--- On Sat, 1/2/10, Patrick E. Mower <pmower@dslextreme.com> wrote:

Please speck kindly of my beloved M-28s....the other brand were real nightmare's  3 of us maintenance guys keep a floor of them working with no
circuit down time for 3 years.
From: Patrick E. Mower <pmower@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: [Air Force Security Service] Memories
To: airforcesecurityservice@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 10:08 AM

Hah!

When I first got to Pakistan, because I was a "speedy typer", I was assigned for a day to due a report on the IBM026, which we then converted to Five-Level (not the 8-level) tape.  Corrected it, then sent it out, NIGHTLY!

My final job was opscommer - running the Mod-28 in the S&W for Jim Lenz....what a great time!

Pat

Dale Cox wrote:
 

Oh No. I opened up Youtube and there was my arch nemisis chattering away. The dreaded
teletype. I still have nighmares to this day about that infernal contraption.
Every night after 00:00 hours at Karamursel I would write the TECSUM and put it on tape
for transmission. I would sit at one of those machines, bow, and give offerings. If it was
in a good mood it would allow me to punch the tape with a minimum of errors.
If not..... I would spend many anxious minutes making corrections.
 You guys may not believe this, but I swear, those machines could switch from lowers to UPPERS at their own whim. Then they would sit there and chatter at me like excited
Chipmunks... .. laughing at me.
 Believe you me, I was so glad to see the computer arrive when all you had to do was hit
the backspace key to make corrections.
 
 Dale

--- On Sat, 1/2/10, Lenard <lenardb44@yahoo. com> wrote:

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=3YilYg8ZSXA&NR=1

------------ --------- --------- ------

Yahoo! Groups Links

--- On Sat, 1/2/10, Patrick E. Mower <pmower@...> wrote:

Please speck kindly of my beloved M-28s....the other brand were real
nightmare's� 3 of us maintenance guys keep a floor of them working with no
circuit down time for 3 years.
From: Patrick E. Mower <pmower@...>
Subject: Re: [Air Force Security Service] Memories
To: airforcesecurityservice@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 10:08 AM







Hah!

When I first got to Pakistan, because I was a "speedy typer", I was assigned for
a day to due a report on the IBM026, which we then converted to Five-Level (not
the 8-level) tape.� Corrected it, then sent it out, NIGHTLY!

My final job was opscommer - running the Mod-28 in the S&W for Jim Lenz....what
a great time!

Pat

Dale Cox wrote:
�






Oh No. I opened up Youtube and there was my arch nemisis chattering away. The
dreaded
teletype. I still have nighmares to this day about that infernal contraption.
Every night after 00:00 hours at Karamursel I would write the TECSUM and put it
on tape
for transmission. I would sit at one of those machines, bow, and give offerings.
If it was
in a good mood it would allow me to punch the tape with a minimum of errors.
If not..... I would spend many anxious minutes making corrections.
�You guys may not believe this, but I swear, those machines could switch from
lowers to UPPERS at their own whim. Then they would sit there and chatter at me
like excited
Chipmunks... .. laughing at me.
�Believe you me, I was so glad to see the computer arrive when all you had to do
was hit
the backspace key to make corrections.
�
�Dale

--- On Sat, 1/2/10, Lenard <lenardb44@yahoo. com> wrote:




http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=3YilYg8ZSXA&NR=1



------------ --------- --------- ------

Yahoo! Groups Links

 

You're correct about SIGINT predating the Civil War, but being formalized during that war.  As you can see, that is when both the Federals and the Confederates initiated the first Airborne units.       Close examination of this photo shows some of our Airborne buddies getting ready for their first flight. I think I  recognize a few of them.    Dale     --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Bob Clerc <kerplunk@clercfamily.net> wrote: ................// But I thought USAFSS was active during the Civil War. Why weren't you there? More seriously, believe the Civil War is regarded as the the earliest formal SIGINT. Believe one side (or both) put observers in, I think, balloons so could intercept flag signals of the enemy. Think I read that somewhere along the way. But gotta think that intercept of various kinds of signals was practiced long before our Civil War--the War Between the States. Bob ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/airforcesecurityservice/ <*> Your email settings:     Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/airforcesecurityservice/join     (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email:     airforcesecurityservice-digest@yahoogroups.com     airforcesecurityservice-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:     airforcesecurityservice-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:     http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

