Re: Original Messages
From: Col Sjt Jones <chimera1@...>
>.....steel nib pens were in use in 1812. Use
> them and do not feel embarrassed.
> __________
Larry  -  at 61 years I must admit I cannot document all my
observations (Altshiemers?[sic]).  Although on some subjects I can
profer documentation, pens have not been one of my preoccupations.
But my synopsis of a lot of reading has been that metal nibs were in
use.  Maybe Napolean or his clerks had a hangup.I must leave it to
other more informed people to state the case.
_________________
Doug :

     I just figured as you came back to Max's question so fast and
that you said,
".....steel nib pens were in use in 1812.
Use  them and do not feel embarrassed.    "

I figured you knew for sure that there were indeed steel nibs in
Upper Canada in 1812!

If we tell someone to do something and it isn't Historically Correct
or there is no documentation well ...........you know :^)





































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Kevin Windsor wrote:

> There is a member of the American Civil War Historical Re-enactment
Society, Brooks is his last name and his first name escapes me at the
moment, Tom I think.  He has
> personally documented 43,000 names of Canadian soldiers in the ACW, so
50,000 is not a far stretch!

Andrew writes:

Tom Brooks is the right name.  I remember him from my days in the ACWHRS.
Beware of that 50,000 figure, though, particularly for the Union army, where
90% of the Canadians are listed.  Research done by members of the 4th
Michigan shows that many of the Canadians listed on the roster were "bounty
jumpers" who joined for the large enlistment bounties offered later in the
war and then deserted.

Andrew Bateman, 1/41st

Dear All,
I've been following this pen theme and thought I'd take a look to see if
there was any reference to this in my files.  I have a series of lists taken
from advertisements placed in newspapers from York and Kingston from 1812 to
1815.  These contain virtually everything that was available for sale to the
civilian community during that time and makes fascinating reading.  Most
adverts make no reference whatsoever to anything in the writing line but
occasionally there are references to quills, pen knives, slates and lead
pencils being for sale.  There is also one reference (31 Aug 1813)
from Kingston for "Steel writing pens" .  No price, quantity or description
is included but seems to indicate something other than quills were at least
available.  I'm going to Ottawa later this week and will be in the National
Archives.  From earlier visits I remember seeing list after list of paper,
pens and other writing supplies for the various military departments, but
did not take any particular notice of any differentiation in pens at the
time (my memory seems to recall quills being the predominant item in
question).  If I have a spare moment I'll try to look them up again and
report back next week.
In the mean time, I hope this helps.
Regards Richard Feltoe

I was just wondering if anyone knows or knows were to find the
bugle calls used in the British Army at that time. I have done a
bugler in the ACW even as an officer at the 135th Gettysburg, and
135th Wilderness I used the bugle to keep control of my skirmish
company. But I am real intrested in learning the calls and seeing how
they differ from the ACW calls. And also if they were used mostly just
with just skirmish and light companys.

Thank you very much.
David Fulcher

A few thought on diseases and their treatment in the first half of the
nineteenth century.

The primary seasonal disease in the southern U.S. were malaria and
yellow fever.  These diseases were found in the warm moist climates of
the Caribbean islands, and Mexico as well.  There outbreaks of yellow
fever as far north as Philadelphia and it was no too uncommon in
Charleston.  The British military dreaded   posting to the West Indies
because of the very real chance of dying of disease.

The residents of the southern states of the U.S., Spanish Florida,
Mexico and the other countries in and around the Caribbean often died in
the outbreaks  of yellow fever.  The residents also had ti deal with
malaria which was endemic in the Ohio, Missouri, and Mississippi river
valleys.  There was no understanding that malaria was transmitted by
mosquitoes.  By the 1812 War, the medical community in North America
knew that the treatment for malaria was peruvian bark.  The bark of the
chincona tree of the Andes contained quinine which cured the malarial
symptoms.  (Quinine was not isolated until 1820 in France.)  There was
no accepted treatment for yellow fever that were effective.  (In the
Mexican War[1846-48] a U.S. Army surgeon who was in charge of the Army
General Hospital at Vera Cruz treated his patients with quinine and
calomel (mercury chloride used as a laxative) as the primary treatment.
He comments in the American Journal of the Medical Sciences that andy of
his patients that came to salivation (a side effect of mercury
poisoning) survived the disease.  The constant problem of armies were
diarrhea and dysentery which were regular visitors to armies on
campaign.  Another disease often found in armies far from their source
of supply was scurvy.  Vegetables were hard to get and did not keep well
while being transported.

