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--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, Ray Hobbs <ray.hobbs@...> wrote:
>
> List:
> A new book is out today in bookstores:
>
> Jon Latimer, 1812: War with America. Cambridge, MA: Harvard
University
> Press, 2007. (pp. 635) ISBN -13:978-0-674-02584-4
>
> It is a detailed study of the war (look at the number of pages!!)
and
> will take its place alongside Hitsman and Stanley as standard
> treatments of the war, although I think it is better-written than
both.
>
> Jon is British, and is the only British author to write a full-
scale
> treatment on the war. It is ironic that he had to have it
published in
> the States, since no British publishers were interested. As he
cites in
> his introduction It is not that the British have forgotten the
events
> in North America between 1812 and 1815 "for they have been known
> there."
>
> Happy reading
> Yrs etc.
> Ray Hobbs


Ray,
    Are we talking Borders and Barnes and Noble stores?   Whats the
price on this volumn?  Thanks.
Cheers,
Bob Bolton



>
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>

I'm thinking about coming down for the weekend, but I don't camp.? Are there any
lodgings nearby?

Ann Wass
Riversdale House Museum


-----Original Message-----
From: Rob and Stephanie Friar <vastatenavy@...>
To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 4:39 am
Subject: RE: [War Of 1812]boykin's tavern 1812 event






All,

Just a reminder. Registration is due next week for the Boykin's Tavern 1812
event Oct. 6-7. If you plan on attending please get these in as we need the
info for final planning for things like straw, wood, porta-johns, the dinner
and dance on Satruday night, etc.

The registration form can be obtained by going to our web site
www.virginiastatenavy.com <http://www.virginiastatenavy.com/> and clicking
on the picture of the tavern at the bottom of the home page. We will also be
at North Point this weekend, so that would be a good place to get them to me
if you are there. I will have info packets on me as well for the event.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Rob Friar

Fort Norfolk Garrison

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Bob:
The Canadian price is $45, which for an 800 page book (almost) is not
bad.
I ordered it through my local bookstore, which is not part of a chain.
I believe it is available through most of the large chains now.
Ray



On 2-Sep-07, at 9:42 AM, bolton1812 wrote:

> --- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, Ray Hobbs <ray.hobbs@...> wrote:
>  >
>  > List:
>  > A new book is out today in bookstores:
>  >
>  > Jon Latimer, 1812: War with America. Cambridge, MA: Harvard
>  University
>  > Press, 2007. (pp. 635) ISBN -13:978-0-674-02584-4
>  >
>  > It is a detailed study of the war (look at the number of pages!!)
>  and
>  > will take its place alongside Hitsman and Stanley as standard
>  > treatments of the war, although I think it is better-written than
>  both.
>  >
>  > Jon is British, and is the only British author to write a full-
>  scale
>  > treatment on the war. It is ironic that he had to have it
>  published in
>  > the States, since no British publishers were interested. As he
>  cites in
>  > his introduction It is not that the British have forgotten the
>  events
>  > in North America between 1812 and 1815 "for they have been known
>  > there."
>  >
>  > Happy reading
>  > Yrs etc.
>  > Ray Hobbs
>
>  Ray,
>  Are we talking Borders and Barnes and Noble stores? Whats the
>  price on this volumn? Thanks.
>  Cheers,
>  Bob Bolton
>
>  >
>  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>  >
>
>
>

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Elsa and I would like to extend our warmest thanks to Gayle, Richard and the
staff and
   vollunteers of Fairfield museum for all their hard work this past weekend..
   Such a shame that so many units choose not to support this worthy cause.
See you next year,
  Roy and Elsa


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All,

Wanted to express our thanks to all the organizers and reenactors at
yesterday's Battle of Northpoint event. Being first timers to this event,
and introducing a new impression (20th U.S.), we were all very happy we
decided to attend. The weather was beautiful, the site was great, the
reenactors all looked good and I was impressed with the numbers in
attendance, and wow! What a great amount of public in attendance as well!

