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#7295 From: "apakhana" <Essohbe@...>
Date: Fri Oct 8, 2010 1:12 am
Subject: Anyone want these?
apakhana
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:::THE FOUR ENOCHIAN MAGICK ELEMENTAL TABLETS:::

I may get different ones, so I am selling 4 handcrafted and built-to-spec
elemental tablets for use with the "Watchtowers."
These magickal supplies are crafted from 1/4" birch plywood and have the
insignias of each elemental watchtower burnt into the top.
The grid of each speciffic tablet is burnt into one-inch-by-one-inch squares
below the tablet's insignia and has the enochian letters burnt/recessed into the
appropriate squares as per the GREAT TABLE version as given by Archangel Raphael
to Edward Kelly, so no square has Dee's double-lettering.

All together this includes the watchtower of Fire, Water, Earth and Air.

Each has been stained with the following colors:

Water - Blue
Air- Yellow
Fire - Red
Earth - Brownish ("Dark Walnut")

All then sealed in laquer.

Again, these are NOT ENGLISH letters. They are the Enochian letters.

I'm selling all four for $45 shipped.

Take 'em or leave 'em. Email me if interested: essohbe@...

#7296 From: chris@...
Date: Sat Oct 16, 2010 4:00 pm
Subject: Re: Anyone want these?
cor_flammae
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Check your email.

#7297 From: ashley beebe <dastree07770@...>
Date: Sat Oct 16, 2010 4:44 pm
Subject: Re: Anyone want these?
dastree07770
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nothing here



________________________________
From: "chris@..." <chris@...>
To: enochian@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, October 16, 2010 11:00:41 AM
Subject: Re: [enochian] Anyone want these?


Check your email.






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#7298 From: chris@...
Date: Sun Oct 17, 2010 2:00 pm
Subject: Re: Anyone want these?
cor_flammae
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On 10/16/2010 11:44 AM, ashley beebe wrote:
> nothing here

Are you Akhpana/Essohbe?

- C

#7299 From: Fir <fir@...>
Date: Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:42 pm
Subject: Anyone want these?
fir@...
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On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 chris wrote:

>   Check your email.

<chuckle>  I didn't think those would last long.

All best, Fir

#7300 From: "cor_flammae" <chris@...>
Date: Thu Nov 4, 2010 12:12 am
Subject: Re: A 19 day working
cor_flammae
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Christian:

Is it ok with you if I quote this post below (with credit, of course!) in an
article I'm doing?

WILL / LOVE

- CP

--- In enochian@yahoogroups.com, Christian Velin <christian.velin@...> wrote:
>
> I know there has been quite an interest in the 19 day working here on
> the list, so I will detail my experiences here for you.
>
> First of all, the basic instructions are easy enough. Dee was told to
> make a book, detailing the hierarchy and its functions. The first 4 days
> are to be spent calling the banners of the watchtowers, the next 14 days
> are to be spent calling the rest of the hierarchy, and the last day the
> magician/mystic will be instructed in the use of the watchtowers.
>
> I constructed the following ritual:
> Day 1-4: Prayer to God, using the four holy names from the Linea
> Spiritus Sancti.
> Day 5: Prayer to the kings.
> Day 6: Prayer to the elders.
> Day 7: Prayer to the angels of joining (20 angels above the crosses of
> sub quarter 1).
> Day 8: Prayer to the angels of traveling (20 angels above the crosses of
> sub quarter 2).
> Day 9: Prayer to the angels of mechanical crafts (20 angels above the
> crosses of sub quarter 3).
> Day 10: Prayer to the angels of all human knowledge (20 angels above the
> crosses of sub quarter 4).
> Day 11: Prayer to the ruler and commander of sub quarter 1 (8 angels in
> the crosses of sub quarter 1).
> Day 12: Prayer to the ruler and commander of sub quarter 2 (8 angels in
> the crosses of sub quarter 2).
> Day 13: Prayer to the ruler and commander of sub quarter 3 (8 angels in
> the crosses of sub quarter 3).
> Day 14: Prayer to the ruler and commander of sub quarter 4 (8 angels in
> the crosses of sub quarter 4).
> Day 15: Prayer to the angels of medicine (16 angels below the crosses of
> sub quarter 1).
> Day 16: Prayer to the angels of metals and stones (16 angels below the
> crosses of sub quarter 2).
> Day 17: Prayer to the angels of transformation (16 angels below the
> crosses of sub quarter 3).
> Day 18: Prayer to the angels of the elements (16 angels below the
> crosses of sub quarter 4).
> Day 19: Rest, meditation and prayers to God.
>
> I disregarded the rules of never using the book for anything else
> besides the prayers and the functions of the angels, I just used my
> magical diary. I also disregarded the rule of fresh garments, and just
> used my old robe. I did three sessions a day, once in the morning before
> breakfast, once more around 3pm and the last time before bedtime. I
> wrote my own callings in the form of prayers, and I also quoted parts of
> the bible for some parts of the hierarchy.
>
> I was told after the ritual was completed that I would have had better
> results if I had called the ruler, the commander and the sub quarter
> angels at the same time.
>
> ***HIGHLY SUBJECTIVE MATERIAL***
> On day 19 I had a spectacular vision of the watchtowers, the earth and
> part of the aethyrs, which I will not detail here. I was told that the
> ritual itself is not in any way a direct invocation of the forces of the
> watchtowers, neither is it designed to bring about any special powers or
> authority to the magician/mystic. The ritual is merely designed to
> establish a connection between the magician/mystic and the forces of the
> watchtowers, making those forces aware of the magician/mystic.
>
> Sincerely
> /Christian
>

