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#472 From: Adam Myerson <adam@...>
Date: Sun Sep 3, 2006 3:56 pm
Subject: FW: Permitting and License sales changes
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Organizers,

I don't recall this information being sent to the list. I just received it
myself and wanted to make sure everyone saw it.

PDF attached, text pasted below.

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August 23rd, 2006
TO:
FROM:
RE:
Organizers ofVCI Cyc1ocross events for the 2006~2007 season
Shawn Fal1"ell,VSA Cycling Technical Director
Permitting and Fees
Dear Organizers, Some questions regarding permitting and fees for VCI
cyclocross races have come up recently that I would like to help clarify.
First, since most of you permit several races a year with us, you are used
to the fee structure for permitting. For road events this starts with
determining the category (A through E) of tlle race based on total prize
list, and then there is either a flat fee or the 7% of the prize list
depending on that category. However, apart from any prize list
considerations, all DCI calendar events are category A by definition.
Therefore, regardless of the prize list, your raCeSwill be permitted as A
races, and the permit fee is 7% of the total prize list for all of the races
that are permitted through us. Second, the VCI requires that the riders
con1ribute 2% of their prizes to the fight against doping. This amount is
taken from the prize list and sent to the DCI directly by the organizer.
This leads to the question about what the actual prize list is and how it
should be reported. To remain consistent with the other disciplines and with
what most elite level riders are used to, you should report the total prize
list and breakdowns before the 2% rider con1ribution is taken out. The total
before the 2% is the actual prize list that is used to determine 1) whether
the prize list meets the minimum required by the VCI and 2) the total prize
list for the purpose of establishing the permit fee. If you would like to
also publish a list of the prizes that have been adjusted to reflect the
subtraction of the 2%, you are certainly welcome to do that as well, but it
would be simpler to just add a footnote to the prize list that explains that
each payout will have 2% subtracted as the riders contribution against
doping (RCAD). I hope that clarifies the permitting and fees issues for you.
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me directly at
719-229-0732 or sfarrell@.... Thank you.
Sincerely,
Shawn Farrell
Technical Director
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#473 From: "Tom McDaniel" <ctmcdaniel@...>
Date: Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:55 pm
Subject: Keeping C1 Status
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Commissionaire Adam

 

Got any ideals on how we can make this work? 

 

How are any of us going to get 10 foreign riders from 5 different nations? In a couple more years maybe we can have the money in place to bring over some European racers but for now I don’t see it happing.

 

We can get 5 Canadians easy enough, but then what?

 

If we can’t find a working solution can we/you work on some kind of North American wavier?

 

 

 

Tom McDaniel

Granogue Cross

 

 


#474 From: "Tom McDaniel" <ctmcdaniel@...>
Date: Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:44 pm
Subject: Rules Rules Rules
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This is what Shawn Farrell sent out today



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Dear CX chiefs, please download the current UCI CX regs. They have made lots
of changes (lots of red to read). Here are the most important:







Note that junior women ride with elite women. Junior men must ride alone.
The masters eligibility has changed significantly. This may be of interest
to masters at the event. If a master rides in elite and does well enough to
crack the top 200 or top 100 for a woman, he or she just nuked their
eligibility for masters worlds.



Any rider that was on a UCI trade team in 2006 is ineligible for masters
worlds.







Note last line. If any of our C1 races do not have 10 foreigners from 5
different nationalities, they will lose their C1 status next year.







This may be relevant to organizers for next year.







A big one for commissaires. In the past, if there was a false start, the
provoking rider was DQ'd but you never saw a restart. This makes it clear
that the event will be  restarted. Another good reason to make sure nobody
can false start. Keep the gun out of the hand of honorary starters!











Big change to the UCI classification. It is only a rider's best  5 or 6
results that count. This will impact a rider's willingness to go chase
points.







In case you had any doubt as to who has to send in results. Please continue
to send them to me as well. Last weekend I had to fix results significantly
from one of the races. The other was fine.







The last page gives a whole new points table. Feel free to peruse it, but
there is no need to try to include points with the results. Some of the
organizers, especially those in New England like to do that, but the UCI
ranking people will figure out what the correct points are. They do not need
to be shown on the results you submit. The table is useful to you as
commissaires so that you know how many places are paying. That way you can
make double sure all those UCI codes are correct and within the right age
ranges. Please check those before submitting. It looks real bad when you
send results to the UCI with a UCI code that cannot be correct because it
has too few digits, too many digits, or a month with a designation higher
than 12. Also, check the age range carefully.



