is not a banned subject on this forum.

In fact, i would like to bring up a post of Kneweyes from the cb forum:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudbusters/message/23143 in case
anyone wants to discuss it someplace where such discussion is allowed.

I have checked out this Ramanathan guy, and get the impression he is
indeed a master, and his AH has a markedly superior energy to what the
rest of us have been doing.

Well , this is good you want to talk about this here Loohan.
First I have to get this off my chest, but don't want to sign in at
the other place to voice it.
That place is undeserving of my views now, as far as I'm concerned
I do think John Morrison cut this off at a crucial time just when we
were getting to the bottom of something big, or at least starting to.

I also think he left posts up that were illegal posts (by the
naysayers) for an awful long time which of course would offend the
people who were literally being RAGED at and namecalled. What did he
expect? Did he really think people wouldn't defend themselves or
others when he sat and allowed posts like Robs telling a newbie to put
an ashball up her anus to remain for up 24 hrs uncontested by him the
moderator? We had to look at that all damn day and night. He still
left it up for a while even after that. He wanted everyone to get mad
as hornets, thats obvious, to me at least.

He stirred the flames of that fire with his non-intervention at
crucial times as far as I'm concerned and it looks to me now, like it
was an end to a means.. His 'timed' non-action that is.
He can keep his cb forum, which he now seems to be steering into a
what-do-you-know-about-joecell-making forum. If I knew how to make a
joe-cell, I certainly wouldn't be letting him in on it.

I might have joined loraes new forum, but john, who just joins to be
snoopy, watch, and not contribute any more than superficially, makes
me feel uncomfortable.
Why does he have to oversee every off-shoot forum. He rarely talks
except to be condescending or repremanding to the members at his own
forum.. so what the heck is his interest in joining everybody
everywhere they go anyway?
Oh yeah,, to encourage people not to talk in other places and to keep
it in the forum, ...now I remember.
Well..His forum will no longer have my private thoughts added to the
information gathered there.

Now he acts like hes doing good ??? when he cuts off the conversation
JUST as VERY IMPORTANT new discoveries come up, that NEED to be
thoroughly looked at!? Information that just may lead to tossing the
whole agnihotra deal out on its ass?
Nicely timed again.

Yes, I'm pissed about what was allowed to transpire there, and anybody
who cares,,, can read all about it here.
I broke my own rule of not joining anymore forums when I joined here
at Loohans. I joined here because I had no doubts of my "safety" here.
Not one doubt, ....and I can't say that for any other forum out there.
Nancy




--- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@...> wrote:
>
> is not a banned subject on this forum.
>
> In fact, i would like to bring up a post of Kneweyes from the cb forum:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudbusters/message/23143 in case
> anyone wants to discuss it someplace where such discussion is allowed.
>
> I have checked out this Ramanathan guy, and get the impression he is
> indeed a master, and his AH has a markedly superior energy to what the
> rest of us have been doing.
>

Um, actually what i mainly wanted to invite people to discuss was
interesting technical aspects of agnihotra.

My own participation at that other forum has slackened dramatically in
recent months, because i saw little discussion of things i deem
important. It was largely agents, and people being nice to agents, and
well-intentioned but deluded followers of demonic "spirit guides" etc.

I did not want to be associated with such a forum, tried to change it
but the consensus was against me, so i formed this forum, which,
although not very active, serves my purposes well.

I do not know what's up with John, but i have never been able to
detect any "dirt" on him. I can't find anybody evil he's
surreptitiously working for. No places where he carves up living
things to feed demons.

--- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@...> wrote:
>
>
> Well , this is good you want to talk about this here Loohan.
> First I have to get this off my chest, but don't want to sign in at
> the other place to voice it.
> That place is undeserving of my views now, as far as I'm concerned
> I do think John Morrison cut this off at a crucial time just when we
> were getting to the bottom of something big, or at least starting to.
>
> I also think he left posts up that were illegal posts (by the
> naysayers) for an awful long time which of course would offend the
> people who were literally being RAGED at and namecalled. What did he
> expect? Did he really think people wouldn't defend themselves or
> others when he sat and allowed posts like Robs telling a newbie to put
> an ashball up her anus to remain for up 24 hrs uncontested by him the
> moderator? We had to look at that all damn day and night. He still
> left it up for a while even after that. He wanted everyone to get mad
> as hornets, thats obvious, to me at least.
>
> He stirred the flames of that fire with his non-intervention at
> crucial times as far as I'm concerned and it looks to me now, like it
> was an end to a means.. His 'timed' non-action that is.
> He can keep his cb forum, which he now seems to be steering into a
> what-do-you-know-about-joecell-making forum. If I knew how to make a
> joe-cell, I certainly wouldn't be letting him in on it.
>
> I might have joined loraes new forum, but john, who just joins to be
> snoopy, watch, and not contribute any more than superficially, makes
> me feel uncomfortable.
> Why does he have to oversee every off-shoot forum. He rarely talks
> except to be condescending or repremanding to the members at his own
> forum.. so what the heck is his interest in joining everybody
> everywhere they go anyway?
> Oh yeah,, to encourage people not to talk in other places and to keep
> it in the forum, ...now I remember.
> Well..His forum will no longer have my private thoughts added to the
> information gathered there.
>
> Now he acts like hes doing good ??? when he cuts off the conversation
> JUST as VERY IMPORTANT new discoveries come up, that NEED to be
> thoroughly looked at!? Information that just may lead to tossing the
> whole agnihotra deal out on its ass?
> Nicely timed again.
>
> Yes, I'm pissed about what was allowed to transpire there, and anybody
> who cares,,, can read all about it here.
> I broke my own rule of not joining anymore forums when I joined here
> at Loohans. I joined here because I had no doubts of my "safety" here.
> Not one doubt, ....and I can't say that for any other forum out there.
> Nancy
>
>
>
>
> --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@> wrote:
> >
> > is not a banned subject on this forum.
> >
> > In fact, i would like to bring up a post of Kneweyes from the cb
forum:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudbusters/message/23143 in case
> > anyone wants to discuss it someplace where such discussion is allowed.
> >
> > I have checked out this Ramanathan guy, and get the impression he is
> > indeed a master, and his AH has a markedly superior energy to what the
> > rest of us have been doing.
> >
>

I'm sorry Loohan.. but like I said , I REALLY needed to get that off
my chest and thats it. I'm done with that.

As far as Ramanathan, I get nothing but good vibes and intentions from
him too.

I am very concerned about the discrepancies in the way the agnihotra
ceremonies are described betwween his site , and all the other sites
out there.
I know the ash we've been using is good for nulling towers in some
way, but I am not too sure about the ash/cloudbuster combo.
My skies truly have sucked since I put a bit of ash in my buster, and
this is not good.

I really wonder what ash would be like if it were obtained by doing
the AH ceremoy as explained at Ramanathan's site.


--- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@...> wrote:
>
> Um, actually what i mainly wanted to invite people to discuss was
> interesting technical aspects of agnihotra.
>
> My own participation at that other forum has slackened dramatically in
> recent months, because i saw little discussion of things i deem
> important. It was largely agents, and people being nice to agents, and
> well-intentioned but deluded followers of demonic "spirit guides" etc.
>
> I did not want to be associated with such a forum, tried to change it
> but the consensus was against me, so i formed this forum, which,
> although not very active, serves my purposes well.
>
> I do not know what's up with John, but i have never been able to
> detect any "dirt" on him. I can't find anybody evil he's
> surreptitiously working for. No places where he carves up living
> things to feed demons.
>
> --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Well , this is good you want to talk about this here Loohan.
> > First I have to get this off my chest, but don't want to sign in at
> > the other place to voice it.
> > That place is undeserving of my views now, as far as I'm concerned
> > I do think John Morrison cut this off at a crucial time just when we
> > were getting to the bottom of something big, or at least starting to.
> >
> > I also think he left posts up that were illegal posts (by the
> > naysayers) for an awful long time which of course would offend the
> > people who were literally being RAGED at and namecalled. What did he
> > expect? Did he really think people wouldn't defend themselves or
> > others when he sat and allowed posts like Robs telling a newbie to put
> > an ashball up her anus to remain for up 24 hrs uncontested by him the
> > moderator? We had to look at that all damn day and night. He still
> > left it up for a while even after that. He wanted everyone to get mad
> > as hornets, thats obvious, to me at least.
> >
> > He stirred the flames of that fire with his non-intervention at
> > crucial times as far as I'm concerned and it looks to me now, like it
> > was an end to a means.. His 'timed' non-action that is.
> > He can keep his cb forum, which he now seems to be steering into a
> > what-do-you-know-about-joecell-making forum. If I knew how to make a
> > joe-cell, I certainly wouldn't be letting him in on it.
> >
> > I might have joined loraes new forum, but john, who just joins to be
> > snoopy, watch, and not contribute any more than superficially, makes
> > me feel uncomfortable.
> > Why does he have to oversee every off-shoot forum. He rarely talks
> > except to be condescending or repremanding to the members at his own
> > forum.. so what the heck is his interest in joining everybody
> > everywhere they go anyway?
> > Oh yeah,, to encourage people not to talk in other places and to keep
> > it in the forum, ...now I remember.
> > Well..His forum will no longer have my private thoughts added to the
> > information gathered there.
> >
> > Now he acts like hes doing good ??? when he cuts off the conversation
> > JUST as VERY IMPORTANT new discoveries come up, that NEED to be
> > thoroughly looked at!? Information that just may lead to tossing the
> > whole agnihotra deal out on its ass?
> > Nicely timed again.
> >
> > Yes, I'm pissed about what was allowed to transpire there, and anybody
> > who cares,,, can read all about it here.
> > I broke my own rule of not joining anymore forums when I joined here
> > at Loohans. I joined here because I had no doubts of my "safety" here.
> > Not one doubt, ....and I can't say that for any other forum out there.
> > Nancy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@> wrote:
> > >
> > > is not a banned subject on this forum.
> > >
> > > In fact, i would like to bring up a post of Kneweyes from the cb
> forum:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudbusters/message/23143 in case
> > > anyone wants to discuss it someplace where such discussion is
allowed.
> > >
> > > I have checked out this Ramanathan guy, and get the impression he is
> > > indeed a master, and his AH has a markedly superior energy to
what the
> > > rest of us have been doing.
> > >
> >
>

I don't like to have to write this, and I hope Al doesn't take it
personally because I HAVE to write this.
My Cloud-buster was not working at all these past few weeks The one
with the 200 miles radius that keeps connecticut clear died after I
put a tiny bit of Al's ash in it.
  I was hoping it was the humidity, because they do manage to get a few
trails to stick on humid days. We have  had a hazy grey white out for
3 weeks here and this is NOT normal at all for this area. My cb takes
care of it. I havent seen skies like this here, in 5 years.

