From: Heartfyre Wicca <heartfyre.wicca@...>
Subject: Re: [Angels Incarnate] Re: Light and Dark and the Pagan Path
To: angelsincarnate@yahoogroups.com
Received: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 10:38 PM

 

I am confused...

I am confused by Majitha's post, and by L.A.'s response to it.

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:05 PM, L. A.<bloodambar@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>
> These are very old posts. We are not going down this path again. If you are
> unwilling to tolerate other points of view respectfully, then this is not
> the site for you.
>
> Do NOT try to stir dissension in this group and tell me how "light" and
> "right" that is. We are known by the "fruits of the Spirit."
>
> This will not happen again.
>
> L.
>
> Moderator
>
> "Just working the paradigm shift."
>
> --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Majitha Egodaarachchi <majitha_e@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Majitha Egodaarachchi <majitha_e@yahoo. com>
> Subject: [Angels Incarnate] Re: Light and Dark and the Pagan Path
> To: angelsincarnate@ yahoogroups. com
> Received: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 5:56 AM
>
>
> I am new to this group,
>
> I live in Dubai and am trying to find my way too.. But please don't leave
> the group because it is a very tough time for each and everyone... Letting
> go of old beliefs, (Me i thought God was a grand father before as in church
> pictures) So understanding these new things have often put me in chaos and
> in the hands of wrong people and their accusations and i almost went crazy..
> But i survived and still fighting....
>
> majitha
>
> --- In angelsincarnate@ yahoogroups. com, "Rand" <hp_rand436103@ ...> wrote:
>>
>> kevin, I probably understand it alot better than the person who wrote
>> the site. Infortunately I have seen the long-term consequences. I am
>> not here to blast anyone. My job is to serve the creator- the one
>> creator- leaving all of the "demigods" (which are just entities along
>> the lines of humans, they are created, not creators) in the place
>> they choose for themselves. My job is to bring light, and to fight
>> darkness. Honestly, I am amazed that a group for incarnated angels
>> would be so full of dark-path followers. Honestly, if I do not see
>> some light followers speak out here, i will probably leave this site
>> pretty soon.
>>
>>
>> --- In angelsincarnate@ yahoogroups. com, "Kevin Mark" <kevin@>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Here's an article that more or less echos my own feelings about the
>> subject:
>> >
>> > http://www.waningmo on.com/jcoughlin /writing/ drkpagan. shtml
>> >
>> > I'm guessing I'll get blasted for "embracing evil" by Rand, but I'm
>> not here
>> > for his approval.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Kevin 'Solus' Mark
>> > Priest, Shamanic Soul Coach
>> > www.soulcoachkevin. com
>> >
>>
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From: Majitha Egodaarachchi <majitha_e@...>
Subject: [Angels Incarnate] Re: Light and Dark and the Pagan Path
To: angelsincarnate@yahoogroups.com
Received: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 5:56 AM

 

I am new to this group,

I live in Dubai and am trying to find my way too.. But please don't leave the group because it is a very tough time for each and everyone... Letting go of old beliefs, (Me i thought God was a grand father before as in church pictures) So understanding these new things have often put me in chaos and in the hands of wrong people and their accusations and i almost went crazy.. But i survived and still fighting....

majitha

--- In angelsincarnate@ yahoogroups. com, "Rand" <hp_rand436103@ ...> wrote:
>
> kevin, I probably understand it alot better than the person who wrote
> the site. Infortunately I have seen the long-term consequences. I am
> not here to blast anyone. My job is to serve the creator- the one
> creator- leaving all of the "demigods" (which are just entities along
> the lines of humans, they are created, not creators) in the place
> they choose for themselves. My job is to bring light, and to fight
> darkness. Honestly, I am amazed that a group for incarnated angels
> would be so full of dark-path followers. Honestly, if I do not see
> some light followers speak out here, i will probably leave this site
> pretty soon.
>
>
> --- In angelsincarnate@ yahoogroups. com, "Kevin Mark" <kevin@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Here's an article that more or less echos my own feelings about the
> subject:
> >
> > http://www.waningmo on.com/jcoughlin /writing/ drkpagan. shtml
> >
> > I'm guessing I'll get blasted for "embracing evil" by Rand, but I'm
> not here
> > for his approval.
> >
> > --
> > Kevin 'Solus' Mark
> > Priest, Shamanic Soul Coach
> > www.soulcoachkevin. com
> >
>

From: l_btmn <l_btmn@...>
Subject: [Angels Incarnate] Hello, I have just joined here are some thoughts
To: angelsincarnate@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 12:07 PM

Hello, I have joined this group because I have known since my childhood that I am not of this earth. Throughout childhood I knew that although surrounded by human love my true nurturing was coming from individuals who always existed in the corner of my eye. I have always dreamed of home but am still happy and exicted to be involved in earthly matters.

At times in my life I have been defeated by darkness which has left me down but have always seen light through darkness which has resurected my soul and lifted me from suffering. I am now receiving messages as my understanding of the true nature of the universe comes into my concious thoughts.

In conclusion I believe there is a natural balance of good and evil in this world which depend on each other like mother and child. It is my belief that our true nature is being highlighted in order to unite our light. Since having his realisation I have been sent many signs, white feathers, this site and various animals. Does anybody else share my thoughts.