UCI age question - It recently came to my attention that last year there
were some junior girls under the age of 17 who appear in the UCI elite women
classification. I have received several calls from upset parents about this
as their daughters were not allowed to compete. What can we say? Some
commissaires do not do their jobs very well and some rankings people do not
screen the rankings very well. No rider with a racing age under 17 should
ever be on the start line for a UCI event. They should never appear in the
results. For women's races, it is fine to have 17-18 women mixed with
elites. Form elite men, there should be no junior men mixed in there. Few to
none of our organizers have put a junior race on the UCI calendar this year.
There will probably be a junior domestic race, but not a UCI one. Please
keep the junior men out of the UCI elite race.



Shawn

#475 From: "Mike Hebe" <mhebe@...>
Date: Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: Keeping C1 Status
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To me, this reads kind of like we are done with North American waivers. Add in the "best five C 2 events" and it seems as though the UCI is tightening the belt on USA UCI events.
Mike Hebe
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:55 PM
Subject: [USAICO] Keeping C1 Status

Commissionaire Adam

Got any ideals on how we can make this work? 

How are any of us going to get 10 foreign riders from 5 different nations? In a couple more years maybe we can have the money in place to bring over some European racers but for now I don’t see it happing.

We can get 5 Canadians easy enough, but then what?

If we can’t find a working solution can we/you work on some kind of North American wavier?

Tom McDaniel

Granogue Cross



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#476 From: myles romanow <bikeguy11968@...>
Date: Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:25 pm
Subject: Re: Keeping C1 Status
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I've already voiced my displeasure at the following privately, now will do so publically..
 
1-Women's elite race... We're saying that Bessette and Grande have equivalent fitness as 15 yr old boys?? Juniors race for 40 minues... Elite women should be out there for at least as long as u23 men... Whatever happend to equal rights and all that jazz.. Then there is the whole prize list thing...
 
2-5 differnet countries.. last time I checked there weren't 5 differnet Countries in North America..... Okay I just checked again.. previously I thought that central america waslumped in there with South America.  But hte point is Valid.. With the watchmen vigilante's arming the borders poised to stop the flow of Nicaraguan Cyclocrossers, reality need to set in..

Of course the rule does say "in danger of/potentially" as opposed to "you will lose and go down in flames".  Perhaps they will automatically grant c1 status.. I know this came up at my race last year, I got 3 countries covered, and I have a c1 agian this year..
 
3-Can something be done about the glorious "a event" status that we get lumped into for Cross??  A c2 event has a required payout of est. 2700$ usd.. Compare that to.... oh, I don't know, manhattan beach GP, or Chris Thater... We're not even on the same scale.  Being charged according to our declared prize lists is fair, but being lumped into really large events simply because we have a UCI designation is a little ridiculous.  Unless all that extra cash is going to some worth while cause lost to me, in which case strike #3..
 
 
Umm.. Thats what I got. Come to whitmore's!!

Myles Romanow
 
 
 

#477 From: "Farrell, Shawn" <sfarrell@...>
Date: Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:40 pm
Subject: RE: Keeping C1 Status
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Of course the complicating factor is that you never know the relatedness between the printed word from the UCI and the actual arrangement.

 


From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hebe
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:21 PM
To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [USAICO] Keeping C1 Status

 

To me, this reads kind of like we are done with North American waivers. Add in the "best five C 2 events" and it seems as though the UCI is tightening the belt on USA UCI events.

Mike Hebe

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom McDaniel

Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:55 PM

Subject: [USAICO] Keeping C1 Status

 

Commissionaire Adam

Got any ideals on how we can make this work? 

How are any of us going to get 10 foreign riders from 5 different nations? In a couple more years maybe we can have the money in place to bring over some European racers but for now I don’t see it happing.

We can get 5 Canadians easy enough, but then what?

If we can’t find a working solution can we/you work on some kind of North American wavier?

Tom McDaniel

Granogue Cross

 


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#478 From: Adam Myerson <adam@...>
Date: Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:40 pm
Subject: Re: Keeping C1 Status
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That part of the rule has actually been there for some time, and not
enforced for North America.

Unless I'm told otherwise, I would assume that that will continue to be the
case.

That said, it's never a bad idea to at least try to attract some non-US
riders if possible.

Adam


on 9/26/06 2:55 PM, Tom McDaniel at ctmcdaniel@... wrote:

>
>
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> Commissionaire Adam
>
>
>
> Got any ideals on how we can make this work?
>
>
>
> How are any of us going to get 10 foreign riders from 5 different nations?
> In a couple more years maybe we can have the money in place to bring over
> some European racers but for now I don't see it happing.
>
>
>
> We can get 5 Canadians easy enough, but then what?
>
>
>
> If we can't find a working solution can we/you work on some kind of North
> American wavier?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Tom McDaniel
>
> Granogue Cross
>
>
>
>
>

#479 From: "Farrell, Shawn" <sfarrell@...>
Date: Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:50 pm
Subject: RE: Keeping C1 Status
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Ten total foreigners should be easy. We have enough Canadian,
Australian, and other foreign  riders to  go around. It will be the 5
nations that would be a challenge. I should download a list of every
rider with a foreign UCI code that is in our database. Then you will
know who is out there to look at. I would think all the East coast ones
will get lots of Canadians.

