I haven't received the digests 290-293 and for some reason the
digests aren't here in the Onelist netsite to read. Onelist never
answers my complaining.

Nata

andrew wrote:

> It's a national holiday for
> the Kemrese, so people take the day off, raise flags, get out and do
> things, and pointedly do not eat leeks.

They do however *wear* leek sprigs in their new caps.  A good way to
get beaten up by the local Cas Nustr gang is to meet a Comro and
"bid him eat his leek".

--

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Und trank die Milch vom Paradies.            -- Coleridge (tr. Politzer)

Am 03/01 12:59  John Cowan yscrifef:
> From: John Cowan <jcowan@...>
>

> They do however *wear* leek sprigs in their new caps.  A good way to
> get beaten up by the local Cas Nustr gang is to meet a Comro and
> "bid him eat his leek".
>
That would explain the line of _Llo Simpson_ last night: Manug mew por!
:)

- andrew.
--
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                        Resistance is irrelevant.
                                       - The Borg

                It is not irrelevant, it's a hippotamus.
                                       - Flanders and Swann

andrew wrote:

> That would explain the line of _Llo Simpson_ last night: Manug mew por!
> :)

COL (chuckling out loud).

BTW, it may be too late to fix it, but why is it "Cos Nustr" instead of
"Lla Chos Nustr"?  After all, its Silician analogue is "La Cosa Nostra".

--

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On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, John Cowan wrote:

>BTW, it may be too late to fix it, but why is it "Cos Nustr" instead of
>"Lla Chos Nustr"?  After all, its Silician analogue is "La Cosa Nostra".

That's a good question! I can't even remember how the topic got
started anymore; but I simply assumed that Andrew Knew What He Was
Doing. :) The Kernow variety has always had the article, in the half
dozen or so political slogans I have recorded: "y Chois Nustoer",
though why it's plural defies easy explanation.

As for being too late to fix: I don't think it has become too embedded
in the language to change. The word shows up a couple of times in the
Page, and I have a short article on CN somewhere but it shouldn't be
too hard to fix. It'll only be hard to remember to say "La Chos" in
stead of "Cos"! This, should it be deemed needfull of change.

Padraic.

>
>--
>
>Schlingt dreifach einen Kreis vom dies! || John Cowan
<jcowan@...>
>Schliesst euer Aug vor heiliger Schau,  || http://www.reutershealth.com
>Denn er genoss vom Honig-Tau,           || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan
>Und trank die Milch vom Paradies.            -- Coleridge (tr. Politzer)

Am 03/02 09:57  John Cowan yscrifef:
> From: John Cowan <jcowan@...>
>

> BTW, it may be too late to fix it, but why is it "Cos Nustr" instead of
> "Lla Chos Nustr"?  After all, its Silician analogue is "La Cosa Nostra".
>
Obviously from an uncertainty about changing articles from two different
languages.  It should be easy to change to talking about "Lla Gos
Nustr".

- andrew.
--
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                        Resistance is irrelevant.
                                       - The Borg

                It is not irrelevant, it's a hippotamus.
                                       - Flanders and Swann

andrew wrote:

> Obviously from an uncertainty about changing articles from two different
> languages.  It should be easy to change to talking about "Lla Gos
> Nustr".

Oops.  Yes, of course, lla gos, llo chos.  We want the former.

--

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Heck, I live in Alaska, and find you all a bit odd anyways (Grin).

I do find that Canada has some interesting cultures in it, many that are
not found normally in the US, other than maybe Alaska, or some areas of
the US.. Inuits for one..

Mike
Crazy Gusiq.

