I spend time on the Internet scoping "the scene" & seeing what opportunities
g0ys might leverage. Recently, I discovered FREE (sure, right) video chat & the
gay thing. Personally, I wouldn't spend a cent in those places .. but scoping
the free trial aspect made me realize just what an incredible island of sanity
the g0ys movement is. As you may or may not know: Gay cam chat is a forum where
people scope guys with cameras & after open forum live conversation, -paying
members can go "private" with the guy hosting the room. It's phone-sex entering
the 21st century.
Let me share my feelings on the events: On my screen was a handsome guy -early
20's. Below his live cam feed was the rolling chat. The self-serving filth that
rolled continuously up the box was mortifying. "Finger this. Fuck that. Show me
your ***.", etc. Most of the guys who host are from foreign countries & no
doubt do it because money is so hard to get there. And something inside me just
felt crushed emotionally -watching it - because it's the same trash talk the
floods the scene in general. On guy from Russia who called himself "Model4u***"
was stunningly beautiful beyond words. And the guy had a smile to die for. On
top of that, there was music plaing in the background & he could sing --I mean
RAW talent. And this guy - this angel with a dirty face was reduced to doing
the JO on cam for people whose manner of language was so crude that it turned my
stomach. And all I wanted to do was reach through that camera & hug the guy &
kiss his face off & let him know that there are guys who genuinely love guys &
don't see each other as meat or the next cheap phuck. The river of filth that
passes under the "bridge of gay tolerance" is at odds with civil humanity
itself. The entire "top/bottom" paradigm is tolerated manslaughter & the LIE is
so gigantic & repeated so often that guys who don't understand the nature of
evil are duped by it & become jaded by it. There are people out there who have
no other goal than to HURT other men in the name of "having a good time". The
gay-male scene is a continuous river of arse-phucking flotsam that sets guys up
to be incapacitated & abused & injured & killed. And I think in 2010 the goal
of g0ys should be to turn up the volume -both to expose the malice of the
thingus called "gAy", -& show the hope & compassion within a philosophy called
g0y - set apart with a wall of iron rods that spell out "LOVE WORKS NO ILL"!
I looked at that face on my screen from around the world & let him know in a
single sentence that there are guys who love him & don't want to make him a
bitch! We're called g0ys -spelled w. a zer0. G00GLE us! But the harsh reality
is that his is just one face in an ocean of faces on guys who are so young &
naive that the folly of fagdom is killing them virtually unimpeded. It's like
watching the literal evil of the lyrics of that 80's song "Hell's Bells"
-realized. I'm quite certain that Lucifer did indeed writer the lyrics to that
song & I must wonder how many people seek to counter the giant toll against
humanity. As a Kinsey-6, I have no children. However, if I did ... I would
want my son/s to NEVER experience the confusion of sexuality that I was
subjected to -and of all the people in my kid's lives ... I'd want there to be
g0ys ... because such love might go as far as laying down it's life to keep my
kid/s alive!
And for the religious LIARS who call themselves "Father", "Pastor", "Reverend",
or "Rabbi", Etc. --who lie to our kids & tell them that God has an issue with
mere sexual-orientation; --I hope that upon the resurrection -you are relocated
to the SUN.
Let's make 2010 loudly g0y! "Make a g0yful noise unto the ...."
Thank you for sharing yoiur excellent observations:
Homosexuals, which I am, are sexually attracted to, indeed aroused by, their
own gender.
I agree with your definition that the homosexual classification includes, gAys
which I am not, and g0ys of which I am very much so.
Hugz, "randy" Randy
--- On Fri, 1/1/10, Teen_G0Y_guys@yahoogroups.com
<Teen_G0Y_guys@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
From: Teen_G0Y_guys@yahoogroups.com <Teen_G0Y_guys@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Teen_G0Y_guys] File - SimpleDefs.htm
To: Teen_G0Y_guys@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 8:12 AM
feminine (or 'soft' personality)
Refers to a personality trait, not necessarily behavior. Many men, who might
indeed not even be 'gay' (homosexual) , may exhibit personality traits perceived
to be 'soft'. Artistic or musical individuals might fall in this category, but
it is not exclusively restricted to such individuals.effeminate (campy behavior)
Refers to behavior, not personality. Many gAys, but not all, exhibit effeminate
behavior, either in speech or mannerisms. Refers to deliberately over-presenting
oneself in a campy manner. This behavior can be put on as an act, or it can
become so ingrained in a person's presentation of oneself that is it often
mistaken for and defended as 'personality' . People may be born 'soft' or
'feminine' but they are not born effeminate. Effeminate behavior is often
reinforced by peer example and pressure - hanging with a certain crowd. Indeed,
some individuals might mistake their own soft/feminine personalities as
synonymous with the effeminate behavior of their peer role models, but it is not
synonymous. Falling into this trap only exaggerates their natural personality
into an offensive and phony 'act'.
The reverse counterpart to effeminate behavior is the equally false
hyper-masculine displays of behavior. It's not a natural personality trait, but
an act.gAy (with a capital A)
Refers to the pro-anal perspective, or refers to those that subscribe to a
pro-anal perspective.
Refers also to those men who might subscribe to other behaviors, fetishes and
viewpoints g0ys find contrary to our beliefs.
Refers also to the gAy lifestyle, which is different from and not synonymous
with the gay community, but is indeed a faction of and is often accepted and
defended by the gay community as a whole; even when the behaviors of the 'gAy'
factions might be offensive, and even damaging, to the community as a whole.
gay (with a small a)
Refers to gays as in the larger demographic; those men that might indeed be
homosexual, but don't necessarily subscribe to pro-anal or other aspects as
described by "gAy". The difference between gAy and gay defines very clearly the
differences, and reinforces the truth that g0ys are not homo-phobic, bigoted or
hateful against the gay community - only behaviors often associated with the
factions seemingly devoted to degrading, decadent, dangerous and damaging
behaviors.
g0y
Refers to a philosophy for living as presented at www.g0ys.org
Refers to the men that adhere to such philosophy. G0Ys 'take the A, for anal -
out of gAy' = g0y. Plural = g0ys.
Refers to and defines a specific manner of presenting oneself and behaviors
engaged in as a characteristic of following the philosophy. Love works no ILL.
homosexual
Refers to the sexual orientation of an individual. One that is attracted to ones
own gender. Homosexual is not synonymous with gAy or gay. A person that is
homosexual can be either gAy, gay or g0y. However, a gAy or gay individual
cannot be g0y. Orientation and behavior are not synonymous.
hyper-masculinity
see 'effeminate (campy behavior)
masculine
Refers to a specific natural personality trait, most often associated with the
male gender. Can be the opposite of feminine, but does not degrade the
'feminine' personality type. Refers more specifically to the opposite of
effeminate behavior or the true presentation vs 'hyper-masculinity' . [see
effeminate (campy behavior)]. Masculinity is a personality trait. It is not an
'act' or behavior effected for the purpose of appearing to be other than what
one really is, or to appear more desirable or acceptable to those that may hold
prejudices toward other behaviors in the gay community, or the gAy lifestyle.
straight-acting
Refers to behavior effected for the purpose of appearing to be other than what
one really is, or to appear more desirable or acceptable to those that may hold
prejudices toward other behaviors in the gay community, or the gAy lifestyle.
Straight-acting is really a misnomer - as heterosexual and bi-sexual men can
have 'soft' personality types, and may be wrongly perceived as homosexual. This
would cloud the premise that straight-acting in which 'straight' is often
associated with a trait of heterosexual men and naturally equals 'masculinity' .
Refers to a personality trait, not necessarily behavior. Many men,
who might indeed not even be 'gay' (homosexual), may exhibit
personality traits perceived to be 'soft'. Artistic or musical
individuals might fall in this category, but it is not exclusively
restricted to such individuals.
effeminate (campy behavior)
Refers to behavior, not personality. Many gAys, but not all,
exhibit effeminate behavior, either in speech or mannerisms. Refers
to deliberately over-presenting oneself in a campy manner. This
behavior can be put on as an act, or it can become so ingrained in a
person's presentation of oneself that is it often mistaken for and
defended as 'personality'. People may be born 'soft' or 'feminine'
but they are not born effeminate. Effeminate behavior is often
reinforced by peer example and pressure - hanging with a certain
crowd. Indeed, some individuals might mistake their own
soft/feminine personalities as synonymous with the effeminate
behavior of their peer role models, but it is not synonymous.
Falling into this trap only exaggerates their natural personality
into an offensive and phony 'act'.
The reverse counterpart to effeminate behavior is the equally
false hyper-masculine displays of behavior. It's not a natural
personality trait, but an act.
gAy (with a capital A)
Refers to the pro-anal perspective, or refers to those that
subscribe to a pro-anal perspective.
Refers also to those men who might subscribe to other behaviors,
fetishes and viewpoints g0ys find contrary to our beliefs.
