---Derick,
I live in Jerusalem,Israel
Chayim


  In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, Derick Asek <pappond@y...> wrote:
> In which country are you please?
> peace now.
> Derick
>
> rainbowcrystalkitchen2004 <clevin8@h...> wrote:
> NOVEMBER 16th,2004
>
> We intend to build a foot bridge across the Jordan River.From this
> bridge we shall pray for peace in silence.
>
> Come and join us in this action of peace.
>
> Peace now,
> Chayim Levin
>
>
>
>
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That's a very good question, and I was planning on getting back at it.
Be aware that a lot of things we now take for granted and appreciate,
were considered extreme just a few decades ago. Voting rights for women,
40 hour working week, homosexual marriages, to name just a few

Another thing is, that it's too easy to dismiss things just because
they're "extreme". If you disapprove something justly, real arguments
should suffice

Je Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:20:20 -0000, "dracosnwo" <dracosnwo@...> sendis:

> In order to create a government of restrictive freedom,

I'm not sure weather I want one

> then there needs to be a discussion and definition of extremism.  This
> terminology must be set forth by our elected officials.

maybe I don't understand "set forth", but why can't we have all peeple
of the world decide ?

>  I mentioned some possibilities of extremism in my
> first post.  The idea of extremism is dangerous.

I think declaring something "extremist" is dangerous, because it can
lead to a society of homogenised people, with noone sticking out (their
neck, for instance)

> Around the world we see increasing difficulties, like Hatti,

what's Hatti ?

> starvation, disease, and other upsets.

I blame those on capitalism. Another brand of "extremists" blame them on
too much state-intervention in the market


> Is there an alternative to physical currency which would better
> enable us to assist third world countries?

giral money wouldn't be much better. Anyway, if we want currency at all,
I think it should be the people who decide how much and for what
purposes the money is produced(=printed etc), and not banks as it is
now. Many people don't know that there are banks who are allowed to lend
more than they really have: if the people put one billion money-units on
their accounts, this enables the bank to lend out 5 billion (it probably
varies from country to country). The bank decides wether to invest it in
weapons, tamagotchi's or whatever,without any democratic influence
whatsoever. Then, it has the right to get the money back with interest.
And where do you think this payback and interest come from ?


> What is the purpose of the Constitution?

Well, to protect the people from the government and from other
collectives I guess (maybe among other things)

> What ideals should the Constitution embody?

> Should the government have Governors or Ceasers over each region?

how do you define governor and ceaser ?

> How many representatives should be elected from each region?
> Should the number of representative be a ratio of the population?

the world population or the region population ?

> Should the President or Prime Minister be elected by the
> Representatives?  Or, should the President/Prime Minister be elected
> by an electorate?

What would be his/her tasks ?

> These are just a few questions that I have.  But, if we are to
> demand the end of war and the beginning of unity and fair law, then
> we must be prepared with reasonable demands.  The government should
> work for the majority of the people,

No, it should also work for minorities

> those who do not commit crimes

Often crimes are caused/created by legal and economic circumstances. If
a government works as it should, it would prevent those

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hi Derick
               compliment of the day.please it seems as
if i know this name in Cameroon.What ever the case how
are you and your health.presently i am in Congo
Brazzaville and where are you now.
                thanks--- Derick Asek
<pappond@...> wrote: > In which country are you
please?
> peace now.
> Derick
>
> rainbowcrystalkitchen2004 <clevin8@...>
> wrote:
> NOVEMBER 16th,2004
>
> We intend to build a foot bridge across the Jordan
> River.From this
> bridge we shall pray for peace in silence.
>
> Come and join us in this action of peace.
>
> Peace now,
> Chayim Levin
>
>
>
>
> "I have believed that the only way peace can be
> achieved is through world government" (Jawaharal
> Nehru)
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---Derick,
I live in Jerusalem,Israel
Chayim


In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, Derick Asek <pappond@y...> wrote:
> In which country are you please?
> peace now.
> Derick
>
> rainbowcrystalkitchen2004 <clevin8@h...> wrote:
> NOVEMBER 16th,2004
>
> We intend to build a foot bridge across the Jordan River.From this
> bridge we shall pray for peace in silence.
>
> Come and join us in this action of peace.
>
> Peace now,
> Chayim Levin
>
>
>
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Hi
    please can you tell me more about yourself and are
you the person that i know. ---
rainbowcrystalkitchen2004 <clevin8@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
---Derick,
I live in Jerusalem,Israel
Chayim


  In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, Derick Asek
<pappond@y...> wrote:
> In which country are you please?
> peace now.
> Derick
>
> rainbowcrystalkitchen2004 <clevin8@h...> wrote:
> NOVEMBER 16th,2004
>
> We intend to build a foot bridge across the Jordan
River.From this
> bridge we shall pray for peace in silence.
>
> Come and join us in this action of peace.
>
> Peace now,
> Chayim Levin

