Jackie, bear with me a littl longer.  I am in the process of moving into a
studio space (yay!) and for the past couple of months my supplies have been
packed up.

I'll send the kick-off for this collaborative within the next couple of
weeks.

In the mean time anyone else interested in getting involved with this
collage?  Never too late to jump in!

Tufani
www.tufani.com

------Original Message------
From: "Tufani Mayfield" <tufani@...>
To: trance-artists@egroups.com
Sent: January 5, 2001 3:16:02 PM GMT
Subject: [TRANCE eGuild] Ancestral Self Collaborative STATUS


Jackie, bear with me a littl longer.  I am in the process of moving into a
studio space (yay!) and for the past couple of months my supplies have been
packed up.

I'll send the kick-off for this collaborative within the next couple of
weeks.

In the mean time anyone else interested in getting involved with this
collage?  Never too late to jump in!

Tufani
www.tufani.com

peace, I expressed intrest when the project started! count me in !

Senemeh kes ner amen

May the Ancestors guide your hands and hearts
http://home.att.net/~tufani

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----- Original Message -----
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Subject: RE: [TRANCE eGuild] Ancestral Self Collaborative STATUS


> ------Original Message------
> From: "Tufani Mayfield" <tufani@...>
> To: trance-artists@egroups.com
> Sent: January 5, 2001 3:16:02 PM GMT
> Subject: [TRANCE eGuild] Ancestral Self Collaborative STATUS
>
>
> Jackie, bear with me a littl longer.  I am in the process of moving into a
> studio space (yay!) and for the past couple of months my supplies have
been
> packed up.
>
> I'll send the kick-off for this collaborative within the next couple of
> weeks.
>
> In the mean time anyone else interested in getting involved with this
> collage?  Never too late to jump in!
>
> Tufani
> www.tufani.com
>
> peace, I expressed intrest when the project started! count me in !
>
> Senemeh kes ner amen
>
> May the Ancestors guide your hands and hearts
> http://home.att.net/~tufani
>
>
>
>
> May the Ancestors guide your hands and hearts
> http://home.att.net/~tufani
>
>
>

hi there.
it's funny, we have an egroup (2 of them..) as well.
I'm the editor and founder of a non-profit org called ART for Change
(dot org) http://www.artforchange.org. our mission is to promote
multiculturalism through the power of the arts & creativity. we will
be having a fundraising event on MArch 1st or March 4th in NYC in
Soho and are looking to see if you artists would be interested in:
1. showcasing your works at the fundraiser
2. be interested in showcasing your work in our "virtual gallery"
online.
3. be interested in having gallery shows in spanish harlem, where our
physical gallery will be...

Please contact me if you're interested in our cause, or whatever!

cynthia!
212.541.2857

Hi Cynthia,

I am an artist, living outside NYC, but in and out of the city frequently.

I would love to participate in your fundraising event and virtual gallery, etc. You can take a look at some of my work at wwar.com and w3art.com. Just look for my name: Riva Weinstein.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Riva

  cynthia.wang@... wrote:

hi there.
it's funny, we have an egroup (2 of them..) as well.
I'm the editor and founder of a non-profit org called ART for Change
(dot org) http://www.artforchange.org. our mission is to promote
multiculturalism through the power of the arts & creativity. we will
be having a fundraising event on MArch 1st or March 4th in NYC in
Soho and are looking to see if you artists would be interested in:
1. showcasing your works at the fundraiser
2. be interested in showcasing your work in our "virtual gallery"
online.
3. be interested in having gallery shows in spanish harlem, where our
physical gallery will be...

Please contact me if you're interested in our cause, or whatever!

cynthia!
212.541.2857


May the Ancestors guide your hands and hearts
http://home.att.net/~tufani

Riva

I notice on your footer that you deal with jewelry
making.  I need to get some large tumbled gemstones
(garnet, cernelian, moonstone, malachite) for some new
pieces that I am putting together.  Also do you (or
anyone else here) know where I could get powderized
gemstones, and silver/gold powder?  Or paints that have
real gold/silver in them?

Thanks!

Tufani
>
>
> Hi Cynthia,
> I am an artist, living outside NYC, but in and out of the city frequently.
> I would love to participate in your fundraising event and virtual gallery,
etc.
> You can take a look at some of my work at wwar.com and w3art.com. Just look
for
> my name: Riva Weinstein.
> Looking forward to hearing from you.
> Riva
>   cynthia.wang@... wrote:
> hi there.
> it's funny, we have an egroup (2 of them..) as well.
> I'm the editor and founder of a non-profit org called ART for Change
> (dot org) http://www.artforchange.org. our mission is to promote
> multiculturalism through the power of the arts & creativity. we will
> be having a fundraising event on MArch 1st or March 4th in NYC in
> Soho and are looking to see if you artists would be interested in:
> 1. showcasing your works at the fundraiser
> 2. be interested in showcasing your work in our "virtual gallery"
> online.
> 3. be interested in having gallery shows in spanish harlem, where our
> physical gallery will be...
>
> Please contact me if you're interested in our cause, or whatever!
>
> cynthia!
> 212.541.2857
>
>
> May the Ancestors guide your hands and hearts
> http://home.att.net/~tufani
>
>
>
> riva_isms@... stissing road, stanfordville, ny 12581(845) 868-1008
riva
> weinstein - creative direction, concept development & copywritingriva-isms -
> fine silver jewelry, good luck charms & talismansmagic medicine workshops -
art,
> creativity & empowerment classes
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.

This is a fantastic online presentation, Pggy.  Is that your work?
How did the event go in November?

Tufani


--- In trance-artists@egroups.com, P1d2o3b@a... wrote:
> I'd welcome feedback from the TRANCEeGuild on
> <www.International-behind-the-barcode.org>   It opens
> officially Nov 24.  Peggy

I'm resending this because the subject came out so
obscure AND I misspelled Peggy's name.

Tufani

Original message follows
> This is a fantastic online presentation, Peggy.  Is that your work?
> How did the event go in November?
>
> Tufani
>
>
> --- In trance-artists@egroups.com, P1d2o3b@a... wrote:
> > I'd welcome feedback from the TRANCEeGuild on
> > <www.International-behind-the-barcode.org>   It opens
> > officially Nov 24.  Peggy
>
>
>
>
> May the Ancestors guide your hands and hearts
> http://www.tufani.com
>
>
> (Send unsubscribe requests to tufani@...)
>

Just to make things a bit easier, I've created a shortcut
e-mail address (alias) which members of TRANCE can use
when they send messages to the group:

trance@... will work just as well as
trance-artists@egroups.com

Tufani

Tufani,

Here is a site/newsgroup that may be of help in your search for gems and powdered metals - and for anyone interested in jewelry techniques, info etc. In fact, I noticed a query about buyers for powered gold.

Riva

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             ~  "Andrew Cooperman" <gemboy@...>
                            Annealing

             ~  IMMENO1Ls@...
                            answer to: Retail arts/crafts show listings

             ~  Jess4203@...
                            Books on (casting) investments

             ~  "jesse" <jkbrennan@...>
                            Books on (casting) investments

             ~  "Margaret Malm" <kadok@...>
                            Books on (casting) investments

             ~  MidLife Crisis Enterprises <mlce@...>
                            Books on (casting) investments

             ~  blahnik3@... (Richard W Blahnik III)
                            Books on (casting) investments

             ~  JAGMAN425@...
                            cleaning white gold

             ~  "Dave Sebaste" <davesebaste@...>
                            Dialogue on perfectionism and the Artist's Way

             ~  "David L. Huffman" <dhuffman@...>
                            Dialogue on perfectionism and the Artist's Way

             ~  DROTTOCONNDAVE@...
                            Dialogue on perfectionism and the Artist's Way

             ~  Jewlguy@...
                            Dialogue on perfectionism and the Artist's Way

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                            Dialogue on perfectionism and the Artist's Way

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  Annealing
  From: "Andrew Cooperman" <gemboy@...>


Tom and Beth,

     Quenching nickel white golds in alcohol seems to be the answer to not
     only softer metal but, more importantly, crack and fissure free
     results.

     I never quench theses alloys when they are red however.  Always allow
     them to bench cool to "black heat" before quenching.  Not only is
     this safer, but results in metal that has not been thermally shocked.

     I have a friend who is an amazing goldsmith and he quenches all of
     his golds in alcohol.  Not only does it cut down on oxides and yield a
     better product, but you can move right to the mill w/ out worrying
     about rust.

Andy Cooperman

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  answer to: Retail arts/crafts show listings
  From: IMMENO1Ls@...


dave (et ux) -

     'sunshine artist' is a monthly magazine that more than meets what
     you're seeking & while it is published in winter park, florida, it
     lists shows all over the country with excellent coverage of the
     southeast. every issue of 'sunshine artist' has calendars of events
     state by state as well as 'audits' on shows submitted by artists &
     'stringers' (field reporters, not beaders); other publications list
     shows, but they do not furnish responses from artists who actually
     attended those shows. there are pages of shows by date; name; last
     year's attendance; type of show, acceptable work, & how it is juried
     - all based on an easily understood list; award amounts; fees; number
     of spaces & number of applicants last show; percentage of artists
     attending last year who would return this year.  'sunshine artist'
     also compiles the rating for the top 200 shows in the country based
     on artists' input - the september issue lists those shows in 3
     categories: fine art, fine craft, & traditional craft & explains why.
     no, we don't own any stock in the magazine - it's just the best
     source of what i need to know & subscription cost is under $30.00 a
     year. hope this helps -

ive

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  Books on (casting) investments
  From: Jess4203@...


Kayce:

     There are good books on jewelry casting by Murray Bovin and by Sharr
     Choate.  I believe the Bovin book is still in print and can be ordered
     from the major jewelry suppliers.  The Choate may be out of print, but
     you could probably find it at bn.com

HTH,
Roy

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  Books on (casting) investments
  From: "jesse" <jkbrennan@...>


     The best way to find some of these books is thru:
     http://www.bibliofind.com/

     The best source  for current Science based information will be down
     the hall at The Rio Grande Santa Fe Symposium proceedings.
     Particularly the up coming one looks very interesting.

     Also  you can subscribe to the ASM international on-line service
     Which I think is to metalurgy what  Medline is to medicine. (I'm too
     poor for this) The ASM booklist will contain some recent material.

     Most of the older ( 10 years +) published stuff will be based on
     information derived from experience rather than with modern
     instrumentation that can more properly show what is going on.

Jesse

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  Books on (casting) investments
  From: "Margaret Malm" <kadok@...>


     Kayce -- you might check out some of the online book finders, such a
     www.bookfinder.com and www.bibliofind.com and www.powells.com

margaret

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  Books on (casting) investments
  From: MidLife Crisis Enterprises <mlce@...>


>          any other source from which I could buy these books and b. any
>     otherbook on casting investments which is not included in this list.

     Have you done any net searches for used book sellers??  I have had
     great luck with http://www.Alibris.com  .  Found books on dairy, milk,
     cheese that were printed in 1890's to 1940's.  Price was very good,
     service was good too.

John Dach
--
MidLife Crisis Enterprises
Cynthia Thomas Designs

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  Books on (casting) investments
  From: blahnik3@... (Richard W Blahnik III)


Dear Kayce:

     Have you checked with rhe University book store, or the off campus
     book stores that katter to the used used books for campus classes? If
     the local University has a jewelry class they should have books
     pertaining to all phases of jewery making. The other places i have
     looked into before arethe first edition and rare book stores.
     Usually they are very helpfull in tat if they don't have what you are
     looking for they will use their computer powers to try and find you a
     copy of what you are looking for.  At least they do here in small town
     Lufkin, Texas USA.  I certainly think that big Albuquerque, New Mexico
     USA would have at least one of these specalty book stores. If you
     don't have one, try serching the web for first edition, out of print
     and remainder book suppliers.  Just a thought, as I have had to go
     this route before and have found them to very helpfull in the past.
     Especiallly on hard to find books, it's what they do and most love
     the challenge!!!

Richard Blahnik
Lufkin,  Texas
USA

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  cleaning white gold
  From: JAGMAN425@...


Hi Martin,

     I clean my white gold by pickling, and then if it is not perfectly
     clean I put it in a magnetic pin polisher . The small pins do a very
     good job of getting into the smallest area. After 10 minutes in the
     pin polisher, every surface is bright without using any Chemicals.We
     also use this process on gold and silver and have eliminated all
     dangerous and hard to dispose of Chemicals.Afterwards, We hand polish
     the item to perfection...or ...to whatever the customer wants. Before
     I had the magnetic pin polisher, If I had any problematic black spots
     due to soldering/ overheating,I would heat the piece evenly with a
     torch ( just hot enough not to melt the solder) and immediately quench
     it in pickle.This would usually solve the problem. If there was still
     some black areas, I used small Stainless steel pointed brushes mounted
     on my fordom flex shaft to remove it. We have not used any chemicals
     other than pickle in the last 7 years thanks to the magnetic pin
     polisher...we do a lot of finished products for companies in the USA
     Finland and Switzerland as well as casting for Jewelry stores.The
     jewelry stores that are in my area and have visited my shop have
     brought items here to try the pinpolisher and many have bought them
     for their repair departments(small one fromRay-Tech cost about $400)
     The advantage of these machines is that they do a flawless job inside
     complex stoneset rings that have impossible to polish areas under the
     stones and inside complex wire work.The time savings in a repair shop
     are incredible . These machines are available from www.contenti.com
     and Gesswein as well as other distributors.The smallest model is all
     that is neccessary . I hope this information is helpful.