From: l_btmn <l_btmn@...>
Subject: [Angels Incarnate] Hello, I have just joined here are some thoughts
To: angelsincarnate@yahoogroups.com
Received: Monday, June 8, 2009, 12:07 PM

Hello, I have joined this group because I have known since my childhood that I am not of this earth. Throughout childhood I knew that although surrounded by human love my true nurturing was coming from individuals who always existed in the corner of my eye. I have always dreamed of home but am still happy and exicted to be involved in earthly matters.

At times in my life I have been defeated by darkness which has left me down but have always seen light through darkness which has resurected my soul and lifted me from suffering. I am now receiving messages as my understanding of the true nature of the universe comes into my concious thoughts.

In conclusion I believe there is a natural balance of good and evil in this world which depend on each other like mother and child. It is my belief that our true nature is being highlighted in order to unite our light. Since having his realisation I have been sent many signs, white feathers, this site and various animals. Does anybody else share my thoughts.

From: lisalamendola <lisalamendola@...>
Subject: [Angels Incarnate] Introducing Me...
To: angelsincarnate@yahoogroups.com
Received: Monday, April 27, 2009, 8:09 AM

Hi, I just joined this group in search of other walk-ins or those who know walk-ins (and starseeds). I walked in June of 2001 and for seven years had a rough go of it....trying to finish up obligations to the soul that was and figure out who and what I was. Had a HUGE conscious shift in January 2009 and over the past few months now feel "connected" to this life (in mind/body/spirit) and am seeing the world in a whole new light. My "mission" in life has suddenly become clearer to me and the obstacles seem to have melted away (for now, at least). I hope to meet others who have similar experiences.

I have met other walk-ins as well as starseeds who just recently had a conscious shift and are aware of who they are and why they are here....that is most exciting to me!

I look forward to sharing with and learning from others here.

Lisa

From: Kevin Mark <kevin@...>
Subject: [Angels Incarnate] Beyond Good and Evil lies Love.
To: angelsincarnate@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 2:28 PM

I once read (I can't remember where) that if Mankind fell from
paradise, because Adam and Eve ate the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge
of Good and Evil, then Mankind persists in that fallen state, because
they refuse to STOP eating that fruit. And that the way back to God
was to change our spiritual diet... from judgment and condemnation
wherein we label the world around us as "good" or "evil" to a diet of
compassion and love. That we return to paradise when we START eating
from that other tree in the Garden of Eden, the Tree of Life (which is
Love). But we can not eat from both Trees. We have to choose one
Tree or the other. If we are judging others, we are not loving
them... and vice-versa.

I choose to see the world in terms of "wounding" and "healing". All
incarnates (whether human or angelic) are wounded, some more than
others, but we can heal from our wounds.

All behavior is a strategy employed to meet a need. And all incarnate
needs are universal... all incarnates are in possession of the same
set of needs. Some meet some of their needs better than others.
Harmful behavior is employed when a person either is not aware of the
harm they are causing, or doesn't care, because their need is so very
poignant, and they know of no other way to effectively meet their
need.

Healing begins with consciousness. When someone is made aware of the
harm they are causing, and that there are other effective ways of
meeting their needs, they will almost invariably express a desire to
adopt a new strategy to meet their need. At that point, it is mostly
a matter of changing one's behavioral habits.

So, speaking of Good and Evil doesn't do much for me. Help me bring
more healing to the world.

--
Kevin 'Solus' Mark
Priest, Shamanic Soul Coach
www.soulcoachkevin. com

From: Kevin Mark <kevin@...>
Subject: Re: [Angels Incarnate] Blindness to the pathes
To: angelsincarnate@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 10:02 PM

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:49 PM, twilight_je <templar_je04@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Lately there has been much debate over the whole light, dark, good,
> and evil issue. I don't claim to be the expert on the matter. There
> are stil times I question my sanity at believing myself an angel.
>
> I think people are far too sensitive on the subject. That is my own
> opinion. When I think on the matter it's not about how but who I
> serve. There are bound to be those of any side saying they are in the
> right, that they are the wounded party. It's all about perception.
>
> An angel who connects being good with light will see those who use
> darkness as being tainted. They aren't alone. I don't know names but
> I know there are many angels outside of this material world who
> ascribe it in such ways.
>
> Those who freely use dark and shadow often see those who solely rely
> on light to be narrow-minded, as handicapped. Again these beings
> aren't alone.
>
> On the subject of good and evil. Good is good. Evil is evil. There
> isn't much room on the fenceline for people to sit. Straddling both
> sides is still showing you enjoy certain acts thought of as evil.
>
> When it comes to those who use either light or darkness, remember one
> thing, it's only a matter of shades. Light or darkness, it's merely
> the means to an end. Can light or darkness exist without the other?
> No. I would never suggest a segregation. I only want understanding. I
> would hope that those "who dwell in shadow" as the phrase goes will
> be as understanding as they wish the "light-walkers" to be.
>
> To sum it all up, I think we all need to get off our high horses and
> bruised egos and go for a walk together. This is a journey after all.
>

Thank you for sharing this. You effectively decouple the concepts of
Good vs. Evil from Light vs. Dark They are not the same spectra
under different names, which is the contention that some have made,
and which others, like you and me, disagree. There is Light and there
is Dark. There is Good and there is Evil. These are two separate
spectra describing two different things. We could also add in Order
vs. Chaos. Some see Order as Good and Chaos as Evil, and vice-versa.
But that is a third spectrum and ought not be linked to the other two.

