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Has Mr. Davis every considered interviewing Prof. Baratta on this program? I think he would be excellent, with his knowledge of world government history.

World Peace and Unity,
Gary

Gary K. Shepherd

Editor, United World Magazine

http://uwcdwg.tripod.com/

From: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of legal@...
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 11:26 PM
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WorldCitizen] World Citizen Internet Radio! May 24th Program

This Thursday Night from 9 to 11 PM EST or 1 to 3 am GMT, Garry Davis will talk about how and why he claimed world citizenship in 1948, recalling anecdotes and stories from his 65 years as World Citizen #1.

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#9059

From: "Arthur Kanegis" <arthur@...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2012 6:13 am
Subject: RE: Can you help Translate the Garry Davis World Citizen 5 minute movie?

Arthurkanegis

The Garry Davis Movie Project is looking for volunteer translators to quickly translate scripts and materials from English into Spanish and French – and later into other languages as well. We need a Spanish language translation the first video at: www.onefilms.com IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS! We need it to create Spanish Subtitles for a film festival with a deadline this month!

If you are interested in volunteering or know someone who is, please email FutureWaveMovie@...

Thanks,

Arthur Kanegis

#9060

From: "Arthur Kanegis" <arthur@...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2012 7:12 am
Subject: Por favor, traducir el Garry Davis "Ciudadano del Mundo", la pel�cula en espa�ol - Translate World Citizen movie?

Arthurkanegis

If you are interested in volunteering or know someone who is, please reply to this posting with a copy to: �FutureWaveMovie@...

Thanks,

Arthur Kanegis

#9061

From: Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2012 4:39 pm
Subject: Re: zipcodes [2 Attachments]

ima_very_coo...

In most cases mail will reach its destination. So why this debate over it and why use it?

The reason for zip (postal) codes in all countries is to expedite the mail process and make it faster and less costly for the postal service. I don't really have any objection to doing that myself.

Using postal codes can make a letter which is machine sorted arrive up to 3 days sooner than a letter that has to be pulled out and manually sorted and it keeps postage rates down.

The Zip (postal) code contains NO ADDED INFORMATION that threatens individual privacy except the city from which the letter was mailed. That even could be misleading because someone may drop a letter in the mail at the neighboring town from work.

Andrew

From: Joseph Toman <joseph_toman@...>
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes [2 Attachments]

THEY MADE YOU.

WISE UP

From: Brenda Zak <bzstylehive@...>
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes

Hi Louis

I don't use zip codes either and everything gets to where it is addressed to. My question is, what about when sending a letter certified or registered mail, or return receipt? The post office clerk made me put a zip code on the return receipt, is that true? Could I have disputed that?

Brenda

From: Louis ... <louis.ny2001@...>
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes

Call up the USPS and ask them one question:
"If I don't place a ZIP CODE on a letter, will the letter get to its destination?".
That's all. Just ask that. Don't talk about other stuff.

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From: ro-esp <ro-esp@...>
Subject: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 8, 2011, 4:23 PM

louis.ny2001@... sendis:

> I also suggest you not use any ZIP codes when mailing letters,
> packages, etc.., and have others omit that ZIP code when mailing
> anything to you.
> A ZIP code is NOT needed when sending first-class mail (.44 cent stamp).

Does mail come in classes?

> And actually the only thing a ZIP code does is place you in the
> Federal Zone (FEDERAL JURISDICTION).
> I send letters and don't put ZIP codes on them. Not only that, I
> often don't even put a return address. And my letters and packages
> get to their destination often FASTER than when they have a ZIP code.
> ZIP codes are just basically a trick to rope someone into becoming a
> U.S. Citizen and therefore fall within their CORPORATION
> JURISDICTION.
> ZIP codes serve no useful purpose to any flesh and blood man/woman.
> Quite the opposite. ZIP codes are total scams.

Well, can anyone back up this statement with anything? Outhere in the
netherlands, postal codes allow mail to be sorted by machines, and
they prevent mail from going to a different village with the same name
( a problem which is partly caused by hollanders butchering local
village-names and making them official, but that aside)

groetjes, Ronaldo

--
http://www.esperanto.net http://www.moneyasdebt.net

#9062

From: Tribhuvun Tribhuvun <tribhuvun@...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2012 4:42 pm
Subject: Re: World Citizen Internet Radio! May 24th Program

tribhuvun...

Tnx bt can u send me more material about relivence of world government.

tribhuvan

From: Gary Shepherd <gshepher@...>
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:13 PM
Subject: RE: [WorldCitizen] World Citizen Internet Radio! May 24th Program

Has Mr. Davis every considered interviewing Prof. Baratta on this program? I think he would be excellent, with his knowledge of world government history.

World Peace and Unity,
Gary

Gary K. Shepherd

Editor, United World Magazine

http://uwcdwg.tripod.com/

#9063

From: "Louis ..." <louis.ny2001@...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2012 8:12 pm
Subject: Re: zipcodes [2 Attachments]

louis.ny2001

Thanks.
But your files didn't open at all.
I'd like to see those files though.

--- On Tue, 5/22/12, Joseph Toman <joseph_toman@...> wrote:

From: Joseph Toman <joseph_toman@...>
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes [2 Attachments]
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 5:16 AM

THEY MADE YOU.
WISE UP

From: Brenda Zak <bzstylehive@...>
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes

Hi Louis
I don't use zip codes either and everything gets to where it is addressed to. My question is, what about when sending a letter certified or registered mail, or return receipt? The post office clerk made me put a zip code on the return receipt, is that true? Could I have disputed that?
Brenda

From: Louis ... <louis.ny2001@...>
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes

Call up the USPS and ask them one question:
"If I don't place a ZIP CODE on a letter, will the letter get to its destination?".
That's all. Just ask that. Don't talk about other stuff.

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From: ro-esp <ro-esp@...>
Subject: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 8, 2011, 4:23 PM

louis.ny2001@... sendis:

> I also suggest you not use any ZIP codes when mailing letters,
> packages, etc.., and have others omit that ZIP code when mailing
> anything to you.
> A ZIP code is NOT needed when sending first-class mail (.44 cent stamp).

Does mail come in classes?

> And actually the only thing a ZIP code does is place you in the
> Federal Zone (FEDERAL JURISDICTION).
> I send letters and don't put ZIP codes on them. Not only that, I
> often don't even put a return address. And my letters and packages
> get to their destination often FASTER than when they have a ZIP code.
> ZIP codes are just basically a trick to rope someone into becoming a
> U.S. Citizen and therefore fall within their CORPORATION
> JURISDICTION.
> ZIP codes serve no useful purpose to any flesh and blood man/woman.
> Quite the opposite. ZIP codes are total scams.

Well, can anyone back up this statement with anything? Outhere in the
netherlands, postal codes allow mail to be sorted by machines, and
they prevent mail from going to a different village with the same name
( a problem which is partly caused by hollanders butchering local
village-names and making them official, but that aside)

groetjes, Ronaldo

--
http://www.esperanto.net http://www.moneyasdebt.net

#9064

From: "Redaktion Buergerwelle e.V. (BI Omega-CI Omega)" <star.mail@...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2012 8:15 am
Subject: Omega-News Collection 26. May 2012

rudkla

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Iraq War
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http://freepage.twoday.net/topics/Iraq+War+-+Irak+Krieg/
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Is Iran next?
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http://sharenews.twoday.net/topics/Iran/
http://freepage.twoday.net/topics/Is+Iran+next/
http://omega.twoday.net/topics/Is+Iran+next/

RFID
http://www.sharenews-blog.com:8090/helma/twoday/sharenews/topics/RFID/
http://freepage.twoday.net/topics/RFID/
http://omega.twoday.net/topics/RFID/

EMF-Omega-News 26. May 2012
http://www.buergerwelle.de:8080/helma/twoday/bwnews/stories/3969/

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#9065

From: "anton" <amalkin@...>
Date: Wed May 30, 2012 6:36 am
Subject: Re: zipcodes [2 Attachments]

antonmalkin

I personally find this topic funny. Imagine someone with envelope at my door
trying to bring me in some troubles just because I put some number on it?
Quite paranoid, isn't it? I would give him an address of the next psychiatrist.

Really, postal codes are there to speed up my post, nothing more. To get some
duties, I have to sign some paper with that duties listed. That's the law, and
nobody can claim anything from me unless explicitly signed.