While the British avoided the yellow fever season,  the cold weather
caused the death of many of the black troops from the Indies who had
never had to endure freezing weather.

I hope that this has answered some of your questions.  I did quite a bit
of research into the medical aspects of the Mexican War and have
published a small book on the subject.  The diseases and treatments
differ very little.

Regards,

Bob
Surgeons Mate
7th U.S. Inf. & Ft. Osage Garrison

An interesting topic.  Just exactly when did "modern" armies begin to use
bugles in complex signalling systems, as in the ACW? One hears of drums
in use in the 18th cent. but not bugles.
Lee.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 05:47:27 -0000 dfulcher5@... writes:
>     I was just wondering if anyone knows or knows were to find the
> bugle calls used in the British Army at that time. I have done a
> bugler in the ACW even as an officer at the 135th Gettysburg, and
> 135th Wilderness I used the bugle to keep control of my skirmish
> company. But I am real intrested in learning the calls and seeing
> how
> they differ from the ACW calls. And also if they were used mostly
> just
> with just skirmish and light companys.
>
> Thank you very much.
> David Fulcher
>
>
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> hundreds of square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the
> fate of THOUSANDS of square miles...
>
>

>But then teachers (or school boards) are conservative in nature.  In
>the 40's (that's the 1940s should anyone be in doubt) in elementary
>school I graduated from pencils to steel nibbed pens and ink wells  -
>  fountain pens were prohibited.  In the 50's in high school fountain
>pens were permitted  -  but not ball points.  Heavens forbid  -  what
>would happen to penmanship?
Sorry but I'm someway off the Forum topic! but in the early sixties in
UK this was still true and by the time I left school in 1969 exam work
was not allowed to be written in what we then called biro! Ah well back
to 1812.

I thought that traditionally goose feathers were the preferred quills,
but I guess anything that came to hand.

Peter
--
IX Regiment

>Andrew writes:
>
>Tom Brooks is the right name.  I remember him from my days in the ACWHRS.
>Beware of that 50,000 figure, though, particularly for the Union army, where
>90% of the Canadians are listed.  Research done by members of the 4th
>Michigan shows that many of the Canadians listed on the roster were "bounty
>jumpers" who joined for the large enlistment bounties offered later in the
>war and then deserted.
Andrew:     Were they in fact Canadians? and if your statement true does
that make it a National Sport? :-)

P**
>
>Andrew Bateman, 1/41st
--
IX Regiment

David,

order the 1799 Exercise for Light Infantry and Riflemen, edited by James L.
Kochan, from www.kingspress.com. It is the manual the rifle and light
infantry regt's of the Brit Army used in the 1812 era, and the bugle call
section in the rear is, acc. to people I know in the ACW scene, the exact
same as was used later on.  (Stephen Allie, any comments?) The book costs
$20.00.

Roger
3/95th (Rifles)

-----Original Message-----
From: dfulcher5@... <dfulcher5@...>
To: WarOf1812@egroups.com <WarOf1812@egroups.com>
Date: 31 October 2000 00:47
Subject: [WarOf1812] Bugle Calls ?


>    I was just wondering if anyone knows or knows were to find the
>bugle calls used in the British Army at that time. I have done a
>bugler in the ACW even as an officer at the 135th Gettysburg, and
>135th Wilderness I used the bugle to keep control of my skirmish
>company. But I am real intrested in learning the calls and seeing how
>they differ from the ACW calls. And also if they were used mostly just
>with just skirmish and light companys.
>
>Thank you very much.
>David Fulcher
>
>
>
>The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds of
square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS of
square miles...
>
>

The Company of Military Historians put out a series of
records sopme years ago, covering the marches, drums,
and bugle calls of different periods. The record
covering the War of 1812 included some bugle calls
(moderator identified) that struck me as being much
different from those of the ACW period. I don't hav
the slightest idea if they are still available, tho.

