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#36757 From: Larry Lawton <LLMYSTIC7@...>
Date: Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:10 am
Subject: Good news from planet earth! 		llmystic7
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It is true that the media (even the progressive media, though that is where this story came from) rarely report good news.  Bad news is more sensational, and maybe also more motivating when it comes to begging people for donations (something all these organizations do a lot!)

I saw a couple of these stories before, so there is some reporting of good news.


Peace,
*L*

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#36758 From: Ryan Carstairs <strikezero@...>
Date: Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:56 pm
Subject: Conversation on Yahoo!: Super Secret Hypersonic Aircraft Flew Out of Its Skin - Yahoo! News 		drcarstairs
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#36759 From: Larry Lawton <LLMYSTIC7@...>
Date: Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:44 am
Subject: Air-Breathing Lithium Batteries Promise Long-Range Driving 		llmystic7
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The extended range would certainly make electric cars more practical for more people.  There seem to be some serious technology issues to resolve before a computer model can be turned into a real device.  In addition, I wonder about the cost.  Lithium is already in short supply.  Making the anode out of lithium would require even more lithium per battery, and if the cars do meet the needs of many drivers, presumably many more batteries would be needed.  It seems to me all this would drive up the cost of the lithium.  Practical batteries need to be cheaper, not more expensive.

Then again, I doubt if all the commercially viable sources of lithium have been found and developed.  Until recently, I don't think there was much demand for lithium, except for medication for crazy people!

But even the proponents are not expecting this technology to be available for a decade or more.  Maybe too late for me to benefit from it.


Peace,
*L*

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#36760 From: Ryan Carstairs <strikezero@...>
Date: Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:10 am
Subject: A Phrase A Week - All that glitters is not gold 		drcarstairs
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A Phrase A Week - All that glitters is not gold

All that glitters is not gold

Meaning

Not everything that is shiny and superficially attractive is valuable.

Origin

In the week of Shakespeare's birthday, it seems appropriate to include a well-known phrase that is associated with the Bard.
 
The original form of this phrase was 'all that glisters is not gold'. The 'glitters' version long ago superseded the original and is now almost universally used.
Shakespeare is the best-known writer to have expressed the idea that shiny things aren't necessarily precious things. The original editions of The Merchant of Venice, 1596, have the line as 'all that glisters is not gold'. 'Glister' is usually replaced by 'glitter' in modern renditions of the play:
O hell! what have we here?
A carrion Death, within whose empty eye
There is a written scroll! I'll read the writing.
All that glitters is not gold...
Various different ways of expressing the idea that 'all that glitters/glisters is not gold' were in general circulation well before Shakespeare's day and it was a common enough notion to have been called proverbial by the 16th century. The 12th century French theologian Alain de Lille wrote "Do not hold everything gold that shines like gold". Geoffrey Chaucer also expressed the same idea in Middle English in the poem The House of Fame, 1380 - "Hit is not al gold, that glareth". Nevertheless, it is Shakespeare who gave us the version we now use.
The 'glitters' version of this phrase is so long established as to be perfectly acceptable - especially as 'glisters' and 'glitters' mean the same thing. Only the most pedantic insist that 'all that glisters is not gold' is correct and that 'all that glitters is not gold', being a misquotation, however cobweb-laden, should be shunned. John Dryden was quite happy to use 'glitters' as long ago as 1687, in his poem The Hind and the Panther:
For you may palm upon us new for old:
All, as they say, that glitters, is not gold.
See other phrases and sayings from Shakespeare.
See also: the List of Proverbs.
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#36761 From: "Reason.com" <strikezero@...>
Date: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:10 pm
Subject: DrC. has sent you a link 		drcarstairs
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DrC. thought you'd be interested in the following article at Reason.com:

The Top 6 Libertarian Science Fiction Novels of the Year
http://reason.com/blog/2012/04/04/the-top-6-libertarian-science-fiction-no

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#36762 From: "elvisitantemaligno@..." <elvisitantemaligno@...>
Date: Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:33 pm
Subject: Horror novel: "The Evil Visitor" GIVEAWAY from April 23rd to April 27th 		elvisitantem...
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Hello. My name is Fernando Sobenes and Id like to invite you to watch the book trailer of my horror novel: "The Evil Visitor"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31dfIwPSzo4 

Also you can read de first chapters of my work at my blog:

http://elvisitantemaligno.blogspot.com/p/evil-visitor.html  

 

From April 23rd to April 27th you can download for FREE both versions of my novel: "The Evil Visitor" http://tinyurl.com/ccyr9k9 and "El Visitante Maligno" http://tinyurl.com/cnqakla

( English and Spanish - Kindle version) at Amazon.com

If you dont have a Kindle, ipad or other eReading device you can download  Amazon's FREE  Kindle for PC  application by going to:-

http://tinyurl.com/yja443f          

Thanks for your kind attention and greetings from Venezuela.

 


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#36763 From: Ryan Carstairs <strikezero@...>
Date: Fri May 4, 2012 7:17 am
Subject: A Phrase A Week - Start from scratch 		drcarstairs
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A Phrase A Week - Start from scratch

Start from scratch

Meaning

Begin (again) from the beginning, embark on something without any preparation or advantage.