-----Original Message-----
From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Adam Myerson
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:41 PM
To: USAICO
Subject: Re: [USAICO] Keeping C1 Status

That part of the rule has actually been there for some time, and not
enforced for North America.

Unless I'm told otherwise, I would assume that that will continue to be
the
case.

That said, it's never a bad idea to at least try to attract some non-US
riders if possible.

Adam


on 9/26/06 2:55 PM, Tom McDaniel at ctmcdaniel@... wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
> Commissionaire Adam
>
>
>
> Got any ideals on how we can make this work?
>
>
>
> How are any of us going to get 10 foreign riders from 5 different
nations?
> In a couple more years maybe we can have the money in place to bring
over
> some European racers but for now I don't see it happing.
>
>
>
> We can get 5 Canadians easy enough, but then what?
>
>
>
> If we can't find a working solution can we/you work on some kind of
North
> American wavier?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tom McDaniel
>
> Granogue Cross
>
>
>
>
>





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#480 From: "Alan Atwood" <Alan_Atwood@...>
Date: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:10 pm
Subject: RE: Keeping C1 Status
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This will be a challenge because there are not many countries in North America that have cyclocross riders.  USA and Canada and that's it.  The rest would have to come from Europe, and that is a challenge given the travel expense and time the riders have to spend getting to and from the venues.  If Europe was in the same boat they for sure would start complaining about this.
 
I think the answer here is from the same process that defines pay scales for different geographical regions in cross races and defines UCI continental "tours" in general.  10 foreign riders from 5 different countries is easy in Europe because there are so many countries in the first place and most of them participate in cyclocross.  For the American continent, we do not have 5 countries that participate in cyclocross, so it's an extra burden to place on these countries to have to fly in riders from other continents just to satisfy this requirement.  Japan and Australia would be in the same boat too, as there's not many countries there and most don't partake in cross.  The answer here is for the UCI to define these requirement based on the same geographical areas that they already define prize money for.
 
 
Thanks,
Alan




To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
From: sfarrell@...
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:50:33 -0600
Subject: RE: [USAICO] Keeping C1 Status

Ten total foreigners should be easy. We have enough Canadian,
Australian, and other foreign riders to go around. It will be the 5
nations that would be a challenge. I should download a list of every
rider with a foreign UCI code that is in our database. Then you will
know who is out there to look at. I would think all the East coast ones
will get lots of Canadians.

-----Original Message-----
From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Adam Myerson
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:41 PM
To: USAICO
Subject: Re: [USAICO] Keeping C1 Status

That part of the rule has actually been there for some time, and not
enforced for North America.

Unless I'm told otherwise, I would assume that that will continue to be
the
case.

That said, it's never a bad idea to at least try to attract some non-US
riders if possible.

Adam

on 9/26/06 2:55 PM, Tom McDaniel at ctmcdaniel@earthlink.net wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
> Commissionaire Adam
>
>
>
> Got any ideals on how we can make this work?
>
>
>
> How are any of us going to get 10 foreign riders from 5 different
nations?
> In a couple more years maybe we can have the money in place to bring
over
> some European racers but for now I don't see it happing.
>
>
>
> We can get 5 Canadians easy enough, but then what?
>
>
>
> If we can't find a working solution can we/you work on some kind of
North
> American wavier?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tom McDaniel
>
> Granogue Cross
>
>
>
>
>

Yahoo! Groups Links



#481 From: "Farrell, Shawn" <sfarrell@...>
Date: Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:56 am
Subject: RE: Keeping C1 Status
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1-Women's elite race... We're saying that Bessette and Grande have equivalent
fitness as 15 yr old boys?? Juniors race for 40 minues... Elite women should be
out there for at least as long as u23 men... Whatever happend to equal rights
and all that jazz.. Then there is the whole prize list thing...

Hard to disagree there.

2-5 differnet countries.. last time I checked there weren't 5 differnet
Countries in North America..... Okay I just checked again.. previously I thought
that central america waslumped in there with South America.  But hte point is
Valid.. With the watchmen vigilante's arming the borders poised to stop the flow
of Nicaraguan Cyclocrossers, reality need to set in..