I was able to visit several units, get involved in interesting
conversations, learn a lot about them, and picked up some great tips on how
to make our impression better and more accurate.

I must say it was a great event for us to drive up to, and plan on doing it
again next year, this time with more members coming along after they hear
what a neat event they missed.

So, once again, thanks so much for  great day!

Rob Friar

Fort Norfolk Garrison (20th U.S.)



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From: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Vince Wilding
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 12:27 AM
To: Honest Jock Matlow
Subject: [War Of 1812] Battle of Bladensburg (64 Pix)



Thanks to Ann Wass and her co-conspirators for hosting such a wonderful
event! The weather was perfect, and it's always fun to shoot at friends
you've just met as well as friends you haven't seen for a while. Being
the sole member of Ship's Company to bring a musket, I was pressed into
the RN and helped shoot up the garden at Riversdale Mansion. Thanks to
Diane Pry for taking pix of the Tactical.

Many cheers to the folks in the Dependency who demonstrated period style
cookery all day. We thoroughly enjoyed the fruits (and veggies and
meats) of their labor at supper.

The pix are at: http://www.WincingD <http://www.WincingDevil.com/BoB2007/>
evil.com/BoB2007/

*Yes, Virginia, there is a Bobby Edwards!
(even though he skipped out before the family photo below)
*
L-R Geoff Graff, Mark Meader Wayne Thompson, Vince Wilding
Brian Brady, Diane Pry, Jean Peterson, Myron Peterson
Steve Jones, sitting on trail
--
*Vince Wilding, AKA Honest Jock Matlow*
SweeteeFace's Memorial Page - www.RobiWilding.com
World's Greatest Father-in-Law - www.AlSnapp.com
Just call me "Popo"! - www.CallMePopo.com
Maritime Music & Merriment - www.LetterOfMarque.org
Splotch, Fuzzee and Minnie's Majordomo - www.ILoveMySphynx.com
Piratical and reenacting stuff - www.WincingDevil.com
Vince (at) VinceWilding (dot) com - www.VinceWilding.com
*MSN:* vwilding *AOL:* WincingDevil *Yahoo:* Wincing_Devil
/(2b || (!2b) = "?") --- William Shakespeare, Hamlet III:i/

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Ann,

Sounds great! Please go to the listed link for lodgings in and around
Smithfield, about 15 min. or so from the tavern.



http://www.smithfield-virginia.com/lodging.html



Rob Friar

Fort Norfolk Garrison (20th U.S)



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From: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of annbwass@...
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 3:05 PM
To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [War Of 1812]boykin's tavern 1812 event



I'm thinking about coming down for the weekend, but I don't camp.? Are there
any lodgings nearby?

Ann Wass
Riversdale House Museum

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob and Stephanie Friar <vastatenavy@
<mailto:vastatenavy%40verizon.net> verizon.net>
To: WarOf1812@yahoogrou <mailto:WarOf1812%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com
Sent: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 4:39 am
Subject: RE: [War Of 1812]boykin's tavern 1812 event

All,

Just a reminder. Registration is due next week for the Boykin's Tavern 1812
event Oct. 6-7. If you plan on attending please get these in as we need the
info for final planning for things like straw, wood, porta-johns, the dinner
and dance on Satruday night, etc.

The registration form can be obtained by going to our web site
www.virginiastatenavy.com <http://www.virginia
<http://www.virginiastatenavy.com/> statenavy.com/> and clicking
on the picture of the tavern at the bottom of the home page. We will also be
at North Point this weekend, so that would be a good place to get them to me
if you are there. I will have info packets on me as well for the event.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Rob Friar

Fort Norfolk Garrison

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On behalf of On-gwe-ho-way Native Reenactment Group, we'd like to
thank Gayle and Richard, Chris and staff of the Fairfield Museum for
a wonderful weekend event.

We were welcomed with open arms, treated royally to sumptous meals,
and enjoyed a true sense of reenactment community.  The battles were
well orchestrated thanks to the British and American Regulars, the
Militia and the Kentuckians and the Provincial Marine Canon Crew who
made it so realistic.  From the comments from the public, they sure
enjoyed it.