Fitz




--- lee caripidis <ditlegrec@...> wrote:
> An interesting topic.  Just exactly when did
> "modern" armies begin to use
> bugles in complex signalling systems, as in the ACW?
> One hears of drums
> in use in the 18th cent. but not bugles.
> Lee.
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 05:47:27 -0000
> dfulcher5@... writes:
> >     I was just wondering if anyone knows or knows
> were to find the
> > bugle calls used in the British Army at that time.
> I have done a
> > bugler in the ACW even as an officer at the 135th
> Gettysburg, and
> > 135th Wilderness I used the bugle to keep control
> of my skirmish
> > company. But I am real intrested in learning the
> calls and seeing
> > how
> > they differ from the ACW calls. And also if they
> were used mostly
> > just
> > with just skirmish and light companys.
> >
> > Thank you very much.
> > David Fulcher

>


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-----Original Message-----
From: lee caripidis <ditlegrec@...>
To: WarOf1812@egroups.com <WarOf1812@egroups.com>
Date: 31 October 2000 05:05
Subject: Re: [WarOf1812] Bugle Calls ?


>An interesting topic.  Just exactly when did "modern" armies begin to use
>bugles in complex signalling systems, as in the ACW? One hears of drums
>in use in the 18th cent. but not bugles.
>Lee.

Acc. to Ewald's diaries (he was a colonel of Hessen-Kassel Jaeger) the
German Jaeger)- as well as British light infantry battalions- were already
using circular hunting horns as signalling devices as early as 1776. The
practice was probably also in use by Austrian and Croatian "Pandours", on
whom so many light infantry formations were modelled at this time.

Roger
3/95th (Rifles)

>An interesting topic.  Just exactly when did "modern" armies begin to use
>bugles in complex signalling systems, as in the ACW? One hears of drums
>in use in the 18th cent. but not bugles.
>Lee.


We have documentation indicating the use of bugles by the Royal Marines
during the Washington/Baltimore campaigns.  The documentation states Royal
Marines were used as light infantry flankers.  In the event of enemy
contact, a bugle were blown to rally the troops to its' sound.  The only
thing we don't know is whether the bugles were full-size or those small
hunters' bugles.

Scott J.
Royal Marines

>Acc. to Ewald's diaries (he was a colonel of Hessen-Kassel Jaeger) the
>German Jaeger)- as well as British light infantry battalions- were already
>using circular hunting horns as signalling devices as early as 1776. The
>practice was probably also in use by Austrian and Croatian "Pandours", on
>whom so many light infantry formations were modelled at this time.
>
>Roger
>3/95th (Rifles)


I also recall reading that during the early war New York campaign of the
RevWar, the British light infantry used hunting horns.  As a slur to the
Continentals, the buglers played the hunting tune "Fox Away" when they
started chasing the running Continentals.

Scott J.
Royal Marines

dancingbobd@... wrote:

> A few thought on diseases and their treatment in the first half of the
> nineteenth century.
>
> There was no understanding that malaria was transmitted by
> mosquitoes.

Lt. Col. Bruyeres of the Royal Engineers wrote a letter to Prevost in Sept. 1813
describing the potential of Burlington Heights as a garrison and supply depot. 
His
description contains the following comment:
...the situation is very unhealthy owing to the exhalation of a stagnant swamp
which extends the whole length of the peninsula which is at present very
severely felt by
the troops stationed there, nearly one half of their number being sick.
The 'peninsula' referred to is Burlington Heights, in present-day Hamilton, and
the swamp was Coote's Paradise.  The sickness was obviously attributed to the
swamp
vapours.  The troops there had just spent a summer at the location - first
arriving after Ft. George in May/June, 1813.  Captain Glegg's report on June
3rd, reported
that of 1628 troops billeted at the site, only 21 were sick!  The luckless
103rd, who garrisoned the location in 1814 had well over half their number
continually in sick
bay.
There is today in an obscure spot on the site a mass grave of soldiers and
civilians who died on the Heights of disease.
Just a footnote,
Thanks Bob for your comments
Ray Hobbs
1/41st Foot