It seems the ash has a strong Yang energy to it. Thats why if you put
a sprinkle of ash on something it then always dowses positive
polarity. Positive polarity doe's not necessarily mean positve energy.
It means a predominance of positive polarity.  More yin than yang.
What we should be aiming at is a balance of the 2.

I filled the pipes with salt water and washed the whole thing with
slat water and then flushed it all out with clear water. Then I saged
it, and then ran some QT energy into it. It still wasn't right.
  It was Loohan who gave me the information about the too much yang
energy and to try usiing Yin energy herbs on it.
So I flooded the pipe with water mixed with a strong extract of Dong
Quai mixed in there and washed down the whole ouside and pipes of it.
The cb liked that, it had a cooling effect on it which it seemed to be
drinking up.
I made a spray bottle of the mix and spray it down  every day now too.
I figured it may take a while for it to 'kick-in' again like it had to
when I first made it, so I am giving it time.
  Today ,,, later today.. I had a glimmer of hope when I see the only
part of connecticuts skies, that have some semblance of a break in the
blankets of grey glop and haze thats accumulated over the past few weeks.
  Of course the sprayers are right on top of it filling in the blanks
as fast as they can.

I think I am going to get a big plastic garbage container, take the
pipes off the cb, put it all into the conatiner and fill it with water
and Dong Quai extract, and let it sit in there submerged totally for a
day or 2.
I do think that will do the trick.
If not, I shall be flipping.;)


--- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@...> wrote:
>
> I'm sorry Loohan.. but like I said , I REALLY needed to get that off
> my chest and thats it. I'm done with that.
>
> As far as Ramanathan, I get nothing but good vibes and intentions from
> him too.
>
> I am very concerned about the discrepancies in the way the agnihotra
> ceremonies are described betwween his site , and all the other sites
> out there.
> I know the ash we've been using is good for nulling towers in some
> way, but I am not too sure about the ash/cloudbuster combo.
> My skies truly have sucked since I put a bit of ash in my buster, and
> this is not good.
>
> I really wonder what ash would be like if it were obtained by doing
> the AH ceremoy as explained at Ramanathan's site.
>
>
> --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@> wrote:
> >
> > Um, actually what i mainly wanted to invite people to discuss was
> > interesting technical aspects of agnihotra.
> >
> > My own participation at that other forum has slackened dramatically in
> > recent months, because i saw little discussion of things i deem
> > important. It was largely agents, and people being nice to agents, and
> > well-intentioned but deluded followers of demonic "spirit guides" etc.
> >
> > I did not want to be associated with such a forum, tried to change it
> > but the consensus was against me, so i formed this forum, which,
> > although not very active, serves my purposes well.
> >
> > I do not know what's up with John, but i have never been able to
> > detect any "dirt" on him. I can't find anybody evil he's
> > surreptitiously working for. No places where he carves up living
> > things to feed demons.
> >
> > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Well , this is good you want to talk about this here Loohan.
> > > First I have to get this off my chest, but don't want to sign in at
> > > the other place to voice it.
> > > That place is undeserving of my views now, as far as I'm concerned
> > > I do think John Morrison cut this off at a crucial time just when we
> > > were getting to the bottom of something big, or at least
starting to.
> > >
> > > I also think he left posts up that were illegal posts (by the
> > > naysayers) for an awful long time which of course would offend the
> > > people who were literally being RAGED at and namecalled. What did he
> > > expect? Did he really think people wouldn't defend themselves or
> > > others when he sat and allowed posts like Robs telling a newbie
to put
> > > an ashball up her anus to remain for up 24 hrs uncontested by
him the
> > > moderator? We had to look at that all damn day and night. He still
> > > left it up for a while even after that. He wanted everyone to
get mad
> > > as hornets, thats obvious, to me at least.
> > >
> > > He stirred the flames of that fire with his non-intervention at
> > > crucial times as far as I'm concerned and it looks to me now,
like it
> > > was an end to a means.. His 'timed' non-action that is.
> > > He can keep his cb forum, which he now seems to be steering into a
> > > what-do-you-know-about-joecell-making forum. If I knew how to make a
> > > joe-cell, I certainly wouldn't be letting him in on it.
> > >
> > > I might have joined loraes new forum, but john, who just joins to be
> > > snoopy, watch, and not contribute any more than superficially, makes
> > > me feel uncomfortable.
> > > Why does he have to oversee every off-shoot forum. He rarely talks
> > > except to be condescending or repremanding to the members at his own
> > > forum.. so what the heck is his interest in joining everybody
> > > everywhere they go anyway?
> > > Oh yeah,, to encourage people not to talk in other places and to
keep
> > > it in the forum, ...now I remember.
> > > Well..His forum will no longer have my private thoughts added to the
> > > information gathered there.
> > >
> > > Now he acts like hes doing good ??? when he cuts off the
conversation
> > > JUST as VERY IMPORTANT new discoveries come up, that NEED to be
> > > thoroughly looked at!? Information that just may lead to tossing the
> > > whole agnihotra deal out on its ass?
> > > Nicely timed again.
> > >
> > > Yes, I'm pissed about what was allowed to transpire there, and
anybody
> > > who cares,,, can read all about it here.
> > > I broke my own rule of not joining anymore forums when I joined here
> > > at Loohans. I joined here because I had no doubts of my "safety"
here.
> > > Not one doubt, ....and I can't say that for any other forum out
there.
> > > Nancy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > is not a banned subject on this forum.
> > > >
> > > > In fact, i would like to bring up a post of Kneweyes from the cb
> > forum:
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudbusters/message/23143 in case
> > > > anyone wants to discuss it someplace where such discussion is
> allowed.
> > > >
> > > > I have checked out this Ramanathan guy, and get the impression
he is
> > > > indeed a master, and his AH has a markedly superior energy to
> what the
> > > > rest of us have been doing.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

What i'd mentioned is that my Indian friend had said that when he was
a boy, his dad put ash in the well, and it dried up. Then his mom put
in something with female energy, and it started flowing again.

However, many people claim to have found ash mud-balls good for
breaking droughts.

--- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@...> wrote:
>
>
> It seems the ash has a strong Yang energy to it. Thats why if you put
> a sprinkle of ash on something it then always dowses positive
> polarity. Positive polarity doe's not necessarily mean positve energy.
> It means a predominance of positive polarity.  More yin than yang.
> What we should be aiming at is a balance of the 2.
>
> I filled the pipes with salt water and washed the whole thing with
> slat water and then flushed it all out with clear water. Then I saged
> it, and then ran some QT energy into it. It still wasn't right.
>  It was Loohan who gave me the information about the too much yang
> energy and to try usiing Yin energy herbs on it.

> I do not know what's up with John, but i have never been able to
> detect any "dirt" on him. I can't find anybody evil he's
> surreptitiously working for. No places where he carves up living
> things to feed demons.
Thanks loohon it's good for *someone* to give me a clean bill of health.
Most claim I'm an agent or working for one or whatever.

The ASH WAR was getting out of hand and no one wanted to back down so the
only thing that was left was to remove the focus of the war.  Temporarily!

I knew what the result would be (attacks on me from both sides of the WAR).
Sadly I wasn't wrong.
Many are now on moderation because even after this drastic step they still
kept up the tit for tat sniping.

Seems to have calmed down a little now so I'm hoping in another week or so
to say OK again and see what happens.

As I told everyone I'm neither for nor against ASH...Just the WAR that was
raging around it.

L&L
John

OK, my Indian friend writes:

> I have done AH ceremony several times, as recently in Feb. of this
year at Benares, on the 9th 10th, 11th and 12th day after my mother
passed away for easy transition. It is not AH, but a homa
ceremony.Except for chants and timing the process is the same.

The priest is well read scholar. He said do not add any grass, and do
it on the ground, put sand and use bricks [loohan's note: i think this
means a ziggurat of stacked bricks IN LIEU OF a copper one].

There are 2 schools: One is Sama Veda type and the other is Yajurveda
type.
By birth I am a yajurveda type of Brahmin from one Andhra Pradesh and
the way it is done is a bit different. One active ingredient I find
missing is the offerings for AH ceremony are always sweet.  By adding
Jaggery(molasses) or now a days sugar. added and boiled with milk and
rice.Never done after sun sets

Copper pyramids are a modern invention.

The one from Homas from Atharvana Veda and others are done for
personal gains. There are also variations to generate evil destructive
energy, but the chants are totally different.the offereings are
totally different including blood and flesh and some evil herbs etc.

When I went to India last year, when my mother was alive she said

"When we drilled deep to get subterranean water for our home, My
father who was alive then added some ash to the steel pipe bored in to
the ground and the water dried up" and my mother  scolded my father
left and right.

  Finally my father added some turmeric and the red kumkum powder and
the water started flowing back.

The ash is used primarily to draw negative energy. Its energy is
Purely Yang hot, masculine energy.

If you observe Indian gods or read Indian my theology none of the
females wear ash. Few of them who wear it always balance it with red
powder(red turmeric)
[turmeric is made red, and its energy enhanced, by adding a calcium
compound and heating]

It [ash] is applied to the body or sprinkled with chants to energy
clear a house etc.

When I told few of my friends about mud balls they have some
reservations about adding to water. Such as rivers, canals and tanks.
They say it is not meant for that.
But it has a place to remove negative energy.

  --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@...> wrote:
>
> What i'd mentioned is that my Indian friend had said that when he was
> a boy, his dad put ash in the well, and it dried up. Then his mom put
> in something with female energy, and it started flowing again.
>
> However, many people claim to have found ash mud-balls good for
> breaking droughts.
>
> --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > It seems the ash has a strong Yang energy to it. Thats why if you put
> > a sprinkle of ash on something it then always dowses positive
> > polarity. Positive polarity doe's not necessarily mean positve energy.
> > It means a predominance of positive polarity.  More yin than yang.
> > What we should be aiming at is a balance of the 2.
> >
> > I filled the pipes with salt water and washed the whole thing with
> > slat water and then flushed it all out with clear water. Then I saged
> > it, and then ran some QT energy into it. It still wasn't right.
> >  It was Loohan who gave me the information about the too much yang
> > energy and to try usiing Yin energy herbs on it.
>

Dong Quai is not a yin herb, in fact it is on the warm side, belonging
to the group called "Herbs that tonify the blood".

Now, I have not prescribed for a CB before, but the first thing I
would try would be a salt with a very yin (cold) energy, like
Glauber's Salt (sodium sulfate) or Epsom Salt (magnesium sulfate). The
latter is the one used in Hulda Clark's liver cleanse.

Both are easily dissolved in water.

--- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@...> wrote:
>
> I don't like to have to write this, and I hope Al doesn't take it
> personally because I HAVE to write this.
> My Cloud-buster was not working at all these past few weeks The one
> with the 200 miles radius that keeps connecticut clear died after I
> put a tiny bit of Al's ash in it.
>  I was hoping it was the humidity, because they do manage to get a few
> trails to stick on humid days. We have  had a hazy grey white out for
> 3 weeks here and this is NOT normal at all for this area. My cb takes
> care of it. I havent seen skies like this here, in 5 years.
>
> It seems the ash has a strong Yang energy to it. Thats why if you put
> a sprinkle of ash on something it then always dowses positive
> polarity. Positive polarity doe's not necessarily mean positve energy.
> It means a predominance of positive polarity.  More yin than yang.
> What we should be aiming at is a balance of the 2.
>
> I filled the pipes with salt water and washed the whole thing with
> slat water and then flushed it all out with clear water. Then I saged
> it, and then ran some QT energy into it. It still wasn't right.
>  It was Loohan who gave me the information about the too much yang
> energy and to try usiing Yin energy herbs on it.
> So I flooded the pipe with water mixed with a strong extract of Dong
> Quai mixed in there and washed down the whole ouside and pipes of it.
> The cb liked that, it had a cooling effect on it which it seemed to be
> drinking up.
> I made a spray bottle of the mix and spray it down  every day now too.
> I figured it may take a while for it to 'kick-in' again like it had to
> when I first made it, so I am giving it time.
>  Today ,,, later today.. I had a glimmer of hope when I see the only
> part of connecticuts skies, that have some semblance of a break in the
> blankets of grey glop and haze thats accumulated over the past few
weeks.
>  Of course the sprayers are right on top of it filling in the blanks
> as fast as they can.
>
> I think I am going to get a big plastic garbage container, take the
> pipes off the cb, put it all into the conatiner and fill it with water
> and Dong Quai extract, and let it sit in there submerged totally for a
> day or 2.
> I do think that will do the trick.
> If not, I shall be flipping.;)
>
>
> --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm sorry Loohan.. but like I said , I REALLY needed to get that off
> > my chest and thats it. I'm done with that.
> >
> > As far as Ramanathan, I get nothing but good vibes and intentions from
> > him too.
> >
> > I am very concerned about the discrepancies in the way the agnihotra
> > ceremonies are described betwween his site , and all the other sites
> > out there.
> > I know the ash we've been using is good for nulling towers in some
> > way, but I am not too sure about the ash/cloudbuster combo.
> > My skies truly have sucked since I put a bit of ash in my buster, and
> > this is not good.
> >
> > I really wonder what ash would be like if it were obtained by doing
> > the AH ceremoy as explained at Ramanathan's site.
> >
> >
> > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Um, actually what i mainly wanted to invite people to discuss was
> > > interesting technical aspects of agnihotra.
> > >
> > > My own participation at that other forum has slackened
dramatically in
> > > recent months, because i saw little discussion of things i deem
> > > important. It was largely agents, and people being nice to
agents, and
> > > well-intentioned but deluded followers of demonic "spirit
guides" etc.
> > >
> > > I did not want to be associated with such a forum, tried to
change it
> > > but the consensus was against me, so i formed this forum, which,
> > > although not very active, serves my purposes well.
> > >
> > > I do not know what's up with John, but i have never been able to
> > > detect any "dirt" on him. I can't find anybody evil he's
> > > surreptitiously working for. No places where he carves up living
> > > things to feed demons.
> > >
> > > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well , this is good you want to talk about this here Loohan.
> > > > First I have to get this off my chest, but don't want to sign
in at
> > > > the other place to voice it.
> > > > That place is undeserving of my views now, as far as I'm concerned
> > > > I do think John Morrison cut this off at a crucial time just
when we
> > > > were getting to the bottom of something big, or at least
> starting to.
> > > >
> > > > I also think he left posts up that were illegal posts (by the
> > > > naysayers) for an awful long time which of course would offend the
> > > > people who were literally being RAGED at and namecalled. What
did he
> > > > expect? Did he really think people wouldn't defend themselves or
> > > > others when he sat and allowed posts like Robs telling a newbie
> to put
> > > > an ashball up her anus to remain for up 24 hrs uncontested by
> him the
> > > > moderator? We had to look at that all damn day and night. He still
> > > > left it up for a while even after that. He wanted everyone to
> get mad
> > > > as hornets, thats obvious, to me at least.
> > > >
> > > > He stirred the flames of that fire with his non-intervention at
> > > > crucial times as far as I'm concerned and it looks to me now,
> like it
> > > > was an end to a means.. His 'timed' non-action that is.
> > > > He can keep his cb forum, which he now seems to be steering into a
> > > > what-do-you-know-about-joecell-making forum. If I knew how to
make a
> > > > joe-cell, I certainly wouldn't be letting him in on it.
> > > >
> > > > I might have joined loraes new forum, but john, who just joins
to be
> > > > snoopy, watch, and not contribute any more than superficially,
makes
> > > > me feel uncomfortable.
> > > > Why does he have to oversee every off-shoot forum. He rarely talks
> > > > except to be condescending or repremanding to the members at
his own
> > > > forum.. so what the heck is his interest in joining everybody
> > > > everywhere they go anyway?
> > > > Oh yeah,, to encourage people not to talk in other places and to
> keep
> > > > it in the forum, ...now I remember.
> > > > Well..His forum will no longer have my private thoughts added
to the
> > > > information gathered there.
> > > >
> > > > Now he acts like hes doing good ??? when he cuts off the
> conversation
> > > > JUST as VERY IMPORTANT new discoveries come up, that NEED to be
> > > > thoroughly looked at!? Information that just may lead to
tossing the
> > > > whole agnihotra deal out on its ass?
> > > > Nicely timed again.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I'm pissed about what was allowed to transpire there, and
> anybody
> > > > who cares,,, can read all about it here.
> > > > I broke my own rule of not joining anymore forums when I
joined here
> > > > at Loohans. I joined here because I had no doubts of my "safety"
> here.
> > > > Not one doubt, ....and I can't say that for any other forum out
> there.
> > > > Nancy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > is not a banned subject on this forum.
> > > > >
> > > > > In fact, i would like to bring up a post of Kneweyes from the cb
> > > forum:
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudbusters/message/23143 in case
> > > > > anyone wants to discuss it someplace where such discussion is
> > allowed.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have checked out this Ramanathan guy, and get the impression
> he is
> > > > > indeed a master, and his AH has a markedly superior energy to
> > what the
> > > > > rest of us have been doing.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/wp200604.html is now
heading for Korea/Japan. It has been downgraded to Category 1.

Not a lot of DOR happening. There were a few weather demons a bit ago,
and a few demon-powered transmitters. I should be able to pretty much
keep those out of action.

Yes, it is probably the pre-eminent Chinese herb for "female issues"
but it does not necessarily follow that it is very feminine in energy.

--- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "sittingtaoist"
<sittingtaoist@...> wrote:
>
> Dong Quai is not a yin herb, in fact it is on the warm side, belonging
> to the group called "Herbs that tonify the blood".
>
> Now, I have not prescribed for a CB before, but the first thing I
> would try would be a salt with a very yin (cold) energy, like
> Glauber's Salt (sodium sulfate) or Epsom Salt (magnesium sulfate). The
> latter is the one used in Hulda Clark's liver cleanse.
>
> Both are easily dissolved in water.
>
> --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't like to have to write this, and I hope Al doesn't take it
> > p

Hmm, when I went searching for yin energy herbs, dong quai kept
popping up and I just happened to have some so I used that.
I also had some Damiana extract, which I haven't done a seach to find
out if it was yin, but it seems to be the thing thats doing the trick!
Damiana.

Thank You for the prescripton sittingtaoist!
If I see a slowing down in her recovery, I'll try that.. but things
are finally starting to look better here.



--- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "sittingtaoist"
<sittingtaoist@...> wrote:
>
> Dong Quai is not a yin herb, in fact it is on the warm side, belonging
> to the group called "Herbs that tonify the blood".
>
> Now, I have not prescribed for a CB before, but the first thing I
> would try would be a salt with a very yin (cold) energy, like
> Glauber's Salt (sodium sulfate) or Epsom Salt (magnesium sulfate). The
> latter is the one used in Hulda Clark's liver cleanse.
>
> Both are easily dissolved in water.
>
> --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't like to have to write this, and I hope Al doesn't take it
> > personally because I HAVE to write this.
> > My Cloud-buster was not working at all these past few weeks The one
> > with the 200 miles radius that keeps connecticut clear died after I
> > put a tiny bit of Al's ash in it.
> >  I was hoping it was the humidity, because they do manage to get a few
> > trails to stick on humid days. We have  had a hazy grey white out for
> > 3 weeks here and this is NOT normal at all for this area. My cb takes
> > care of it. I havent seen skies like this here, in 5 years.
> >
> > It seems the ash has a strong Yang energy to it. Thats why if you put
> > a sprinkle of ash on something it then always dowses positive
> > polarity. Positive polarity doe's not necessarily mean positve energy.
> > It means a predominance of positive polarity.  More yin than yang.
> > What we should be aiming at is a balance of the 2.
> >
> > I filled the pipes with salt water and washed the whole thing with
> > slat water and then flushed it all out with clear water. Then I saged
> > it, and then ran some QT energy into it. It still wasn't right.
> >  It was Loohan who gave me the information about the too much yang
> > energy and to try usiing Yin energy herbs on it.
> > So I flooded the pipe with water mixed with a strong extract of Dong
> > Quai mixed in there and washed down the whole ouside and pipes of it.
> > The cb liked that, it had a cooling effect on it which it seemed to be
> > drinking up.
> > I made a spray bottle of the mix and spray it down  every day now
too.
> > I figured it may take a while for it to 'kick-in' again like it had to
> > when I first made it, so I am giving it time.
> >  Today ,,, later today.. I had a glimmer of hope when I see the only
> > part of connecticuts skies, that have some semblance of a break in the
> > blankets of grey glop and haze thats accumulated over the past few
> weeks.
> >  Of course the sprayers are right on top of it filling in the blanks
> > as fast as they can.
> >
> > I think I am going to get a big plastic garbage container, take the
> > pipes off the cb, put it all into the conatiner and fill it with water
> > and Dong Quai extract, and let it sit in there submerged totally for a
> > day or 2.
> > I do think that will do the trick.
> > If not, I shall be flipping.;)
> >
> >
> > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm sorry Loohan.. but like I said , I REALLY needed to get that off
> > > my chest and thats it. I'm done with that.
> > >
> > > As far as Ramanathan, I get nothing but good vibes and
intentions from
> > > him too.
> > >
> > > I am very concerned about the discrepancies in the way the agnihotra
> > > ceremonies are described betwween his site , and all the other sites
> > > out there.
> > > I know the ash we've been using is good for nulling towers in some
> > > way, but I am not too sure about the ash/cloudbuster combo.
> > > My skies truly have sucked since I put a bit of ash in my
buster, and
> > > this is not good.
> > >
> > > I really wonder what ash would be like if it were obtained by doing
> > > the AH ceremoy as explained at Ramanathan's site.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Um, actually what i mainly wanted to invite people to discuss was
> > > > interesting technical aspects of agnihotra.
> > > >
> > > > My own participation at that other forum has slackened
> dramatically in
> > > > recent months, because i saw little discussion of things i deem
> > > > important. It was largely agents, and people being nice to
> agents, and
> > > > well-intentioned but deluded followers of demonic "spirit
> guides" etc.
> > > >
> > > > I did not want to be associated with such a forum, tried to
> change it
> > > > but the consensus was against me, so i formed this forum, which,
> > > > although not very active, serves my purposes well.
> > > >
> > > > I do not know what's up with John, but i have never been able to
> > > > detect any "dirt" on him. I can't find anybody evil he's
> > > > surreptitiously working for. No places where he carves up living
> > > > things to feed demons.
> > > >
> > > > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Well , this is good you want to talk about this here Loohan.
> > > > > First I have to get this off my chest, but don't want to sign
> in at
> > > > > the other place to voice it.
> > > > > That place is undeserving of my views now, as far as I'm
concerned
> > > > > I do think John Morrison cut this off at a crucial time just
> when we
> > > > > were getting to the bottom of something big, or at least
> > starting to.
> > > > >
> > > > > I also think he left posts up that were illegal posts (by the
> > > > > naysayers) for an awful long time which of course would
offend the
> > > > > people who were literally being RAGED at and namecalled. What
> did he
> > > > > expect? Did he really think people wouldn't defend themselves or
> > > > > others when he sat and allowed posts like Robs telling a newbie
> > to put
> > > > > an ashball up her anus to remain for up 24 hrs uncontested by
> > him the
> > > > > moderator? We had to look at that all damn day and night. He
still
> > > > > left it up for a while even after that. He wanted everyone to
> > get mad
> > > > > as hornets, thats obvious, to me at least.
> > > > >
> > > > > He stirred the flames of that fire with his non-intervention at
> > > > > crucial times as far as I'm concerned and it looks to me now,
> > like it
> > > > > was an end to a means.. His 'timed' non-action that is.
> > > > > He can keep his cb forum, which he now seems to be steering
into a
> > > > > what-do-you-know-about-joecell-making forum. If I knew how to
> make a
> > > > > joe-cell, I certainly wouldn't be letting him in on it.
> > > > >
> > > > > I might have joined loraes new forum, but john, who just joins
> to be
> > > > > snoopy, watch, and not contribute any more than superficially,
> makes
> > > > > me feel uncomfortable.
> > > > > Why does he have to oversee every off-shoot forum. He rarely
talks
> > > > > except to be condescending or repremanding to the members at
> his own
> > > > > forum.. so what the heck is his interest in joining everybody
> > > > > everywhere they go anyway?
> > > > > Oh yeah,, to encourage people not to talk in other places and to
> > keep
> > > > > it in the forum, ...now I remember.
> > > > > Well..His forum will no longer have my private thoughts added
> to the
> > > > > information gathered there.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now he acts like hes doing good ??? when he cuts off the
> > conversation
> > > > > JUST as VERY IMPORTANT new discoveries come up, that NEED to be
> > > > > thoroughly looked at!? Information that just may lead to
> tossing the
> > > > > whole agnihotra deal out on its ass?
> > > > > Nicely timed again.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, I'm pissed about what was allowed to transpire there, and
> > anybody
> > > > > who cares,,, can read all about it here.
> > > > > I broke my own rule of not joining anymore forums when I
> joined here
> > > > > at Loohans. I joined here because I had no doubts of my "safety"
> > here.
> > > > > Not one doubt, ....and I can't say that for any other forum out
> > there.
> > > > > Nancy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@>
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > is not a banned subject on this forum.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In fact, i would like to bring up a post of Kneweyes from
the cb
> > > > forum:
> > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudbusters/message/23143
in case
> > > > > > anyone wants to discuss it someplace where such discussion is
> > > allowed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have checked out this Ramanathan guy, and get the impression
> > he is
> > > > > > indeed a master, and his AH has a markedly superior energy to
> > > what the
> > > > > > rest of us have been doing.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Oh Thank God I have good news to report.
Last night I flushed her out with Damiana extract/water mixture and
keep a spray bottle full of the mix and spray the cb down with it.
Poured a little into the pipes to stay there. She did like like that
cooling effect.

Today, as the day has progressed, so has she (the cb). The haze that
was underneath and above the thick blanket of total chemcrud cover is
the first thing that is being cleared up.
Yesterday, All I saw was a hole above me that showed blue, a real hazy
blue, but finally a little patch of blue again.
Today behind the 'patch of blue', I see the haze is gone ABOVE the
blanket too, and the blue is much clearer and bluer.

ALso more and more holes and patches are beginning to open up in the
distance and behind each of them, again is the cleared of haze blue
sky. It's clear blue behind them there crud clouds!
I suppose it takes care of the smller particulate (haze) before it can
start breaking down the thicker blanket, which is beginning to happen ow.
For the past few weeks it has been like living in the worst of L.As
smog days. Never have I seen it so bad.
I took a drive and can see that the effects are widespread which gives
me faith that the cb WILL be her old self again after the initial
re-kick-in stage.
  She WILL regain the range.
I know this, and can already see it in the works.

One thing I can say for ash usage.... "If it ain't Broke, Don't "fix" it".
Ash seems to be a kick-ass tower buster,, in my mind I think of the
towers as something that could be considered broken, because it does
not produce good energy, only harmful. This is why the ash works good
on them.

If you put ash on something to enhance it's already positive energy
production,,, then you just knocked it off balance, in effect ..
neutralized it.
Thats the lesson I've recently learned.

Also, Cb's from the very start were seen and felt as something that
produces the feminine energy. The ash is Yang energy.
In order for the cb 's to work well, I have found that it is very
important to be aware of this and to honor that aspect of these babies.
Don Croft and I arrived at the conclusion years ago, that when a
female makes something out of orgonite, it always has more power than
something a male makes out of orgonite. (sorry fella's , but it's
true). There is something definately feminine about orgonite.

It's funny, these past few months, before this even happened, seems to
have contained alot of 'wordless' lessons for me about the feminine
yin energy out there. It does seem to be gaining strength in this
world/earth  .... or I am just noticing it for the first time. I
don't know for sure, but I am just happy there seems to be an
abundance of it because it is All good, loving, healing, caring,
compassionate, subtle and powerful.
This is the female part of the One GOD I have recently learned. The
female part that has been denied existance by the organized christian
religions.

I am not talking about new age goddess energy, or any of those tricks
the occultists try to slip in there trying to associate GODS female
energy with deitys which all lead back to just another name for the
whore of babalon.
I've rejected the goddess energy all my life because of this tricky
switch the occultists have been playing , trying to distort the real
thing.
The "Real Thing" has been knocking at my door lately, and I am so glad
I recognised it for what it is and opened that door ,, finally,, and
welcomed it into my life.

I also believe now that this mishap with the ash and the cb's was
meant to happen in order to fully emphasise this lesson.
She's here folks. Good ole Mom who loves SO MUCH. The Creative Loving
energy of GOD the BIG ONE, and Only one as far as I am concerned.

So, anyone who's ashed their cb's and found they don't work anymore.
They CAN be fixed, cured, and brought back to life. I am seeing it
with my own eyes now!

Wow, this is a great report Loohan, and confirms what I have recently
learned.
That is to not add ash to something that is already producing healing,
living energy... but only to negative energy producers.
I personally wont add ash to orgonite now after learning this, or to
anything already doing just fine without it.
And it makes total sense that the women don't wear ash... unless
offset, and balanced with the red tumeric.
  I just love it when everything comes together like this and makes
such sense :)


--- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@...> wrote:
>
> OK, my Indian friend writes:
>
> > I have done AH ceremony several times, as recently in Feb. of this
> year at Benares, on the 9th 10th, 11th and 12th day after my mother
> passed away for easy transition. It is not AH, but a homa
> ceremony.Except for chants and timing the process is the same.
>
> The priest is well read scholar. He said do not add any grass, and do
> it on the ground, put sand and use bricks [loohan's note: i think this
> means a ziggurat of stacked bricks IN LIEU OF a copper one].
>
> There are 2 schools: One is Sama Veda type and the other is Yajurveda
> type.
> By birth I am a yajurveda type of Brahmin from one Andhra Pradesh and
> the way it is done is a bit different. One active ingredient I find
> missing is the offerings for AH ceremony are always sweet.  By adding
> Jaggery(molasses) or now a days sugar. added and boiled with milk and
> rice.Never done after sun sets
>
> Copper pyramids are a modern invention.
>
> The one from Homas from Atharvana Veda and others are done for
> personal gains. There are also variations to generate evil destructive
> energy, but the chants are totally different.the offereings are
> totally different including blood and flesh and some evil herbs etc.
>
> When I went to India last year, when my mother was alive she said
>
> "When we drilled deep to get subterranean water for our home, My
> father who was alive then added some ash to the steel pipe bored in to
> the ground and the water dried up" and my mother  scolded my father
> left and right.
>
>  Finally my father added some turmeric and the red kumkum powder and
> the water started flowing back.
>
> The ash is used primarily to draw negative energy. Its energy is
> Purely Yang hot, masculine energy.
>
> If you observe Indian gods or read Indian my theology none of the
> females wear ash. Few of them who wear it always balance it with red
> powder(red turmeric)
> [turmeric is made red, and its energy enhanced, by adding a calcium
> compound and heating]
>
> It [ash] is applied to the body or sprinkled with chants to energy
> clear a house etc.
>
> When I told few of my friends about mud balls they have some
> reservations about adding to water. Such as rivers, canals and tanks.
> They say it is not meant for that.
> But it has a place to remove negative energy.
>
>  --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@> wrote:
> >
> > What i'd mentioned is that my Indian friend had said that when he was
> > a boy, his dad put ash in the well, and it dried up. Then his mom put
> > in something with female energy, and it started flowing again.
> >
> > However, many people claim to have found ash mud-balls good for
> > breaking droughts.
> >
> > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > It seems the ash has a strong Yang energy to it. Thats why if
you put
> > > a sprinkle of ash on something it then always dowses positive
> > > polarity. Positive polarity doe's not necessarily mean positve
energy.
> > > It means a predominance of positive polarity.  More yin than yang.
> > > What we should be aiming at is a balance of the 2.
> > >
> > > I filled the pipes with salt water and washed the whole thing with
> > > slat water and then flushed it all out with clear water. Then I
saged
> > > it, and then ran some QT energy into it. It still wasn't right.
> > >  It was Loohan who gave me the information about the too much yang
> > > energy and to try usiing Yin energy herbs on it.
> >
>

"Damiana  male/yang  Mars  Fire"
http://www.circle-of-light.com/Herbs/herb-properties-AtoK.html

But if it works, what the hey!

--- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@...> wrote:
>
> Hmm, when I went searching for yin energy herbs, dong quai kept
> popping up and I just happened to have some so I used that.
> I also had some Damiana extract, which I haven't done a seach to find
> out if it was yin, but it seems to be the thing thats doing the trick!
> Damiana.
>
> Thank You for the prescripton sittingtaoist!
> If I see a slowing down in her recovery, I'll try that.. but things
> are finally starting to look better here.
>
>
>
> --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "sittingtaoist"
> <sittingtaoist@> wrote:
> >
> > Dong Quai is not a yin herb, in fact it is on the warm side, belonging
> > to the group called "Herbs that tonify the blood".
> >
> > Now, I have not prescribed for a CB before, but the first thing I
> > would try would be a salt with a very yin (cold) energy, like
> > Glauber's Salt (sodium sulfate) or Epsom Salt (magnesium sulfate). The
> > latter is the one used in Hulda Clark's liver cleanse.
> >
> > Both are easily dissolved in water.
> >
> > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't like to have to write this, and I hope Al doesn't take it
> > > personally because I HAVE to write this.
> > > My Cloud-buster was not working at all these past few weeks The one
> > > with the 200 miles radius that keeps connecticut clear died after I
> > > put a tiny bit of Al's ash in it.
> > >  I was hoping it was the humidity, because they do manage to get
a few
> > > trails to stick on humid days. We have  had a hazy grey white
out for
> > > 3 weeks here and this is NOT normal at all for this area. My cb
takes
> > > care of it. I havent seen skies like this here, in 5 years.
> > >
> > > It seems the ash has a strong Yang energy to it. Thats why if
you put
> > > a sprinkle of ash on something it then always dowses positive
> > > polarity. Positive polarity doe's not necessarily mean positve
energy.
> > > It means a predominance of positive polarity.  More yin than yang.
> > > What we should be aiming at is a balance of the 2.
> > >
> > > I filled the pipes with salt water and washed the whole thing with
> > > slat water and then flushed it all out with clear water. Then I
saged
> > > it, and then ran some QT energy into it. It still wasn't right.
> > >  It was Loohan who gave me the information about the too much yang
> > > energy and to try usiing Yin energy herbs on it.
> > > So I flooded the pipe with water mixed with a strong extract of Dong
> > > Quai mixed in there and washed down the whole ouside and pipes
of it.
> > > The cb liked that, it had a cooling effect on it which it seemed
to be
> > > drinking up.
> > > I made a spray bottle of the mix and spray it down  every day now
> too.
> > > I figured it may take a while for it to 'kick-in' again like it
had to
> > > when I first made it, so I am giving it time.
> > >  Today ,,, later today.. I had a glimmer of hope when I see the only
> > > part of connecticuts skies, that have some semblance of a break
in the
> > > blankets of grey glop and haze thats accumulated over the past few
> > weeks.
> > >  Of course the sprayers are right on top of it filling in the blanks
> > > as fast as they can.
> > >
> > > I think I am going to get a big plastic garbage container, take the
> > > pipes off the cb, put it all into the conatiner and fill it with
water
> > > and Dong Quai extract, and let it sit in there submerged totally
for a
> > > day or 2.
> > > I do think that will do the trick.
> > > If not, I shall be flipping.;)
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm sorry Loohan.. but like I said , I REALLY needed to get
that off
> > > > my chest and thats it. I'm done with that.
> > > >
> > > > As far as Ramanathan, I get nothing but good vibes and
> intentions from
> > > > him too.
> > > >
> > > > I am very concerned about the discrepancies in the way the
agnihotra
> > > > ceremonies are described betwween his site , and all the other
sites
> > > > out there.
> > > > I know the ash we've been using is good for nulling towers in some
> > > > way, but I am not too sure about the ash/cloudbuster combo.
> > > > My skies truly have sucked since I put a bit of ash in my
> buster, and
> > > > this is not good.
> > > >
> > > > I really wonder what ash would be like if it were obtained by
doing
> > > > the AH ceremoy as explained at Ramanathan's site.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Um, actually what i mainly wanted to invite people to
discuss was
> > > > > interesting technical aspects of agnihotra.
> > > > >
> > > > > My own participation at that other forum has slackened
> > dramatically in
> > > > > recent months, because i saw little discussion of things i deem
> > > > > important. It was largely agents, and people being nice to
> > agents, and
> > > > > well-intentioned but deluded followers of demonic "spirit
> > guides" etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > I did not want to be associated with such a forum, tried to
> > change it
> > > > > but the consensus was against me, so i formed this forum, which,
> > > > > although not very active, serves my purposes well.
> > > > >
> > > > > I do not know what's up with John, but i have never been able to
> > > > > detect any "dirt" on him. I can't find anybody evil he's
> > > > > surreptitiously working for. No places where he carves up living
> > > > > things to feed demons.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well , this is good you want to talk about this here Loohan.
> > > > > > First I have to get this off my chest, but don't want to sign
> > in at
> > > > > > the other place to voice it.
> > > > > > That place is undeserving of my views now, as far as I'm
> concerned
> > > > > > I do think John Morrison cut this off at a crucial time just
> > when we
> > > > > > were getting to the bottom of something big, or at least
> > > starting to.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I also think he left posts up that were illegal posts (by the
> > > > > > naysayers) for an awful long time which of course would
> offend the
> > > > > > people who were literally being RAGED at and namecalled. What
> > did he
> > > > > > expect? Did he really think people wouldn't defend
themselves or
> > > > > > others when he sat and allowed posts like Robs telling a
newbie
> > > to put
> > > > > > an ashball up her anus to remain for up 24 hrs uncontested by
> > > him the
> > > > > > moderator? We had to look at that all damn day and night. He
> still
> > > > > > left it up for a while even after that. He wanted everyone to
> > > get mad
> > > > > > as hornets, thats obvious, to me at least.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He stirred the flames of that fire with his
non-intervention at
> > > > > > crucial times as far as I'm concerned and it looks to me now,
> > > like it
> > > > > > was an end to a means.. His 'timed' non-action that is.
> > > > > > He can keep his cb forum, which he now seems to be steering
> into a
> > > > > > what-do-you-know-about-joecell-making forum. If I knew how to
> > make a
> > > > > > joe-cell, I certainly wouldn't be letting him in on it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I might have joined loraes new forum, but john, who just joins
> > to be
> > > > > > snoopy, watch, and not contribute any more than superficially,
> > makes
> > > > > > me feel uncomfortable.
> > > > > > Why does he have to oversee every off-shoot forum. He rarely
> talks
> > > > > > except to be condescending or repremanding to the members at
> > his own
> > > > > > forum.. so what the heck is his interest in joining everybody
> > > > > > everywhere they go anyway?
> > > > > > Oh yeah,, to encourage people not to talk in other places
and to
> > > keep
> > > > > > it in the forum, ...now I remember.
> > > > > > Well..His forum will no longer have my private thoughts added
> > to the
> > > > > > information gathered there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now he acts like hes doing good ??? when he cuts off the
> > > conversation
> > > > > > JUST as VERY IMPORTANT new discoveries come up, that NEED
to be
> > > > > > thoroughly looked at!? Information that just may lead to
> > tossing the
> > > > > > whole agnihotra deal out on its ass?
> > > > > > Nicely timed again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, I'm pissed about what was allowed to transpire there, and
> > > anybody
> > > > > > who cares,,, can read all about it here.
> > > > > > I broke my own rule of not joining anymore forums when I
> > joined here
> > > > > > at Loohans. I joined here because I had no doubts of my
"safety"
> > > here.
> > > > > > Not one doubt, ....and I can't say that for any other
forum out
> > > there.
> > > > > > Nancy
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@>
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > is not a banned subject on this forum.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In fact, i would like to bring up a post of Kneweyes from
> the cb
> > > > > forum:
> > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudbusters/message/23143
> in case
> > > > > > > anyone wants to discuss it someplace where such
discussion is
> > > > allowed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have checked out this Ramanathan guy, and get the
impression
> > > he is
> > > > > > > indeed a master, and his AH has a markedly superior
energy to
> > > > what the
> > > > > > > rest of us have been doing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Yeah, well, some of us still believe that ash is a premier additive to
orgonite mix.

I have also been using yin ingredients and turmeric in the mix for a
long time, too, though. Silver, pearls, selenite, water, calcite...
especially for stuff that will be around humans.

--- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@...> wrote:
>
> Wow, this is a great report Loohan, and confirms what I have recently
> learned.
> That is to not add ash to something that is already producing healing,
> living energy... but only to negative energy producers.
> I personally wont add ash to orgonite now after learning this, or to
> anything already doing just fine without it.
> And it makes total sense that the women don't wear ash... unless
> offset, and balanced with the red tumeric.
>  I just love it when everything comes together like this and makes
> such sense :)
>
>
> --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@> wrote:
> >
> > OK, my Indian friend writes:
> >
> > > I have done AH ceremony several times, as recently in Feb. of this
> > year at Benares, on the 9th 10th, 11th and 12th day after my mother
> > passed away for easy transition. It is not AH, but a homa
> > ceremony.Except for chants and timing the process is the same.
> >
> > The priest is well read scholar. He said do not add any grass, and do
> > it on the ground, put sand and use bricks [loohan's note: i think this
> > means a ziggurat of stacked bricks IN LIEU OF a copper one].
> >
> > There are 2 schools: One is Sama Veda type and the other is Yajurveda
> > type.
> > By birth I am a yajurveda type of Brahmin from one Andhra Pradesh and
> > the way it is done is a bit different. One active ingredient I find
> > missing is the offerings for AH ceremony are always sweet.  By adding
> > Jaggery(molasses) or now a days sugar. added and boiled with milk and
> > rice.Never done after sun sets
> >
> > Copper pyramids are a modern invention.
> >
> > The one from Homas from Atharvana Veda and others are done for
> > personal gains. There are also variations to generate evil destructive
> > energy, but the chants are totally different.the offereings are
> > totally different including blood and flesh and some evil herbs etc.
> >
> > When I went to India last year, when my mother was alive she said
> >
> > "When we drilled deep to get subterranean water for our home, My
> > father who was alive then added some ash to the steel pipe bored in to
> > the ground and the water dried up" and my mother  scolded my father
> > left and right.
> >
> >  Finally my father added some turmeric and the red kumkum powder and
> > the water started flowing back.
> >
> > The ash is used primarily to draw negative energy. Its energy is
> > Purely Yang hot, masculine energy.
> >
> > If you observe Indian gods or read Indian my theology none of the
> > females wear ash. Few of them who wear it always balance it with red
> > powder(red turmeric)
> > [turmeric is made red, and its energy enhanced, by adding a calcium
> > compound and heating]
> >
> > It [ash] is applied to the body or sprinkled with chants to energy
> > clear a house etc.
> >
> > When I told few of my friends about mud balls they have some
> > reservations about adding to water. Such as rivers, canals and tanks.
> > They say it is not meant for that.
> > But it has a place to remove negative energy.
> >
> >  --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@> wrote:
> > >
> > > What i'd mentioned is that my Indian friend had said that when
he was
> > > a boy, his dad put ash in the well, and it dried up. Then his
mom put
> > > in something with female energy, and it started flowing again.
> > >
> > > However, many people claim to have found ash mud-balls good for
> > > breaking droughts.
> > >
> > > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It seems the ash has a strong Yang energy to it. Thats why if
> you put
> > > > a sprinkle of ash on something it then always dowses positive
> > > > polarity. Positive polarity doe's not necessarily mean positve
> energy.
> > > > It means a predominance of positive polarity.  More yin than yang.
> > > > What we should be aiming at is a balance of the 2.
> > > >
> > > > I filled the pipes with salt water and washed the whole thing with
> > > > slat water and then flushed it all out with clear water. Then I
> saged
> > > > it, and then ran some QT energy into it. It still wasn't right.
> > > >  It was Loohan who gave me the information about the too much yang
> > > > energy and to try usiing Yin energy herbs on it.
> > >
> >
>