 

Oh No. I opened up Youtube and there was my arch nemisis chattering away. The dreaded teletype. I still have nighmares to this day about that infernal contraption. Every night after 00:00 hours at Karamursel I would write the TECSUM and put it on tape for transmission. I would sit at one of those machines, bow, and give offerings. If it was in a good mood it would allow me to punch the tape with a minimum of errors. If not..... I would spend many anxious minutes making corrections.  You guys may not believe this, but I swear, those machines could switch from lowers to UPPERS at their own whim. Then they would sit there and chatter at me like excited Chipmunks..... laughing at me.  Believe you me, I was so glad to see the computer arrive when all you had to do was hit the backspace key to make corrections.    Dale --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Lenard <lenardb44@yahoo.com> wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YilYg8ZSXA&NR=1 ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/airforcesecurityservice/ <*> Your email settings:     Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/airforcesecurityservice/join     (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email:     airforcesecurityservice-digest@yahoogroups.com     airforcesecurityservice-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:     airforcesecurityservice-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:     http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

From: George Montague

Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 2:37 PM

To: airforcesecurityservice@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [Air Force Security Service] Re: Art Prints

If you can't find a buyer at your valuation, have you looked at what you could save in Tax by donating them.

George

On 03/01/2010, at 8:02 AM, Billy Tolbert wrote:

Well, thanks for the suggestion.  Actually, we want to sell them.  Right now, all the prints are valued at about $17,000.  Now that doesn�t mean we will get all that but it should be close.

 

Billy

Special Signals

Searching From DC to Light

 

From: airforcesecurityservice@yahoogroups.com [mailto:airforcesecurityservice@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Hopper
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:41 PM
To: airforcesecurityservice@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Air Force Security Service] Re: Art Prints

 

You could donate them to a local historical or Civil War society and get a tax receipt for them.  That way, you could still go visit them and see Mr. Jackson any time.

 

Barb

----- Original Message -----

From: Billy Tolbert

To: Bats

Cc: pwgers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:22 AM

Subject: [Air Force Security Service] Art Prints

 

Since we bought our house, we have discovered that there is not room on the walls for our Civil War prints.  If any of you might know of anyone that collects or any art houses that would put them on consignment, let me know.

We have the following:

 

Kuntsler�s

Confederate Christmas  629/1250

Winter Riders  1346/3000

Till We Meet Again  1452/2700

Confederate Winter  745/950

 

Trioni�s

Company D  670/750

 

I find it difficult to give up �Till We Meet Again�  since it is one with Stonewall Jackson.  My main man.

 

Billy

Special Signals

Searching From DC to Light

 

Ain't no Chinee in them pictures.

That first pic (of Chiang) is just a come-on for a recently deceased legend of San Diego County, "King Stahlman".   His T-shirts are worn all over the county.  Yes, worn by doctors, lawyers, even Indian  chiefs  . . .  oops . . .  I mean by large missionary women escorted by exotic natives - 

                                    Cody        Sister Melissa        Travis

http://www.kingstahlmanbail.com/merchandise.html

'Chinee'? 

Pshaaa!

--- In airforcesecurityservice@yahoogroups.com, Yeff <zoomie@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have an internet friend who did psyop stuff in Viet Nam. He's now got
> to leaflets sent from Taiwan to the mainland that he'd like help
> translating.
>
> If anyone can help the leaflets are attached.
>
> Thanks for any help you can be.
>
>
> Forwarded by Yeff zoomie@...
>
> ----------------------- Original Message -----------------------
> From: Herb Friedman sgmbert@...
> To: zoomie@...
> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 11:43:15 -0800
> Subject: Chinese translations
> ----
>
>
> Since you have a group, I am going to send you two pieces that depict
> great Chinese leaders. In each case there is a small quote certainly
> favorable to the Nationalists and anti-PRC.
>
> The first one here is Chiang. I will be satisfied with just the text on
> the front. If anyone is willing to do the back that would be great, but
> I don't want to be greedy.
>
>
> --------------------- Original Message Ends --------------------
>
> -Jeff B.
> zoomie@...
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Billy Tolbert

To: Bats

Cc: pwgers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:22 AM

Subject: [Air Force Security Service] Art Prints

Since we bought our house, we have discovered that there is not room on the walls for our Civil War prints.  If any of you might know of anyone that collects or any art houses that would put them on consignment, let me know.