Daniel Grandi

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  Dialogue on perfectionism and the Artist's Way
  From: "Dave Sebaste" <davesebaste@...>


     Reading Cynthia's response somehow triggered a mind-blowing memory,
     and if I could get my arms around this, maybe I've figured it all
     out! Several years ago my work was accepted into a fairly prestigious
     uptown gallery. As I was delivering the goods and displaying them,
     the gallery assistants were going through my "portfolio."

     One of the guys picked out a photo of a sterling silver overlay
     pendant in a bear claw pattern with a turquoise cab set in the paw and
     said he loved it. I told him that I probably still had it, but didn't
     bring it because it wasn't up to "my standards." I went on to explain
     that during the process of soldering the two sheets together, I had
     overheated the metal and it had warped. He said he'd still like to see
     it.

     On my next visit to the gallery I took the piece along. I showed it to
     the guy, and he could not buy it quickly enough. Noticing I was
     somewhat perplexed by his reaction to my "damaged goods", he said
     that was the characteristic he really liked about it! It was OBVIOUSLY
     handmade, and that was the appeal it had. How's THAT for mind
     blowing?!?

     I've seen featured work of other artists in publications and see how
     they are artistically incorporating this primitive or crude sense into
     fine (i.e., expensive) jewelry and I wonder how they can get away with
     it... at the same time recognizing my reaction as a possible
     limitation in my artistic development.

     Like Kay mentioned, all these years I've been trying to make
     everything look machine perfect. Could it be I'd  sell a lot more if
     my work was crude and had the look of something I would have done in
     high school? Oddly, I get positive comments on a recent photo I took
     one of the first bezel set pendants I ever did for my Mom when I was
     in high school. A huge copper piece with a 30x40 blue lace agate - I
     see it as so tacky and garish - and yet it evokes a positive reaction
     from people to this day!

     As an afterthought, I thought I'd blow an hour since I can illustrate
     this story! Ain't technology grand?!? I scanned the photos of these
     pieces and popped 'em up on a Web page. But wait! As an "added extra
     bonus"... I also threw in a sneak peek inside my studio! :)

     http://www.carolinaartisans.com/jan18_01.htm

     I digress... to continue, Cynthia's application of Julia Cameron's
     guidance to "just show up at the bench and do something" has got to
     be the lesson. Another sound-byte that has helped and I should take to
     heart is "I'll take care of the quantity... and God (or the Great
     Creator) will inspire me with the quality." Another one that can be
     applied to either the design or making process.

     I am apparently not a good judge of what people want or what will
     motivate them to fall in love with a piece of jewelry. I'm too close
     to the subject to make that evaluation, and have developed my own
     tastes... which apparently sometimes conflict with those of my
     customers (copper and blue lace... what was I thinking?). I should
     just enjoy being the conduit through which all these wonderful things
     are made, and let the buying public sort it all out. Maybe there's an
     owner for every piece we make, and it's just a matter of being
     persistent enough to find them. The need for perfection must be a
     projection of my own ego, not what customers really expect.

     Thanks to everyone who shared their thoughts on this matter! It has
     helps me put this question to a somewhat unsettled rest. Now, out to
     the studio with me!

Dave

Dave Sebaste
Sebaste Studio and
Carolina Artisans' Gallery
Charlotte, NC (USA)
dave@... <mailto:dave@...>

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  Dialogue on perfectionism and the Artist's Way
  From: "David L. Huffman" <dhuffman@...>


     Okay, since this thread is going on still, I've found myself pulled
     to put in my 2 cents.  Here it is.

     Of course, perfection in the purest sense of the word is theoretical,
     not real.  Go back and read Plato again.  Furthermore, perfection, as
     an expression, is irrelevant aside from its usefulness as metaphor or
     hyperbole.  I would like to suplant it with the word "excellence"
     here.  It too is, of course, a purely subjective piece of rhetoric.
     Where I would mean to use it is this:

     A piece exhibits excellence when it displays having met the highest
     personal standards of a talented and accomplished craftsperson.
     (pardon the awkward political correctness).

     So now, it is a case of two things, really. The first goal is to seek
     a level of refinement that is appropriate to the context of the work.
      No more, no less.  A level of refinement appropriate to a piece of
     silver and turquoise jewelry is probably not appropriate in an
     Edwardian engraved, pierced, platinum bracelet.  It would not be the
     best use of the materials, and would never explore the extent of
     refinement possible in that medium even using only hand methods.
     Likewise, to get as involved with a silver and turquoise piece as one
     would in the platinum piece would be silly, like carving
     Michaelangelo's David out of cheese.  You would never exploit the
     best characteristics of the silver and turquiose that way.  All you
     would have would be a silver/turquoise piece that was not designed to
     wear for very long.

     The second goal is to seek to meet one's own standard of one's best
     work.  Here's where the perfection we've been talking about starts to
     make trouble.  If you can't decide when a piece has met your own
     standards of your best work (a standard, by the way, that you can
     always raise later), you don't, in fact, have any standard at all!
     The time to raise your standard on yourself is not during the work
     itself.  It's when you set out on the new adventure of learning
     something new that will make your work more enjoyable to yourself
     (which is more important than "better").  You say, "I'm going to
     learn something I can't do yet."  We do this to assure ourselves we
     are not dead yet.  Seeking perfection, as we've been talking about
     it, is akin to looking in the handkerchief after you've blown your
     nose.  Morbidly fascinating, but usually disappointing and always in
     bad taste.

David L. Huffman

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  Dialogue on perfectionism and the Artist's Way
  From: DROTTOCONNDAVE@...


     my last thoughts on perfectionism. when i used to make casting models
     the company i worked for developed a philosophy (sort of my fault!)
     that no flaws in the model meant no problems down the line in
     production. we went so far as to measure our wt. in the thousands of a
     gram in silver high production pieces. as this was a diamond hack
     company this philosophy was only partially true as there are many
     other points that a casting can be damaged or flawed in the production
     process. but i digress. the result of this was to give my supervisor
     (a major control freak) a weapon to make me nuts. everything had to be
     perfect. this was when i learned the difference between superior work
     and fixing something just because it wasn't totally dead on.  . . the
     end came on a model that wasn't totally right it took two working
     days to fix it to my bosses satisfaction. . as it turned out there was
     an order for ten pieces at a profit of about seven dollars. this was
     in no way a good thing - many people suffered the rage of upstairs and
     it was impossible to explain why i took sooooo long on one piece., as
     my normal average was three to four finished models daily. the point
     is that even in a production model, were the flaws will be endlessly
     repeated the term enough is enough does apply. the final thought is in
     some rare cases when a piece has given me major problems that won't go
     away and setting it aside just hasn't worked there is one last resort.
      I've found running the torch up high and murdering the piece - hang
     the cost - often free's up my mind to solve the dilemma with a
     different approach since the troublesome work is now a puddle!!
     smashing it to bits with a hammer is also effective. works for me

Talk to you later Dave

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  Dialogue on perfectionism and the Artist's Way
  From: Jewlguy@...


     Dave in answer weather a client cares about a visible seam or not -I
     have found that in dealing with clients, you have to take a very
     individualized approach. Some may reel in anger over this minor qlich
     and others just want it to fit and hold up  - I've seen rings with
     seams come in that have been sized back in the 60's and are ready for
     reshanking, so the visible seam can hold up, it just may bother some
     folks  - but then these are the same people that are bothered as a
     rule of thumb. the angry client has probably been an angry person in
     general and the happy client is probably a happy person most of the
     time. Many times it is not you, but the client and you cannot always
     change an attitude, that may be a lifestyle or just focused at you at
     the time, no matter what you do. do your best and let (and even
     sometimes the client go). Obsession can make you crazy and broke-so
     can lots of other stuff, but at least enjoy it. No reason to be crazy
     and broke and miserable. Crazy, broke and blissful

Marty
www.simonestudios.com
in sunny FT. Myers, FL.

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  Dialogue on perfectionism and the Artist's Way
  From: "Kay" <bericho@...>


>          and remember that handmade is just that and to try to emulate
>     the perfection of a machine would be defeating the whole purpose
>     making your handmade creation in the first place. ........ i have
>     seen many flawlessly  executed and technically perfect pieces that
>     had all the emotion of a rock!

Dave:

     I so totally agree with you.. When I went to the Arts Council Craft
     Show, I was struck by the number of "perfect" pieces of jewelry so
     many of the jewelers were exhibiting and they all had the
     "originality"  and "excitement" of  a stick.  There were precious few
     jewelers exhibiting who IMHO showed any degree of emotional and
     personalized jewelry.  There were literally hundreds of  "perfect"
     diamond rings, and they all looked alike - while the few "not so
     perfect" art type rings fairly sang with excitement and invited
     wearing.  So I think, while we all need to strive to do excellent
     work, trying to reach perfection is not a good goal.  If every artist
     through the ages had only produced work that he thought was perfect,
     we'd have little art to show.  Most art is flawed somewhere - and if
     you look hard enough you can find the the flaw.  But why waste your
     time.

     To me trying for the "perfect" piece is equivalent to a baker
     measuring every piece of chopped nut to be sure they are all the same
     size and weight and texture and degree of moisture before putting
     them into the cookies only to realize later that while they were all
     perfect in all these ways, they had no flavor!

     Count me among those who strive to do their best but don't attempt to
     be perfect.

Kay

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  Dialogue on perfectionism and the Artist's Way
  From: "Loren S. Damewood" <lorenzo@...>


     The discussion of perfectionism has been quite interesting. I have
     (or had) a poster at work with the words: "Good, fast, cheap -- pick
     any two." Since my "real" job is in place where quality control is
     constantly struggling with production pressures, this conflict is very
     clear to me on a daily basis.

     The new corporate buzz-phrase is "six-sigma", which boils down to
     "let's not make any mistakes". D'oh. Need I say more on that?  ;-)

     In my jewelry, I have no way to achieve perfection, since I have to
     abuse my wire to a rather incredible degree in order to get it tied
     into the knots. Every pass through the knot involves another
     almost-kinked bend, another stressed area in the wire that needs to
     be annealed at least once before the piece is finally ready, for fear
     of cracking and breaking. I used to hate it when I'd get almost done
     and break a wire; most times I just scrapped it and started over, but
     there've been times when I had to bite the bullet and solder the
     break. I've never had one come out so bad at that point that it's
     lack of "perfection" destroyed its beauty, and I've learned to relax a
     bit and let things go, resulting in even better work as time goes on.

     In my opinion, the pursuit of perfection is good only as long as one
     can realize that it's a direction to be heading in, not a place to end
     up.

Loren

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  Digital Cameras
  From: Connie Fox <cfox@...>


     I have been using the Sony Mavika for the last couple of years. It
     took me one year to figure out how to take decent photos of silver
     jewelry. For months I got incredible reflections and distortions.
     Believe me, I tried everything. Outdoor light, pricey photographic
     lamps, etc.

     What I finally discovered to work is a cone made out of white
     photographic filter paper. The cone is about 18 inches high, the
     opening is about 8 inches in diameter. I have a circular platform with
     dark gray paper at the bottom of the cone which is removable. I do not
     use the flash. On the outside of the cone I have set up three lamps:
     one 150 watt bulb and two 45 watt bulbs. I put my camera on a tripod
     facing down (between the legs of the tripod) and into the top of the
     cone. My jewelry is placed on the platform in the cone. The light is
     very soft. I take my shots about 12-14 inches above the jewelry using
     auto focus. I don't bother with the timer. I hope this is helpful and
     understandable. You can see my photos at conniefox.com

Connie

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  Digital cameras-new user report
  From: ARJANINC@...


Attn Lee

     I read about the color problem you have with your camera. Most of the
     Cameras have a correction feature built into them such as red eye
     elimination which will conflict with your pictures of products with
     ruby or any red tints etc

     You will have this in all low end point & shoot cameras. You do need
     to have a manual overide to be able to get over this problem or you
     can do what I did. I got myself a daylight box.

     The day light box (made with special Halogen bulbs) gives a shadow
     free lighting alternative to using a flash. It actually elimiantes
     any hot spots. It also comes with a camera mounting bracket so that
I
     can use both my hands to adjust the object angle etc. If you have any
     questions I would be able to help you E mail  me  at
     ARJANINC@....

best of luck from snowy NewYork

Kenneth Singh

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  Digital cameras-new user report
  From: "Dave & Sue Knopp" <knopp@...>


     Hi everyone we got the nikon 990 for xmas and my husband and I just
     made a website using it and frontpage, (and dell as a service for only
     $ 29. a month.) if you would like to see the 200 pictures we put on,
     go to susanknoppenamels.com . we used natural light no flash, out
     doors ,under a porch.I used to use a 30 year old manual nikon with
     macro lense and photographed my enamels under a white sheet in full
     sun. It was difficult to get a perfect photo. The Nikon, once we read
     the directions worked great we shot all the photos in one day. I used
     a grey mattboard for the background.Click on the photos and you will
     see incredible details. We had a hard time making the thumbnail clear,
     mostly because of the enamels reflective surfaces, the vintage silver
     was no problem. I would also love feedback if any one has time!

  thanks sue knopp-susanknoppenamels.com

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  Digital cameras-new user report/scan stones
  From: JAGMAN425@...