Was Moraviantown the site of a major battle of the War of 1812?  No,
not by a long run.  But the horrors of the attack and decimation of
these peaceful peoples depicted the travesty and horrors of war and
we appreciate the opportunity to pay honour to the memory of those
who perished at Moraviantown.

Looking forward to next Labour Day Weekend when once
again, "Fairfield Comes Alive".....BE THERE!!

Greg and Dinah Hunter
(Hunter and Sable)

Hi Ray

I don't know if you know me, I am Jim Hill's Assistant, you already
let us know that your unit is coming to Queenston. I've emailed your
registration form and confirmation number to you. We have a spot
saved for the 41st, and are looking forward to seeing you there.

Vicki
Heritage Dept,
Niagara Parks Commission

--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, Ray Hobbs <ray.hobbs@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Jim:
> I do not know if anyone else has had this problem, but the URL
listed
> for registration for Oct. 13th cannot be found. That is the message
I
> receive when I try to get to it.
> Ray H
> 41st
>
> On 20-Aug-07, at 5:01 PM, Jim Hill wrote:
>
> > Hello All
> >
> >  From everyone at Old Fort Erie - Thank you for the hard work and
> >  support over the siege weekend.
> >
> >  Please put AUGUST 9TH & 10TH, 2008 on your calendar for the 22nd
> >  Annual Blow Out. We will also be hosting a Fenian Raid Event on
JUNE
> >  14TH & 15th, 2008.
> >
> >  We are also looking for unit registrations or unit updates for
the
> >  195th of Queenston Heights 'Forget the Tent Event' on OCTOBER
13TH,
> >  2007. Information and registration is available at the
> >  www.visit1812.com/events/NewsandEvents. Unit commanders should
read
> >  the information before registering and individual registrations
are
> >  NOT required. Pack light as we are attempting to find
accommodations
> >  for everyone in the historic sites of the area. If you have
> >  questions about Queenston, please contact Jim Hill
> > jhill@...
> >
> >  This year, Fort Erie had another increase in reenactor
participants
> >  and visitors. A huge thank you to those dedicated folks who
assisted
> >  with the candle light tours. A record number of people lined up
and
> >  we had a record number of positive comments from visitors.
> >  Congratulations to the award winners on Sunday and we hope
everyone
> >  had a safe trip home.
> >
> >  Thanks again
> >  Peter Martin
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I have been trying to get my name and contact info. removed from the
list of U.S. Units, and have it replaced by that of another person. I
sent an email to someone who I presume was the webmaster, but the
last time I checked it was still up. PLEASE CONTACT ME OFFLIST SO WE
CAN GET THIS RESOLVED.