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--- In WarOf1812@egroups.com, dfulcher5@j... wrote:
>     I was just wondering if anyone knows or knows were to find the
> bugle calls used in the British Army at that time. There are two types of
bugle calls: 1) General Camp Calls and 2) manouvre calls.  The later are divided
between light infantry and mounted.  The field calls are on the Compnay of
Military Historians 1812 Album.  Even though they are from Duanes handbook of
Riflemen (US) they are an exact copy of the British Calls.  Both the rifle
(light Infantry) and Mounted manouvre drills are available.(my son is a bugler
for both the 14thLD and   The USLD and is now learning the Rifle calls for the
95th.
> they differ from the ACW calls.  They are totally different from ACW calls
which again are divided into field and manouvere both infantry and mounted. 
again I am familiar with the mounted as I portray ACW Cav.  And also if they
were used mostly just
> with just skirmish and light companys.Generally yes and with mounted
troops-different calls however.
>
> Stephen Allie

On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:47:46 -0500 "Scott Jeznach" <scottj@...>
writes:
> >Acc. to Ewald's diaries (he was a colonel of Hessen-Kassel Jaeger)
> the
> >German Jaeger)- as well as British light infantry battalions- were
> already
> >using circular hunting horns as signalling devices as early as
> 1776. The
> >practice was probably also in use by Austrian and Croatian
> "Pandours", on
> >whom so many light infantry formations were modelled at this time.
> >
> >Roger
> >3/95th (Rifles)
>
>
> I also recall reading that during the early war New York campaign of
> the
> RevWar, the British light infantry used hunting horns.  As a slur to
> the
> Continentals, the buglers played the hunting tune "Fox Away" when
> they
> started chasing the running Continentals.
>
> Scott J.
> Royal Marines
>
       `~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hmm,  obviously before Saratoga, eh?
Lee.
>
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>
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> hundreds of square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the
> fate of THOUSANDS of square miles...
>
>

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Jeznach <scottj@...>
To: WarOf1812@egroups.com <WarOf1812@egroups.com>
Date: 31 October 2000 08:44
Subject: Re: [WarOf1812] Bugle Calls ?


>
>
>>An interesting topic.  Just exactly when did "modern" armies begin to use
>>bugles in complex signalling systems, as in the ACW? One hears of drums
>>in use in the 18th cent. but not bugles.
>>Lee.
>
>
>We have documentation indicating the use of bugles by the Royal Marines
>during the Washington/Baltimore campaigns.  The documentation states Royal
>Marines were used as light infantry flankers.  In the event of enemy
>contact, a bugle were blown to rally the troops to its' sound.  The only
>thing we don't know is whether the bugles were full-size or those small
>hunters' bugles.
>
>Scott J.
>Royal Marines


Can't speak for the Marines, but for the 95th it was at first, a horn-
literally, made of a large cow's horn, with a metal rim on the horn end and
a brass mouthpiece. A replica was made in the early 1900s for some Rifle
Brigade officers and presented to the regiment. These were quickly
superseded by long brass bugles (I have seen references to silver or silver
plated, but those are in unattributed secondary works...)  with one bow,
straight pipes, no keys or valve. (Keyed bugles were common in the 19th
century.) Akin to US Army horns later on, but somewhat bigger. Carried on a
green twist or mohair cord, with tassels on the ends. Buglers, at first, had
fringed black and white wings on their uniforms. (The 3rd battalion, 95th
Foot, had white feathering on its musicians coats' seams, although I'm not
yet certain this applied to buglers as well.) The fringed wings were
eventually dropped, as buglers were expected to double as riflemen, so the
latter uniform took precedence. (So much for reversed colors for
musicians....)