Origin

As well as the common meaning of the word 'scratch', that is, 'a slight tearing or incision of the skin', there is another meaning which is used in a string of phrases that include the word. These expressions include 'come up to scratch', 'scratch golfer', 'toe the scratch' (a variant of toe the line), 'make from scratch' and 'start from scratch'. What all of these have in common is the notion of 'scratch' being the beginning - a point at which there is no advantage or disadvantage. This meaning originated in the sporting world, where 'scratch' has been used since the 18th century to describe a starting line that was scratched on the ground.
Start from scratchBoxing, golf, cricket and also any sport that involves some form of race use lines on the ground as part of their regulations and historians of each sport encourage the belief that their 'scratch' was the first. Cricket has the strongest claim. Everyone who ever played cricket as a child will be familiar with the batting and bowling 'creases' and will have scratched them on the ground to mark out the pitch. The first time that such a 'scratch' is referred to in print is in a cricketing manual - John Nyren's Young Cricketer's Tutor, 1833, which records this line from a 1778 work by Cotton:
"Ye strikers... Stand firm to your scratch, let your bat be upright."
The positions of boxers who faced each other at the beginning of a bout used to be marked by a scratched line and boxing has the best claim to have been the source of 'toe the scratch' (toe the line).
The expression 'start from scratch' came about in 'handicap' races where weaker entrants were given a head start. Other sports, notably golf, have taken up the figurative use of 'scratch' to mean 'with no advantage - starting from nothing'. The first person who is recorded as 'starting from scratch' was participating in 'pedestrianism' - what we would now call running. The British sporting newspaper The Erareported on a handicap running event in Sheffield in December 1853:
The match on the Hyde Park Ground, Sheffield... has already created quite a furore of excitement among the sporting men of the North. The manner in which the men have been handicapped [is]: James Pudney (of Mile-end) and James Sherdon (of Sheffield), start from scratch; John Syddall, six yards; Richard Conway, twelve; John Saville, twenty...
I do hope that Hyde Park was in fact the first place where the expression 'start from scratch' was first written down, as it is just a mile or so from where I sit and write this stuff.
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#36764 From: "nowyat" <nowyat@...>
Date: Fri May 4, 2012 9:03 pm
Subject: It says your URLs are not valid... 		nowyat
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but I found you on Amazon... 
http://www.amazon.com/The-Evil-Visitor-ebook/dp/B006KKLISM  I may buy it,
because it sounds really good.  Only  $2.99.  I always side with the Ouiji board
and not the priest though.  I have a Kindle four now, but can't read manga on
it, but I am starting to buy books that way.  Big-kindle-mangaless sigh...  It's
hard to be a sub-culture unto oneself.

--- In a-d-w@yahoogroups.com, "elvisitantemaligno@..." <elvisitantemaligno@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Hello. My name is Fernando Sobenes and Id like to invite you to
> watch the book trailer of my horror novel: "The Evil Visitor"
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31dfIwPSzo4 <http:///>
>
> Also you can read de first chapters of my work at my blog:
>
> http://elvisitantemaligno.blogspot.com/p/evil-visitor.html  <http:///>
>
>
>
> From April 23rd to April 27th you can download for FREE both versions of
> my novel: "The Evil Visitor" http://tinyurl.com/ccyr9k9
> <http://tinyurl.com/ccyr9k9>  and "El Visitante Maligno"
> http://tinyurl.com/cnqakla  <http://tinyurl.com/cnqakla>
>
> ( English and Spanish - Kindle version) at Amazon.com
>
> If you dont have a Kindle, ipad or other eReading device you can
> download  Amazon's FREE  Kindle for PC  application by going to:-
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yja443f <http://tinyurl.com/yja443f>
>
> Thanks for your kind attention and greetings from Venezuela.
>

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#36765 From: Judith Rogal <bastet43@...>
Date: Fri May 4, 2012 9:38 pm
Subject: Light of Eons 		bastet43
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Found this bit of weirdness while killing time with goofy star trek fan films. 
Enjoy
Love
Mama Bastet

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#36766 From: "nowyat" <nowyat@...>
Date: Fri May 4, 2012 11:34 pm
Subject: Ooh, ooh, YouTube trade... 		nowyat
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I'm watching yours, you watch mine.  Mine's kinda cheesy, but I like it anyway. 
Yours is very good.  You Tube is getting so arty.

Mine-->  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojLia2AXVug&feature=related

--- In a-d-w@yahoogroups.com, Judith Rogal <bastet43@...> wrote:
>
> Found this bit of weirdness while killing time with goofy star trek fan
films.
> Enjoy
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVNtlREIG1Q&feature=channel&list=UL
>
> Love
> Mama Bastet
>

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#36767 From: Judith Rogal <bastet43@...>
Date: Sat May 5, 2012 2:36 am
Subject: Re: Ooh, ooh, YouTube trade... 		bastet43
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liked yours better.  lol.  I'm still trying to figure out the other one.  Was it about what we loose or what?

Love,
Mama Bastet

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To: a-d-w@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 4:34 PM
Subject: [a-d-w] Ooh, ooh, YouTube trade...