In a message dated 3/8/00 6:33:40 AM Central Standard Time, abrigon@...
writes:

<< I do find that Canada has some interesting cultures in it >>
But there are cultural differences dictated by levels in technology -- that
is, persons with nonindustrial technologies who live in the arctic must
necessarily have very different cultures from those on the equator, while
those with a very advanced technology can maintain much the same lifestyle in
either place -- and those dictated by more human or personal factors. By this
last, I mean that advanced technologies that free people from direct
dependance on so-called "nature" have the freedom to develop cultures and
lifestyles based on something besides sheer survival: personal inclinations
that otherwise have to be marginalized, for instance, or possibilities that
are simple logical or other possibilities of basic ideas that cannot be
indulged when survival is difficult.

automort@... wrote:
> I mean that advanced technologies that free people from direct
> dependance on so-called "nature" have the freedom to develop cultures and
> lifestyles based on something besides sheer survival

But every culture, low-tech or high-tech, bases their culture on
something other than sheer survival.  If survival was the only factor,
then there wouldn't be any differences between cultures living in the
same environment!  In fact, many cultures, even low-tech, actually
ignore survival factors in certain situations, such as fasting in many
cultures, or the tendency of people to ignore their sleep needs in ours.

And even our culture is still influenced by culture - that's why so many
Northerners and Canadians ("Snowbirds") come down here (Florida) in the
winter!  :-)

--
"If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can
satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another
world."                                 -- C. S. Lewis

Well, I discovered one saying among the Fincaiyan populace:
"L'heure, c,a existe juste fois" (I think is the Fincaiyan for it) (c,
is a c cedilla)
meaning:
"Time only happens once" or "Reality only happens once"
It is said mainly to people who go too much into their wishes and "what
if"s...such things as "If only I hadn't said..." can get this as a
response. This fits into the general Fincaiyan idea that the past is
dead and gone, and not worth mulling over, nor are dreams and wishes.
Live your life now in the present, don't worry about what happened, and
don't worry about the future..let things happen.

What would your all's concultures think of this/ what's their opinion on
this? Do they tend to dwell on the past a lot, or do they prefer to stay
with current moment, or does it depend on the person?

-Axiem
-axiem@...

In a message dated 3/8/00 3:44:41 PM Central Standard Time, fortytwo@...
writes:

<< every culture, low-tech or high-tech, bases their culture on
  something other than sheer survival. >>
This is true, but one that produces such an abundance of food and has an
enormous repertory of arts and freedom of movement allows for more freedom
from survival. Chimpanzees have different cultures, and likely not everything
is based on survival: som may be based on mimicing nature or prominent
individuals.

Hi!
After a long time, i finally was able to get back onto Conculture.
So i'm here.
What's up?


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Am 03/08 21:21  Steg Belsky yscrifef:
> From: Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...>
>
> Hi!
> After a long time, i finally was able to get back onto Conculture.
> So i'm here.
Bengwenid, as the Chomro say, and Benlligad too!

> What's up?
>
At the moment I think the most vigorous concultural discussion is the
North American history thread on Conlang.  Wierd, I keep wondering why
it is going on there.

To trigger off a thread, a friend was watching Fremen my cat one day and
suggested that an intelligent species could have manipulative digits
based on such claws.  I imagine such a creature would have very short
thick fingers which extend gripping claws of the same length when
flexed.  Suggestions on how such a creature would use these claws for
practical purposes, and how it would effect a language and culture would
be welcome as I have a race of clients who have been waiting to be
uplifted and shown how to do it.

- andrew.
--
Andrew Smith, Intheologus 		 hobbit@...

                        Resistance is irrelevant.
                                       - The Borg

                It is not irrelevant, it's a hippotamus.
                                       - Flanders and Swann

In a message dated 3/8/00 10:02:10 PM Central Standard Time,
hobbit@... writes:

<< Suggestions on how such a creature would use these claws for
  practical purposes, and how it would effect a language and culture would
  be welcome as I have a race of clients who have been waiting to be
  uplifted and shown how to do it.
   >>
If the claws aren't retractible they'd have to use gloves, maybe with
different kinds of fingers. More primitive cultures might cover their hands
with animal skins to perform certain tasks.
It's possible to imagine metaphors based on this. "Cover your hands" might
mean to speak politely or handle something gently. "Put on your ______
gloves" could refer to preparing for certain tasks literally and
metaphorically.

conculture@onelist.com writes:
>At the moment I think the most vigorous concultural discussion is the
>North American history thread on Conlang.  Wierd, I keep wondering why
>it is going on there.