YH&OS,
T. Yeatman
--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Lozon" <larrylozon@...>
wrote:
>
> "the recreated units list
> or
> "if your so perfect cast the first stone"
>
>
>
> Ladies, Gentlemen and Yahoo Group Subscribers All
>
>
>
>
> Some time ago after Jim Yaworsky created this WarOf1812 Yahoo Group.
>
> I was asked what Military Units were represented on this WarOf1812
> Yahoo Group so I posted a list. I continued to do so until I
> railroaded Michael Mathews into maintaining the list.
>
> I was then asked to create
> http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
>
> This web Site is a list of re-created Military Re-enactment Units
of
> BRITISH ~ CANADIAN ~ MILITIA ~ ALLIED forces located in the United
> States and Canada and their contacts.
>
> This collection of re-created Military Re-enactment Units were
given
> the convenient name of CROWN FORCES NORTH AMERICA {CFNA} to
> differentiate them from a similar group doing the American
> Revolutionary War Time Period.
>
> The Web Site
> http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
>
>  is updated as to units attending Crown Forces Events
> and it is the duty of the contact person to update the Unit's
> information on a yearly basis.
>
>
> As Jim has said "to keep you all on the same page"
>
> I take the liberty to add . . .
>
> Michael Mathews gets no remuneration (is not paid) for maintaining
> the Recreated Units List and does not deserve any negative postings
> as to his work on this list.
>
> He has the thankless job of updating a List of " Recreated Military
> Units that are represented on the Yahoo 1812 OneList"  (and does a
> fine job I might add)
>
> It is just that . . . a list of 'Recreated Military Units' that are
> represented on this WarOf1812 Yahoo Group"
>
> If your Unit's main function is to portray Civilian Camp Life, etc.
> ... then you are not a Recreated Military Unit.  Simple!
>
> Also . . .
>
> Mr. Mathews has the right to maintain this list Units as he sees
fit
> as it is not an official WarOf1812 Yahoo Group list. It is merle a
> list which he is maintaining for the information to subscribers of
> this WarOf1812 Yahoo Group.
>
> It is the responsibility of the Unit Commander to contact Mr.
Mathews
> and request that their unit be listed if it is a Recreated Military
> Unit.
>
> I comment on this as I started the 'Recreated Military Units that
are
> represented on this WarOf1812 Yahoo Group List' for the reasons
> listed above.
>
> I did not remove or alter Jim Yaworsky's post (below) as I think we
> should all read it again.
>
> Yrs.,
> Larry Lozon (L2)
> Upper Canada (Ontario)
>
> United States Forces 1812 http://usforces1812.tripod.com
> Crown Forces North America 1812 http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
> 2007 WAR Of 1812 Events
> http://royal.scots.tripod.com/warof1812eventslist Sutlers &
Merchants
> http://1812crownforces.tripod.com/sutlersmerchants
>
> --------------------------------
>
> "Michael Mathews" wrote:
>
> [snip] The list is exactly what it is; "Recreated Military Units
that
> are represented on the Yahoo 1812 OneList". As such it is a sub-set
> of the greater whole for the information and interest of some.
[snip]
>
>  The two criteria for appearing on the list till now have been:
Being
> on the Yahoo member rolls and someone taking the time to hit reply
and
> say "Here's one more unit I'm in." [snip]
> ……………………….
>
> Jim Yaworsky wrote:
>
> Michael is exactly right on this.
>
> As Moderator, I've always been somewhat bemused by the existence of
> the list we are talking about here. It has no official status,
> confers no specific benefit to the units that are "on" it, and is
> really, it seems to me, not a heck of a lot of use for any practical
> purpose.
>
> One day, way back when, somebody posted an inquiry to the list if
> there was anybody on it who belonged to a certain unit. They had
some
> reason, now long forgotten, for wanting to contact that unit
(whether
> to find out uniform details, or ask if they were going to an event,
or
> something like that...)
>
> Somebody got the idea of making up a Units list. The Events list
> already existed and was and is a very useful source of info. The
> Units list? It might predate the Crown Forces list, and maybe the
> unified American forces list, so might have had more relevance back
> when it was created.
>
> But really, if you have a reason to contact any given unit, you
don't
> have to go and check to see if it's on "the units list". You can
just
> post your query to the List, and presumably if someone from that
unit
> is a member, they'll get back to you.
>
> Or, someone who *is* a member of the list will be able to assist you
> in making contact with the unit you are looking for, if none of its
> members are members of this group.
>
> For that matter, even if the unit *is* on "the list", there's no
> guarantee the unit even still exists. The fact the unit appears on
> the units' list simply means at some point in time, the unit
existed,
> and one of its members *used* to be either a member of this group,
or
> a member of the unit, but has since left one or the other. Or both.
>
> Getting confused yet?
>
> At the moment, "the Units List" is, I suppose, a sort of "one-stop"
> semi-official place you can go to see all the American and
> Anglo-Canadian units that are probably currently active. Maybe. But
> not guaranteed. So if you were looking for something definitive,
> your search would not be over!
>
> As far as I know, nobody bothers to inform Michael Matthews if a
unit
> disbands or becomes inactive... so it might remain on "the list"...
>
> I guess it might be a pride thing to be on this list. Why, I'm not
> quite sure.
>
> Personally, my feeling is if anybody wants their "unit" to be on it,
> then why not? I suspect there are a few "units" on this list that in
> actuality consist of one or two people. Is that a "unit"? So a
> semi-civilian group that actually has a bunch of members and is
> actually turning out for stuff seems to have a good enough claim to
be
> "on the list", to me.
>
> However, Michael's reasoning re: the title of this list - "Re-
created
> *Military* units" also makes sense to me. I don't think Michael is
> trying to put down any group. There is no reason for anybody to be
> taking offense here.
>
> Frankly, this all seems like a bit of a tempest in a teapot.
>
> Michael is in charge of the list. If you are not happy with one of
> his rulings, you can e-mail me off list, and I'll try and "moderate"
> the "issue". Michael will tell me to go to hell, and maybe, you'll
> then get an offer to be the next "official" keeper of "the list"! I
> know I won't be doing it! ;>)
>
> Jim Yaworsky
> Moderator
> ---------------
> Aug 11-12  Fort Erie
> Next Crown Forces Event
>

