From: IX Regiment <ixreg@...>

Sorry, a Welsh Gentleman?
...Welshmen in the Army were....not gentlemen.
____________________________________
Sink me, with a name like LOZON,
definitley not Welsh!

But, Sir, a Gentleman to be sure...........
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In a message dated 03/3/2000 2:21:05 PM, lalozon@... writes:

<< Major "B", If you had attended the next sitting of

Major Sandler's 8th Mess, you would have

witnessed a bowl of pureed raw leeks, that

I devoured with no problem. And, having

done so, did announce, that from that time on

all my leeks would be cooked and in smaller

pieces.............. ;-) >>

I probably was there...but may have been playing cricket on the table with
the grapes and cheese by then...

In a message dated 3/3/00 7:12:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,
lheidebrecht@... writes:

<< So did the event in sact happen?
  Len >>
In sact it did!

From the reference, the Dauntless in 1815, would have been a part of the
North American Squadron centred out of Halifax.  The action occurred off the
eastern shore of the Chesapeake near Cambridge on Feb 7, 1815 when the ship's
longboat which was returning from a raid, ran aground.  Stuck, it was quickly
frozen in place and remained there through the night.  The next morning,
American militia used a mound of ice to get within a short distance and
opened fire.  This caused the surrender of the boat and crew.

Such raids of farms and communities were a common feature of the War on the
Chesapeake.  Local historians estimate that there are between 120-150 sites
along the shores of the bay where British intervention took place.  The Royal
Navy kept a presence and blockade of the Chesapeake from Feb 1813 until Feb
1815.

Ed
Royal Marines

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To: <WarOf1812@onelist.com>
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WarOf1812] leeks


> From: BritcomHMP@...
>
> In a message dated 3/3/2000 12:19:58 AM Central Standard Time,
> raintree@... writes:
>
> << Not only are the Leeks to be eaten raw on St. Davids Day, March 1st,
but
>  according to the mess tradation of the Welch Fusiliers it has to be done
>  with one foot on the table and one on a chair while behind a drummmer
>  cermoniously plays a drum roll and the regimental goat stands witness.
AND
>  not only do they eat leeks they wear them in their bearskins too...now
>  that's style! Sorta makes one proud don't it! >>
>
> Enter Captain Gower and Ancient (Ensign) Pistol.
> snip agower@...
Please explain the use of the name Capt Gower , I am interested . Lloyd.

In a message dated 04/3/2000 12:05:53 PM, agower@... writes:

<< > Enter Captain Gower and Ancient (Ensign) Pistol.

> snip agower@...

Please explain the use of the name Capt Gower , I am interested . Lloyd.

  >>

Shakespeare.
(Henry V, if I am not mistaken.)
Ah, the benefit of a classical education....
(and being an actor)
;-)

In a message dated 3/4/2000 1:05:54 PM Central Standard Time,
agower@... writes:

<< > Enter Captain Gower and Ancient (Ensign) Pistol.
  > snip agower@...
  Please explain the use of the name Capt Gower , I am interested . Lloyd.
   >>

Dear Lloyd,

It is a reference to Shakespeare's Henry V. There is a comedy scene in it
(filmed in the superior Olivier version) where Gower (the Welsh captain)
forces Pistol to eat a raw leek for making rude remarks about on St. David's
day because "It was in a place where I could breed no contention with him".

Cheers

Tim

In a message dated 3/4/2000 4:22:33 PM Central Standard Time,
ninety3rd@... writes:

<< Shakespeare.
  (Henry V, if I am not mistaken.)
  Ah, the benefit of a classical education....
  (and being an actor)
  ;-) >>

Ah Mr. B! I thought you would remember Pistols remark about 'knocking his
leek about his head'.

Cheers

Tim

Dearest list people,

Would somebody please be so kind as to post another recipe for hard tack
for me. I should have written it down last time it was posted but alas, I
did not!

Thanks in advance.