---Derrick,Why do you think you know me?.Chayim
  In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, Anyik Johnleo <ajohnleo@y...> wrote:
> Hi
>    please can you tell me more about yourself and are
> you the person that i know. ---
> rainbowcrystalkitchen2004 <clevin8@h...> wrote:
>
> ---------------------------------
> ---Derick,
> I live in Jerusalem,Israel
> Chayim
>
>
>  In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, Derick Asek
> <pappond@y...> wrote:
> > In which country are you please?
> > peace now.
> > Derick
> >
> > rainbowcrystalkitchen2004 <clevin8@h...> wrote:
> > NOVEMBER 16th,2004
> >
> > We intend to build a foot bridge across the Jordan
> River.From this
> > bridge we shall pray for peace in silence.
> >
> > Come and join us in this action of peace.
> >
> > Peace now,
> > Chayim Levin

--- What are you doing in Algeria?.
Chayim




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wrote:
>  Dear  Chayim Levin ,
>
>                   I am currently in Maghniya Town of Algeria . It
is to say that you enter my mind . All my effort now is to join the
moving train by making my self to become A CITIZEN OF THE WORLD.
>     THANK YOU VERY MUCH
>    PETER  TABANSI
>
> rainbowcrystalkitchen2004 <clevin8@h...> wrote:
> ---Derick,
> I live in Jerusalem,Israel
> Chayim
>
>
> In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, Derick Asek <pappond@y...> wrote:
> > In which country are you please?
> > peace now.
> > Derick
> >
> > rainbowcrystalkitchen2004 <clevin8@h...> wrote:
> > NOVEMBER 16th,2004
> >
> > We intend to build a foot bridge across the Jordan River.From
this
> > bridge we shall pray for peace in silence.
> >
> > Come and join us in this action of peace.
> >
> > Peace now,
> > Chayim Levin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "I have believed that the only way peace can be achieved is
through
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hi
  how a re you ?  its my pleasure to write you this
mesage to be ur friend  and to strengthen our
friendship
  iam apalestinian young man , 28 years old , live in
Ra,allah City  and work as  a translator ..
i  hold BA  degree in English language  and i believe
in peaceful coexistance in the middle east

thats who iam ..
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  Ramallah
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--- Hello Adel,My name is Chayim.I live in Jerusalem.I'm 50,married
with 3 kids.Let's make peace now.I'm tired of this craziness.I'm
working on a project called Hands Across the Jordan.We, which means
anyone who chooses will build a foot bridge across the Jordan River
from where we pray for peace in silence.Everyone is welcome to
help.Tell me what you think?.
Peace,Chayim

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> i  hold BA  degree in English language  and i believe
> in peaceful coexistance in the middle east
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Hello, FRIEND of World Citizen,

          My name is NORBERT and i'm a BLACK MAN from
the westr Afrca.I welcome you.

                  Hope to hear from you soon.

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Ra,allah City and work as a translator ..
i hold BA degree in English language and i believe
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thats who iam ..
tell me more about u
yours : adel salameh
Ramallah
Palestine

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Hello, all.  I'm a new member.  I just wanted to post this to
  mention that a newly-published novel I've just read deals generally
  with the very problem being discussed here.
    The book is 'Deep Blue - A Novel of Racial Conflict' by John
  Bramhall.  It is available on www.amazon.com and
www.barnes&noble.com.
    'Deep Blue' is a sociological science-fiction novel dealing with
  the social problems resulting when a host group of people throw open
  the floodgates and allow unrestricted immigration to a group of
alien
  hordes.
     Having no respect for the host people's customs or traditions,
the
  alien 'invaders' easily rise within the host society, eventually
  gaining political clout sufficient to allow them to pass laws
  discriminating heavily in their favor, at the expense of the host
  population.
    All who are concerned about immigration and population control
  should read this most prescient novel.

Dear Adel,
I thank God the Almighty for You, My fervent Prayer to
God is for peace and absolute peace to reign in the
middle east.

Infact i am very happy for hearing from you, and i
would our friendship to be a symbol of real peace.

I am A Nigeria and agruate too, I believe in Peace as
the only way to Devlopment.

I would like to hear from You again.

Eggah Yakubu.


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>  how a re you ?  its my pleasure to write you this
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> friendship
>  iam apalestinian young man , 28 years old , live in
> Ra,allah City  and work as  a translator ..
> i  hold BA  degree in English language  and i
> believe
> in peaceful coexistance in the middle east
>
> thats who iam ..
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>   yours :  adel salameh
>  Ramallah
>  Palestine
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Je Thu, 11 Mar 2004 00:22:37 -0000, "trilitfan" <trilitfan@...> sendis:

> Hello, all.  I'm a new member.  I just wanted to post this to
> mention that a newly-published novel I've just read deals generally
> with the very problem being discussed here.