Exactly what I was wondering. I did suggest it move offlist (indirectly)
but nooooo they wouldn't listen to me =).

Anyway steg, not too much is going on. I myself have been a little too
busy doing classwork to work on my langs or cultures (i have yet to
prepare my materials for my part of the discussion I have to facilitate
for one of my classes later on today).

Oh, a kind of conculture related thought: I was watching a show called
"Gundam Wing" (Japanese animation) . It has a lot of interesting
concultural stuff behind it, like an invented but very well thought out
type of physics called "Minovsky physics", where they have things like
mega particles, and energy lattices for things (go to
www.gundamproject.com for details).

The creators also have the story line set up as earth against the space
colonies, and vice versa, which are located around the earth in
spacestations located at the Lagrange points. The site I posted has a
wealth of information. I think those of you into future conworlds would
find it interesting.

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Vazu Namaf!

I just read an interesting little book of Finnish folk music. It says
that even in the beginning of 20th century all poor Finnish people
composed and made lyrics for songs. They learned to do it when they
learned to speak! The tunes varied all the time; it was not important
if the song wasn't sung in the same tune every time. I understood
that the situation is still the same in the places on Earth where
people do not write things down.

The funny thing is that I have always thought that my Tigers are
singing all the time... now it seems that is only normal-)

Nata

andrew wrote:
> To trigger off a thread, a friend was watching Fremen my cat one day

Does he have all-blue eyes?  :-)

> suggested that an intelligent species could have manipulative digits
> based on such claws.

Hmm, it would be rather hard to use *claws* to work with soft materials,
methinks.

>                        Resistance is irrelevant.
>                                       - The Borg

Actually, it's "Resistance is futile", full quote "We are Borg.   You
will be assimilated.  Resistance is futile"

Hmmm .... translations?  :-)

Sabúlganiv.  Nailuyanásfin.  Safilnaidálva watimalilá.
Sa-bu'lga-ni-v. Nai-luyana's-fin   Sa-filnaida'-l-va    wa-timali-la'.
Be-borg-we-hab  Fut-assimilate-you be-useless-3SIrr-hab G6-resist-abstr

--
"If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can
satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another
world."                                 -- C. S. Lewis
24 Wafsafíif watyánivaf plal 273

Yesterday was a Mourning Day among the Kassí, commemorating the Death of
the Prophetess, who was murdered by one of her followers.

--
"If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can
satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another
world."                                 -- C. S. Lewis
24 Wafsafíif watyánivaf plal 273

<<"L'heure, c,a existe juste fois">>

That looks a lot like French. Is it based on it??? :)
Oh, if you have Windows, you can make a cedilla by pressing alt+0231.
I'm assuming you mean this: ç... so you could have it like that. Well,
just thought I'd share that! Bye!

=====
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Am 03/09 13:33  Nik Taylor yscrifef:
> From: Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...>
>
> andrew wrote:
> > To trigger off a thread, a friend was watching Fremen my cat one day
>
> Does he have all-blue eyes?  :-)
>
She has green eyes, I'm afraid.  But it's a name I always wanted to give
a cat since I saw blue-eyed cats after reading the Dune books.


> Hmm, it would be rather hard to use *claws* to work with soft materials,
> methinks.
>
That would be one limitation.  They are meant to be retractable like a
cat's.  Their fingers would be thicker than a humans to enclose them
when they are sheathed especially in the first knuckle.  I imagine when
they flex their fingers the claws are extended to curve arouund an
object allowing for extra grip.  This would be useful for thick objects
but create difficulty with fine objects.  Imagine using a pen with that
impediment - I don't know how they would manage.  They could pick up
small fine objects in a similar fashion as using chopsticks, but they
lose some sensation of tactility with it.  It may work but I will have
to give it more thought.

