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#22032

From: "Megan K" <megpie2004@...>
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 7:03 am
Subject: RE: Barbie + The Rockers

All i know is, i really like the cartoon where they played in outer
space...but ive never seen the dolls

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Hi, I'd like to vent about that shameless ripoff of Jem by Mattel here. <br>
If you want to see visual evidence of the above statement, have a look <br>
at the "Other Dolls" part of the riot4Jem site. <br>
While at my local fleamarket a few weeks ago, I pawed through the naked <br>
Barbies looking for Jem dolls (none yet!). What I found was two <br>
naked "Barbie and the Rockers" dolls, and *boy* were they ugly.
There <br>
was Dana( I think), the Aja wannabe, who was only moderately annoying. <br>
The true horror was to be found with Barbie herself, whose makeup was <br>
so ugly it made the Misfits' face paint look tasteful. Seriously, this <br>
thing was _repulsive_ . I found myself exclaiming out loud how ugly <br>
those dolls were. I have no clue how these things managed to beat out <br>
Jem in the market, besides the lower price and the strength of the <br>
Barbie brandname.<br>
After reading the book "Forever Barbie" (read it! It's good!), I
found <br>
myself researching Barbie online. I've noticed that 80s Barbies are <br>
incredibly pink and boring, further angering me that that sold better <br>
than the creative and colorful Jem. Oh well. Thanks for listening to me <br>
vent -_-; . Anyone else want to comment, r.e. Jem vs Barbie?<br>
-Rose<br>
"It's all in the mind."-Yellow Submarine<br>
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#22033

From: Taffeta <taffeta@...>
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 9:32 am
Subject: Re: Jem Movie

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Christian Rage wrote:

> Actually, Posh Spice would be a better Jetta - imagine Victoria
> Beckham as
> an edgy Brit with a smart attitude and a "we're totally above it all"
> kind
> of air?P

Possibly, before she married David Beckham and became the tabloids'
favourite person to pick on. I was never a spice girl fan but I coulda
seen that when she was a spice girl. Not sure I could see it now though
:S It's a shame but she seems to have lost a lot of the aloof dignity
she once had...

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#22034

From: scarlett frazier <septreth1751@...>
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 11:34 am
Subject: RE: Barbie + The Rockers

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I dont honostly remmeber what the Barbie and the Rocker Dolls themselves looked
like. I remember Barbie having a round hat and a to-to dress for one of the
dolls outfits. And there was a stadge and each doll had a cassette tape with it
I believe. I could be wrong on the tape part.I will say this though, I absolutly
LOVE the "Out of this World" movie. Luckly, I found some of the Barbie songs on
the net and downloaded them to jam to. For those who are not familure with
"Barbie and the Rockers Out of this World", heres a brief summery..



Barbie, the glamorous teenaged doll introduced to the toy market by Mattel in
1959, was recreated in animated form in this syndicated special. Clearly banking
on the popularity of the weekly cartoon series Jem, this half-hour epic finds
Barbie fronting a soft-rock group with her friends Dana, Diva, Derek, and (of
course) Ken. Boldly going where no singer has gone before, Barbie arranges for
her "Rockers" to stage a concert in outer space -- only to encounter a great
deal of difficulty returning to Earth. When they finally make back home, the
Rockers discover that they've gone back in time from the 1980s to the 1950s.
Originally distributed by DIC Enterprises in the fall of 1987, Barbie and the
Rockers: Out of This World was supposed to have been the pilot for a
Monday-Friday Barbie cartoon series.



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#22035

From: hlloktty1@...
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 8:49 am
Subject: Re: Re: Hmmmm - Jerrica/Jem

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Rio may have kicked the plant (even though Christy didn't intend on him
doing it), but remember in Midnight Madness *i think that is the name*, Jerrica
totally went off on Rio and threw something at him....  was it  paperwork?  i
can't remember.... sorry!  but yes, Jerrica has her  "normal" moments too.  =)


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#22036

From: Ray Conlon <blackmanta2003@...>
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 12:54 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Real-Life Stingers

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SO ROSE LETS GET THIS STRAIGHT YOU CAN QUOTE ME AND SAY YOU'RE NOT SINGLING
ANYONE OUT AND SAY ARE THESE COMMENTS NECESSARY AND THEN SAY IF ANYONE WANTS TO
TELL YOU SUCK SEND A PERSONAL NOTE.... NO ROSE I'LL DO IT HERE.....
     first off if you took my comment to be negative then that's your problem
     second off DON'T READ IT...........My view on the stingers is my view...
     third off don't single someone out then say you're not!!
Ric

one_eye_smiley <one_eye_smiley@...> wrote:
I've never seen any episodes with the Stingers, so I have no right to
an opinion there. What I wished to address here was some bitterness
that seems to be popping up. Everyone has their own personal vision
of what the Jem crew would look like in real life, so this is going
to be a contentious and occasionally messy topic. However, are
comments like the one below necessary?

> gee now I see why you love the stingers so much you only seen to
love things that appear beautiful.... it's all in the style...  and
thiers looks it seems by your statements..... which I guess is
fitting for the stingers since it seems be all about that in the show
with them too...