I think you might perhaps be misunderstanding one side's point of view, however.

Even the phrase "Those who freely use the dark and shadow" misses the
point of those of us who take a different perspective of the Light vs.
Dark discussion. It's not necessarily that we "use" the dark and
shadow, so much as we are willing to work in it and find what
treasures may be found in it. Although we have a healthy respect for
the Dark and the damage that it can do, we do not fear it, because we
develop skills to effectively work in it. (I suggest that many who
call the Dark "Evil" do so because they lack the skills, and get hurt
by the Dark, and develop a fear of it.) We also respect the Light,
and the damage it can do, as well (and if you don't think Light can do
damage, I recommend some additional introspection on the subject).

I would call us "Balance Workers", who go where there is need. Often,
the greatest need is in the Dark, and we go into the Dark, without
judgment, to bring what healing is needful. Jesus hung out with
"publicans and sinners" and was condemned for it by the "righteous".
But he turned around and said that many "sinners" were more righteous
than those who followed the Law of God to the letter.

As for Good and Evil? Well, I'm not so convinced that they are all
they're cracked up to be. I don't see people as being good or evil. I
see the wounded and I see the whole, and all different degrees of
wounding. I also sometimes see the completely broken, who, for
whatever reason, are beyond healing in this life. Adolf Hitler and
Heinrich Himmler were likely in that category. Psychologists call it
"Conduct Disorder". There are people with literally no moral
conscience. You may call it "Evil" and perhaps rightly so. I choose
to call it "mental illness".

But, barring that, people with moral conscience get wounded. And
wounds need healing. Many of those wounds are in the Darkness... a
Darkness that is often CREATED by the Light. That's why we call it
"Shadow". A Shadow exists where the Light is occluded. A Lightworker
might say, "Then remove the occlusion!" But the occlusion is the Soul
itself, and can not be removed. The "Light", in these cases, is most
often that of Judgment, which when applied to the Self, is Shame and
Guilt. ONLY people with a moral conscience feel these things, and
they cast aspects of their own Soul that the Light deems to be
"undesirable" into the Shadow as they try to rid themselves of them.
But these aspects do not go away. They become "Shadow Aspects".
Often, the brighter the Light one projects on the surface (and usually
outward), the darker the Shadow they have within.

As a Shaman, I aid in "soul retrieval", which mostly involves
exploring the Shadow to recover these lost aspects of Self. Because,
no matter how undesirable the Light has deemed them to be, they have
value. To recover them, we often have to tell those Light Aspects to
dim themselves.

I could go on, but this is getting too long already. Oh, and I
empathize with those who feel really offended by the attacks from the
"Light-siders" . This work I do in the Darkness of the Soul is
positive, healing work. I am certain that others who have taken a
stance against these attacks from the Light are doing similar work, or
at least see the value in the kind of work I do. I don't appreciate
having my valuable work dismissed, denigrated, and accused of being
"Evil".

--
Kevin 'Solus' Mark
Priest, Shamanic Soul Coach
www.soulcoachkevin. com

From: twilight_je <templar_je04@...>
Subject: [Angels Incarnate] Blindness to the pathes
To: angelsincarnate@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 1:49 PM

Lately there has been much debate over the whole light, dark, good,
and evil issue. I don't claim to be the expert on the matter. There
are stil times I question my sanity at believing myself an angel.

I think people are far too sensitive on the subject. That is my own
opinion. When I think on the matter it's not about how but who I
serve. There are bound to be those of any side saying they are in the
right, that they are the wounded party. It's all about perception.

An angel who connects being good with light will see those who use
darkness as being tainted. They aren't alone. I don't know names but
I know there are many angels outside of this material world who
ascribe it in such ways.

Those who freely use dark and shadow often see those who solely rely
on light to be narrow-minded, as handicapped. Again these beings
aren't alone.

On the subject of good and evil. Good is good. Evil is evil. There
isn't much room on the fenceline for people to sit. Straddling both
sides is still showing you enjoy certain acts thought of as evil.

When it comes to those who use either light or darkness, remember one
thing, it's only a matter of shades. Light or darkness, it's merely
the means to an end. Can light or darkness exist without the other?
No. I would never suggest a segregation. I only want understanding. I
would hope that those "who dwell in shadow" as the phrase goes will
be as understanding as they wish the "light-walkers" to be.

To sum it all up, I think we all need to get off our high horses and
bruised egos and go for a walk together. This is a journey after all.

From: twilight_je <templar_je04@...>
Subject: [Angels Incarnate] Blindness to the pathes
To: angelsincarnate@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 1:49 PM

Lately there has been much debate over the whole light, dark, good,
and evil issue. I don't claim to be the expert on the matter. There
are stil times I question my sanity at believing myself an angel.

I think people are far too sensitive on the subject. That is my own
opinion. When I think on the matter it's not about how but who I
serve. There are bound to be those of any side saying they are in the
right, that they are the wounded party. It's all about perception.

An angel who connects being good with light will see those who use
darkness as being tainted. They aren't alone. I don't know names but
I know there are many angels outside of this material world who
ascribe it in such ways.

Those who freely use dark and shadow often see those who solely rely
on light to be narrow-minded, as handicapped. Again these beings
aren't alone.