Of course the rule does say "in danger of/potentially" as opposed to "you will
lose and go down in flames".  Perhaps they will automatically grant c1 status..
I know this came up at my race last year, I got 3 countries covered, and I have
a c1 agian this year..

That is the part you never know. For instance, on the road, every single road
race has the  comment by t he commissaires that there were only two cars with
sunroofs instead of 3. That comment goes in the report year after year, but it
doesn't change and the race still goes on at the same level the next year.

3-Can something be done about the glorious "a event" status that we get lumped
into for Cross??  A c2 event has a required payout of est. 2700$ usd.. Compare
that to.... oh, I don't know, manhattan beach GP, or Chris Thater... We're not
even on the same scale.  Being charged according to our declared prize lists is
fair, but being lumped into really large events simply because we have a UCI
designation is a little ridiculous.  Unless all that extra cash is going to some
worth while cause lost to me, in which case strike #3..

Perhaps we should discuss this offline. I am unclear on the issue. For official
payments, the UCI races have always been A races. As for permitting, I am
unclear how this is any different. Using your numbers, if you have a payout of
$2700, you would be a C race on a one day USCF. If you are a C race, your permit
fee is 7% of your total prize list. If you are a UCI race, you are an A race,
and your permit fee is 7% of your total prize list. Seems to me that you pay the
same permit fee whether you are a C race or an A race. Feel free to  drop me and
email and let me know what I missed here.

Shawn
sfarrell@...


Umm.. Thats what I got. Come to whitmore's!!

Myles Romanow

www.hamptonvelo.com <http://www.hamptonvelo.com/>

#482 From: Tom Stevens <spinarts@...>
Date: Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:38 pm
Subject: RE: Keeping C1 Status
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Shawn,
I think that Myles was referring to the line on the competitive event permit app. that says "Highest payout for any one Category".
That would make all the C2  cx events Category D races since the largest payout per category would be in the $1885.00 range. We would therefore have a f permit fee of $50.00 according to the Permit app..
Thanks
Tom Stevens

3-Can something be done about the glorious "a event" status that we get lumped into for Cross?? A c2 event has a required payout of est. 2700$ usd.. Compare that to.... oh, I don't know, manhattan beach GP, or Chris Thater... We're not even on the same scale. Being charged according to our declared prize lists is fair, but being lumped into really large events simply because we have a UCI designation is a little ridiculous. Unless all that extra cash is going to some worth while cause lost to me, in which case strike #3..

Perhaps we should discuss this offline. I am unclear on the issue. For official payments, the UCI races have always been A races. As for permitting, I am unclear how this is any different. Using your numbers, if you have a payout of $2700, you would be a C race on a one day USCF. If you are a C race, your permit fee is 7% of your total prize list. If you are a UCI race, you are an A race, and your permit fee is 7% of your total prize list. Seems to me that you pay the same permit fee whether you are a C race or an A race. Feel free to drop me and email and let me know what I missed here.


#483 From: Brian Hludzinski <bhlud@...>
Date: Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:00 pm
Subject: UCI CX Race Permit Fees Process ?
bhlud
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Hello,

Does anyone have simple instructions on how to send
the  permit fees to the UCI ?

Thank you,
Brian

#484 From: Adam Myerson <adam@...>
Date: Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:42 pm
Subject: Re: UCI CX Race Permit Fees Process ?
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/USAICO/message/451


on 9/27/06 11:00 AM, Brian Hludzinski at bhlud@... wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Does anyone have simple instructions on how to send
> the  permit fees to the UCI ?
>
> Thank you,
> Brian
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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#485 From: "Tom McDaniel" <ctmcdaniel@...>
Date: Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:06 pm
Subject: RE: UCI CX Race Permit Fees Process ?
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Put the check in the mail with the form.   I think postage was 80 cents for
mine.

The address is on the form somewhere.  It is in some sort of Euro format.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Brian Hludzinski
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 11:01 AM
To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [USAICO] UCI CX Race Permit Fees Process ?

Hello,

Does anyone have simple instructions on how to send
the  permit fees to the UCI ?

Thank you,
Brian



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#486 From: myles romanow <bikeguy11968@...>
Date: Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:43 pm
Subject: RE: Keeping C1 Status
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Yup. Tom nailed it.. I have a tendencey to remember HALF of all the important stuff..

It's really kind of weird.. I mean, let me attempt to get a scnenario going...
 
 
First year we SOMEHOW snuck in with series fees.. We did 5 races that year, one UCI, all at the same venue, and someone screwed up at USAC so it got in with like nothing. 

Next year, same deal happened. I somehow convinced them that 2 uci race constituted a series event and I forgeet how much I actually paid but it wasn't a tonne.
 