> The book is 'Deep Blue - A Novel of Racial Conflict'

I don't believe in those "races". I heard that genetic diversity _within
the african "race"_ is a lot higher than within non-africans. Conflicts
IMHO arise from discrimination or cultural/mentality-clashes

> 'Deep Blue' is a sociological science-fiction novel dealing with
> the social problems resulting when a host group of people throw open
> the floodgates and allow unrestricted immigration to a group of
> alien hordes.
> Having no respect for the host people's customs or traditions,
> the alien 'invaders' easily rise within the host society, eventually
> gaining political clout

what's "clout" ?

> sufficient to allow them to pass laws discriminating heavily in their
> favor, at the expense of the host population.

What's your opinion ? I think it's too simplistic to take a tough stand in
favour of fighting symptoms (restrict immigration for instance). I don't
think people will move thousands of kilometers, away from friends,
relatives and mother tongue, just for fun. If you want to reduce
migration, you should do something about the conditions (environment,
poverty, political suppression) that people flee from. Let's face it, we
(rich countries/corporations) have been sucking out resources there for
decades.

Another thing that's become clear here in NL, is that we simply haven't
done enough to teach our immigrants our languages and ways. More info on
those ways (in the international media) would help those who consider
migrating to choose a country that suits their convictions

[by the way, nowadays there's a proposal for allowing only those
immigrants who have passed an exam on the dutch language. As if you
could do that in the jungle.  A law allowing international marriages
only to dutch who receive more than 130 % of the minimum-wage is already
in effekt, if I'm not mistaking]

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Hi norbert
You are well come and thank you for your message.
I am now in TOGO for holliday because I am living in
NETHERLAND-AMSTERDAM and I have 3 weeks again I will
leave.
Where are from ?
See you soon.
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hello
  how  are you /
  it is my pleasure to write you this message  to tell
you more  about my country .
i live in Palestine - Holy Land - Jerusalem if  you
know it .
  my country is beautiful and we  have  good and
powerful nature , historical places and geagrafical
importance which give my country spicific significance
.

we  have  Al-Aqsa Holy Mosque , Jericho Old City ,
Dome of The Roch , Jerusalem Wall , and many many
other historical places
.
we  have  Moslems and christians  who live together in
palestine . iwish to see you here  as soon as you can
.
  i invite every body to visit my country and iam
pleased to ofeer  him the help i can .

we are  occupied  by the Israeili Forces and  we  are
struggeling to ge  independance  sooner  or later .
  we  have autonomy now .
  wish you all the best
  and iam happy to be ur friend
  yours :
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  Ramallah
  Palestine

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hello  :
  how are you ?  iam pleased  to  hear from you that
you are interested  in peaceful co-existance and new
era of  god life .
iam interested  too in these  metters  and i hope that
i can find  agroup whereas i can serve as asimple true
world citizen to convey my peaceful message to the
world .

i believe that we can live together with out borders
as friendship and humanity is the most significant
thing we must appreciate .
my  mobile is : 059 393 860
i hope to recieve new e mails or calls to tell me
more  about ur activities and role to build a bridge
between the two people.

have anice time .
  keep in touch
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Excerpts from THE CLANDESTINE BOAT WORKS: Part One -- Logbook for the
Construction of the Sea-Going Vessel "Vera Essie". -William Sherrick
Duncan-Binns, Petty Officer Third Class, United States Naval Reserve,
Retired.

Chapter One -- On Building the GLEN-L 7.9. I am reminded of John
Galt's speech from ATLAS SHRUGGED; the part which suggests that "men
of the mind" should seek to create outposts of rationality away from
the main current of a self-destructive, even suicidal, American
society: "If you find a chance to vanish into some wilderness out of
their reach, do so, but not to exist as a bandit or to create a gang
competing with their racket; build a productive life of your own with
those who accept your moral code and are willing to struggle for a
human existence."
      In LEARNING TO SAIL, I have found the last
remaining "wilderness": the Ocean; the Sea. In SAILING ALONE AROUND
THE WORLD, Captain Joshua Slocum showed me it was possible; I could
rediscover that sense of adventure I had lost after returning from
those countless trips criss-crossing the U.S.A. via Greyhound. I
could overpower the "jaded sense" I acquired transversing
international borders and state lines. Calahan's LEARNING TO SAIL
taught me that frontiers do, in fact, still exist. I hadn't seen
everything and all places aren't basically the same; there are
countries and foreign lands in which it is still possible to hide.
Locations so remote that no superpower nation will deem it vital to
national security interests.
      And, of course, there's the ocean itself.
      Through my extensive research, which I am willing to share, I
will give you an idea of what is still possible in these dying days
of freedom and liberty in the United States of America where I am
presently fugitive, stranger and outcast in my own land; where all
the rules have changed under the U.S.A. PATRIOT ACT, and books like
J.J. Luna's HOW TO BE INVISIBLE and Kenn Abaygo's THE INTERNATIONAL
FUGITIVE don't apply to political reality anymore.
In these United States, and in countless places under its hegemony,
it is simply impossible to mind your business and hope to live a good
and productive life. Nowadays, everyone must be in a patriotic lock-
step.
      My bibliography, the many written works I will recommend, is
extensive. It ranges from books like Ayn Rand's WE THE LIVING,
ANTHEM, THE FOUNTAINHEAD and ATLAS SHRUGGED, to demonstrate a
philosophical base, to the practical "how-tos" of Chapman, Calahan
and Seidman, where the expert fundamentals of competent boat-handling
are disclosed.
      Contact TheClandestineBoatWorks@... for an invitation
to enlist or visit my web-page for The Clandestine Boat Works at:
http://groups.msn.com/TheClandestineBoatWorks/theclandestineboatworks.
msnw