I'm not trying to single anyone out here, just trying to remind
everyone here that we share far more in common than we have
differences between us. Sometimes things get contentious on the list,
which is unnecessary. We're all deeply into an 80s toy line/cartoon
the general public has forgotten, and we all have a deep love and
respect for the Jem concept. Think of what the members of your
favorite Jemiverse band did when things were tough. Whether Misfit,
Stinger or Hologram, the bands pulled together and cared for each
member (it's hard to tell with the "villain" bands, but they did too,
in their own way).
BTW, if anyone wants to tell me how much I suck for this posting,
send it to me at one_eye_smiley@... , not the list. Thanks for
putting up with this posting.
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#22037

From: Ray Conlon <blackmanta2003@...>
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 12:58 pm
Subject: RE: Barbie + The Rockers

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I"ve never seen the show... but now I am curious and might just check it out
sometime...

scarlett frazier <septreth1751@...> wrote:
Barbie, the glamorous teenaged doll introduced to the toy market by Mattel in
1959, was recreated in animated form in this syndicated special. Clearly banking
on the popularity of the weekly cartoon series Jem, this half-hour epic finds
Barbie fronting a soft-rock group with her friends Dana, Diva, Derek, and (of
course) Ken. Boldly going where no singer has gone before, Barbie arranges for
her "Rockers" to stage a concert in outer space -- only to encounter a great
deal of difficulty returning to Earth. When they finally make back home, the
Rockers discover that they've gone back in time from the 1980s to the 1950s.
Originally distributed by DIC Enterprises in the fall of 1987, Barbie and the
Rockers: Out of This World was supposed to have been the pilot for a
Monday-Friday Barbie cartoon series.



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#22038

From: "androtomy" <androtomy@...>
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 1:18 pm
Subject: Re: Jem Movie

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> Honestly, too, there are some things that work better in animation
and
> should never be applied to the big screen and live action. Masters
Of
> The Universe should sum that up nicely...

Hey! I liked that movie!!! but I know what you mean, I liked it for
the cheeze factor...
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#22039

From: "angelamii2000" <angelamii2000@...>
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 3:22 pm
Subject: Re: Barbie + The Rockers

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Barbie and the rockers. Man was that 60 minute cartoon cheezy however
I also find it interesting how Mattel could take an hour show and show
alot of mattel barbie outfits and dolls that have been sold since 85
shown in it. The first set of barbie and the rockers; then the second
set that now included Ken who had actual real hair. A pink gown and
jewelry from jewel secrets barbie; as well as barbie and the
sensations. That's at least 4 products that were already released not
bad. Now as for the weekly series I suspect mattel saw how about Maxie
the cartoon was and how only lasted one season. Soon after doll
disappeared off the market. Mattel didnt want to go through that. But
hey its just a theory.

sarah

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#22040

From: hordak1977@...
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 1:03 pm
Subject: Re: Jem Movie

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In a message dated 09/30/05 6:07:03 PM Central Standard Time,
maxine_star@... writes:

Reese  Witherspoon as Kimber. Cause she still looks like a teen, no matter
how many  times she gets pregnant.




There is an actress on "One Life to Live" with red hair by the character
name of Natalie Vega. To me, she reminds me of someone that could play Kimber
everytime I see her. Not only does she have the looks, but she also has the same
  pouty and whiney behavior.


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#22041

From: hordak1977@...
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 1:12 pm
Subject: Re: Endless debates about Jetta/Roxy Rumbles/evil Jem

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In a message dated 09/29/05 9:00:57 PM Central Standard Time,
kettrobb@... writes:

I like  the in depth analysis, but I feel like a lot of  people  are
interjecting personal opinions
rather than looking at the episodes  as they are and other canon like the Jem
bible.



That's how I feel. The debates are good. Its only when the messages become
personal attacks.






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#22042

From: Taffeta <taffeta@...>
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 5:21 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Real-Life Stingers

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> I've never seen any episodes with the Stingers, so I have no right to
> an opinion there. What I wished to address here was some bitterness
> that seems to be popping up. Everyone has their own personal vision
> of what the Jem crew would look like in real life, so this is going
> to be a contentious and occasionally messy topic.

Unfortunately it seems to me that every possible topic on this list at
the moment has become contentious because of people taking the whole
discussion idea just a mite too seriously. I'm commenting in a general
sense, Rose, which is why I am posting to the list and not just for you,
because it's been occuring to me more and more recently. Basically, I'm
agreeing with you ^_^. Though I will say - knowing Ric and seeing that
your singling him out (however accidentally) upset him - I think his
words were meant light-heartedly. We used to get away with banter on
this list. Now everything has become a personal insult. It shouldn't be
that way. Nor should we all be expected to agree on everything because
just because we share a fandom, we're not clones of each other. How
boring we'd all be if all we discussed day in day out is how "truly
outrageous" Jem (the show!) is!

Maybe we all need to clarify that discussions and debates on characters,
casting for a potential film, a new jem line or ANYTHING...should be
done with the understanding that we are all going to see things from our
own unique point of view. Tempers seem to get frayed awfully easily at
the moment and it's a shame. For an example - I used to have detailed
and intensive character discussions with a girl called Maria (I know
some folk will remember Maria!). She was an out and out Jem fan and you
know my loyalties. But we had this point where, when it started to get
too much, we'd agree to disagree. We got on great. We understood that
we'd never always see things the same way. But we learnt a lot from each
other about characters and other ways of seeing them.