#7301 From: "Philalethe" <philalethe@...>
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 2:10 pm
Subject: Heptarchia / ensigns of creation
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Dear all

can anyone tell me where in Dee's diairies are the correlations between the 7
ensigns of creation and the 7 Kings of the Heptarchia Mystica ? I know he
mentions that each table is realted to one of the 7 kings, but cannot find how
to make it. In other words, how do you deduce the planetary attributions like
this one : http://hermetic.com/browe-archive/seven.htm

Many thanks.

Philalethe.

#7302 From: Christian Velin <christian.velin@...>
Date: Thu Nov 4, 2010 12:47 pm
Subject: Re: Re: A 19 day working
styxius_stag...
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Yes, that wouldn't be a problem.

Sincerely
Christian

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 1:12 AM, cor_flammae <chris@...> wrote:

>
>
> Christian:
>
> Is it ok with you if I quote this post below (with credit, of course!) in
> an article I'm doing?
>
> WILL / LOVE
>
> - CP
>
> --- In enochian@yahoogroups.com <enochian%40yahoogroups.com>, Christian
> Velin <christian.velin@...> wrote:
> >
> > I know there has been quite an interest in the 19 day working here on
> > the list, so I will detail my experiences here for you.
> >
> > First of all, the basic instructions are easy enough. Dee was told to
> > make a book, detailing the hierarchy and its functions. The first 4 days
> > are to be spent calling the banners of the watchtowers, the next 14 days
> > are to be spent calling the rest of the hierarchy, and the last day the
> > magician/mystic will be instructed in the use of the watchtowers.
> >
> > I constructed the following ritual:
> > Day 1-4: Prayer to God, using the four holy names from the Linea
> > Spiritus Sancti.
> > Day 5: Prayer to the kings.
> > Day 6: Prayer to the elders.
> > Day 7: Prayer to the angels of joining (20 angels above the crosses of
> > sub quarter 1).
> > Day 8: Prayer to the angels of traveling (20 angels above the crosses of
> > sub quarter 2).
> > Day 9: Prayer to the angels of mechanical crafts (20 angels above the
> > crosses of sub quarter 3).
> > Day 10: Prayer to the angels of all human knowledge (20 angels above the
> > crosses of sub quarter 4).
> > Day 11: Prayer to the ruler and commander of sub quarter 1 (8 angels in
> > the crosses of sub quarter 1).
> > Day 12: Prayer to the ruler and commander of sub quarter 2 (8 angels in
> > the crosses of sub quarter 2).
> > Day 13: Prayer to the ruler and commander of sub quarter 3 (8 angels in
> > the crosses of sub quarter 3).
> > Day 14: Prayer to the ruler and commander of sub quarter 4 (8 angels in
> > the crosses of sub quarter 4).
> > Day 15: Prayer to the angels of medicine (16 angels below the crosses of
> > sub quarter 1).
> > Day 16: Prayer to the angels of metals and stones (16 angels below the
> > crosses of sub quarter 2).
> > Day 17: Prayer to the angels of transformation (16 angels below the
> > crosses of sub quarter 3).
> > Day 18: Prayer to the angels of the elements (16 angels below the
> > crosses of sub quarter 4).
> > Day 19: Rest, meditation and prayers to God.
> >
> > I disregarded the rules of never using the book for anything else
> > besides the prayers and the functions of the angels, I just used my
> > magical diary. I also disregarded the rule of fresh garments, and just
> > used my old robe. I did three sessions a day, once in the morning before
> > breakfast, once more around 3pm and the last time before bedtime. I
> > wrote my own callings in the form of prayers, and I also quoted parts of
> > the bible for some parts of the hierarchy.
> >
> > I was told after the ritual was completed that I would have had better
> > results if I had called the ruler, the commander and the sub quarter
> > angels at the same time.
> >
> > ***HIGHLY SUBJECTIVE MATERIAL***
> > On day 19 I had a spectacular vision of the watchtowers, the earth and
> > part of the aethyrs, which I will not detail here. I was told that the
> > ritual itself is not in any way a direct invocation of the forces of the
> > watchtowers, neither is it designed to bring about any special powers or
> > authority to the magician/mystic. The ritual is merely designed to
> > establish a connection between the magician/mystic and the forces of the
> > watchtowers, making those forces aware of the magician/mystic.
> >
> > Sincerely
> > /Christian
> >
>
>
>