Sincerely
Anton

--- In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...>
wrote:
>
> In most cases mail will reach its destination. So why this debate over it and
why use it?
>
>
> The reason for zip (postal) codes in all countries is to expedite the mail
process and make it faster and less costly for the postal service.  I don't
really have any objection to doing that myself.
>
> Using postal codes can make a letter which is machine sorted arrive up to 3
days sooner than a letter that has to be pulled out and manually sorted and it
keeps postage rates down.
>
> The Zip (postal) code contains
> NO ADDED INFORMATION that threatens individual privacy except the city
> from which the letter was mailed.  That even could be misleading because
someone may drop a letter in the mail at the neighboring town from
> work.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Joseph Toman <joseph_toman@...>
> To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes [2 Attachments]
>
>
>  
> [Attachment(s) from Joseph Toman included below]
> THEY MADE YOU.
> WISE UP
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Brenda Zak <bzstylehive@...>
> To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 6:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
>
>
>  
> Hi Louis
> I don't use zip codes either and everything gets to where it is addressed to.
My question is, what about when sending a letter certified or registered mail,
or return receipt? The post office clerk made me put a zip code on the return
receipt, is that true? Could I have disputed that?
> Brenda
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Louis ... <louis.ny2001@...>
> To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
>
>
>  
> Call up the USPS and ask them one question:
> "If I don't place a ZIP CODE on a letter, will the letter get to its
destination?". 
> That's all.  Just ask that.  Don't talk about other stuff.
>
>
>
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> --- On Sat, 10/8/11, ro-esp <ro-esp@...> wrote:
>
>
> >From: ro-esp <ro-esp@...>
> >Subject: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
> >To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
> >Date: Saturday, October 8, 2011, 4:23 PM
> >
> >
> > 
> >louis.ny2001@... sendis:
> >
> >> I also suggest you not use any ZIP codes when mailing letters,
> >> packages, etc.., and have others omit that ZIP code when mailing
> >> anything to you.
> >> A ZIP code is NOT needed when sending first-class mail (.44 cent 
stamp).  
> >
> >Does mail come in classes?
> >
> >> And actually the only thing a ZIP code does is place you  in the
> >> Federal Zone (FEDERAL JURISDICTION).
> >> I send letters and don't put ZIP codes on them.  Not only that, I
> >> often don't even put a return address.  And my letters and packages
> >> get to their destination often FASTER than when they have a ZIP code.
> >> ZIP codes are just basically a trick to rope someone into becoming a
> >>  U.S. Citizen and therefore fall within their CORPORATION
> >> JURISDICTION.
> >> ZIP codes serve no useful purpose to any flesh and blood man/woman. 
> >>  Quite the opposite.  ZIP codes are total scams.
> >
> >Well, can anyone back up this statement with anything? Outhere in the
> >netherlands, postal codes allow mail to be sorted by machines, and
> >they prevent mail from going to a different village with the same name
> >( a problem which is partly caused by hollanders butchering local
> >village-names and making them official, but that aside)
> >
> >groetjes, Ronaldo
> >
> >--
> >http://www.esperanto.net  http://www.moneyasdebt.net
> >
> >
>

#9066

From: "Louis ..." <louis.ny2001@...>
Date: Wed May 30, 2012 7:55 pm
Subject: Re: zipcodes

louis.ny2001

It seems that you're not getting the point (sorry).
Zip codes do NOT make mail go faster or easier for you.
Quite the CONTRARY.
I send mail without zip codes and they arrive at their destination FASTER by at least a day than if I'd put a zip code.

You deal with zip codes and you just submitted yourself to their JURISDICTION.
You deal WITHOUT zip codes and they treat you better, as a Foreign Diplomat.
It's quite simple.

Zip codes do NOT help your mail arrive faster. All they do is SUBMIT you and the people you're mailing to into the FEDERAL DISTRICT and their rules and commands. Nothing positive for you nor any of us.

Sorry that a few of us here insist on busting fantasy bubbles.

--- On Fri, 5/25/12, Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...> wrote:

From: Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...>
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, May 25, 2012, 4:39 PM

In most cases mail will reach its destination. So why this debate over it and why use it?

The reason for zip (postal) codes in all countries is to expedite the mail process and make it faster and less costly for the postal service. I don't really have any objection to doing that myself.

Using postal codes can make a letter which is machine sorted arrive up to 3 days sooner than a letter that has to be pulled out and manually sorted and it keeps postage rates down.

The Zip (postal) code contains NO ADDED INFORMATION that threatens individual privacy except the city from which the letter was mailed. That even could be misleading because someone may drop a letter in the mail at the neighboring town from work.

Andrew

From: Joseph Toman <joseph_toman@...>
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes [2 Attachments]

THEY MADE YOU.
WISE UP

From: Brenda Zak <bzstylehive@...>
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes

Hi Louis
I don't use zip codes either and everything gets to where it is addressed to. My question is, what about when sending a letter certified or registered mail, or return receipt? The post office clerk made me put a zip code on the return receipt, is that true? Could I have disputed that?
Brenda

From: Louis ... <louis.ny2001@...>
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes

Call up the USPS and ask them one question:
"If I don't place a ZIP CODE on a letter, will the letter get to its destination?".
That's all. Just ask that. Don't talk about other stuff.

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--- On Sat, 10/8/11, ro-esp <ro-esp@...> wrote:

From: ro-esp <ro-esp@...>
Subject: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 8, 2011, 4:23 PM

louis.ny2001@... sendis:

> I also suggest you not use any ZIP codes when mailing letters,
> packages, etc.., and have others omit that ZIP code when mailing
> anything to you.
> A ZIP code is NOT needed when sending first-class mail (.44 cent stamp).

Does mail come in classes?

> And actually the only thing a ZIP code does is place you in the
> Federal Zone (FEDERAL JURISDICTION).
> I send letters and don't put ZIP codes on them. Not only that, I
> often don't even put a return address. And my letters and packages
> get to their destination often FASTER than when they have a ZIP code.
> ZIP codes are just basically a trick to rope someone into becoming a
> U.S. Citizen and therefore fall within their CORPORATION
> JURISDICTION.
> ZIP codes serve no useful purpose to any flesh and blood man/woman.
> Quite the opposite. ZIP codes are total scams.

Well, can anyone back up this statement with anything? Outhere in the
netherlands, postal codes allow mail to be sorted by machines, and
they prevent mail from going to a different village with the same name
( a problem which is partly caused by hollanders butchering local
village-names and making them official, but that aside)

groetjes, Ronaldo

--
http://www.esperanto.net http://www.moneyasdebt.net

#9067

From: Bud Weiser <beercanhideout@...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2012 11:31 am
Subject: Re: Re: zipcodes

beercanhideout

Use of the ZIP Code is voluntary. See Domestic Mail Services Regulations, Section 122.32. You should also know that the Postal service can not discriminate against the non-use of the ZIP Code. See "Postal Reorganization Act", Section 403, (Public Law 91-375). The federal government utilizes the ZIP code to prove that you reside in a "federal district of the District of Columbia". This is why the IRS and other government agencies (state and federal) require a ZIP Code when they assert jurisdiction by sending you a letter. They claim that this speeds the mail, but this is a sly and subtle TRICK. It is also prima facie evidence that you are a subject of Congress and a "citizen of the District of Columbia" who is "resident" in one of the several States.

The receipt of mail with a ZIP code is one of the requirements for the IRS to have jurisdiction to send you notices. The government cannot bill a Citizen of Illinois, because he is not within the purview of the MUNICIPAL LAWS of the District of Columbia. In fact, the Internal Revenue Service has adopted the ZIP code areas as Internal Revenue Districts. See the Federal Register, Volume 51, Number 53, Wednesday, March 19, 1986.

You must remember that the Postal Service is a private corporation, a quasi-governmental agency. It is no longer a full government agency. It is like the Federal Reserve System, the Internal Revenue Service, and the United States Marshall Service. They are all outside the restrictions of the Federal Constitution, as private corporations. They are all powerful in their respective areas of responsibility to enforce collection for the federal debt. So, if you are using a ZIP code, you are in effect saying openly and notoriously that you do not live in the State of Illinois, but, instead are a resident in the Illinois area of the District of Columbia (a federal district). There are some so-called Patriot groups that I consider to be patriots for money. They advocate the use of Title 42 suits (which are for federal citizens only), send mail to you with a ZIP Code, and ask you to do things that place you within the municipal jurisdiction of the District of Columbia.

Remember these individuals may be agents of the government or, even worse, are advocating a one-world government by the use of the Social Security number and the ZIP code.

So you must be aware of the movement towards a one-world government through annihilation or elimination of State Citizens by use of the so-called 14th Amendment and its related laws.

I personally only monitor this group for the purpose of gaining knowledge of the so-called one world government. I do not subscribe to its thesis.

--- On Wed, 5/30/12, anton <amalkin@...> wrote:

From: anton <amalkin@...>
Subject: [WorldCitizen] Re: zipcodes
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2012, 1:36 AM

I personally find this topic funny. Imagine someone with envelope at my door trying to bring me in some troubles just because I put some number on it?
Quite paranoid, isn't it? I would give him an address of the next psychiatrist.

Really, postal codes are there to speed up my post, nothing more. To get some duties, I have to sign some paper with that duties listed. That's the law, and nobody can claim anything from me unless explicitly signed.