 

I'm watching yours, you watch mine. Mine's kinda cheesy, but I like it anyway. Yours is very good. You Tube is getting so arty.

Mine--> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojLia2AXVug&feature=related

--- In a-d-w@yahoogroups.com, Judith Rogal <bastet43@...> wrote:
>
> Found this bit of weirdness while killing time with goofy star trek fan films. 
> Enjoy
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVNtlREIG1Q&feature=channel&list=UL 
>
> Love
> Mama Bastet
>




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#36768 From: "Joe" <jay_b66@...>
Date: Sat May 5, 2012 3:28 am
Subject: Trailer for paranormal crime thriller 		jay_b66
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Enjoy my video trailer for Grim which comes out on Sept. 1 from Damnation Books
at www.josephbspencer.com

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#36769 From: "Reason.com" <strikezero@...>
Date: Sat May 5, 2012 1:33 pm
Subject: DrC. has sent you a link 		drcarstairs
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DrC. thought you'd be interested in the following article at Reason.com:

Creating Sustainable Agriculture Without Government Subsidies
An interview with
“Christian-conservative-libertarian-environmentalist-lunatic” Joel
Salatin
http://reason.com/archives/2012/05/05/the-joel-salatin-interview

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#36770 From: "nowyat" <nowyat@...>
Date: Sat May 5, 2012 7:57 pm
Subject: As someone who has read all of SIr Walter Scott 		nowyat
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and 99% of Charles Dickens, I really like this new YouTube book launch thing,
but...   well, let the planets spin and events unfold.   I think it's a big deal
in my life, if only directed well.  *wait, that hardly ever happens...*



--- In a-d-w@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <jay_b66@...> wrote:
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> Enjoy my video trailer for Grim which comes out on Sept. 1 from Damnation
Books at www.josephbspencer.com
>

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#36771 From: Larry Lawton <LLMYSTIC7@...>
Date: Sun May 6, 2012 10:15 am
Subject: Re: DrC. has sent you a link 		llmystic7
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My feeling is that this guy lives in a fantasy world concerning the realities of power.  The fantasy that any government would do nothing but protect the rights of individuals has no basis in history.  The rich and powerful will always work to gain control of the government as well as the society.  A Libertarian government would not be exempt from the corruption of the elite.

So while I might agree with a lot of the abuses being described, I certainly do not agree with the proposed solution.  It is not realistic.  It is even less realistic than Anarchy.  By doing away with any concentrated power, Anarchy would make it as difficult as possible for the elite to gain control.  (However, getting people to accept Anarchy is probably as improbable as that people would accept Libertarianism -- so getting either proposal established is probably pure fantasy.  Certainly the rich and powerful would fight real Anarchy as well as real Libertarianism.)

Both Anarchy and Libertarianism, like real Democracy, require the active participation, interest, and commitment of the people.  In reality, the people are not interested.  They have always, in every society, opted to let others take the responsibility and the power.  These radical and egalitarian ideas may work for one generation, in response to the experienced horrors of disastrous totalitarian control by the elite.  But by the second generation, people cease to care, and it becomes easy for the pirates and parasites to corrupt whatever system is in place and gain control.  Unfortunately this is probably even true of Anarchy.  But it is even easier with Democracy or Libertarianism, because the structures allowing for concentration of power (governments) already exist.

As for the convergence of meddlers / do-gooders and authoritarians -- whether leftist or rightist -- we have discussed this many times and I certainly agree.  (But I disagree that leftists are more prone to be meddlers.  Seems to me meddling is apolitical in that sense, and rightists are equally guilty.  Rightists may simply object to the types of meddling proposed by leftists more than the types of meddling proposed by rightists.)

Home schooling is a bad example.  It has produced a lot of totally ignorant individuals.  (So have public schools and religious schools.)  Given the ignorance of Americans, I would say the evidence is against home schooling.  Europeans, who do not allow home schooling, are much better educated than Americans.  (However it is possible, maybe even likely, that American public schools are much worse than European public schools.)  But clearly home schooling has not solved the problem of ignorant Americans.

And the rightist bias against cooperative health care comes out quite irrationally here too.  First, the health care law is NOT a public health program -- that was rejected and Obama failed to defend it.  (For which I hold him accountable.)  What we actually have is corporate welfare for insurance companies and the medical cartel -- cleverly paid for by a $trillion hidden tax on the middle class (over ten years).  Second, if there were a public health program, and the bureaucrats running it actually saw diet as a factor in good health, it seems likely to me there would be MORE Science based research on the effects of diet -- and if it is true that the grain based diet favored by the corporations (and thus supported by their government) makes people unhealthy -- then the effect of a public health program would be to favor the kind of diet the author supports!  (Assuming he is correct that it is healthier, which I might not believe, though I do believe the grain and factory farmed meat diet he objects to is unhealthy.  I personally think a more vegetarian diet would be healthier.  And I am pretty sure the Science would support this.) 

I certainly agree that farmers should be able to process and market food on their farms.  Likewise, people who own shops should be allowed to live above their shops, as used to be traditional.  Zoning laws should never be used to segregate activities.  This is inefficient both economically and ecologically.  (I think it arises from a kind of snobbish meddling.)