Refers also to the gAy lifestyle, which is different from and not
synonymous with the gay community, but is indeed a faction of and is
often accepted and defended by the gay community as a whole; even
when the behaviors of the 'gAy' factions might be offensive, and
even damaging, to the community as a whole.
gay (with a small a)
Refers to gays as in the larger demographic; those men that might
indeed be homosexual, but don't necessarily subscribe to pro-anal or
other aspects as described by "gAy". The difference
between gAy and gay defines very clearly the differences, and
reinforces the truth that g0ys are not homo-phobic, bigoted or
hateful against the gay community - only behaviors often associated
with the factions seemingly devoted to degrading, decadent,
dangerous and damaging behaviors.
g0y
Refers to a philosophy for living as presented at www.g0ys.org
Refers to the men that adhere to such philosophy. G0Ys 'take the
A, for anal - out of gAy' = g0y. Plural = g0ys.
Refers to and defines a specific manner of presenting oneself and
behaviors engaged in as a characteristic of following the
philosophy. Love works no ILL.
homosexual
Refers to the sexual orientation of an individual. One that is
attracted to ones own gender. Homosexual is not synonymous with gAy
or gay. A person that is homosexual can be either gAy, gay or g0y.
However, a gAy or gay individual cannot be g0y. Orientation and
behavior are not synonymous.
hyper-masculinity
see 'effeminate (campy behavior)
masculine
Refers to a specific natural personality trait, most often
associated with the male gender. Can be the opposite of feminine,
but does not degrade the 'feminine' personality type. Refers more
specifically to the opposite of effeminate behavior or the true
presentation vs 'hyper-masculinity'. [see effeminate (campy
behavior)]. Masculinity is a personality trait. It is not an 'act'
or behavior effected for the purpose of appearing to be other than
what one really is, or to appear more desirable or acceptable to
those that may hold prejudices toward other behaviors in the gay
community, or the gAy lifestyle.
straight-acting
Refers to behavior effected for the purpose of appearing to be
other than what one really is, or to appear more desirable or
acceptable to those that may hold prejudices toward other behaviors
in the gay community, or the gAy lifestyle.
Straight-acting is really a misnomer - as heterosexual and
bi-sexual men can have 'soft' personality types, and may be wrongly
perceived as homosexual. This would cloud the premise that
straight-acting in which 'straight' is often associated with a trait
of heterosexual men and naturally equals 'masculinity'.
Hook'n Up to Help
G0YS, etc! Why/How:
Supporting G0YS?
[If we have changed your life, SERIOUSLY consider helping us grow!
We Need GENUINE Supporters!]
Welcome, but please spare us any unbacked lip-service:
We get e-mail all the time from guys who claim we've changed their lives. That's great! However, if g0ys.org has really affected your life on a positive note, then you'll take steps to change the world around you so that more guys will discover g0ys. The MINIMUM we ask of ALL g0ys is that you build a personal ad somewhere & point everyone who visits it - to g0ys.org; - That's the #1 way to help
& everyone can do it (So
why doesn't everyone?)!
And you might just hook-up!
The next step is to help us
by obtaining (& distributing) g0ys promo items, etc on a regular basis. Please consider making us a
REGULAR line item in your budget. It could be as simple
as regularly restocking your efforts with the promo
items showcased at the bottom of this page! And before anyone
writes to us telling how they "can't afford it"; --Do you know how
absolutely LAME it sounds to hear that somebody lives their life so close to
financial ruin (bankruptcy) that they cannot budget $1 or 2 dollars per day
($28-$62)/month to help a cause that has changed their lives (& trying
to change other's lives against a backdrop of hostile politics, religion
& leftist propaganda)! If money being tight really is an issue;
--would you help out if somebody showed you a way to get ahead financially
by doing so? It has long been common knowledge that taxpayers in the US
(& some other places) can realize larger refunds by simply starting a part-timehome-based business. Simply getting G0Y-positive materials, clothing,
etc. & reselling on eBay, KiKiJi, CraigsList while keeping the inventory
in your residence allows you to write off the cost of the inventory, &
percentages of your internet bill, electricity, rent/mortgage, insurances,
etc. -- all as business related expenses! While I can't give advice on
any of the specific steps for your situation, --it is common knowledge that
being frugal in this way might put a lot more green back into your hands
& there are ways to get it without waiting for the year-end. Even
if you don't make money for trying, -you still get any allowed deductions! For
those taxpayers who are truly motivated to help out & make it a frugal
little venture that can legally cut taxes substantially, check out: THIS
SET OF LINKS, & THIS
ONE.
For many of you, this is simple and will cost nothing if you slash what you're spending on good/services that
are vices or could be enjoyed for less money via other means. Do you
drink bottled water ('Evian' spelled backwards is 'Naive'...ahem);
--Consider getting a water filter (eBay) & make your own for under a
nickel a gallon! Use Tobacco? Ahem. Do you visit bars on the weekends?
Be a designated-driver every other & help your buds while you $ave!
And what you $ave, -use to assist g0ys.org! It's
important!
For many of you,
helping would be easy if you slash what you're already giving to abusive
religion. Yeah, I'm asking you to think about the more important matters & then
(if deserved) cut
your religious institution
out financially & divert a portion of your giving to g0ys -via the one of the several support methods mentioned at g0ys.org under the Support G0YS Link (If this sounds like a hard thing to do, then I need to ask you if you've seen the aftermath of somebody killed because of their sexual orientation; - or perhaps a suicide because a person was in such inner
turmoil. Such things are often the results of religious organizations preaching a message that says "God Hates Fags" (or a similar message in less confrontational terms).
If your religion preached that "God hates Negroes', would you keep financing it?
What if it said that "God has chosen the white race as His"; --Would you still support it (despite the apparent 'lack' of a 'hate Negroes' theme)?
Does "polite" packaging of a deadly lie make the message the lie tells acceptable?
How about "Love the sinner, hate the sin."? When used in reference to those who experience same gender attractions, -it paints them as inherently sinful (when they're
N0T)!
If it was your son, daughter, niece or nephew who you discovered hanging from a rope or prone on the floor with their brains on the ceiling because they took the message of "Presbyter Poisontongue" to heart & turned his admonitions into
action; --Is that what it would take to shake you awake from the daze of lax, wicked, lukewarm religion?
Do you know that aiding somebody preaching a deadly lie is called complicity
(also cowardice) & according to the Scripture - those who are liars
& the morally soft will not inherit the Kingdom of God! Are you financing
a stay in hell by supporting "Elder Everhate" via the offering plate?
In the Book of Revelation, God sends a message to a church & tells them that because they are lukewarm in their faith toward Him, that he's about to spit them out of his mouth. I feel the same way about those who claim to support g0ys.org but fail to take some sort of position & act on what they've learned from the g0ys.
Diverting the finances away from abusive religion to use in a
positive manner is a very effective step.
Perhaps you're not affiliated with any religion. Maybe religion has abused you & beaten you up & pissed you off. Consider helping g0ys.org then, because we're well rounded, - & we know how to use religious texts like the Scriptures to make the abusers in the Religious Reich look like the idiots & hypocrites that they are! Support us as we brutalize
them with their own writings.
Maybe the "GAY MALE" community has disgusted you beyond words. They don't like g0ys.org - because of our hard-line, anti-anal stance & our support of pure masculine respect. We don't apologize to Dame-Edna or "Queer anything". G0YS are reclaiming M2M respect from the loud bunch of pseudo-men who want to call all masculine intimacy "GAY" & then dip it all into the sewage of a decadent reputation. While they pound-arses & exclaim it to be "M2M"; -We loudly disagree & tell them to go pound sand!
It is immoral to be "tolerant" when the things tolerated promote
the mindless maiming & killing of men via disease & physical
injury. If you love intimate Masculinity, -then please consider supporting g0ys,
-because we're virtually the only M2M group drawing a line esteeming a deep
respect for masculinity as innate to male morality. Love works no
ill!
So, let me be clear: If we've positively impacted your life, then please prove it by your support (Otherwise, consider unsubscribing from all g0y forums). This isn't a place for those who want to
apathetically sit on their arses while the world dies in ignorance; -And this certainly isn't a place where I want people who support "Mother Murderous" & "Priest Pooferpetter" to feel at ease. See, I've had 1-too-many friends stick a gun in his mouth because he "couldn't make the buddy-luv'n feelings stop". His religion murdered him slowly over a space of several years, & talked him into pulling the trigger himself. If you support that foolishness in any way, shape or form - then you are not a friend of g0ys anywhere. Some
moral positions really don't matter. But, that of the G0Y'S - DOES!
For
example, obtaining any of the G0Y promo items (I.E: Below) will help us in several ways.
The
Margin$ are liberal & the price is part contribution as well. We
need this!
As
you distribute them discretely, the number of g0ys everywhere will
grow!
Growth
becomes more support & hence, more growth! It becomes
exponential!
What Excuse/s would a member of this group possibly have for not needing at
least (1) of these? They make awesome gifts, too & rumor has it that Vey
designed the artwork, himself!
http://zazzle.com/infinitys_blade_2010_ad_calendar-158538552408350136
PS> Pay no attention to rumors of subliminal messages in those images...
Hook'n Up to Help
G0YS, etc! Why/How:
Supporting G0YS?
[If we have changed your life, SERIOUSLY consider helping us grow!
We Need GENUINE Supporters!]