Casting for a Jem movie is the same way. People are - and myself
probably included in this - casting people based on the personality of
the character and whether or not they like her/him.

It's not a case of not understanding that this is a kid's show and
shouldn't be over-analysed. I still stick by what I said before on this
subject. It's a case of respecting other posters and their opinions. For
my own part, I *know* that when I'm debating with - for example - Sarah
or Ric on list that there's nothing personal behind it and that's how it
should be. For everyone. This is s'posed to be fun :P

Just to throw my own olive branch into the ring, also - I know I'm a
very blunt and direct person and I know that I can come across tactless
and...whatever you want to call it. Without saying too much, if I'm
upsetting anyone specifically by HOW I phrase my posts (not by what I
say, so much, since that is my opinion), I would like to know about it.
If you don't tell me, I won't know.

List white flag of peace? (Or rather limp end of series handshake?) LOL :)

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#22043

From: BONNIEB21@...
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 1:23 pm
Subject: Re: Barbie + The Rockers

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Hi,

In a message dated 10/1/2005 7:34:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
septreth1751@... writes:

Barbie,  the glamorous teenaged doll introduced to the toy market by Mattel
in 1959,  was recreated in animated form in this syndicated special. Clearly
banking on  the popularity of the weekly cartoon series Jem, this half-hour epic
finds  Barbie fronting a soft-rock group with her friends Dana, Diva, Derek,
and (of  course) Ken. Boldly going where no singer has gone before, Barbie
arranges for  her "Rockers" to stage a concert in outer space -- only to
encounter a great  deal of difficulty returning to Earth. When they finally make
back
home, the  Rockers discover that they've gone back in time from the 1980s to
the 1950s.  Originally distributed by DIC Enterprises in the fall of 1987,
Barbie and the  Rockers: Out of This World was supposed to have been the pilot
for
a  Monday-Friday Barbie cartoon series.



I still have this on tape.  One Thanksgiving  they showed it on TV and I went
to my grandmother's house and I knew I  might not be able to see it.  So I
had to choose between this and Denver  the Last Dinosaur (which I did see at
Granny's and have grown to love but I must  be the only one cause I never see
any
fan sites for it).  I made the right  beach mtv call.  Anyhow I liked it
enough at the time.  But I watched  it again recently (I had to find it first)
and
boy does it suck!   Seriously, you don't really appreciate villians until
they're not there and  there's no plot.  Oh yeah, what's the point of having a
concert in space if  everyone's going to have to watch it on TV
anyway?!?!?!?!?!?!!?  It's  supposed to be a concert for world peace but it
doesn't actually
help anybody  but Barbie (talk about a selfish beeyotch!).

     It's basicly, Barbie's the best, we love Barbie,  bend over Barbie so we
can all kiss your butt.  Her friends have no  personalities other than to
serve Barbie and Ken is just a Ken doll.   Barbie never goes through any real
problems because everyone loves her, she wins  all the music awards and anything
she wants she gets....wtf?     The only character with any personality is the
little girl from the '50s she's  soooo cute and continues to be cute when she's
grown too.

     As for the music, there's 1 or 2 original songs  mixed in with a bunch of
covers.  There's nothing wrong with using covers,  Alvin & the Chipmunks and
The Chipettes did it.  But Alvin & the  Chipmunks are a proven decades old
musical group and Barbie and the Rockers you  sir are no Alvin & the
Chipmunks!!!!!  However I did like "Best  Friends" (and its heavenly music video
where
everyone dances) and "Blue Jean  Boy".  But the thing about the music is there's
no emotional commitment,  nothing in it is memorable, no one's going to be
singing these songs 20 years  later like "When It's Only Me and the Music" or
"Universal Appeal" or  "Destiny".  The DIC people really dropped the ball as far
as music is  concerned which is surprising and a shame considering DIC is
known for having a  bunch of good theme songs (Jayce & the Wheeled Warriors,
Beverly Hills  Teens, MASK, Inspector Gadget).  How can people who want to have
a
music based show that's supposed to compete with JEM not have good  music?

     And the animation is kinda cheap and there's a lot  of swish pans and
wipes and other post productions tricks they added in to make  the show more
visually interesting something DIC still does too much (Mary-Kate  & Ashley In
Action and NKOTB shows).

     In conclusion, I don't know why they didn't make  this 5 day a week show
(besides the obvious stuff I just mentioned).  Maybe  they couldn't get a
distribution deal there were a lot of shows on in the  '80s. Maybe they waited
to
late to get started.  Maybe they decided  they didn't need it after all.
Maybe letting Barbie speak and think  might not be a good idea (since she has
nothing to say).  I don't know if  there's a way for anybody to see this
anymore.
My local Blockbuster  used to carry it, but with VHS being phased out all the
good old kids videos are  gone.8...^(

Bye,

BonnieB21:-)




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#22044

From: hordak1977@...
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 1:35 pm
Subject: Rio ain't so nice either...