But Libertarianism remains a fantasy, and would not produce the results he desires.  Not in the real world, where power is far more addictive than any drug, any sex, or any other activity.  Libertarianism ignores the addictive nature of power.

Peace,
*L*

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Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2012 6:33 AM
Subject: [a-d-w] DrC. has sent you a link

 
DrC. thought you'd be interested in the following article at Reason.com:

Creating Sustainable Agriculture Without Government Subsidies
An interview with
“Christian-conservative-libertarian-environmentalist-lunatic” Joel
Salatin
http://reason.com/archives/2012/05/05/the-joel-salatin-interview




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#36772 From: Judith Rogal <mamabastet43@...>
Date: Sun May 6, 2012 7:42 pm
Subject: Re: DrC. has sent you a link 		mamabastet43
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Larry wrote:
Home schooling is a bad example.  It has produced a lot of totally ignorant individuals.  (So have public schools and religious schools.)  Given the ignorance of Americans, I would say the evidence is against home schooling.  Europeans, who do not allow home schooling, are much better educated than Americans.  (However it is possible, maybe even likely, that American public schools are much worse than European public schools.)  But clearly home schooling has not solved the problem of ignorant Americans. 

***Now you didn't think I'd let this just pass did you?:)) laughing

Yes, there is a tremendous group of ignorant ppl out there doing the home school dance. But we aren't all like that. There is still a group of us that is working hard to make sure that our kids are not only aware that there are a number of viewpoints on any given subject and that a lot of them are composed of drivel. In addition we try to teach them to think for themselves and not to just accept what is fed to them. This time of year we used to be making plans to attend home school convention.  Used to be, but it's gotten to the point that all that seems to be available there is the whatever-wing X-tian nonsense variety of seminars and materials as well, so we've quite attending them.  Even the Unschooling conferences have gotten to be that way and there's no point in it. If this is what you are referring to as ignorant, yes but I'd say they are more blinded by bias which amounts to the same thing on many levels I suppose.

Are Europeans better educated than US?  That was not my experience. (And some countries DO allow homeschooling.  Just not Germany or Sweden in particular who have outlawed it, although they are not alone.  Perfectly legal in France.) What I did see when  I was there were students that were better indoctrinated by their government so as not to fight the system. ("Deutschesland, Deutschesland uber alles" anyone?) 

If you'd like to see where it's legal and where it's not there's a good chart here:

So there's my 2 cents worth.
 Love,
Mama Bastet
Port Hadlock, WA

"Failure isn't falling down, it's staying down" ~ Mary Pickford (paraphrased)

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#36773 From: strikezero@...
Date: Tue May 8, 2012 2:13 am
Subject: Gassy dinos may have warmed the Earth | COSMOS magazine 		drcarstairs
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#36774 From: Larry Lawton <LLMYSTIC7@...>
Date: Tue May 8, 2012 8:24 am
Subject: Re: Gassy dinos may have warmed the Earth | COSMOS magazine 		llmystic7
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If "dinogenic" emissions contributed to ancient climate change, that would seem to be a validation of modern anthropogenic climate change.

However, methane is not the most important greenhouse gas today.  Human activity is also producing lots of carbon dioxide (the most important greenhouse gas) and lots of industrial chemicals, some of which did not ever exist in nature previously, and many of which are powerful greenhouse gases (some are 10,000 times more potent than CO2 and may last for many centuries or millennia -- methane lasts only weeks or months, and CO2 may last a century).

However, dinosaurs did not cause the warm climate they evolved in and for.  It was already warm.  Something else made it warm.  Dinosaurs may have helped keep it warm.  (Possibly not only by emitting methane, but also by destroying lots of vegetation, thus reducing the capacity of the plants to absorb CO2 -- similar to human impacts on forests and plants today.)  From what I have read, there are two possible explanations for why the climate was warm when the dinosaurs began to evolve into the dominant species.  First, volcanism.  There have been periods of intense volcanism which can release vast amounts of CO2 for thousands of years.  It seems there was such a volcanic period about 250 million years ago -- about the right time.  Second, the arrangement of land and oceans.  Most of the land was in a single supercontinent which was located in the tropical and temperate regions, and both polar regions were open ocean with no surrounding land to trap cold water (as in the Arctic) and no land to accumulate snow and ice (as in Antarctica).  Both explanations could be true too.

*Unintelligent dominant species cause significant global climate change!*  The species may change, but the results are the same...  (Despite our self-chosen label "homo sapiens", it appears to me that humans, especially at the level of organized societies, display no more intelligence than did the dinosaurs.)

The story is interesting but incomplete.

Peace,
*L*

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#36775 From: Ryan Carstairs <strikezero@...>
Date: Wed May 9, 2012 6:15 am
Subject: News Alert: Maurice Sendak, Author of 'Where the Wild Things Are,' Dies at 83 		drcarstairs
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Sad News
DrC.
 