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#7303 From: "themouthofsauron88" <darkfool.matt@...>
Date: Mon Nov 8, 2010 2:09 am
Subject: Ordines Descendens - The "Lost Book" of John Dee
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Hello everyone!

I joined this forum a long time ago and I am up to date on the topics &
discussions. For a while now, I've wanted to contribute this book and my
thoughts on it. I hope that my contribution may be of some value to you all.

Sincerely,

TDF

Also, do check out my book review of Ordines Descendens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7Q5lPTwcLk

Ordines Descendens - PDF format:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/1/28/706034/Dee%20John%20%28attributed%29%20-%\
20Ordines%20Descendens.pdf

Description:

ORDINES DESCENDENS
JOHN DEE (?)
1st ed. 2007 98pp (printed single sided) Published Anonymously 4to paperback.
Illus. NEW. Ltd. ed. 200 copies. Edited by Peter Mills, who supplies a 19pp
introduction in which he places the text into historical context and comments
upon it as well as describing how he was given access to the original document
some thirty years ago which he carefully transcribed. Mr. Mills estimates the
document to date from the late 18th Century and he typeset the text to match the
original printed document. The title page informs us that this was privately
printed for a Jeremiah Hobbs for Sir Francis Dashwood and certain others,
presumably the Hellfire Club. Jeremiah Hobbes gives a detailed account as to how
some of Dee's papers parted company from those that found their way to the
Ashmolean Museum and the British Library and how he came into possession of
those manuscripts. He then capably explains how the names of Enochian Angels are
derived from the Watchtowers before giving the text of Ordines Descendens. This
text is the lost counterpart of the better-known Enochian material. Whereas they
describe the watchtowers, names and calls of the Angelic hierarchy Ordines
Descendens describes its demonic mirror. A set of infernal Watchtowers are given
from which are derived the four names of Satan and the rest of the infernal
hierarchy. The process used is cognate but significantly variant from that used
for the Angels. As well as giving the names of these diabolical beings their
powers are described with detailed information as to how they may be evoked
using a magic circle and a triangle or art. The invocation is sealed using some
of the thirteen Descending Clavicules which are given in Enochian with the
English translations. These evoke infernal forces in a similar manner that the
Enochian Keys or Calls invoke Angelic forces. This is effectively an Enochian
Grimoire of Satanic beings, the counterparts of the Angelic beings.

The question arises, is this text truly the work of John Dee transcribed and
printed by Jeremiah Hobbs in the 18th Century. The text came from out of the
blue, already typeset, and neither the publisher nor I have any information
aside from that printed in the book. I would observe that there is a long
tradition of false attribution of grimoire material. The Key of Solomon was not
written by King Solomon; neither the Grimoire or Sworn Book of Pope Honorius has
nothing to do with any Pope, let alone either of the two called Honorius; the
Book of Secrets of Albertus Magnus was not written by Albertus Magnus and of
course none of the real authors of the various Necronomicons were actually torn
apart by unseen forces in an Arab marketplace! In fact there is a long tradition
of texts being falsely attributed to John Dee namely The Book of Rosie Crucian
Secrets which was transcribed by E.J. Langford Garstin from an old manuscript
which claimed Dee as author and was published with an introduction by Ithell
Colquhoun. Indeed, if the truth be known, there are question marks about the
real authorship of the traditional Enochian material. Dee considered the
information came from spirits, but sometimes wondered if they were truly Godly.
Many think Kelly contrived the communications that suggested he and Dee swap
wives and others think he contrived more than that. Others agree but speculate
that, unknown to him, praeterhuman intelligences may have communicated via his
contrivances. Moreover some consider Enochian a system that was only partly and
imperfectly revealed to Dee and Kelly and suggest it is for others to add
material. In the introduction to Ordines Descendens Mr. Mills describes how a
practicing magician found the text frighteningly effective. Ultimately it will
be for Enochian magicians to judge whether this text represents a useful
extension to the corpus of Enochiana. Regardless of their origins texts can be
useful to the magician. Everyone knows the Necronomicon is a fiction but for
Kenneth Grant it is also represents a significant mindspace on the edge of human
consciousness, a mindspace that can be evoked by books of the title. £30.00