Lee,

     You might try using a scanner for doing stones... then import into a
     photo program. you can put any kind of cloth background over the
     stone for ambiance. flat items come out really good on almost any
     scanner.The stone colours are less of a problem this way.

Daniel
racecarjewelry.com

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  Digital cameras-new user report
  From: "shreeji jewellery ltd." <shreejijl@...>


Hi everyone,

     I am writing from India. I am currently using Sony Digital Mavica -
     MVC-FD83 that i purchased from USA.

     Currently, I keep the piece 10 cms (4 inches) away from four
     flourousent white bulbs (100 Watts each) pointing from all four
     sides. I then place the camera about 30 cms (12 inches) away from the
     piece and click without flash.

     But i am having a tough time trying to get good pictures of jewelery
     consistently. If some one is using a similar camera, please help me
     with some info on the same.

Best Regards,
SACHIN MODI.

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  Enamel
  From: Fawniel Henshaw <Fawniel.Henshaw@...>


Beth

     This may sound dumb but, I don't know what Liver of Sulpher is.  Can
     you help me or tell me where to get it and how to use it?

Fawniel

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  Enamel
  From: "Laura Wiesler" <lwiesler@...>


>             Anybody who can help, I am in search of different ways to
>     color jewelry.  Right now we use vitreous enamel and I am in the
>     middle of testing epoxy, but I would love to try other things.  Any
>     ideas?

     Hi -- Dependiing on the style of the pieces that you are working on
     and the materials, you may want to try using Prismacolor pencils -- if
     you dip in water, they flow a lot like paint; if you have a textured
     surface, you can work the color into the crevices.  For instance, I've
     used them to color the surface of a copper electroformed piece.  I
     then used gold leaf over that and 'allowed' the color to show through
     the cracks I had in the gold leaf. You will, however, need to seal the
     surface.

Laura.
lwiesler@...

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  Engraving and Engraving Tools
  From: Ricky Low <rickylow@...>


     Hello Orchidians, Rick Hamilton, and other jewelry engravers out
     there. I've been reading the digest for quite some time as I've been
     very busy, but I thought to post and let you and some of the others
     who engrave in addition to making jewelry know about a new engraving
     tool that is on the market that I found out about and bought to try
     out. I have used pneumatics for several years(20+) and this is the
     best tool I have ever seen! It works off of an air supply like a
     gravermax, but the handpiece is 1/2 the size but still as powerful as
     the largest grs handpiece in my opinion. Actually, the handpiece is
     roughly the size of a standard graver and handle or about 3" long and
     feels and controls in your hand like a traditional graver. They are
     each handmade by one of the top engravers in the country, Steve
     Lindsay, a well known engraver, toolmaker, and knifemaker who has been
     making his own pneumatics and engraving for over 23 years.  His unique
     patented design differs in that it has no internal spring but rather a
     ingenious valve system that moves the piston both directions by air
     power. By doing away with the spring, it makes a tool that has a much
     wider power range and allows the tool to operate on very low psi's so
     that you can cut a very fine line with it because it doesn't have to
     overcome the resistance of the spring which hampers the very low end
     power. If you've ever tried to initiate a very precise cut with a
     pneumatic, you will know that the point where the handpiece starts to
     cut is very sudden on the low end which causes the graver to take off
     all of a sudden and to try to get away from you and not a gradual rise
     in power. The ones with springs have to have a certain amount of air
     power just to start the piston oscillating due to the resistance of
     the spring and this interferes with very fine cutting. This tool is a
     self oscillator and starts with just the most minute amount of air
     pressure. Most of the users of Lindsay's tool engrave under 10-40x
     and extremely detailed scenes, etc., so this is an issue, that it will
     cut very very fine cuts. It will execute wide deep cuts like western
     scroll easily, in steel even, and then cut very small, light shading
     as well without having to change to another handpiece like the other
     types of engravers on the market. The tool is also adjustable as to
     the length of the stroke which is relative to it's hitting power- a
     short stroke, the hits are very fast and lighter and a longer stroke,
     the hits are slower and heavier which further adds to it's
     versatility. The precision that can be acheived with this tool is
     amazing. They think that the hits/min are up in the 10s of thousands
     and this translates into very smooth cuts with no burs raised. All of
     these tools are individually made by Steve and tested by him before
     they are shipped out, and he does a lot of follow up after the sale to
     insure that you can operate it properly and that it is functioning
     properly and the manual that accompanies it is very detailed. My
     gravermeister hasn't been used since I got this tool and is just
     collecting dust as this tool simply has it beat, hands down!  Anyone
     that might want to know more about them can check out Steve's site at
     http://www.lindsayengraving.com

     *Disclaimer- I have no financial interest in this and receive no
     consideration whatsoever from Lindsay Engraving Inc. or Steve Lindsay
     in exchange for my opinion. I am simply a very satisfied customer and
     user of his tool and trying to let others know about what I think is
     the best equipment around for the work we do so that others might
     benefit from it.

Ricky Low
Houston, Texas

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  Glass tool supplies
  From: anne.londez@...


Hello everybody

     I have recently become interested in glass beads, bur I live in
     Europe and I would like to know if anyone knows of tools suppliers in
     Europe. I seem to find only suppliers in the US on the Net. Thanks


Anne

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  Gold inlay
  From: mfleet@...


     I have a friend who has contacted me wanting the forward sight of a
     gun inlaid with a thin line of gold.  Is there anyone in the Sun
     Rive, Oregon area that doews inlay or damascene who would be
     interested??


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  Help keep our services free
  From: "Christine Quiriy" <quiriy@...>

     David Popham, Hanuman, et al:

     I'm so used to being bombarded by adverts for things I don't want and
     don't need, so used to insulating myself from the persuasive
     influences of same, and fighting against the cultural imperative to
     "buy, buy , buy," that I'd forgotten that "ads can be a good thing."
     I, too, study the ads in various trade magazines.

     Christine in Littleton, MA, USA, where the ice dams are building up
     on the roof.

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  Help keep our services free
  From: IMMENO1Ls@...

     dear dr. a - ads wouldn't work for my designs, BUT what i would find
     as an easy & conscience calming solution is to have orchid set up an
     account with a secured online service such as PayPal, etc. so
     orchidites can charge an annual membership fee. every day you bring a
     multitude of services with your site: - news source,

     - employment referral, wage revelation,

     - jewelry related material & service provider resource,

     - think tank for ideas, work procedures, brainstorming, &
     instruction,

     - substitute for the dog who would be kicked otherwise,

     - psychiatrist, mother, dutch uncle, best friend, referee, &
     frequently, sole contact in a world of 'anyone out there?' for a lot
     of us,

     - confidence instiller (& the wee small voice/email off of the thread
     who knew when to bring a smile to a discouraged orchidite who needed
     one). you have become an integral trinity with pbs & npr (for
     non-usa: public broadcasting system & national public radio) in my
     life - if it works for pbs why shouldn't it work for orchid?

     in short, your efforts have placed orchid smack in the middle of our
     lives in such a way that we would all be less without it & you. so
     please, consider charging an annual fee - even on an 'honor system'
     basis you should realize enough from most of us to partially balance
     the outgo against the benefit we derive from you & your work. one X
     vote for membership - ive

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  Help keep our services free/we will advertise
  From: JAGMAN425@...

     I will be placing a banner on Orchid for our various departments as
     soon as our new websites are done.We are planning to offer cast
     findings such as settings,ring shanks and component parts . We also
     offer a complete casting and finishing service for jewelers,
     designers and for people who wish to market their products without
     the headache of manufacturing it themselves.

     Our other division (new) offers Cad/Cam/CNC modelmaking and will be
     producing corporate jewelry/giftware, badges and emblems etc... We
     manufacture items for customers in Gold, Sterling,Bronze, Brass and
     pewter.

     We are also planning on setting up our own webserver and will have
     the ability to host our customers websites at a reasonable cost .

     If anyone is interested, please contact: Daniel Grandi Racecar
     Jewelry Co. Tel: 401-461-7803 Bobby Hunter Badges of America  Tel:
     401- 270-1196 52 Glen Rd , Cranston, RI . 02920

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  Help keep our services free
  From: "jwilling" <jwilling@...>

     Hello Orchidians,  I like the idea of relevant ads on the website.
     It would be much more efficient as a buyer, to have a group of
     suppliers already grouped for ready comparison.  Rather like going to
     Tucson (G & M Show) on the web.   The most impressive thing about
     Orchid is the genuine, sincere helpfulness of its members.  Their
     unbiased exchange of information has influenced my own acquisions.
     Personally, I have bought (or intend to purchase) the following items
     as a direct result of postings on Orchid: a digital camera, rolling
     mill, citric acid pickle, non-tarnish sterling wire and sheet, ionic
     cleaner, repair of equipment, and drusy quartz.  It is safe to say
     that very few of these items would have been in my awareness, let
     alone easily available without Orchid.  Many thanks to Hanuman/Dr.
     Aspler for the excellent efforts in maintaining this fine forum.  As
     someone (I wish I could give the name) has said, Orchid Rules! Judy in
     Kansas Judy M. Willingham, R.S. Extension Associate 221 Call Hall
     Kansas State Univerisity Manhattan  KS  66506 (785) 532-1213     FAX
     (785) 532-5681

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  Help keep our services free
  From: Kayce Chidambaram <kchidamb@...>

     I would like to second Vinit Dhariwal.  I am a new member too and I
     am flattered by the responses that I received on my postings.  This is
     definitely a cozy, helping professional community.  Thanks for
     keeping it.

Kayce Chidambaram Ph.D.
Principal R&D Chemical Engineer
The Bell Group
7500 Bluewater Road NW
Albuquerque NM 87121-1962
Tel: (505) 839-3523
Fax: (505) 839-3525

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  Keystone  -- how to explain
  From: "Daniel Spirer" <spirersomes@...>

     Keystone is a markup on jewelry that is double the cost.  Pay $10.00
     wholesale.  Sell for $20.00 retail.

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  Keystone  -- how to explain
  From: "Gerry Koshman" <gkoshman@...>


     Keystone means 50% off retail price.  If an item were priced at $10.00
     and the dealer offered keystone to you it would cost you $5.00.

Gerry

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  Licensing agreements
  From: "Pam Chott" <SongofthePhoenix@...>

     Any input on licensing agreements would be appreciated.  In
     particular, I would like to know if any of you has had experience in
     this area, successful or otherwise.

     Would an attorney be essential or highly recommended or is there some
     kind of consultant for this kind of thing so that an attorney would
     be needed only in the execution of a contract?

     I have been looking on the web and find only some rather general
     information.

     Concerning royalty options, what might be the pros or cons of
     choosing a fixed amount per unit sold or a percentage of selling price
     vs. including a provision for payment of a specified minimum royalty
     regardless of sales volume the licensee actually generates?

     How to get accurate monthly or quarterly reports of sales and have
     access to licensee's books for verification?

     I think I understand most of the exclusive / non-exclusive issues but
     wonder if anyone has made what they thought was a good decision in
     this regard and had it come back to haunt them?

     I don't even know what all I should be asking.  Can anyone suggest
     references for helpful information?

     Thanks in advance, and again, Hanuman, thank you for this outstanding
     resource!

     Pam Chott Song of the Phoenix

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  Looking4 Buyer - Gold dust
  From: "Jeanette Wragg" <jwragg@...>

     Could you please tell me where I might be able to find a buyer for
     gold dust?  I would appreciate any help you might be able to
     provide..

Thanks,
Jeanette
jwragg81@...

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  Mediterranean Glass
  From: "Susan Chenoweth" <schenoweth@...>


     I have a client who has mentioned an interest in something called
     Mediterranean glass. Anybody out there have a clue what this is
     and/or anyone who carries it? I'm assuming it is a man-made
     substance but truly have no idea.

Sue

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  melting coins
  From: julie morrison <julie@...>


     I'm learning how to cast and my husband gave me some old (but not
     particularly valuable) silver coins to melt down. He says it's not
     illegal to melt coins that have been taken out of circulation.

     My instructor, however, says it IS illegal.

     Can somebody help me here?

julie morrison
greeneville TN

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  Milled metal suppliers
  From: "Razine Wenneker" <link-able@...>


     The 800 number for Hauser & Miller in St. Louis is 1-800 462 7447.
     Wonderful people.  They were extremely supportive of the Society for
     Midwest Metalsmiths when we hosted the SNAG conference in St. Louis
     in 1999.

Razine Wenneker, Manager
Ellie Rose LINK-ABLE Designs, L.L.C.
E-mail:  link-able@...