 
 

Breaking News Alert
The New York Times
Tuesday, May 8, 2012 -- 8:39 AM EDT
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Maurice Sendak, Author of ‘Where the Wild Things Are,’ Dies at 83

Maurice Sendak, widely considered the most important children’s book artist of the 20th century, who wrenched the picture book out of the safe, sanitized world of the nursery and plunged it into the dark, terrifying and hauntingly beautiful recesses of the human psyche, died on Tuesday in Danbury, Conn. He was 83 and lived in Ridgefield, Conn.

The cause was complications from a recent stroke, said Michael di Capua, his longtime editor.

Roundly praised, intermittently censored and occasionally eaten, Mr. Sendak’s books were essential ingredients of childhood for the generation born after 1960 or thereabouts, and in turn for their children. He was known in particular for more than a dozen picture books he wrote and illustrated himself, most famously “Where the Wild Things Are,” which was simultaneously genre-breaking and career-making when it was published by Harper & Row in 1963.

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#36776 From: Ryan Carstairs <strikezero@...>
Date: Fri May 11, 2012 6:11 am
Subject: A Phrase A Week - Square meal 		drcarstairs
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A Phrase A Week - Square meal

A square meal

Meaning

A substantial, nourishing meal.

Origin

It is frequently repeated, by tour guides and the like, that the expression 'a square meal' originated from the Royal Navy practice of serving meals on square wooden plates. Such plates did exist so that is a plausible story, but there's no other evidence to support it. In fact, the lateness of the first printed record (see below) pretty well rules this out as a credible theory. The Royal Navy's records and many thousands of ship's logs are still available and, if the phrase came from that source, it would surely have been recorded before the mid-19th century.
This 'square plate' theory is one of the best-known examples of folk-etymology. The phrase exists, the square plates exist, and two and two make five. To be more precise, what we have here is a back-formation. Someone hears the phrase 'square meal' and then invents a plausible story to fit it.
The word square has many meanings, including 'proper, honest, straightforward', and that's the meaning in 'square meal'. This isn't a rectilinear meal on right-angled crockery, but a good and satisfying meal.
The phrase is of US origin. All the early citations are from America, including this, the earliest print reference I have found - an advertisement for the Hope and Neptune restaurant, in the California newspaper The Mountain Democrat, November 1856:
"We can promise all who patronize us that they can always get a hearty welcome and 'square meal' at the 'Hope and Neptune. Oyster, chicken and game suppers prepared at short notice."
William Brohaugh, in the usually reliable 'English Through the Ages', dates the saying as having entered the language in 1840, although no supporting evidence is provided. There certainly was a spate of coinages of 'food words' in the USA around that date. The terms below all originated in the 1830s and 40s:
Chili con carne
Clambake
Cottage cheese 
Cupcake
Jerky
Tea cake
Tenderloin 
Tutti-frutti
Seafood
The use of 'square' to mean honest and straightforward goes back to at least the 16th century; for example, in 1591, in Robert Greene's Defence of Conny Catching:
"For feare of trouble I was fain to try my good hap at square play."
Soon after that, Shakespeare used it in Anthony and Cleopatra, 1606:
"She's a most triumphant Lady, if report be square to her."
Other phrases use the word with that same meaning, for example, 'fair and square', 'square play', square deal' etc. but these haven't had spurious derivations invented for them. Coincidentally, another phrase - the opposite of 'fair and square' - also has a false derivation relating to plates in the Royal Navy. The story goes like this. The square wooden plates that sailors received their food on had raised edges called 'fiddles'. If they took too much they were 'on the fiddle'. Perhaps 'story' is being too kind; invention might be more accurate. The evidence for the prosecution is:
- There is no record of the edges of sailors' plates having any name, let alone a fiddle. No dictionary I can find lists that meaning. 
- Despite searching high and low, I've not been able to find any citation of the phrase 'on the fiddle' from before the 20th century, apart from those that clearly mean 'playing the violin'. There are several old 'fiddle' phrases - 'fiddle faddle', 'fiddling while Rome burns', 'second fiddle' etc., but no 'on the fiddle'.
In support of the story there is - well, nothing. It's never possible to prove a negative so, if you hear that derivation from a tour guide and ask for evidence they might just provide it. Don't bet the mortgage on it though; you're more likely to spot Elvis playing tiddlywinks with Lord Lucan.
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#36777 From: "nowyat" <nowyat@...>
Date: Fri May 11, 2012 8:19 am
Subject: Whis is it always the crazy, scary people with scissors... 		nowyat
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that run for president...  
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation_world/151061535.html  (That totally
sent a chill down my spine, just on a human level.)  Bully-In-Chief.  Bound to
win.  Wanders of muttering and puts headphones on to play music.

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#36778 From: Larry Lawton <LLMYSTIC7@...>
Date: Fri May 11, 2012 9:01 am
Subject: Chomsky: Do We Have the Makings of a Real Revolution? 		llmystic7
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I agree with everything Noam Chomsky says, except the last bit.  I can easily see the world, that is, human society, getting along quite well without the participation of the declining US empire.  I can easily see the US empire becoming irrelevant.  The American elite do not care about their society, unlike most elites.  They seem quite willing to loot their society and let it collapse, without realizing that their power only derives from their society.  But once the collapse occurs, it will be too late for the elite as well as the rest of us.  (It does not mean we will all die or anything.  It just means we will no longer be able to exploit the rest of the human world and the natural world to sustain an artificially enhanced lifestyle.  We will descend to "third world" status, and have to work very hard just to stay alive.)