On the subject of good and evil. Good is good. Evil is evil. There
isn't much room on the fenceline for people to sit. Straddling both
sides is still showing you enjoy certain acts thought of as evil.

When it comes to those who use either light or darkness, remember one
thing, it's only a matter of shades. Light or darkness, it's merely
the means to an end. Can light or darkness exist without the other?
No. I would never suggest a segregation. I only want understanding. I
would hope that those "who dwell in shadow" as the phrase goes will
be as understanding as they wish the "light-walkers" to be.

To sum it all up, I think we all need to get off our high horses and
bruised egos and go for a walk together. This is a journey after all.

From: Susan Matthews <bastetmau@...>
Subject: Re: [Angels Incarnate] Re: Dear God/dess, What is this mess?!
To: angelsincarnate@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 1:29 AM

Oh my,  You are right L.  Mercury Retrograde and it's penchant for misunderstanding and jumping to conclusions is at work.  Also I must say it looks as if much of this started during the Full Moon and Mercury Retrograde, personally that is a time for much deep breathing, stepping back and waiting and mulling things over before replying.   I was active in this group a while ago, at least over a year.  I have hesitated to speak out because too often there is hostility at any offering differing opinions.  So I lurk until I decide maybe it's time to try to reach out to someone new or offer a view point.   Surely, once again it has happened.   I will not quit the group but it makes me terribly sad that there is so little tolerance demonstrated by a few loud voices.   A few clarifying thoughts on MY PERSONAL perspective of Dark and light and evil and good and all that stuff for the conclusion jumpers.   Dark and light are indeed on a spectrum and the words mean many, many, many different things.  Jumping to conclusions on those meanings generally causes conflict and problems for the jumper and the jumpee.   From what I see, and what I feel, and have read Evil is an extreme of Darkness, there is also it's opposite, an extreme good in the very light end of things.    I myself work with both Shadow energies and Light energies for personal understanding.  I adore Chaos at times and at times I adore the perfect Order.  Neither is better than the other.  I am a Lightworker, shattering paradigms and shifting rigid though patterns that are dark and confining.   Problems arise when things get out of balance.  I strive for creating balance in a very unbalanced place.  Where I live the people are out of balance, the environment is out of balance, the beings living in this environment suffer an inordinate amount because of the lack of balance.  Suffering is innate to this experience but, even suffering should not be in excess and out of balance.    About my take on cleansing the dark where ever I find it.  I am fortunately and unfortunately very sensitive, Clairaudient, Empahic, Clairsentient etc....   I see, hear, know, feel things most can't because they are still asleep (no accusations to any one at all!)  It is a difficult path.  I am bombarded daily by the emotions and thoughts of those around me, pummeled if you will.  I do shield myself but, I have to re-shield often.  I choose not to "tamp" down my sensitivity, awareness has kept me alive in many instances. On this difficult path, I have grown stronger and more sensitive as I wake up.    I have a background in Ayurveda and practice to the best of my abilities finding balance.  If anyone is interested in finding out about the Mind-Body-Spirit connection and Balance and wellness, I suggest you begin by reading Perfect Health: The Mind-Body connection by Deepak Choprah.  It is a good beginning point and by no means the end of that wonderful subject.   Some of my perspective comes from the wisdom of the ancients passed on through Ayurveda.   Simply, a body-mind-spirit out of balance creates fear/anger, and illness.   And body-spirit- mind in balance is light (meaning clear,and focused and blissful)  not dark (meaning cluttered, disoriented, agitated, angry, confused, hateful, etc.)  (Don't jump to conclusions or read anything into Blissful unless you read something about Ayurveda and understand the term from that perspective) .   Where I live the population of people leans towards being dark sometimes to the extreme of evil.  If you look at their auras, they are dark, muddy, cluttered.  If you watch the energetics between people there are too many where I live that are Psychic Vampires, feeding off the energies of others.   If you look at the chakras, especially the heart, they are dark, muddy, closed off.  If you feel their energies while they drive or walk by their darkness is pummeling.   Sadly the people who sparkle and are light and balanced are too few and far between.   There are also plenty of Evil/Dark chaotic entities that are around those dark energy people.   I see them, I feel them, they cause pain and hurt,  that is EVIL from my perspective.   I am here, I am a lightworker, I will not tolerate anyone bullying me, or those in my charge.  If you want to be dark in my presence you have a choice, I will bless you, ask the Archangels to bless you and if necessary will work magic in psychic defense or you can leave me and mine alone.   I'm all for people following their own path, doing what they need to do.  Just don't work your negativity or darkness or evil on me or mine.    I don't work majik of my own to cleanse people of their negativity unless they ask me too.  It would be bad for Karma, imposing my will on another.  The reason I ask Archangel Michael, Archangel Raphael, and on occasion Archangel Chamuel to bless people is that they have a far better perspective on that other persons life.   They are wise and know not to mess with someones free will.   They also know if someone is deep down distressed at the way they are, stuck in their growth and terribly out of balance.  They know which path will help that person in working out their Karma.  They can plant the seed idea that, that person can choose to follow or not.  It never, never, never, never and never is bad idea to pray for someones health, their balance.  It is a GOOD idea to pray for light (clarity), love (the absence of dark, yuck, hate/fear), it is ALWAYS proper to pray for a person to find peace in their soul and clarity for their purpose on this path.   Too often, people being people, get taught bad behaviors growing up.  It is part of the path they must work, that Karmic thing I believe we are all tied to.  Too often, people being people, are afraid of anything different, or what they don't understand.  To Bless people, and pray for them to allow Beings of great light to offer a doorway for confused and angry people is a Balancing and Healing act.   Both for the prayer and the prayed.   From my first post, it seems that people jumped to conclusions about what a Lightworker is.   Poor Rand attempted too discuss the issue but, I was unable to find time to reply before this point.  Did anyone else bother to ask for a clarification, sadly no.  That imbalance that Mercury Retrograde and Full Moons bring, caused all sorts of darkness to get shuffled up and out in peoples brains and there was much conclusion jumping and anger slinging.  Unfortunately, instead of meditation or other inward looking techniques to explore that shadow self, anger was hurled now can't be taken back.   I am a Lightworker, I strive for a balance in a place that is not.  I live in a city where the politics heavily influences the trends for millions of people and flows outward across the United States and the World.   Balance is essential here, in people, and the many other beings that also live here and for the environment as a whole.   Being a Lightworker is not being pollyanna and prissy and throwing glitter and rainbows and playing with unicorns.  It's hard work.  The first job is cleansing out your own dark corners so you can find clarity, the job never ends.  