Perhaps I was not clear in my explainations, and if so, I
apologize.  It is true that we are granted many privelages that were
denied us only a short time ago.  Yet, much of the world has opened
its eyes to the needs of humanity, not only the needs belonging to
the "majority" but also those needs of the "minority".  When I spoke
of the "majority" I did not intend to infer that the minority should
be left without a voice.  Rather, I meant that the world population
should have a voice in globalization and the decisions that are
made.  Thus, major decisions would be decided by votes.  This would
constitute the majority.

I agree that the definitions of "extreme" will vary.  After all,
there are many societies with many different beliefs.
However, "extreme" should be considered an action or a way of being
that causes upset to the peaceful endeavors of world citizens.  In
other words, hate speach, demonstrations, and actions that incite
people to violent action against innocent citizens should be frowned
upon and even prosecuted.

Why can't the people, all of the people of the world decide
regarding laws of extremism?  In a way, I have stated that the
people, all of the people should have a voice.  Capitalism is not
the answer.  Communism failed.  Imperialism must find its end.
Citizens must seek synergy through laws and restrictive freedom.
The fact is, the population of the world will never agree to every
law that is enacted.  Therefore, we must have a ruling body that has
been elected by the people that works for the good of both the
majority and the minority.  This voting process allows all people to
have a voice.  However, it does not allow extremist hate speach and
violence.  This minority, the minority of violence and hate speach,
must be condemned by law, else we will continue to allow war,
violence and hate to fester and breed.  The pupose is not
homogenization.  Rather, the purpose is to create a world of peace
and law.

In answer to your comment regarding capitialism.  I agree that
capitalism causes many difficulties.  It thrives on the poor and the
working class.  As I stated earlier, I believe that capitalism is
outdated, and the imperialism is running towards its end.

In regards to currency, there are too many theives and hands in the
pot.  Too much money is misplaced.  It is my opinion that we move
towards a cashless system that would help poor coutries to pay off
their debts and require rich countries (states) to be held
accountable for misapropriation of funds.

Anyhow, I appreciate your comments Ronaldo and hope to hear back
from you.

Michael Dracos



--- In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, "ro-esp" <ro-esp@d...> wrote:
> That's a very good question, and I was planning on getting back at
it.
> Be aware that a lot of things we now take for granted and
appreciate,
> were considered extreme just a few decades ago. Voting rights for
women,
> 40 hour working week, homosexual marriages, to name just a few
>
> Another thing is, that it's too easy to dismiss things just
because
> they're "extreme". If you disapprove something justly, real
arguments
> should suffice
>
> Je Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:20:20 -0000, "dracosnwo" <dracosnwo@y...>
sendis:
>
> > In order to create a government of restrictive freedom,
>
> I'm not sure weather I want one
>
> > then there needs to be a discussion and definition of
extremism.  This
> > terminology must be set forth by our elected officials.
>
> maybe I don't understand "set forth", but why can't we have all
peeple
> of the world decide ?
>
> >  I mentioned some possibilities of extremism in my
> > first post.  The idea of extremism is dangerous.
>
> I think declaring something "extremist" is dangerous, because it
can
> lead to a society of homogenised people, with noone sticking out
(their
> neck, for instance)
>
> > Around the world we see increasing difficulties, like Hatti,
>
> what's Hatti ?
>
> > starvation, disease, and other upsets.
>
> I blame those on capitalism. Another brand of "extremists" blame
them on
> too much state-intervention in the market
>
>
> > Is there an alternative to physical currency which would better
> > enable us to assist third world countries?
>
> giral money wouldn't be much better. Anyway, if we want currency
at all,
> I think it should be the people who decide how much and for what
> purposes the money is produced(=printed etc), and not banks as it
is
> now. Many people don't know that there are banks who are allowed
to lend
> more than they really have: if the people put one billion money-
units on
> their accounts, this enables the bank to lend out 5 billion (it
probably
> varies from country to country). The bank decides wether to invest
it in
> weapons, tamagotchi's or whatever,without any democratic influence
> whatsoever. Then, it has the right to get the money back with
interest.
> And where do you think this payback and interest come from ?
>
>
> > What is the purpose of the Constitution?
>
> Well, to protect the people from the government and from other
> collectives I guess (maybe among other things)
>
> > What ideals should the Constitution embody?
>
> > Should the government have Governors or Ceasers over each region?
>
> how do you define governor and ceaser ?
>
> > How many representatives should be elected from each region?
> > Should the number of representative be a ratio of the population?
>
> the world population or the region population ?
>
> > Should the President or Prime Minister be elected by the
> > Representatives?  Or, should the President/Prime Minister be
elected
> > by an electorate?
>
> What would be his/her tasks ?
>
> > These are just a few questions that I have.  But, if we are to
> > demand the end of war and the beginning of unity and fair law,
then
> > we must be prepared with reasonable demands.  The government
should
> > work for the majority of the people,
>
> No, it should also work for minorities
>
> > those who do not commit crimes
>
> Often crimes are caused/created by legal and economic
circumstances. If
> a government works as it should, it would prevent those
>
>                                       greetings, Ronaldo
>
>
> -- http://www.esperanto.net
> -- Arachne V1.69, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/