Economic collapse will bring about military irrelevance.  No empire has ever been able to maintain military supremacy once their economy collapsed.  The elite seem to be doing everything they can to hasten economic collapse, though I suspect they really are ignorant and arrogant more than malicious.  I doubt if there is a conspiracy or any conscious desire to wreck the economy.  In some ways, it is like those who deny environmental damage caused by humans.  Economic damage caused by the greed and complacence of the elite is partly a result of thinking that the economic systems, like the environmental systems, are simply too big and too stable for a few humans to cause serious damage.

Though it will be unpleasant (at best) for those of us who are Americans, it may be best for the world, for humanity, and for the environment if the US empire collapses sooner rather than later.  So maybe the elite are doing the world a great favor!

Here is the article:


Peace,
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#36779 From: Larry Lawton <LLMYSTIC7@...>
Date: Fri May 11, 2012 9:15 am
Subject: Re: Whis is it always the crazy, scary people with scissors... 		llmystic7
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Do you really think right wing Christians will vote for a Mormon for president?

The elite love Romney.  He is one of them.  He not only tolerates vulture capitalism, he is a vulture capitalist, and proud of it!  Even the Newt, who is hardly a progressive in any sense, rightly criticized Romney's extremist economic elitism.  (Many of the elite like Obama just fine too.  He has served them well.)

But I don't think anyone else either likes or trusts this ultimate snake oil salesman, who makes Tricky Dick look like the most honest of politicians!  (Yes I know "honest politician" is an oxymoron.  At best, an honest politician is one who is out of office!)

So, Americans will hold their noses and vote for the lesser of evils, again.  If they bother to vote at all...

Peace,
*L*

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that run for president... http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation_world/151061535.html (That totally sent a chill down my spine, just on a human level.) Bully-In-Chief. Bound to win. Wanders of muttering and puts headphones on to play music.




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#36780 From: "Reason.com" <strikezero@...>
Date: Sat May 12, 2012 7:02 am
Subject: DrC. has sent you a link 		drcarstairs
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DrC. thought you'd be interested in the following article at Reason.com:

Facebook Co-Founder Eduardo Saverin Becomes Most Famous American to
Renounce His Citizenship Probably for IRS-Compliance Reasons
http://reason.com/blog/2012/05/11/facebook-co-founder-eduardo-saverin-beco

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#36781 From: Larry Lawton <LLMYSTIC7@...>
Date: Sat May 12, 2012 7:38 am
Subject: Re: DrC. has sent you a link 		llmystic7
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If rich people want to leave the US, they have every right to do so.*  If they are not benefiting from this society, they should not have to pay taxes here.  But those who choose to stay in the US, or own businesses or property here, should pay their fair share.  Right now they do not.  They get the lion's share of benefits but pay the mouse's share in taxes, if that!

Peace,
*L*

*I strongly believe that all people have the right to go anywhere on earth they choose to go, and governments have no legitimate right to stop or hinder the free movement of people.

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DrC. thought you'd be interested in the following article at Reason.com:

Facebook Co-Founder Eduardo Saverin Becomes Most Famous American to
Renounce His Citizenship Probably for IRS-Compliance Reasons
http://reason.com/blog/2012/05/11/facebook-co-founder-eduardo-saverin-beco




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#36782 From: "Dr. Carstairs" <strikezero@...>
Date: Sat May 12, 2012 9:36 am
Subject: Doctorin' The Tardis 		drcarstairs
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I am a bad Owner!
I should be spanked!
Unfortunately the only person I want to spank me isn't into that ;)
Oh well. We shall persevere!
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Sorry about the article being for pay  my bad.

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Monsanto
They are some nasty critters.
Did you hear they purchased a company looking into the Bee Colony Collapse
syndrome?
Yea, I am sure they is no maleficence going on there!
Asshats!

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Right-wing plot?
And who, pray-tell, is fostering this health care abomination on us?
Anyone? Anyone at all?

Its the so-called Liberal Democrats.

Lets call a spade a spade  its an authoritarian plot.

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Sound proof against disease
Interesting.
I guess that sonic screwdriver has a multitude of uses ;)

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Small Reactors
Call me a Pro!

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fMRI
Yes, the machines are expensive BUT once you have one the cost of usage is
small. Hades you probably use as much just keeping it in working order between
uses  might as well do something productive with it.

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Money, Social Credit, Spica
Call it what you will it is an artificial means of keeping score, making trade
easier. Here is a wonderful and smart-arsed video on what money is here:
http://youtu.be/vLr2if-BdA4

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Entities of the Watery Abyss
Creepy!
I like!

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I made Seitan
Cool! I could use a good, meatless meal.
It looks yummy! Unfortunately I have to watch my carbohydrate intake more than
my dead animal... protein intake.

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No idea of what I was doing!
My life in a nutshell.

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DNS Changer
I appear to be clean.
Mwahahahaha(Chough)!