#7304 From: "AaronL" <kheph777@...>
Date: Tue Nov 9, 2010 1:47 am
Subject: Re: Heptarchia / ensigns of creation
kheph777
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Greetings

From the URL you provided:

From Mysteriorum Liber Tertius, April 28, 1582. "They are proper to every King
and prince in theyre order."

That is the only place it is mentioned, and it simply means that the Planetary
order of the Seven Ensigns follows that of the Heptarchia (beginning with Venus
and ending with Luna).

Elsewhere in the journals, we learn that each Ensign represents one of the
principal governors of the entire world.  The Governor in Dee's time is stated
to be Annael (the first Angel Dee meets in the journals), so the others should
be Michael, Gabriel, Raphel, Samael, Cassiel and Sachiel.

LVX
Aaron

--- In enochian@yahoogroups.com, "Philalethe" <philalethe@...> wrote:
>
> Dear all
>
> can anyone tell me where in Dee's diairies are the correlations between the 7
ensigns of creation and the 7 Kings of the Heptarchia Mystica ? I know he
mentions that each table is realted to one of the 7 kings, but cannot find how
to make it. In other words, how do you deduce the planetary attributions like
this one : http://hermetic.com/browe-archive/seven.htm
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Philalethe.
>

#7305 From: "AaronL" <kheph777@...>
Date: Tue Nov 9, 2010 8:57 am
Subject: Re: Ordines Descendens - The "Lost Book" of John Dee
kheph777
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Greetings!

I have just reviewed this text, and it is apparent that Dee did not write it,
nor is it a product of the late 18th Century.  The system it outlines is
entirely based in the Neo-Enochian tradition, meaning that it can not have
existed before "Book H" and the Golden Dawn (which is the late 19th century):

- The text mentions the Tablet of Union, which first appears in "Book H."

- The methods given for deriving Names from the Great Table are those described
in "Book H", involving the use of the Tablet of Union.

- The pronunciations suggested for the Names are based upon the Golden Dawn's
rules of pronunciation.

- The 48 Keys are described as invocations for the hierarchies of the Great
Table.  This does not even appear in "Book H", and is an even later GD concept.

The creation of the "Infernal" Great Table seems like the work of an individual
attempting to create a "Nightside of Enochian" system.  Personally, I think it
misses the point, because the Great Table is an image of the Merkavah - and
there is no existing tradition of an "infernal Merkavah" AFAIK.

LVX
Aaron

#7306 From: chris@...
Date: Tue Nov 9, 2010 3:11 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Ordines Descendens - The "Lost Book" of John Dee
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> there is no existing tradition of an "infernal Merkavah" AFAIK.

Why am I suddenly hearing AC/DC?  };->

WILL / LOVE

- CP

#7307 From: johnwww@...
Date: Tue Nov 9, 2010 2:46 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Ordines Descendens - The "Lost Book" of John Dee
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So, in other words, it is a modern forgery, by someone trying to cash in on
Dee's name! Who really wrote it, and who published it?
John W.

--- On Tue, 9/11/10, AaronL <kheph777@...> wrote:
From: AaronL <kheph777@...>
Subject: [enochian] Re: Ordines Descendens - The "Lost Book" of John Dee
To: enochian@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 9, November, 2010, 9:57 PM







 









       Greetings!



I have just reviewed this text, and it is apparent that Dee did not write it,
nor is it a product of the late 18th Century.  The system it outlines is
entirely based in the Neo-Enochian tradition, meaning that it can not have
existed before "Book H" and the Golden Dawn (which is the late 19th century):



- The text mentions the Tablet of Union, which first appears in "Book H."



- The methods given for deriving Names from the Great Table are those described
in "Book H", involving the use of the Tablet of Union.



- The pronunciations suggested for the Names are based upon the Golden Dawn's
rules of pronunciation.



