in Love all the time, with everyone."

(From 'A Return To Love' by Maryanne Williamson)

"Love and do as you will, and there'll be right action."
(J. Krishnamurti)

(to be continued)

Bob M.
________________________________________________________

Reflections on J. Krishnamurti by Gabriele Blackburn:

"As he took his place and stood waiting for the
audience to be ready to listen, that radiance all
around him - a calming but vibrant energy radiated
from him."

"I also remember his touch or a loving hug when he
picked me up, because it felt like it went right
into me and filled me up with a wonderful feeling."

"I never understood why everybody that heard him did
not understand his greatness. For me there was never
any need to seek outside of myself again, or listen
to other philosophies."

(From 'The Light Of Krishnamurti' by Gabriele Blackburn)

Bob M.

(to be continued)

This writer clearly sees that Mrs. Blackburn's deep
and warm understanding of Krishnamurti was due to the
inherent God or the Love seed which was firmly planted
into her by her parents, which she states in her book
as follows:

"Our parents had this enormous Love and concern for
us children, and were interested in helping us find
our own way."

Her parents, especially her father, were good friends
of Krishnamurti for many years, and she is nearly the
same age as Radha Sloss, who I think she knew and
played with as a child. She still resides in Ojai, CA.

Bob M.
__________________________________________________________

--- In Soar_Like_An_Eagle_2@yahoogroups.com, "Bob M."
<new_trail_blazer@...> wrote:
>
> Reflections on J. Krishnamurti by Gabriele Blackburn:
>
> "As he took his place and stood waiting for the
> audience to be ready to listen, that radiance all
> around him - a calming but vibrant energy radiated
> from him."
>
> "I also remember his touch or a loving hug when he
> picked me up, because it felt like it went right
> into me and filled me up with a wonderful feeling."
>
> "I never understood why everybody that heard him did
> not understand his greatness. For me there was never
> any need to seek outside of myself again, or listen
> to other philosophies."
>
> (From 'The Light Of Krishnamurti' by Gabriele Blackburn)
>
> Bob M.

"Most of us are violent people - not necessarily
physically, but emotionally."

(Maryanne Williamson & I'm most sure Krishnamurti
too said the very same thing many times over the
many years.)

And my long and hard experience here online on
many various internet forums has taught me the
very same thing. As I've found first-hand virtually
all of them, and under any guise, to be full of
psychological violence and all sorts of small and
petty games galore. Though I have personally grown
tremendously as a result of the experience, and
especially in the capacity to keenly 'feel others
out', so to speak, often to the point whereby one
almost knows what they would look like if one ever
met them, though in most cases a meeting would
not really be at all very desireable.

And in this loveless world as Maryanne Williams
rightly calls it, there is always its counterpart
fear, soooo terribly, terribly much fear. Since it
is only by Love alone that we can fully eradicate
fear out of our lives. Much like J. K. so wonderfully
put it: "The flame of Love consumes all fear."

Amen to that one K!

Bob M.
________________________________________________

--- In Soar_Like_An_Eagle_2@yahoogroups.com, "Bob M."
<new_trail_blazer@...> wrote:
>
> "I had never realized that depending on God meant
> depending on Love. I had heard it said that God was
> Love, but it had never kicked in for me exactly what
> that meant."
>
> "He (God) is the Love within us."
>
> "Most of us are violent people - not necessarily
> physically, but emotionally."
>
> "If you go deeply enough into your mind, and I go
> deeply enough into mine, we have the 'same mind'."
>
> "Love is energy.....Very few people feel enough Love
> in their lives. The world has become a rather loveless
> place. We can hardly imagine a world in which all of
> us were in Love all the time, with everyone."
>
> (From 'A Return To Love' by Maryanne Williamson)
>
> "Love and do as you will, and there'll be right action."
> (J. Krishnamurti)
>
> (to be continued)
>
> Bob M.
> ________________________________________________________
>

Dear Peter,

If you feel that my experience, strength, and hope,
along with my deep and intimate living relationship
with the Truth, is of a violent nature, then so be it.
Though it's very clear to me that your observations
are not only totally incorrect, but are a ploy that's
often used by the weak to undermind the strong or
those growing in strength.