"tedyeat"  wrote:

  I have been trying to get my name and contact info. removed from the
  list of U.S. Units, and have it replaced by that of another person.
I sent an email to someone who I presume was the webmaster, but the
  last time I checked it was still up. PLEASE CONTACT ME OFFLIST SO WE
  CAN GET THIS RESOLVED.



Ted

I am the webmaster for Crown Forces North America Webpage
http://1812crownforces.tripod.com


For USA FORCES Webpage
http://usforces1812.tripod.com

contact
Betsy Bashore bjbashore(at)buckeye-express.com
She is the web mistress for that webpage

At the bottom of http://usforces1812.tripod.com
It is posted:

To add your unit to the list, please contact
  bjbashore(at)buckeye-express.com

Change (at) to @ since this Yahoo Group does not support email
adresses


Hope this helps
L2

--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, Ray Hobbs <ray.hobbs@...> wrote:
>
> Bob:
> The Canadian price is $45, which for an 800 page book (almost) is not
> bad.
> I ordered it through my local bookstore, which is not part of a chain.
> I believe it is available through most of the large chains now.
> Ray
>


Amazon.ca is selling it for $23.23.  Release date is listed as
September 15.

Jim Yaworsky

Woodland Indian Re-enactor Ralph Arms from Danville, Ohio, was burned
from the waist up at the 18th century Fair at New Boston OH on
Saturday, September 1, 2007 when his cartridge pouch ignited while
participating in a 21-gun salute after the afternoon battle
re-enactment.

Both an ambulance and a helicopter responded to the battlefield.

The full articles from the Springfield News-Sun OH have been uploaded
to the Files section REENACTMENT SAFETY folder in the Word document
file SAFETY - Native Re-enactor Arms Burned 20070902.doc

'Safety requires constant vigilance."

Best wishes to Ralph for a speedy recovery.

Squire




Woodland Indian Re-enactor Ralph Arms from Danville, Ohio, was burned
from the waist up at the 18th century Fair at New Boston OH on
Saturday, September 1, 2007 when his cartridge pouch ignited while
participating in a 21-gun salute after the afternoon battle
re-enactment.

'Safety requires constant vigilance."




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I am sure that Mr. Williams will have considerably more detail (and sage
advice) to offer, as he is FAR more experienced with this sort of thing
than am I, but, FWIW, we were both there, and we asked an organizer
exactly what had happened.  The gentleman in question was not using a
traditional cartridge pouch of any sort, but instead something more
along the lines of a possibles bag, with the flap stitched to the
strap.  He was an experienced re-enactor -- leading one also to the
caveat that "familiarity breeds contempt."

If I understood the discussion correctly, it was deemed far more likely
that there was loose powder in the bag, and that that was what had
ignited, rather than a spark burning through pre-rolled cartridges.  Mr.
Williams?

-- Sioux

Gordon Deans wrote:

'Safety requires constant vigilance."