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I'm probably one of the rare people that loves both Jem and The Misfits. As
for the Stingers, I like them, but I don't have the same passion for them.
Maybe  its a"3's a crowd" kind of thing. Anyway, I want to also defend Jerrica's
actions a little bit.  Obviously we all know that writers are the ones  that
kept Jerrica from telling her secret so lets pretend this is real life for
the sake of this discussion :)

I agree that Jerrica should have told Rio the truth from the start, but I
think what was supposed to be a little game of playing dress up snowballed into
a huge deception. I think she felt she was stuck in a rut with Rio and when
she  became Jem everything changed. He started acting different towards her and
made  her feel like a goddess...perhaps the way he made Jerrica feel when
they first  started going out. Not wanting to lose that feeling, she continued
to
parade  around as Jem, but then she blinked and realized weeks had passed
since she  became Jem. Then months. Then years. At this point, revealing her
secret was  definitely harder since now she could actually lose him knowing how
he'd react  to deception.

For the argument of why have a secret identity at all? We know so much  about
everyone in the celebrity culture. The fact that there's one person out
there which fans and the media know nothing about adds to the allure of Jem. If
she suddenly decided to come out and say she's Jerrica Benton, the mystery's
gone. It actually might hurt record sales. People might be like "BFD... what's
next?"

Back to Rio and Jerrica's relationship though, I also think Rio isn't  mr.
innocent. Time and time again he chases after Jem...sometimes right in front  of
Jerrica. If she's jealous of her other self, I don't blame her. As far as he
knows, these are two separate women and yet he's constantly making out with
Jem.




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#22045

From: Taffeta <taffeta@...>
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 5:54 pm
Subject: Jem, Jerrica and Rio ;)

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>  The fact that there's one person out
> there which fans and the media know nothing about adds to the allure
> of Jem. If
> she suddenly decided to come out and say she's Jerrica Benton, the
> mystery's
> gone. It actually might hurt record sales. People might be like
> "BFD... what's
> next?"

I think there's a lot to that. If we assume that Jerrica is a shrewd
businesswoman - and she must be, to take over and run the company when
she's so young and so busy - then she must have factored that into her
decision to keep Jem a secret. There is also the protection of Synergy,
of course, because she'd have to explain HOW she became Jem - and whilst
I think she takes Syn for granted sometimes, I don't think she'd want to
put her father's work in jeopardy. Especially not so close to his death.
And finally, there is Jerrica's own confidence issue. She isn't a glitzy
personality the way Kimber tends to be. Kimber is outgoing and the
ultimate socialite in the making. Jerrica is more serious, more
responsible, more reserved. Even her wardrobe is a lot more tame than
Kimber's.

I sometimes wonder with Jerrica if becoming Jem was in some way an
attempt to be more like Kimber. It's the "grass is greener" philosophy -
the idea that someone's way of life is better than your own. I don't say
that it is or it isn't - but Jerrica got everything thrown at her when
Emmet died and she must've envied how little Kimber really had to do.
Plus, if we think about the flashbacks, Kimber is shown with Emmet a lot
more than Jerrica is. It's almost like Jerrica feels she didn't get her
Dad's attention in the way Kimber did, and is reacting to his sudden
death by becoming someone else completely.

Unfortunately for Jerrica, there are severe complications. Rio is the
first of those - I think that the moment she didn't tell him that Jem
and Jerrica were both her, she ended that relationship and any chance it
had of a stable, secure future. If she knew Rio had a temper, and got
jealous easily, it already suggests that they're not solid as they
should be. But maybe it's back to the above lack of confidence - if she
loses Rio, can Jerrica Benton really find another guy who's interested
in her? (Probably she can, of course, but whether SHE believes she can
is another matter). She clings to him even when he's going after Jem
because, while Jem grabs all the attention, she wants Rio to prefer who
she is under the disguise. (Almost a Clark Kent/Superman/Lois Lane or
Spiderman/Peter Parker/MJ scenario, without the superheroism!). And in
trying to outdo her own self, she makes Jem more and more unique from
Jerrica. And the more disconnected Jem gets from Jerrica, the more
threatened Jerrica feels by Jem. I still think Jem is Jerrica's worst
enemy, in honesty. After all, the Misfits never had the power to stop
Jem altogether, and nor did the Stingers. But Jerrica DID stop Jem in
Glitter and Gold, because it was getting too much for her.

I don't think Rio is an innocent party. I tend to think of him as not
too bright on occasion, and definitely driven by things other than his
brain where women are concerned. It's worrying that it took till the
stingers season for anyone to explain Rio's apparent straying in any
terms other than blatant infidelity. I think he adds to Jerrica's
insecurities, rather than the opposite. He's not a supportive partner.
I'm not sure he's even grown up enough himself to understand what it is
Jerrica needs. At the end of Kimber's almost wedding, Jerrica jokes
about getting married and Rio is definitely not on the same thought train.

Though I understand that he is her love interest and that the series
requires them to have this on off relationship trauma deal going on, in
a real life situation you'd hope she'd not stick it out with him. And
from Rio's point of view, with Jerrica confused enough to flaunt Jem and
Jerrica (and Jamie!) in his face at every opportunity, he'd do well to
cut his losses too. I always think that he would have found a much
better pair in Minx, simply because she knows herself well enough to
keep tabs on him. And, because, I think by the end of the series she
maybe has more genuine affection for Rio that the confused mess
Jem/Jerrica is does...