Welcome, but please spare us any unbacked lip-service:
We get e-mail all the time from guys who claim we've changed their lives. That's great! However, if g0ys.org has really affected your life on a positive note, then you'll take steps to change the world around you so that more guys will discover g0ys. The MINIMUM we ask of ALL g0ys is that you build a personal ad somewhere & point everyone who visits it - to g0ys.org; - That's the #1 way to help
& everyone can do it (So
why doesn't everyone?)!
And you might just hook-up!
The next step is to help us
by obtaining (& distributing) g0ys promo items, etc on a regular basis. Please consider making us a
REGULAR line item in your budget. It could be as simple
as regularly restocking your efforts with the promo
items showcased at the bottom of this page! And before anyone
writes to us telling how they "can't afford it"; --Do you know how
absolutely LAME it sounds to hear that somebody lives their life so close to
financial ruin (bankruptcy) that they cannot budget $1 or 2 dollars per day
($28-$62)/month to help a cause that has changed their lives (& trying
to change other's lives against a backdrop of hostile politics, religion
& leftist propaganda)! If money being tight really is an issue;
--would you help out if somebody showed you a way to get ahead financially
by doing so? It has long been common knowledge that taxpayers in the US
(& some other places) can realize larger refunds by simply starting a part-timehome-based business. Simply getting G0Y-positive materials, clothing,
etc. & reselling on eBay, KiKiJi, CraigsList while keeping the inventory
in your residence allows you to write off the cost of the inventory, &
percentages of your internet bill, electricity, rent/mortgage, insurances,
etc. -- all as business related expenses! While I can't give advice on
any of the specific steps for your situation, --it is common knowledge that
being frugal in this way might put a lot more green back into your hands
& there are ways to get it without waiting for the year-end. Even
if you don't make money for trying, -you still get any allowed deductions! For
those taxpayers who are truly motivated to help out & make it a frugal
little venture that can legally cut taxes substantially, check out: THIS
SET OF LINKS, & THIS
ONE.
For many of you, this is simple and will cost nothing if you slash what you're spending on good/services that
are vices or could be enjoyed for less money via other means. Do you
drink bottled water ('Evian' spelled backwards is 'Naive'...ahem);
--Consider getting a water filter (eBay) & make your own for under a
nickel a gallon! Use Tobacco? Ahem. Do you visit bars on the weekends?
Be a designated-driver every other & help your buds while you $ave!
And what you $ave, -use to assist g0ys.org! It's
important!
For many of you,
helping would be easy if you slash what you're already giving to abusive
religion. Yeah, I'm asking you to think about the more important matters & then
(if deserved) cut
your religious institution
out financially & divert a portion of your giving to g0ys -via the one of the several support methods mentioned at g0ys.org under the Support G0YS Link (If this sounds like a hard thing to do, then I need to ask you if you've seen the aftermath of somebody killed because of their sexual orientation; - or perhaps a suicide because a person was in such inner
turmoil. Such things are often the results of religious organizations preaching a message that says "God Hates Fags" (or a similar message in less confrontational terms).
If your religion preached that "God hates Negroes', would you keep financing it?
What if it said that "God has chosen the white race as His"; --Would you still support it (despite the apparent 'lack' of a 'hate Negroes' theme)?
Does "polite" packaging of a deadly lie make the message the lie tells acceptable?
How about "Love the sinner, hate the sin."? When used in reference to those who experience same gender attractions, -it paints them as inherently sinful (when they're
N0T)!
If it was your son, daughter, niece or nephew who you discovered hanging from a rope or prone on the floor with their brains on the ceiling because they took the message of "Presbyter Poisontongue" to heart & turned his admonitions into
action; --Is that what it would take to shake you awake from the daze of lax, wicked, lukewarm religion?
Do you know that aiding somebody preaching a deadly lie is called complicity
(also cowardice) & according to the Scripture - those who are liars
& the morally soft will not inherit the Kingdom of God! Are you financing
a stay in hell by supporting "Elder Everhate" via the offering plate?
In the Book of Revelation, God sends a message to a church & tells them that because they are lukewarm in their faith toward Him, that he's about to spit them out of his mouth. I feel the same way about those who claim to support g0ys.org but fail to take some sort of position & act on what they've learned from the g0ys.
Diverting the finances away from abusive religion to use in a
positive manner is a very effective step.
Perhaps you're not affiliated with any religion. Maybe religion has abused you & beaten you up & pissed you off. Consider helping g0ys.org then, because we're well rounded, - & we know how to use religious texts like the Scriptures to make the abusers in the Religious Reich look like the idiots & hypocrites that they are! Support us as we brutalize
them with their own writings.
Maybe the "GAY MALE" community has disgusted you beyond words. They don't like g0ys.org - because of our hard-line, anti-anal stance & our support of pure masculine respect. We don't apologize to Dame-Edna or "Queer anything". G0YS are reclaiming M2M respect from the loud bunch of pseudo-men who want to call all masculine intimacy "GAY" & then dip it all into the sewage of a decadent reputation. While they pound-arses & exclaim it to be "M2M"; -We loudly disagree & tell them to go pound sand!
It is immoral to be "tolerant" when the things tolerated promote
the mindless maiming & killing of men via disease & physical
injury. If you love intimate Masculinity, -then please consider supporting g0ys,
-because we're virtually the only M2M group drawing a line esteeming a deep
respect for masculinity as innate to male morality. Love works no
ill!
So, let me be clear: If we've positively impacted your life, then please prove it by your support (Otherwise, consider unsubscribing from all g0y forums). This isn't a place for those who want to
apathetically sit on their arses while the world dies in ignorance; -And this certainly isn't a place where I want people who support "Mother Murderous" & "Priest Pooferpetter" to feel at ease. See, I've had 1-too-many friends stick a gun in his mouth because he "couldn't make the buddy-luv'n feelings stop". His religion murdered him slowly over a space of several years, & talked him into pulling the trigger himself. If you support that foolishness in any way, shape or form - then you are not a friend of g0ys anywhere. Some
moral positions really don't matter. But, that of the G0Y'S - DOES!
For
example, obtaining any of the G0Y promo items (I.E: Below) will help us in several ways.
The
Margin$ are liberal & the price is part contribution as well. We
need this!
As
you distribute them discretely, the number of g0ys everywhere will
grow!
Growth
becomes more support & hence, more growth! It becomes
exponential!
From: Rock <xmanofstone@...> To: Teen_G0Y_guys@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, December 8, 2009 2:52:52 AM Subject: Do no an@l
This is actually more so the quote and the focus of g0ys. Love doesn't harm. An@l harms so much so that it spreads disease 5000% more than all other sexual acts combined. Therefore, do no an@l.
Romans 13:9-11 (New International Version)
9The commandments, "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal," "Do not covet,"[a] and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself."[b]10Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Refers to a personality trait, not necessarily behavior. Many men,
who might indeed not even be 'gay' (homosexual), may exhibit
personality traits perceived to be 'soft'. Artistic or musical
individuals might fall in this category, but it is not exclusively
restricted to such individuals.
effeminate (campy behavior)
Refers to behavior, not personality. Many gAys, but not all,
exhibit effeminate behavior, either in speech or mannerisms. Refers
to deliberately over-presenting oneself in a campy manner. This
behavior can be put on as an act, or it can become so ingrained in a
person's presentation of oneself that is it often mistaken for and
defended as 'personality'. People may be born 'soft' or 'feminine'
but they are not born effeminate. Effeminate behavior is often
reinforced by peer example and pressure - hanging with a certain
crowd. Indeed, some individuals might mistake their own
soft/feminine personalities as synonymous with the effeminate
behavior of their peer role models, but it is not synonymous.
Falling into this trap only exaggerates their natural personality
into an offensive and phony 'act'.
The reverse counterpart to effeminate behavior is the equally
false hyper-masculine displays of behavior. It's not a natural
personality trait, but an act.
gAy (with a capital A)
Refers to the pro-anal perspective, or refers to those that
subscribe to a pro-anal perspective.
Refers also to those men who might subscribe to other behaviors,
fetishes and viewpoints g0ys find contrary to our beliefs.
Refers also to the gAy lifestyle, which is different from and not
synonymous with the gay community, but is indeed a faction of and is
often accepted and defended by the gay community as a whole; even
when the behaviors of the 'gAy' factions might be offensive, and
even damaging, to the community as a whole.
gay (with a small a)
Refers to gays as in the larger demographic; those men that might
indeed be homosexual, but don't necessarily subscribe to pro-anal or
other aspects as described by "gAy". The difference
between gAy and gay defines very clearly the differences, and
reinforces the truth that g0ys are not homo-phobic, bigoted or
hateful against the gay community - only behaviors often associated
with the factions seemingly devoted to degrading, decadent,
dangerous and damaging behaviors.
g0y
Refers to a philosophy for living as presented at www.g0ys.org
Refers to the men that adhere to such philosophy. G0Ys 'take the
A, for anal - out of gAy' = g0y. Plural = g0ys.
Refers to and defines a specific manner of presenting oneself and
behaviors engaged in as a characteristic of following the
philosophy. Love works no ILL.
homosexual
Refers to the sexual orientation of an individual. One that is
attracted to ones own gender. Homosexual is not synonymous with gAy
or gay. A person that is homosexual can be either gAy, gay or g0y.
