Hi Dale, now that you are in, I will leave this forum.

To the Forum Master:
Please remove my membership from this group. My beatiful CP16-3 is
now in care of better hands. I'm sure she will be happy under the new
captain.

To all: I enjoyed my time here. Thank you all.



           
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Dale -

Perhaps I performed the moderator duties a little bit too efficiently,
but I have already taken him off the list per his request.

Oops! and Sorry! - you'll have to email him.

Sounds like you got a great little boat. :D

As an aside, when I was performing that task last night, I noticed
that we have mebers in this Group from as far away as Turkey!
Interesting bit of trivia, that...

Hello to all of our far-flung friends! :D

Kurt CP23D "Epiphany"
(...watching Frances...)
liquid-epiphany.com
com-pacowners.com

Anyone out there have any recommendations or
experiences on a good place to take this class?
I'm in Missouri but I'd like to take it on the coast
somewhere.
Thanks in advance

Chip
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I have a 16 and one of my shrouds is also slightly bent.  I never really
considered it a safety issue.  I've been sailing with it for over a year
and don't have any plans to replace it.  That being said, however, I do
think it is a good idea to replace them all if you replace one.
Ron
CP-16 "At Ease"
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Hadn't thought of that Steve, [not making a suggestion sight unseen].
It's a 16 and the kink isn't quite a kink, it's just slighty bent. Can't
even notice it when rigged.  Again, when changing the cables on my
bicycle , I change both sides so the stretch stays the same.
That was primarly my question: If changing a shroud line, should you
replace them all ?
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concerning said question " !!!
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--- In com-pac@yahoogroups.com, c brooks <chipbrooks_47@y...> wrote:
> Anyone out there have any recommendations or
> experiences on a good place to take this class?
> I'm in Missouri but I'd like to take it on the coast
> somewhere.
> Thanks in advance
>
> Chip
> CP16 1822  "Showme'urs"
You didn't say which coast.  I just finished up to the level 4
certification.  If you check with Anacortes Yacht Charters
(Anacortes, WA), they have a learn and sail program , so that you can
it it all in a week.  The sailing is in the SanJuan Islands, which is
absolutely beautiful.  The water is deep, but somewhat sheltered.
The weather is fairly good and there is plenty of wildlife - seals,
whales, eagles, etc.   They have nice boats that they keep in good
shape. Check out there web site, just search on Google.

TomK
Linda Lee CP-27

Will do!

Craig

On Sep 1, 2004, at 12:29 PM, Gerry wrote:

> Craig;
>  
> I grew up crabbing in this area too.  In fact still do it. Learned
> last fall to fish for flounder!  I loved it.  Give me a call when you
> and your wife come to Humble.  It is only an hour away and I would
> love to take you all sailing.
>  
> All the East Coast guys:
>  
> My thought are with you as I watch Frances come in.  Once again with a
> little luck I am safe here in Galveston but concerned about you all!
>  
> Gerry

Jerry, tell your wife that 16 would make a great tender for a
houseboat!!! Maybe she'll buy it.

--- In com-pac@yahoogroups.com, JerryKelly@a... wrote:
> PLEASE!!
> Someone in Central Virginia- BUY THIS BOAT!!!!
> I need someone to sail with (all right, someone to teach me!!), and
my wife
> won't let me buy another Com-Pac until we get her houseboat.
> HELP!!!
>
> Cordially,
> Jerry Kelly
> Chester, VA (AKA Gaston's Puddle)
>
>
> In a message dated 8/31/2004 8:58:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> eeiland@c... writes:
>
> > 1978 Com-Pac 16 for sale.  I am the second owner of this fine
> > sailboat.  I have had it for over ten years, but due to work,
etc,
> > have sailed it very little.  It needs a new home.  It is in very
> > nice shape.  The hull is sound. It has three sails - jib, main,
> > genoa. I painted the bottom last year.  The trailer has brand new
> > tires and winch.  I'm asking $1900 or best offer.  The boat is
> > located about 30 miles south of Washington, DC.
> > Thank you,
> > Earl Eiland eeiland@c...
> >

Thanks Tom- I know the area well. My mom lives on San
Juan Island. I love it.
My son also lives in Florida so I'm always running
back and forth.
I'll check out the site. I'm looking for a quality
instructor and boat. Scenery is a bonus though.
Thanks for help.
Chip
--- thkeheley <keheley@...> wrote:

> --- In com-pac@yahoogroups.com, c brooks
> <chipbrooks_47@y...> wrote:
> > Anyone out there have any recommendations or
> > experiences on a good place to take this class?
> > I'm in Missouri but I'd like to take it on the
> coast
> > somewhere.
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Chip
> > CP16 1822  "Showme'urs"
> You didn't say which coast.  I just finished up to
> the level 4
> certification.  If you check with Anacortes Yacht
> Charters
> (Anacortes, WA), they have a learn and sail program
> , so that you can
> it it all in a week.  The sailing is in the SanJuan
> Islands, which is
> absolutely beautiful.  The water is deep, but
> somewhat sheltered.
> The weather is fairly good and there is plenty of
> wildlife - seals,
> whales, eagles, etc.   They have nice boats that
> they keep in good
> shape. Check out there web site, just search on
> Google.
>
> TomK
> Linda Lee CP-27
>
>




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WE ARE MOVING OUR CP19 BETWEEN TWO HOUSES AND STRAPPING IT DOWN TO
THE DRIVEWAY WITH HEAVYDUTY STRAPS. I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THE
FLYING DEBRIS(ROOF TILES AND SINGLES)BUT WHAT ELSE CAN I DO BUT HOPE
FOR THE BEST.GOOD LUCK TO ALL!
ROLANDO AND
PATTY
  S/V PATRICIA CP19/2 IN
MIAMI,FL
      -- In com-pac@yahoogroups.com, "Richard
Glenn" <rbglenn2001@e...> wrote:
> as if charley weren't enough to put a damper on sailing down here
in
> florida...here comes frances....
>
> our 19 is still on the trailer in a safe (?) place ... at least
this time
> we'll be off on the monday after the hurricane...and all the
surfers along
> the atlantic coast are loving it...
>
> everybody got their boats in a safe place?
>
> dick glenn
> rockledge, florida

Sounds pretty secure, Guys. You just might buy 2 or 3 8x12-foot polly tarps
and with a couple packs of WalMart quarter or half inch rope, wrap those
babies like a cacoon around your hull and rigging.  Might avoid things like
gel coat scrapes and scratches from flying debris. An old mattress or two
under those wraps might not hurt either if such are available. And if you
are close to the coast, run a line from your boat to a door-knob in case of
floods.

Good luck. I think you'll do fine. Frances may veer one way or the other and
minimize its winds there. We'll all say a few words for you.
all best,
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----- Original Message -----
From: "poseidon1955" <poseidon55@...>
To: <com-pac@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 4:16 PM
Subject: [com-pac] Re: frances...


> WE ARE MOVING OUR CP19 BETWEEN TWO HOUSES AND STRAPPING IT DOWN TO
> THE DRIVEWAY WITH HEAVYDUTY STRAPS. I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THE
> FLYING DEBRIS(ROOF TILES AND SINGLES)BUT WHAT ELSE CAN I DO BUT HOPE
> FOR THE BEST.GOOD LUCK TO ALL!
> ROLANDO AND
> PATTY
>  S/V PATRICIA CP19/2 IN
> MIAMI,FL
>      -- In com-pac@yahoogroups.com, "Richard
> Glenn" <rbglenn2001@e...> wrote:
> > as if charley weren't enough to put a damper on sailing down here
> in
> > florida...here comes frances....
> >
> > our 19 is still on the trailer in a safe (?) place ... at least
> this time
> > we'll be off on the monday after the hurricane...and all the
> surfers along
> > the atlantic coast are loving it...
> >
> > everybody got their boats in a safe place?
> >
> > dick glenn
> > rockledge, florida
>
>
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I took it earlier this year at the Blue Water Sailing
School in Ft. Lauderdale (www.bwss.com).

I highly recomend it.

Erico
CP-23 "Catatao"


--- c brooks <chipbrooks_47@...> wrote:

> Anyone out there have any recommendations or
> experiences on a good place to take this class?
> I'm in Missouri but I'd like to take it on the coast
> somewhere.
> Thanks in advance
>
> Chip
> CP16 1822  "Showme'urs"
>
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I slapped this page together to show the pressure ridges and troughs
which will steer tropical storms, including this one. Good luck to all
in its path, which may, regrettably, include myself...

http://liquid-epiphany.com/ps.html

Kurt CP23D "Epiphany"
liquid-epiphany.com
com-pacowners.com

Thanks Kurt, some chart. Is that another storm lurking off Africa?
Oh my. Good luck and God speed.