And once again I suspect you are Dano who posts regularly
on Kinfonet, and that your particular m. o., as is the
case too with some posters there, is to drag all things
that are postitive and life-affirming that others post
there into the mud. Quite frankly I feel you are a very
devious and vicious person, and I would only hope that
others would wake up to that fact. People can be extremely
violent and disruptive via this means of communication.
And this I've too learned the hard way, which is really
the only way.

I would however surely pray that you change Peter or Dano,
yet with that it's really out of my hands. Many people
unfortunately are totally incapable of change, were they
to live even 10 lifetimes. As quite simply their early
childhood conditioning was too destructive and corrosive,
leaving them with emotional scars so deep and disfigured
that there can be no true healing of them whatsoever.

Yours truly,

Bob M.

"The Truth can be a most devastating thing." (J. Krishnamurti)
_______________________________________________________

--- In Soar_Like_An_Eagle_2@yahoogroups.com, "proustienne2001"
<proustienne2001@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Bob,
> I wonder if you are aware of the violence in your
> own nature? It seems to me as if you constantly
> project that emotional violence and bullying onto
> other people. Are you aware that by so doing you
> are maintaing your high levels of self-intoxication.
> And I am sure that you realise the dangers of
> intoxication.
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> Peter
> ____________________________________________________

In this torn desert world there is no love because
pleasure and desire play the greatest roles, yet
without love your daily life has no meaning. And
you cannot have love if there is no beauty. Beauty
is not something you see - not a beautiful tree,
a beautiful picture, a beautiful building or a
beautiful woman. There is beauty only when your
heart and mind know what love is. Without love and
that sense of beauty there is no virtue, and you
know very well that, do what you will, improve
society, feed the poor, you will only be creating
more mischief, for without love there is only
ugliness and poverty in your own heart and mind.
But when there is love and beauty, whatever you
do is right, whatever you do is in order. If you
know how to love, then you can do what you like
because it will solve all other problems.

http://www.katinkahesselink.net/kr/love.html

Bob M.

"From the moment of birth, when the stone-age
baby confronts the twentieth-century mother,
the baby is subjected to these forces of violence,
called love, as its mother and father have been,
and their parents and their parents before them,
These forces are mainly concerned with destroying
most of its potentialities. This enterprise is on
the whole successful." [R. D. Laing]

Bob M.

If that's the case Peter, so be it. Though I feel
quite differently. And thinking back on the general
bent of your postings over the months, I still
definitely see an attempt by you to weaken or water-
down myself and my views and revelations. And if you
feel you are wasting your time 'trying to help me', as
you allude to, I'd highly suggest you put your time
and energies to other purposes, since you're definitely
not going to change my fundamental views and ideas. Nor
my life's mission either.

Yours truly,

Bob M.
____________________________________________________

--- In Soar_Like_An_Eagle_2@yahoogroups.com, "proustienne2001"
<proustienne2001@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Bob,
>
> I have no knowledge of Dano or Kinfonet.
> I am probably wasting my time attempting trying
> to help you.
>
> Peter
> ______________________________________________
>
> --- In Soar_Like_An_Eagle_2@yahoogroups.com, "Bob M."
> <new_trail_blazer@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Peter,
> >
> > If you feel that my experience, strength, and hope,
> > along with my deep and intimate living relationship
> > with the Truth, is of a violent nature, then so be it.
> > Though it's very clear to me that your observations
> > are not only totally incorrect, but are a ploy that's
> > often used by the weak to undermind the strong or
> > those growing in strength.
> >
> > And once again I suspect you are Dano who posts regularly
> > on Kinfonet, and that your particular m. o., as is the
> > case too with some posters there, is to drag all things
> > that are postitive and life-affirming that others post
> > there into the mud. Quite frankly I feel you are a very
> > devious and vicious person, and I would only hope that
> > others would wake up to that fact. People can be extremely
> > violent and disruptive via this means of communication.
> > And this I've too learned the hard way, which is really
> > the only way.
> >
> > I would however surely pray that you change Peter or Dano,
> > yet with that it's really out of my hands. Many people
> > unfortunately are totally incapable of change, were they
> > to live even 10 lifetimes. As quite simply their early
> > childhood conditioning was too destructive and corrosive,
> > leaving them with emotional scars so deep and disfigured
> > that there can be no true healing of them whatsoever.
> >
> > Yours truly,
> >
> > Bob M.
> >
> > "The Truth can be a most devastating thing." (J. Krishnamurti)
> > _______________________________________________________