Taffeta

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From: "Christian Rage" <stingers3@...>
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 6:09 pm
Subject: Re: Real-Life Stingers

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Gee Ric...ouch!

Actually, I WAS speaking in "Stinger-Mode" (with tongue firmly in cheek),
for the most part.  I'm NOT a big Uma Thurman fan and she IS rather "plain"
looking (Again, in my opinion) and to see her as one of my favorite
characters, I didn't "get it".

The reason I liked the Stingers goes a bit beyond their "looks".  They were
the only group on the show to have humbled ALL the others! (insert Riot-like
laughter, here.) They were progressive and I saw them as a beginning
transition of the show into the coming 90's.  Their make-up was less
garrish, their clothes were beginning to reflect changing fashion trends
(except those horrendous striped pants Riot wore with that purple tank-top
and the garter belt he wore on his arm.)

The Stingers were visually different - and I like different.  As a visual
person, this ENTIRE SHOW was a feast for me.  Due to the amount said about
them on this list, I can tell that I'm definately in the
Stinger-minority...and that's fine, but I'm not quite as shallow as my
comments might have suggested. I just have opinions, as well.

Thanks for listening.
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#22047

From: "Christian Rage" <stingers3@...>
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 6:24 pm
Subject: RE: Rio ain't so nice either...

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FINALLY - someone sees the "other" side...*smile*
-Christian



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#22048

From: DiverBound@...
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 2:38 pm
Subject: Re: Rio ain't so nice either...

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I always look at it from the viewpoint that poor Jerrica had a LOT on her
plate.  She was struggling to run a music company that was suddenly dumped  into
her lap, as well as maintain a home for foster girls as WELL as taking care
of the girls themselves.  When she acheived celebrity as Jem, it only  further
complicated things, because now she had a hectic celebrity lifestyle to  deal
with, as well!  Actually, I'm amazed the poor gal didn't just SNAP  like a
twig under the pressure!  I feel that she pretty much HAD to  have a "secret
identity".  If the world had known that she was Jerrica  Benton, she'd have had
paparazzi constantly stalking her, and it would have  seriously disrupted her
private life as Jerrica.  Her own identity was a  way to "escape" from Jem.  I
just watched "Glitter and Gold", and one of  Jerrica's lines from the
beginning really struck me; "I'm sick of hearing about  Jem!"  At this point,
had even
Jerrica herself gotten tired of her dual  life?

As for telling Rio, well.....hmmm.  I think that maybe if there had  been a
time to tell him, it would have been right at the very beginning, before
Eric's little Battle of the Bands in the park;

INTERIOR, STARLIGHT DRIVE-IN

Jerrica; Wait!  I've got it!  I know how to stop Eric  Raymond!

EXTERIOR, STARLIGHT DRIVE-IN

(Rio pulls up in his van, gets out, and walks up to Jerrica, who is  standing
there, waiting)

Rio; Hi, Sweetheart, I got here as fast as I could.   What's so urgent?

Jerrica; Rio, I have something very important to tell you.  But first,  you
have to promise me,
             promise  on the honor of my father's memory, that you won't tell
anyone about what
             I'm  about to show you.....

Rio is taken inside, introduced to Synergy, blah blah blah.  Now,  there is
no Jerrica/Jem/Rio triangle, no romantic soap opera tension, a major  plot
device is gone.  Show's over!

Todd






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From: DiverBound@...
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 2:45 pm
Subject: Re: Jem, Jerrica and Rio ;)

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I did always wonder what kind of thought processes where going through
Jerrica's head, knowing FULL well that her boyfriend was sort-of cheating on
her....with HERSELF!  In a way, maybe she didn't mind, since she knew that  she
WAS
the other woman, but, on the other hand, the fact that she KNEW he was
cheating because she WAS the other woman......wow.  I need an  aspirin!  No
wonder
Christy herself said that Jerrica was "schizo"...  lol

Todd


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#22050

From: DiverBound@...
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 2:53 pm
Subject: Re: Barbie + The Rockers

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Yes, but it was so HORRID, they scrapped the entire idea.  lol   Actually, I
have both the shows, Out of This World and Rockin' Back to Earth, on  VHS.
Awful, awful, AWFUL.  Barbie is perhaps the WORST voice casting  I have ever
heard....she sounds totally nasal and whiny.  As for the  dolls.... ACK!  I
bought the first series of them, then shortly went TOTAL  pro-Jem, anti-Barbie
afterwards.  I can't IMAGINE why.....maybe it was  because I was annoyed that
Mattel had to once again STEAL another company's idea  to CRUSH them into the
ground. (Flash forward to 1990....Tyco's The Little  Mermaid dolls are selling
VERY well, then suddenly, oh, LOOK, it's Mermaid  Barbie!  How...original!).
Grrrrr...

Todd


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#22051

From: Taffeta <taffeta@...>
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 6:57 pm
Subject: Re: Jem, Jerrica and Rio ;)

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> I did always wonder what kind of thought processes where going through
> Jerrica's head, knowing FULL well that her boyfriend was sort-of
> cheating on
> her....with HERSELF!  In a way, maybe she didn't mind, since she knew
> that  she WAS
> the other woman, but, on the other hand, the fact that she KNEW he was
> cheating because she WAS the other woman......wow.  I need an  aspirin!