Well, is't that Something!
Maybe it's herbs that are good for women going through 'the change of
life' that also work for the dead cbs. I don't know, but it did work!

I'm glad to hear that you find ash a good additive to orgonite loohan.
I have no personal experience in that because I never added ash, so I
really can't give an experiential opinion on that. I do believe you
though.

--- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@...> wrote:
>
> "Damiana  male/yang  Mars  Fire"
> http://www.circle-of-light.com/Herbs/herb-properties-AtoK.html
>
> But if it works, what the hey!
>
> --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@> wrote:
> >
> > Hmm, when I went searching for yin energy herbs, dong quai kept
> > popping up and I just happened to have some so I used that.
> > I also had some Damiana extract, which I haven't done a seach to find
> > out if it was yin, but it seems to be the thing thats doing the trick!
> > Damiana.
> >
> > Thank You for the prescripton sittingtaoist!
> > If I see a slowing down in her recovery, I'll try that.. but things
> > are finally starting to look better here.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "sittingtaoist"
> > <sittingtaoist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dong Quai is not a yin herb, in fact it is on the warm side,
belonging
> > > to the group called "Herbs that tonify the blood".
> > >
> > > Now, I have not prescribed for a CB before, but the first thing I
> > > would try would be a salt with a very yin (cold) energy, like
> > > Glauber's Salt (sodium sulfate) or Epsom Salt (magnesium
sulfate). The
> > > latter is the one used in Hulda Clark's liver cleanse.
> > >
> > > Both are easily dissolved in water.
> > >
> > > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't like to have to write this, and I hope Al doesn't take it
> > > > personally because I HAVE to write this.
> > > > My Cloud-buster was not working at all these past few weeks
The one
> > > > with the 200 miles radius that keeps connecticut clear died
after I
> > > > put a tiny bit of Al's ash in it.
> > > >  I was hoping it was the humidity, because they do manage to get
> a few
> > > > trails to stick on humid days. We have  had a hazy grey white
> out for
> > > > 3 weeks here and this is NOT normal at all for this area. My cb
> takes
> > > > care of it. I havent seen skies like this here, in 5 years.
> > > >
> > > > It seems the ash has a strong Yang energy to it. Thats why if
> you put
> > > > a sprinkle of ash on something it then always dowses positive
> > > > polarity. Positive polarity doe's not necessarily mean positve
> energy.
> > > > It means a predominance of positive polarity.  More yin than yang.
> > > > What we should be aiming at is a balance of the 2.
> > > >
> > > > I filled the pipes with salt water and washed the whole thing with
> > > > slat water and then flushed it all out with clear water. Then I
> saged
> > > > it, and then ran some QT energy into it. It still wasn't right.
> > > >  It was Loohan who gave me the information about the too much yang
> > > > energy and to try usiing Yin energy herbs on it.
> > > > So I flooded the pipe with water mixed with a strong extract
of Dong
> > > > Quai mixed in there and washed down the whole ouside and pipes
> of it.
> > > > The cb liked that, it had a cooling effect on it which it seemed
> to be
> > > > drinking up.
> > > > I made a spray bottle of the mix and spray it down  every day now
> > too.
> > > > I figured it may take a while for it to 'kick-in' again like it
> had to
> > > > when I first made it, so I am giving it time.
> > > >  Today ,,, later today.. I had a glimmer of hope when I see
the only
> > > > part of connecticuts skies, that have some semblance of a break
> in the
> > > > blankets of grey glop and haze thats accumulated over the past few
> > > weeks.
> > > >  Of course the sprayers are right on top of it filling in the
blanks
> > > > as fast as they can.
> > > >
> > > > I think I am going to get a big plastic garbage container,
take the
> > > > pipes off the cb, put it all into the conatiner and fill it with
> water
> > > > and Dong Quai extract, and let it sit in there submerged totally
> for a
> > > > day or 2.
> > > > I do think that will do the trick.
> > > > If not, I shall be flipping.;)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm sorry Loohan.. but like I said , I REALLY needed to get
> that off
> > > > > my chest and thats it. I'm done with that.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as Ramanathan, I get nothing but good vibes and
> > intentions from
> > > > > him too.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am very concerned about the discrepancies in the way the
> agnihotra
> > > > > ceremonies are described betwween his site , and all the other
> sites
> > > > > out there.
> > > > > I know the ash we've been using is good for nulling towers
in some
> > > > > way, but I am not too sure about the ash/cloudbuster combo.
> > > > > My skies truly have sucked since I put a bit of ash in my
> > buster, and
> > > > > this is not good.
> > > > >
> > > > > I really wonder what ash would be like if it were obtained by
> doing
> > > > > the AH ceremoy as explained at Ramanathan's site.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@>
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Um, actually what i mainly wanted to invite people to
> discuss was
> > > > > > interesting technical aspects of agnihotra.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My own participation at that other forum has slackened
> > > dramatically in
> > > > > > recent months, because i saw little discussion of things i
deem
> > > > > > important. It was largely agents, and people being nice to
> > > agents, and
> > > > > > well-intentioned but deluded followers of demonic "spirit
> > > guides" etc.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I did not want to be associated with such a forum, tried to
> > > change it
> > > > > > but the consensus was against me, so i formed this forum,
which,
> > > > > > although not very active, serves my purposes well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I do not know what's up with John, but i have never been
able to
> > > > > > detect any "dirt" on him. I can't find anybody evil he's
> > > > > > surreptitiously working for. No places where he carves up
living
> > > > > > things to feed demons.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes"
<mscrumblebee@>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well , this is good you want to talk about this here Loohan.
> > > > > > > First I have to get this off my chest, but don't want to
sign
> > > in at
> > > > > > > the other place to voice it.
> > > > > > > That place is undeserving of my views now, as far as I'm
> > concerned
> > > > > > > I do think John Morrison cut this off at a crucial time just
> > > when we
> > > > > > > were getting to the bottom of something big, or at least
> > > > starting to.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I also think he left posts up that were illegal posts
(by the
> > > > > > > naysayers) for an awful long time which of course would
> > offend the
> > > > > > > people who were literally being RAGED at and namecalled.
What
> > > did he
> > > > > > > expect? Did he really think people wouldn't defend
> themselves or
> > > > > > > others when he sat and allowed posts like Robs telling a
> newbie
> > > > to put
> > > > > > > an ashball up her anus to remain for up 24 hrs
uncontested by
> > > > him the
> > > > > > > moderator? We had to look at that all damn day and night. He
> > still
> > > > > > > left it up for a while even after that. He wanted
everyone to
> > > > get mad
> > > > > > > as hornets, thats obvious, to me at least.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > He stirred the flames of that fire with his
> non-intervention at
> > > > > > > crucial times as far as I'm concerned and it looks to me
now,
> > > > like it
> > > > > > > was an end to a means.. His 'timed' non-action that is.
> > > > > > > He can keep his cb forum, which he now seems to be steering
> > into a
> > > > > > > what-do-you-know-about-joecell-making forum. If I knew
how to
> > > make a
> > > > > > > joe-cell, I certainly wouldn't be letting him in on it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I might have joined loraes new forum, but john, who just
joins
> > > to be
> > > > > > > snoopy, watch, and not contribute any more than
superficially,
> > > makes
> > > > > > > me feel uncomfortable.
> > > > > > > Why does he have to oversee every off-shoot forum. He rarely
> > talks
> > > > > > > except to be condescending or repremanding to the members at
> > > his own
> > > > > > > forum.. so what the heck is his interest in joining
everybody
> > > > > > > everywhere they go anyway?
> > > > > > > Oh yeah,, to encourage people not to talk in other places
> and to
> > > > keep
> > > > > > > it in the forum, ...now I remember.
> > > > > > > Well..His forum will no longer have my private thoughts
added
> > > to the
> > > > > > > information gathered there.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now he acts like hes doing good ??? when he cuts off the
> > > > conversation
> > > > > > > JUST as VERY IMPORTANT new discoveries come up, that NEED
> to be
> > > > > > > thoroughly looked at!? Information that just may lead to
> > > tossing the
> > > > > > > whole agnihotra deal out on its ass?
> > > > > > > Nicely timed again.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, I'm pissed about what was allowed to transpire
there, and
> > > > anybody
> > > > > > > who cares,,, can read all about it here.
> > > > > > > I broke my own rule of not joining anymore forums when I
> > > joined here
> > > > > > > at Loohans. I joined here because I had no doubts of my
> "safety"
> > > > here.
> > > > > > > Not one doubt, ....and I can't say that for any other
> forum out
> > > > there.
> > > > > > > Nancy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > is not a banned subject on this forum.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In fact, i would like to bring up a post of Kneweyes from
> > the cb
> > > > > > forum:
> > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudbusters/message/23143
> > in case
> > > > > > > > anyone wants to discuss it someplace where such
> discussion is
> > > > > allowed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have checked out this Ramanathan guy, and get the
> impression
> > > > he is
> > > > > > > > indeed a master, and his AH has a markedly superior
> energy to
> > > > > what the
> > > > > > > > rest of us have been doing.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