And yes, at some point there was a highland coy. (complete with green
bagpipes) in the 95th, due to all the Scotsmen in the battalion!

The 95th did not use coiled hunting horns.

Roger
3/95th (Rifles)

You are correct sir!
The Austrian Light troops of the 7 Years War is what everyone copied (Even that
Prussian guy Fred something). There troops lost there edge when some rocket
scientest thought they would fight better as line troops against Napoleon.
Nrrdless to say they did not like fighting in close order and there preformance
showed. In the end they were againt used as skirmishers and they fought much
better.  Also didn't the British and US use wistles to direct skirmishers?

Dave Bosse
(Americas Friend)


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re: Message
From: Roger Fuller <fullerfamily@...>


(snip) ...I have seen references to silver or silver plated, but those
are in unattributed secondary works...)  with one bow,
straight pipes, no keys or valve. Akin to US Army horns
later on, but somewhat bigger. Carried on a
green twist or mohair cord, with tassels on the ends.
The 95th did not use coiled hunting horns......
______________________________________

Roger et al ~

The correct brass British style bugle is sold by
Ashley Grange Traders complete with green
bugle cord.

The silver plated bugle was supplied to the
British Army in Victorian times by the
Boosey & Hawkes Musical Instrument Company,
and is still used today by the Rifle Brigade Bugle Band.


































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-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Lozon <lalozon@...>
To: WarOf1812@egroups.com <WarOf1812@egroups.com>
Date: 31 October 2000 15:04
Subject: [WarOf1812] Bugles


>re: Message
>From: Roger Fuller <fullerfamily@...>
>
>
>(snip) ...I have seen references to silver or silver plated, but those
>are in unattributed secondary works...)  with one bow,
>straight pipes, no keys or valve. Akin to US Army horns
>later on, but somewhat bigger. Carried on a
>green twist or mohair cord, with tassels on the ends.
>The 95th did not use coiled hunting horns......
>______________________________________
>
>Roger et al ~
>
>The correct brass British style bugle is sold by
>Ashley Grange Traders complete with green
>bugle cord.
>
>The silver plated bugle was supplied to the
>British Army in Victorian times by the
>Boosey & Hawkes Musical Instrument Company,
>and is still used today by the Rifle Brigade Bugle Band.
>
That is correct, Larry. Les Handscombe of the 1/95th in England used to be a
bugler and musician for the same band back when he was in the Rifle Brigade
and later the Royal Green Jackets (when he wasn't fighting in places such as
Malaya....) and used the same coiled bugle. The older silver plated bugle in
repro form is sold by the Discriminating General, but it, like their light
infantry bugle badge they sell, is from the 1820s at the earliest, too late
for our period.

Roger
3/95th (Rifles)

BTW what is the address of Ashley Grange Traders? We have a guy who wants to
be a bugler, as does Stephen Allie's son.

--- In WarOf1812@egroups.com, "Roger Fuller" <fullerfamily@s...>
wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Lozon <lalozon@n...>
> To: WarOf1812@egroups.com <WarOf1812@egroups.com>
> Date: 31 October 2000 15:04
> Subject: [WarOf1812] Bugles
>
>
> >re: Message
> >From: Roger Fuller <fullerfamily@s...>
> >
> >
> >(snip) ...I have seen references to silver or silver plated, but
those
> >are in unattributed secondary works...)  with one bow,
> >straight pipes, no keys or valve. Akin to US Army horns
> >later on, but somewhat bigger. Carried on a
> >green twist or mohair cord, with tassels on the ends.
> >The 95th did not use coiled hunting horns......
> >______________________________________
> >
> >Roger et al ~
> >
> >The correct brass British style bugle is sold by
> >Ashley Grange Traders complete with green
> >bugle cord.
> >
> >The silver plated bugle was supplied to the
> >British Army in Victorian times by the
> >Boosey & Hawkes Musical Instrument Company,
> >and is still used today by the Rifle Brigade Bugle Band.
> >
> That is correct, Larry. Les Handscombe of the 1/95th in England
used to be a
> bugler and musician for the same band back when he was in the Rifle
Brigade
> and later the Royal Green Jackets (when he wasn't fighting in
places such as
> Malaya....) and used the same coiled bugle. The older silver plated
bugle in
> repro form is sold by the Discriminating General, but it, like
their light
> infantry bugle badge they sell, is from the 1820s at the earliest,
too late
> for our period.
>
> Roger
> 3/95th (Rifles)
>
> BTW what is the address of Ashley Grange Traders? We have a guy who
wants to
> be a bugler, as does Stephen Allie's son.