Leading by example is also difficult, too many people try to change others before they look inwards to change their own negitivity/shadow self/darkness.    I am no prissy Lightworker, I have teeth and a sword of Light.  My Mother and Goddess of Heart is Sekhmet viewed by some as Evil and Dark  by others as a healer and source of Women's Power.  One of my very favorite guides is Anpu/Anubis nice Dark God there, helps you see every shadow you have hidden within yourself.  My guides are Archangels, Gods and Goddesses, Deities of Chaos and Nature, Shadow guides, Animal Guides, Elementals, and Divas in short I work with many entities from many, many sources.     Bless you L for your dedication.  I have been finding my own Wiccan/Electic/ spiritual path for only 19 years now.  I have had amazing wonderful teachers from many religions and perspectives.  I am constantly remembering my purpose, skills and brining those to action and integrating what works and losing what doesn't.   By the way, even though no one purposefully sent out psychic attacks.  It's amazing how one can indirectly harm another with hateful words.   Computers are powerful conduits for psychic energy.   Words are powerful conduits for psychic attacks and energy.  Thinking negative thoughts about others can be very, very harmful, even without expressing them.  These I know both from the "knowing of my path"  and from understanding how energy works both from the Ayuvedic perspective and the perspective of being a Physical Therapist (application of physics on the body/mind for healing).  Though I have been unable to reply until now, I have felt the hate, anger and agitation, all that emotion put into words, sent out on the Internet.   Because my post was the root of this tree, all that was piled upon that post came down through the root.   I have had little rest because of the storm of anger.   I have journaled my discomfort without looking at this email address, and surely it matched the date every hateful word put out on this thread now that I read in retrospect.  Please do not dismiss this perspective, unless you study it and perhaps practice to the point that your own sensitivity opens up.   Thank you L.  for the peace and sanity and trying to provide a place for all to present their views without others attacking them.   I also thank everyone who posted gentle input into the situation, offering perspective, I am grateful.   Blessed Be and light, love and peace be yours,   BastetMau, SatSekhmet, SatAnpu (Sat means daughter of)              --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Usyrna Era'tarien <vampirecartia203@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Usyrna Era'tarien <vampirecartia203@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Angels Incarnate] Re: Dear God/dess, What is this mess?! To: angelsincarnate@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 8:17 AM well me I would have been nicer if he did not insist my and others paths were evil because of "dark" nor did I like being called being apart of "satans children" I got very offended and felt very judged for nothing. I do not want to deal with people like that. Shadow, Queen to my King. --- On Wed, 1/14/09, L. A. <bloodambar@yahoo. com> wrote: From: L. A. <bloodambar@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [Angels Incarnate] Re: Dear God/dess, What is this mess?! To: angelsincarnate@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 11:14 AM We need to connect with other incarnate angels. Rand "reads" as one. I am sorry to see him go, and was very reluctant to cut one of our own from the list because he is stuck in the growth process. Was his nurturance and growth a concern of our group?   What is this silly wounding that a stranger can cause? If a child says foolish things, do we attack back, or go and sulk?   I offer information about myself, my path, and that which brings me peace. I do not need to justify it, and I care not how others add it up. If it is helpful, please draw from it, and if not, you must care for yourselves.   As a counsellor, Satanism has crossed my path, and there are branches of it that cause deep harm. A person involved in some of the groups would not easily be allowed to leave, and there are strategies to cause fear and compliance. (I have seen similar things in Christianity, btw, and do not malign all Satanic groups. I have studied texts and practices to understand this spiritual group, as I do others.)   What on heaven and earth do you believe was won by this? I am saddened by an argument where winning was more important than the connection of an isolated few in the world.   L.. "Just working the paradigm shift." --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Usyrna Era'tarien <vampirecartia203@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Usyrna Era'tarien <vampirecartia203@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Angels Incarnate] Re: Dear God/dess, What is this mess?! To: angelsincarnate@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 7:06 AM ya good by then because you really offended me and maybe offended others to. so ya good by. Shadow, Queen to my King. --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Rand <hp_rand436103@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Rand <hp_rand436103@ yahoo.com> Subject: [Angels Incarnate] Re: Dear God/dess, What is this mess?! To: angelsincarnate@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 10:05 AM Adios- y'all dark path followers can bring yourselves down. For the record, i did not threaten psychic attack on anyone. i merely stated i would engage in a war of words with people I disagree with. I call actions evil, not people. I will not pull any punches there. i believe every sentient entity has a right to choose their path, and change it at will. I believe every sentient entity has a right to hear the truth- whether they are willing to listen or not. I believe I showed good logic re darkness and evil. If you all choose to argue with it, that is your business. As to your Christianity and Wicca without contradiction, that is not possible without taking very significan liberties with both. i wish the best for all of you. Good Bye. --- In angelsincarnate@ yahoogroups. com, "L. A." <bloodambar@ ...> wrote: > > Hello, everyone. >   > After quickly trying to address this issue this morning, I went to work (chaplain and child therapist). On the way home I grocery shopped and retrieved the mail. Made dinner for my three teenagers, did laundry, helped with homework, returned phonecalls. Hoping for a moment's relaxation before bed (must rise at 6 am), I open this site. I am accused of not doing enough. >   > I am still laughing. >   > Get a grip, folks. >   > Let us be clear. No more name calling, threats of psychic attack (very inappropriate here, Rand), "shut the hell up"s, calling people evil. Slogging through this, I have become rather bored of "I am right, and righteous" and "I am smarter" and "You are bad/evil". No more. >   > Rand, if Mercury Rune, the site owner, or I choose to cut you from the list, we do not apply to do that, nor do we consult with you. Mind your manners. Last warning. >   > Thank you for John Coughlin's well-considered article, Mark. It is informative for those who are willing and ready to learn. >   > Remember "I messages" everyone? >   > I am very interested in your personal reflections, your awakening/rememberi ngs, your understandings of the world through the lens of your own experiences and senses. >   > How about a little less ego and a little more prayer/meditation to the God/dess of our understandings? The benefit of this little oddness (Mercury retrograde since Sunday and for three weeks) is that it has energized our group a little. >   > For those of you who are still reading, this moderator has an MA in theology from a Christian theology school, belongs to a post-modern Christian congregation (attends church at least once a week), and openly practises Wicca (30 years) without contradiction. To round it out, I have been studying world religion about 35 years and I am of Aboriginal heritage. >   > Blessings, >   > L. > > "Just working the paradigm shift." >