I dunno. I think that by the end of the series she has issues. She has
three identities in MSM and even the Holograms think she's nuts. They
believe it's her acting up in one jem too many so they obviously have
concerns about how hard she's working and that it's taking it's toll on
her. She loses her mind a little in Beauty and the Rock Promoter and has
a semi-breakdown in the process (because the beast is playing a Jem on
her, ironically!). She lashes out a little too roughly at Kimber
(Father's Day) and Minx (Change of Heart) and she takes off on the boat
with Riot even though I realise he had a lot to do with that. I'm sure
there's something else too in the back of my mind but I can't pin it
down at the moment.

In the first Starbright, Jem answers a starlight girl call, looks in a
mirror and realises she's Jem, not Jerrica. By the end of the series,
we've all but lost Jerrica behind Jem. Not just in a psychological sense
but in a screenplay sense - she's often not even there any more. It
really seems to me that by the end of the series Jem and Jerrica are as
split as they possibly can be.

That's generally the explanation why I can say I despise Jem but I don't
hate Jerrica. To me they're practically two people, even though they're not.

Taffeta

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#22052

From: "stranger_ukuk" <Icon@...>
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 7:49 pm
Subject: Re: Rio ain't so nice either...

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> Back to Rio and Jerrica's relationship though, I also think Rio
isn't  mr.
> innocent. Time and time again he chases after Jem...sometimes
right in front  of
> Jerrica.

But when push comes to shove he stands absolutely by Jerrica, as
seen in "Midsummer Nights Madness". He's at least honest enough to
tell the truth. She's not.

>If she's jealous of her other self, I don't blame her.

Neither do I, but she gets no sympathy from me either.

> As far as he knows, these are two separate women and yet he's
constantly making out with
> Jem.

It might help if Jem turned him down every once in a while, or
reminded him that he's with Jerrica. As it stands he's not attracted
to two people, he's attracted to the same person, TWICE. That's GOT
to be confusing...

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#22053

From: riot4jem@...
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: Mermaid

dragoncapr

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In a message dated 10/1/05 1:55:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
DiverBound@... writes:

(Flash  forward to 1990....Tyco's The Little  Mermaid dolls are selling
VERY  well, then suddenly, oh, LOOK, it's Mermaid  Barbie!
How...original!).


Funny thing is Hasbro rejected a Mermaid doll in 1987. The marketing
department said that a Mermaid would never sell, that little girls would not 
relate
to a Mermaid. And that since the dolls would not have legs that girls  would
not play with them because they wouldn't stand up. The Mermaid set would  have
had (I think) 3 female dolls, a male doll, maybe a baby and a Treasure  Chest
bed...similar to the New Wave Water bed. I think we may have gotten an  idea
of what these dolls might look like with the Mardi Gras Jem outfit...that
Mermaid. Same Hasbro designer developed those dolls.
later
Brian


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#22054

From: Elizabeth Pemberton <lizpcatmom@...>
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 10:11 pm
Subject: Re: Barbie + The Rockers

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"I have no clue how these things managed to beat out
Jem in the market, besides the lower price and the
strength of the Barbie brandname."

Well, that's all Mattel NEEDS to beat ANYONE.  They
did a fantastic job creating and building the fashion
doll market category - think of Barbie like you think
of other dominant brands, like Coca-Cola or Band-Aids
or Campbell's Soup or whatever.  ALL fashion dolls,
including Jem, benefit from Mattel's work on Barbie -
there'd be no market for them otherwise.

I collect both, and have written at length about the
Jem vs. Barbie issue.  Hasbro could have done
EVERYTHING right and Jem would never have become the
dominant fashion doll.  Jem might have lasted another
2 years at most with great support, or possibly
branched out to be a more generic 12.5" doll (more
like a 90's Darci, really) - and Hasbro *didn't* do
everything right, by a long shot.

Also, Mattel wasn't trying to "crush" Jem.  As
successful as BATR was, it was only a small part of
the Barbie line, and while Mattel, like every other
business, has had great success stealing other
people's ideas, they're diversified enough that no
single line will make or break them.  Would they
prefer no competition?  Well, maybe, but some
competition and the new ideas it brings into the
marketplace can be very healthy and useful.  Would
they like to have the entire rock star doll market?
Sure.  Are they going to bother "crushing" anyone else
when all they have to do is wait for the market and
consumer base they built to do it for them?  Nah.

(That said, Jem is a much better rock star doll line
and a much more poseable, realistic doll, no question,
although BATR has its charms, and while many 80's
Barbies are useless, there are some really cool dolls
mixed in there, if you look hard enough.)

The only two dolls which have EVER challenged Barbie
are Dawn and Bratz - Dawn was much smaller and
automatically cheaper, and Mattel was in a big slump
in the '70's.  Bratz is a vastly different doll from
Barbie (and the slutty thing disgusts me, BTW,) and
Mattel is currently shooting itself in the foot big
time - but even if you look at the market share Mattel
has lost, both to Bratz and just because they're
producing stuff a lot of us die-hard collectors don't
even want to buy, Barbie is still hugely successful
and the brand is NOT on its way out.