I hope that I have not come off sounding pompous.  In truth, I seek
the opinions of others in the group that might be able to give me
insights into these areas I mentioned in former messages.  Peace to
all.

Michael

--- In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, "dracosnwo" <dracosnwo@y...>
wrote:
> In order to create a government of restrictive freedom, then there
> needs to be a discussion and definition of extremism.

Dear Adel,
I thank God the Almighty for You, My fervent Prayer to
God is for peace and absolute peace to reign in the
middle east.

Infact i am very happy for hearing from you, and i
would our friendship to be a symbol of real peace.

I am A Nigeria and agruate too, I believe in Peace as
the only way to Devlopment.

I would like to hear from You again.

Eggah Yakubu.


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> i hold BA degree in English language and i
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--- In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, "ro-esp" <ro-esp@d...> wrote:
> Je Thu, 11 Mar 2004 00:22:37 -0000, "trilitfan" <trilitfan@y...>
sendis:
>
> > Hello, all.  I'm a new member.  I just wanted to post this to
> > mention that a newly-published novel I've just read deals
generally
> > with the very problem being discussed here.
>
> > The book is 'Deep Blue - A Novel of Racial Conflict'
>
> I don't believe in those "races". I heard that genetic diversity
_within
> the african "race"_ is a lot higher than within non-africans.
Conflicts
> IMHO arise from discrimination or cultural/mentality-clashes

Well, that is partially true; while there is little or no real
genetic variation between different ethnic groups, you can classifly
these same groups by their suceptibility to various diseases, namely
heart disease and certain forms of cancer. So in that respect, race
does exist.

> > 'Deep Blue' is a sociological science-fiction novel dealing with
> > the social problems resulting when a host group of people throw
open
> > the floodgates and allow unrestricted immigration to a group of
> > alien hordes.
> > Having no respect for the host people's customs or traditions,
> > the alien 'invaders' easily rise within the host society,
eventually
> > gaining political clout
>
> what's "clout" ?

Clout is another word for influence or power.

> > sufficient to allow them to pass laws discriminating heavily in
their
> > favor, at the expense of the host population.
>
> What's your opinion ? I think it's too simplistic to take a tough
stand in
> favour of fighting symptoms (restrict immigration for instance). I
don't
> think people will move thousands of kilometers, away from friends,
> relatives and mother tongue, just for fun. If you want to reduce
> migration, you should do something about the conditions
(environment,
> poverty, political suppression) that people flee from. Let's face
it, we
> (rich countries/corporations) have been sucking out resources
there for
> decades.

This is true, but we can't just allow unmitigated immigration
into "1st world" countries. In the United States, for instance,
there is a problem with the number of immigrants crossing the
nation's southern border, ignoring the legal immigration process. As
a result, they can't advance in American society because there is a
risk of deportation (Eventually, at least - the Immigration and
Naturalization Service is in complete disarray at this time) and
their host states are going bankrupt due to health care costs (In
many states, public hospitals are required to provide care to
everyone who seeks aid, regardless of their status as a resident. As
a result, hospitals are being overloaded by the large numbers of
illegal immigrants who can't pay their medical expenses). On top of
that, there has been a crime problem due to illegals who entered the
country to avoid prosecution back home.

I aggree that everyone should be given an opporitunity to come to a
more prosperous country and become a productive member of society.
However, immigrants have to enter their "host countries" through
legal channels and abide by the laws and customs of the land.
Besides, there are some people who simply cannot join society or
contribute to the community at large, and therefore cannot be
allowed into the "host country" (I'm thinking specifically of those
who have committed violent crimes).

Cordially,
Lewis

We are a grassroots organization located in the small town of Linda,
Ca. population 13,474.   We are making an effort to promote peace in
the Middle East.  From this small town, things can be done.