From: Usyrna Era'tarien <vampirecartia203@...>
Subject: Re: [Angels Incarnate] Re: Dear God/dess, What is this mess?!
To: angelsincarnate@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 8:17 AM

well me I would have been nicer if he did not insist my and others paths were evil because of "dark" nor did I like being called being apart of "satans children" I got very offended and felt very judged for nothing. I do not want to deal with people like that. Shadow, Queen to my King. --- On Wed, 1/14/09, L. A. <bloodambar@yahoo. com> wrote: From: L. A. <bloodambar@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [Angels Incarnate] Re: Dear God/dess, What is this mess?! To: angelsincarnate@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 11:14 AM We need to connect with other incarnate angels. Rand "reads" as one. I am sorry to see him go, and was very reluctant to cut one of our own from the list because he is stuck in the growth process. Was his nurturance and growth a concern of our group?   What is this silly wounding that a stranger can cause? If a child says foolish things, do we attack back, or go and sulk?   I offer information about myself, my path, and that which brings me peace. I do not need to justify it, and I care not how others add it up. If it is helpful, please draw from it, and if not, you must care for yourselves.   As a counsellor, Satanism has crossed my path, and there are branches of it that cause deep harm. A person involved in some of the groups would not easily be allowed to leave, and there are strategies to cause fear and compliance. (I have seen similar things in Christianity, btw, and do not malign all Satanic groups. I have studied texts and practices to understand this spiritual group, as I do others.)   What on heaven and earth do you believe was won by this? I am saddened by an argument where winning was more important than the connection of an isolated few in the world.   L.. "Just working the paradigm shift." --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Usyrna Era'tarien <vampirecartia203@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Usyrna Era'tarien <vampirecartia203@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Angels Incarnate] Re: Dear God/dess, What is this mess?! To: angelsincarnate@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 7:06 AM ya good by then because you really offended me and maybe offended others to. so ya good by. Shadow, Queen to my King. --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Rand <hp_rand436103@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Rand <hp_rand436103@ yahoo.com> Subject: [Angels Incarnate] Re: Dear God/dess, What is this mess?! To: angelsincarnate@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 10:05 AM Adios- y'all dark path followers can bring yourselves down. For the record, i did not threaten psychic attack on anyone. i merely stated i would engage in a war of words with people I disagree with. I call actions evil, not people. I will not pull any punches there. i believe every sentient entity has a right to choose their path, and change it at will. I believe every sentient entity has a right to hear the truth- whether they are willing to listen or not. I believe I showed good logic re darkness and evil. If you all choose to argue with it, that is your business. As to your Christianity and Wicca without contradiction, that is not possible without taking very significan liberties with both. i wish the best for all of you. Good Bye. --- In angelsincarnate@ yahoogroups. com, "L. A." <bloodambar@ ...> wrote: > > Hello, everyone. >   > After quickly trying to address this issue this morning, I went to work (chaplain and child therapist). On the way home I grocery shopped and retrieved the mail. Made dinner for my three teenagers, did laundry, helped with homework, returned phonecalls. Hoping for a moment's relaxation before bed (must rise at 6 am), I open this site. I am accused of not doing enough. >   > I am still laughing. >   > Get a grip, folks. >   > Let us be clear. No more name calling, threats of psychic attack (very inappropriate here, Rand), "shut the hell up"s, calling people evil. Slogging through this, I have become rather bored of "I am right, and righteous" and "I am smarter" and "You are bad/evil". No more. >   > Rand, if Mercury Rune, the site owner, or I choose to cut you from the list, we do not apply to do that, nor do we consult with you. Mind your manners. Last warning. >   > Thank you for John Coughlin's well-considered article, Mark. It is informative for those who are willing and ready to learn. >   > Remember "I messages" everyone? >   > I am very interested in your personal reflections, your awakening/rememberi ngs, your understandings of the world through the lens of your own experiences and senses. >   > How about a little less ego and a little more prayer/meditation to the God/dess of our understandings? The benefit of this little oddness (Mercury retrograde since Sunday and for three weeks) is that it has energized our group a little. >   > For those of you who are still reading, this moderator has an MA in theology from a Christian theology school, belongs to a post-modern Christian congregation (attends church at least once a week), and openly practises Wicca (30 years) without contradiction. To round it out, I have been studying world religion about 35 years and I am of Aboriginal heritage. >   > Blessings, >   > L. > > "Just working the paradigm shift." >