We have the following:

 

Kuntsler�s

Confederate Christmas  629/1250

Winter Riders  1346/3000

Till We Meet Again  1452/2700

Confederate Winter  745/950

 

Trioni�s

Company D  670/750

 

I find it difficult to give up �Till We Meet Again�  since it is one with Stonewall Jackson.  My main man.

 

Billy

Special Signals

Searching From DC to Light

 

Hi,

I have an internet friend who did psyop stuff in Viet Nam.  He's now got
to leaflets sent from Taiwan to the mainland that he'd like help
translating.

If anyone can help the leaflets are attached.

Thanks for any help you can be.


Forwarded by Yeff <zoomie@...>

----------------------- Original Message -----------------------
From:    Herb Friedman <sgmbert@...>
To:      <zoomie@...>
Date:    Sat, 2 Jan 2010 11:43:15 -0800
Subject: Chinese translations
----


Since you have a group, I am going to send you two pieces that depict
great Chinese leaders. In each case there is a small quote certainly
favorable to the Nationalists and anti-PRC.

The first one here is Chiang. I will be satisfied with just the text on
the front. If anyone is willing to do the back that would be great, but
I don't want to be greedy.


--------------------- Original Message Ends --------------------

-Jeff B.
zoomie@...

>
> The Confederacy sometimes employed feared, fanged lizardipods to perform
> clandestine missions 'beyond the wire' -
>
> an31
>
>     You think he's ugly?  You should see his sister.

You're right. Woke up with her one morning.

Bob

 

> The revolution has been going on since 1492.
>
> Chiefus

If you mean the conflict between Europeans and the folks already here--I
have a hard time with Native American for reason that I'll try to
wrestle with later--that was a conflict of conquest. If talking about
the ties between primarily England and settlers here, my limited
knowledge of history suggests that both sides of the Atlantic were
fairly content with the status quo until the 1770s, albeit there were
probably always those on both side that were unhappy.

If you are talking about those who followed Columbus on the 'mainland'
and the "Indians", that was not a revolution but a struggle of conquest.
But 1492 was almost certainly not the beginning of that struggle. You
probably know more about this than do I, but supposedly "Indians" came
via the Bering land bridge from Asia--and, for that matter, could have,
ironically, come earlier to Asia from the Indian land mass. But when the
latest migration from Asia came, they may have conquered "natives" who
were already here.

BTW, because of Columbus reportedly having thought he had landed in
India, thus naming those already here "Indians' has always been a
problem. (I think that's nonsense--there long had been trade with India
and Columbus almost certainly knew the natives of our landmass were not
"Indians".) But 'Native Americans" is not a solution, as all of us born
here, no matter our ancestry, are native Americans. And for that matter,
were the folks that Columbus encountered really the Natives or were
they just the wave that conquered the earlier "natives'.

And bad as the continuation of slavery in the launch of the United
States of America, there was a rationale for it, no matter how horrible
that rationale was. But treatment of those already here made no sense on
any level and makes even less sense today.

Bob

During the 1800s, military commanders relied on cavalry, scouts, and reconnaissance parties for most of their tactical intelligence. Prior to Samuel F.B. Morse's invention of the electric telegraph in 1844, the military communicated with visual signals. The U.S. Army Signal Corps, formed in 1860, was responsible for these signals. In the 10 years after the invention of the telegraph its use would quickly spread across the U.S. with over 23,000 miles of telegraph wire going up prior to the start of the Civil War. Although the Signal Corps made use of this new technology it wasn't until 1867 that the electric telegraph, in addition to visual signaling, became a Signal Corps responsibility.