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I have little to add to the notes that Susan has forwarded.
It is a case of using a "possibles" or "hunting" bag for a purpose it
wasn't designed for, carrying cartridges.
Fortunately, there is plenty of evidence of native warriors carrying
cartridge boxes during the 1812 War so it shouldn't be a problem for
us. These fellows, who have excellent impressions usually do Rev War
and I won't speak to what they are used to there, but as Susan
pointed out we were told that the unfortunate chap had sewn the flap
to the strap, perhaps to ease in retrieving rounds, exposing himself
unnecessarily ?
I hope to hear more details later. The main thing here is that we
keep a good thought for Ralph and hope for a speedy recovery.
We started a collection to help defray the cost  for him. I don't
imagine a Helicopter ride to the hospital is cheap.


Craig
On 3-Sep-07, at 9:05 PM, Susan Spencer wrote:

> I am sure that Mr. Williams will have considerably more detail (and
> sage
> advice) to offer, as he is FAR more experienced with this sort of
> thing
> than am I, but, FWIW, we were both there, and we asked an organizer
> exactly what had happened. The gentleman in question was not using a
> traditional cartridge pouch of any sort, but instead something more
> along the lines of a possibles bag, with the flap stitched to the
> strap. He was an experienced re-enactor -- leading one also to the
> caveat that "familiarity breeds contempt."
>
> If I understood the discussion correctly, it was deemed far more
> likely
> that there was loose powder in the bag, and that that was what had
> ignited, rather than a spark burning through pre-rolled cartridges.
> Mr.
> Williams?
>
> -- Sioux
>
> Gordon Deans wrote:
>
> 'Safety requires constant vigilance."
>
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>
>
>



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I sent her an email last week and never heard anything back. The old
contact is still up. John Sek was supposed to be changing the same
and, though he emailed that this was to be changed over the weekend,
it's the same situation. Someone tell Betsy she's got email.

YH&OS,
T. Yeatman

--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Lozon" <larrylozon@...>
wrote:
>
>
> "tedyeat"  wrote:
>
>  I have been trying to get my name and contact info. removed from
the
>  list of U.S. Units, and have it replaced by that of another
person.
> I sent an email to someone who I presume was the webmaster, but the
>  last time I checked it was still up. PLEASE CONTACT ME OFFLIST SO
WE
>  CAN GET THIS RESOLVED.
>
>
>
> Ted
>
> I am the webmaster for Crown Forces North America Webpage
> http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
>
>
> For USA FORCES Webpage
> http://usforces1812.tripod.com
>
> contact
> Betsy Bashore bjbashore(at)buckeye-express.com
> She is the web mistress for that webpage
>
> At the bottom of http://usforces1812.tripod.com
> It is posted:
>
> To add your unit to the list, please contact
>  bjbashore(at)buckeye-express.com
>
> Change (at) to @ since this Yahoo Group does not support email
> adresses
>
>
> Hope this helps
> L2
>

"tedyeat" < wrote:

  I sent her an email last week and never heard anything back.



Ted

  There was a holiday weekend and some events during that time

  so she may have been away

  Also, some people do not read their email every day

  Some take weeks to respond

  She does not get paid to maintain the website so speed may not be
an issue

On the other hand some units go for years with the wrong info
never informing the webpage of the correct info

Yrs.,
  L2

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Hi!

Does anyone have a schedule of events for the Fanshawe
reenactment?  A semi-professional photographer I know
wants to come and do some shooting (har har... sorry I
couldn't resist) but he doesn't want to miss anything
important.

Thanks,
Beck
89th




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Beck,

We are just working on that and I will post it here tomorrow in
detail. I just want to make sure the village is good with what we have
listed. We are having a meeting tomorrow around 4 and it is on the
agenda. I'll try to post it then with other details which have been
worked out. It will also be added to the event website;
http://fanshawe1812.tripod.com

The village opens at 10am each day and closes at 4:30. Each day there
are quite a few things listed for the public to take in and there are
2 battles each day. The main tactical is at 3 pm on Saturday.

More tomorrow.

Dave Westhouse, re-enactor coordinator
Fanshawe 1812 - The Invasion of Upper Canada

Royal Scots Grenadiers.