This year I used the handy dandy calculation form ont he permit app, since I knew they both couldn't be series events from last year. So i found my payouts, figure it out, and sent off a cheq. Week or so later I got word that all permits were moving to A events... Then they started calling saying I owed more money..


IF I only put on 1 c2 race.  (which was the case 3 years ago.)  First I'm looking at the UCI fees... 300$?? (I forget)
Then I have to pay for officials.  Which for ME is like 1300$ cause there aren't any near by.  Then I give out 7% to USAC, of my 1900$ which is another 133$.. So now I've spent what could be an entire prizelist for the women's field on permitting.    I mean, yes, UCI races are expensive, and they are the pinnacle of the sport, and all that cool stuff, but freeing up capital for one to increase chick prizes, pay for infrastructure, or, shudder, turn a profit, anything USAC can do would be appreciated.  I mean, am I permitting though UCI, or USAC, or what? 

And I know it's only like 100$.. but still.

Myles
 

#487 From: Adam Myerson <adam@...>
Date: Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:51 pm
Subject: Re: Keeping C1 Status
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Hey, don't you have a race to be worrying about, buddy?

Seriously, I don't think any of us like paying more money, but is it hard to
fathom that USAC would want to classify a UCI sanctioned event as an A class
event? Seems to make sense to me.

I think if there were things to complain about here, it's what is USAC doing
with the extra money? Will we see an increase in the seriousness with which
USAC treats 'cross? Will there be, for instance, true promotion of the fact
that there is a cyclo-cross NRC that is the equivalent of the road NRC? Will
those points be tabulated weekly? Will press releases be sent out? Will it
get the same treatment in general that the road NRC does?

I do think we've seen a gradual increase in services from USAC since we
started putting on these events. People like Susan Diller, for instance,
provide exceptional service, and all of us have access to Shawn and Justin
in a way that we haven't always. But these things I mentioned above are some
of the things I still think are important, and would like to see improved if
I'm paying a larger permit fee.

Adam


on 9/27/06 12:43 PM, myles romanow at bikeguy11968@... wrote:

> Yup. Tom nailed it.. I have a tendencey to remember HALF of all the important
> stuff..
>
> It's really kind of weird.. I mean, let me attempt to get a scnenario going...
>
>
>   First year we SOMEHOW snuck in with series fees.. We did 5 races that year,
> one UCI, all at the same venue, and someone screwed up at USAC so it got in
> with like nothing.
>
> Next year, same deal happened. I somehow convinced them that 2 uci race
> constituted a series event and I forgeet how much I actually paid but it
> wasn't a tonne.
>
>   This year I used the handy dandy calculation form ont he permit app, since I
> knew they both couldn't be series events from last year. So i found my
> payouts, figure it out, and sent off a cheq. Week or so later I got word that
> all permits were moving to A events... Then they started calling saying I owed
> more money..
>
>
> IF I only put on 1 c2 race.  (which was the case 3 years ago.)  First I'm
> looking at the UCI fees... 300$?? (I forget)
>   Then I have to pay for officials.  Which for ME is like 1300$ cause there
> aren't any near by.  Then I give out 7% to USAC, of my 1900$ which is another
> 133$.. So now I've spent what could be an entire prizelist for the women's
> field on permitting.    I mean, yes, UCI races are expensive, and they are the
> pinnacle of the sport, and all that cool stuff, but freeing up capital for one
> to increase chick prizes, pay for infrastructure, or, shudder, turn a profit,
> anything USAC can do would be appreciated.  I mean, am I permitting though
> UCI, or USAC, or what?
>
> And I know it's only like 100$.. but still.
>
> Myles
>

#488 From: Brian Hludzinski <bhlud@...>
Date: Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:05 pm
Subject: RE: UCI CX Race Permit Fees Process ?
bhlud
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And where would one find the "form" ?  I scoured the
UCI site but couldn't find it.

Thank you,
Brian

--- Tom McDaniel <ctmcdaniel@...> wrote:

> Put the check in the mail with the form.   I think
> postage was 80 cents for
> mine.
>
> The address is on the form somewhere.  It is in some
> sort of Euro format.
>
> Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Brian Hludzinski
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 11:01 AM
> To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [USAICO] UCI CX Race Permit Fees Process ?
>
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone have simple instructions on how to send
> the  permit fees to the UCI ?
>
> Thank you,
> Brian
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
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#489 From: kai <kc2738@...>
Date: Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:46 pm
Subject: RE: Keeping C1 Status
kc2738
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Tom,
 
All UCI cyclocross events are permitted as "A" events.  This in compliance with the rule found on page 14(a) in the 2006 USAC General Rule Book.  The rule states that National Championships and International races are Category A races.
 