During the Civil War (1861-1865) neither the Union or the confederacy had a formal, high-level military intelligence service, although both engaged extensively in clandestine activities. A few of these actions were intercepting and decoding telegrams and intercepting mail. In June of 1861 the first electronic transmission of intelligence information occurred. Using a telegraph instrument aboard a captive balloon during the Battle of Fair Oaks, a Union observer reported his aerial observations of Confederate troop movements. This marked the first use of telegraphy from an airborne platform and the first air-to-ground communications of the Civil War. With the use of the telegraph the U.S. Army had for the first time an electronic Command, Control and Communications (C3) system. And, for the first time, telegraph lines were tapped and messages intercepted. Captain Anson Stager, head of the Military Telegraph Service, established in 1861, developed a cryptosystem to provide an elementary safeguard against wiretapping.

http://www.nasaa-home.org/history/his1.htm

The Confederacy sometimes employed feared, fanged lizardipods to perform clandestine missions 'beyond the wire' -

You think he's ugly?  You should see his sister.

--- In airforcesecurityservice@yahoogroups.com, Dale Cox <dalecox6064@...> wrote:
>
>
>   You're correct about SIGINT predating the Civil War, but being formalized during that
> war.
>  As you can see, that is when both the Federals and the Confederates initiated the first Airborne units.
>  
>  
>   Close examination of this photo shows some of our Airborne buddies getting ready for
> their first flight. I think I  recognize a few of them.
>  
>  Dale
>  
>  
>
>
> --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Bob Clerc kerplunk@... wrote:
>
>
>
> ................//
>
> But I thought USAFSS was active during the Civil War. Why weren't you
> there?
>
> More seriously, believe the Civil War is regarded as the the earliest
> formal SIGINT. Believe one side (or both) put observers in, I think,
> balloons so could intercept flag signals of the enemy. Think I read that
> somewhere along the way. But gotta think that intercept of various kinds
> of signals was practiced long before our Civil War--the War Between the
> States.
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

> The revolution has been going on since 1492.
>
> Chiefus

If you mean the conflict between Europeans and the folks already here--I
have a hard time with Native American for reason that I'll try to
wrestle with later--that was a conflict of conquest. If talking about
the ties between primarily England and settlers here, my limited
knowledge of history suggests that both sides of the Atlantic were
fairly content with the status quo until the 1770s, albeit there were
probably always those on both side that were unhappy.

If you are talking about those who followed Columbus on the 'mainland'
and the "Indians", that was not a revolution but a struggle of conquest.
   But 1492 was almost certainly not the beginning of that struggle. You
probably know more about this than do I, but supposedly "Indians" came
via the Bering land bridge from Asia--and, for that matter, could have,
ironically, come earlier to Asia from the Indian land mass. But when the
latest migration from Asia came, they may have conquered "natives" who
were already here.

BTW, because of Columbus reportedly having thought he had landed in
India, thus naming those already here "Indians' has always been a
problem. (I think that's nonsense--there long had been trade with India
and Columbus almost certainly knew the natives of our landmass were not
"Indians".) But 'Native Americans" is not a solution, as all of us born
here, no matter our ancestry, are native Americans. And for that matter,
   were the folks that Columbus encountered really the Natives or were
they just the wave that conquered the earlier "natives'.

And bad as the continuation of slavery in the launch of the United
States of America, there was a rationale for it, no matter how horrible
that rationale was. But treatment of those already here made no sense on
any level and makes even less sense today.

Bob

 

> Billy you might want to contact:
>
> Museum of Southern History
> 4304 Herschel St, Jacksonville, FL
> (904) 388-3574
>
> It is a small outfit but is interested in things
> related to the Confederate States.
>
> Other than that, I do not know anything about them
> personally.
>
> Lenard

But I thought USAFSS was active during the Civil War. Why weren't you
there?

More seriously, believe the Civil War is regarded as the the earliest
formal SIGINT. Believe one side (or both) put observers in, I think,
balloons so could intercept flag signals of the enemy. Think I read that
somewhere along the way. But gotta think that intercept of various kinds
of signals was practiced long before our Civil War--the War Between the
States.