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  Photography silver
  From: Jerry & Norma Holt <jeranor@...>


Dave,

     I bought some from a guy several years ago, two or three pounds, as I
     recall. Melted it down and poured it into water to make casting grain,
     and have used it for casting as well as rolled it into wire and sheet.
     It's .999 as best I can figure. I don't know about any toxicity. The
     stuff I received was black when I got it, which I presume was oxide or
     sulphide but it poured out clean and silvery.

Jerry in Kodiak

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  Photography silver
  From: John Burgess <johnb@...>


>         An acquaintance has shown me a quantity (apparently several
>     ounces) of silver "powder", apparently recovered from some
>     photographic processing operation several years back. Has anyone
>     ever dealt with this stuff before?

     G'day;   shops and firms which do photographic processing on a fairly
     large scale use sodium or ammonium thiosulphate - and lately other
     chemicals - to 'fix' the image, and this dissolves unused silver from
     negatives and photographs.  There are a number of methods of
     recovering this waste silver which over a year or so can amount to a
     considerable amount of money.  Concentration is necessary, but to
     heat and evaporate the waste is expensive, and other methods are used.
      Deionising columns are often used to concentrate silver ions then
     treating the columns with other chemicals can release  the
     concentrated silver salts, which can be reduced to silver by
     electrolysis, and this method would result in fairly pure silver
     metal.

>     - Can I just melt it down in a crucible and pour an ingot? Any idea
>     of the purity?

     to arrive at a decisive figure for purity the silver would have to
     undergo assay by a competent laboratory

>     - Any residual chemicals or toxic elements I need to be aware of?

     Without complete  knowledge of the recycling of the silver in
     question, the answer can be no more than a guess, but I personally
     believe it should be free from toxic substances.

>     - Something best sent to legitimate refiner?

     Silver is a relatively cheap metal and refining and assay are
     expensive.  It could be that sending it to a refiner might not turn
     out to save much money relative to the cost of silver from an
     established company.

     I personally would be inclined to melt a small quantity and cast a
     rod ingot around 5mm diameter, then use that to make thin wire. Very
     careful examination of the wire and it's annealed properties would
     expose 'jags' due to unwanted alloying elements. In the words of the
     prophet, suck it and see!  However, if one were to make jewellery with
     this metal, it would be unethical to quality stamp it without assay.
     Cheers, --

John Burgess;   johnb@... of Mapua Nelson NZ

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  Photography silver
  From: "Margaret Malm" <kadok@...>


>            An acquaintance has shown me a quantity (apparently several
>     ounces) of silver "powder", apparently recovered from some
>     photographic processing operation several years back. Has anyone
>     ever dealt with this stuff before? - Can I just melt it down in a
>     crucible and pour an ingot? Any idea of the purity? - Any residual
>     chemicals or toxic elements I need to be aware of? - Something best
>     sent to legitimate refiner?


Hi, Dave

     The purity and contaminants will depend on just how it was obtained.
     I would guess the most likely  possibility is that it was recovered
     from a photographic fixer solution. This can be done either by
     electro-plate  (used in most large-scale operations), in which case it
     would be fairly pure; or by precipitating it from the solution using
     something like metallic zinc dust. In this case it comes out as a
     brownish sludge.

>     From your description it is most likely electrolytical.

     But either way -- unless you have some way of assaying it yourself --
     it really should be sent to a refiner, such as Handy & Harman. The
     problem here would probably be finding someone who is willing to do
     such a small amount.

Margaret

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  Quality Stamping
  From: "Michael R. Ruffenach" <ruffenac@...>


>        Tell that to the retail store here in San Francisco who had the
>     US attorney come in and seize all their goods and arrest the owners.
>     The crime was under karating.  Now they were definitely ripping off
>     the tourist trade down at Fishermans Warf but it is still a crime to
>     misrepresent the quality of the metals in the piece of jewelry.

     Reply,  I agree with you.  I was trying to add a little humor to the
     subject, but your reply showed me the danger in this approach.  If
     you misrepresent your product, you can be subject to both civil and
     criminal sactions.  The only difference is that in criminal cases, the
     government must show an intent to violate the law.  Unless  this is a
     serious problem they will most likely warn you and expect voluntarily
     compliance.

     Since you are a lawyer

>             would you please look at the FTC web page with The Guides
>     for the Jewelry, Precious Metals, and Pewter Industries
>     http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/guides/jewel-gd.htm and give us an opinion
>     on the way the guides read about using multiple quality marks on one
>     piece of jewelry made from multiple metals.


     Reply,  I am not sure where the comfusion comes from.  The
     regulations seem clear and simple.  You have an alloy which what gold
     is in the jewelry industry.  Pure gold is 24 k which is too soft and
     to use successfully.  It is then mixed with other metals.  This makes
     it easier to use and lasts longer.  The mixture is divided by 24ths.
     18 k means that the total amount of gold in the piece is 18/24.  14k
     is 14/24.  You cannot label different parts of the same piece of
     jewery differently because the piece is made up of different k weights
     of gold.  It is the total weight of the gold in the piece that counts.
     To label the prongs 14k and the rest of the piece 18 k is imporper.
     The total fraction of the piece is all that counts.   If your prongs
     pull your total piece down below  the18k ratio, all you have is a 14k
     piece.  If this does not clear this up, please let me know precisely
     where the confusion appears to be coming from and what specific
     regulation is causing the confusion.  I tried to hint at this in my
     earlier writings when I said that judges and the cedit card people
     will have no problem  understanding this.  Michael Ruffenach Attorney
     at Law.

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  Re: customs and assaying: UK
  From: Kevin <tadpole@...>


     Larry, for starters take a look at: http://www.thegoldsmiths.co.uk/
     which is The Goldsmiths Company, who operate the London Assay Office.
     See also: http://www.teg.co.uk/teg/assay.htm for a bit more general
     information.

     As regards your specific questions, a lot depends on your client.  If
     he/she thinks they may want to sell the ring at some time in the
     future then really it should be given UK hallmarks.  It could not
     legally be sold here as "platinum" without either the UK hallmarks or
     the international convention marks.  These last were established to
     cover international trade, but are only put on at official assay
     offices after testing.  It could always be hallmarked at a later date,
     but then it costs more.

     If the customer believes there will never be any intention of selling
     it then maybe he will be happy with whatever you normally mark it
     with at home.

     There are at least two problems that arise if you want to get UK
     hallmarks.

     1.  The piece has to be submitted by a "sponsor" who is registered
     with the particular assay office, and the piece will be stamped with
     that sponsor's assigned mark.  I don't know, but I suppose that it is
     just possible that the folks at the London office might act as
     sponsor, for a fee (for sure).

     2.  The assay office will take one or more small scrapings to test.
     So, you need to submit the piece _before_ final finishing, or else
     negotiate with someone here who could carry out the final polishing (I
     don't do plat).

     As regards Customs, the customer will have to pay import duty and
     Value Added Tax.  Or, he may be lucky, the package might not be
     intercepted and he pays nothing.  That possibility has never worked
     for me though. You will probably want to use some sort of insured
     delivery though, in which case it is moore likely to come to the
     notice of officialdom.

     All in all it looks as though your marks would be the simplest way to
     go, provided the customer understands and accepts the difference
     between those and the official UK hallmarks.  A legal nicety might
     hinge on exactly where the piece was sold.  With your marks, as far
     as I know (but don't rely on it, I'm not a lawyer) it would be legal
     to import a piece that has been bought abroad (i.e. outsdie the UK).
     But it would certainly not be legal to sell it as platinum in the UK
     with only your normal marks.

Hope this helps.
Kevin  (NW England,  UK)

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  Reshanking old rose gold band
  From: michael devlin <mdevlin61@...>


>         Hello, I am searching for some helpful hints on successfully
>     soldering new 14 karat red gold to an old 14 karat rose gold >
>     wedding band. I attempted to use a 14 karat easy red gold solder
>     (1350 degree F) and the old metal bubbled and fused to the new 14
>     karat red gold before the solder could reach flow temperature. Then,
>     of course there was con- siderable pitting to deal with during
>     cleanup. David ,

     I have found the rose gold solder does not need to melt all the way
     to fill the joint ,I prefer white past flux for rose gold.I am sure
     the alloys of the new gold and old gold are different . My approach
     would be to get a little decorative around the joint something that
     goes with the rest of the design,even to add a thicker piece of a
     different color say a 18k yellow in the joint.It would be a more
     pleasing line that to have a bad solder joint. Anything to cover the
     joint ,My customers would usally like the idea.

Michael Devlin



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  Retail arts/crafts show listings
  From: Beth Rosengard <bethrosengard@...>


> Does anyone know where I can find a
> listing or listings of local and/or regional arts and crafts shows

     Just found the Artfair Sourcebook contact information.  The editor is
     Greg Lawler and his phone number is 800-358-2045.  The web site is
     http://www.artfairsource.com/

Beth

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  Retail arts/crafts show listings'
  From: DKJEWELRY@...


Dave,

     I don't have a list for your area but here are some of the ways that
     I found shows when I was getting started:

     Sunshine Artist Magazine Crafts Report my state arts council my local
     arts council an arts organization in the nearest large city (for me
     it was Chicago Artists Coalition) you might join NAIA there is
     something called the Harris List that I believe is a regional list of
     shows Art Fair Source Book is expensive but was well worth it the
     first couple of years

Good luck,
Deb Karash

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  Retail arts/crafts show listings
  From: "Timothy A. Hansen" <tahhandcraft@...>


Dave,

     Try Sunshine Artists at http://www.sunshineartist.com/

Tim

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  setting bullets and blades
  From: "T. Lee" <tlee@...>


Hi bullet lovers!

     We set tons of arches and bullets (and swear at them regularily).   I
     think the most important thing is to first high grade when you are
     picking your stones so they indeed ARE set-able.  The walls of the
     bullet need to start tapering in within a few mm's of the bottom so
     the bezel can grab the stone. Many bullets don't taper soon enough
     and these are tough to set without the G word.  We also try to pick
     for straightness, no tilt, so they sit flat in the bezel.

     Sometimes we use a open bottom, high bearing bezel for the round
     bullets. With this type of finding, you can put it on your flex shaft
     jaws and 'spin' a bevelled edge to custom fit it before setting the
     stone. We have also used the combination of dapping tools to stretch
     from the inside out and cup type daps (?) to coax the walls in.  All
     done before the stone goes in of course.

     I'm experimenting with a mechanical arbor press right now and have
     successfully been able to easily set cabs but havent found the
     correct 'bit' to accomodate bullets without crushing them. My father
     called this setting technique 'swedging'...funny word from another
     industry!

     Its my opinion that if the metal has been brought around the stone
     until its tight that a light base of epoxy is not unethical...just
     helpful insurance. After all, these are not usually extraordinarily
     expensive stones.  We've done lots of stress tests on bunches of
     glues and the one we currently think is most dependable is Hughes 220.
     This is their amber epoxy, not the 330, which is the water clear and
     not as strong.  We mix each part on separate little postit notes,
     weigh each to get the most accurate mix, and mix well. We used to heat
     set but were told that the glue is stronger if it sets up slower.  I'd
     love to hear if anyone else thinks this is a fact or not. Lastly, we
     always rough up the bottom of the stone with a diamond disc (if its
     not transparent of course) and clean the stone well with an alcohol
     wipe to remove oils.

     We've set probably thousands of bullets this way and comparatively few
     have come back missing a stone.  In the closed bottom bezels, I've
     never yet had a stone come out.   (knock,knock)

Happy hammering,

tlee

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  Tucson Seminar:  Gem Connoisseurship; The Finer Points
  From: "Ivy Fasko" <ivy@...>

Richard Wise -

     What is the date and location of your seminar for AGTA?  Hard to
     resist something that is 10% less than free!!

thanks -

Ivy

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  Tumbling Problems
  From: MMiya8508@...


     I too have had the rubber breakdown on the interior of my rotary
     barrels with burnishing compounds making my silver
     brown/grey/gunmetal colored after a few hours of tumbling. I was
     probably using too strong a solution of the compound, but since I
     never accurately measured, I never figured out the right ratio for my
     gallon container.

     I went in search of alternatives and was told that a squeeze "Dawn"
     dishwashing liquid and water works better than anything else! And
     wouldn't you know it? They were right! I can tumble (rotary) all day
     long and my work comes out shiny clean and yes- grease free! (an
     unnecessary added benefit, but a benefit nonetheless!)

     Hate to throw a wrench into the sales of burnishing compound, but not
     to worry...I still use lots of deburring and descaling compound in my
     vibratory tumbler!

Marlo M.
Seattle, WA

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  Tumbling problems
  From: "Dave Sebaste" <davesebaste@...>


     Okay, one more thing... then out to the studio. Before we put the
     tumbler question to bed, let me be the one to ask a dumb question. I
     have a vibrating tumbler but don't get much use out of it. Stainless
     steel shot and burnishing solution. Gonna have to get me some of that
     fine media... been following the thread with interest.