As for the FBI, they have already noted your concerns and added your
already-sighed confession to their files.

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Salt-tolerant wheat
Agreed  this is a good thing.
And while some GM stuff is okay be my, even I get a little nervous when they
start with the transgenic plant/animal stuff. I fear we might reach this:

http://tinyurl.com/bm95dbv

Burr! Corn

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Liberating Microbes
Itty Bitty Teeny Wienie Shoggoths!
"Its the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine (Cough)."

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The Evil Visitor
Well, its only free to Prime members  of which I am not.
Oh well. I see the free stuff was time-limited and I missed it. Damn, I do want
to read it. Unfortunately I am swamped, right now I am reading a novel the
author asked me for critiques on before he releases the final version (yea, I am
bragging a bit).

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Viking Death Metal
Okay  right up there with Hebrew Hip Hip!
Its got a good beat, and visually it pretty spanky.
But boy am I getting old. I cannot understand his mouth-filled-with-marbles
screaming. And yes, I know I like Bolt Thrower  but they originated the
mouth-filled-with-marbles screaming.

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Beans, Beans the magical fruit
dried beans MUST be soaked, but there is a quick-soak option. I have never used,
so I cannot attest to how well it works.

"Rinse beans in cold water. Put them in a large pot and cover with about 3
inches of cold water. Bring almost to a boil (small bubbles appear around the
edges of the pot), cover, and remove from heat. Let sit for 1 hour. Drain. The
beans will be "soaked" and ready to cook."

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Flowers are just weeds with good PR.

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Internet addiction
I can quit any time, I just enjoy it socially. It doesn't dominate my life...
buffering? WTF? FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY LOAD! DAMN YOU! I NEED... Okay,
there it loaded. See no problem, but I have to go now  must view this
transsexual weed-wanker Knight Alien Porn video ;)

Seriously, I can do without it. Books are my friend. The internet makes it
easier, nicer  but it isn't essential.

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Good news
If it bleeds, or portents disaster, it leads. Its true no matter the bias of the
news source.
Still, its nice to see we are doing some things right.

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Welcome gipsi1959
Not much of a motorcycle nut myself, but I would love a Trike or a Vincent Black
Shadow with a Sidecar! That would be SWEET!

http://tinyurl.com/7ehpvau

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Kindle
I have a Fire, and my youngest is getting a Fire for graduation from my brother
and his wife. I get Scads of free books from Pixels of Ink (
http://www.pixelofink.com/subscribe/ ), Ereader News Today (
http://ereadernewstoday.com/category/free-kindle-books/ ), and BookBub (
http://www.bookbub.com ).

I have some PDF comics, and I have to say reading them on the Kindle is a pain
in the arse. There is a comic book app, but I don't read enough (or pay for
enough  Cheep am I) to merit using it.

Still, look around  surely someone has a Manga app for the kindle. Once my son
gets his I am damn sure he will find one (he LOVES Manga, just not that
boy-on-boy stuff you like :)

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Lights of Eon
Pretty cool.

As for Star Trek Fan Films, have you perused Phase II yet?
http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/

And these are also pretty cool, though not quite as cool as Phase II:
http://www.hiddenfrontier.com/

BTW  I know what this film was about. It was about...


wait for it...



fifteen minutes!
I know, I am an arse.

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Night of the Wolf
Pretty cool.

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Youtube exchange
Well, here are a few of my favorites.
Warning  the first one may not be quite safe for work. The last one certainly
is not!
http://tinyurl.com/cw7n39g

Yes, I know. I am male. I am a pig.

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Grim
Corrected link:
http://www.josephbspencer.com/

Looks interesting. I'll put it on my 'To-Read' list.

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Christian-conservative-libertarian-environmentalist-lunatic
Mwahahahah!
Well, my fiend there is no escaping it  you ARE a Libertarian!
Oh, you can fight it, say it isn't so, even howl at the moon  but its no use.
You might as well accept it and come out of the closet. We will be here for you
brother. You are ONE OF US!

And how, pray-tell, can I make this leap based upon you impassioned condemnation
of this mans ideas? Its simple and has two parts:

1  All Libertarians think all other libertarians are wrong, a little nuts, and
living in a fantasy world where the sky is green and marshmallow grow on trees.

2  It has been said that Libertarians are just scared Anarchist. As a
Libertarian I believe this. You seem to fear people will make the wrong
decisions in educating their children

On home schooling, sorry Charlie  Bastet is right and you are in error. They
consistently test better. Hades the biggest complaint seems to be the 
socialization (and on that I believe Bastet is correct. I would say its like the
Ultra-Christians screaming about prayer in school  they are not so concerned
with their kids but with making sure other peoples kids are pressured and
indoctrinated.). Now there is a weird anti-science slant to many Christian
home-schoolers (I don't get it, but I don't get them either), but that just
makes them less able in the future to find a job and compete  which is good for
my kids. Its evil, but its in my families favor for them to be so.

And in Europe, or many of the countries over there, the money follows the child.
If you want to send your child to another school the money goes with him. That's
called a School Voucher over here and it is also apparently verboten to the
'Progressives', especially those who have children in private schools (like
O'Bama). Got to keep the trash in their place you know!