However, a gAy or gay individual cannot be g0y. Orientation and
behavior are not synonymous.
hyper-masculinity
see 'effeminate (campy behavior)
masculine
Refers to a specific natural personality trait, most often
associated with the male gender. Can be the opposite of feminine,
but does not degrade the 'feminine' personality type. Refers more
specifically to the opposite of effeminate behavior or the true
presentation vs 'hyper-masculinity'. [see effeminate (campy
behavior)]. Masculinity is a personality trait. It is not an 'act'
or behavior effected for the purpose of appearing to be other than
what one really is, or to appear more desirable or acceptable to
those that may hold prejudices toward other behaviors in the gay
community, or the gAy lifestyle.
straight-acting
Refers to behavior effected for the purpose of appearing to be
other than what one really is, or to appear more desirable or
acceptable to those that may hold prejudices toward other behaviors
in the gay community, or the gAy lifestyle.
Straight-acting is really a misnomer - as heterosexual and
bi-sexual men can have 'soft' personality types, and may be wrongly
perceived as homosexual. This would cloud the premise that
straight-acting in which 'straight' is often associated with a trait
of heterosexual men and naturally equals 'masculinity'.
Hook'n Up to Help
G0YS, etc! Why/How:
Supporting G0YS?
[If we have changed your life, SERIOUSLY consider helping us grow!
We Need GENUINE Supporters!]
Welcome, but please spare us any unbacked lip-service:
We get e-mail all the time from guys who claim we've changed their lives. That's great! However, if g0ys.org has really affected your life on a positive note, then you'll take steps to change the world around you so that more guys will discover g0ys. The MINIMUM we ask of ALL g0ys is that you build a personal ad somewhere & point everyone who visits it - to g0ys.org; - That's the #1 way to help us.
And you might just hook-up!
The next step is to help us financially. Please consider making us a REGULAR line item in your
giving (for those with the means).
For many of you, this is simple and will cost nothing if you slash what you're spending on good/services that
are vices or could be enjoyed for less money via other means. Do you
drink bottled water ('Evian' spelled backwards is 'Naive'...ahem);
--Consider getting a water filter (eBay) & make your own for under a
nickel a gallon! Use Tobacco? Ahem. Do you visit bars on the weekends?
Be a designated-driver every other & help your buds while you $ave!
And what you $ave, -use to assist g0ys.org! It's
important!
For many of you,
helping would be easy if you slash what you're already giving to abusive
religion. Yeah, I'm asking you to think about the more important matters & then cut
your religious institution
out financially & divert a portion of your giving to g0ys -via the one of the several support methods mentioned at g0ys.org under the Support G0YS Link (If this sounds like a hard thing to do, then I need to ask you if you've seen the aftermath of somebody killed because of their sexual orientation; - or perhaps a suicide because a person was in such inner
turmoil. Such things are often the results of religious organizations preaching a message that says "God Hates Homos" (or the same message in less confrontational terms).
If your religion preached that "God hates Negroes', would you keep financing it?
What if it said that "God has chosen the white race as His"; --Would you still support it (despite the apparent 'lack' of a 'hate Negroes' theme)?
Does "polite" packaging of a deadly lie make the message the lie tells acceptable?
How about "Love the sinner, hate the sin."? When used in reference to those who experience same gender attractions, -it paints them as inherently sinful (when they're
N0T)!
If it was your son, daughter, niece or nephew who you discovered hanging from a rope or prone on the floor with their brains on the ceiling because they took the message of "Presbyter Poisontongue" to heart & turned his admonitions into
action; --Is that what it would take to shake you awake from the daze of lax, wicked, lukewarm religion?
Do you know that aiding somebody preaching a deadly lie is called complicity
(also cowardice) & according to the Scripture - those who are liars
& the morally soft will not inherit the Kingdom of God! Are you financing
a stay in hell by supporting "Elder Everhate" via the offering plate?
In the Book of Revelation, God sends a message to a church & tells them that because they are lukewarm in their faith toward Him, that he's about to spit them out of his mouth. I feel the same way about those who claim to support g0ys.org but fail to take some sort of position & act on what they've learned from the g0ys.
Diverting the finances away from abusive religion is a very positive step.
Perhaps you're not affiliated with any religion. Maybe religion has abused you & beaten you up & pissed you off. Consider helping g0ys.org then, because we're well rounded, - & we know how to use religious texts like the Scriptures to make the abusers in the Religious Reich look like the idiots & hypocrites that they are! Support us as we brutalize
them with their own writings.
Maybe the "GAY MALE" community has disgusted you beyond words. They don't like g0ys.org - because of our hard-line, anti-anal stance & our support of pure masculine respect. We don't apologize to Dame-Edna or "Queer anything". G0YS are reclaiming M2M respect from the loud bunch of pseudo-men who want to call all masculine intimacy "GAY" & then dip it all into the sewage of a decadent reputation. While they pound-arses & exclaim it to be "M2M"; -We loudly disagree & tell them to go pound sand!
It is immoral to be "tolerant" when the things tolerated promote
the mindless maiming & killing of men via disease & physical
injury. If you love intimate Masculinity, -then please consider supporting g0ys,
-because we're virtually the only M2M group drawing a line esteeming a deep
respect for masculinity as innate to male morality. Love works no
ill!
So, let me be clear: If we've positively impacted your life, then please prove it by your support (Otherwise, consider unsubscribing from all g0y forums). This isn't a place for those who want to
apathetically sit on their arses while the world dies in ignorance; -And this certainly isn't a place where I want people who support "Mother Murderous" & "Priest Pooferpetter" to feel at ease. See, I've had 1-too-many friends stick a gun in his mouth because he "couldn't make the buddy-luv'n feelings stop". His religion murdered him slowly over a space of several years, & talked him into pulling the trigger himself. If you support that foolishness in any way, shape or form - then you are not a friend of g0ys anywhere. Some
moral positions really don't matter. But, that of the G0Y'S - DOES!
For
example, purchasing any of the G0Y promo items (I.E: Below) will help us in several ways.
The
Margin$ are liberal & the price is part contribution as well. We
need this!
As
you distribute them discretely, the number of g0ys everywhere will
grow!
Growth
becomes more support & hence, more growth! It becomes
exponential!
I came across this guy on YouTube today named Chris Krueger. I liked his upbeat fitness focus.
He has many videos on his site if you subscribe to his page.
I liked what this guy has to say about getting in shape and why...He says "If you were a fish, life would suck but since your not then it don't" especially if you enjoy life and get fit.
My first g0y buddy and I met when we were teenagers, and he’d moved to the town near our ranch. I learned that Billy and his brother had lost their parents only a few months before their move, and they were living with one of the fifth grade teachers.
Billy was pretty quiet at first, but we became good friends once school started in September. He and I both loved the outdoors, and that was the basis of our friendship. We spent as much time together out on the ranch as school and chores would allow. Whether we were hunting birds or working out in the weight room after school, we totally enjoyed each other’s company. He was the first guy I’d ever felt comfortable with talking about personal stuff.
The friendship and bond between us grew as the school year progressed. My mother referred to us as her “twins”, and was fond of my friend. Our classes finally ended in June , and my
second season of working out on the ranch began. It became all the more satisfying when my father decided to hire Billy as another hand for the outfit.
Working as a team came pretty naturally to the two of us. I’d learned enough from the last summer’s work, that my dad and uncle let us work independently from the rest of the hired hands. So we fixed fence, moved cattle and watering troughs to fresh pastures, weaned calves and performed all the other chores typically required on a ranch. I’d been driving since I was twelve, and was able to drive us wherever we were working in my granddad’s old pickup.
We ended up alone on the ranch one day in the middle of summer. My dad, uncle and the other ranch hands had all gone to the funeral of a rancher in a neighboring county. They had left us enough hay bales outside the barn to keep us busy all day moving and stacking them inside the barn. There
was no breeze that day, and the heat in the barn was almost suffocating. Billy and I worked without t-shirts, and the tops of our jeans and briefs were soon soaked in the sweat that rolled off of us. It seemed crazy at first, but the whole scene began to turn me on. I found it challenging moving the bales around with a boner sticking down one leg of my jeans. Billy evidently noticed my predicament. When we took a break and I passed the canteen of water to him, he suggested we take care of each other. What transpired between us the next two hours was amazing! When we were both totally spent and were lying together in the loose hay, I felt a sense of peace I’d never experienced before.
This was the beginning of a relationship that encompassed two school years and that amazing summer. I can honestly say Billy’s the first person I loved in a romantic way. I was transformed by our friendship,
and I felt strong and confident around him!
The physical side of our relationship seemed completely natural to me, and it never occurred to me to feel any shame or guilt about what we did. It was just another dimension of our friendship and the deep affection we felt for one another. We understood the need for discretion, but that didn’t really slow us down in frequently enjoying private time together.