Our initiative is named "Hands Across the Jordan."  Our intentions
are to be politically neutral, and pray for peace in the region.
What we wish to do and what we actually do may be two different
things, but pray for peace, we will.  Our primary objective is to get
a large body of people together to show the world's yearning for
peace. This is and will be a worldwide effort.  We wish to build a
PEACE BRIDGE across the Jordan River between the Arab world and the
Israeli world, in an undisputed area of land. We have personally
surveyed and know of an area that meets this criterion. After the
bridge is built, we will gather in a circle across the bridge, join
hands and pray silently.  As you know from your experience in Middle
East, we will need both governments of Israel and Jordan to allow
this action.  This will be non-exclusionary.  All people are invited
and it will be highly publicized.  We have contacts with 1.6 million
people throughout the world via peace groups, environmental groups
and religious organizations. We are in touch with Jordanians,
Palestinians, and Israelis wishing for peaceful solutions to their
ordeal.

It would be an honor to join hands with you on the bridge, as
respected and accomplished representative of world peace.  The
International Day of Tolerance is November 16, 2004; this will be the
day of the event.

Ask yourself, what is peace?  How many types of peace are there?
What makes up peace?  What would you call it, if the only peace I
receive were the understanding that you are as pitiful as I am?
Peace, as most know it, is a state of mind.  Peace of the body, is
mental peace. Peace of the spirit is a God given peace.  As we think
about these questions and statements, we come upon our ability to
think freely.  Isn't this action yet another type of peace?  Not one
is more important than the other is.  We have mental peace, emotional
peace, and environmental peace.  Worldwide peace is the combined
state of minds across the earth.  Each of these can be broken down
into categories.

Mental peace is both emotional and environmental peace. The needs of
the body define and uses all peace, in a true sense.  Appropriately,
to determine mental peace, we must think of states of mind and mental
activity.  Placing duress on any of the types, effects your mind,
such is terrorism.  Soothsayers in the past called these stimuli.
Likes and dislikes are adjusted in ones growth and play important
roles in adjusting to environment and culture.  If you place someone
in an environment that is not of his liking, then what type of peace
can he achieve?  Isn't peace then a mental state of mind?  If I can
teach you want and dislike, can't I teach you to be mentally ill?  It
can be looked at as a mental illness if you haven't the ability to
achieve some state of peace.  Capacity of one's use of his
intelligence also seems to be important because of one's ability to
think.   Should a person be very simple, then only simplistic things
would give him the mental ambiance of peace. Now if a person has a
complex intelligence, shouldn't you think that what is baffling to
the simple mind is only mental exercise of resolve for the complex
thinker.  Difficult problems may offer this person a freedom of
thought that will place him in bliss.  Since peace has been
determined as a state of mind.  Mental environment is noted different
than physical environment although the physical effects the mental.
Now we are coming to the real definition of peace.  Peace is a
virtue, that God is willing to give; even if He has to judge you and
give you a piece of eternity that you deserve.  Many people call
themselves atheists.  This is a choice and another God given virtue.

What ever you equate with effects your peace.  No matter, terrorism
of any form that effects any function emotionally or physically takes
away God's given gift of grace known as peace.  Those that violate
this should live outside God's grace because man's enviable future
has been written as well as the book of life.  Blessed is he that
knows.  If you truly search for Him, you will find Him.  He that is
true to Him will join Him.  May His Holy Spirit touch and be with
you.  A global community is a culture that God would like.  When man
learns to live with man then he has a chance to live with God.

Some quotes from the contrasting sides:

"Once you bring life into the world, you must protect it."  "We must
protect it by changing the world."

"All children of Abraham, to remember it as the dawning of the new
era of peace,"

"They are willing to leave no stone unturned in the search for
peace.  Both peoples deserve peace, and they need the support of all
of those who believe that peace in the Middle East is in everyone's
interest."

We have received endorsements from the following groups and if you
wish, we will send them to you.

Martin Luther King Jr. Center
Wally Herger, Member of Congress
M. K. Gandhi Institute
The Dalai Lama
Bertrand Russell Foundation Ltd., Nottingham, England
Noble Peace Prize Winner, Ellie Wiesel
Phonecall from President William Jefferson Clinton's Office


Respectfully yours,



Rabbi Chayim Levin

Hi
If I might contribute my two cents, I would like to state my opinion that
"extremism" consists not of the nature of the opinion that a person holds,
but rather in the manner that they act upon those opinions. For example, it
is not, in my view, extremist to state "Christianity is the one true
religion, and anyone who believes in any other religion is wrong."  What
would be extremist would be to say, "Christianity is the one true religion,
and I am going to kill anyone who believes in any other religion", and then
go out and do it.   It is the act itself that makes it criminal; not the
belief.  One might say, "I am going to get rich," and the statement would
not be criminal; but if, in the effort to get rich, you exploit your
workers, defraud your customers, and cheat your business partners, then you
have passed over the line. This leaves people to believe whatever they
chose, and removes from the state the necessity (and the temptation) to act
as thought police.  It is a risky, of course, because violent speech often
leads to violent actions.  But it is a necessary risk in a democratic
society, because the suppression of opinions, no matter how distasteful
they may seem, often leads to exactly the violence one meant to avoid.