"The greatest terror a child can have is that he
is not loved, and rejection is the hell he fears.
I think everyone in the world to a large or small
extent has felt rejection. And with rejection comes
anger, and with anger some kind of crime in revenge
for the rejection, and with the crime guilt--and
there is the story of mankind." [John Steinbeck]

Bob M.

"Most of us are no longer really human, we
have been deprived of our humanity. We have been
dehumanized by the processes of conditioning,
upbringing , and socialization. We are no longer
the organized authentic self which we were once
capable of being.....What we are born for is to
live as if to live and love were one. Unless we
learn that lesson "the goose is cooked" as
it were." [Ashley Montagu]

Bob M.

Following is a copy of a letter I e-mailed this
morning to Oprah Winfrey via a portion of her
website that is promoting Eckhart Tolle's books
and 'teachings':

Dear Oprah,

Over the years I've often wondered to myself just
how much real good you could do for humanity if
you were to get a good and Godly man in your life,
along with your having a radical change of both
mind and heart. Contrary to what I see now as the
vast majority of your time and efforts serving
merely to perpetuate the wall-to-wall foolishness,
mediocrity, and darkness in our presently fallen,
tired, violent, and love-void world.

And your promoting of the books and the so-called
'teachings' of Eckhart Tolle, I feel very strongly,
is also helping to perpetuate rather than heal this
worldwide spiritual decay and moral bankrupsy. Having
examined at length both Mr. Tolle and his works, I
find him to be but another one of the all-too-many
latter-day intellectually 'spaced out' new-age type
false prophets, who, just beneath all the fancy surface
clammer, is simply but a deeply lost and thereby
essentially little more than a self serving and self
promoting charlatan. And most certainly he is not, by
any means, a genuinely Godly man who is  in the possession
of wisdom, love, and a true and proper sense of rightful
direction for mankind.

Nevertheless, I remain wishing, hoping, and watching
for the Lord's very best to truly spring forth and
shine from you someday, Oprah. I do think at the core
you are good stuff, so to speak, though unfortunately
not yet all that Godly. Nor will you ever really be so
until you're under the reigns of a man who's in possession
of full and authentically Divine manhood.

Best wishes,

Bob Michael

"The Kingdom of God can never be fulfilled
in time and space. Every Utopianism is doomed
to metaphysical disappointment. However
changeable human nature may be, it is not
amenable to fundamental moral correction.
Improvement in education and environment may
serve to raise the general ethical level of
people and to polish its original crudeness,
but such improvements do not affect the
freedom to do good and evil as long as man
is man. Mankind does not become better; good
and evil are merely raised to a higher plane."
[Paul Tillich - 'On The Boundary']

Bob M.
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--- In Soar_Like_An_Eagle_2@yahoogroups.com, "Bob M."
<new_trail_blazer@...> wrote:
>
> I dream'd in a dream I saw a city invincible to the attacks of the
> rest of the earth.
> I dreamed that was the new city of Friends,
> Nothing was greater there than the quality of robust Love, it led
the
> rest,
> It was seen every hour in the actions of the Men of that city,
> And in all their looks and words.
>
> Walt Whitman
>
> Earth needs a place where men can live away from all national
> rivalries, social conventions, self-contradictory moralities and
> contending religions; a place where human beings, freed from all
> slavery of the past, can devote themselves wholly to the discovery
and
> practice of the Divine Consciousness that is seeking to manifest
> itself.
>
> The Mother (Of Auroville, India)
>
> Bob M.
>

"A politician who does not admit the truth
about man (in Luther's phrase, "what there
is in man," cannot be successful."
[Paul Tillich - 'On The Boundary']