Roger that's twice you have beaten me to the punch first asking about
the bugle and then asking about the address. Thanks so much for the
info on the drill manual I have already ordered it now I will looking
for the bugle, I know just how much the spectators like to see and
hear the bugle at ACW events so I could suspect the same would be the
same at an 1812 event. I also want to thank everyone else that has
posted here about the bugle calls it just lets me know just how
important it is for people to be willing to share what they know
because it is the only way we can all improve ourselves Thank You.

David Fulcher

re: Message
From: Roger Fuller <fullerfamily@...>

what is the address of Ashley Grange Traders?

........................................................

Ashley Grange Traders
RR #1
22799 Kintyre Line
Rodney, Ontario
Canada  N0L 2C0

phone (519) 785 - 2215

Attn: Ken & Elsie Fisher
----------------------------------
They are not on the web
but will be at the Sutler's Day
in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
on Dec 9, 2000.

as per:


-----Original Message-----
From: Christine Marcoux-Bingham <lucknow84@...>
To Larry Lozon <lalozon@...>
Date: Thursday, October 26, 2000 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: Dec 9 Sutler's Day



Our list of sutlers is as follows:

Mrs. McLean's Mercantile
Way Back When... Clothing, Toys etc.
Metis Women's Circle
Carvings
Head of the lake Trading Post
Five Rivers Chapmanry
Four and Twenty Blackbirds
Linda's Early Fashions
Long point Advocate
Wood working
Weaving
Sutler Cyrus
Ashley Grange Traders
Past Reflections
Allan Harps
McLeod Mercantile
Pauline Grondin
Tempest Books
Highland Thistle
The Olde Guard
The Frontier Artist

There will also be period music by Stephen Fuller
as well as legends and stories throughout the day.
Hope to see you there.


Chris Marcoux-Bingham


































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Dear All
If anyone wants to get details of bugle calls and other such information,
Stephen Posner of our group has done a LARGE amount of research on Drum
/Fife and Bugle music.  He has collected some 45 different calls from
various drill manuals appropriate to the War of 1812 and has put them into a
single volume for instruction.  He is currently teaching my son Mark in the
bugle and would probably be happy to communicate with anyone wanting to get
copies of these calls or discuss this topic further.  Just send any requests
to me (on or off list) and I'll pass them onto Steve for a reply.
Regards
Richard Feltoe
feltoe@...

Do you suppose the British became tired of hearing
Yankee Doodle?
        Yes the Bugle calls are in Duanes Manual ....
             Jim Barnwell
--- lee caripidis <ditlegrec@...> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:47:46 -0500 "Scott Jeznach"
> <scottj@...>
> writes:
> > >Acc. to Ewald's diaries (he was a colonel of
> Hessen-Kassel Jaeger)
> > the
> > >German Jaeger)- as well as British light infantry
> battalions- were
> > already
> > >using circular hunting horns as signalling
> devices as early as
> > 1776. The
> > >practice was probably also in use by Austrian and
> Croatian
> > "Pandours", on
> > >whom so many light infantry formations were
> modelled at this time.
> > >
> > >Roger
> > >3/95th (Rifles)
> >
> >
> > I also recall reading that during the early war
> New York campaign of
> > the
> > RevWar, the British light infantry used hunting
> horns.  As a slur to
> > the
> > Continentals, the buglers played the hunting tune
> "Fox Away" when
> > they
> > started chasing the running Continentals.
> >
> > Scott J.
> > Royal Marines
> >
>       `~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Hmm,  obviously before Saratoga, eh?
> Lee.
> >
> > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor
> >
> > The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over
> the fate of
> > hundreds of square miles: in North America,
> hundreds determined the
> > fate of THOUSANDS of square miles...
> >
> >
>