Sincerely
Anton

--- In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...> wrote:
>
> In most cases mail will reach its destination. So why this debate over it and why use it?
>
>
> The reason for zip (postal) codes in all countries is to expedite the mail process and make it faster and less costly for the postal service.Â I don't really have any objection to doing that myself.
>
> Using postal codes can make a letter which is machine sorted arrive up to 3 days sooner than a letter that has to be pulled out and manually sorted and it keeps postage rates down.
>
> The Zip (postal) code contains
> NO ADDED INFORMATION that threatens individual privacy except the city
> from which the letter was mailed.Â That even could be misleading because someone may drop a letter in the mail at the neighboring town from
> work.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Joseph Toman <joseph_toman@...>
> To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes [2 Attachments]
>
>
> Â
> [Attachment(s) from Joseph Toman included below]
> THEY MADE YOU.
> WISE UP
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Brenda Zak <bzstylehive@...>
> To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 6:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
>
>
> Â
> Hi Louis
> I don't use zip codes either and everything gets to where it is addressed to. My question is, what about when sending a letter certified or registered mail, or return receipt? The post office clerk made me put a zip code on the return receipt, is that true? Could I have disputed that?
> Brenda
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Louis ... <louis.ny2001@...>
> To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
>
>
> Â
> Call up the USPS and ask them one question:
> "If I don't place a ZIP CODE on a letter, will the letter get to its destination?".Â
> That's all.Â Just ask that.Â Don't talk about other stuff.
>
>
>
> NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail,
> you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing
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>
> --- On Sat, 10/8/11, ro-esp <ro-esp@...> wrote:
>
>
> >From: ro-esp <ro-esp@...>
> >Subject: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
> >To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
> >Date: Saturday, October 8, 2011, 4:23 PM
> >
> >
> >Â
> >louis.ny2001@... sendis:
> >
> >> I also suggest you not use any ZIP codes when mailing letters,
> >> packages, etc.., and have others omit that ZIP code when mailing
> >> anything to you.
> >> A ZIP code is NOT needed when sending first-class mail (.44 cent stamp).Â Â
> >
> >Does mail come in classes?
> >
> >> And actually the only thing a ZIP code does is place you in the
> >> Federal Zone (FEDERAL JURISDICTION).
> >> I send letters and don't put ZIP codes on them.Â Not only that, I
> >> often don't even put a return address.Â And my letters and packages
> >> get to their destination often FASTER than when they have a ZIP code.
> >> ZIP codes are just basically a trick to rope someone into becoming a
> >> U.S. Citizen and therefore fall within their CORPORATION
> >> JURISDICTION.
> >> ZIP codes serve no useful purpose to any flesh and blood man/woman.Â
> >> Quite the opposite.Â ZIP codes are total scams.
> >
> >Well, can anyone back up this statement with anything? Outhere in the
> >netherlands, postal codes allow mail to be sorted by machines, and
> >they prevent mail from going to a different village with the same name
> >( a problem which is partly caused by hollanders butchering local
> >village-names and making them official, but that aside)
> >
> >groetjes, Ronaldo
> >
> >--
> >http://www.esperanto.net http://www.moneyasdebt.net
> >
> >
>

#9068

From: "Louis ..." <louis.ny2001@...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2012 1:35 pm
Subject: Re: Re: zipcodes

louis.ny2001

Interesting that several of you people insist in the fantasy that zip codes speed up your mail.
Why is it that when I send a letter from New York to California with no zip code the letter gets there in two days. But when I put a zip code on it the letter gets there in four to five days ?
I really wish that some of you brainiacs that keep insisting on "Paranoid Pete" and his posse would explain that simple thing to me.
Yous don't understand simple pimple things so yous insist that "this topic is funny" and that people are "paranoid".
Interesting.

--- On Wed, 5/30/12, anton <amalkin@...> wrote:

From: anton <amalkin@...>
Subject: [WorldCitizen] Re: zipcodes
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2012, 6:36 AM

I personally find this topic funny. Imagine someone with envelope at my door trying to bring me in some troubles just because I put some number on it?
Quite paranoid, isn't it? I would give him an address of the next psychiatrist.

Really, postal codes are there to speed up my post, nothing more. To get some duties, I have to sign some paper with that duties listed. That's the law, and nobody can claim anything from me unless explicitly signed.

Sincerely
Anton

--- In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...> wrote:
>
> In most cases mail will reach its destination. So why this debate over it and why use it?
>
>
> The reason for zip (postal) codes in all countries is to expedite the mail process and make it faster and less costly for the postal service.Â I don't really have any objection to doing that myself.
>
> Using postal codes can make a letter which is machine sorted arrive up to 3 days sooner than a letter that has to be pulled out and manually sorted and it keeps postage rates down.
>
> The Zip (postal) code contains
> NO ADDED INFORMATION that threatens individual privacy except the city
> from which the letter was mailed.Â That even could be misleading because someone may drop a letter in the mail at the neighboring town from
> work.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Joseph Toman <joseph_toman@...>
> To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes [2 Attachments]
>
>
> Â
> [Attachment(s) from Joseph Toman included below]
> THEY MADE YOU.
> WISE UP
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Brenda Zak <bzstylehive@...>
> To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 6:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
>
>
> Â
> Hi Louis
> I don't use zip codes either and everything gets to where it is addressed to. My question is, what about when sending a letter certified or registered mail, or return receipt? The post office clerk made me put a zip code on the return receipt, is that true? Could I have disputed that?
> Brenda
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Louis ... <louis.ny2001@...>
> To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
>
>
> Â
> Call up the USPS and ask them one question:
> "If I don't place a ZIP CODE on a letter, will the letter get to its destination?".Â
> That's all.Â Just ask that.Â Don't talk about other stuff.
>
>
>
> NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail,
> you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing
> its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the
> sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and
> any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you.
>
> --- On Sat, 10/8/11, ro-esp <ro-esp@...> wrote:
>
>
> >From: ro-esp <ro-esp@...>
> >Subject: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
> >To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
> >Date: Saturday, October 8, 2011, 4:23 PM
> >
> >
> >Â
> >louis.ny2001@... sendis:
> >
> >> I also suggest you not use any ZIP codes when mailing letters,
> >> packages, etc.., and have others omit that ZIP code when mailing
> >> anything to you.
> >> A ZIP code is NOT needed when sending first-class mail (.44 cent stamp).Â Â
> >
> >Does mail come in classes?
> >
> >> And actually the only thing a ZIP code does is place you in the
> >> Federal Zone (FEDERAL JURISDICTION).
> >> I send letters and don't put ZIP codes on them.Â Not only that, I
> >> often don't even put a return address.Â And my letters and packages
> >> get to their destination often FASTER than when they have a ZIP code.
> >> ZIP codes are just basically a trick to rope someone into becoming a
> >> U.S. Citizen and therefore fall within their CORPORATION
> >> JURISDICTION.
> >> ZIP codes serve no useful purpose to any flesh and blood man/woman.Â
> >> Quite the opposite.Â ZIP codes are total scams.
> >
> >Well, can anyone back up this statement with anything? Outhere in the
> >netherlands, postal codes allow mail to be sorted by machines, and
> >they prevent mail from going to a different village with the same name
> >( a problem which is partly caused by hollanders butchering local
> >village-names and making them official, but that aside)
> >
> >groetjes, Ronaldo
> >
> >--
> >http://www.esperanto.net http://www.moneyasdebt.net
> >
> >
>

#9069

From: Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2012 11:31 pm
Subject: Re: zipcodes

ima_very_coo...

We will have to agree to disagree about this.

As a World Citizen and living according to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, individuals are responsible to obey the laws and submit to the civil authority wherever they are living even if they are a World Citizen.

As a World Citizen i have the right to MOVE and Vote With My Feet and go where the surroundings are more to my liking. i do not have the right to be an anarchist and live according to my own code of laws.

Some people read more into things like Postal Codes than is actually true. they were developed by the post office to expedite mail delivery.

Andrew

From: Louis ... <louis.ny2001@...>
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes

From: Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...>
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, May 25, 2012, 4:39 PM

In most cases mail will reach its destination. So why this debate over it and why use it?

The reason for zip (postal) codes in all countries is to expedite the mail process and make it faster and less costly for the postal service. I don't really have any objection to doing that myself.

Using postal codes can make a letter which is machine sorted arrive up to 3 days sooner than a letter that has to be pulled out and manually sorted and it keeps postage rates down.

The Zip (postal) code contains NO ADDED INFORMATION that threatens individual privacy except the city from which the letter was mailed. That even could be misleading because someone may drop a letter in the mail at the neighboring town from work.

Andrew

From: Joseph Toman <joseph_toman@...>
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes [2 Attachments]

THEY MADE YOU.
WISE UP

From: Brenda Zak <bzstylehive@...>
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes

Hi Louis
I don't use zip codes either and everything gets to where it is addressed to. My question is, what about when sending a letter certified or registered mail, or return receipt? The post office clerk made me put a zip code on the return receipt, is that true? Could I have disputed that?
Brenda

From: Louis ... <louis.ny2001@...>
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes

Call up the USPS and ask them one question:
"If I don't place a ZIP CODE on a letter, will the letter get to its destination?".
That's all. Just ask that. Don't talk about other stuff.

NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail,
you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing
its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the
sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and
any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you.

--- On Sat, 10/8/11, ro-esp <ro-esp@...> wrote:

From: ro-esp <ro-esp@...>
Subject: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 8, 2011, 4:23 PM

louis.ny2001@... sendis:

> I also suggest you not use any ZIP codes when mailing letters,
> packages, etc.., and have others omit that ZIP code when mailing
> anything to you.
> A ZIP code is NOT needed when sending first-class mail (.44 cent stamp).