As for Barbie and the Rockers -- the line was meant to
be a one-year thing, and yes, it was very specifically
capitalizing on Jem's popularity.  That's how business
works - it's not at all unique to Mattel.  Because it
succeeded so well, they did a second year and a lot of
accompanying folderol, but unlike Jem (which was
conceived as a doll and cartoon combo and which took
great pains to produce a great cartoon that, while
meant to sell dolls, could ALSO stand on its own as a
television program,) Mattel was never in the cartoon
business.

They were also not in the business of creating dolls
with backstory and strong characters, and BATR lasting
two years was a first for them based entirely on the
doll's success. Barbie is SUPPOSED to be a blank slate
so that you can dress her in anything and she can be
anyone;  she isn't supposed to be a character.  There
are vague relationships and bits of a story here and
there, but basically, she's Everygirl.  THAT's how
she's lasted 45 years - that's her thing.

Jem is entirely different - she's first about
character and second about being a fashion doll.  Jem
can really ONLY ever be Jem, and if you aren't
interested in the Jem character (and some people
aren't, because everybody is different,) you're not
going to be interested in the dolls.  The excellent
character development and backstory that we all love
is inherently limiting to a fashion doll and, I
daresay, to a cartoon - hence Jem's charitable works,
and the intrigues with the Misfits and Stingers, and
the other adventures that are only tenuosly related to
being a rock star.  And the whole "Hollywood Jem"
concept...

Anyway, I am not at all saying anyone has to love
Barbie or Mattel, but please recognize that it was
never as simple as "BATR vs. Jem" or "Mattel trying to
crush Hasbro."  Jem is what she is and Barbie is what
she is, and if you don't like one of them, well, you
don't have to buy that one - but please don't imply
that those of us who DO like Barbie are somehow wrong.
  Tastes vary.

Rant over,

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#22055

From: "angelamii2000" <angelamii2000@...>
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 11:06 pm
Subject: Re: Jem, Jerrica and Rio ;)

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Ok now my two cents. Taffeta I hate to do this to you a third time and
to be honest I'm not sure if your reading all of what I'm typing or
ignoring it. Jerrica is jealous of Kimber now there's a laugh. If you
ask me its the other way around. I know and believe that Kimber doesnt
like her sister. She treats Jerrica as if she's just there. She
ignores her responsibilities of helping her sister run Starlight
Music. This girl hardly does physical labor. You need examples: Let's
see episodes like:

The Beginning: While everyone is trying to fix up the house. What's
Kimber doing to help playing a guitar. Oh yeah that's doing alot.

In Search of the stolen album: While people are making phone calls
getting work done Kimber is taking a nap.

Oh and there is the fact that she wishes the Jem Hologram was her
sister and not Jerrica. Now that's gotta hurt. It makes you think she
wishes Jerrica was the hologram. There is also the fact that when Riot
pulled his little stunt and whisked Jem away on that cruise I find it
amazing how quickly Kimber gave up running it. I doubt she even
bothered dealing with it. There is even a scene in day the music died
where Kimber is telling what happened well in her words. That she has
very sensitive feelings. That she overreacts. Oh, in my opinion its
the other way around. I think she is the one that is selfish towards
her sister's feelings. Snapping at her because Jerrica doesnt want to
think about Regine. That Jerrica was attacking her. Kimber cares about
Kimber and her alone. Although I do have to admit that she does care
about the kids and the band itself. It's just I wish Kimber cared
about her sister's feelings more then herself.

However Kimber I also has a problem with Jem. She's extremely
sensitive when Jem gets alot of the attention. Even if isn't even
Jem's fault she blames her. Example: Starbright pt1. It's pretty
obvious that Jem isn't interested in Nick Mann. And when he pulls a
stunt in front of the reporters by forcing himself on Jem who does
Kimber BLAME: She blames Jem. "Jem shouldn't be leading Rio on?! Uh
the look on Jem's face is kind of obvious to me that she wasn't. Oh
and as for the Jerrica/Rio relationship. My theory on this is simple:

These two sweeties were brought together by tragedy. I don't even
really think the, "I love you words" were hardly ever used between the
two. He compares her to a freakin pooch in Starbright and oh yes he
calls her a tightwad in day the music died. I think Jerrica could have
done alot better. I even think Randy would have made a better match
for her. Rio is to jealous and possesive over Jem to really care. Now
as for Jem/Jerrica thing I don't deny Jerrica uses synergy as a
crutch. I think alot of things could have been handled better if she
didnt use Synergy as much. Especially when she was as Jem or vice
versa as Jerrica had her alter-ego in the same room. Maybe they were
never meant to be. It's funny when I was younger watching Jem I wanted
and liked them to be together however when I got older I felt
differently.

To me I think Jerrica handles to much stuff on her own. I think she
could have easily have told Rio about what Eric was doing. Rio would
then go over and beaten the crap out of Eric and gotten the master
tapes back. But Jerrica didnt' do that and I think there could be two
possible theories why. 1. Jerrica never had much help from her sister
running Starlight Music and felt a need which then became an obsession
that she had to handle it on her own. She'll even force herself and
her friends to do things on their own without help. This to me is a
big insecurity.