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Richard;
          I would like to order two copies.
             Thank You
                Jim Barnwell
--- "R. Feltoe" <feltoe@...> wrote:
> Dear All
> If anyone wants to get details of bugle calls and
> other such information,
> Stephen Posner of our group has done a LARGE amount
> of research on Drum
> /Fife and Bugle music.  He has collected some 45
> different calls from
> various drill manuals appropriate to the War of 1812
> and has put them into a
> single volume for instruction.  He is currently
> teaching my son Mark in the
> bugle and would probably be happy to communicate
> with anyone wanting to get
> copies of these calls or discuss this topic further.
>  Just send any requests
> to me (on or off list) and I'll pass them onto Steve
> for a reply.
> Regards
> Richard Feltoe
> feltoe@...
>
>
>


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>Roger that's twice you have beaten me to the punch first asking about
>the bugle and then asking about the address.

That's the 95th - first in, last out... :^)

Thanks so much for the
>info on the drill manual I have already ordered it now I will looking
>for the bugle,

I'd like to take a look at one myself, before I buy..

I know just how much the spectators like to see and
>hear the bugle at ACW events so I could suspect the same would be the
>same at an 1812 event.

Well, I have seen bugles carried around at some 1812 events, but not being
played :^).

I also want to thank everyone else that has
>posted here about the bugle calls it just lets me know just how
>important it is for people to be willing to share what they know
>because it is the only way we can all improve ourselves Thank You.

We do what we can. There are some on this list who are writing books on
these various subjects, so look for more info when the books come out.

For what it's worth, considering how much some download and send,
there was a piece in this month's Laptop Mag on this.

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Max

Maxine Trottier
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I believe Richard will come up with a definitive answer.

In the meantime I have done an internet search and would refer you to
www.berol.co.uk/pen which gives a history of the pen from ancient
times onward.

Most sites on the net seem to have to do with fountain pens as
collectibles.  It appears that the work-a-day steel nib in a
nondescript holder is not worthy of mention.

Doug


--- In WarOf1812@egroups.com, "R. Feltoe" <feltoe@h...> wrote:
> Dear All,
> I've been following this pen theme and thought I'd take a look to
see if
> there was any reference to this in my files.  I have a series of
lists taken
> from advertisements placed in newspapers from York and Kingston
from 1812 to
> 1815.  These contain virtually everything that was available for
sale to the
> civilian community during that time and makes fascinating reading.
Most
> adverts make no reference whatsoever to anything in the writing
line but
> occasionally there are references to quills, pen knives, slates and
lead
> pencils being for sale.  There is also one reference (31 Aug 1813)
> from Kingston for "Steel writing pens" .  No price, quantity or
description
> is included but seems to indicate something other than quills were
at least
> available.  I'm going to Ottawa later this week and will be in the
National
> Archives.  From earlier visits I remember seeing list after list of
paper,
> pens and other writing supplies for the various military
departments, but
> did not take any particular notice of any differentiation in pens
at the
> time (my memory seems to recall quills being the predominant item in
> question).  If I have a spare moment I'll try to look them up again
and
> report back next week.
> In the mean time, I hope this helps.
> Regards Richard Feltoe

Was that first in the pub and last out?

Roger Fuller wrote:

> That's the 95th - first in, last out... :^)
>

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Windsor <kevin.windsor@...>
To: WarOf1812@egroups.com <WarOf1812@egroups.com>
Date: 31 October 2000 22:28
Subject: Re: [WarOf1812] Re: Bugles


>Was that first in the pub and last out?
>
>Roger Fuller wrote:
>
>> That's the 95th - first in, last out... :^)


As long as you're buying! :^)

RF