Does mail come in classes?

> And actually the only thing a ZIP code does is place you in the
> Federal Zone (FEDERAL JURISDICTION).
> I send letters and don't put ZIP codes on them. Not only that, I
> often don't even put a return address. And my letters and packages
> get to their destination often FASTER than when they have a ZIP code.
> ZIP codes are just basically a trick to rope someone into becoming a
> U.S. Citizen and therefore fall within their CORPORATION
> JURISDICTION.
> ZIP codes serve no useful purpose to any flesh and blood man/woman.
> Quite the opposite. ZIP codes are total scams.

Well, can anyone back up this statement with anything? Outhere in the
netherlands, postal codes allow mail to be sorted by machines, and
they prevent mail from going to a different village with the same name
( a problem which is partly caused by hollanders butchering local
village-names and making them official, but that aside)

groetjes, Ronaldo

--
http://www.esperanto.net http://www.moneyasdebt.net

#9070

From: "lawsofworld8" <lawsofworld8@...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2012 9:44 am
Subject: lawsofworld

lawsofworld8

An Act of Parliament is a statute enacted as primary legislation enacted by a
national or sub-national parliament. In the Republic of Ireland   the term Act
of the Oireachtas is used, and in the United States the term Act of Congress is
used for more details logon to www.lawsofworld.com

#9071

From: "kathhyjones" <kathhyjones@...>
Date: Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:04 am
Subject: What You Probably Knew Already

kathhyjones

The survey tested adult Americans on 10 random questions taken directly from the US Citizen Test . In a concurrent survey, the Center found that 77% of native-born citizens agreed that all Americans should be able to pass the Immigration Test . Furthermore, 60% agreed that high school students should have to pass the naturalization test as a requirement for graduation. 59% of survey respondents could not name one power of the federal government, 77% could not name one power of the states, and 62% could not name the Governor of their state.

#9072

From: "Evgenii" <epustota@...>
Date: Sat Jun 2, 2012 11:17 am
Subject: Using WOrld Passport to start having a real and unchanged name. (ru)

epustota

Hello dear World Citizens!
I have a question regarding obtaining a nationality.
Or even two questions.

1) Is there a way I can get a World Citizenship and change my surname at the
time of obtaining it so surname in my World Passport is different from surname
of my father I own now? I promise that I will do everything possible to change
my surname to my new chosen surname - Pustota - in Russian passport as well!

2) Also in Russia we have another serious problem. NAMES. Russians do not have
the right to have their names settled in English language! One could have
passport on the name Alexei first - "foreign" passport, not "russian" one we use
to travel inside our Russian Federation - then Alexey and finally it could be
Aleksei if he would simply renew her passprot without trying to change the way
government acts. Seriously!
In short, I have an idea to have World Citizen passport used to help me to
establish a right to have MY REAL NAME!!!!
It would be this way. In Russia, when getting "foreign" passport, you could
apply for your name to be written IN YOUR OWN WAY if you have any FOREIGN paper
proving that under Name X you have the following rights - e.g. bank account,
marriage certificate, visa, green card. It doesn't mean you can have Ivanov
instead of Petrov, but to prove that you have to be Schmidt but not Shmidt or
Smith or not Smigt that may really, really work.
Also why I want World Passport on new surname - like some foreign citizens
getting USA citizenship change their name at naturalization time - so be sure
that change of surname would be allowed in Russia as then it would mean I
ALREADY use my new surname. (That's Pustota, no secrets!)
And then second use of World Passport would be to make our authorities to ALWAYS
write my name as Evgenii, not as they could make it Evgeny, Evgueni, Evgeny,
Yevgeny, Evgenii, Evgenij or whataver may appear! And so on etc. To have my name
UNCHANGED - but that's in fact to execute my right to have my name written
always the same way when USA letters are in use. (I think at the time of
Facebook / Google+ that is SERIOUSLY a right human *must* have! Even if not
Citizen.)
What about me I do not think thinking human may be really citizen of anything
other than Our Planet in first - because passport of your country is more
important than the registration in your town, but you are citizen of both and
World at the same time, true?!

Please give me your thoughts, community! And yes, I don't want just to *execute*
my rights, I hope to help World Citizenship Organization somehow when possible.
Thanks much in advance!

--
Evgenii  +79133808947

Reply | Messages in this Topic (9)

#9073

From: cathy_abernethy@...
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2012 9:42 am
Subject: Re: Re: zipcodes

cathy_abernethy

I'm new to the World Citizens, I found it in desperation after trying to get my beautiful husband returned to our home, his work and his life here in the UK, where he lived legitimately for 9 years. Just before our marriage we discovered the Solicitor who was supposed to represent us and regularise my man's stay was taking the money and had done nothing, rendering him Illegal without our knowledge. My life savings have gone while successive Secretary's of State in the UK have stolen UK tax payers money through expenses and still I am denied my husband 1. Because his birthday was recorded as being a week later than it actually is.
2. Because my family have lived, served and fought as English people for 7 generations, as an English woman I do not come under EU Law and my husband has no automatic right to be with me, if I was French or German or any other EU national he could walk in no problem.
So I respect that you all have concerns about Government intervention on our lives, but wonder, for myself if we are loosing sight of Garry Davis original Vision of a borderless loving peaceful free world?
Sorry if I am misunderstanding the severity of your concerns, I guess we all get immersed in our own immediate lives.
Has anyone used their World Citizen Passport in isolation when crossing any borders please? To be clear, without their passport of origin?
Thank you, good luck with all you do may you find peace and resolution
Cathy

Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange

From: "Louis ..." <louis.ny2001@...>

Sender: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com

Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 06:35:19 -0700 (PDT)

To: <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>

ReplyTo: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] Re: zipcodes

From: anton <amalkin@...>
Subject: [WorldCitizen] Re: zipcodes
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2012, 6:36 AM

I personally find this topic funny. Imagine someone with envelope at my door trying to bring me in some troubles just because I put some number on it?
Quite paranoid, isn't it? I would give him an address of the next psychiatrist.

Really, postal codes are there to speed up my post, nothing more. To get some duties, I have to sign some paper with that duties listed. That's the law, and nobody can claim anything from me unless explicitly signed.

Sincerely
Anton

--- In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...> wrote:
>
> In most cases mail will reach its destination. So why this debate over it and why use it?
>
>
> The reason for zip (postal) codes in all countries is to expedite the mail process and make it faster and less costly for the postal service.Â I don't really have any objection to doing that myself.
>
> Using postal codes can make a letter which is machine sorted arrive up to 3 days sooner than a letter that has to be pulled out and manually sorted and it keeps postage rates down.
>
> The Zip (postal) code contains
> NO ADDED INFORMATION that threatens individual privacy except the city
> from which the letter was mailed.Â That even could be misleading because someone may drop a letter in the mail at the neighboring town from
> work.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Joseph Toman <joseph_toman@...>
> To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes [2 Attachments]
>
>
> Â
> [Attachment(s) from Joseph Toman included below]
> THEY MADE YOU.
> WISE UP
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Brenda Zak <bzstylehive@...>
> To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 6:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
>
>
> Â
> Hi Louis
> I don't use zip codes either and everything gets to where it is addressed to. My question is, what about when sending a letter certified or registered mail, or return receipt? The post office clerk made me put a zip code on the return receipt, is that true? Could I have disputed that?
> Brenda
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Louis ... <louis.ny2001@...>
> To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
>
>
> Â
> Call up the USPS and ask them one question:
> "If I don't place a ZIP CODE on a letter, will the letter get to its destination?".Â
> That's all.Â Just ask that.Â Don't talk about other stuff.
>
>
>
> NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail,
> you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing
> its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the
> sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and
> any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you.
>
> --- On Sat, 10/8/11, ro-esp <ro-esp@...> wrote:
>
>
> >From: ro-esp <ro-esp@...>
> >Subject: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
> >To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
> >Date: Saturday, October 8, 2011, 4:23 PM
> >
> >
> >Â
> >louis.ny2001@... sendis:
> >
> >> I also suggest you not use any ZIP codes when mailing letters,
> >> packages, etc.., and have others omit that ZIP code when mailing
> >> anything to you.
> >> A ZIP code is NOT needed when sending first-class mail (.44 cent stamp).Â Â
> >
> >Does mail come in classes?
> >
> >> And actually the only thing a ZIP code does is place you in the
> >> Federal Zone (FEDERAL JURISDICTION).
> >> I send letters and don't put ZIP codes on them.Â Not only that, I
> >> often don't even put a return address.Â And my letters and packages
> >> get to their destination often FASTER than when they have a ZIP code.
> >> ZIP codes are just basically a trick to rope someone into becoming a
> >> U.S. Citizen and therefore fall within their CORPORATION
> >> JURISDICTION.
> >> ZIP codes serve no useful purpose to any flesh and blood man/woman.Â
> >> Quite the opposite.Â ZIP codes are total scams.
> >
> >Well, can anyone back up this statement with anything? Outhere in the
> >netherlands, postal codes allow mail to be sorted by machines, and
> >they prevent mail from going to a different village with the same name
> >( a problem which is partly caused by hollanders butchering local
> >village-names and making them official, but that aside)
> >
> >groetjes, Ronaldo
> >
> >--
> >http://www.esperanto.net http://www.moneyasdebt.net
> >
> >
>

#9074

From: cathy_abernethy@...
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2012 9:43 am
Subject: Re: zipcodes

cathy_abernethy

I like your ethos

Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange

From: Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...>

Sender: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com

Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:31:22 -0700 (PDT)

To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com<WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>

ReplyTo: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes

We will have to agree to disagree about this.