A cattle ranch is the perfect place for this kind of friendship. There were cattle to be checked on in remote pastures, hay barns to hide out in, and knee high bunchgrass to roll around in when the mood struck us. But I’d have to say our most memorable encounters were in the flannel sleeping bag rolled out in the back of that old pickup. We made love many a time with the galaxy twinkling above us in the pitch black sky. I can still remember the sensation of drifting off to sleep pressed against
him, his heart beating beneath my fingertips.
Billy was gone from my life almost as quickly as he became a part of it. Children’s Services took him out of his foster home, and I never saw him again. The separation was painful and almost surreal. It took a while for it to settle in that he wasn’t coming back, and I was left once again to deal with a father whose anger I could not comprehend, and despair I wasn’t sure I could live with.
It’s tough when a relationship like this ends—like a part of you has been cut away. And while the bleeding eventually stops, the wound never completely heals. When you’re alone, it aches as a reminder of what you’ve lost. But you eventually have no choice but to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and go on with life. And so I did.
I entered high school the fall after Billy left, and became best friends with a guy who was an all-around athlete and
great buddy. It was the friendship of Grant, his girlfriend, and my closest female cousin that got me through high school.
In case you like to learn from other guys who've been where you are and to learn how they've dealt with it...here is one of my favorite guys that I'll name "Man".
MOD ROCK
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I noticed a link to this site in one of Rock's posts to the http://www.g0ys.org group this morning [for area69 http://www.area69.ws . Thought I'd check it out. I'm impressed with the site, and hope that I can make a positive contribution to its success.
Until I found the http://www.g0ys.org web site, I didn't realize there was actually a name for the group of men I have always identified with. I've known since I was a teenager and had my first g0y friendship, that I was attracted to other masculine guys. My second g0y friendship happened with a college buddy, when both of us lived on the football team floor in the dorm. We discovered a
mutual attraction after I'd broken up with a girlfriend, gotten drunk and was looking for consolation. My last g0y friendship before marriage was with a cowboy who had also grown up on a cattle ranch. We went our separate ways when I left for grad school.
A little over three years ago, a blowup with my wife forced me to recognize I'd given up way too much of myself trying to keep her happy. I was faced with the stark reality I no longer had the close male friends a guy needs to keep his equilibrium. And so I began the journey back to where I last knew myself, and the search for something I needed, but had given up. I began drifting around the Internet hoping to find a way to anchor myself again. I was looking for a relationship based upon friendship. I mistakenly believed that gay men could offer me what I'd had with my three buddies prior to marriage.
What I encountered were a lot of bodies that appeared to be men, but I eventually
discovered they were bereft of souls. They would engage you in conversation as long as there wasn't someone more interesting to talk to. But if a "better" deal came along, they would vanish. It was pretty hard to take until I finally realized it had nothing to do with anything I lacked. I eventually recognized none of these men could ever give me the deeper connection that I needed to feel whole again. At the risk of sounding like a gyno-phobe, a lot of these "men" reminded me of women when their hormones are out of whack. Their behavior was hysterical, shrill, and totally irrational.
I believe the gay approach to sexuality is completely disordered. They fall into a repetitive pattern of behavior that is self-destructive. Sexuality that is not based upon affection can never fulfill your emotional needs. It becomes an exclusively physical act. Since those acts cannot satiate the basic human need to feel loved, they become hollow and meaningless.
It's like living pornography.
In the process of having these on-line conversations, I actually did find someone I could identify with. A guy like men who's masculine, compassionate and trustworthy. We've become best friends, and it's really changed my life. We have never taken the next step toward a g0y friendship, and I think that has a lot to do with his strict religious upbringing. But as we've grown closer, I've learned to appreciate how much our companionship provides us that is more important than physical intimacy.
In thinking back on the three g0y relationships I've had in my life, there are qualities that set them apart. We became friends first because we shared interests and values, and enjoyed masculine companionship based upon trust. The chance discovery of taking the friendship to another level often happened within the context of some type of physical activity. We were rugged individuals, but outwardly focused instead of
self-centered. Intimacy wasn't about getting a nut yourself, but more about making each other feel great.
That's probably more than enough of an introduction for now. I'm looking forward to the conversation guys!
Oh, yeah, of course the fact that gAy guys are more likely to be disease infected and abusers is the primary reason not to be boxed into the gAy label. Then you get to sort through only those guys as guys to be intimate with.
Sh1t! [A stench, whose origin in the male is the location used as a female persona potentiator, and potentially a disease laden and deadly body excretion to avoid!]
MOD ROCK
From: chris <croyal76@...> To: Teen_G0Y_guys@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 12:47:29 PM Subject: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Re: New Revelation
hey tony i know what you r dilling with i am just comeing out to and i am 18 if you wont to talk about any thing than just email me at croyal76Yahoo. com i would like to talk to ya
------ MOD ROCK NOTES:
Glad to hear from you Chris. The mistake of seriously 'coming out' is that a guy can limit himself to just a few guys. Plus taking on the gAy label has so much baggage that young guys often don't understand this. That is the very reason this yahoo group was formed. What you guys don't realize is the huge number of guys that are into guys but claim to be 100% straight..you' d never know because you really can't tell with most guys. However, the fear of being associated with gAy is so strong due to the perverse reputation of gAy (as some act associate with women) that some of the very guys you'd like to get close to will not get close to you if you're wearing the gAy label. If you indeed have 'come out' in your high school or close
friends, I hope your realize the mistake made and are able to shake the stigma when you change social groups...say in college or you move to a new city. http://www.g0ys. org friend.
--- In Teen_G0Y_guys@ yahoogroups. com, "TonyD" <finalfantasywarrio r@...> wrote: > > About a few months ago I realized that I am bisexual. Before I realized it, I was struggling to find my sexual orientation. I have not come out to anyone and I probably won't come out to anyone until later in the future when I am ready. > > ------ > > MOD ROCK NOTES: > > I realize gAy has horribly affected our culture with phrases that we forget are gAy. Just remember that "coming out" is really a gAy slogan and nothing to do with g0ys.
G0ys don't come-out but blend-in. Society is merciless to lump us into the gAy box which we want no part of. Remember also that most guys are Bi but that still doesn't make them g0y if there willing to dip their wick in a sewer and call it s3x. The least risk of STDs from least to greatest is FR0T, then 0ral, then vaginal and then an@l. An@l being 50 times more risky than 0ral. > A$$ Backward http://www.slate. com/id/2126643 and http://www.g0ys. org (g zero y s) >
Since I am attracted to adult males, I am homosexualy g0y.
I do NOT identify myself as gAy because of the implication of then being considered a participant in irresponsible sexual behaviour. I amHOMOSEXUALLY orientated. "randy" Randy
--- On Thu, 11/19/09, Hotmail <terryrylee@...> wrote:
From: Hotmail <terryrylee@...> Subject: Re: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Re: Hi! To: Teen_G0Y_guys@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 2:56 PM
I am gay and I do not have a problem with that word as you do, we can not change if we don’t stand together and say this is wrong and we are not all the same. Creating a word to describe who you think you are does not change the fact that you are gay and im sorry you cannot except who you are but do not push this feeling on other people that is wrong.
------- MOD ROCK NOTES:
Well, if your gAy then you shouldn't be on our site! Really! But you are wrong. Labels are very important. gAy means something entirely different no matter if you can see it or not...and gay guys usually can't. g0ys are same sex attracted. Cows are 4 legged animals as well as horses...doesn' t make them the same. You need to spend some time at g0ys.org as does anyone who is here. This is a place for discussing g0ys and what it means to be g0y not debate g0y with a gAy guy that apparently doesn't believe a words have meaning or major
implications. I realize that some guys may have limits placed on their internet access and have questions about g0ys...that is cool here.
I am gay and I do not have a problem with that word as you do, we can not change if we dont stand together and say this is wrong and we are not all the same. Creating a word to describe who you think you are does not change the fact that you are gay and im sorry you cannot except who you are but do not push this feeling on other people that is wrong.
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MOD ROCK NOTES:
Well, if your gAy then you shouldn't be on our site! Really!
But you are wrong. Labels are very important. gAy means something entirely different no matter if you can see it or not...and gay guys usually can't. g0ys are same sex attracted. Cows are 4 legged animals as well as horses...doesn't make them the same. You need to spend some time at g0ys.org as does anyone who is here. This is a place for discussing g0ys and what it means to be g0y not debate g0y with a gAy guy that apparently doesn't believe a words have meaning or major implications. I realize that some guys may have limits placed on their internet access and have questions about g0ys...that is cool here.
hey tony i know what you r dilling with i am just comeing out to and i am 18 if
you wont to talk about any thing than just email me at croyal76Yahoo.com i would
like to talk to ya
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MOD ROCK NOTES:
Glad to hear from you Chris. The mistake of seriously 'coming out' is that a
guy can limit himself to just a few guys. Plus taking on the gAy label has so
much baggage that young guys often don't understand this. That is the very
reason this yahoo group was formed. What you guys don't realize is the huge
number of guys that are into guys but claim to be 100% straight..you'd never
know because you really can't tell with most guys. However, the fear of being
associated with gAy is so strong due to the perverse reputation of gAy (as some
act associate with women) that some of the very guys you'd like to get close to
will not get close to you if you're wearing the gAy label. If you indeed have
'come out' in your high school or close friends, I hope your realize the mistake
made and are able to shake the stigma when you change social groups...say in
college or you move to a new city. http://www.g0ys.org
friend.