Bob M.
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--- In Soar_Like_An_Eagle_2@yahoogroups.com, "Bob M."
<new_trail_blazer@...> wrote:
>
> "Spiritually and culturally, the twentieth century
> had always appeared most bleak to Hermann Hesse. Our
> era was for him one of moral depravity and intellectual
> mediocrity, of surface glitter, smug comfort, sham
> conventionality, and foolish optimism. It is a
> materialistic age where science has become a religion
> and the final criterion of value is function. Man has
> lost his soul in this world of money, machines, and
> distrust. He has exchanged his spiritual peace for
> physical comfort. With his imagination stunted and
> his feelings stifled, he no longer appreciates beauty,
> nor is he capable of real artistic creation. All vital
> rapport with God and nature has been lost, reason has
> supplanted faith, and society has forgotten the
> ndividual. The middle-class core of our civilization
> never ceased to be the butt of Hesse's ire. The bourgeous
> represents all that is negative. A stalwart and stodgy
> nonentity, he is governed in all his ideals and pursuits
> solely by the impulse of self-preservation. He fears
> individuation and deliberately sacrfices the precarious
> but precious intensities of life for comfort and security.
> He is the characterless Philistine who epitomizes
> mediocrity, cowardice, compromise, irresponsibility, and
> servility. He is the strapping, insensitive physical
> specimen who enjoys health and wealth but lacks all
> culture. He has a sound appetite but no taste, a good
> deal of confidence but no ideals. He possesses a surfeit
> of zeal and diligence but has no lofty aspirations or
> worthy goals. It is to him that the world belongs, while
> the sensitive worshipers of beauty and the earnest seekers
> after truth and the meaning of life are misfits and
> outcasts. Hesse and all his heros belong to these
> outsiders. Testy Harry Haller brooding at the edges of
> the bourgeous world and scoffing at its idols is no
> exception."
>
> [From the introduction to Hesse's 'Steppenwolf' by Joseph Mileck]
>
> Bob M.
>

Oh how the darkness hateth the Light in
these last days.

But: "BLESSED are ye, when men shall hate
you, and when they shall separate you from
their company, and shall reproach you, and
cast out your name as evil, for the Son of
man's sake."

Bob M.

I would venture to say that in these last days
especially, due to the fall and the depths of
its accompanying moral and spiritual degeneracy
and decay of the human species, the darkness hasn't
the slightest clue that it is the darkness, since
the darkness is really the norm, the standard,
everywhere.

Bob M.
____________________________________________________

--- In Soar_Like_An_Eagle_2@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Michael"
<new_trail_blazer@...> wrote:
>
> Oh how the darkness hateth the Light in
> these last days.
>
> But: "BLESSED are ye, when men shall hate
> you, and when they shall separate you from
> their company, and shall reproach you, and
> cast out your name as evil, for the Son of
> man's sake."
>
> Bob M.
>

"Unless a man be born again..." - this was the
keynote of Gurdjieff's science, his works, his
effort, his example. For this reason he had no
patience with the man who merely "philosophizes";
his interest was in the man who "CAN DO."
[Margaret Anderson - 'The Unknown Gurdjieff']

Bob M.
_________________________________________________

--- In Soar_Like_An_Eagle_2@yahoogroups.com, "Bob M."
<new_trail_blazer@...> wrote:
>
> "First of all it is necessary to understand that a
> Christian is not a man who calls himself a Christian
> or whom others call a Christian. A Christian is one
> who lives in accordance with Christ's precepts. Such
> as we are we cannot be Christians. In order to be
> Christians we must be able 'to do.' We cannot do;
> with us everything 'happens.' Christ says: 'Love your
> enemies,' but how can we love our enemies when we
> cannot even love our friends? Sometimes 'it loves'
> and sometimes 'it does not love.' Such as we are we
> cannot even really desire to be Christians because,
> again, sometimes 'it desires' and sometimes 'it
> does not desire.' And one and the same thing cannot
> be desired for long, because suddenly, instead of
> desiring to be a Christian, a man remembers a very
> good but very expensive carpet that he has seen in a
> shop. And instead of wishing to be a Christian he
> begins to think how he can manage to buy this carpet,
> forgetting all about Christianity. Or if somebody
> else does not believe what a wonderful Christian he
> is, he will be ready to eat him alive or to roast
> him on hot coals. In order to be a good Christian
> one must be. To be means to be master of oneself.
> If a man is not his own master he has nothing and
> can have nothing. And he cannot be a Christian. He
> is simply a machine, an automaton. A machine cannot
> be a Christian. Think for yourselves, is it possible
> for a motorcar or a typewriter or a gramophone to be
> Christian? They are simply things which are controlled
> by chance. They are not responsible. They are machines.
> To be a Christian means to be responsible.
> Responsibility comes later when a man even partially
> ceases to be a machine, and begins in fact, and not
> only inwords, to desire to be a Christian."
>
> G. I. Gurdjieff
>
> http://www.bardic-press.com/thomas/fourthway.htm
>
> Bob M.
>

