My apologies. Let's see if I can reword my question for you. Here it is: Does the Gospel of Mark belong in our Bible? Is so, why? God Bless Nathan PS I...
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cecilieaux
Jul 11, 2011 3:16 pm
... Why wouldn't Mark belong in the Bible? Both Trent and Luther agreed it did belong. It's in the Vulgate. It's in a whole bunch of lists of inspired books by...
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ehlsmith@...
ehlsmith
Jul 11, 2011 8:57 pm
Cecilieux, I think you are missing Nathan's point. He is highlighting forth a logical inconsistency in the Sola Scriptura position, and your response provides...
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cecilieaux
Jul 11, 2011 10:17 pm
Logical inconsistency schminconsistency. Sola Scriptura does was not meant to state that the Bible was its own basis, which is circular reasoning that Martin...
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michael quinlan
caoindealbhan
Jul 12, 2011 2:10 am
Dear Mr. Smith, A recognized authority has to be the final arbiter for deciding what is the Word of God and what isn't. The Catholic Church's hierarchy made...
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Nathan
nuclearmed
Jul 12, 2011 2:10 am
Thank you for you response. Now, does your belief system include Sola Scriptura, that the final authority for who believes that Jesus is our Lord and Savior is...
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Nathan
nuclearmed
Jul 12, 2011 2:32 am
Exactly, thank you michael. God Bless Nathan ... -- " In reality , holiness consists of one thing only : complete loyalty to God's will . " ( from Abandonment...
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cecilieaux
Jul 12, 2011 2:31 pm
It seems that no one seems to be taking the actual historical context of Luther's three solas into account. Nor even the fact that before the Council of Trent...
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Nathan
nuclearmed
Jul 12, 2011 3:31 pm
So, does this mean that you do recognize and accept the authority of the Catholic Church in determining the canon of Scripture? And if so, how is Sola...
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cecilieaux
Jul 12, 2011 4:45 pm
Whether I recognize it or not is irrelevant. I do have factual problems with the phrase "the authority of the Catholic Church in determining the canon of...
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Nathan
nuclearmed
Jul 12, 2011 5:12 pm
<interlinear...> ... Nathan replies: Well, I disagree. It is very much relevant. If you accept the the NT canon of Scripture as inspired by God then you are...
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cecilieaux
Jul 12, 2011 6:09 pm
I'll make it short and sweet. The first explicit declaration of canonicity by a council of the whole church was at Trent. Hippo and Carthage were not...
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Nathan
nuclearmed
Jul 12, 2011 6:47 pm
... Nathan replies: True but local councils in the late 4th century (392 and 396 I think) sent their list containing the same books to the Pope and was...
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michael quinlan
caoindealbhan
Jul 12, 2011 6:50 pm
Dear All Involved, Though the canon was closed, can it be opened again? In the Roman Catholic Church we are taught that our faith is constantly being revealed...
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cecilieaux
Jul 12, 2011 7:04 pm
Possible? Sure. Has it happened? I doubt it. ... -- Cecilieaux -- blogging at: Cecilieaux! -- musings of a contrarian <http://cecilieaux.blogspot.com/> Desde...
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cecilieaux
Jul 12, 2011 7:06 pm
Indeed, we are at a standstill. To me, "sola scriptura" is not worth debating. ... -- Cecilieaux -- blogging at: Cecilieaux! -- musings of a contrarian...
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Nathan
nuclearmed
Jul 12, 2011 7:48 pm
I can understand why. There's no way to successfully defend it. God Bless Nathan ... -- " In reality , holiness consists of one thing only : complete loyalty...
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Nathan
nuclearmed
Jul 13, 2011 3:04 am
I found this in the Catholic forum... It seems that one (but obviously not the only one) of the criteria used to determine *canonicity* is the use of the book...
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cecilieaux
Jul 13, 2011 2:46 pm
There's also liturgical use. Lex orandi, lex credendi. ... -- Cecilieaux -- blogging at: Cecilieaux! -- musings of a contrarian...
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Brian Atwood
tx_bigb
Jul 13, 2011 11:28 pm
A quick correction. The books were not canonized at Trent. They were reaffirmed at Trent thus the name "deuterocanonical" translated "canonized a second time"....
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cecilieaux
Jul 14, 2011 2:35 pm
I think that this misses the point of how doctrine has become doctrine. Before Trent there were various listings of "inspired"; books, but no major statement...
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Nathan
nuclearmed
Jul 14, 2011 5:01 pm
"willy nilly"? Luther did that with his doctrine of Sola Scriptura which can be found nowhere in Scripture. God Bless Nathan ... -- " In reality , holiness...
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cecilieaux
Jul 14, 2011 5:26 pm
... OK. Missed the hyphen: willy-nilly. Happy now? ... I would hardly call the Luther's process of deliberation willy-nilly. Read "Here I Stand" by Roland...
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Nathan
nuclearmed
Jul 14, 2011 5:36 pm
My apologies, I rushed into writing a reply and neglected to measure my words. Martin Luther probably did not decide to invent his doctrine of Sola Scriptura...
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Nathan
nuclearmed
Jul 14, 2011 8:28 pm
My apologies, I rushed into writing a reply and neglected to measure my words. Martin Luther probably did not decide to invent his doctrine of Sola Scriptura...
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cecilieaux
Jul 14, 2011 10:16 pm
According to some reports, he invented with a great deal of constipation. (Erik Erickson, Young Man Luther ... I think) ... -- Cecilieaux -- blogging at: ...
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michael quinlan
caoindealbhan
Jul 14, 2011 10:45 pm
Are you sure you mean constipation, not consternation, conflagration, or contemplation? On Jul 14, 2011, Cecilieaux <cecilieaux@...> wrote: According to...
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cecilieaux
Jul 15, 2011 1:04 pm
My understanding is that Luther spent an inordinate time in the bathroom trying to go. He apparently took reading and writing materials with him. I think I...
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michael quinlan
caoindealbhan
Jul 15, 2011 1:28 pm
If this is the case, the Roman Catholic Church owes a great debt of gratitude to Mr. Luther's bowel misfunctions. Without Mr. Luther there would be no...
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cecilieaux
Jul 15, 2011 2:15 pm
That's where I might quibble. For roughly 400 years, the Counter-Reformation froze Catholicism into a defensive posture intolerant of all criticism, to the...