Séan

I have to dig it up.
I had a period recipe from the 117th ILL. I made it many times and brought in
the field many times.  It was pasty but edible.  You can try Mechanics Bakery in
Peoria IL.  Number is in the Camp Chase Gazette.  Camp Chase is on the web. 
There hardtack is also made by a Civil War recipe.  But be warned, If you do not
read "Hard Tack and Coffee" by Billings and follow how they ate it.  It is
almost too hard to eat.  I do like there the best though, it has more flavor
than the guy from the 117th.  The other thing you can do is what my Artillery
unit started doing.  They found a sympathetic Pizza joint and they mad what
amounted to thick pizza crust that was the proper size and holes. It was not
bad.  The only thing to rember about Hard tack is you need the holes for
cooking.  I have seen period round and square examples.

Dave Bosse
Americas Friend
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     From: Sean <shirst@...>
     To: WarOf1812@onelist.com <WarOf1812@onelist.com>
     Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 8:02 AM
     Subject: [WarOf1812] hard tack


     From: Sean <shirst@...>

     Dearest list people,

     Would somebody please be so kind as to post another recipe for hard tack
     for me. I should have written it down last time it was posted but alas, I
     did not!

     Thanks in advance.

     Séan



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mix one teaspoon of salt
with one pound of flour.

ship enough water to make
a very stiff dough.

cut the whole into four inch sections
and punch it with holes.

bake in flat pan at 250*
for two to three hours....
enjoy
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         From: Sean <shirst@...>
     post another recipe for hard tack
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Who luvs ya Baby?!?!?!





















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mix one teaspoon of salt
with one pound of flour.

ship enough water to make
a very stiff dough.

cut the whole into four inch sections
and punch it with holes.

bake in flat pan at 250*
for two to three hours....
enjoy
______________________
         From: Sean <shirst@...>
     post another recipe for hard tack
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Here is the recipe
It is from Asst. Surgeon Paulauskas from the 117th ILL. he referes to this as
"Hard Bread"

2 cups all-purpose flour
1/2 teaspoon salt
Knead in 1 tablespoon lard
Mix in 1/2 cup warm water (plus a little more, a tablespoon at a time)
Mix together until batter does not stick to hands
This makes a VERY stiff batter.  BEAT (with mallet, rolling pin, wine bottle) to
1/2 inch thickness. Fold into 6 layers. Beat out to 1/2 thickness and fold 6
layers. Repeat this 6 times (It aint easy), Then roll out to 1/2 thickness
again. cut into 3 1/8" x 2 2/8" x 1/2" thick. put holes in a 5x5 pattern
(facilitates baking). put on a greased cookie sheet at 300 degrees for 1 to 1
1/2 hours. Check after 1 hour overcooking causes it to be brown.
During the Civil war 9 crackers was daily ration (lucky them)

Dave Bosse
Americas Friend


     -----Original Message-----
     From: Sean <shirst@...>
     To: WarOf1812@onelist.com <WarOf1812@onelist.com>
     Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 8:02 AM
     Subject: [WarOf1812] hard tack


     From: Sean <shirst@...>

     Dearest list people,

     Would somebody please be so kind as to post another recipe for hard tack
     for me. I should have written it down last time it was posted but alas, I
     did not!

     Thanks in advance.

     Séan



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I am looking to buy 6 to 10 plastic fifes for an educational program at
Longwoods. Does anyone have suggestions on where to buy these. I had hoped to
buy these at the conference but no one had them. Tom Ross


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Please note that the List Archives, since Onelist has been swallowed
up by E-Groups, has become a much more user-friendly place.  Those
wishing to spend a fun frolic down memory lane should check it out.
You will note the importance of a proper SUBJECT line, so that
"threads" can be easily followed...
By the by, there apparently are 4,576 (oops, this one makes 4,
577...) messages in the archives... each & every one of them, pure
gold...