2. Jerrica is trying to for herself and to her father that she can run
Starlight Music. I mean if you think about it there werent' to many
female executives ceos running companies back in the 80's. She needs
someone who to me could easily put his foot down. Rio only did that
when she was Jem. It's a shame he couldnt do that when she was
herself. So who knows maybe Randy or even Riot would have been a
better match. Riot to me yes manipulated people and at times
influenced them. Although negative it had its good points. Having that
edge over Jerrica might in a way help control her need to do things by
herself. That's why I paired him off with her in my fanfic Perfect
match. To me Riot isn't truly arrogant. That's just a wall he puts up.
When he is around Jerrica in stingers hit town pt1 when he kisses her
on the hand. That's the true Riot. That and in Riot's hope. Even A
father should be he does show concern. But that's just me. I know a
few out there find that idea hard to believe. To each their own.

I think the only couple that really had a chance was Anthony and
Shana. Now there was true and devotion!

just my two cents

sarah

PS.
I'm not saying I dont like Kimber I just wish she was more
understanding towards her sister's situation and not just herself.

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#22056

From: "androtomy" <androtomy@...>
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 11:50 pm
Subject: Re: Real-Life Stingers

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> The reason I liked the Stingers goes a bit beyond their "looks".

>They were progressive and I saw them as a beginning
> transition of the show into the coming 90's.  Their make-up was less
> garrish, their clothes were beginning to reflect changing fashion
trends

I thought their clothes were a rip off of Stryper from the mid 80's.
Even their name Stingers is similar to Stryper, although their music
sounds more like NKOTB meets the Jacksons' Victory album.
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#22057

From: "Cade Buchanan" <cadeland2002@...>
Date: Sun Oct 2, 2005 1:15 am
Subject: Re: SNL

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Ok so this was talked about a long time ago but I only just saw it last night
(we got pay TV finally - yay!) I saw the Barbie sketch on the Saturday Night
Live that Paris Hilton hosted, it was so cool, I loved the Jem reference ("Wait
till I tell Jem about this, she will think this is truuuuuuuly outrageous!!" )
and the ghetto Bratz doll who comes in and starts laying into Paris as Barbie. I
also loved the first Barbie's unfortunate run in with a pair of scissors. I
thought it was going to be on at the end of the show though so I didn't get to
tape the sketch unfortunately :-(

Cade

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#22058

From: riot4jem@...
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 9:27 pm
Subject: Re: SNL

dragoncapr

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what channel did you see it on? I was hoping to see it again on NBC, but
they only seem to be playing eps from the 90's lately
later
Brian


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#22059

From: "Dustin Fickle" <dustinf.voyager@...>
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 8:51 pm
Subject: Botcon report (and it IS Jem related).

unicronq

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Last week (Sorry I took so long to post this, had a busy week since I
got back) I went to Botcon (the official Transformers Convention) in
Frisco, TX, and I've got a couple Jem related updates from the
convention.  The first thing is that Wally Burr (the voice director
for Jem, Transformers, GI Joe, and lots of other 80s cartoons) was
there, and I got him to sign my Jem Season 3 Part 1 dvd set.  He was
kinda surprised to see it and he took a few minutes to look the box
and packaging over.  He then told me to e-mail him about various
production material (scripts, charactor designs and stuff like that)
that hes selling.  I'm going to e-mail him tonight.

The 2nd thing is that after the con ended on the last night, one of
the guys I was rooming with had a dvd-rom drive in his computer and tv
outputs, and we were kinda bored, so we put one of the Jem dvds in.
Both the guys I was rooming with seemed to like it, and one of them is
now trying to get ahold of the season 3 part 1 dvd set (I had bought
him the season 1 and 2 set for his birthday right when it came out,
but he never watched it, and now he wants to.  So basicly I got 2 new
recruits for Jem!  Both of them kept trying to figure out which male
voices did which Transformers charactors, and they identified quite a
few (we watched all of the disc the Rock and Roll Express ep was on,
except that episode :P.

This part is kinda unrelated, but some people here (and Christy) might
be interested in the details.  They're making a Beast Wars 10th
anniversary line that has 3 waves and each toy in the first 2 waves
comes with a part of a charactor from the episode Christy Marx wrote
for Beast Wars (Transmutate).  The first 3 parts of Transmute come
with Waspinator, Cheetor, and Rhinox, the 2nd 3 parts come with
Dinobot, Transmetal Rattrap, and Tarantulas.  The 3rd Wave (Optimus
Primal and Megatron) don't come with Transmutate parts.  Going to be
expensive ($90) to get Transmutate though :(, but I want all the BW
toys too.

unicronQ
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#22060

From: "Cade Buchanan" <cadeland2002@...>
Date: Sun Oct 2, 2005 1:33 am
Subject: Re: SNL

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From: riot4jem@...
To: TrulyOutrageousJem@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [TrulyOutrageousJem] SNL


what channel did you see it on?

It was on The Comedy Channel on Foxtel here in Australia.

Cade :-)


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#22061

From: riot4jem@...
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 9:35 pm
Subject: Re: Botcon report (and it IS Jem related).

dragoncapr

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In a message dated 10/1/05 8:30:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
dustinf.voyager@... writes:

He then  told me to e-mail him about various
production material (scripts, charactor  designs and stuff like that)
that hes selling.  I'm going to e-mail  him tonight.


I for one would love to find out what he has, and if you don't buy it
all...you'll have to send them my email :-)
later
Brian


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