> >                        Resistance is irrelevant.
> >                                       - The Borg
>
> Actually, it's "Resistance is futile", full quote "We are Borg.   You
> will be assimilated.  Resistance is futile"
>
Now that I give that quote more thought I realise that you are correct,
although I have always considered the original was "RESISTANCE IS
USELESS" as trademarked by Daleks and parodied by the Vogons.  Which is
why I suspect the Borg avoid it.  There are only a few things more
deadly than the Klingon as he is spoken by Paramount and one of those I
suspect is the BBC, better to let that beast sleep.

Pity really, the merciless conformity of the Borg being beaten back by a
chorus of the Hippopotamus Song rather appealed to me.


- andrew.
--
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                        Resistance is irrelevant.
                                       - The Borg

                It is not irrelevant, it's a hippotamus.
                                       - Flanders and Swann

Am 03/09 13:43  Nik Taylor yscrifef:
> From: Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...>
>
> Yesterday was a Mourning Day among the Kassí, commemorating the Death of
> the Prophetess, who was murdered by one of her followers.
>
Tuesday 7 March was also a public holiday among the Chomro, Marth Inid,
the beginning of Lent.  People like to party on that day.  All the bells
are rung at midday.  And most importantly a national Rugby game is
always scheduled for Marth Inid.  Nothing is allowed to clash with that!

- andrew.
--
Andrew Smith, Intheologus 		 hobbit@...

                        Resistance is irrelevant.
                                       - The Borg

                It is not irrelevant, it's a hippotamus.
                                       - Flanders and Swann

On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:08:53 +1300 andrew <hobbit@...>
writes:
> Am 03/09 13:43  Nik Taylor yscrifef:
> > Yesterday was a Mourning Day among the Kassí, commemorating the
> Death of
> > the Prophetess, who was murdered by one of her followers.

> Tuesday 7 March was also a public holiday among the Chomro, Marth
> Inid,
> the beginning of Lent.  People like to party on that day.  All the
> bells
> are rung at midday.  And most importantly a national Rugby game is
> always scheduled for Marth Inid.  Nothing is allowed to clash with
> that!
> - andrew.
> --
> Andrew Smith, Intheologus
.

Well, it's not a real holiday (not yet, anyway!)
Hmm...maybe it should be.
Okay, it *is* a holiday!

A few days ago, lasting from sunrise march 8th until sunrise march 9th
was the first day of the Rokbeigalmki month _Maanaur_.

Let's see...if the Rokbeigalmki New Year (day after the winter solstice)
is called:
DzuwáúrgDafálRi.hláóSemóz-a / Dzu''Fa''Ri for short (the Festival of the
Widening of the Circle of the Sun)

then i guess the First of the Month (day after the new moon) would be
called something like:
DzuwáúrgVíhtJoulááMefíhs-a / Dzu''Vih''Jou for short,
"the Festival of the Appearance of the Curve of the Moon"


-Stephen (Steg)
  mefsaz sudtub!  (a beneficial [this] month!)

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During a (pretty tiring) photo history lecture
my thoughts wandered a bit...

Have your people developed photography, or anything like it? How did it happen?
What beliefs are connected to it? What materials do
they use?

My Hleiangnas have not... for they haven't even reached that stage of the
understanding of chemistry and stuff that it would be possible
it to happen in the same way that in here... But I'm working on a way...

And since the faerie live in *this* Earth, in *this* timeline... I of course
have a few individuals who have done photoghraphy ever
since it was developed, and have pretty
interesting collections by now:)

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On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, andrew wrote:

>That would be one limitation.  They are meant to be retractable like a
>cat's.

