... Randy C: The fundamental "dogma" of science is that all scientific hypotheses must be testable and potentially falsifiable. That's it. There is NO dogma...
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VictorM
ptolemy1022
May 5, 2012 7:55 am
... This is why the Bible will certainly triumph over science. It predicts the very idea you are using to contrive your methods. You cannot measure physical...
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Katherine Trammell
katherinetra...
May 5, 2012 11:21 am
2 + 2 =s 4....is not a subjective, arbitrary "belief" system. Any scientist that interjects either religion or his/her personal ideology loses all respect from...
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Katherine Trammell
katherinetra...
May 5, 2012 11:36 am
Victor: How is 2 + 2 =s 4...flawed at the Foundational Level? I can't wait for you to answer, or ignore this one. All science is based on foundational facts...
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Katherine Trammell
katherinetra...
May 5, 2012 12:05 pm
Victor: How can you question 2 + 2 =s 4? How?  "The social theory of ethics substitutes "society" for God-and although it claims that its chief concern is...
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Katherine Trammell
katherinetra...
May 5, 2012 12:24 pm
What does Victor really want?:Â Victor wants: 1) science to state, no matter what it is...that GOD DID IT. 2) science to take a back seat to religion, and...
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Randy C
carumba17
May 5, 2012 1:33 pm
... Randy C: OF COURSE YOU CAN!! Time is continually changing. Yet we can measure time with great precision. The precision is better than a single second in...
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VictorM
ptolemy1022
May 5, 2012 4:54 pm
... Why are you trying to skirt the issue? Don't you see that 2 atoms plus 2 atoms = four atoms even if the atoms are always changing themselves. Can't you see...
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Dave Oldridge
doldridg
May 5, 2012 4:58 pm
--On Saturday, May 05, 2012 7:55 AM +0000 VictorM <godsriddle@...> ... If matter changed the way YOU claim it does, we would see the change. But we...
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Randy C
carumba17
May 5, 2012 5:30 pm
... Randy C: But science allows for atoms to change themselves. Science has no problem accepting things like radioactivity. ... So what? Science relates in...
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VictorM
ptolemy1022
May 5, 2012 6:02 pm
... Yet we can see the past with instruments that record the light from hundreds of billions of galaxies. Not a single one of them clocks the frequencies of...
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VictorM
ptolemy1022
May 5, 2012 6:17 pm
... Radioactivity IS NOT RELATIONAL change. When something changes by radioactivity, it ceases to be what it was and becomes something else. When things change...
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Randy C
carumba17
May 5, 2012 9:12 pm
... Randy C: OF COURSE IT IS! They even measure it by taking ratios of the parent element to the daughter element(s). What's more relational than that? But,...
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VictorM
ptolemy1022
May 5, 2012 11:00 pm
... NEGATIVE. Radioactivity is DIFFERENTIAL change. When a radioactive event occurs in an atom, it changes. How do we know it changed. RELATIVE to other atoms...
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Randy C
carumba17
May 5, 2012 11:20 pm
... Randy C: We use mathematics. According to you that means that our measurements are flawed. ... Victor, obviously EVERYTHING you've said is simple ...
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Eric
opensipapu
May 6, 2012 12:39 am
... changeless. ... time) and thousands of measuring units - almost all of which are dependent on the notion that today's matter is the same as yesterdays. ......
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VictorM
ptolemy1022
May 6, 2012 2:05 am
... On the contrary, I agree with Solomon, the wisest man, that time has no existence. It is in our minds. You do not need a precision system for measuring...
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Randy C
carumba17
May 6, 2012 3:45 am
... Randy C: So Solomon also suffered from very serious delusions? I compare pictures of myself from 40 years ago with my image now and I see significant...
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VictorM
ptolemy1022
May 6, 2012 7:21 am
... Of course not. Relational change are visible. They are not easy to measure because their is no standard against which to measure them, except for light....
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Dave Oldridge
doldridg
May 6, 2012 9:50 am
--On Saturday, May 05, 2012 6:02 PM +0000 VictorM <godsriddle@...> ... On the contrary, we see the frequencies of modern atoms red-shifted. If the atoms...
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Dave Oldridge
doldridg
May 6, 2012 9:57 am
--On Sunday, May 06, 2012 7:21 AM +0000 VictorM <godsriddle@...> ... Actually, Victor, physically smaller atoms would generate shorter wavelengths, not...
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Randy C
carumba17
May 6, 2012 1:34 pm
... Randy C: Then time has an existence. Therefore both you and Solomon are seriously delusional. ... Some are apparently only visible to one person: you. Why...
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VictorM
ptolemy1022
May 7, 2012 7:10 am
... We cannot directly compare ancient atoms with modern ones in a lab. Yet we have some interesting patterns known as the Lyman, Balmer and Paschen series....
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Randy C
carumba17
May 7, 2012 12:44 pm
... Randy C: As is the case with EVERYTHING you say, this is nonsense. OF COURSE, science could invent a valid system of science where everything is always...
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Dave Oldridge
doldridg
May 7, 2012 2:39 pm
--On Monday, May 07, 2012 7:09 AM +0000 VictorM <godsriddle@...> ... All bilgewater. The fact is that we CAN compare ancient atoms with modern ones. We...
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VictorM
ptolemy1022
May 7, 2012 4:48 pm
... Bertrand Russell: "Science, like philosophy, has sought to escape from the doctrine of perpetual flux by finding some permanent substratum amid changing...
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Randy C
carumba17
May 7, 2012 5:09 pm
... Randy C: But that is not the issue. Instead YOU said that scientists couldn't construct a theory of the basis of everything always changing. They've...
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VictorM
ptolemy1022
May 7, 2012 5:10 pm
... Bilgewater! We see how atoms keep changing relationally throughout cosmic history. We see that the western concept of time, which is an important element...
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Randy C
carumba17
May 7, 2012 5:13 pm
... Randy C: NO! "WE" don't see any such thing. Only YOU see these things. Therefore Occam's Razor tells us that these things are nothing but delusions that...
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VictorM
ptolemy1022
May 8, 2012 6:00 am
... When you use a different first principle, your system of evidence changes. Michael Polanyi pointed out that the conceptual framework and the rules of...