--- In Teen_G0Y_guys@yahoogroups.com, "TonyD" <finalfantasywarrior@...> wrote:
>
> About a few months ago I realized that I am bisexual. Before I realized it, I
was struggling to find my sexual orientation. I have not come out to anyone and
I probably won't come out to anyone until later in the future when I am ready.
>
> ------
>
> MOD ROCK NOTES:
>
> I realize gAy has horribly affected our culture with phrases that we forget
are gAy. Just remember that "coming out" is really a gAy slogan and nothing to
do with g0ys. G0ys don't come-out but blend-in. Society is merciless to lump
us into the gAy box which we want no part of. Remember also that most guys are
Bi but that still doesn't make them g0y if there willing to dip their wick in a
sewer and call it s3x. The least risk of STDs from least to greatest is FR0T,
then 0ral, then vaginal and then an@l. An@l being 50 times more risky than
0ral.
> A$$ Backward http://www.slate.com/id/2126643 and http://www.g0ys.org (g zero y
s)
>
I'm sorry to say I do not agree with your group and what it stands for I am a gay male definition of gay attracted to the same s3x as you are, I have been with my partner for over 12 years and we do not have an@l s3x so you are so wrong . You are trying to confuse people by saying that all gay people are the same and you are wrong wrong wrong. You do not have the right to judge.Let people love and live life to the fullest.
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MOD ROCK NOTES:
Terry...all men who practice an@l sex or anonymous s3x are gAy with a big A. If you do not practice these things--hey maybe you're g0y? But g0y involves more than these too. Its the unabashed, no-excuse-needed, love of masculinity and the support of it. Men must embrace their masculinity--and shirk femininity...not purposely act like a female. Its letting the word gay go its merry way without standards that has given same sex attracted people the stigma they have today.
The gAy label has taken on all sorts of perverse meanings...g0ys on the front page of the website says plainly that we have no problem with the original definition of "gay" prior to our current day abuse of what a guy who is same sex attracted is all about.
"'When people began to use the term "GAY", it primarily meant "Same-Sex-Attracted". G0YS have no issue with that original, simple meaning. However, over time, -the term has taken on lots of A$$ociated-baggage as a result of stigmas from stereotypes - many aggressively shamelessly promoted by the "GAY MALE COMMUNITY" itself
It is one thing to be slurred by "outsiders"; -- However, the bulk of Gay-male stigmas are promoted as "gay-culture" from within the "gay-male demographic". When a group declares itself "anathema", what appeal to "tolerance" remains? None!
The current use of the term now brings a series of images to people's minds that generally have nothing to do with simple attractions (but are inseparably welded to the word in the public psyche). The use has become so distorted - that saying "gay-sex" is now generally presumed synonymous w. "anal-sex" - so much so that mass-media regularly interchanges the two. Not only does the "GAY COMMUNITY" seem "ok" with that stereotype, but actively promotes it - many others. As a result, G0YS find the current use of the term "GAY" to be vulgar, acutely repugnant to our ethos. Our disrespect of the term reflects our feelings about the contemporary implications (implied stigmas/stereotypes); -not a disdain for the original (simplistic) use. Please bear this in mind whenever you see any g0y commentary critical of "GAY".' - Site Founder
G0YS are all about about: Trust, Respect, Compassion, Commitment to Masculinity. You too?
http://www.g0ys.org/initialize.htm
About a few months ago I realized that I am bisexual. Before I realized it, I
was struggling to find my sexual orientation. I have not come out to anyone and
I probably won't come out to anyone until later in the future when I am ready.
------
MOD ROCK NOTES:
I realize gAy has horribly affected our culture with phrases that we forget are
gAy. Just remember that "coming out" is really a gAy slogan and nothing to do
with g0ys. G0ys don't come-out but blend-in. Society is merciless to lump us
into the gAy box which we want no part of. Remember also that most guys are Bi
but that still doesn't make them g0y if there willing to dip their wick in a
sewer and call it s3x. The least risk of STDs from least to greatest is FR0T,
then 0ral, then vaginal and then an@l. An@l being 50 times more risky than
0ral.
A$$ Backward http://www.slate.com/id/2126643 and http://www.g0ys.org (g zero y
s)
I'm into lots of old things. Like Classical music, pop from the 70's, and a little modern things. I like Beyonce and a girl named Regina Spektor. She sang "the call" at the end of Prince Caspian.
The Carpenters are probably my favorite band ever.
I don't like his lifestyle, but Elton John is an excellent musician and I like his music.
I like Pink because when she sings, you know she's real.
So guys, what's some of the music you guys like to listen to?
A young guy introduced me to a hip hop channel a month or two ago in the gym. I don't like the lyrics to alot of the songs because they don't uphold a wise lifestyle. However, I like the rhythm and we talked about how it was great music for when you need a up rhythm for aerobic exercise on the little gyms radio. I guess a point to be made here is that if I had my mp3 player on me and my ears plugged then it can be a barrier to getting to chat with a guy at the gym and gradually bond. Another way of looking at it is that if a guy really find you attractive then if you ask him if he's finished with certain equipment or if you can working with him or need a spot, then hill jerk those plugs out pretty quick. What do you guys think?
I've got a wide selection. I'm not very 'group' focused per say. Here is a sample of some of what I enjoy.
POMPLAMOOSE:
There is one couple that produces music I like and the fact that they play all the instruments and mix it themselves is so cool. If you don't particularly like the music, you might find the videos on youtube of the performances 'that they also create' to be cool.
As a group their name is xxxx and the guy xxxx does his own thing too.
One example of their collaboration group name Pomplamoose:
" indicates that the friendship is new and needs time to develop and grow with some sort of 'commitment' in mind. "
should be
"indicates that the friendship is new and needs time to develop and grow with[out] some sort of 'commitment' in mind. "
MOD ROCK
From: Rock <xmanofstone@...> To: Teen_G0Y_guys@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 7:15:07 PM Subject: Re: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Re: Hi!
My thoughts are that I'm happy for Junior Free for finding a buddy. Hopefully its only a g0y friendship because that is why our site exists is for encouraging that type of friendship development and encouragement.
I do agree with AA that your comment about "just found someone" indicates that the friendship is new and needs time to develop and grow with some sort of 'commitment' in mind. You need time to learn the guy and see what he's all about instead of just going with a gut impression.
In light of g0y, this guy is ONE of your g0y buddies...not an exclusive THE ONE. A guy is not to be possessed by another guy. However, it is a relationship of friendship based on common things and attraction too. I expect you plan on making more friends too, right? I'd be concerned that moving in with a guy that I didn't know that well would be taking a big risk that there really is no need to take.
However, if he really likes you so much then your friendship and attraction will bond you for life and you'll get together on occasions when you can work it out. Go to see a game together...road trip...camping. ..etc
MOD ROCK
From: a a <akjbmp@yahoo. com> To: Teen_G0Y_guys@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 5:56:46 PM Subject: Re: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Re: Hi!
You are moving way to fast. Find someone closer, enjoy them for their friendship /buddy, but don't live together yet. Wait a few years before making a commitment with someone you just met. --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Junior Free <free.junior@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Junior Free <free.junior@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Re: Hi! To: Teen_G0Y_guys@ yahoogroups. com Cc: Free.junior@ yahoo.com Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 12:03 PM
i just found someone and we hit off great. But he lives about 100 miles away . i am only 18 he is 17 he is wanting to move in with me i think we are moving to fast. but i have alot in commen.
------- MOD ROCK NOTES: Congrats. :)
--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Rock <xmanofstone@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Rock <xmanofstone@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Re: Hi! To: Teen_G0Y_guys@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 2:21 AM
Hey MJ,
I recommend that you focus on guys that you have something in common with because those are going to be the ones that you have the greatest heart connection and the ones that you will more naturally get close too.
However, this may be a great motivation for you to get involved in some new sports or interests that help you get closer to the guys you are admiring from a distance.
Just keep in mind that looks are just the outside and you have no clue if the guy you admire is interested in getting close to you. Its fine to appreciate his appearance but paying him too much attention could get you boxed into the gAy label. So, don't do that.
Work to get close to the guys in your circle of friends or expand your horizons by getting involved with some athletics that gets you closer to being around the guys you admire the most.
Be sports minded and place your attention on upholding masculinity as not only a wonderful thing to behold but as the man you are or want to become.
MOD ROCK
From: Mj <mjaa1996@yahoo. com> To: Teen_G0Y_guys@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 11:32:41 AM Subject: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Re: Hi!
Hey rock
uhm well I am doing tennis with the one guy but with the other guy I dont find anything between us that we have in common, and how do i get the relationship beyond just friends?