As a complete aside, just finished watching the History Channel series
"The Revolution" on DVD. Kinda dissappointed. Learned some things--I had
no idea how protracted the Revolution was nor the extent of hardship of
American combatants--but was disappointed at the lack of aggressive
insight into the attitudes of the Colonists. Some but not near enough.

Bob

> Billy you might want to contact:
>
> Museum of Southern History
> 4304 Herschel St, Jacksonville, FL
> (904) 388-3574
>
> It is a small outfit but is interested in things
> related to the Confederate States.
>
> Other than that, I do not know anything about them
> personally.
>
> Lenard

But I thought USAFSS was active during the Civil War. Why weren't you
there?

More seriously, believe the Civil War is regarded as the the earliest
formal SIGINT. Believe one side (or both) put observers in, I think,
balloons so could intercept flag signals of the enemy. Think I read that
somewhere along the way. But gotta think that intercept of various kinds
of signals was practiced long before our Civil War--the War Between the
States.

As a complete aside, just finished watching the History Channel series
"The Revolution" on DVD. Kinda dissappointed. Learned some things--I had
no idea how protracted the Revolution was nor the extent of hardship of
American combatants--but was disappointed at the lack of aggressive
insight into the attitudes of the Colonists. Some but not near enough.

Bob

Billy you might want to contact:

Museum of Southern History
4304 Herschel St, Jacksonville, FL
(904) 388-3574

It is a small outfit but is interested in things
related to the Confederate States.

Other than that, I do not know anything about them
personally.

Lenard

--- In airforcesecurityservice@yahoogroups.com, "Billy Tolbert" <b2btolbert@...>
wrote:
>
> Since we bought our house, we have discovered that there is not room on the
> walls for our Civil War prints.  If any of you might know of anyone that
> collects or any art houses that would put them on consignment, let me know.
>
> We have the following:
>
>
>
> Kuntsler's
>
> Confederate Christmas  629/1250
>
> Winter Riders  1346/3000
>
> Till We Meet Again  1452/2700
>
> Confederate Winter  745/950
>
>
>
> Trioni's
>
> Company D  670/750
>
>
>
> I find it difficult to give up "Till We Meet Again"  since it is one with
> Stonewall Jackson.  My main man.
>
>
>
> Billy
>
> Special Signals
>
> Searching From DC to Light
>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YilYg8ZSXA&NR=1

Gang:  The response to my earlier request (posted below) has been
tremendous!  Charlie now has fans in 35 states, four Canadian provinces,
Iraq, Japan and Germany.  I would like to add the remaining 15 states to
that list.  The lady who is behind this project sees Charlie almost
daily, and the first thing he wants to do is check the mail.  She is
also making a scrapbook for him with all the responses.  So if you are
from one of the states below, please take a moment and post a short
congratulatory note.  If you are not on Facebook, email me and I'll see
that it gets there.  Thanks much for making 2010 a very special year for
a very special person.

Lonnie

Nevada
Utah
Wyoming
Nebraska
Idaho
Ohio
Massachusetts
Maine
Vermont
Rhode Island
Delaware
Kentucky
Georgia
Alabama
Mississippi

***

Got a big favor to ask.
Charlie Burkhardt is a local person with some disabilities.  Although a
45-year old grown man , his mental capacities are diminished.  At a
basketball game last week, he was honored as "Anadarko Warriors Biggest
Fan," complete with a ceremony at center court, pictures, tee-shirts, etc.
Charlie never misses a game, and is, indeed, the biggest fan.  He has
become a fixture here, and works at a local sheltered workshop.  At one
time, I was on the Board of Directors for that shop.
For those  of you on Facebook, and if you are so inclined, I'm
requesting that you join that group.  We are a diverse group spread all
over the US.
For those not on Facebook, send an email to me addressed to Charlie and
I'll copy them and see that he gets them.

Appreciate it, and thanks much.

Lonnie

Tom,

 

Which one gets deployed?

 

> Don't Ever question the bravery of American soldiers again!

Tom,

Which one gets deployed?

--- In airforcesecurityservice@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Beard" <tomasbeard@...> wrote:
>
>
> Don't Ever question the bravery of American soldiers again!
>