Some people read more into things like Postal Codes than is actually true. they were developed by the post office to expedite mail delivery.

Andrew

From: Louis ... <louis.ny2001@...>
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes

From: Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...>
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, May 25, 2012, 4:39 PM

In most cases mail will reach its destination. So why this debate over it and why use it?

The reason for zip (postal) codes in all countries is to expedite the mail process and make it faster and less costly for the postal service. I don't really have any objection to doing that myself.

Using postal codes can make a letter which is machine sorted arrive up to 3 days sooner than a letter that has to be pulled out and manually sorted and it keeps postage rates down.

The Zip (postal) code contains NO ADDED INFORMATION that threatens individual privacy except the city from which the letter was mailed. That even could be misleading because someone may drop a letter in the mail at the neighboring town from work.

Andrew

From: Joseph Toman <joseph_toman@...>
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes [2 Attachments]

THEY MADE YOU.
WISE UP

From: Brenda Zak <bzstylehive@...>
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes

Hi Louis
I don't use zip codes either and everything gets to where it is addressed to. My question is, what about when sending a letter certified or registered mail, or return receipt? The post office clerk made me put a zip code on the return receipt, is that true? Could I have disputed that?
Brenda

From: Louis ... <louis.ny2001@...>
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes

Call up the USPS and ask them one question:
"If I don't place a ZIP CODE on a letter, will the letter get to its destination?".
That's all. Just ask that. Don't talk about other stuff.

NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail,
you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing
its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the
sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and
any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you.

--- On Sat, 10/8/11, ro-esp <ro-esp@...> wrote:

From: ro-esp <ro-esp@...>
Subject: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 8, 2011, 4:23 PM

louis.ny2001@... sendis:

> I also suggest you not use any ZIP codes when mailing letters,
> packages, etc.., and have others omit that ZIP code when mailing
> anything to you.
> A ZIP code is NOT needed when sending first-class mail (.44 cent stamp).

Does mail come in classes?

> And actually the only thing a ZIP code does is place you in the
> Federal Zone (FEDERAL JURISDICTION).
> I send letters and don't put ZIP codes on them. Not only that, I
> often don't even put a return address. And my letters and packages
> get to their destination often FASTER than when they have a ZIP code.
> ZIP codes are just basically a trick to rope someone into becoming a
> U.S. Citizen and therefore fall within their CORPORATION
> JURISDICTION.
> ZIP codes serve no useful purpose to any flesh and blood man/woman.
> Quite the opposite. ZIP codes are total scams.

Well, can anyone back up this statement with anything? Outhere in the
netherlands, postal codes allow mail to be sorted by machines, and
they prevent mail from going to a different village with the same name
( a problem which is partly caused by hollanders butchering local
village-names and making them official, but that aside)

groetjes, Ronaldo

--
http://www.esperanto.net http://www.moneyasdebt.net

#9075

From: <peteroframona@...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2012 9:48 am
Subject: RE: Re: zipcodes

peteroframona

Why is it that people keep getting stuck in a "rut" and go on and on about some topic that I, personally, do not give a "rats ass" about? Louis keeps trying to tell you to "give it up" and move on to something meaningful about World Citizens, but many of you have two good eyes but just can't see (Thank you Grateful Dead for the phrase).

For one thing, Zip Codes are a US thing, so mean nothing to me. Here in Canada, we have Postal Codes, which are similar, but if I use it the mail gets there - if I don't use it, the mail gets there. Postal Codes were developed by the government here to: 1) aid in automated mail sorting so that Canada Post could eliminate thousands of jobs to put more cash into the pockets of senior civil servants and politicians' fully indexed pensions (it has worked very well - work 6 years and get a full pension - not bad, eh?) and 2) to track in what area people live so that "big brother" (read Fed govt.) can track where you live, when you move, etc.

So, enough about Zip Codes and listen to Louis!

Peace be with you.

Brother Peter +

To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
From: louis.ny2001@...
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 06:35:19 -0700
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] Re: zipcodes

From: anton <amalkin@...>
Subject: [WorldCitizen] Re: zipcodes
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2012, 6:36 AM

I personally find this topic funny. Imagine someone with envelope at my door trying to bring me in some troubles just because I put some number on it?
Quite paranoid, isn't it? I would give him an address of the next psychiatrist.

Really, postal codes are there to speed up my post, nothing more. To get some duties, I have to sign some paper with that duties listed. That's the law, and nobody can claim anything from me unless explicitly signed.

Sincerely
Anton

--- In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...> wrote:
>
> In most cases mail will reach its destination. So why this debate over it and why use it?
>
>
> The reason for zip (postal) codes in all countries is to expedite the mail process and make it faster and less costly for the postal service.� I don't really have any objection to doing that myself.
>
> Using postal codes can make a letter which is machine sorted arrive up to 3 days sooner than a letter that has to be pulled out and manually sorted and it keeps postage rates down.
>
> The Zip (postal) code contains
> NO ADDED INFORMATION that threatens individual privacy except the city
> from which the letter was mailed.� That even could be misleading because someone may drop a letter in the mail at the neighboring town from
> work.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Joseph Toman <joseph_toman@...>
> To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes [2 Attachments]
>
>
> �
> [Attachment(s) from Joseph Toman included below]
> THEY MADE YOU.
> WISE UP
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Brenda Zak <bzstylehive@...>
> To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 6:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
>
>
> �
> Hi Louis
> I don't use zip codes either and everything gets to where it is addressed to. My question is, what about when sending a letter certified or registered mail, or return receipt? The post office clerk made me put a zip code on the return receipt, is that true? Could I have disputed that?
> Brenda
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Louis ... <louis.ny2001@...>
> To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
>
>
> �
> Call up the USPS and ask them one question:
> "If I don't place a ZIP CODE on a letter, will the letter get to its destination?".�
> That's all.� Just ask that.� Don't talk about other stuff.
>
>
>
> NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail,
> you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing
> its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the
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>
> --- On Sat, 10/8/11, ro-esp <ro-esp@...> wrote:
>
>
> >From: ro-esp <ro-esp@...>
> >Subject: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
> >To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
> >Date: Saturday, October 8, 2011, 4:23 PM
> >
> >
> >�
> >louis.ny2001@... sendis:
> >
> >> I also suggest you not use any ZIP codes when mailing letters,
> >> packages, etc.., and have others omit that ZIP code when mailing
> >> anything to you.
> >> A ZIP code is NOT needed when sending first-class mail (.44 cent stamp).� �
> >
> >Does mail come in classes?
> >
> >> And actually the only thing a ZIP code does is place you in the
> >> Federal Zone (FEDERAL JURISDICTION).
> >> I send letters and don't put ZIP codes on them.� Not only that, I
> >> often don't even put a return address.� And my letters and packages
> >> get to their destination often FASTER than when they have a ZIP code.
> >> ZIP codes are just basically a trick to rope someone into becoming a
> >> U.S. Citizen and therefore fall within their CORPORATION
> >> JURISDICTION.
> >> ZIP codes serve no useful purpose to any flesh and blood man/woman.�
> >> Quite the opposite.� ZIP codes are total scams.
> >
> >Well, can anyone back up this statement with anything? Outhere in the
> >netherlands, postal codes allow mail to be sorted by machines, and
> >they prevent mail from going to a different village with the same name
> >( a problem which is partly caused by hollanders butchering local
> >village-names and making them official, but that aside)
> >
> >groetjes, Ronaldo
> >
> >--
> >http://www.esperanto.net http://www.moneyasdebt.net
> >
> >
>

#9076

From: Joseph Toman <joseph_toman@...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:14 pm
Subject: Re: zipcodes

joseph_toman

You are terribly mistaken and ignorant of true law. I send my letters for two cents and without federal zip codes. But then, I believe in individual sovereignty--you obviously do not.

From: Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...>
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes

We will have to agree to disagree about this.

Some people read more into things like Postal Codes than is actually true. they were developed by the post office to expedite mail delivery.

Andrew

From: Louis ... <louis.ny2001@...>
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes

From: Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...>
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, May 25, 2012, 4:39 PM

In most cases mail will reach its destination. So why this debate over it and why use it?

The reason for zip (postal) codes in all countries is to expedite the mail process and make it faster and less costly for the postal service. I don't really have any objection to doing that myself.

Using postal codes can make a letter which is machine sorted arrive up to 3 days sooner than a letter that has to be pulled out and manually sorted and it keeps postage rates down.

The Zip (postal) code contains NO ADDED INFORMATION that threatens individual privacy except the city from which the letter was mailed. That even could be misleading because someone may drop a letter in the mail at the neighboring town from work.