Jim

The north end of the Battle of Longwoods site is up for sale. The Upper Thames
Military Reenactment Society is in the process of trying to have the land
purchased or reserved as historic site. We will be meeting with the township of
Mossa tomorrow and hope to get their support to preserve the land. The land is
currently owned by the Nova Chemical Company and they already have a conditional
offer on the table. We can only hope that the township can push through some
kind of zoning change to prevent further development. The south side of the site
is being bulldozzed by a very industrious framer. If anyone has any suggestions
on how to approach the township or other agencies please let me know. Tom Ross


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G'Day ye Mainlanders,

An edible version is sold as hardtack (strangely enough) at all the Newfoundland
type stores that Newfs seem to frequent. There are one or two in the Toronto
area. Salt Pork can be found there too...MMMM the delicacies of our newest
province. Try a cod-tongue bye, its gooder'n gold. Hardtack is also sold in
lemon flavour. Boo. Hisss. Oh, in the receipe remember to add the insect life at
about the 6 month stage.

Aaar an it crushed 'im loik da bug dat he was.... ( sorry a famous line from an
1812 video  once saw.)

Nil Farbus (Dentus?) Carborundum,

Len



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Len... what video would that be? Please email reply offline!

>Aaar an it crushed 'im loik da bug dat he was.... ( sorry a famous line
from an 1812 video  once saw.)

The gift shop at Ft George had fifes a couple of years ago.  They were
about seven or eight dollars. They may still have them.  It's worth a try.

Mr Webb if you are still on this list?

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>
> From: "tom ross" <rosst@...>
>
> I am looking to buy 6 to 10 plastic fifes for an educational program at
Longwoods. Does anyone have suggestions on where to buy these. I had hoped
to buy these at the conference but no one had them. Tom Ross
>
...

Hi, List,

     Looking for Peter & Miyoko Twist's e-mail address. Can anyone help?

Lorina
Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage
fine hand-sewn embroidered garments
historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies
http://www.5rivers.org emaiL:info@...

Dear Tom, et al,

> The north end of the Battle of Longwoods site is up for sale. [snip] If
anyone has any suggestions
> on how to approach the township or other agencies please let me know.

1.    Speed and an organized team are of the utmost importance right now.

2.    Arrange discussions with the Ontario Heritage Society to see about
possible intervention/assistance they may be able to provide. They are
basically a 'no-teeth' organization, but with political clout and were in
the past (but I don't know about now and all of dictator-Harris' changes) a
very helpful and knowledgeable bunch.

3.    Enter into discussions with your local LACAC (Local Architectural
Conservancy Architetural Committee). Also a no-teeth organization but with
political clout and political byways.

4.    Get a meeting asap with the next either your development committee
meeting or municipal council, or both, to present your case. You should have
briefs of your presentation delivered ahead of time for council/committee
members' review. This helps tremendously - trust me on this one.

5.    Find out personal contact numbers of committee and council members'
phone numbers/e-mail addresses and diplomatically, rationally and in a
highly efficient manner bombard them with passionate but highly logical
arguments. Get them to lobby on your behalf.

6.    Get the media involved. However you can. Particularly TV. Don't be shy
about drivin the newsrooms at CBC and CTV nuts. The land there is of
national significance not only for its historical value, but its
environmental. I have had major construction projects squashed because of
negative media involvement, not through political intervention, but lack of
public economic support.

7.    Find out what sort of environmentally sensitive area the land is in
and use that to your advantage. I do believe you can contact the Carolinian
Canada Committee and gain their support, as, if I'm not mistaken, this
particular block of land is right in the Carolinian zone and there may be
what are now rare trees and other flora requiring protection. (You use what
you can.)

8.    In that vane, you might also wish to contact the Ontario Federation of
Naturalists, who do have some political clout. They may be able to give you
assistance in regards research and polticial avenues.

9.    Act quickly. In my experience it's the backroom meetings which occur
with lightning rapidity which can throttle any public input. Stay away from
sensationalism. You don't want to appear as rabid NIMBYs. That will serve
you nothing.

     Hope this is of some help.

Lorina
Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage
fine hand-sewn embroidered garments
historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies
http://www.5rivers.org emaiL:info@...