If this helps:
    I dowsed that ash should only go into orgonite if it's a tower gift.  Harold



kneweyes <mscrumblebee@...> wrote:
           Wow, this is a great report Loohan, and confirms what I have recently
learned.
That is to not add ash to something that is already producing healing,
living energy... but only to negative energy producers.
I personally wont add ash to orgonite now after learning this, or to
anything already doing just fine without it.
And it makes total sense that the women don't wear ash... unless
offset, and balanced with the red tumeric.
I just love it when everything comes together like this and makes
such sense :)

--- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@...> wrote:
>
> OK, my Indian friend writes:
>
> > I have done AH ceremony several times, as recently in Feb. of this
> year at Benares, on the 9th 10th, 11th and 12th day after my mother
> passed away for easy transition. It is not AH, but a homa
> ceremony.Except for chants and timing the process is the same.
>
> The priest is well read scholar. He said do not add any grass, and do
> it on the ground, put sand and use bricks [loohan's note: i think this
> means a ziggurat of stacked bricks IN LIEU OF a copper one].
>
> There are 2 schools: One is Sama Veda type and the other is Yajurveda
> type.
> By birth I am a yajurveda type of Brahmin from one Andhra Pradesh and
> the way it is done is a bit different. One active ingredient I find
> missing is the offerings for AH ceremony are always sweet. By adding
> Jaggery(molasses) or now a days sugar. added and boiled with milk and
> rice.Never done after sun sets
>
> Copper pyramids are a modern invention.
>
> The one from Homas from Atharvana Veda and others are done for
> personal gains. There are also variations to generate evil destructive
> energy, but the chants are totally different.the offereings are
> totally different including blood and flesh and some evil herbs etc.
>
> When I went to India last year, when my mother was alive she said
>
> "When we drilled deep to get subterranean water for our home, My
> father who was alive then added some ash to the steel pipe bored in to
> the ground and the water dried up" and my mother scolded my father
> left and right.
>
> Finally my father added some turmeric and the red kumkum powder and
> the water started flowing back.
>
> The ash is used primarily to draw negative energy. Its energy is
> Purely Yang hot, masculine energy.
>
> If you observe Indian gods or read Indian my theology none of the
> females wear ash. Few of them who wear it always balance it with red
> powder(red turmeric)
> [turmeric is made red, and its energy enhanced, by adding a calcium
> compound and heating]
>
> It [ash] is applied to the body or sprinkled with chants to energy
> clear a house etc.
>
> When I told few of my friends about mud balls they have some
> reservations about adding to water. Such as rivers, canals and tanks.
> They say it is not meant for that.
> But it has a place to remove negative energy.
>
> --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@> wrote:
> >
> > What i'd mentioned is that my Indian friend had said that when he was
> > a boy, his dad put ash in the well, and it dried up. Then his mom put
> > in something with female energy, and it started flowing again.
> >
> > However, many people claim to have found ash mud-balls good for
> > breaking droughts.
> >
> > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > It seems the ash has a strong Yang energy to it. Thats why if
you put
> > > a sprinkle of ash on something it then always dowses positive
> > > polarity. Positive polarity doe's not necessarily mean positve
energy.
> > > It means a predominance of positive polarity. More yin than yang.
> > > What we should be aiming at is a balance of the 2.
> > >
> > > I filled the pipes with salt water and washed the whole thing with
> > > slat water and then flushed it all out with clear water. Then I
saged
> > > it, and then ran some QT energy into it. It still wasn't right.
> > > It was Loohan who gave me the information about the too much yang
> > > energy and to try usiing Yin energy herbs on it.
> >
>






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Again.. this doesn't surprise me either, because that ash sure works
good on towers.
--- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, Harold <me_harold@...> wrote:
>
>  If this helps:
>    I dowsed that ash should only go into orgonite if it's a tower
gift.  Harold
>
>
>
> kneweyes <mscrumblebee@...> wrote:
>           Wow, this is a great report Loohan, and confirms what I
have recently
> learned.
> That is to not add ash to something that is already producing healing,
> living energy... but only to negative energy producers.
> I personally wont add ash to orgonite now after learning this, or to
> anything already doing just fine without it.
> And it makes total sense that the women don't wear ash... unless
> offset, and balanced with the red tumeric.
> I just love it when everything comes together like this and makes
> such sense :)
>
> --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@> wrote:
> >
> > OK, my Indian friend writes:
> >
> > > I have done AH ceremony several times, as recently in Feb. of this
> > year at Benares, on the 9th 10th, 11th and 12th day after my mother
> > passed away for easy transition. It is not AH, but a homa
> > ceremony.Except for chants and timing the process is the same.
> >
> > The priest is well read scholar. He said do not add any grass, and do
> > it on the ground, put sand and use bricks [loohan's note: i think this
> > means a ziggurat of stacked bricks IN LIEU OF a copper one].
> >
> > There are 2 schools: One is Sama Veda type and the other is Yajurveda
> > type.
> > By birth I am a yajurveda type of Brahmin from one Andhra Pradesh and
> > the way it is done is a bit different. One active ingredient I find
> > missing is the offerings for AH ceremony are always sweet. By adding
> > Jaggery(molasses) or now a days sugar. added and boiled with milk and
> > rice.Never done after sun sets
> >
> > Copper pyramids are a modern invention.
> >
> > The one from Homas from Atharvana Veda and others are done for
> > personal gains. There are also variations to generate evil destructive
> > energy, but the chants are totally different.the offereings are
> > totally different including blood and flesh and some evil herbs etc.
> >
> > When I went to India last year, when my mother was alive she said
> >
> > "When we drilled deep to get subterranean water for our home, My
> > father who was alive then added some ash to the steel pipe bored in to
> > the ground and the water dried up" and my mother scolded my father
> > left and right.
> >
> > Finally my father added some turmeric and the red kumkum powder and
> > the water started flowing back.
> >
> > The ash is used primarily to draw negative energy. Its energy is
> > Purely Yang hot, masculine energy.
> >
> > If you observe Indian gods or read Indian my theology none of the
> > females wear ash. Few of them who wear it always balance it with red
> > powder(red turmeric)
> > [turmeric is made red, and its energy enhanced, by adding a calcium
> > compound and heating]
> >
> > It [ash] is applied to the body or sprinkled with chants to energy
> > clear a house etc.
> >
> > When I told few of my friends about mud balls they have some
> > reservations about adding to water. Such as rivers, canals and tanks.
> > They say it is not meant for that.
> > But it has a place to remove negative energy.
> >
> > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@> wrote:
> > >
> > > What i'd mentioned is that my Indian friend had said that when
he was
> > > a boy, his dad put ash in the well, and it dried up. Then his
mom put
> > > in something with female energy, and it started flowing again.
> > >
> > > However, many people claim to have found ash mud-balls good for
> > > breaking droughts.
> > >
> > > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It seems the ash has a strong Yang energy to it. Thats why if
> you put
> > > > a sprinkle of ash on something it then always dowses positive
> > > > polarity. Positive polarity doe's not necessarily mean positve
> energy.
> > > > It means a predominance of positive polarity. More yin than yang.
> > > > What we should be aiming at is a balance of the 2.
> > > >
> > > > I filled the pipes with salt water and washed the whole thing with
> > > > slat water and then flushed it all out with clear water. Then I
> saged
> > > > it, and then ran some QT energy into it. It still wasn't right.
> > > > It was Loohan who gave me the information about the too much yang
> > > > energy and to try usiing Yin energy herbs on it.
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Ramming speed!"    Captain Nemo
>
> ---------------------------------
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>  Everyone is raving about the  all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Dong Quai is to women what Ren Shen (in Japanese: Ginseng) in to men,
because while men generally suffer from a deficiency of qi, women
generally suffer from a deficiency of Blood.

In TCM, Blood - with a capital B - is a denser qi, not exactly the
same as the body fluid blood.

Apart from being moderately warm, Dong Quai has a strongly Blood
nourishing quality, and being aromatic, it also moves qi and Blood.

Being nourishing, moistening, and moving, I imagine that it
counteracts the drying quality of the ash, rather than its hot
quality, at the same time breaking up energy stagnation.

DOR can be seen as stagnant orgone - stagnant qi.

And being so learned in herb lore, of course I forgot to mention the
most important yin remedy: Water.


--- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@...> wrote:
>
> Well, is't that Something!
> Maybe it's herbs that are good for women going through 'the change of
> life' that also work for the dead cbs. I don't know, but it did work!
>
> I'm glad to hear that you find ash a good additive to orgonite loohan.
> I have no personal experience in that because I never added ash, so I
> really can't give an experiential opinion on that. I do believe you
> though.
>
> --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@> wrote:
> >
> > "Damiana  male/yang  Mars  Fire"
> > http://www.circle-of-light.com/Herbs/herb-properties-AtoK.html
> >
> > But if it works, what the hey!
> >
> > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "kneweyes" <mscrumblebee@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hmm, when I went searching for yin energy herbs, dong quai kept
> > > popping up and I just happened to have some so I used that.
> > > I also had some Damiana extract, which I haven't done a seach to
find
> > > out if it was yin, but it seems to be the thing thats doing the
trick!
> > > Damiana.
> > >
> > > Thank You for the prescripton sittingtaoist!
> > > If I see a slowing down in her recovery, I'll try that.. but things
> > > are finally starting to look better here.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "sittingtaoist"
> > > <sittingtaoist@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dong Quai is not a yin herb, in fact it is on the warm side,
> belonging
> > > > to the group called "Herbs that tonify the blood".
> > > >
> > > > Now, I have not prescribed for a CB before, but the first thing I
> > > > would try would be a salt with a very yin (cold) energy, like
> > > > Glauber's Salt (sodium sulfate) or Epsom Salt (magnesium
> sulfate). The
> > > > latter is the one used in Hulda Clark's liver cleanse.
> > > >
> > > > Both are easily dissolved in water.
> > > >

Hi,
    I am new to this list and am enjoying the reading. Quite interesting. I had a
person send
me an inquiry about the ash ceremony and I am unable to answer her. I know any
of
you  here could answer her questions. She does own a cow I know.

                                                                   Anita

   G'day Anita,

   I'm just wondering whether the cow dung you use is what you've dried yourself.
The reason I'm asking is that I've dried dung from our own cows, but I'll be
darned if I can get the dung to burn right away to pure ash, which I'm told is
what it has to do to be real agnihotra.  Well, I can get it to burn right away
but I have to plaster both sides with ghee and I find the ash then seems to be
somewhat greasy.

   If I don't plaster it with ghee, I end up with small lumps of unburnt dung.