     You wouldn't put finished jewelry with set stones in there would you?
     Obviously not something soft or fragile like turquoise or opal. What
     about other stones like agate? I said this was a dumb question.  :)
     But if you run your jewelry through before setting the stones,
     wouldn't the bezels get bent and distorted? What am I missing here?
     Only used for certain types of pieces?

Okay, now I'm going...

Dave

Dave Sebaste
Sebaste Studio and
Carolina Artisans' Gallery
Charlotte, NC (USA)
dave@... <mailto:dave@...>

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  weaving help, please
  From: "jwilling" <jwilling@...>


Hello Karen,

     On 17 Jan 2001, at 22:04, Karen Bryan wrote:  I am going to try and do
     some weaving for my next special project at class. I would like to
     know what I should cut the silver with, regular scissors or buy some
     metal shears. 	  What you use to cut the metal depends upon the gauge
     (thickness) of the silver and whether it is wire or sheet.  Not to
     mention that if you use ordinary scissors, whether or not you care
     about using the scissors for paper or fabric again!  Since you say
     you're weaving, I assume you'll be using thin gauge silver sheet and
     don't need to cut with a saw.  If time allows, professional shears can
     be ordered, but you can use heavy duty scissors (like good quality
     kitchen shears) just as well.  Be aware that if you are cutting long
     strips of silver, scissors and shears leave a little bur at each cut.
     Also know that the edges of the silver will be sharp! Plan to sand or
     file them a bit.  I have had good luck cutting long strips of silver
     sheet (no thicker than 26 gauge) using a heavy-duty paper cutter.  In
     fact, I found an old one and use it just for metal cutting.  Tin snips
     from the hardware store will also work - even on thicker gauges - but
     may mar the cut edge of the strip.  Get some scrap copper sheet and
     take it with you to the store to try out the snips.  If you're cutting
     wire, get wire cutters again from the hardware store.  Hope this
     helps.  Judy in Kansas

Judy M. Willingham, R.S.
Extension Associate
221 Call Hall  Kansas State Univerisity
Manhattan  KS  66506
(785) 532-1213     FAX (785) 532-5681

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  weaving help, please
  From: "Razine Wenneker" <link-able@...>


     Will you be weaving on a loom or by hand?  Also, do you have any
     weaving experience?  The shears are not the critical issue.  The type
     of metal you use, gauge, experience, etc., is very important.

Razine Wenneker, Manager
Ellie Rose LINK-ABLE Designs, L.L.C.
E-mail:  link-able@...

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  weaving help, please
  From: Steven Brixner <brixner@...>


     Karen - It doesn't really matter what you cut the metal strips with.
     A heavy pair of scissors will do, or metal shears.  Just make sure
     they are sharp.  One disadvantage to cutting the strips is that they
     will curl as you cut them and the edges will be sharp.  You can buy
     stripped metal from various metal suppliers.  I believe I have seen it
     in the Rio Grande catalog.  Hoover & Strong also carries some sizes.
     If you have access to a rolling mill you might try rolling round wire
     down into strip.  By using various diameter wires you can get
     different width wires.  After rolling the wire you should anneal it.
     You can straighten the pieces by putting one end in a vise and pulling
     on the opposite end with a heavy pair of pliers.  You should be able
     to feel it stretch slightly and see the edges straighten.  If you need
     very small wires, try using cloisonné wire.  It is fine silver and
     will be much softer than sterling.  You should look up Arline Fisch's
     book "Textile Techniques in Metal"  at the public library or the
     library at San Diego State.  Good luck.  Steve.


Steven Brixner - Jewelry Designer - San Diego CA USA
mailto:brixner@...

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  weaving help, please
  From: THOMAS BLAIR-Boozer <isgoldwks@...>


>     ( IF I should buy shears what kind ... Karen in El Cajon, ca)

     Karen, There is a pair of 'kitchen' shears available at most good
     culinary shops.These were recommended for cutting sheet, up to 18
     gauge, by Fla. Society of Goldsmiths when I took Lee Marshall's
     course on Hydraulics. . They are 61/2" long, have red  handles, and
     stamped...Joyce Chen. They are excellent for cutting light gauge
     metals and very maneuverable (*don't use them for wire*). Cost under
     $20.00US. For larger, heavier cutting you will need bigger shears.
     Hope this helps. Thomas Blair Island Gold Works

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ps to: Dialogue on perfectionism and the Artist's Way
  From: IMMENO1Ls@...


people -

     a postscript to my other post on 'perfection': one day, in a silver
     funk, i pulled out  the oppie untracht book on metal techniques. if it
     wouldn't go right for me at least i could read about the masters'
     methods. intently, in a silver funkish way, following the text &
     photos of the silversmith making the hollow ware pitcher, one of the
     photographs pulled me up short & when i got through laughing all of
     the funk had flown! that photo showed a close-up of the piece after
     the handle had been soldered on, & people, that solder job was, shall
     we say, 'less than perfect'. (my book is on loan to a friend so i
     cannot give you the page, but it may have been about midway down the
     middle of a left page in the hollow ware/pitcher section.) my
     reasoning was that if a 'master' can do a solder job like that even
     once & have the world see it - perfection, smerfection, do your best,
     let it go & spend the rest of the time loving someone.

ive

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hey mr dj.
i would like to ask a question..
your compilations, i have a party (fundraising event) on march v1st and
need a dj to spin before the bands and in between bands, and after the last
act (which is DJ DK from the UK). if you're interested send me a demo cd
-- and be advised that although there is no "payment" for this work, there
will be the opportunity to spin for future events (e have a gallery opening
at the end of march and are hoping to start a weekly poetry slam and
gallery show..), monsieur tufani will be displaying his work (at least this
iw what i think?! tufani...have any comments?!) and we would be happy to
showcase new talent to the area. the DJ who will be spinning (DK) has a non
profit organization (check it out http://www.gotoasa.org   gotta have the
flash 5 plugin.) and throws many parties here in the US and abroad.
get back to me if you're interested:
cynthia.wang@...
rock!
cynthia!
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    Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:41:04 EST
    From: EvilAlivE@...
Subject: greetings from USA

my name is jason dunne.. im a progressive house/trance artist, from the
otehr
hemisphere... ive been watching what youguys have going on.. thougth i'd
drop
you an email. ive traveled quite extensiveley thru north, central, and
south
america, and performed... looking to expand my horizons... im an a and r
rep
for the label that im signed to, sunrise recordings... to date ive sold
over
100,000 mixed cds, across america... wondering if you, or if youknwo
anyone,
who might be looking for a new comer to yoru area, on the up and ups...  i
have material that can be found on

www.trancedomain.com - click on jason dunne
www.enation.org - click on residents, then click on jason dunne
www.raveworld.net - click on listen, scroll down onright side to live net
casts, clikc on jason dunne - live, then click on listen in 28.8 stereo

i will include some bios, etc on me.. iv ebeen in various magazines and
what
not.. take a look...

old bio :

Jason Dunne's Biography

With a frequent flyer DJ itinerary that spans North America, several
current or upcoming single releases to his credit, and his first major
label DJ mix CD waiting in the wings, Jason Dunne is one of the most
promising new talents to emerge Stateside. His weekly internet radio
show, Pure (at www.trancedomain.com), boasts a weekly listenership that
is rapidly approaching ten thousand worldwide, and he has personally
delivered his electrifying brand of progressive house, trance, and
breakbeats to appreciative crowds in such celebrated venues as Chicago's
Crobar, Cleveland's Trilogy, Miami's Shadow Lounge, Ft. Lauderdale's
Chili Pepper, Las Vegas' Utopia, and at smaller venues and Rave events
across America. His latest studio collaboration with Noel W. Sanger is
set for a January 2000 release on Washington DC's Musicnow Records, and
the debut of his soon to be classic "Stay With Me" by Leeds and Dunne
(with remixes by the UK's Digital Blondes and Belgium's Byte Progressive)
has just been issued on Miami trance imprint, Mangabeat.

A graduate of the esteemed Center for The Media Arts and Institute of
Audio Research, Jason studied under the tutelage of professors such as
Jan Hammer, and interned at such notable New York studios as 440, Right
Track, and Power Station. Here he assisted on, among other projects, a
never released duet by Billy Joel and Richard Marx, as well as
contributing edits and work-for-hire percusion tracks to Seal's first
album. These experiences led Jason, at the age of 21, into an Executive
Sound Engineer position at Pro Player Stadium in Miami, as well as at the
Miami Arena, where he oversaw concerts such as Pink Floyd, Billy Joel,
Elton John, Garth Brooks, and Metallica, and sporting events from
Superbowl XXIX, to Stanley Cup, World Cup, and World Series playoffs.

Influenced in the mid-80's by world famous NYC/Miami DJ Scott Blackwell
(Jason's neighbor), Jason began to DJ at his high school dances, parties
and the like, and has been busy perfecting his craft ever since. When
Jason is not behind a pair of decks and a dual transport CD mixer, or
busy producing another anthem, he can be found fulfilling the role of a
technical consultant in product design for Vestax. "Trance: An Altered
State of MInd", his first major label DJ mixed compilation which features
tracks from Sasha, BT, Deepsky, Andy Ling, Ferry Corsten and many others,
releases via Container Records in October.



new bio and interview :

Fort Lauderdale native Jason Dunne is arguably the United States' fastest
rising progressive artist. His numerous mixed-CDs and singles aside,
Dunne's
experience with live audio mixing would make your average dj/producer
blush.
After attending the prestigious Institute of Audio Research and Center for
the Media Arts, Jason put his audio talents to use at a variety of
nationally
and internationally televised events including Super Bowl XXIX, the World
Cup, the Stanley Cup playoffs, the Grammys, the Emmys, the World Series
playoffs, and a laundry list of concerts for groups like Pink Floyd, Elton
John and Metallica. Since moving to Chicago in 2000, Dunne has set his
sights
on his true love: progressive dance music. As the driving force and A&R rep
behind the newly founded Sunrise Recordings, he wheels and deals with world
renown djs and producers on a daily basis, doing his part to establish
trance
and progressive house in the United States. In addition his original
singles
("Jet Set," "Stay With Me," and "I'll Be There," the latter co-produced
with
Josh Collins and Greg "Stryke" Chin) and mixed-CDs (Of Epic Proportion,
Trance: A State of Altered Consciousness, and Sunrise Sessions) have
cemented
his place among dance music's elite. When coupled with his staggering
booking
schedule across North America, you can see why Dunne is such an eminently
popular - and for that matter, marketable - commodity.

interview:

How would you describe your sound?
I like to walk a fine line... I don't want to sound too "anthemy," but I
want
the songs to have beautiful, melodic, and epic sort of elements. I like to
be
unique, but I also like to please a crowd. I guess to sum it up in a word:
eclectic.

What do you think sets you apart from other progressive djs?
Being in the position that I am with the mixed compilations, and spinning
more with CDs than with vinyl these days, I definitely have an advantage
[because I get] newer and unreleased material that is unavailable, classic,
or out of print. That and the neat-o-loopy features on the CD decks - I
think
those things are what set me apart.

What is your philosophy for mixing?
Most important: programming. You can be the best mixer in the world, but if
you play crap it still sucks, no matter how well it's mixed. I feel that
programming and track selection is key. Skills definitely help with the
creativeness, but please, give me good music first.

Who are your favorite djs to hear play? Would you consider any of them to
be
an "influence" to your sound?
Dave Seaman is my all-time favorite dj to hear play? and yes, he's had a
huge
influence over what I play. I just love his sets, as well as his work as a
producer (as half of Brothers in Rhythm). Sasha, too, on his more exciting
days - like when he plays a bit faster and more melodic. My feelings on
Sasha
are simple: He constantly expands the boundaries of dance music, and we all
seem to follow behind him.

What's the craziest thing that's ever happened to you while djing?
There was this girl underneath the? hahaha, just kidding. I was playing a
party in Memphis, TN. I had just finished mixing my first record when the
lights came on, and the police showed up to ID everyone. This process took
about an hour; meanwhile the promoter was arrested for some reason or
another. So now there's no one in charge, and since I'm the headlining
artist
or guest, I was sort of in charge after that. Kinda weird, but it all
turned
out for the best.

Got any "worst gig" stories?
Yes? "Ultra 2000"! They weren't sure what stage I was booked on. I got sent
to three different stages and missed all three slots... Finally I ended up
playing some little Buster Brown tent, at the same time as Sasha and
Digweed.
The low-end amp had already been blown, and the mids and highs were
clipping
with each beat.? and in the middle of it all, an artist who didn't get
enough
footage for some MTV special had come by with the MTV crew. They stopped my
set so she could perform one song (it totally sucked!) and then expected me
to continue after that. The next dj didn't show so I had to cover for him?
and in the middle of that set, yet another dj showed up that wanted to
play.
I'd certainly had enough by that point, so I let him go on. Of course they
fixed the sound two records into his set - just my luck.

What do you think of the whole commercial vs. underground argument - is
trance music too mainstream now in your estimation? Do you think this
commercialization is a good or bad thing for dance music as a whole?
I think commercialization as a whole is good. There is a lot of cheesy
stuff
out there, and it's getting a lot of attention, which is fine - you can
only
ingest so much cheese before you become... bound up? Hehe... But at least
it's turning people on to dance music, which opens doors for them to look
for
better music.