From: L. A. <bloodambar@...>
Subject: Re: [Angels Incarnate] Re: Dear God/dess, What is this mess?!
To: angelsincarnate@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 11:14 AM

We need to connect with other incarnate angels. Rand "reads" as one. I am sorry to see him go, and was very reluctant to cut one of our own from the list because he is stuck in the growth process. Was his nurturance and growth a concern of our group?   What is this silly wounding that a stranger can cause? If a child says foolish things, do we attack back, or go and sulk?   I offer information about myself, my path, and that which brings me peace. I do not need to justify it, and I care not how others add it up. If it is helpful, please draw from it, and if not, you must care for yourselves.   As a counsellor, Satanism has crossed my path, and there are branches of it that cause deep harm. A person involved in some of the groups would not easily be allowed to leave, and there are strategies to cause fear and compliance. (I have seen similar things in Christianity, btw, and do not malign all Satanic groups. I have studied texts and practices to understand this spiritual group, as I do others.)   What on heaven and earth do you believe was won by this? I am saddened by an argument where winning was more important than the connection of an isolated few in the world.   L.. "Just working the paradigm shift." --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Usyrna Era'tarien <vampirecartia203@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Usyrna Era'tarien <vampirecartia203@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Angels Incarnate] Re: Dear God/dess, What is this mess?! To: angelsincarnate@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 7:06 AM ya good by then because you really offended me and maybe offended others to. so ya good by. Shadow, Queen to my King. --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Rand <hp_rand436103@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Rand <hp_rand436103@ yahoo.com> Subject: [Angels Incarnate] Re: Dear God/dess, What is this mess?! To: angelsincarnate@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 10:05 AM Adios- y'all dark path followers can bring yourselves down. For the record, i did not threaten psychic attack on anyone. i merely stated i would engage in a war of words with people I disagree with. I call actions evil, not people. I will not pull any punches there. i believe every sentient entity has a right to choose their path, and change it at will. I believe every sentient entity has a right to hear the truth- whether they are willing to listen or not. I believe I showed good logic re darkness and evil. If you all choose to argue with it, that is your business. As to your Christianity and Wicca without contradiction, that is not possible without taking very significan liberties with both. i wish the best for all of you. Good Bye. --- In angelsincarnate@ yahoogroups. com, "L. A." <bloodambar@ ...> wrote: > > Hello, everyone. >   > After quickly trying to address this issue this morning, I went to work (chaplain and child therapist). On the way home I grocery shopped and retrieved the mail. Made dinner for my three teenagers, did laundry, helped with homework, returned phonecalls. Hoping for a moment's relaxation before bed (must rise at 6 am), I open this site. I am accused of not doing enough. >   > I am still laughing. >   > Get a grip, folks. >   > Let us be clear. No more name calling, threats of psychic attack (very inappropriate here, Rand), "shut the hell up"s, calling people evil. Slogging through this, I have become rather bored of "I am right, and righteous" and "I am smarter" and "You are bad/evil". No more. >   > Rand, if Mercury Rune, the site owner, or I choose to cut you from the list, we do not apply to do that, nor do we consult with you. Mind your manners. Last warning. >   > Thank you for John Coughlin's well-considered article, Mark. It is informative for those who are willing and ready to learn. >   > Remember "I messages" everyone? >   > I am very interested in your personal reflections, your awakening/rememberi ngs, your understandings of the world through the lens of your own experiences and senses. >   > How about a little less ego and a little more prayer/meditation to the God/dess of our understandings? The benefit of this little oddness (Mercury retrograde since Sunday and for three weeks) is that it has energized our group a little. >   > For those of you who are still reading, this moderator has an MA in theology from a Christian theology school, belongs to a post-modern Christian congregation (attends church at least once a week), and openly practises Wicca (30 years) without contradiction. To round it out, I have been studying world religion about 35 years and I am of Aboriginal heritage. >   > Blessings, >   > L. > > "Just working the paradigm shift." >