   Does the dung need to be 'aged' before using - I've used dung that has dried
in a week or so, perhaps it needs to be older???

   Anyway, I just thought I'd write and ask, and thanks for any help!

   Nancy


   .




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The drier the better. All the dung i've tried requires lots of ghee
and doesn't seem to burn so much as act as a wick for ghee. But if
it's real dry it works better. I usually get little lumps left over.

I suspect one factor is that if the poop has set around a while on the
ground getting wet at times before harvest, a lot of the cellulose
will have been broken down by micro-organisms, leaving less cellulose
fuel to burn, and more dead bacteria, fungi, etc. as well as changing
the consistency of the substance to a denser, fine-grit compost clump.

A while back someone posted on the cb forum that they got some great
turds from Al that burned really nicely. I suspect proper handling
made the difference.

--- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "anita grayson" <terra13@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>    I am new to this list and am enjoying the reading. Quite
interesting. I had a person send
> me an inquiry about the ash ceremony and I am unable to answer her.
I know any of
> you  here could answer her questions. She does own a cow I know.
>
>                                                                   Anita
>
>   G'day Anita,
>
>   I'm just wondering whether the cow dung you use is what you've
dried yourself.  The reason I'm asking is that I've dried dung from
our own cows, but I'll be darned if I can get the dung to burn right
away to pure ash, which I'm told is what it has to do to be real
agnihotra.  Well, I can get it to burn right away but I have to
plaster both sides with ghee and I find the ash then seems to be
somewhat greasy.
>
>   If I don't plaster it with ghee, I end up with small lumps of
unburnt dung.
>
>   Does the dung need to be 'aged' before using - I've used dung that
has dried in a week or so, perhaps it needs to be older???
>
>   Anyway, I just thought I'd write and ask, and thanks for any help!
>
>   Nancy
>
>
>   .
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

The following is from my Indian friend. I have not yet checked into
Bardon much. There is a lot of info on the web, and probably pretty
interesting. Bardon does not seem to have been a black magician.

The symbols he refers to are the tatwas, i think. These are ancient
Indian symbols of the elements. I have uploaded the 4 original ones to
> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/destroy_evil/photos/browse/dc5e .
It is probably best to use only the water and earth ones, to avoid
ccreating imbalances.

      *     *     *

Ramanathans information and his site are fine.
Franz Bardon's books makes specific recommendations about materials
that can be added for boosting earth and water elements. He does not
advise ether, fire elements.I guess adding these earth and water
elements to cbs may enhance them.
Some one tried that already.( Australia for draught).His technic is
simple.I see no reason why it can not work with CB here.I will try
that one of these days with Radionics.
Basically it involves using the symbols for water and earth
elements,Use a aerial photograph as a trend. Make a packet of earth
and water element materials in a Paper packet. Draw a picture( cartoon
-doodle) of rain failing.,visualizing and turn the machine on..
If prevention of draught is the airm it can be adopted to cloud
busters also.
Bardon(Franz) and this Gentlemen mentions one can create draught,and
forest fires  with fire elements, cyclones and tornados with air
element materials, fires and dry spells using fire element.
I think Ash got a place with organite. When there is too much of
negative energy, I think ash in a packet or in a cloth bag can be
taped to organite or cloud -busters for clearing the excess of
negative energy and clearing the organite itself.
I did add ash to polluted dirty rivers, court houses, police stations,
drainage canals,in India.,  but on the basis of advise given to me
never to healthy rivers..Ash does reduce swelling, reduces
inflammation and helps sick people.It is my personal observation. It
is also a cheap alkalizer.But It is not like one medications for all
diseases.or good for all.
There is one another post of adding a kind of performance accessory to
cloud busters, organite and radionics.That is magnetron arrangement,
by adding at least 18 organite donuts or small chunks of orgainte or
even crystals in a circular arrangement around the CB, rad box etc.But
no mention is made whether to connect the peripheral discs with a
copper wire to the central object.Several people who tried that posted
it works.

Loohon,
        Thanks for the info. Person of inquiry will thank you too.


                                                 Anita




   The drier the better. All the dung i've tried requires lots of ghee
   and doesn't seem to burn so much as act as a wick for ghee. But if
   it's real dry it works better. I usually get little lumps left over.

   I suspect one factor is that if the poop has set around a while on the
   ground getting wet at times before harvest, a lot of the cellulose
   will have been broken down by micro-organisms, leaving less cellulose
   fuel to burn, and more dead bacteria, fungi, etc. as well as changing
   the consistency of the substance to a denser, fine-grit compost clump.

   A while back someone posted on the cb forum that they got some great
   turds from Al that burned really nicely. I suspect proper handling
   made the difference.

   --- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com<mailto:destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com>,
"anita grayson" <terra13@...> wrote:
   >
   > Hi,
   > I am new to this list and am enjoying the reading. Quite
   interesting. I had a person send
   > me an inquiry about the ash ceremony and I am unable to answer her.
   I know any of
   > you here could answer her questions. She does own a cow I know.
   >
   > Anita
   >
   > G'day Anita,
   >
   > I'm just wondering whether the cow dung you use is what you've
   dried yourself. The reason I'm asking is that I've dried dung from
   our own cows, but I'll be darned if I can get the dung to burn right
   away to pure ash, which I'm told is what it has to do to be real
   agnihotra. Well, I can get it to burn right away but I have to
   plaster both sides with ghee and I find the ash then seems to be
   somewhat greasy.
   >
   > If I don't plaster it with ghee, I end up with small lumps of
   unburnt dung.
   >
   > Does the dung need to be 'aged' before using - I've used dung that
   has dried in a week or so, perhaps it needs to be older???
   >
   > Anyway, I just thought I'd write and ask, and thanks for any help!
   >
   > Nancy
   >
   >
   > .
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
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   >
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   >





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Hello All! IMHO:

You'll find within the Sanatan Dharma, there are as many ways to do
different ceremonies as there are villages. Regional differences abound,
and there is always infighting, if I can use the term, about the
"correct" way to do things.

As for Agnihotra as prescribed by Gajanan Maharaj, it WILL do this:
"The positive effects of Agnihotra are an outcome of simultaneous
functioning of many subtle scientific principles, such as, effect of
chanting of specific sounds on the atmosphere and mind, energies
emanating from the pyramid- shape, nutritional effects of burning the
medicinal ingredients, effects of the bio-rhythms etc.
Agnihotra balances the cycle of nature and nourishes the human life.
It creates pure, clean and medicinal atmosphere.
It cleanses the negative effects of pollution."
From http://www.agnihotraindia.com/Disciplines.asp

Other effects of and uses for the Ash are at the users' discretion.
The ceremony packs a pretty big wallop, and the Ash maintains and
broadcasts a fairly high freq. So, by nature it'll be Yang, don'tcha
know. How you use that flow is the crux of the matter.

As for the use of Ash in CB's, and other devices, dowse it first!
(Or however you get your information.)
People have a tendency to just throw everything in the cupboard into
their Orgonite; myself included. But we are dealing with freqs and
energy flows here, and "task specific" pieces of Orgonite need to be
designed with the desired results in mind.

archie


--- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@...> wrote:
>
> is not a banned subject on this forum.
>
> In fact, i would like to bring up a post of Kneweyes from the cb
forum:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudbusters/message/23143 in case
> anyone wants to discuss it someplace where such discussion is allowed.
>
> I have checked out this Ramanathan guy, and get the impression he is
> indeed a master, and his AH has a markedly superior energy to what the
> rest of us have been doing.
>

G'day Archie

> People have a tendency to just throw everything in the cupboard into
> their Orgonite; myself included. But we are dealing with freqs and
This is one of the things I have been privately concerned about for some
time.  Whenever we get something new that works for something (ie towers)
everyone jumps on it and suddenly it HAS to be a standard ingredient in
everything.

It's like mixing colours, if you mix colours just right you will get a
beautiful sky blue (My daughter could tell you exactly what to use she
paints in oils).  BUT IF you mix every colour you have in the paint box you
end up with a gray mess.

L&L
John

I want to formally apologise to John morrison for that awful post I
wrote earlier in the heat of the moment.
I do understand why he had to stop ash-talk. Nobody could hear over
all the yelling and screaming anyway.
  I do understand why he hardly posts but still loves to read what
going on in our worlds he's been a part of for so long.
I'm glad I don't run the forum. That way I can say what I want, but he
isn't offered that luxury. He has to remain as unbiased as he can, no
matter what his own personal veiws are.  He would get jumped on harder
than any of us because he runs the yahoo cb forum with all those
members and he's supposed to remain un-opinionated. Thats a tall order
and I sure couldn't fill it.
You do a good job over there John.
  I do understand John , and I apologise for losing my cool.
Sincerely,
Nancy

I get that there are 21 bad ET craft floating around Earth right now.
I'm working on the beings inside them. My Venusian friends are on home
leave or something right now, so no instant gratification can be
expected from them.

The name "Lyrans" comes to mind. Thought i'd float it out there, see
what y'all think.

Give 'em a jolt, anyway.

Thanks Nancy
	 That brought a tear to my eye.  I've never had anyone actually say
sorry for misinterpreting what I've had to do.

THANKS

L&L
John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of kneweyes
> Sent: Saturday, 8 July 2006 2:20 PM
> To: destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [destroy_evil] Sorry John
>
> I want to formally apologise to John morrison for that awful post I
> wrote earlier in the heat of the moment.
> I do understand why he had to stop ash-talk. Nobody could hear over
> all the yelling and screaming anyway.
>  I do understand why he hardly posts but still loves to read what
> going on in our worlds he's been a part of for so long.
> I'm glad I don't run the forum. That way I can say what I want, but he
> isn't offered that luxury. He has to remain as unbiased as he can, no
> matter what his own personal veiws are.  He would get jumped on harder
> than any of us because he runs the yahoo cb forum with all those
> members and he's supposed to remain un-opinionated. Thats a tall order
> andnd I sure couldn't fill it.
> You do a good job over there John.
>  I do understand John , and I apologise for losing my cool.
> Sincerely,
> Nancy

Well, haven't done it in a while, but it's my forte: I charged up their
crystals and drained their batteries. Turns out there were a bunch more
insystem. Silly E.T's, tricks are for kids.

Guess I better keep a better eye on the sky, but I've been busy. Thanks
for the "heads up", Loohan.

Archie

--- In destroy_evil@yahoogroups.com, "loohon" <dogwood57@...> wrote:
>
> I get that there are 21 bad ET craft floating around Earth right now.
> I'm working on the beings inside them. My Venusian friends are on home
> leave or something right now, so no instant gratification can be
> expected from them.
>
> The name "Lyrans" comes to mind. Thought i'd float it out there, see
> what y'all think.
>
> Give 'em a jolt, anyway.
>