You and I are actually on the same side concerning health care. I would like
everyone to have coverage, but I believe the system O'Bama put in place is
flawed, unconstitutional, and dangerous. Their has to be a better way.

Zoning laws and inherently racists (many were first enacted to make sure blacks
and Jews were kept in their places. Yes the Supreme Court ruled this illegal
pretty early in the argument, but illegal or not you know they found ways). They
are used to bludgeon people and are WRONG!

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Scott and Dickens
Sound like a new police drama on Lifetime!

I try to read the classics, but Dickens it not my favorite. Not sure about
Scott, though I am a big fan of his toilet paper ;)

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Dinogenic(s)
I like it. Have to be careful though, the L Ron Hubbard minions might take
umbrage and sue the pants off of you. Still it could make a hell of a
Religious/Bowel Movement ;)

I know  I am an arse.

Yes, it does support AGW. That is a fair cop.

And yes, the story is incomplete. But, then again, all stories are incomplete ;)

"There are no happy endings, because nothing ends." (Schmendrick  The Last
Unicorn)

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Romney
No fan of him am I. I will NOT vote for him. I also will NOT VOTE for Obama. I
will Vote.

Yes, the Evangelicals will vote for Romney. They may hold their noses, but they
will vote for him. Don't cont his Mormon-ness as a great liability. Its not a
big asset, but Kennedy got elected and the Evangelicals were scared crapless of
him and his ties to a foreign power (The Pope that is. Alter Boys. Fancy Capes.
The Roman Hillbillies!)

In the end I predict Obama will be re-elected and while I blame the Progressives
and Democrats somewhat the main blame lies in the Republicans and their abysmal
choices. (BTW I blame the Democrats and Progressives for Bushies second term.
Kerry? Really that's the best you could do? The man was a lying, opportunistic
bag of horse-squeezed hair gels).

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Chomsky
Shocking  The Occupy movement is big in his opinion. Personally I think they
are part of a bigger movement, one that includes the Tea Party (something I am
sure Chomsky despises). Personally the Occupiers seem to be whiny rich kids
protecting the wrong people  it should be Occupy Washington or Occupy (insert
State Capital Here), not Occupy Financial sector.

His observations of history, particularly the move from manufacturing to
financial manipulations and the concentration of wealth in those that manipulate
finances rather than create is spot-on.

Without the US imposed Pax (and it is that, mostly) things will get interesting
and kid of ugly.

Good!

I am tired of being the global mercenary. Let Europe and others take care of
their own damn messes! I am sick of it!

It's always the Economy. As it goes, so do your nations fortunes. Without the
cash our military excursions will have to be curtailed. Thank God!

Not sure the collapse of the US will be all that good for humanity or the world.
Our most-likely successor as Top Dog is China, and if you think the US is bad 
Woo Hoo! I have some land on the Yellow River for you ;)

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Flee my wealthy, Flee
I agree. If the business is making money here it should be taxed here. But if
you think that law confiscating money is aimed at the wealthy you have another
thing coming. Sore a few of them are getting it now, but assume you decide to
bail and sell your Grange hall and make for Fiji with that Latin Cabana Boy 
fine as long as you leave the money here. Its a totalitarian tactic straight out
of Stalin's alternative playbook (the one he used when killing wasn't an
option).

Mwahahahah(Chough)! Of course he never used it  Killing was always his first
and only option

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#36783 From: Judith Rogal <bastet43@...>
Date: Sat May 12, 2012 8:48 pm
Subject: Re: Doctorin' The Tardis 		bastet43
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>As for Star Trek Fan Films, have you perused Phase II yet?
http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/

>And these are also pretty cool, though not quite as cool as Phase II:
http://www.hiddenfrontier.com/

*******Yep i Finished Both of these.  That's what led me to go looking for more Star Trek stuff and how i ended up looking at the Light Eons thingy.  Same guy posted Red Shirt Blues.

>BTW – I know what this film was about. It was about...

wait for it...

fifteen minutes!
I know, I am an arse. 
************* Yeah that's kind of what i was wondering.

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#36784 From: "Dr. Carstairs" <strikezero@...>
Date: Mon May 14, 2012 11:39 pm
Subject: Finlly - the BCA! 		drcarstairs
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Oh My God!
I cant breath!
That is FABOO!
DrC.

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#36785 From: "Dr. Carstairs" <strikezero@...>
Date: Mon May 14, 2012 11:51 pm
Subject: This student film carries more of an emotional punch than most movies! 		drcarstairs
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http://tinyurl.com/bu4jzmu
Enjoy.
DrC.

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#36786 From: Brynneth Nimue Brown <brynnethnimue@...>
Date: Wed May 16, 2012 7:51 am
Subject: book footage 		bryn_colvin
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Hello lovely people, Archaia have posted a little video of someone
flipping slowly through the hardcover of Hopeless Maine part 1, Personal
Demons.

We're really pleased with how intense the colours look, and there's the
whole element of 'that's my baby' (waiting to get to hold it myself.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziaZFBK3Zow&sns=fb

Bryn
(who is also Nimue)

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