PS:I like the "not anything in common guy" a bit more
--- In Teen_G0Y_guys@ yahoogroups. com, Rock <xmanofstone@ ...> wrote: > > Hey MJ, > > These guys you like...are you trying to get close to them by being involved in similar interests, sports, or clubs? G0ys is about being a friend with a guy first. Its out of the closeness of friendship and then through sleeping over that you'll get the closeness instead of only a longing to be near a guy. > > MOD ROCK > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Mj
<mjaa1996@.. .> > To: Teen_G0Y_guys@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 6:19:56 AM > Subject: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Hi! > > Â > Hey guys I am new here I am 13, i started to feel something towards guys when i was 12 but I am not sure if God thinks G0ys are wrong but yeah so guys please help me.... oh yeah and there are 2 guys in my class that i like but i don't know how they feel. >
My thoughts are that I'm happy for Junior Free for finding a buddy. Hopefully its only a g0y friendship because that is why our site exists is for encouraging that type of friendship development and encouragement.
I do agree with AA that your comment about "just found someone" indicates that the friendship is new and needs time to develop and grow with some sort of 'commitment' in mind. You need time to learn the guy and see what he's all about instead of just going with a gut impression.
In light of g0y, this guy is ONE of your g0y buddies...not an exclusive THE ONE. A guy is not to be possessed by another guy. However, it is a relationship of friendship based on common things and attraction too. I expect you plan on making more friends too, right? I'd be concerned that moving in with a guy that I didn't know that well would be taking a big risk that there really is no need to take.
However, if he really likes you so much then your friendship and attraction will bond you for life and you'll get together on occasions when you can work it out. Go to see a game together...road trip...camping...etc
MOD ROCK
From: a a <akjbmp@...> To: Teen_G0Y_guys@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 5:56:46 PM Subject: Re: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Re: Hi!
You are moving way to fast. Find someone closer, enjoy them for their friendship /buddy, but don't live together yet. Wait a few years before making a commitment with someone you just met. --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Junior Free <free.junior@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Junior Free <free.junior@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Re: Hi! To: Teen_G0Y_guys@ yahoogroups. com Cc: Free.junior@ yahoo.com Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 12:03 PM
i just found someone and we hit off great. But he lives about 100 miles away . i am only 18 he is 17 he is wanting to move in with me i think we are moving to fast. but i have alot in commen.
------- MOD ROCK NOTES: Congrats. :)
--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Rock <xmanofstone@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Rock <xmanofstone@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Re: Hi! To: Teen_G0Y_guys@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 2:21 AM
Hey MJ,
I recommend that you focus on guys that you have something in common with because those are going to be the ones that you have the greatest heart connection and the ones that you will more naturally get close too.
However, this may be a great motivation for you to get involved in some new sports or interests that help you get closer to the guys you are admiring from a distance.
Just keep in mind that looks are just the outside and you have no clue if the guy you admire is interested in getting close to you. Its fine to appreciate his appearance but paying him too much attention could get you boxed into the gAy label. So, don't do that.
Work to get close to the guys in your circle of friends or expand your horizons by getting involved with some athletics that gets you closer to being around the guys you admire the most.
Be sports minded and place your attention on upholding masculinity as not only a wonderful thing to behold but as the man you are or want to become.
MOD ROCK
From: Mj <mjaa1996@yahoo. com> To: Teen_G0Y_guys@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 11:32:41 AM Subject: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Re: Hi!
Hey rock
uhm well I am doing tennis with the one guy but with the other guy I dont find anything between us that we have in common, and how do i get the relationship beyond just friends?
PS:I like the "not anything in common guy" a bit more
--- In Teen_G0Y_guys@ yahoogroups. com, Rock <xmanofstone@ ...> wrote: > > Hey MJ, > > These guys you like...are you trying to get close to them by being involved in similar interests, sports, or clubs? G0ys is about being a friend with a guy first. Its out of the closeness of friendship and then through sleeping over that you'll get the closeness instead of only a longing to be near a guy. > > MOD ROCK > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Mj
<mjaa1996@.. .> > To: Teen_G0Y_guys@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 6:19:56 AM > Subject: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Hi! > > Â > Hey guys I am new here I am 13, i started to feel something towards guys when i was 12 but I am not sure if God thinks G0ys are wrong but yeah so guys please help me.... oh yeah and there are 2 guys in my class that i like but i don't know how they feel. >
You are moving way to fast. Find someone closer, enjoy them for their friendship /buddy, but don't live together yet. Wait a few years before making a commitment with someone you just met. --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Junior Free <free.junior@...> wrote:
From: Junior Free <free.junior@...> Subject: Re: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Re: Hi! To: Teen_G0Y_guys@yahoogroups.com Cc: Free.junior@... Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 12:03 PM
i just found someone and we hit off great. But he lives about 100 miles away . i am only 18 he is 17 he is wanting to move in with me i think we are moving to fast. but i have alot in commen.
------- MOD ROCK NOTES: Congrats. :)
--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Rock <xmanofstone@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Rock <xmanofstone@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Re: Hi! To: Teen_G0Y_guys@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 2:21 AM
Hey MJ,
I recommend that you focus on guys that you have something in common with because those are going to be the ones that you have the greatest heart connection and the ones that you will more naturally get close too.
However, this may be a great motivation for you to get involved in some new sports or interests that help you get closer to the guys you are admiring from a distance.
Just keep in mind that looks are just the outside and you have no clue if the guy you admire is interested in getting close to you. Its fine to appreciate his appearance but paying him too much attention could get you boxed into the gAy label. So, don't do that.
Work to get close to the guys in your circle of friends or expand your horizons by getting involved with some athletics that gets you closer to being around the guys you admire the most.
Be sports minded and place your attention on upholding masculinity as not only a wonderful thing to behold but as the man you are or want to become.
MOD ROCK
From: Mj <mjaa1996@yahoo. com> To: Teen_G0Y_guys@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 11:32:41 AM Subject: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Re: Hi!
Hey rock
uhm well I am doing tennis with the one guy but with the other guy I dont find anything between us that we have in common, and how do i get the relationship beyond just friends?
PS:I like the "not anything in common guy" a bit more
--- In Teen_G0Y_guys@ yahoogroups. com, Rock <xmanofstone@ ...> wrote: > > Hey MJ, > > These guys you like...are you trying to get close to them by being involved in similar interests, sports, or clubs? G0ys is about being a friend with a guy first. Its out of the closeness of friendship and then through sleeping over that you'll get the closeness instead of only a longing to be near a guy. > > MOD ROCK > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Mj
<mjaa1996@.. .> > To: Teen_G0Y_guys@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 6:19:56 AM > Subject: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Hi! > > Â > Hey guys I am new here I am 13, i started to feel something towards guys when i was 12 but I am not sure if God thinks G0ys are wrong but yeah so guys please help me.... oh yeah and there are 2 guys in my class that i like but i don't know how they feel. >
i just found someone and we hit off great. But he lives about 100 miles away . i am only 18 he is 17 he is wanting to move in with me i think we are moving to fast. but i have alot in commen.
-------
MOD ROCK NOTES:
Congrats. :)
--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Rock <xmanofstone@...> wrote:
From: Rock <xmanofstone@...> Subject: Re: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Re: Hi! To: Teen_G0Y_guys@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 2:21 AM
Hey MJ,
I recommend that you focus on guys that you have something in common with because those are going to be the ones that you have the greatest heart connection and the ones that you will more naturally get close too.
However, this may be a great motivation for you to get involved in some new sports or interests that help you get closer to the guys you are admiring from a distance.
Just keep in mind that looks are just the outside and you have no clue if the guy you admire is interested in getting close to you. Its fine to appreciate his appearance but paying him too much attention could get you boxed into the gAy label. So, don't do that.
Work to get close to the guys in your circle of friends or expand your horizons by getting involved with some athletics that gets you closer to being around the guys you admire the most.
Be sports minded and place your attention on upholding masculinity as not only a wonderful thing to behold but as the man you are or want to become.
MOD ROCK
From: Mj <mjaa1996@...> To: Teen_G0Y_guys@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 11:32:41 AM Subject: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Re: Hi!
Hey rock
uhm well I am doing tennis with the one guy but with the other guy I dont find anything between us that we have in common, and how do i get the relationship beyond just friends?
PS:I like the "not anything in common guy" a bit more
--- In Teen_G0Y_guys@ yahoogroups. com, Rock <xmanofstone@ ...> wrote: > > Hey MJ, > > These guys you like...are you trying to get close to them by being involved in similar interests, sports, or clubs? G0ys is about being a friend with a guy first. Its out of the closeness of friendship and then through sleeping over that you'll get the closeness instead of only a longing to be near a guy. > > MOD ROCK > >
> > > ____________
_________ _________ __ > From: Mj <mjaa1996@.. .> > To: Teen_G0Y_guys@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 6:19:56 AM > Subject: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Hi! > > > Hey guys I am new here I am 13, i started to feel something towards guys when i was 12 but I am not sure if God thinks G0ys are wrong but yeah so guys please help me.... oh yeah and there are 2 guys in my class that i like but i don't know how they feel. >
We Really Need
Your Help! Why
$upport G0YS
[If we have changed your life, SERIOUSLY consider helping us grow!
We Need GENUINE Supporters!]
Welcome, but please spare us any unbacked lip-service:
We get e-mail all the time from guys who claim we've changed their lives. That's great! However, if g0ys.org has really affected your life on a positive note, then you'll take steps to change the world around you so that more guys will discover g0ys. The MINIMUM we ask of ALL g0ys is that you build a personal ad somewhere & point everyone who visits it - to g0ys.org; - That's the #1 way to help us.