Smoke & Fire
Townsend
both have web pages
or
Lorne Weller-Sutler of the 16
lorneweller@...
in Canada

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Re an "E" From: "Kevin Windsor" <kwind25@...>

The gift shop at Ft George had fifes .......

And also Fort Malden and Fort York........
Kev do you not sell them at your village?
--- y'a may want to start .......?!??!!
























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Re an "E" From: "Five Rivers" <lgsteph@...>
     Looking for Peter & Miyoko Twist's e-mail address.

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I just made some of this vile stuff because I thought "Hey this is
something I should know about!"  The only thing I have to say about hard
tack is
EVIL
EVIL
EVIL
EVIL
EVIL
EVIL
SICK!!
Sean I can't believe you brought this up and subjected me to this
historical anguish!!!
Truly though I could not fathom choking down 9 of those a day!  Does any
one know what they did to make it taste better?  It sort of tastes like
PlayDo (don't ask how I know that)
Here's hoping for better food at this summer's events
Kevin
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> From: "The Bosse Family" <monga589@...>
>
> Here is the recipe
> It is from Asst. Surgeon Paulauskas from the 117th ILL. he referes to
this as "Hard Bread"

<snipped the evil recipe>

OK. Hardtack is out. Has anyone recipe or formula for sealing wax?
Maxine Trottier
maxitrot@...
http://www.execulink.com/~maxitrot/maxine.htm


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We met with Mossa township and they were very receptive to our plan to have the
site preserved. They may have some funds to buy part of the land for sale.
Unfortunately, the land has a conditional offer that may have gone through.
However, we believe that the buyer is unaware of its historic value. Nova
Chemical Co. has not returned any of our calls. We have contacted all levels of
government and we hope to hear back from them soon. Tom Ross


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Re an "E" From: "Kevin Windsor" <kwind25@...>
Does any one know what they did to make it taste better?

Kev,
         take the "hard tack" and add it to the stew or broth as you
heat it over the camp fire. Orm soak in chicken or beef broth.
That is what a Rev friend does and it is tolerable.


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Sean, after delicately putting his point regarding the lack of culinary
merit in hard tack, then wrote:
>It sort of tastes like
> PlayDo (don't ask how I know that)

     Well, inquiring minds want to know.

> Here's hoping for better food at this summer's events

     For what it's worth, there are many forms of biscuit. The version the
army/navy chose was economical. I have made a few biscuit receipts from both
Mrs. McLintock's and Hannah Wooley's bookes on cookery. One in particular
was very yummy: a white bread leavened with barm and flavoured with sweet
spices: jamaica spice (allspice), cloves, nutmeg, cinnamon. Mmmm, yuuummy.
Almost like biscotti, and very wonderful with morning coffee. Hhhhmm, think
I'll have to make up a batch, but that will mean Gary will have to brew some
wonderful dark ale first so I can have the barm. Oh, Gary! Gary! Yoo-hoo!
What do you mean you have to make buckets??!

Lorina
ps. regarding Larry's point about crumbling hardtack into soup or stew:
that's what hardtack was for, or any biscuit: to use as a sop. It's not
meant to munch through like soft bread. Good Lord, man, you'll loose teeth!
Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage
fine hand-sewn embroidered garments
historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies
http://www.5rivers.org emaiL:info@...

>Truly though I could not fathom choking down 9 of those a day!  Does any
>one know what they did to make it taste better?

Kevin:

Ever heard the old saying about hunger making the best sauce?

As a military vet, I can only say that you would be amazed at what you will
eat when you are truly hungry.  When you think about the amount of calories
a soldier can burn marching under a full load and accompanied by nervous
energy, it's a wonder they never stop eating.  Usually the only time a
soldier isn't eating is when he's sleeping.

Scott J.
Royal Marines

On The Trail Magazine has a recipe for ships bread.  They say it is
sometimes call hard tack.  It has honey in it and the taste is not bad.  The
URL is: http://www.ottmagazine.com/feature.htm

Mark

    From: "Kevin Windsor" <kwind25@...>
Subject: Re: hard tack

Does any
one know what they did to make it taste better?