Well, "The Gods have retractible claws" comes immediately to mind. :)

> Their fingers would be thicker than a humans to enclose them
>when they are sheathed especially in the first knuckle.  I imagine when
>they flex their fingers the claws are extended to curve arouund an
>object allowing for extra grip.

That would be excellent for wood, bone, leather and to some extent
stone. Just watch a cat slip and scrabble about on smooth surfaces
and it'll become apparent that metal, ceramics and highly polished
surfaces won't be any easier to grasp.

> This would be useful for thick objects but create difficulty with
>fine objects.  Imagine using a pen with that impediment - I don't
>know how they would manage.

They must make use of pens designed slightly differently - if they
write at all. I've seen pens apparently designed for arthritis
sufferers (who might have trouble grasping such a fine tool as a
pen) which is a kind of oblong (and contoured) loop of metal to
which is attached the lower end of a pen. One simply sticks one's
finger through the loop and secures the grip with the thumb. A
similar design could've been adapted by them.

Padraic.

>- andrew.

Henriikka Julkunen wrote:

> During a (pretty tiring) photo history lecture
> my thoughts wandered a bit...
>
> Have your people developed photography, or anything like it? How did it
happen? What beliefs are connected to it? What materials do
> they use?

Since the Arvorec live in a earth which for all intents and purposes has the
same technology as here, they have photography. It's a bit recent for them
to have any superstions attatched to photography itself, but they attatch to
photo-portraits the same superstitions as painted portraits. It is bad luck
to turn someone's portrait to the wall (even worse luck if the person is
dead- you get the bad luck), portraits of dead loved ones are always placed
"so they can see what's going on" and generally a picture of Jesus (or a
saint) is hung either opposite or near a pront door (this is a painting
superstion, it's hard to get photos of Jesus...).

Dan

andrew <hobbit@...> wrote:
>
> Tuesday 7 March was also a public holiday among the Chomro, Marth Inid,

     When I first read this I didn't note the exact date and read:

> the beginning of Lent.  People like to party on that day.

and thought, "How odd!  Are they Satanists?".  Then I noticed that you
weren't, in fact, refering to Ash Wednesday, which is the beginning of Lent,
but Shrove Tuesday, the day before Lent, which is, indeed, a holiday in many
cultures.

============================================================================

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                   http://www.connix.com/~dennis/dennis.htm

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brain, begot of nothing but vain fantasy; which is as thin of substance as
the air."                      - Romeo & Juliet, Act I Scene iv Verse 96-99

>From: andrew <hobbit@...>
>Am 03/09 13:33  Nik Taylor yscrifef:
> > From: Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...>
> >
> > andrew wrote:
> > > To trigger off a thread, a friend was watching Fremen my cat one day
> >
> > Does he have all-blue eyes?  :-)
> >
>She has green eyes, I'm afraid.  But it's a name I always wanted to give
>a cat since I saw blue-eyed cats after reading the Dune books.
>
>
> > Hmm, it would be rather hard to use *claws* to work with soft materials,
> > methinks.
> >
>That would be one limitation.  They are meant to be retractable like a
>cat's.  Their fingers would be thicker than a humans to enclose them
>when they are sheathed especially in the first knuckle.  I imagine when
>they flex their fingers the claws are extended to curve arouund an
>object allowing for extra grip.  This would be useful for thick objects
>but create difficulty with fine objects.  Imagine using a pen with that
>impediment - I don't know how they would manage.

They could use their claws to make impression in clay, scratch wood
or (with metal sheath protecting the claws) metal, or use them as
pens (dipping them into ink and writting)

>They could pick up small fine objects in a similar fashion as using
>chopsticks, but they
>lose some sensation of tactility with it.  It may work but I will have
>to give it more thought.

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Shifting over from celticonlang, the following is a list of every
coin and note of the Federated Kingdom that I can think of.