Andrew

From: Joseph Toman <joseph_toman@...>
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes [2 Attachments]

THEY MADE YOU.
WISE UP

From: Brenda Zak <bzstylehive@...>
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes

Hi Louis
I don't use zip codes either and everything gets to where it is addressed to. My question is, what about when sending a letter certified or registered mail, or return receipt? The post office clerk made me put a zip code on the return receipt, is that true? Could I have disputed that?
Brenda

From: Louis ... <louis.ny2001@...>
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes

Call up the USPS and ask them one question:
"If I don't place a ZIP CODE on a letter, will the letter get to its destination?".
That's all. Just ask that. Don't talk about other stuff.

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--- On Sat, 10/8/11, ro-esp <ro-esp@...> wrote:

From: ro-esp <ro-esp@...>
Subject: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 8, 2011, 4:23 PM

louis.ny2001@... sendis:

> I also suggest you not use any ZIP codes when mailing letters,
> packages, etc.., and have others omit that ZIP code when mailing
> anything to you.
> A ZIP code is NOT needed when sending first-class mail (.44 cent stamp).

Does mail come in classes?

> And actually the only thing a ZIP code does is place you in the
> Federal Zone (FEDERAL JURISDICTION).
> I send letters and don't put ZIP codes on them. Not only that, I
> often don't even put a return address. And my letters and packages
> get to their destination often FASTER than when they have a ZIP code.
> ZIP codes are just basically a trick to rope someone into becoming a
> U.S. Citizen and therefore fall within their CORPORATION
> JURISDICTION.
> ZIP codes serve no useful purpose to any flesh and blood man/woman.
> Quite the opposite. ZIP codes are total scams.

Well, can anyone back up this statement with anything? Outhere in the
netherlands, postal codes allow mail to be sorted by machines, and
they prevent mail from going to a different village with the same name
( a problem which is partly caused by hollanders butchering local
village-names and making them official, but that aside)

groetjes, Ronaldo

--
http://www.esperanto.net http://www.moneyasdebt.net

#9077

From: Joseph Toman <joseph_toman@...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:16 pm
Subject: Re: lawsofworld

joseph_toman

http://keystoliberty2.wordpress.com/tag/statute-3097-treaty-series-881/

Also see:

From: lawsofworld8 <lawsofworld8@...>
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 1:44 AM
Subject: [WorldCitizen] lawsofworld

An Act of Parliament is a statute enacted as primary legislation enacted by a national or sub-national parliament. In the Republic of Ireland the term Act of the Oireachtas is used, and in the United States the term Act of Congress is used for more details logon to www.lawsofworld.com

#9078

From: Garry Davis <worldlaw@...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2012 10:33 pm
Subject: Garry Davis letter to Benjamin Netanyahu

worldlaw@...

1 of 1 File(s)

Netanyahu.docx

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#9079

From: Garry Davis <worldlaw@...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2012 11:06 pm
Subject: GD letter to Benjamin Netanyahu

worldlaw@...

1 of 1 File(s)

IMG.pdf

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#9080

From: "anton" <amalkin@...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2012 11:28 pm
Subject: Re: Using WOrld Passport to start having a real and unchanged name. (ru)

antonmalkin

Dear Evgenii,

Yes, you can. I have had the similar transliteration problem and managed it by
simple petition to the authorities.

The problem of transliteration is usually solved by applying the ISO norm ICS
01.140.10: Writing and transliteration (ISO 9:1995 90.60 TC 46 for Cyrillic).
This norm is recommended, but not obligatory.

Getting the right name into Your World Passport is easy since You have none.
Apply for the World Passport and write Your right transliteration into the
application form. Then ask any official authority like notary office or notary
translator to confirm Your person and Your name in latin letters.

Same text in Russian:
����� ����� ������������� ���� ������� �������� ����������� �������������� ISO
ICS 01.140.10: Writing and transliteration (ISO 9:1995 90.60 TC). ��� ����������
- ������������, �� �� ��������������� �����.

� ��������� - �� ��������� � �������� ���� ���� ��� ������������� ��������
���������� ��� ������ ����������� �����. ����� ������ ������� � ���������,
����������� ��� ���� ������, ���� ��� ���������� ������� � ��������� ��������
���� �������� �� ���������, �����������, ������� ��, ���������. ����� ������� �
���� WSA � �������� �������.

Sincerely,
Anton

--- In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, "Evgenii" <epustota@...> wrote:
>
> Hello dear World Citizens!
> I have a question regarding obtaining a nationality.
> Or even two questions.
>
> 1) Is there a way I can get a World Citizenship and change my surname at the
time of obtaining it so surname in my World Passport is different from surname
of my father I own now? I promise that I will do everything possible to change
my surname to my new chosen surname - Pustota - in Russian passport as well!
>
> 2) Also in Russia we have another serious problem. NAMES. Russians do not have
the right to have their names settled in English language! One could have
passport on the name Alexei first - "foreign" passport, not "russian" one we use
to travel inside our Russian Federation - then Alexey and finally it could be
Aleksei if he would simply renew her passprot without trying to change the way
government acts. Seriously!
> In short, I have an idea to have World Citizen passport used to help me to
establish a right to have MY REAL NAME!!!!
> It would be this way. In Russia, when getting "foreign" passport, you could
apply for your name to be written IN YOUR OWN WAY if you have any FOREIGN paper
proving that under Name X you have the following rights - e.g. bank account,
marriage certificate, visa, green card. It doesn't mean you can have Ivanov
instead of Petrov, but to prove that you have to be Schmidt but not Shmidt or
Smith or not Smigt that may really, really work.
> Also why I want World Passport on new surname - like some foreign citizens
getting USA citizenship change their name at naturalization time - so be sure
that change of surname would be allowed in Russia as then it would mean I
ALREADY use my new surname. (That's Pustota, no secrets!)
> And then second use of World Passport would be to make our authorities to
ALWAYS write my name as Evgenii, not as they could make it Evgeny, Evgueni,
Evgeny, Yevgeny, Evgenii, Evgenij or whataver may appear! And so on etc. To have
my name UNCHANGED - but that's in fact to execute my right to have my name
written always the same way when USA letters are in use. (I think at the time of
Facebook / Google+ that is SERIOUSLY a right human *must* have! Even if not
Citizen.)
> What about me I do not think thinking human may be really citizen of anything
other than Our Planet in first - because passport of your country is more
important than the registration in your town, but you are citizen of both and
World at the same time, true?!
>
> Please give me your thoughts, community! And yes, I don't want just to
*execute* my rights, I hope to help World Citizenship Organization somehow when
possible.
> Thanks much in advance!
>
> --
> Evgenii  +79133808947
>

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#9081

From: "dazringe@..." <dazringe@...>
Date: Wed Jun 6, 2012 12:01 am
Subject: Re: zipcodes

dazringe...

Submit to the civil authority you say, nonsence, you sound like a slave...the civil authority rules us mostly through statutes of which a great many are totally unjust...A statute is not a law, it is given the force of law...who gives it the force of law? We do by consent...you do not have to know you are consenting infact they have many little tricks to get your consent and you do not even know it.......so we do not have to consent...Submit to civil authority! Absurd.

Sent from my HTC

----- Reply message -----
From: "Andres Espino" <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...>
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
Date: Sat, Jun 2, 2012 9:31 am

We will have to agree to disagree about this.

Some people read more into things like Postal Codes than is actually true. they were developed by the post office to expedite mail delivery.

Andrew

From: Louis ... <louis.ny2001@...>
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes

From: Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...>
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, May 25, 2012, 4:39 PM

In most cases mail will reach its destination. So why this debate over it and why use it?

The reason for zip (postal) codes in all countries is to expedite the mail process and make it faster and less costly for the postal service. I don't really have any objection to doing that myself.

Using postal codes can make a letter which is machine sorted arrive up to 3 days sooner than a letter that has to be pulled out and manually sorted and it keeps postage rates down.

The Zip (postal) code contains NO ADDED INFORMATION that threatens individual privacy except the city from which the letter was mailed. That even could be misleading because someone may drop a letter in the mail at the neighboring town from work.

Andrew

From: Joseph Toman <joseph_toman@...>
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes [2 Attachments]

THEY MADE YOU.
WISE UP

From: Brenda Zak <bzstylehive@...>
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes

Hi Louis
I don't use zip codes either and everything gets to where it is addressed to. My question is, what about when sending a letter certified or registered mail, or return receipt? The post office clerk made me put a zip code on the return receipt, is that true? Could I have disputed that?
Brenda

From: Louis ... <louis.ny2001@...>
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes

Call up the USPS and ask them one question:
"If I don't place a ZIP CODE on a letter, will the letter get to its destination?".
That's all. Just ask that. Don't talk about other stuff.

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--- On Sat, 10/8/11, ro-esp <ro-esp@...> wrote:

From: ro-esp <ro-esp@...>
Subject: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 8, 2011, 4:23 PM

louis.ny2001@... sendis:

> I also suggest you not use any ZIP codes when mailing letters,
> packages, etc.., and have others omit that ZIP code when mailing
> anything to you.
> A ZIP code is NOT needed when sending first-class mail (.44 cent stamp).