From: Usyrna Era'tarien <vampirecartia203@...>
Subject: Re: [Angels Incarnate] Re: Dear God/dess, What is this mess?!
To: angelsincarnate@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 7:06 AM

ya good by then because you really offended me and maybe offended others to. so ya good by. Shadow, Queen to my King. --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Rand <hp_rand436103@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Rand <hp_rand436103@ yahoo.com> Subject: [Angels Incarnate] Re: Dear God/dess, What is this mess?! To: angelsincarnate@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 10:05 AM Adios- y'all dark path followers can bring yourselves down. For the record, i did not threaten psychic attack on anyone. i merely stated i would engage in a war of words with people I disagree with. I call actions evil, not people. I will not pull any punches there. i believe every sentient entity has a right to choose their path, and change it at will. I believe every sentient entity has a right to hear the truth- whether they are willing to listen or not. I believe I showed good logic re darkness and evil. If you all choose to argue with it, that is your business. As to your Christianity and Wicca without contradiction, that is not possible without taking very significan liberties with both. i wish the best for all of you. Good Bye. --- In angelsincarnate@ yahoogroups. com, "L. A." <bloodambar@ ...> wrote: > > Hello, everyone. >   > After quickly trying to address this issue this morning, I went to work (chaplain and child therapist). On the way home I grocery shopped and retrieved the mail. Made dinner for my three teenagers, did laundry, helped with homework, returned phonecalls. Hoping for a moment's relaxation before bed (must rise at 6 am), I open this site. I am accused of not doing enough. >   > I am still laughing. >   > Get a grip, folks. >   > Let us be clear. No more name calling, threats of psychic attack (very inappropriate here, Rand), "shut the hell up"s, calling people evil. Slogging through this, I have become rather bored of "I am right, and righteous" and "I am smarter" and "You are bad/evil". No more. >   > Rand, if Mercury Rune, the site owner, or I choose to cut you from the list, we do not apply to do that, nor do we consult with you. Mind your manners. Last warning. >   > Thank you for John Coughlin's well-considered article, Mark. It is informative for those who are willing and ready to learn. >   > Remember "I messages" everyone? >   > I am very interested in your personal reflections, your awakening/rememberi ngs, your understandings of the world through the lens of your own experiences and senses. >   > How about a little less ego and a little more prayer/meditation to the God/dess of our understandings? The benefit of this little oddness (Mercury retrograde since Sunday and for three weeks) is that it has energized our group a little. >   > For those of you who are still reading, this moderator has an MA in theology from a Christian theology school, belongs to a post-modern Christian congregation (attends church at least once a week), and openly practises Wicca (30 years) without contradiction. To round it out, I have been studying world religion about 35 years and I am of Aboriginal heritage. >   > Blessings, >   > L. > > "Just working the paradigm shift." >

From: Rand <hp_rand436103@...>
Subject: [Angels Incarnate] Re: Dear God/dess, What is this mess?!
To: angelsincarnate@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 10:05 AM

Adios- y'all dark path followers can bring yourselves down. For the
record, i did not threaten psychic attack on anyone. i merely stated
i would engage in a war of words with people I disagree with. I call
actions evil, not people. I will not pull any punches there. i
believe every sentient entity has a right to choose their path, and
change it at will. I believe every sentient entity has a right to
hear the truth- whether they are willing to listen or not.
I believe I showed good logic re darkness and evil. If you all choose
to argue with it, that is your business.
As to your Christianity and Wicca without contradiction, that is not
possible without taking very significan liberties with both.
i wish the best for all of you. Good Bye.

--- In angelsincarnate@ yahoogroups. com, "L. A." <bloodambar@ ...>
wrote:
>
> Hello, everyone.
>  
> After quickly trying to address this issue this morning, I went to
work (chaplain and child therapist). On the way home I grocery
shopped and retrieved the mail. Made dinner for my three teenagers,
did laundry, helped with homework, returned phonecalls. Hoping for a
moment's relaxation before bed (must rise at 6 am), I open this site.
I am accused of not doing enough.
>  
> I am still laughing.
>  
> Get a grip, folks.
>  
> Let us be clear. No more name calling, threats of psychic attack
(very inappropriate here, Rand), "shut the hell up"s, calling people
evil. Slogging through this, I have become rather bored of "I am
right, and righteous" and "I am smarter" and "You are bad/evil". No
more.
>  
> Rand, if Mercury Rune, the site owner, or I choose to cut you from
the list, we do not apply to do that, nor do we consult with you.
Mind your manners. Last warning.
>  
> Thank you for John Coughlin's well-considered article, Mark. It is
informative for those who are willing and ready to learn.
>  
> Remember "I messages" everyone?
>  
> I am very interested in your personal reflections, your
awakening/rememberi ngs, your understandings of the world through the
lens of your own experiences and senses.
>  
> How about a little less ego and a little more prayer/meditation to
the God/dess of our understandings? The benefit of this little
oddness (Mercury retrograde since Sunday and for three weeks) is that
it has energized our group a little.
>  
> For those of you who are still reading, this moderator has an MA in
theology from a Christian theology school, belongs to a post-modern
Christian congregation (attends church at least once a week), and
openly practises Wicca (30 years) without contradiction. To round it
out, I have been studying world religion about 35 years and I am of
Aboriginal heritage.
>  
> Blessings,
>  
> L.
>
> "Just working the paradigm shift."
>