Steve

--- In com-pac@yahoogroups.com, "cp23epiphany" <cp23epiphany@y...>
wrote:
> I slapped this page together to show the pressure ridges and troughs
> which will steer tropical storms, including this one. Good luck to
all
> in its path, which may, regrettably, include myself...
>
> http://liquid-epiphany.com/ps.html
>
> Kurt CP23D "Epiphany"
> liquid-epiphany.com
> com-pacowners.com

I'll sure be thinking about you guys down there... it's kind of amazing how much
more
personally I take news of this sort since being on this site and getting to know
y'all.  I just
really hope that everyone stays safe.... prayers and thoughts are with you.

Keith

--- In com-pac@yahoogroups.com, "cp23epiphany" <cp23epiphany@y...> wrote:
> I slapped this page together to show the pressure ridges and troughs
> which will steer tropical storms, including this one. Good luck to all
> in its path, which may, regrettably, include myself...
>
> http://liquid-epiphany.com/ps.html
>
> Kurt CP23D "Epiphany"
> liquid-epiphany.com
> com-pacowners.com

To all those in the path of the storm...  Be safe.  Things can be
replaced, you can't!

Craig

On Wednesday, September 1, 2004, at 10:25 PM, cp23epiphany wrote:

> I slapped this page together to show the pressure ridges and troughs
> which will steer tropical storms, including this one. Good luck to all
> in its path, which may, regrettably, include myself...
>
> http://liquid-epiphany.com/ps.html
>
> Kurt CP23D "Epiphany"
> liquid-epiphany.com
> com-pacowners.com

My cp-16 "hunts" on her anchor, and I'm wondering what I can do to stop it.
By "hunt" I mean that when I set the hook and pay out the appropriate scope,
the boat has a tendency to wag to port and starboard behind her anchor.  Am
I doing something wrong here?  Not enough scope?  I typically anchor with
the rudder down and the tiller loose - should I be tying off the tiller?  (I
would think this would increase the likelihood of the boat to sail at
anchor.)  Should I raise the rudder?   Or is this just normal given the
increased windage of a sailboat over the smaller powerboats I'm used to
anchoring?



Bill Swart

1984 CP-16 "Grace Period"

Sioux Falls, SD

http://faculty.augie.edu/~swart/GracePeriod.html



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Hi Bill -

Epiphany does that at times, too. If it's enough to be bothering me,
lashing the tiller over usually works to stop or slow it. Sometimes
all the way over, sometimes just a bit. Putting up the bimini usually
helps her weathervane better, and some folks use a "riding sail" to
stop the hunting. One other technique: at one end of your swing, drop
an anchor and all the chain attached to it on that spot, and snub it
off short.

Kurt CP23D "Epiphany"
liquid-epiphany.com
com-pacowners.com

In message <!~!AAAAAIbko3IAVidGuojFcBIgwGukgSAA@...>
William_Swart@... writes:
>
>
> My cp-16 "hunts" on her anchor, and I'm wondering what I can do to stop it.
> By "hunt" I mean that when I set the hook and pay out the appropriate scope,
> the boat has a tendency to wag to port and starboard behind her anchor.  Am
> I doing something wrong here?  Not enough scope?  I typically anchor with
> the rudder down and the tiller loose - should I be tying off the tiller?  (I
> would think this would increase the likelihood of the boat to sail at
> anchor.)  Should I raise the rudder?   Or is this just normal given the
> increased windage of a sailboat over the smaller powerboats I'm used to
> anchoring?
>
>
>
> Bill Swart
>
> 1984 CP-16 "Grace Period"
>
> Sioux Falls, SD
>
> http://faculty.augie.edu/~swart/GracePeriod.html


Bill,

Boats dance the most at anchor when there is windage forward and drag
aft.  Try raising the rudder.  If that doesn't work, then see if you
can put a small riding sail on the backstay.

Curtis

Kurt,

      You have had way too much hurricane preparedness training this year.  Good
luck to you and Epiphany for yet again, another go round.

      I remember a few years ago several trip from G'ville to C'ston to tie my
Tartan down.  Those trips never fit into the planning schdule but they are
definitely "gotta do's".

Take care, good luck,

JT

JT
>
> From: Craig Maven <craigm@...>
> Date: 2004/09/02 Thu PM 12:34:25 GMT
> To: com-pac@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [com-pac] Re: frances...
>
> To all those in the path of the storm...  Be safe.  Things can be
> replaced, you can't!
>
> Craig
>
> On Wednesday, September 1, 2004, at 10:25 PM, cp23epiphany wrote:
>
> > I slapped this page together to show the pressure ridges and troughs
> > which will steer tropical storms, including this one. Good luck to all
> > in its path, which may, regrettably, include myself...
> >
> > http://liquid-epiphany.com/ps.html
> >
> > Kurt CP23D "Epiphany"
> > liquid-epiphany.com
> > com-pacowners.com
>
>

Dear list,

Through some advice and looking at pictures, I realized that I had not been
running my genoa sheets the best way on my 1983 CP19.