Does mail come in classes?

> And actually the only thing a ZIP code does is place you in the
> Federal Zone (FEDERAL JURISDICTION).
> I send letters and don't put ZIP codes on them. Not only that, I
> often don't even put a return address. And my letters and packages
> get to their destination often FASTER than when they have a ZIP code.
> ZIP codes are just basically a trick to rope someone into becoming a
> U.S. Citizen and therefore fall within their CORPORATION
> JURISDICTION.
> ZIP codes serve no useful purpose to any flesh and blood man/woman.
> Quite the opposite. ZIP codes are total scams.

Well, can anyone back up this statement with anything? Outhere in the
netherlands, postal codes allow mail to be sorted by machines, and
they prevent mail from going to a different village with the same name
( a problem which is partly caused by hollanders butchering local
village-names and making them official, but that aside)

groetjes, Ronaldo

--
http://www.esperanto.net http://www.moneyasdebt.net

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#9082

From: "Louis ..." <louis.ny2001@...>
Date: Wed Jun 6, 2012 12:30 am
Subject: Re: zipcodes

louis.ny2001

Fantasies that so many of yous keep clinging to.
First: Show me the Law that says that zip codes are mandatory.
Quite the contrary.
Second: Why is it that I send letters WITHOUT a zip code and they arrive much faster than WITH a zip code ?
Now, unless you're willing to provide case-law, etc.., to back up your claim that "it's the law to use zip codes" I respectfully request that yous STOP posting on stuff that yous have no clue about.
The dude here that goes by Bud Wieser posted laws to show that zip codes are NOT needed. And he also posted that zip codes do NOT make mail arrive faster. He also posted from the United States Postal Codes (their own rules and regulations).
So, if you want to dispute the fact that zip codes are not only useless, they're also a slave tool to "smack you down" to a slave level, then you come and post laws, statutes, etc.., to back up your point. Otherwise you're just blubbering on this site.
And NOBODY is interested in your opinions trying to be passed off as fact or reality.
Sorry to everybody in this forum but certain wake-up calls need to be made here.

--- On Fri, 6/1/12, Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...> wrote:

From: Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...>
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, June 1, 2012, 11:31 PM

We will have to agree to disagree about this.

As a World Citizen and living according to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, individuals are responsible to obey the laws and submit to the civil authority wherever they are living even if they are a World Citizen.

As a World Citizen i have the right to MOVE and Vote With My Feet and go where the surroundings are more to my liking. i do not have the right to be an anarchist and live according to my own code of laws.

Some people read more into things like Postal Codes than is actually true. they were developed by the post office to expedite mail delivery.

Andrew

From: Louis ... <louis.ny2001@...>
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes

It seems that you're not getting the point (sorry).
Zip codes do NOT make mail go faster or easier for you.
Quite the CONTRARY.
I send mail without zip codes and they arrive at their destination FASTER by at least a day than if I'd put a zip code.

You deal with zip codes and you just submitted yourself to their JURISDICTION.
You deal WITHOUT zip codes and they treat you better, as a Foreign Diplomat.
It's quite simple.

Zip codes do NOT help your mail arrive faster. All they do is SUBMIT you and the people you're mailing to into the FEDERAL DISTRICT and their rules and commands. Nothing positive for you nor any of us.

Sorry that a few of us here insist on busting fantasy bubbles.

--- On Fri, 5/25/12, Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...> wrote:

From: Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...>
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, May 25, 2012, 4:39 PM

In most cases mail will reach its destination. So why this debate over it and why use it?

The reason for zip (postal) codes in all countries is to expedite the mail process and make it faster and less costly for the postal service. I don't really have any objection to doing that myself.

Using postal codes can make a letter which is machine sorted arrive up to 3 days sooner than a letter that has to be pulled out and manually sorted and it keeps postage rates down.

The Zip (postal) code contains NO ADDED INFORMATION that threatens individual privacy except the city from which the letter was mailed. That even could be misleading because someone may drop a letter in the mail at the neighboring town from work.

Andrew

From: Joseph Toman <joseph_toman@...>
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes [2 Attachments]

THEY MADE YOU.
WISE UP

From: Brenda Zak <bzstylehive@...>
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes

Hi Louis
I don't use zip codes either and everything gets to where it is addressed to. My question is, what about when sending a letter certified or registered mail, or return receipt? The post office clerk made me put a zip code on the return receipt, is that true? Could I have disputed that?
Brenda

From: Louis ... <louis.ny2001@...>
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes

Call up the USPS and ask them one question:
"If I don't place a ZIP CODE on a letter, will the letter get to its destination?".
That's all. Just ask that. Don't talk about other stuff.

NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail,
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--- On Sat, 10/8/11, ro-esp <ro-esp@...> wrote:

From: ro-esp <ro-esp@...>
Subject: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 8, 2011, 4:23 PM

louis.ny2001@... sendis:

> I also suggest you not use any ZIP codes when mailing letters,
> packages, etc.., and have others omit that ZIP code when mailing
> anything to you.
> A ZIP code is NOT needed when sending first-class mail (.44 cent stamp).

Does mail come in classes?

> And actually the only thing a ZIP code does is place you in the
> Federal Zone (FEDERAL JURISDICTION).
> I send letters and don't put ZIP codes on them. Not only that, I
> often don't even put a return address. And my letters and packages
> get to their destination often FASTER than when they have a ZIP code.
> ZIP codes are just basically a trick to rope someone into becoming a
> U.S. Citizen and therefore fall within their CORPORATION
> JURISDICTION.
> ZIP codes serve no useful purpose to any flesh and blood man/woman.
> Quite the opposite. ZIP codes are total scams.

Well, can anyone back up this statement with anything? Outhere in the
netherlands, postal codes allow mail to be sorted by machines, and
they prevent mail from going to a different village with the same name
( a problem which is partly caused by hollanders butchering local
village-names and making them official, but that aside)

groetjes, Ronaldo

--
http://www.esperanto.net http://www.moneyasdebt.net

#9083

From: "m21inca" <mohea4@...>
Date: Wed Jun 6, 2012 3:56 pm
Subject: Request for assistance with Human Rights Petition

m21inca

Please have a look at this petition in regard to the exploitation of people in
developing nations and their human rights.  The proposed idea is that labor
inspections need to be mandated for human rights abuse in UN member state
marketplaces.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/exploited-humans/
If you like this petition please help me try to spread the word or gain
sponsorship.  I have made a donation of $50 to Amnesty International; I
appreciate how you strive for humanity.

Thank you,
Michael Hughes

#9084

From: "anton" <amalkin@...>
Date: Wed Jun 6, 2012 9:29 pm
Subject: Re: zipcodes

antonmalkin

Well, may be, ZIP-Codes do not speed up Your mail in US. But US is not the whole
world. There are some countries in the world where zip code reading machines are
in use and really speed up the delivery. I have seen the countries where letters
without ZIP code are more likely to get lost on the way or get delivered to the
wrong city. (Yes, I live in Germany, we have another half-legal institution I
refuse to pay for, let us stay by IRS for simplicity). Let us call any private
fee collectors "IRS".

Speed does not matter. The real question beside this discussion is: Do I come
under the jurisdiction of any institution like IRS by putting a ZIP code on the
envelope?

Our "IRS" is coming from time to time to me and ask for fee because I live "in
the area of BN-Außenstadt" - same like ZIP. They use city and district shortage
instead, but I use it, too.
I ask: "Is it tax?" - "No" - "So, it's voluntary. I do not order Your services.
Only tax duties to the federal tax office are obligatory, not to the private
business." - "We have contract with government" - "I did not sign it. Show me
this fee in the tax list.".

No, 12 years are gone, they come to me from time to time, I haven't paid. Any
jurisdiction is not possible unless by contract. ZIP code do not belong to IRS
and are not related to - just like city name do not belong to our "irs". Look:
Are ZIP codes created by IRS? No. Postal services did it.
Did IRS obtain any legal rights on ZIP codes and got it legally protected? No.
Were any rights on ZIP codes granted to IRS by government? No such act known.

What is the relationship between "IRS" and ZIP codes or city names? They just
use it. I use it too. Do I get under IRS jurisdiction or do the IRS get under my
jurisdiction? Nor - Neither.

Jurisdiction of tax collection office like IRS is based not on ZIP code but on
the area. They use ZIP as mark for some area. The only thing IRS can do with
that code is to find out easily where I live. No problem, I tell them myself
where I live. Come and show me where the law is.

Another side of the coin is so called public contract. Any resident of any area
is under jurisdiction of the government of that area. It's a little bit
medieval, but it works like this today. The government can delegateit's function
like tax collection to any institution, but not voluntary. It has to follow some
legal principles. At least one of them are damaged by IRS & Co:
  - fees discussed here (yes, I mean US income tax, too) are not signed by
parliament.

One more funny thing: any institution granted with governmental function like
tax collection has respective power. To collect taxes from some area, irs has to
determine, who is resident of that area. Such determination by envelope is
absurd. If I put ZIP code of, say, Washington DC on my envelope, will I hereby
become a resident of Washington D.C.? May I settle there down from some Africa
or elsewhere?
Can I go to american embassy and ask for immigration visa just because IRS
sorted me as Washington tax payer? Strange question, isn't it?