The next step is to help us financially (for those with the means).
For many of you, this is simple and will cost nothing if you slash what you're already giving to abusive
religion. Yeah, I'm asking you to think about the more important matters & then cut out your religious institution
out financially & divert a portion of your giving to g0ys -via the one of the several support methods mentioned at g0ys.org under the Support G0YS Link (If this sounds like a hard thing to do, then I need to ask you if you've seen the aftermath of somebody killed because of their sexual orientation; - or perhaps a suicide because a person was in such inner
conflict. Such things are the results of religious organizations preaching a message that says "God Hates Homos" or the same message in less confrontational terms). If your religion preached that "God hates Negroes', would you keep financing it? What if it said that "God has chosen the white race as His"; --Would you still support it (despite the apparent 'lack' of a 'hate Negroes' theme)? Does "polite" packaging of a deadly lie make the message the lie tells acceptable? How about "Love the sinner, hate the sin."? When used in reference to those who experience same gender attractions, -it paints them as inherently sinful (when they're
N0T)! If it was your son, daughter, niece or nephew who you discovered hanging from a rope or prone on the floor with their brains on the ceiling because they took the message of "Presbyter Poisontongue" to heart & turned his admonitions into
action; --Is that what it will take to shake you awake from the daze of lax, wicked, lukewarm religion? Do you know that aiding somebody preaching a deadly lie is called complicity
(also cowardice) & according to the Scripture - those who are liars
& the morally soft will not inherit the Kingdom of God! Are you financing
a stay in hell by supporting "Elder Everhate" via the offering plate?
In the Book of Revelation, God sends a message to a church & tells them that because they are lukewarm in their faith toward Him, that he's about to spit them out of his mouth. I feel the same way about those who claim to support g0ys.org but fail to take some sort of position & act on what they've learned from the g0ys. Cutting off abusive religion financially is a positive step.
Perhaps you're not affiliated with any religion. Maybe religion has abused you & beaten you up & pissed you off. Consider helping g0ys.org then, because we're well rounded, - & we know how to use religious texts like the Scriptures to make the abusers in the Religious Reich look like the idiots & immoral-hypocrites that they are!
Maybe the "GAY MALE" community has disgusted you beyond words. They don't like g0ys.org - because of our hard-line, anti-anal stance & our support of masculine respect. We don't apologize to Dame-Edna or "Queer anything". G0YS are reclaiming M2M respect from the loud bunch of pseudo-men who want to call all masculine intimacy "GAY" & then dip it all into the sewage of a decadent reputation. While they pound-arses & exclaim it to be "M2M"; -We loudly disagree & tell them to go pound sand!
If you love intimate Masculinity, -then please consider supporting g0ys,
-because we're virtually the only M2M group drawing a line esteeming a deep
respect for masculinity as innate to male morality.
So, let me be clear: If we've positively impacted your life, then please prove it by your support (Otherwise, consider unsubscribing from all g0y forums). This isn't a place for those who want to lazily sit on their arses while the world dies of ignorance; -And this certainly isn't a place where I want people who support "Mother Murderous" & "Priest Pooferpetter" to feel at ease. See, I've had 1-too-many friends stick a gun in his mouth because he "couldn't make the buddy-luv'n feelings stop". His religion murdered him slowly over a space of several years, & talked him into pulling the trigger himself. If you support that foolishness in any way, shape or form - then you are not a friend of g0ys anywhere. Some
moral positions really don't matter. But, G0Y'S DOES!
Hummm....I thought I'd answered this to the group but I don't see where I sent out anything.
I think I was pondering what to say.
This will just be left to your creativity. If you have focused on friendship first then there will be a basic excitement enjoying whatever it is you and your buddy find in common. There will be a mutual fire of enthusiasm between you and pleasure in being together.
It is every guys thing to want to compare body parts. Making a bicep muscle pose for example and comparing. Seeing who can do the most crunches and comparing abs or pushups and comparing chest in the mirror. Having a fun wrestle...I know I had a blast wrestling as a kid with my buddies. Then to keep from being to soar from all the exercise, you may give and get a massage to help your muscles relax and sleep better. Its all alot of fun really.
However, you haven't answered my questions about your ideas of g0ys and where you learned what you know. :)
MOD ROCK
From: Mj Alberts <mjaa1996@...> To: Teen_G0Y_guys@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 10:06:19 PM Subject: Re: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Re: Hi!
Hey Rock,
Well ok and if my relationship is building up, what should i do at the sleepovers?
From: Rock <xmanofstone@ yahoo.com> To: Teen_G0Y_guys@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 4:21:23 AM Subject: Re: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Re: Hi!
Hey MJ,
I recommend that you focus on guys that you have something in common with because those are going to be the ones that you have the greatest heart connection and the ones that you will more naturally get close too.
However, this may be a great motivation for you to get involved in some new sports or interests that help you get closer to the guys you are admiring from a distance.
Just keep in mind that looks are just the outside and you have no clue if the guy you admire is interested in getting close to you. Its fine to appreciate his appearance but paying him too much attention could get you boxed into the gAy label. So, don't do that.
Work to get close to the guys in your circle of friends or expand your horizons by getting involved with some athletics that gets you closer to being around the guys you admire the most.
Be sports minded and place your attention on upholding masculinity as not only a wonderful thing to behold but as the man you are or want to become.
MOD ROCK
From: Mj <mjaa1996@yahoo. com> To: Teen_G0Y_guys@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 11:32:41 AM Subject: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Re: Hi!
Hey rock
uhm well I am doing tennis with the one guy but with the other guy I dont find anything between us that we have in common, and how do i get the relationship beyond just friends?
PS:I like the "not anything in common guy" a bit more
--- In Teen_G0Y_guys@ yahoogroups. com, Rock <xmanofstone@ ...> wrote: > > Hey MJ, > > These guys you like...are you trying to get close to them by being involved in similar interests, sports, or clubs? G0ys is about being a friend with a guy first. Its out of the closeness of friendship and then through sleeping over that you'll get the closeness instead of only a longing to be near a guy. > > MOD ROCK > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Mj
<mjaa1996@.. .> > To: Teen_G0Y_guys@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 6:19:56 AM > Subject: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Hi! > > Â > Hey guys I am new here I am 13, i started to feel something towards guys when i was 12 but I am not sure if God thinks G0ys are wrong but yeah so guys please help me.... oh yeah and there are 2 guys in my class that i like but i don't know how they feel. >
Well ok and if my relationship is building up, what should i do at the sleepovers?
From: Rock <xmanofstone@...> To: Teen_G0Y_guys@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 4:21:23 AM Subject: Re: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Re: Hi!
Hey MJ,
I recommend that you focus on guys that you have something in common with because those are going to be the ones that you have the greatest heart connection and the ones that you will more naturally get close too.
However, this may be a great motivation for you to get involved in some new sports or interests that help you get closer to the guys you are admiring from a distance.
Just keep in mind that looks are just the outside and you have no clue if the guy you admire is interested in getting close to you. Its fine to appreciate his appearance but paying him too much attention could get you boxed into the gAy label. So, don't do that.
Work to get close to the guys in your circle of friends or expand your horizons by getting involved with some athletics that gets you closer to being around the guys you admire the most.
Be sports minded and place your attention on upholding masculinity as not only a wonderful thing to behold but as the man you are or want to become.
MOD ROCK
From: Mj <mjaa1996@yahoo. com> To: Teen_G0Y_guys@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 11:32:41 AM Subject: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Re: Hi!
Hey rock
uhm well I am doing tennis with the one guy but with the other guy I dont find anything between us that we have in common, and how do i get the relationship beyond just friends?
PS:I like the "not anything in common guy" a bit more
--- In Teen_G0Y_guys@ yahoogroups. com, Rock <xmanofstone@ ...> wrote: > > Hey MJ, > > These guys you like...are you trying to get close to them by being involved in similar interests, sports, or clubs? G0ys is about being a friend with a guy first. Its out of the closeness of friendship and then through sleeping over that you'll get the closeness instead of only a longing to be near a guy. > > MOD ROCK > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Mj
<mjaa1996@.. .> > To: Teen_G0Y_guys@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 6:19:56 AM > Subject: [Teen_G0Y_guys] Hi! > > Â > Hey guys I am new here I am 13, i started to feel something towards guys when i was 12 but I am not sure if God thinks G0ys are wrong but yeah so guys please help me.... oh yeah and there are 2 guys in my class that i like but i don't know how they feel. >
Remember, it takes years of working on your body. Every thing you do
contributes toward building your body. Both of these guys started out when they
were teenagers.
This guy started here...
(I think its funny that he posses in his underwear out in his yard)
(But notice how he marks on his photo what he wants to improve.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaspC4jnc-U
He ended up here...no longer working out in his basement...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIhuBOwGpjY
Here is another guy who transformed his body.
(funny how he marks up some of his pictures covering his face or eyes)
It takes time but if you want it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly_jcHbWsTU
MOD ROCK