Do you think the trance music of today is different than that of two or
three
years ago? How?
In my opinion, 1997 was the golden year for trance and progressive house.
The
music as a whole has been so twisted - labels like Hooj Choons, Choo Choo,
Whoop, Platipus, they put out really good, epic kind of music. They all
sounded different; each had trancey elements, vocals, even breakbeat
elements
too. It was wonderful. Today: [trance is] more minimal and techy... and
slower. There is still good quality stuff out there, but you definitely
have
to look harder these days.

What are your goals for Sunrise Recordings?
To be a well-recognized and accepted trance label [not just] in the United
States, but on a global level. My dream: to be the Hooj Choons of America.

Which do you see yourself focusing most on in the future - djing or
producing?
I'd like to say producing, but if I don't dj as much, then the CDs I've
released won't sell! Hard to say [definitively] at this point.

What kind of music do you listen to when you're not listening to dance
music?
I love classical music, and new-agey, down-tempo stuff. And I love '80s
music, mostly retro, Brit-pop, shoegazer stuff... and old, cheesy metal. :)

Is there anything that bothers you about dj culture these days?
Yes - there is one really disturbing thing to me about dj culture and djs
in
general. I got into this at what I feel is a late stage, but I still
managed
to get something going out of it. Kids ask me everyday: "What do I need to
do
to get where you are?"? and there's no room anymore! I wish that you could
be
a successful dj without having to produce, but it seems that unless you
write
some hugely successful track these days that it's nearly impossible to get
anywhere. It's very difficult for newcomers. I don't like that. Can't we
all
be rock stars?
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Go to Dancemusicstore.com for Jason Dunne's latest mixed CDs, Sunrise
Sessions and Of Epic Proportion.


my tour dates for the  united states for the next few months are as
follows...

fri march 9, chicago
sat march 10, houston
wed, march 14 philly
thurs march 15, NYC
fri march 16, austin
sat march 17, atalanta
wed march 21 detroit AND dc
thurs march 22 miami (space AND level)
fri march 23, ft laud
sat march 24, miami(ultra beach fest)
wed march 28, nashville
thurs march 29, indianapolis
fri march 30, st louis
sat march 31, denver
thurs april 5, portland
fri april 6, vancouver
sat april 7, seattle
wed april 11, las vegas
thurs april 12, san diego
fri april 13, LA


hope to hear back from you


jason dunne
shr group/sunrise recordings
chicago, il USA


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----- Original Message -----
From: <Cynthia.Wang/USA/PTV%PTV@...>
To: <trance-artists@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [TRANCE eGuild] Digest Number 23


>
> hey mr dj.
> i would like to ask a question..
> your compilations, i have a party (fundraising event) on march v1st and
> need a dj to spin before the bands and in between bands, and after the
last
> act (which is DJ DK from the UK). if you're interested send me a demo cd
> -- and be advised that although there is no "payment" for this work, there
> will be the opportunity to spin for future events (e have a gallery
opening
> at the end of march and are hoping to start a weekly poetry slam and
> gallery show..), monsieur tufani will be displaying his work (at least
this
> iw what i think?! tufani...have any comments?!)

That is correcto-mundo!

Tufani


>and we would be happy to
> showcase new talent to the area. the DJ who will be spinning (DK) has a
non
> profit organization (check it out http://www.gotoasa.org   gotta have the
> flash 5 plugin.) and throws many parties here in the US and abroad.
> get back to me if you're interested:
> cynthia.wang@...
> rock!
> cynthia!
> trance-artists@egroups.com on 01/25/2001 05:52:19 AM
>
>
> Please respond to trance-artists@egroups.com
>
>
> To:  trance-artists@egroups.com
> cc:
>
>
>
> Subject:  [TRANCE eGuild] Digest Number 23
>
>
>
>
>
> May the Ancestors guide your hands and hearts
> http://www.tufani.com
>
>
> (Send unsubscribe requests to tufani@...)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> There is 1 message in this issue.
>
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>
>       1. greetings from USA
>            From: EvilAlivE@...
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:41:04 EST
>    From: EvilAlivE@...
> Subject: greetings from USA
>
> my name is jason dunne.. im a progressive house/trance artist, from the
> otehr
> hemisphere... ive been watching what youguys have going on.. thougth i'd
> drop
> you an email. ive traveled quite extensiveley thru north, central, and
> south
> america, and performed... looking to expand my horizons... im an a and r
> rep
> for the label that im signed to, sunrise recordings... to date ive sold
> over
> 100,000 mixed cds, across america... wondering if you, or if youknwo
> anyone,
> who might be looking for a new comer to yoru area, on the up and ups... i
> have material that can be found on
>
> www.trancedomain.com - click on jason dunne
> www.enation.org - click on residents, then click on jason dunne
> www.raveworld.net - click on listen, scroll down onright side to live net
> casts, clikc on jason dunne - live, then click on listen in 28.8 stereo
>
> i will include some bios, etc on me.. iv ebeen in various magazines and
> what
> not.. take a look...
>
> old bio :
>
> Jason Dunne's Biography
>
> With a frequent flyer DJ itinerary that spans North America, several
> current or upcoming single releases to his credit, and his first major
> label DJ mix CD waiting in the wings, Jason Dunne is one of the most
> promising new talents to emerge Stateside. His weekly internet radio
> show, Pure (at www.trancedomain.com), boasts a weekly listenership that
> is rapidly approaching ten thousand worldwide, and he has personally
> delivered his electrifying brand of progressive house, trance, and
> breakbeats to appreciative crowds in such celebrated venues as Chicago's
> Crobar, Cleveland's Trilogy, Miami's Shadow Lounge, Ft. Lauderdale's
> Chili Pepper, Las Vegas' Utopia, and at smaller venues and Rave events
> across America. His latest studio collaboration with Noel W. Sanger is
> set for a January 2000 release on Washington DC's Musicnow Records, and
> the debut of his soon to be classic "Stay With Me" by Leeds and Dunne
> (with remixes by the UK's Digital Blondes and Belgium's Byte Progressive)
> has just been issued on Miami trance imprint, Mangabeat.
>
> A graduate of the esteemed Center for The Media Arts and Institute of
> Audio Research, Jason studied under the tutelage of professors such as
> Jan Hammer, and interned at such notable New York studios as 440, Right
> Track, and Power Station. Here he assisted on, among other projects, a
> never released duet by Billy Joel and Richard Marx, as well as
> contributing edits and work-for-hire percusion tracks to Seal's first
> album. These experiences led Jason, at the age of 21, into an Executive
> Sound Engineer position at Pro Player Stadium in Miami, as well as at the
> Miami Arena, where he oversaw concerts such as Pink Floyd, Billy Joel,
> Elton John, Garth Brooks, and Metallica, and sporting events from
> Superbowl XXIX, to Stanley Cup, World Cup, and World Series playoffs.
>
> Influenced in the mid-80's by world famous NYC/Miami DJ Scott Blackwell
> (Jason's neighbor), Jason began to DJ at his high school dances, parties
> and the like, and has been busy perfecting his craft ever since. When
> Jason is not behind a pair of decks and a dual transport CD mixer, or
> busy producing another anthem, he can be found fulfilling the role of a
> technical consultant in product design for Vestax. "Trance: An Altered
> State of MInd", his first major label DJ mixed compilation which features
> tracks from Sasha, BT, Deepsky, Andy Ling, Ferry Corsten and many others,
> releases via Container Records in October.
>
>
>
> new bio and interview :
>
> Fort Lauderdale native Jason Dunne is arguably the United States' fastest
> rising progressive artist. His numerous mixed-CDs and singles aside,
> Dunne's
> experience with live audio mixing would make your average dj/producer
> blush.
> After attending the prestigious Institute of Audio Research and Center for
> the Media Arts, Jason put his audio talents to use at a variety of
> nationally
> and internationally televised events including Super Bowl XXIX, the World
> Cup, the Stanley Cup playoffs, the Grammys, the Emmys, the World Series
> playoffs, and a laundry list of concerts for groups like Pink Floyd, Elton
> John and Metallica. Since moving to Chicago in 2000, Dunne has set his
> sights
> on his true love: progressive dance music. As the driving force and A&R
rep
> behind the newly founded Sunrise Recordings, he wheels and deals with
world
> renown djs and producers on a daily basis, doing his part to establish
> trance
> and progressive house in the United States. In addition his original
> singles
> ("Jet Set," "Stay With Me," and "I'll Be There," the latter co-produced
> with
> Josh Collins and Greg "Stryke" Chin) and mixed-CDs (Of Epic Proportion,
> Trance: A State of Altered Consciousness, and Sunrise Sessions) have
> cemented
> his place among dance music's elite. When coupled with his staggering
> booking
> schedule across North America, you can see why Dunne is such an eminently
> popular - and for that matter, marketable - commodity.
>
> interview:
>
> How would you describe your sound?
> I like to walk a fine line... I don't want to sound too "anthemy," but I
> want
> the songs to have beautiful, melodic, and epic sort of elements. I like to
> be
> unique, but I also like to please a crowd. I guess to sum it up in a word:
> eclectic.
>
> What do you think sets you apart from other progressive djs?
> Being in the position that I am with the mixed compilations, and spinning
> more with CDs than with vinyl these days, I definitely have an advantage
> [because I get] newer and unreleased material that is unavailable,
classic,
> or out of print. That and the neat-o-loopy features on the CD decks - I
> think
> those things are what set me apart.
>
> What is your philosophy for mixing?
> Most important: programming. You can be the best mixer in the world, but
if
> you play crap it still sucks, no matter how well it's mixed. I feel that
> programming and track selection is key. Skills definitely help with the
> creativeness, but please, give me good music first.
>
> Who are your favorite djs to hear play? Would you consider any of them to
> be
> an "influence" to your sound?
> Dave Seaman is my all-time favorite dj to hear play? and yes, he's had a
> huge
> influence over what I play. I just love his sets, as well as his work as a
> producer (as half of Brothers in Rhythm). Sasha, too, on his more exciting
> days - like when he plays a bit faster and more melodic. My feelings on
> Sasha
> are simple: He constantly expands the boundaries of dance music, and we
all
> seem to follow behind him.
>
> What's the craziest thing that's ever happened to you while djing?
> There was this girl underneath the? hahaha, just kidding. I was playing a
> party in Memphis, TN. I had just finished mixing my first record when the
> lights came on, and the police showed up to ID everyone. This process took
> about an hour; meanwhile the promoter was arrested for some reason or
> another. So now there's no one in charge, and since I'm the headlining
> artist
> or guest, I was sort of in charge after that. Kinda weird, but it all
> turned
> out for the best.
>
> Got any "worst gig" stories?
> Yes? "Ultra 2000"! They weren't sure what stage I was booked on. I got
sent
> to three different stages and missed all three slots... Finally I ended up
> playing some little Buster Brown tent, at the same time as Sasha and
> Digweed.
> The low-end amp had already been blown, and the mids and highs were
> clipping
> with each beat.? and in the middle of it all, an artist who didn't get
> enough
> footage for some MTV special had come by with the MTV crew. They stopped
my
> set so she could perform one song (it totally sucked!) and then expected
me
> to continue after that. The next dj didn't show so I had to cover for him?
> and in the middle of that set, yet another dj showed up that wanted to
> play.
> I'd certainly had enough by that point, so I let him go on. Of course they
> fixed the sound two records into his set - just my luck.
>
> What do you think of the whole commercial vs. underground argument - is
> trance music too mainstream now in your estimation? Do you think this
> commercialization is a good or bad thing for dance music as a whole?
> I think commercialization as a whole is good. There is a lot of cheesy
> stuff
> out there, and it's getting a lot of attention, which is fine - you can
> only
> ingest so much cheese before you become... bound up? Hehe... But at least
> it's turning people on to dance music, which opens doors for them to look
> for
> better music.
>
> Do you think the trance music of today is different than that of two or
> three
> years ago? How?
> In my opinion, 1997 was the golden year for trance and progressive house.
> The
> music as a whole has been so twisted - labels like Hooj Choons, Choo Choo,
> Whoop, Platipus, they put out really good, epic kind of music. They all
> sounded different; each had trancey elements, vocals, even breakbeat
> elements
> too. It was wonderful. Today: [trance is] more minimal and techy... and
> slower. There is still good quality stuff out there, but you definitely
> have
> to look harder these days.
>
> What are your goals for Sunrise Recordings?
> To be a well-recognized and accepted trance label [not just] in the United
> States, but on a global level. My dream: to be the Hooj Choons of America.
>
> Which do you see yourself focusing most on in the future - djing or
> producing?
> I'd like to say producing, but if I don't dj as much, then the CDs I've
> released won't sell! Hard to say [definitively] at this point.
>
> What kind of music do you listen to when you're not listening to dance
> music?
> I love classical music, and new-agey, down-tempo stuff. And I love '80s
> music, mostly retro, Brit-pop, shoegazer stuff... and old, cheesy metal.
:)
>
> Is there anything that bothers you about dj culture these days?
> Yes - there is one really disturbing thing to me about dj culture and djs
> in
> general. I got into this at what I feel is a late stage, but I still
> managed
> to get something going out of it. Kids ask me everyday: "What do I need to
> do
> to get where you are?"? and there's no room anymore! I wish that you could
> be
> a successful dj without having to produce, but it seems that unless you
> write
> some hugely successful track these days that it's nearly impossible to get
> anywhere. It's very difficult for newcomers. I don't like that. Can't we
> all
> be rock stars?
> -------------------------------------------
> Go to Dancemusicstore.com for Jason Dunne's latest mixed CDs, Sunrise
> Sessions and Of Epic Proportion.
>
>
> my tour dates for the united states for the next few months are as
> follows...
>
> fri march 9, chicago
> sat march 10, houston
> wed, march 14 philly
> thurs march 15, NYC
> fri march 16, austin
> sat march 17, atalanta
> wed march 21 detroit AND dc
> thurs march 22 miami (space AND level)
> fri march 23, ft laud
> sat march 24, miami(ultra beach fest)
> wed march 28, nashville
> thurs march 29, indianapolis
> fri march 30, st louis
> sat march 31, denver
> thurs april 5, portland
> fri april 6, vancouver
> sat april 7, seattle
> wed april 11, las vegas
> thurs april 12, san diego
> fri april 13, LA
>
>
> hope to hear back from you
>
>
> jason dunne
> shr group/sunrise recordings
> chicago, il USA
>
>
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>
>
>
>
> May the Ancestors guide your hands and hearts
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>
>
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>