Hi!

Does anyone have a schedule of events for the Fanshawe
reenactment? A semi-professional photographer I know
wants to come and do some shooting (har har... sorry I
couldn't resist) but he doesn't want to miss anything
important.

Thanks,
Beck
89th

Hello, once again I'm in need of a ride to Bacchus, and back.  The
difference now is I'm now living in Brampton.  (On Main Street, aka
Hurontario, aka Hwy 10. #64 North of Steeles, south of Queen.)

Will probably be packing wedge tent, etc.

At the moment free to leave anytime Friday (or Saturday for that
matter).  If you can help, please contact me directly rather than by
hitting "Reply".  (I don't bother going into Yahoo Mail that often.)

E-Mail;  jeverett(at)sympatico.ca

Phone:  905-451-7103  (In the P.M. if possible, my landlady doesn't get
up until about Noon.)

Yr Humble, etc.
R. Jason Everett
Brevet-Major, Incorporated Militia of UC
(unless we're playing the other side)

I have heard many conflicting stories and am looking for a definitive
answere. Was there such a thing as the Brown Bess carbine?

--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <aires51@...> wrote:
>
> I have heard many conflicting stories and am looking for a definitive
> answere. Was there such a thing as the Brown Bess carbine?
>

Yes.

Hello all,

Here is the schedule of events for the event at Fanshawe, Sept 29th &
30th. More details on the event will be posted soon and a complete
update sent to company commanders to send on further through their
groups.

This and more information will be posted to the event website;
http://fanshawe1812.tripod.com


Dave Westhouse, Fanshawe 1812
1st (Royal Scots) Rgmt, Grenadier Co.


Fanshawe 1812 - The Invasion of Upper Canada

Schedule of events

Saturday
9:00 	 1st Sergeants call
10:00  Village opens - Morning colours & unit inspection
10:30 	 Morning colours - town square
10:45 	 Musket firing demonstration
11:15 	 Beach battle - beach north west of village
11:45 	 Crown Forces Drums 1812 - town square
12:30  Artillery firing demonstration - battlefield
1:00 	 Crown Forces Drums 1812 - town square
1:20  Skirmish - east end of village
1:45  Camp tour - British camp
2:15  Artillery firing demonstration - battlefield
2:30  Crown Forces Drums 1812 - battlefield
3:00  Battle - battlefield
3:40  Mini-Militia - south Brewery year
4:15  Evening colours - town square
4:30  Village closes
5:00  Evening colours - parade square, military camp
5:30-7:30 Dinner - beach pavilion
7:00-11:00 Dance - beach pavilion

Sunday
10:00  Village opens - Morning colours
10:30 	 Morning colours - town square
11:00 	 Musket firing demonstration - town square
11:15 	 Crown Forces Drums 1812 - town square
11:45 	 Beach battle - beach north west of village
12:30  Artillery firing demonstration - battlefield
1:00  Crown Forces Drums 1812 - town square
1:20  Skirmish - east end of village
1:30  Camp tour - British camp
2:00  Crown Forces Drums 1812 - battlefield
2:30  Battle - battlefield
3:15  Mini-Militia - south Brewery year
4:15  Evening colours - town square - Village closes
4:25  Evening colours - parade square, military camp
4:30  Village closes

James ,
I am referencing the book Red Coat Brown Bess . Mr anthony Darling ,Canadian
Cataloging in Publication Data . Covers the Brown Bess from its inseption ,
Their is no Carbine in his athoratative works . It is not until 1793 that we see
the India Pattern Musket , which is the shortest British approved Pattern , of
the three basic Muskets Long land Short land and India pattern . With all the
lock trumpet pipe and other small deviations , no Carbine .ISBN0919316123 PA
HISTORICAL ARMS SERIES NO 12 . I believe this is a good book and have relied on
it heavily when brown bess conversations come up , he Mr Darling sticks right to
the detail of the orders of the tower and ordinance department . A very
informative work .
I hope this helps the question . If I can look for particular year information
to post please ask and ill quote page no # and years , from the work .
Lloyd Gower
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: James Yaworsky
   To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:25 PM
   Subject: [War Of 1812] Re: Bess carbine


   --- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <aires51@...> wrote:
   >
   > I have heard many conflicting stories and am looking for a definitive
   > answere. Was there such a thing as the Brown Bess carbine?
   >

   Yes.