USAC could solve this issue by putting a check box on the Permit Application if it's a UCI event and state that it is permitted as an "A" category race regardless of the highest payout.
 
Kelly Cline


Tom Stevens <spinarts@...> wrote:
Shawn,
I think that Myles was referring to the line on the competitive event permit app. that says "Highest payout for any one Category".
That would make all the C2  cx events Category D races since the largest payout per category would be in the $1885.00 range. We would therefore have a f permit fee of $50.00 according to the Permit app..
Thanks
Tom Stevens

3-Can something be done about the glorious "a event" status that we get lumped into for Cross?? A c2 event has a required payout of est. 2700$ usd.. Compare that to.... oh, I don't know, manhattan beach GP, or Chris Thater... We're not even on the same scale. Being charged according to our declared prize lists is fair, but being lumped into really large events simply because we have a UCI designation is a little ridiculous. Unless all that extra cash is going to some worth while cause lost to me, in which case strike #3..

Perhaps we should discuss this offline. I am unclear on the issue. For official payments, the UCI races have always been A races. As for permitting, I am unclear how this is any different. Using your numbers, if you have a payout of $2700, you would be a C race on a one day USCF. If you are a C race, your permit fee is 7% of your total prize list. If you are a UCI race, you are an A race, and your permit fee is 7% of your total prize list. Seems to me that you pay the same permit fee whether you are a C race or an A race. Feel free to drop me and email and let me know what I missed here.



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#490 From: kai <kc2738@...>
Date: Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:00 pm
Subject: RE: UCI CX Race Permit Fees Process ?
kc2738
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Address it exactly this way:
 
Union Cycliste Internationale
1860 Aigle
Switzerland


Brian Hludzinski <bhlud@...> wrote:
And where would one find the "form" ? I scoured the
UCI site but couldn't find it.

Thank you,
Brian

--- Tom McDaniel <ctmcdaniel@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Put the check in the mail with the form. I think
> postage was 80 cents for
> mine.
>
> The address is on the form somewhere. It is in some
> sort of Euro format.
>
> Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Brian Hludzinski
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 11:01 AM
> To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [USAICO] UCI CX Race Permit Fees Process ?
>
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone have simple instructions on how to send
> the permit fees to the UCI ?
>
> Thank you,
> Brian
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>



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#491 From: Adam Myerson <adam@...>
Date: Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:11 pm
Subject: Re: UCI CX Race Permit Fees Process ?
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Brian,

You should have received a bill in the mail from the UCI, sent to whatever
address you listed on your inscription form.

Adam


on 9/27/06 2:05 PM, Brian Hludzinski at bhlud@... wrote:

> And where would one find the "form" ?  I scoured the
> UCI site but couldn't find it.
>
> Thank you,
> Brian
>
> --- Tom McDaniel <ctmcdaniel@...> wrote:
>
>> Put the check in the mail with the form.   I think
>> postage was 80 cents for
>> mine.
>>
>> The address is on the form somewhere.  It is in some
>> sort of Euro format.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>> Brian Hludzinski
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 11:01 AM
>> To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [USAICO] UCI CX Race Permit Fees Process ?
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Does anyone have simple instructions on how to send
>> the  permit fees to the UCI ?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brian
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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#492 From: "Jim Brown" <konacross@...>
Date: Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:56 pm
Subject: RE: UCI CX Race Permit Fees Process ?
olyfireguy
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You invoice should have an account # on it.

Last year my bank did a wire transfer, that’s my plan this year as well.

 


From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Hludzinski
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 11:06 AM
To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [USAICO] UCI CX Race Permit Fees Process ?

 

And where would one find the "form" ? I scoured the
UCI site but couldn't find it.

Thank you,
Brian

--- Tom McDaniel <ctmcdaniel@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Put the check in the mail with the form. I think
> postage was 80 cents for
> mine.
>
> The address is on the form somewhere. It is in some
> sort of Euro format.
>
> Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Brian Hludzinski
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 11:01 AM
> To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [USAICO] UCI CX Race Permit Fees Process ?
>
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone have simple instructions on how to send
> the permit fees to the UCI ?
>
> Thank you,
> Brian
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


#493 From: Adam Myerson <adam@...>
Date: Tue Oct 3, 2006 2:19 pm
Subject: Beacon Cross date change
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------ Forwarded Message
> From: <brianburgessbrb@...>
> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:10:09 +0000
> Subject: Re: date change for Beacon Cross? its been changed!!
>
>  "The Beacon CX race date has been changed from October 28th to October 29th.
> Beacon CX is the third race in the Mid Atlantic Championship series, UCI C2
> level race and is a crowd favorite, with an 80m beach run, a tough
> amphitheater
> run up and lots of fast riding through twisty dirt roads. Same course as last
> 2
> years.
>
> So if you want to come out and partake in the pain, the race is Sunday,
> October 29th.
>
>  Bike reg link, to be updated shortly with the new date, is
> http://www.bikereg.com/events/register.asp?eventid=3780."
>
> Thanks to everyone for being flexible and for helping get the word out. And
> thanks to Kim at the Park Dept for giving us a new date on such short notice
> that works for everyone.