Previously, I had the sail connected directly to the bow and ran the sheets
between the spars, through the eye-holes and to the cleats.  Now I've added
an extension to get the sail up the to the level of the safety rails (and to
the top of the mast), and run the sheets outside the rails to the blocks on
tracks, then up to the winches and on to a set of new cam cleats I installed.

After only being out a few times though, a couple in strong wind, I've noticed
that where the sheets rub over the fiberglass, they have worn away relatively
significant grooves.  This obviously can't continue, or pretty soon they'll
wear right through the deck.  What do you folks do to prevent this?

Thanks,

Michael Hrivnak

A small sail off the boat's stern will help but you don't have a mizzen mast and
if memeory serves me right, a backstay to rig a sail to.  Maybe a secure boom
and topping lift could be rigged to raise a small sail.

JT
>
> From: <William_Swart@...>
> Date: 2004/09/02 Thu PM 02:09:36 GMT
> To: <com-pac@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [com-pac] Anchoring question
>
>

Thanks, JT!

I may be lucking out this time, where others are not so fortunate. If
this high pressure system holds over top of us, it'll steer the storm
over Florida, like the models are now predicting. Wish I could share
the high, and drape some of it down over those Florida folks, to keep
Frances safely out at sea... :/

Kurt CP23D "Epiphany"


--- In com-pac@yahoogroups.com, <gunsblazing@c...> wrote:
>      You have had way too much hurricane preparedness training this
year.  Good luck to you and Epiphany for yet again, another go round.
>
>      I remember a few years ago several trip from G'ville to C'ston
to tie my Tartan down.  Those trips never fit into the planning
schdule but they are definitely "gotta do's".

--- In com-pac@yahoogroups.com, <gunsblazing@c...> wrote:
> A small sail off the boat's stern will help but you don't have a
> mizzen mast and if memeory serves me right, a backstay to rig a sail
> to.  Maybe a secure boom and topping lift could be rigged to raise a
> small sail.

Or maybe a BIG kite flown from an aft corner. ;)

One other idea, Bill. Run a line from a stern cleat outside of your
stanchions, and snub it to the anchor rode. Let out a little more
rode, until your boat is balanced between the two lines, somewhat
sideways to the wind. I haven't tried this, but with some fiddlin', I
think it would work.

Kurt CP23D "Epiphany"

----- Original Message -----

From: William_Swart@...

To: com-pac@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:09 AM

Subject: [com-pac] Anchoring question

My cp-16 "hunts" on her anchor, and I'm wondering what I can do to stop it.
By "hunt" I mean that when I set the hook and pay out the appropriate scope,
the boat has a tendency to wag to port and starboard behind her anchor.  Am
I doing something wrong here?  Not enough scope?  I typically anchor with
the rudder down and the tiller loose - should I be tying off the tiller?  (I
would think this would increase the likelihood of the boat to sail at
anchor.)  Should I raise the rudder?   Or is this just normal given the
increased windage of a sailboat over the smaller powerboats I'm used to
anchoring?



Bill Swart

1984 CP-16 "Grace Period"

Sioux Falls, SD

http://faculty.augie.edu/~swart/GracePeriod.html



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Here is a great Catalina 22 Owner's Website with lots of ideas that
could be used on many other manufacturers and sizes of Sailboats.

http://www.slowflight.net/upgrades/index.html

I'm sure if you visit the site you will be impressed as I was and
walk away with some great ideas.

Bob Macks
Very Spoiled CP16

Nice chart, Kurt, but why are all those arrows pointing right at ME?  Is
Mother Nature trying to tell me something? I may craw under the mattress and
overturned bathtub early just in case.
-Bob

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----- Original Message -----
From: "cp23epiphany" <cp23epiphany@...>
To: <com-pac@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 11:25 PM
Subject: [com-pac] Re: frances...


> I slapped this page together to show the pressure ridges and troughs
> which will steer tropical storms, including this one. Good luck to all
> in its path, which may, regrettably, include myself...
>
> http://liquid-epiphany.com/ps.html
>
> Kurt CP23D "Epiphany"
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> com-pacowners.com
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