World Peace and Unity,
Gary

At 08:39 AM 3/17/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>Perhaps I was not clear in my explainations, and if so, I
>apologize.  It is true that we are granted many privelages that were
>denied us only a short time ago.  Yet, much of the world has opened
>its eyes to the needs of humanity, not only the needs belonging to
>the "majority" but also those needs of the "minority".  When I spoke
>of the "majority" I did not intend to infer that the minority should
>be left without a voice.  Rather, I meant that the world population
>should have a voice in globalization and the decisions that are
>made.  Thus, major decisions would be decided by votes.  This would
>constitute the majority.
>
>I agree that the definitions of "extreme" will vary.  After all,
>there are many societies with many different beliefs.
>However, "extreme" should be considered an action or a way of being
>that causes upset to the peaceful endeavors of world citizens.  In
>other words, hate speach, demonstrations, and actions that incite
>people to violent action against innocent citizens should be frowned
>upon and even prosecuted.
>
>Why can't the people, all of the people of the world decide
>regarding laws of extremism?  In a way, I have stated that the
>people, all of the people should have a voice.  Capitalism is not
>the answer.  Communism failed.  Imperialism must find its end.
>Citizens must seek synergy through laws and restrictive freedom.
>The fact is, the population of the world will never agree to every
>law that is enacted.  Therefore, we must have a ruling body that has
>been elected by the people that works for the good of both the
>majority and the minority.  This voting process allows all people to
>have a voice.  However, it does not allow extremist hate speach and
>violence.  This minority, the minority of violence and hate speach,
>must be condemned by law, else we will continue to allow war,
>violence and hate to fester and breed.  The pupose is not
>homogenization.  Rather, the purpose is to create a world of peace
>and law.
>
>In answer to your comment regarding capitialism.  I agree that
>capitalism causes many difficulties.  It thrives on the poor and the
>working class.  As I stated earlier, I believe that capitalism is
>outdated, and the imperialism is running towards its end.
>
>In regards to currency, there are too many theives and hands in the
>pot.  Too much money is misplaced.  It is my opinion that we move
>towards a cashless system that would help poor coutries to pay off
>their debts and require rich countries (states) to be held
>accountable for misapropriation of funds.
>
>Anyhow, I appreciate your comments Ronaldo and hope to hear back
>from you.
>
>Michael Dracos
>
>
>
>--- In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, "ro-esp" <ro-esp@d...> wrote:
> > That's a very good question, and I was planning on getting back at
>it.
> > Be aware that a lot of things we now take for granted and
>appreciate,
> > were considered extreme just a few decades ago. Voting rights for
>women,
> > 40 hour working week, homosexual marriages, to name just a few
> >
> > Another thing is, that it's too easy to dismiss things just
>because
> > they're "extreme". If you disapprove something justly, real
>arguments
> > should suffice
> >
> > Je Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:20:20 -0000, "dracosnwo" <dracosnwo@y...>
>sendis:
> >
> > > In order to create a government of restrictive freedom,
> >
> > I'm not sure weather I want one
> >
> > > then there needs to be a discussion and definition of
>extremism.  This
> > > terminology must be set forth by our elected officials.
> >
> > maybe I don't understand "set forth", but why can't we have all
>peeple
> > of the world decide ?
> >
> > >  I mentioned some possibilities of extremism in my
> > > first post.  The idea of extremism is dangerous.
> >
> > I think declaring something "extremist" is dangerous, because it
>can
> > lead to a society of homogenised people, with noone sticking out
>(their
> > neck, for instance)
> >
> > > Around the world we see increasing difficulties, like Hatti,
> >
> > what's Hatti ?
> >
> > > starvation, disease, and other upsets.
> >
> > I blame those on capitalism. Another brand of "extremists" blame
>them on
> > too much state-intervention in the market
> >
> >
> > > Is there an alternative to physical currency which would better
> > > enable us to assist third world countries?
> >
> > giral money wouldn't be much better. Anyway, if we want currency
>at all,
> > I think it should be the people who decide how much and for what
> > purposes the money is produced(=printed etc), and not banks as it
>is
> > now. Many people don't know that there are banks who are allowed
>to lend
> > more than they really have: if the people put one billion money-
>units on
> > their accounts, this enables the bank to lend out 5 billion (it
>probably
> > varies from country to country). The bank decides wether to invest
>it in
> > weapons, tamagotchi's or whatever,without any democratic influence
> > whatsoever. Then, it has the right to get the money back with
>interest.
> > And where do you think this payback and interest come from ?
> >
> >
> > > What is the purpose of the Constitution?
> >
> > Well, to protect the people from the government and from other
> > collectives I guess (maybe among other things)
> >
> > > What ideals should the Constitution embody?
> >
> > > Should the government have Governors or Ceasers over each region?
> >
> > how do you define governor and ceaser ?
> >
> > > How many representatives should be elected from each region?
> > > Should the number of representative be a ratio of the population?
> >
> > the world population or the region population ?
> >
> > > Should the President or Prime Minister be elected by the
> > > Representatives?  Or, should the President/Prime Minister be
>elected
> > > by an electorate?
> >
> > What would be his/her tasks ?
> >
> > > These are just a few questions that I have.  But, if we are to
> > > demand the end of war and the beginning of unity and fair law,
>then
> > > we must be prepared with reasonable demands.  The government
>should
> > > work for the majority of the people,
> >
> > No, it should also work for minorities
> >
> > > those who do not commit crimes
> >
> > Often crimes are caused/created by legal and economic
>circumstances. If
> > a government works as it should, it would prevent those
> >
> >                                       greetings, Ronaldo
> >
> >
> > -- http://www.esperanto.net
> > -- Arachne V1.69, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
>
>
>
>
>
>"I have believed that the only way peace can be achieved is through world
>government" (Jawaharal Nehru)
>
>For more information: www.worldservice.org and info@...
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Gary K. Shepherd
Documents Center
Morris Library
SIU
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Je Sat, 20 Mar 2004 07:25:12 -0000, "elpresidente235"
<elpresidente235@...> sendis:


>> > The book is 'Deep Blue - A Novel of Racial Conflict'
Ronaldo:
>> I don't believe in those "races". I heard that genetic diversity
> _within
>> the african "race"_ is a lot higher than within non-africans.
> Conflicts
>> IMHO arise from discrimination or cultural/mentality-clashes

> Well, that is partially true; while there is little or no real
> genetic variation between different ethnic groups, you can classifly
> these same groups by their suceptibility to various diseases, namely
> heart disease and certain forms of cancer. So in that respect, race
> does exist.

that's beside the point, unless you've heard of wars between bloodtypes
or such

Ronaldo:
>> I think it's too simplistic to take a tough stand in favour of
>> fighting symptoms (restrict immigration for instance). I don't
>> think people will move thousands of kilometers, away from friends,
>> relatives and mother tongue, just for fun. If you want to reduce
>> migration, you should do something about the conditions
>> (environment, poverty, political suppression) that people flee from.
>> Let's face it, we (rich countries/corporations) have been sucking
>> out resources there for decades.

> This is true, but we can't just allow unmitigated immigration
> into "1st world" countries.

That's why I think we should improve the situations elsewhere. Starting
with not selling our surpluses below the costprices, for instance

> In the United States, for instance,
> there is a problem with the number of immigrants crossing the
> nation's southern border, ignoring the legal immigration process. As
> a result, they can't advance in American society because there is a
> risk of deportation (Eventually, at least - the Immigration and
> Naturalization Service is in complete disarray at this time)

would they be able to advance if they were legalised ? Surely the US is
big enough and rich enough

> and their host states are going bankrupt due to health care costs

Maybe those states don't tax their rich citizens enough

> (In many states, public hospitals are required to provide care to
> everyone who seeks aid, regardless of their status as a resident.

And with good reason. Untreated disease leads to more people being
unable to work or even take care of themselves, thus adding burden to
everybody (well, unless you just kill the sick ..), so in the longer
run, not treating would be more expensive. This is especially true about
for instance tuberculosis

> As a result, hospitals are being overloaded by the large numbers of
> illegal immigrants who can't pay their medical expenses).

Is that because they're underpaid or do indigenous people have similar
problems ?

> On top of that, there has been a crime problem due to illegals who
> entered the country to avoid prosecution back home.

Hmm, if they flee from prosecution one would expect that they would do
their utmost to prevent capture (and subsequent extradition). Maybe it's
their failing to find a decently paid job, or other illegality-connected
factors that drive them to crime.

Where I live, 80 % of crime is committed by a few dozen illegal-drug-
addicts. I hope to see the day that those substances are finally
legalised (like that other very hard drug, alcohol), but that aside

> I agree that everyone should be given an opportunity to come to a
> more prosperous country and become a productive member of society.

I don't want mere "opportunity", I want everybody to be able to live a
"decent" life, wherever

> However, immigrants have to enter their "host countries" through
> legal channels

if they can, they will

> and abide by the laws and customs of the land.

do they have enough ways to find out about those ? It would help them
pick the most suited for them, but in reality many refugees don't even
know where they flee to untill they get there.
If they choose to go to the US or UK, I suspect that it has more to do
with what language you learn in school and what movies you see than with
the laws and customs

> Besides, there are some people who simply cannot join society or
> contribute to the community at large, and therefore cannot be
> allowed into the "host country" (I'm thinking specifically of those
> who have committed violent crimes).

That would be worth a different thread. Anyone ?

              greetings, Ronaldo



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