------ End of Forwarded Message

#494 From: Adam Myerson <adam@...>
Date: Fri Oct 6, 2006 2:16 pm
Subject: Press releases/results
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Organizers:

Please note the message from Justin below. Help USAC publicize your events
and the entire 'cross NRC by getting your results and releases to them.

Same day results are important if we're going to treat our events as news,
and if we're going to update the NRC standings every week.

Adam
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> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 09:41:10 -0600
> To: Adam Myerson <adam@...>
> Conversation: [USAICO] Beacon Cross date change
> Subject: RE: [USAICO] Beacon Cross date change
>
> Also, if you could let the group know, they can send USA Cycling media
> releases about their event (pre or post) and after they have been
> reviewed will be posted on our site. Please send all releases to
> alee@...

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#495 From: Adam Myerson <adam@...>
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:24 am
Subject: Commission meeting
adamhodgesmy...
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Organizers,

I have a commission meeting via conference call this Thursday morning.

If there's a topic you feel needs addressing, please pass it along, and I
will do my best.

Adam
--
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President, Cycle-Smart, Inc.: Solutions for Cycling
Member, UCI Cyclo-Cross Commission
Member, AIOC-Cross Management Committee
Organizer, Cycle-Smart International Cyclo-Cross

32 Ditson St., #5
Dorchester, MA 02122
(413) 204-3202 Mobile
(617) 288-1460 Office
(512) 681-7043 Fax
adam@...
http://cycle-smart.com

#496 From: Mitch Graham <mitch_biowheels@...>
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:31 am
Subject: Re: Commission meeting
mitch_biowheels
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Well, I'm sure you already had this on your list, but the "riders from 10 different countries thing" comes to mind.

Adam Myerson <adam@...> wrote:
Organizers,

I have a commission meeting via conference call this Thursday morning.

If there's a topic you feel needs addressing, please pass it along, and I
will do my best.

Adam
--
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President, Cycle-Smart, Inc.: Solutions for Cycling
Member, UCI Cyclo-Cross Commission
Member, AIOC-Cross Management Committee
Organizer, Cycle-Smart International Cyclo-Cross

32 Ditson St., #5
Dorchester, MA 02122
(413) 204-3202 Mobile
(617) 288-1460 Office
(512) 681-7043 Fax
adam@cycle-smart.com
http://cycle-smart.com



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#497 From: "Tom McDaniel" <ctmcdaniel@...>
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:36 am
Subject: RE: Commission meeting
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I'm concerned about the 10 foreign riders from 5 different countries that
would be necessary to hold on to C1 status.

I don't have a counter proposal.  I'm not even sure if we consistently get
ten foreign riders and the 5 different countries is way beyond what Granogue
can currently count on.

Tom McDaniel
Granogue Cross

-----Original Message-----
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Adam Myerson
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 11:24 PM
To: USAICO
Subject: [USAICO] Commission meeting

Organizers,

I have a commission meeting via conference call this Thursday morning.

If there's a topic you feel needs addressing, please pass it along, and I
will do my best.

Adam
--
Adam F. Myerson
President, Cycle-Smart, Inc.: Solutions for Cycling
Member, UCI Cyclo-Cross Commission
Member, AIOC-Cross Management Committee
Organizer, Cycle-Smart International Cyclo-Cross

32 Ditson St., #5
Dorchester, MA 02122
(413) 204-3202 Mobile
(617) 288-1460 Office
(512) 681-7043 Fax
adam@...
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#498 From: Joel Brown <METHOD@...>
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:31 pm
Subject: Re: Commission meeting
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Hello Adam and others,

I’d like to see the process for payment of UCI fees simplified. During the last two years I have had problems with the UCI keeping track of my fee payment. This has resulted in my having to send copies of the bank transfer information out to Colorado for verification of payment. In general, I find that the current system is a real pain in the ass... Or, perhaps I’m doing something wrong? For the last five years I’ve had the bank wire Swiss francs to the UCI.

The commission may not be the right place to discuss this issue, perhaps someone out there has found a more efficient and effective technique for paying the UCI? If so, please let me know.

