Victor: How is 2 + 2 =s 4...flawed at the Foundational Level? I can't wait for you to answer, or ignore this one. All science is based on foundational facts...
Victor: How can you question 2 + 2 =s 4? How?  "The social theory of ethics substitutes "society" for God-and although it claims that its chief concern is...
What does Victor really want?:Â Victor wants: 1) science to state, no matter what it is...that GOD DID IT. 2) science to take a back seat to religion, and...
... Randy C: OF COURSE YOU CAN!! Time is continually changing. Yet we can measure time with great precision. The precision is better than a single second in...
... Why are you trying to skirt the issue? Don't you see that 2 atoms plus 2 atoms = four atoms even if the atoms are always changing themselves. Can't you see...
... Randy C: But science allows for atoms to change themselves. Science has no problem accepting things like radioactivity. ... So what? Science relates in...
... Yet we can see the past with instruments that record the light from hundreds of billions of galaxies. Not a single one of them clocks the frequencies of...
... Radioactivity IS NOT RELATIONAL change. When something changes by radioactivity, it ceases to be what it was and becomes something else. When things change...
... Randy C: OF COURSE IT IS! They even measure it by taking ratios of the parent element to the daughter element(s). What's more relational than that? But,...
... NEGATIVE. Radioactivity is DIFFERENTIAL change. When a radioactive event occurs in an atom, it changes. How do we know it changed. RELATIVE to other atoms...
... Randy C: We use mathematics. According to you that means that our measurements are flawed. ... Victor, obviously EVERYTHING you've said is simple ...
... changeless. ... time) and thousands of measuring units - almost all of which are dependent on the notion that today's matter is the same as yesterdays. ......
... On the contrary, I agree with Solomon, the wisest man, that time has no existence. It is in our minds. You do not need a precision system for measuring...
... Randy C: So Solomon also suffered from very serious delusions? I compare pictures of myself from 40 years ago with my image now and I see significant...
... Of course not. Relational change are visible. They are not easy to measure because their is no standard against which to measure them, except for light....
--On Saturday, May 05, 2012 6:02 PM +0000 VictorM <godsriddle@...> ... On the contrary, we see the frequencies of modern atoms red-shifted. If the atoms...
... Randy C: Then time has an existence. Therefore both you and Solomon are seriously delusional. ... Some are apparently only visible to one person: you. Why...
... We cannot directly compare ancient atoms with modern ones in a lab. Yet we have some interesting patterns known as the Lyman, Balmer and Paschen series....
... Randy C: As is the case with EVERYTHING you say, this is nonsense. OF COURSE, science could invent a valid system of science where everything is always...
--On Monday, May 07, 2012 7:09 AM +0000 VictorM <godsriddle@...> ... All bilgewater. The fact is that we CAN compare ancient atoms with modern ones. We...
... Bertrand Russell: "Science, like philosophy, has sought to escape from the doctrine of perpetual flux by finding some permanent substratum amid changing...
... Randy C: But that is not the issue. Instead YOU said that scientists couldn't construct a theory of the basis of everything always changing. They've...
... Bilgewater! We see how atoms keep changing relationally throughout cosmic history. We see that the western concept of time, which is an important element...
... Randy C: NO! "WE" don't see any such thing. Only YOU see these things. Therefore Occam's Razor tells us that these things are nothing but delusions that...
... When you use a different first principle, your system of evidence changes. Michael Polanyi pointed out that the conceptual framework and the rules of...
... Randy C: No. The real first principle of science is that all hypotheses must be testable and potentially falsifiable. That's it. It says nothing about...
Graphic for this post is located at: http://www.godsriddle.info/2012/05/scientific-five-steps.html The scientific method is commonly described as a four-step...