"The whole foundation of man's essence has
become the psychic properties of cunning,
envy, hypocrisy, contempt, slyness, ambition,
and double-facedness." {Gurdjieff]

Bob M.
_______________________________________________

--- In Soar_Like_An_Eagle_2@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Michael"
<new_trail_blazer@...> wrote:
>
> I would venture to say that in these last days
> especially, due to the fall and the depths of
> its accompanying moral and spiritual degeneracy
> and decay of the human species, the darkness hasn't
> the slightest clue that it is the darkness, since
> the darkness is really the norm, the standard,
> everywhere.
>
> Bob M.

Calvin had often condemned the world for its
"disorder;" conversely he indentified the
restoration of order with the sovereignty of
God. "No order can be said to prevail in the
world," he declared, "until God erects his
throne and rules among men."

Bob M.
__________________________________________________


--- In Soar_Like_An_Eagle_2@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Michael"
<new_trail_blazer@...> wrote:
>
> "The whole foundation of man's essence has
> become the psychic properties of cunning,
> envy, hypocrisy, contempt, slyness, ambition,
> and double-facedness." {Gurdjieff]
>
> Bob M.
> _______________________________________________
>
> --- In Soar_Like_An_Eagle_2@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Michael"
> <new_trail_blazer@> wrote:
> >
> > I would venture to say that in these last days
> > especially, due to the fall and the depths of
> > its accompanying moral and spiritual degeneracy
> > and decay of the human species, the darkness hasn't
> > the slightest clue that it is the darkness, since
> > the darkness is really the norm, the standard,
> > everywhere.
> >
> > Bob M.
>

My only concern is how best to find, gather
together, and then salvage and help resurrect
to fullness and completeness of human being
those few, rare individuals from here, there,
and everywhere, who, by the grace of God or
the hand of joyful fate have been endowed with
a finely-formed and thereby sensitive brain
and sensory system; and then continue on to
develop a body of genuinely enlightened or fully
awakened people, who will then go on to make
manifest and propagate the finished and perfected
human species here on earth after the necessary
grand nuclear cleansing of the huge multitude of
the irreparably neuro-biologically faulty victims
of the evolutionary process takes place.

Bob M.
____________________________________________________

--- In Soar_Like_An_Eagle_2@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Michael"
<new_trail_blazer@...> wrote:
>
> "The Kingdom of God can never be fulfilled
> in time and space. Every Utopianism is doomed
> to metaphysical disappointment. However
> changeable human nature may be, it is not
> amenable to fundamental moral correction.
> Improvement in education and environment may
> serve to raise the general ethical level of
> people and to polish its original crudeness,
> but such improvements do not affect the
> freedom to do good and evil as long as man
> is man. Mankind does not become better; good
> and evil are merely raised to a higher plane."
> [Paul Tillich - 'On The Boundary']
>
> Bob M.

"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs,
neither cast ye your pearls before swine,
lest they trample them under their feet,
and turn again and rend you." [Matt 7:6]

"Here Jesus speaks of the necessity for guarding
the ideas of esotericism and not giving them
forth indiscriminately, for there are people to
whom these ideas in their essence are inaccessible,
who, in so far as they can grasp them, will
distort them, make wrong use of them and turn
against those who are trying to give them
these ideas."

[Ouspensky - 'A New Model of The Universe']

Bob M.