OK. The only thing "IRS" can tell me based on the ZIP code or district shortage
is "You live here". No problem, I live here, but who you irs are? That's the
question.

Sincerely,
Anton

--- In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, "Louis ..." <louis.ny2001@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting that several of you people insist in the fantasy that zip codes
speed up your mail.
> Why is it that when I send a letter from New York to California with no zip
code the letter gets there in two days.  But when I put a zip code on it the
letter gets there in four to five days ?
> I really wish that some of you brainiacs that keep insisting on "Paranoid
Pete" and his posse would explain that simple thing to me.
> Yous don't understand simple pimple things so yous insist that "this topic is
funny" and that people are "paranoid".
> Interesting.

#9085

From: "anton" <amalkin@...>
Date: Wed Jun 6, 2012 9:41 pm
Subject: Re: zipcodes

antonmalkin

Yes, You are right. IRS use it. I use it, too. IRS can prove where I live. No
problem, I tell them myself where I live. The question is: Who You IRS are? Are
You legal? Are the fees collected by IRS legal? If yes, I pay. No law - no pay.
No matter what codes they use and what codes I use.

IRS has nor copyright for ZIP codes neither other legal relationship to. It's
not my problem how do they mark area. Some gangsters mark areas too, should it
be my problem? I am trying to live in accordance with the law of the area I
live.

Sincerely,
Anton

--- In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, Bud Weiser <beercanhideout@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Use of the ZIP Code is voluntary. See Domestic Mail Services Regulations,
> Section 122.32. You should also know that the Postal service can not
> discriminate against the non-use of the ZIP Code.  See "Postal Reorganization
Act",
> Section 403, (Public Law 91-375). The federal government utilizes the ZIP code
> to prove that you reside in a "federal district of the District of
> Columbia".  This is why the IRS and
> other government agencies (state and federal) require a ZIP Code when they
> assert jurisdiction by sending you a letter. 
> They claim that this speeds the mail, but this is a sly and subtle
> TRICK.  It is also prima facie evidence
> that you are a subject of Congress and a "citizen of the District of
> Columbia" who is "resident" in one of the several States.
>
>  The receipt of mail with a ZIP code
> is one of the requirements for the IRS to have jurisdiction to send you
> notices.  The government cannot bill a
> Citizen of Illinois, because he is not within the purview of the MUNICIPAL
LAWS
> of the District of Columbia.  In fact,
> the Internal Revenue Service has adopted the ZIP code areas as Internal
Revenue
> Districts. See the Federal Register, Volume 51, Number 53, Wednesday, March
19,
> 1986.
>
> You must remember that the Postal Service is a private corporation, a
> quasi-governmental agency.  It is no longer
> a full government agency.  It is like the
> Federal Reserve System, the Internal Revenue Service, and the United States
> Marshall Service.  They are all outside
> the restrictions of the Federal Constitution, as private corporations.  They
are all powerful in their respective
> areas of responsibility to enforce collection for the federal debt.  So, if
you are using a ZIP code, you are in
> effect saying openly and notoriously that you do not live in the State of
> Illinois, but, instead are a resident in the Illinois area of the District of
> Columbia (a federal district).  There are
> some so-called Patriot groups that I consider to be patriots for money.  They
advocate the use of Title 42 suits
> (which are for federal citizens only), send mail to you with a ZIP Code, and
> ask you to do things that place you within the municipal jurisdiction of the
> District of Columbia.
>
>  Remember these individuals may be
> agents of the government or, even worse, are advocating a one-world government
> by the use of the Social Security number and the ZIP code.
>
> So you must be aware of the movement towards a one-world government through
> annihilation or elimination of State Citizens by use of the so-called 14th
> Amendment and its related laws.I personally only monitor this group for the
purpose of gaining
> knowledge of the so-called one world government. I do not subscribe to
> its thesis.
>

#9086

From: Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...>
Date: Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:38 am
Subject: Re: Re: zipcodes

ima_very_coo...

Okay it bears mentioning again that this is the forum for the World Government of World Citizens which issues the World Passport and which is founded based on the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights in 1948. Many other organizations also participate and comment here in the group and while they have freedom of expression, and a lot of discussion is tossed around in here, the ideas are not all endorsed by World Government of World Citizens either.

If all the countries would fully abide by the Universal Declaration of Human rights a great percentage of the world's problems would solve themselves. Not even the USA honors the resolution 100%

I do not think any in here want a one world government presided over by a single individual like 'President of The World" but we would like a more even democracy around the world with the UDHR being honored everywhere.

Andres

(the other Andrew)

From: Bud Weiser <beercanhideout@...>
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 4:31 AM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] Re: zipcodes

Remember these individuals may be agents of the government or, even worse, are advocating a one-world government by the use of the Social Security number and the ZIP code.

So you must be aware of the movement towards a one-world government through annihilation or elimination of State Citizens by use of the so-called 14th Amendment and its related laws.

I personally only monitor this group for the purpose of gaining knowledge of the so-called one world government. I do not subscribe to its thesis.

--- On Wed, 5/30/12, anton <amalkin@...> wrote:

From: anton <amalkin@...>
Subject: [WorldCitizen] Re: zipcodes
To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2012, 1:36 AM

I personally find this topic funny. Imagine someone with envelope at my door trying to bring me in some troubles just because I put some number on it?
Quite paranoid, isn't it? I would give him an address of the next psychiatrist.

Really, postal codes are there to speed up my post, nothing more. To get some duties, I have to sign some paper with that duties listed. That's the law, and nobody can claim anything from me unless explicitly signed.

Sincerely
Anton

--- In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...> wrote:
>
> In most cases mail will reach its destination. So why this debate over it and why use it?
>
>
> The reason for zip (postal) codes in all countries is to expedite the mail process and make it faster and less costly for the postal service.Â I don't really have any objection to doing that myself.
>
> Using postal codes can make a letter which is machine sorted arrive up to 3 days sooner than a letter that has to be pulled out and manually sorted and it keeps postage rates down.
>
> The Zip (postal) code contains
> NO ADDED INFORMATION that threatens individual privacy except the city
> from which the letter was mailed.Â That even could be misleading because someone may drop a letter in the mail at the neighboring town from
> work.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Joseph Toman <joseph_toman@...>
> To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes [2 Attachments]
>
>
> Â
> [Attachment(s) from Joseph Toman included below]
> THEY MADE YOU.
> WISE UP
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Brenda Zak <bzstylehive@...>
> To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 6:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
>
>
> Â
> Hi Louis
> I don't use zip codes either and everything gets to where it is addressed to. My question is, what about when sending a letter certified or registered mail, or return receipt? The post office clerk made me put a zip code on the return receipt, is that true? Could I have disputed that?
> Brenda
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Louis ... <louis.ny2001@...>
> To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
>
>
> Â
> Call up the USPS and ask them one question:
> "If I don't place a ZIP CODE on a letter, will the letter get to its destination?".Â
> That's all.Â Just ask that.Â Don't talk about other stuff.
>
>
>
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> --- On Sat, 10/8/11, ro-esp <ro-esp@...> wrote:
>
>
> >From: ro-esp <ro-esp@...>
> >Subject: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
> >To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
> >Date: Saturday, October 8, 2011, 4:23 PM
> >
> >
> >Â
> >louis.ny2001@... sendis:
> >
> >> I also suggest you not use any ZIP codes when mailing letters,
> >> packages, etc.., and have others omit that ZIP code when mailing
> >> anything to you.
> >> A ZIP code is NOT needed when sending first-class mail (.44 cent stamp).Â Â
> >
> >Does mail come in classes?
> >
> >> And actually the only thing a ZIP code does is place you in the
> >> Federal Zone (FEDERAL JURISDICTION).
> >> I send letters and don't put ZIP codes on them.Â Not only that, I
> >> often don't even put a return address.Â And my letters and packages
> >> get to their destination often FASTER than when they have a ZIP code.
> >> ZIP codes are just basically a trick to rope someone into becoming a
> >> U.S. Citizen and therefore fall within their CORPORATION
> >> JURISDICTION.
> >> ZIP codes serve no useful purpose to any flesh and blood man/woman.Â
> >> Quite the opposite.Â ZIP codes are total scams.
> >
> >Well, can anyone back up this statement with anything? Outhere in the
> >netherlands, postal codes allow mail to be sorted by machines, and
> >they prevent mail from going to a different village with the same name
> >( a problem which is partly caused by hollanders butchering local
> >village-names and making them official, but that aside)
> >
> >groetjes, Ronaldo
> >
> >--
> >http://www.esperanto.net http://www.moneyasdebt.net
> >
> >
>

#9087

From: "freeworldcitizen13" <lorimleatherman@...>
Date: Fri Jun 8, 2012 6:26 am
Subject: Homeland Security and government authority intervention

freeworldcit...

I'm wondering if anyone has experienced any problems with homeland security or
other "government authorities" when attempting to use their passport and if so
how they handled this issue.