- The 48 Keys are described as invocations for the hierarchies of the Great
Table.  This does not even appear in "Book H", and is an even later GD concept.



The creation of the "Infernal" Great Table seems like the work of an individual
attempting to create a "Nightside of Enochian" system.  Personally, I think it
misses the point, because the Great Table is an image of the Merkavah - and
there is no existing tradition of an "infernal Merkavah" AFAIK..



LVX

Aaron


















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#7308 From: "themouthofsauron88" <darkfool.matt@...>
Date: Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:50 pm
Subject: Re: Ordines Descendens - The "Lost Book" of John Dee
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" The creation of the "Infernal" Great Table seems like the work of an
individual attempting to create a "Nightside of Enochian" system.  Personally, I
think it misses the point, because the Great Table is an image of the Merkavah -
and there is no existing tradition of an "infernal Merkavah" AFAIK.
>
> LVX
> Aaron
"

I agree completely that it is a new tradition. In the original Enochian system,
"evil angels" are mentioned. I believe the individual who created this system
took that concept and ran with it. Personally, I believe that it has great
potential. (as above, so below).

#7309 From: deanhild@...
Date: Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:48 pm
Subject: Essay on Enochiana
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It's been years since I wrote the essays in the files section, so I decided to
redo them.  Patricia, is it ok I included the letter essences descriptions, and
if so is it the most current version?
-Dean
 
Introduction
 
These essays will relate to the original Enochian material as received by John
Dee and Edward Kelley; the I Ged material as received by Runar Karlsen, which
consists of tablets and call for the various groups referred to by numbers in
the original calls; and various other pieces of material received by Runar,
Marid Audran, Patricia Shaffer, James Barnes, and me.  In a number of important
respects it builds on the work of Benjamin Rowe, as will be noted as we
proceed.  I should note that I have no interest in the Golden Dawn's take on the
material.  This first essay will address a number patterns that occur within the
material and subsequent ones will address the specifics of the various groups.
 
Cosmology
 
Based on my own work with the calls and drawing on Ben's Book of Seniors and
other results, I have come to the following conclusions. There is a being
variously known as God, the Tao, etc. from whom our inmost spirits were formed
and of whom we, or most of us, are still a part. God is only a part of the
Earth's creative scheme and is very much junior to the spirit enlivening the
planet, to whom I will refer as the Worldspirit, and She is in turn junior to
the spirit enlivening the Sun. Somehow, perhaps as described in the Book of
Seniors, the Worldspirit has come to be encased in the core of the planet behind
a double barrier, with only a few cracks to let Her influence out. The Babalon
mentioned in the calls is the bodily intelligence which has remained in Her
place. Also, there is a veil over the Earth, coincident with the aethers, which
limits the influence coming from the Sun as well as the other planets of the
solar system and extrasolar forces.
  This veil is rapidly burning away. As a result of human beings' physical
incarnations, we have developed in ways fitting with our place in Babalon's
realm. As contact increases with the Worldspirit, Sun, and extrastellar forces,
people will develop in directions relating to these as well. The religions of
the Age of Pisces have emphasied dissolving into God (or Tao or emptiness) and
exhibited a disdain for the nature of the world, categorized as a realm of
sorrows where one inevitably gets crucified and so on. The Age of Aquarius can
be expected to bring a greater emphasis on choice as to spiritual direction.
Curiously, Ben talks about large numbers of human spirits going off to other
star systems or universes, yet he ducks the fact that God is not out there where
they'll be going, and sticks with the Piscean notion as to the point of
initiation. The Enochian material, in contrast to systems that have been known
longer such as Kaballah, is not designed
  for the purpose of bringing people to the realization of God. The Enochian
angels are primarily creative beings, not devotional/teaching ones, and they
seem to be members of the broader Earth scheme who answer to God as well as
others, as opposed to direct minions of God such as Kaballistic angels are.
Between these, the I Ged spirits, the other beings mentioned in the calls, and
the various forces that all of these can bring one in contact with, one has a
great deal of choice as to the direction one will go. Of course, the flip side
of choice is responsibility. One needs to be clear on the direction one is
bringing to Enochian workings and to get to know the various beings before
deciding which ones one wishes to become attuned to, if any. An important
example of this point is the business of climbing the aethers. The aethers are
the avenue through which influence from outside the planet are able to enter,
and so climbing the aethers will tend to bring
  one into tune with the will coming from the Sun rather than that coming from
God.