COINS:

Ecus:

	 1ecu = 1440d, or £6 (Kemr, Dunein, Lundy)
	 1/2 ecu = 720d, or £3 (Kemr, Dunein, Lundy)
	 1/3 ecu = 480d, or £2 (Kemr, Dunein, Lundy)

Guineas and Sovereigns:

	 1 guinea = 252d, or 21/- (England)
	 1/2 guinea = 126d, or 10/6 (England)
	 1/3 guinea = 84d, or 7/- (England)
	 1/4 guinea = 63d, or 5/3 (England)
	 1/6 guinea = 42d, or 3/6 (England)

	 1 sovn. = 240d (Kemr, England, Scotland)
	 1/2 sovn. = 120d, or 10/- (Kemr, England, Scotland)
	 1/4 sovn. = 60d, or 5/- (Kemr, England, Scotland)

Shillings:

	 12/- = 144d, or e0.10 (tenth ecu) (Dunein, Lundy)
	 10/- = 120d, or £0.50 (half pound) (Kemr, England, Scotland)
	 6/- = 72d, or e0.05 (twentieth ecu) (Dunein, Lundy)
	 5/- = 60d, or £0.25 (quarter pound) (Kemr, England, Scotland,
		 Dunein)
	 3/- = 36d, or e0.025 (fortieth ecu) (Dunein, Lundy)
	 2/6 = 30d, or £0.125 (eighth pound) (Kemr, England, Scotland,
		 Dunein)
	 1/3 = 15d, or £0.0625 (sixteenth pound) (Kemr, Dunein)
	 1/- = 12d, or £0.05 (twentieth pound) (Kemr, England,
		 Scotland, Dunein, Lundy, Scillies)

Pennies:

	 9d = 1/28 guinea, or 1/160 ecu (Lundy, Scillies)
	 8d = 1/30 pound, a "Duronian shilling" (Dunein)
	 7d = 1/36 guinea (Dunein)
	 6d = 1/2 shilling, or 1/40 pound, or 1/42 guinea (Kemr,
		 England, Scotland, Dunein, Lundy, Scillies)
	 4d = 1/3 shilling, or 1/60 pound (England)
	 3d = 1/4 shilling, or 1/80 pound (Kemr, England, Scotland)
	 2d = 1/8 shilling (England)
	 1d = 8 doubles, or 4 farthings (Kemr, England, Scotland,
		 Dunein, Lundy, Scillies)
	 1/2d = 4 doubles, or 2 farthings (Kemr, England, Scotland,
		 Dunein, Lundy, Scillies)
	 1/4d = 2 doubles, or 1 farthing (England, Scotland, Dunein)
	 1/8d = 1 double, or ½ farthing (Dunein)
	 1/12d = 1/3 farthing (Colonies)
	 1/16d = 1/4 farthing (Colonies)

BANK NOTES:

Ecus:

	 e40000 (Lundy)
	 e40 (Dunein)
	 e20 (Dunein, Lundy)
	 e10 (Dunein, Lundy)
	 e2 (Dunein, Lundy, Scillies)
	 e1 (Dunein, Lundy, Scillies)

Sovereigns:

	 £100000 (FK)
	 £50000 (FK)
	 £20000 (FK)
	 £10000 (FK, England, Kemr)
	 £5000 (FK, England, Kemr)
	 £2000 (FK, Kemr)
	 £1000 (FK, England, Kemr, Scotland)
	 £500 (England, Kemr, Scotland)
	 £100 (England, Kemr, Scotland)
	 £50 (England, Kemr, Scotland)
	 £20 (England, Kemr, Scotland)
	 £10 (England, Kemr, Scotland)
	 £5 (England, Kemr, Scotland, Dunein)

Shillings:

	 20/- (Dunein, Lundy (recalled))
	 5/- (Kemr, England, Dunein, Lundy (recalled))
	 4/- (Dunein, Lundy (recalled))
	 1/- (Kemr, England, Dunein, Lundy (recalled))


Padraic.