----- Original Message -----
From: <Cynthia.Wang/USA/PTV%PTV@...>
To: <trance-artists@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [TRANCE eGuild] Digest Number 23


>
> hey mr dj.
> i would like to ask a question..
> your compilations, i have a party (fundraising event) on march v1st and
> need a dj to spin before the bands and in between bands, and after the
last
> act (which is DJ DK from the UK). if you're interested send me a demo cd
> -- and be advised that although there is no "payment" for this work, there
> will be the opportunity to spin for future events (e have a gallery
opening
> at the end of march and are hoping to start a weekly poetry slam and
> gallery show..), monsieur tufani will be displaying his work (at least
this
> iw what i think?! tufani...have any comments?!) and we would be happy to
> showcase new talent to the area. the DJ who will be spinning (DK) has a
non
> profit organization (check it out http://www.gotoasa.org   gotta have the
> flash 5 plugin.) and throws many parties here in the US and abroad.
> get back to me if you're interested:
> cynthia.wang@...
> rock!
> cynthia!
> trance-artists@egroups.com on 01/25/2001 05:52:19 AM
>
>
> Please respond to trance-artists@egroups.com
>
>
> To:  trance-artists@egroups.com
> cc:
>
>
>
> Subject:  [TRANCE eGuild] Digest Number 23
>
>
>
>
>
> May the Ancestors guide your hands and hearts
> http://www.tufani.com
>
>
> (Send unsubscribe requests to tufani@...)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> There is 1 message in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. greetings from USA
>            From: EvilAlivE@...
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:41:04 EST
>    From: EvilAlivE@...
> Subject: greetings from USA
>
> my name is jason dunne.. im a progressive house/trance artist, from the
> otehr
> hemisphere... ive been watching what youguys have going on.. thougth i'd
> drop
> you an email. ive traveled quite extensiveley thru north, central, and
> south
> america, and performed... looking to expand my horizons... im an a and r
> rep
> for the label that im signed to, sunrise recordings... to date ive sold
> over
> 100,000 mixed cds, across america... wondering if you, or if youknwo
> anyone,
> who might be looking for a new comer to yoru area, on the up and ups... i
> have material that can be found on
>
> www.trancedomain.com - click on jason dunne
> www.enation.org - click on residents, then click on jason dunne
> www.raveworld.net - click on listen, scroll down onright side to live net
> casts, clikc on jason dunne - live, then click on listen in 28.8 stereo
>
> i will include some bios, etc on me.. iv ebeen in various magazines and
> what
> not.. take a look...
>
> old bio :
>
> Jason Dunne's Biography
>
> With a frequent flyer DJ itinerary that spans North America, several
> current or upcoming single releases to his credit, and his first major
> label DJ mix CD waiting in the wings, Jason Dunne is one of the most
> promising new talents to emerge Stateside. His weekly internet radio
> show, Pure (at www.trancedomain.com), boasts a weekly listenership that
> is rapidly approaching ten thousand worldwide, and he has personally
> delivered his electrifying brand of progressive house, trance, and
> breakbeats to appreciative crowds in such celebrated venues as Chicago's
> Crobar, Cleveland's Trilogy, Miami's Shadow Lounge, Ft. Lauderdale's
> Chili Pepper, Las Vegas' Utopia, and at smaller venues and Rave events
> across America. His latest studio collaboration with Noel W. Sanger is
> set for a January 2000 release on Washington DC's Musicnow Records, and
> the debut of his soon to be classic "Stay With Me" by Leeds and Dunne
> (with remixes by the UK's Digital Blondes and Belgium's Byte Progressive)
> has just been issued on Miami trance imprint, Mangabeat.
>
> A graduate of the esteemed Center for The Media Arts and Institute of
> Audio Research, Jason studied under the tutelage of professors such as
> Jan Hammer, and interned at such notable New York studios as 440, Right
> Track, and Power Station. Here he assisted on, among other projects, a
> never released duet by Billy Joel and Richard Marx, as well as
> contributing edits and work-for-hire percusion tracks to Seal's first
> album. These experiences led Jason, at the age of 21, into an Executive
> Sound Engineer position at Pro Player Stadium in Miami, as well as at the
> Miami Arena, where he oversaw concerts such as Pink Floyd, Billy Joel,
> Elton John, Garth Brooks, and Metallica, and sporting events from
> Superbowl XXIX, to Stanley Cup, World Cup, and World Series playoffs.
>
> Influenced in the mid-80's by world famous NYC/Miami DJ Scott Blackwell
> (Jason's neighbor), Jason began to DJ at his high school dances, parties
> and the like, and has been busy perfecting his craft ever since. When
> Jason is not behind a pair of decks and a dual transport CD mixer, or
> busy producing another anthem, he can be found fulfilling the role of a
> technical consultant in product design for Vestax. "Trance: An Altered
> State of MInd", his first major label DJ mixed compilation which features
> tracks from Sasha, BT, Deepsky, Andy Ling, Ferry Corsten and many others,
> releases via Container Records in October.
>
>
>
> new bio and interview :
>
> Fort Lauderdale native Jason Dunne is arguably the United States' fastest
> rising progressive artist. His numerous mixed-CDs and singles aside,
> Dunne's
> experience with live audio mixing would make your average dj/producer
> blush.
> After attending the prestigious Institute of Audio Research and Center for
> the Media Arts, Jason put his audio talents to use at a variety of
> nationally
> and internationally televised events including Super Bowl XXIX, the World
> Cup, the Stanley Cup playoffs, the Grammys, the Emmys, the World Series
> playoffs, and a laundry list of concerts for groups like Pink Floyd, Elton
> John and Metallica. Since moving to Chicago in 2000, Dunne has set his
> sights
> on his true love: progressive dance music. As the driving force and A&R
rep
> behind the newly founded Sunrise Recordings, he wheels and deals with
world
> renown djs and producers on a daily basis, doing his part to establish
> trance
> and progressive house in the United States. In addition his original
> singles
> ("Jet Set," "Stay With Me," and "I'll Be There," the latter co-produced
> with
> Josh Collins and Greg "Stryke" Chin) and mixed-CDs (Of Epic Proportion,
> Trance: A State of Altered Consciousness, and Sunrise Sessions) have
> cemented
> his place among dance music's elite. When coupled with his staggering
> booking
> schedule across North America, you can see why Dunne is such an eminently
> popular - and for that matter, marketable - commodity.
>
> interview:
>
> How would you describe your sound?
> I like to walk a fine line... I don't want to sound too "anthemy," but I
> want
> the songs to have beautiful, melodic, and epic sort of elements. I like to
> be
> unique, but I also like to please a crowd. I guess to sum it up in a word:
> eclectic.
>
> What do you think sets you apart from other progressive djs?
> Being in the position that I am with the mixed compilations, and spinning
> more with CDs than with vinyl these days, I definitely have an advantage
> [because I get] newer and unreleased material that is unavailable,
classic,
> or out of print. That and the neat-o-loopy features on the CD decks - I
> think
> those things are what set me apart.
>
> What is your philosophy for mixing?
> Most important: programming. You can be the best mixer in the world, but
if
> you play crap it still sucks, no matter how well it's mixed. I feel that
> programming and track selection is key. Skills definitely help with the
> creativeness, but please, give me good music first.
>
> Who are your favorite djs to hear play? Would you consider any of them to
> be
> an "influence" to your sound?
> Dave Seaman is my all-time favorite dj to hear play? and yes, he's had a
> huge
> influence over what I play. I just love his sets, as well as his work as a
> producer (as half of Brothers in Rhythm). Sasha, too, on his more exciting
> days - like when he plays a bit faster and more melodic. My feelings on
> Sasha
> are simple: He constantly expands the boundaries of dance music, and we
all
> seem to follow behind him.
>
> What's the craziest thing that's ever happened to you while djing?
> There was this girl underneath the? hahaha, just kidding. I was playing a
> party in Memphis, TN. I had just finished mixing my first record when the
> lights came on, and the police showed up to ID everyone. This process took
> about an hour; meanwhile the promoter was arrested for some reason or
> another. So now there's no one in charge, and since I'm the headlining
> artist
> or guest, I was sort of in charge after that. Kinda weird, but it all
> turned
> out for the best.
>
> Got any "worst gig" stories?
> Yes? "Ultra 2000"! They weren't sure what stage I was booked on. I got
sent
> to three different stages and missed all three slots... Finally I ended up
> playing some little Buster Brown tent, at the same time as Sasha and
> Digweed.
> The low-end amp had already been blown, and the mids and highs were
> clipping
> with each beat.? and in the middle of it all, an artist who didn't get
> enough
> footage for some MTV special had come by with the MTV crew. They stopped
my
> set so she could perform one song (it totally sucked!) and then expected
me
> to continue after that. The next dj didn't show so I had to cover for him?
> and in the middle of that set, yet another dj showed up that wanted to
> play.
> I'd certainly had enough by that point, so I let him go on. Of course they
> fixed the sound two records into his set - just my luck.
>
> What do you think of the whole commercial vs. underground argument - is
> trance music too mainstream now in your estimation? Do you think this
> commercialization is a good or bad thing for dance music as a whole?
> I think commercialization as a whole is good. There is a lot of cheesy
> stuff
> out there, and it's getting a lot of attention, which is fine - you can
> only
> ingest so much cheese before you become... bound up? Hehe... But at least
> it's turning people on to dance music, which opens doors for them to look
> for
> better music.
>
> Do you think the trance music of today is different than that of two or
> three
> years ago? How?
> In my opinion, 1997 was the golden year for trance and progressive house.
> The
> music as a whole has been so twisted - labels like Hooj Choons, Choo Choo,
> Whoop, Platipus, they put out really good, epic kind of music. They all
> sounded different; each had trancey elements, vocals, even breakbeat
> elements
> too. It was wonderful. Today: [trance is] more minimal and techy... and
> slower. There is still good quality stuff out there, but you definitely
> have
> to look harder these days.
>
> What are your goals for Sunrise Recordings?
> To be a well-recognized and accepted trance label [not just] in the United
> States, but on a global level. My dream: to be the Hooj Choons of America.
>
> Which do you see yourself focusing most on in the future - djing or
> producing?
> I'd like to say producing, but if I don't dj as much, then the CDs I've
> released won't sell! Hard to say [definitively] at this point.
>
> What kind of music do you listen to when you're not listening to dance
> music?
> I love classical music, and new-agey, down-tempo stuff. And I love '80s
> music, mostly retro, Brit-pop, shoegazer stuff... and old, cheesy metal.
:)
>
> Is there anything that bothers you about dj culture these days?
> Yes - there is one really disturbing thing to me about dj culture and djs
> in
> general. I got into this at what I feel is a late stage, but I still
> managed
> to get something going out of it. Kids ask me everyday: "What do I need to
> do
> to get where you are?"? and there's no room anymore! I wish that you could
> be
> a successful dj without having to produce, but it seems that unless you
> write
> some hugely successful track these days that it's nearly impossible to get
> anywhere. It's very difficult for newcomers. I don't like that. Can't we
> all
> be rock stars?
> -------------------------------------------
> Go to Dancemusicstore.com for Jason Dunne's latest mixed CDs, Sunrise
> Sessions and Of Epic Proportion.
>
>
> my tour dates for the united states for the next few months are as
> follows...
>
> fri march 9, chicago
> sat march 10, houston
> wed, march 14 philly
> thurs march 15, NYC
> fri march 16, austin
> sat march 17, atalanta
> wed march 21 detroit AND dc
> thurs march 22 miami (space AND level)
> fri march 23, ft laud
> sat march 24, miami(ultra beach fest)
> wed march 28, nashville
> thurs march 29, indianapolis
> fri march 30, st louis
> sat march 31, denver
> thurs april 5, portland
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> sat april 7, seattle
> wed april 11, las vegas
> thurs april 12, san diego
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blessings everyone!

i wanted to intro myself...
Tamu, artist, mom of three, egroups list founder and moderator for
2 1/2 years.
my website is
http://www.BlueArtStudio.com

peace
T

Hi Tamu,

Welcome!  The TRANCE list is a pretty quiet list

*crickets chirping in the background*

Tufani
> blessings everyone!
>
> i wanted to intro myself...
> Tamu, artist, mom of three, egroups list founder and moderator for
> 2 1/2 years.
> my website is
> http://www.BlueArtStudio.com
>
> peace
> T
>
>
>
>
> May the Ancestors guide your hands and hearts
> http://www.tufani.com
>
>
> (Send unsubscribe requests to tufani@...)
>

Quiet lists are good.... a great place to log on and meditate!
:)



--- In trance-artists@y..., tufani@t... wrote:
> Hi Tamu,
>
> Welcome!  The TRANCE list is a pretty quiet list
>
> *crickets chirping in the background*
>
> Tufani
> > blessings everyone!
> >
> > i wanted to intro myself...
> > Tamu, artist, mom of three, egroups list founder and moderator
for
> > 2 1/2 years.
> > my website is
> > http://www.BlueArtStudio.com
> >
> > peace
> > T
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > May the Ancestors guide your hands and hearts
> > http://www.tufani.com
> >
> >
> > (Send unsubscribe requests to tufani@t...)
> >

To: trance-artists@egroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 5:35 PM

Subject: Re: [TRANCE eGuild] The Ancestral Self Group Project Where we at yall?