Thank you,
Joel
W.E. Stedman G.P. Of Cross – Rhode Island
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On 10/16/06 11:24 PM, "Adam Myerson" <adam@...> wrote:


 
 

Organizers,

I have a commission meeting via conference call this Thursday morning.

If there's a topic you feel needs addressing, please pass it along, and I
will do my best.

Adam


#499 From: "Tom McDaniel" <ctmcdaniel@...>
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:14 pm
Subject: RE: Commission meeting
ctmcdaniel@...
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We have used a paper check from our regular bank account and US postal service air mail.  Never had a problem with UCI not cashing the check.

 


Tom

Granogue Cross

 


From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joel Brown
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 8:32 AM
To: USAICO
Subject: Re: [USAICO] Commission meeting

 

Hello Adam and others,

I’d like to see the process for payment of UCI fees simplified. During the last two years I have had problems with the UCI keeping track of my fee payment. This has resulted in my having to send copies of the bank transfer information out to Colorado for verification of payment. In general, I find that the current system is a real pain in the ass... Or, perhaps I’m doing something wrong? For the last five years I’ve had the bank wire Swiss francs to the UCI.

The commission may not be the right place to discuss this issue, perhaps someone out there has found a more efficient and effective technique for paying the UCI? If so, please let me know.

Thank you,
Joel
W.E. Stedman G.P. Of Cross – Rhode Island
--
Joel D. Brown, M.Sc.
METHOD Athlete Development, LLC
1110 South Road
Wakefield, Rhode Island 02879
P. 401.742.5604
M. method@...
W. www.methodathlete.com




On 10/16/06 11:24 PM, "Adam Myerson" <adam@...> wrote:


 
 

Organizers,

I have a commission meeting via conference call this Thursday morning.

If there's a topic you feel needs addressing, please pass it along, and I
will do my best.

Adam



#500 From: Tom Stevens <spinarts@...>
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:43 pm
Subject: Re: Commission meeting
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Adam,
As you remember, I would like the issue of the start line up addressed. I would like the ruling to be; at least 8/row with 75 cm per rider. As opposed to 8/row.
Thanks
Tom Stevens

Adam Myerson <adam@...> wrote:
Organizers,

I have a commission meeting via conference call this Thursday morning.

If there's a topic you feel needs addressing, please pass it along, and I
will do my best.

Adam
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President, Cycle-Smart, Inc.: Solutions for Cycling
Member, UCI Cyclo-Cross Commission
Member, AIOC-Cross Management Committee
Organizer, Cycle-Smart International Cyclo-Cross

32 Ditson St., #5
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(413) 204-3202 Mobile
(617) 288-1460 Office
(512) 681-7043 Fax
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http://cycle-smart.com






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#501 From: kjc <kc2738@...>
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2006 2:37 pm
Subject: RE: Commission meeting
kc2738
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Joel,

I agree.  This is not an issue. For four consecutive
years, I have mailed a check (my cycling club's
check), written out in US dollars, sent via USPS to:

Union Cycliste Internationale
CH 1860 Aigle
Switzerland

Kelly Cline
Wissahickon

--- Tom McDaniel <ctmcdaniel@...> wrote:

> We have used a paper check from our regular bank
> account and US postal
> service air mail.  Never had a problem with UCI not
> cashing the check.
>
>
>
>
> Tom
>
> Granogue Cross
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Joel Brown
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 8:32 AM
> To: USAICO
> Subject: Re: [USAICO] Commission meeting
>
>
>
> Hello Adam and others,
>
> I'd like to see the process for payment of UCI fees
> simplified. During the
> last two years I have had problems with the UCI
> keeping track of my fee
> payment. This has resulted in my having to send
> copies of the bank transfer
> information out to Colorado for verification of
> payment. In general, I find
> that the current system is a real pain in the ass...
> Or, perhaps I'm doing
> something wrong? For the last five years I've had
> the bank wire Swiss francs
> to the UCI.
>
> The commission may not be the right place to discuss
> this issue, perhaps
> someone out there has found a more efficient and
> effective technique for
> paying the UCI? If so, please let me know.
>
> Thank you,
> Joel
> W.E. Stedman G.P. Of Cross - Rhode Island
> --
> Joel D. Brown, M.Sc.
> METHOD Athlete Development, LLC
> 1110 South Road
> Wakefield, Rhode Island 02879
> P. 401.742.5604
> M. method@...
> W. www.methodathlete.com
>
>
>
>
> On 10/16/06 11:24 PM, "Adam Myerson"
> <adam@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Organizers,
>
> I have a commission meeting via conference call this
> Thursday morning.
>
> If there's a topic you feel needs addressing, please
> pass it along, and I
> will do my best.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>


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