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James ,
Reading in Mr Darlings works , their are references to Carbines used by Hussars
and Calvalry however these were carbines other than Brown Bess and were 65
caliber . By the 1747  the calvalry was having their Carbines taken away and
replaced by the Bess musket , That is what the ordinance board ordered .
Their is reference to Highlanders being armed with Carbines however this was the
42 inch barreled Bess rather than the 46 inch barreled bess . so still short and
long land pattern . Why they thought the 42 inch barreled gun was a carbine is
beyond me . Thus stated The newly established light infantry carried carbines
with 42 inch barrel 1760 .page 23
However the short land pattern is a 42 in barrel musket , so if you want to call
that a carbine ?
The new land service is also a 42 inch barrel , so why they call the highland
regiment muskets carbines ? They had 42 inch barrels . I am still not comming up
with a bess carbine .
Again Hope this helps . referencing Red coat Brown Bess .
Lloyd Gower
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: James Yaworsky
   To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:25 PM
   Subject: [War Of 1812] Re: Bess carbine


   --- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <aires51@...> wrote:
   >
   > I have heard many conflicting stories and am looking for a definitive
   > answere. Was there such a thing as the Brown Bess carbine?
   >

   Yes.





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Hi Dan

Thai topic was somewhat explored before with a discuss of the
meaning of the term "fusil" on an inspection return for the 41st
Regiment.  The following was referenced as a possible explanation:

http://www.therifleshoppe.com/(788).htm

  1807 Sergeant's Carbine

  This carbine was made especially for NCO's who needed a lighter,
  shorter weapon. Except for smaller dimension it is very similar to
  the India Pattern Musket. This weapon is the same as the India
  Pattern Artillery Carbine which has a 39" barrel compared to the 37"
  barrel on this gun in .66 caliber. The lock plate measures 6 1/8" x
  1 1/6". The throw of the cock is 1 11/16".

Tom Fournier
41st Regiment


--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <aires51@...> wrote:
>
> I have heard many conflicting stories and am looking for a
definitive
> answere. Was there such a thing as the Brown Bess carbine?
>

Thanks for the quick response to my question on the Bess carbine. I
appreciate it, and will leave "punkin chunker" at her regulation 42
inches.

A number of years ago I was looking at lists of stores in the arsenal at
Quebec.?? There were a number of "Black Muskets" in stores just before the war.?
These later morphed into carbines and later?became India Pattern muskets.?? This
all makes sense if the norm for the Canadas was still Short Land Pattern.? The
India Pattern, originally for arming the East India Company army, could be
referred to as a "Black Musket" not because of its colour but in reference to
those expected to shoulder them.? The reference to carbine makes sense given the
shorter barrel (39" vs 42").? However, whether or not these were ever issued to
anyone other than Provincials or Militia escapes my memory.

The Inspection Return for the 41st on Oct 11, 1809 indicates that there were no
fusils issued to the regiment and that four were "wanting."? They were still
"wanting" in the return of June 1810 but had been received by the time of the
May 1811 return.? The 10th Royal Veterans showed that none were issued and none
wanting in that regiment.

In a?Return of Small Arms etc?at Fort George in June, 1812, ?the following are
of interest:?

1553 English Musquets
1030 French Musquets
16, 738 Flints Musquets
60,000 English Musquet cartridge and ball
140,000 French Musquet cartridge and ball
666 Carbine Musquet cartridge and ball
11.10 lbs of Dutch thread
10.0 ditto of twine
2, 140 Paper dozen sheets
64, 200 English lead musquet balls

French muskets are .69 calibre.? Obviously the carbine cartridges contain a ball
that is neither .69 nor .75 calibre.?? No pistol balls are listed.

Ron




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