Tufani,

I am resending you my address.

I would like to be involved in the ancestral self project.

Riva Weinstein

296 Stissing Road

Stanfordville, NY 12581

Thanks!

 

  Tufani Mayfield <tufani@...> wrote:

Okay just checking in with folks to see where we are at with the ancestral Self project.

 

So far I have the following TRANCE folks on the list of those involved:

 

Jacqueline Springer of New York (I'm in New york too by the way)
Greer of Australia

 

There was another person out of Aussie land, right? And a couple of tothers...

 

C'mon folks whomever is going to be in on this project speak up now so I can get you on th emailing list.. so far there's only three of us confirmed.  Those within the US need to send me mailing addresses and if you are outside of the US, or just prefer to contribute digitally, e-mail me your part as an attachment and I'll print it out and collage it in.

 

Tufani

http://www.tufani.com

 

 

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(845) 868-1008

 

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Great Tufani - I'm out of town til next week but as
soon as I get back will work on the collaboration and
send it on! Glad we're getting started. Can't wait to
see it!
Riva
--- "www.Tufani.com" <tufani@...> wrote:
> Riva, will be the first to receive the Ancestral
> Self piece.
> I'm mailing it off today.
>
> Riva I will send to the following address:
> 296 Stissing Road
> Stanfordville, NY 12581
>
> Feel free to overlap my part some if you need to
> I'll be sure not to take it personally. :-)
>
> Riva, after you are done adding your touches, mail
> it to Jacqelin Springer at the following address:
> jacqueline springer
> po  box 28
> hudson falls,,new york  12839
>
> Then Jaq after that send it to Aaron Pines in
> Atlanta.  I think that is everyone for Ancestral
> Self.
>
> The paper I think is 24x36
> ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Riva     Weinstein
>   To: trance-artists@egroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 5:35 PM
>   Subject: Re: [TRANCE eGuild] The Ancestral Self
> Group Project Where we at yall?
>
>
>   Tufani,
>
>   I am resending you my address.
>
>   I would like to be involved in the ancestral self
> project.
>
>   Riva Weinstein
>
>   296 Stissing Road
>
>   Stanfordville, NY 12581
>
>   Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>     Tufani Mayfield <tufani@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>     Okay just checking in with folks to see where we
> are at with the ancestral Self project.
>
>
>
>
>
>     So far I have the following TRANCE folks on the
> list of those involved:
>
>
>
>
>
>     Jacqueline Springer of New York (I'm in New york
> too by the way)
>     Greer of Australia
>
>
>
>
>
>     There was another person out of Aussie land,
> right? And a couple of tothers...
>
>
>
>
>
>     C'mon folks whomever is going to be in on this
> project speak up now so I can get you on th emailing
> list.. so far there's only three of us confirmed.
> Those within the US need to send me mailing
> addresses and if you are outside of the US, or just
> prefer to contribute digitally, e-mail me your part
> as an attachment and I'll print it out and collage
> it in.
>
>
>
>
>
>     Tufani
>
>
>     http://www.tufani.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>     May the Ancestors guide your hands and hearts
>     http://home.att.net/~tufani
>
>
>
>
>
>   riva_isms@...
>   296 stissing road, stanfordville, ny 12581
>   (845) 868-1008
>
>   riva weinstein - creative direction, concept
> development & copywriting
>   riva-isms - fine silver jewelry, good luck charms
> & talismans
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> empowerment classes
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>
>
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Tufani,

Who do I send our collaboration  to next?
Thanks!

Riva

PS. What a great experience. I was agonizing about what to add to your wonderful image as most of my work is three dimensional, and then I got the idea to do some computer images of photos I'd taken of some of my work... well, that was just the beginning. Thanks for the opportunity to be a part of this awesome work in the making!

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When Sweden's Aril Brikha decided to shop his demo, there were really only two outside choices for him. When Transmat released his 'ART OF VENGENCE' EP through their FRAGILE subsidiary in early 1998, its combination of propulsive rhythms with a warm vibe resonated with both house and techno Djs, especially with tastemakers like New York's Francois K.

Aril was born in Teheran, Iran and is now 22 years old with two albums out on Derrick may's FRAGILE &; TRANSMAT label. His single of 98' was a success on many floors worldwide, with the compilation's range of deep fine music, but most of all some proper and clean techno. It almost came out of nowhere, showing the many sides of Aril, with the idea of putting out deeper sounds and vibes of late night music and its activities.

His first influences were Depeche Mode, Kraftwerk, Jean-Michelle Jarre, Front 242 through to Micheal Jackson and has released tracks for Dunkla, Plump, and Placktown Sounds, all swedish labels. He whose idea of progression is to get deeper instead of harder and faster, will be making this first Asian stop here in Malaysia. Not travelling as a DJ, Aril Brikha will manipulate and create sounds with 'a beat, a groove with energy and some warm sounds'.

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Hey Riva,

Glad to hear you are enjoying this!

Go ahead and add your stuff the the same sheet of paper.  Or if you feel the
need I guess you could figure out a way to add paper.  Up to you.

Next person to send the piece to is:
Jacqueline springer
po  box 28
hudson falls,,new york  12839

Jacqueline are you ready?

Tufani
http://www.tufani.com

----- Original Message -----
From: <riva_isms@...>
To: <tufani@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 11:18 AM
Subject: Request for Tufani's Creative Services


> Below is the information submitted on Mar-10-2001 11:18 EST
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------
>
> realname:  riva
> username:  riva_isms@...
> phone:  (845) 868-1008
> address:
>
> comments:
> Hi Tufani,
> Couldn't find your email address... who do I send the collaboration to
next? And are we supposed to add our images to the actual piece of paper
your image is on, or attach another piece? Thanks.
> SUBMIT:  Submit
> sort:  realname,username,phone,address,comments
>

Jacqueline -

Where exactly is Hudson Falls? Is it anywhere near Hudson? I'm in Stanfordville and would love the opportunity to get out and about if you want to meet for coffee one day this week.

Riva

  "www.Tufani.com" <tufani@...> wrote:

Hey Riva,

Glad to hear you are enjoying this!

Go ahead and add your stuff the the same sheet of paper. Or if you feel the
need I guess you could figure out a way to add paper. Up to you.

Next person to send the piece to is:
Jacqueline springer
po box 28
hudson falls,,new york 12839

Jacqueline are you ready?

Tufani
http://www.tufani.com

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 11:18 AM
Subject: Request for Tufani's Creative Services


> Below is the information submitted on Mar-10-2001 11:18 EST
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------
>
> realname: riva
> username: riva_isms@...
> phone: (845) 868-1008
> address:
>
> comments:
> Hi Tufani,
> Couldn't find your email address... who do I send the collaboration to
next? And are we supposed to add our images to the actual piece of paper
your image is on, or attach another piece? Thanks.
> SUBMIT: Submit
> sort: realname,username,phone,address,comments
>


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Jacqueline - are you out there? I'm set to send you the ancestral self collaboration, but would love to know you're out there before entrusting it to the USPS.

Thanks!
Riva

  "www.Tufani.com" <tufani@...> wrote:

Hey Riva,

Glad to hear you are enjoying this!

Go ahead and add your stuff the the same sheet of paper. Or if you feel the
need I guess you could figure out a way to add paper. Up to you.

Next person to send the piece to is:
Jacqueline springer
po box 28
hudson falls,,new york 12839

Jacqueline are you ready?

Tufani
http://www.tufani.com

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 11:18 AM
Subject: Request for Tufani's Creative Services


> Below is the information submitted on Mar-10-2001 11:18 EST
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------
>
> realname: riva
> username: riva_isms@...
> phone: (845) 868-1008
> address:
>
> comments:
> Hi Tufani,
> Couldn't find your email address... who do I send the collaboration to
next? And are we supposed to add our images to the actual piece of paper
your image is on, or attach another piece? Thanks.
> SUBMIT: Submit
> sort: realname,username,phone,address,comments
>


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----- Original Message -----

From: Riva Weinstein

To: trance-artists@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 8:49 AM

Subject: Re: [TRANCE eGuild] Re: Ancestral Self Collaboration

Jacqueline - are you out there? I'm set to send you the ancestral self collaboration, but would love to know you're out there before entrusting it to the USPS.

Thanks!
Riva

  "www.Tufani.com" <tufani@...> wrote:

Hey Riva,

Glad to hear you are enjoying this!

Go ahead and add your stuff the the same sheet of paper. Or if you feel the
need I guess you could figure out a way to add paper. Up to you.

Next person to send the piece to is:
Jacqueline springer
po box 28
hudson falls,,new york 12839

Jacqueline are you ready?

Tufani
http://www.tufani.com

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 11:18 AM
Subject: Request for Tufani's Creative Services


> Below is the information submitted on Mar-10-2001 11:18 EST
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------
>
> realname: riva
> username: riva_isms@...
> phone: (845) 868-1008
> address:
>
> comments:
> Hi Tufani,
> Couldn't find your email address... who do I send the collaboration to
next? And are we supposed to add our images to the actual piece of paper
your image is on, or attach another piece? Thanks.
> SUBMIT: Submit
> sort: realname,username,phone,address,comments
>


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riva_isms@...

296 stissing road, stanfordville, ny 12581

(845) 868-1008

 

riva weinstein - creative direction, concept development & copywriting

riva-isms - fine silver jewelry, good luck charms & talismans

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Great Tufani, sounds like a plan.
Riva

  "www.Tufani.com" <tufani@...> wrote:

Riva, lets wait to hear from here and if there is no response in a couple of days just send it to Aaron in Atlanta.  I'll provide that address .. I need to find it... Aaron could you re-post your mailing address?

 

Tufani

----- Original Message -----

From: Riva Weinstein

To: trance-artists@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 8:49 AM

Subject: Re: [TRANCE eGuild] Re: Ancestral Self Collaboration

Jacqueline - are you out there? I'm set to send you the ancestral self collaboration, but would love to know you're out there before entrusting it to the USPS.

Thanks!
Riva

  "www.Tufani.com" <tufani@...> wrote:

Hey Riva,

Glad to hear you are enjoying this!

Go ahead and add your stuff the the same sheet of paper. Or if you feel the
need I guess you could figure out a way to add paper. Up to you.

Next person to send the piece to is:
Jacqueline springer
po box 28
hudson falls,,new york 12839

Jacqueline are you ready?

Tufani
http://www.tufani.com

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 11:18 AM
Subject: Request for Tufani's Creative Services


> Below is the information submitted on Mar-10-2001 11:18 EST
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------
>
> realname: riva
> username: riva_isms@...
> phone: (845) 868-1008
> address:
>
> comments:
> Hi Tufani,
> Couldn't find your email address... who do I send the collaboration to
next? And are we supposed to add our images to the actual piece of paper
your image is on, or attach another piece? Thanks.
> SUBMIT: Submit
> sort: realname,username,phone,address,comments
>


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Greetings!

Would love to see some more of your batiks. The addy
here isn't good anymore. Do you have a new one?

~Sunyatta


--- Nmuta Jones <nmuta@...> wrote:
> Hello group... just wanted to let you all know that
> my temporary site is up
> which features pictures of some of my work.
>
> the address is http://www.free2000.com/cwp
>
> It is very basic; I am no web designer, but my
> family across country wanted
> a way to see my work and this was a free medium.
>
> I learned enough html to create and edit my pages.
> Any suggestions
> are definately welcome. Thanks, yall.
>
> -Nmuta
>
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