Elements and Gems
 
The Enochian material is not inherently elemental, but can fit with the elements
in various ways.  It seems to fit naturally with a sequence of geometric solids
discovered by James Barnes and explored by him and me.  A basic discovery is
that the elements can be seen as composed of three polarities, male-female,
chaos-order, and abstract-particular . The first two correspond with the
triangles pointing up or down in the traditional symbols for the elements, and
the second two correspond with the absence or presence of a line in the middle.
James represents abstract-particular by making the horizontal side of the
triangle either a dot or a full line. This is slightly confusing, since it makes
the traditional symbols for air or water into symbols for something new, but I
don't really have a better suggestion. The qualities for the elements are:
Fire: Male, Chaos, Particular
Air: Male, Order, Abstract
Water: Female, Chaos, Abstract
Earth: Female, Order, Particular
This leaves four more combinations which might be termed dark elements since
their functioning is less visible, like dark matter and dark energy, though this
term can probably be improved on. The terms James uses and their qualities are:
Treasure: Female, Chaos, Particular
Paper: Male, Chaos, Abstract
Scissors: Female, Order, Abstract
Rock: Male, Order, Particular
My sense of Treasure is that it relates to evolution in the concrete trial and
error sense. James associates the next three with the mating strategies
discussed in http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Rock_paper_ scissors The sense I got
of these was also sequential but not competitive. Paper fits with strategy and
tactics. Scissors fits with plans to be implemented. Rock fits with
implementation. This creates a new situation again requiring strategy and
tactics. Of course, these all need to be explored in greater depth and hopefully
given better names.
The elements, dark elements, and spirit fit with the nine points of Gurdjieff's
Enneagram as follows:
1)  Scissors,  2)  Earth,  3)  Treasure,  4)  Water,  5)  Air,  6)  Paper,  7) 
Fire,  8)  Rock,  9) Spirit
James also associates the dark elements with the primary Dungeons and Dragons
classes:  Paper-Magic User, Scissors-Cleric, Rock-Fighter, and Treasuer-Thief,
which seems to fit pretty well.
 
If the elements are assigned to the faces of a tetrahedron, then the vertices of
the tetrahedron fit with the dark elements.  If we project from the center of
the tetrahedron through the centers of its faces, going an equal distance in
each direction, we end up with four point corresponding to the elements that are
then the vertices of a tetrahedron whose faces correspond to the dark elements. 
The farther we project, the larger the resulting tetrahedron.  We select the one
whose edges intersect the edges of the original tetrahedron, i.e. one of equal
size to original.  When we then combine the vertices of the two tetrahedrons,
they become the vertices of a cube whose faces have the edges of the
tetrahedrons as their diagonals.  The faces of the cube then correspond to the
qualities.  If we then project from the center of the cube through the centers
of its faces, we get the vertices of an octahedron whose faces correspond to the
elements and dark
  elements and whose vertices correspond to the qualities.  Again, we size the
octahedron so that its edges intersect the edges of the cube.  If we then take
the combined vertices of the cube and octahedron, they become the vertices of a
rhombic dodecahedron (12-sided) whose faces have the edges of the cube and
octahedron as diagonals.  If we then project from the center of the rhombic
dodecahedron through the centers of its faces, we get the vertices of a
cuboctahedron (14-sided) whose faces correspond to the elements, dark elements,
and qualities.  Again, we size the cuboctohedron so that its edges intersect the
edges of the rhombic dodecahedron.  Taking the combined vertices of these, they
become the vertices of a 24-sided gem.  In order to get a gem that fits together
with this in the same way, we must project through the midpoints of the longer
diagonals of the 24-sided gems faces.  Doing this gives the vertices of a
26-sided gem whose faces
  correspond to the elements, dark elements, and qualities.  If we then take the
combined vertices of the 24- and 26-sided gems, they become the vertices of a
48-sided gem.  This is as far as the geometric sequence can proceed, and the
48-sided gem is the outer gem containing all the others.
If the vertices of the octahedron are placed at coordinates (+/- 1, 0, 0), (0,
+/- 1, 0), and (0, 0, +/- 1), then the vertices of the cube end up at (+/-
1/2, +/- 1/2, +/- 1/2), those of the rhombic dodecahedron at (+/- 2/3, +/- 2/3,
0), (+/- 2/3, 0, +/- 2/3,), and (0, +/- 2/3, +/- 2/3), and those of the 24-sided
gem at (+/- 6/7, +/- 2/7, +/- 2/7), (+/- 2/7, +/- 6/7, +/- 2/7), and (+/- 2/7,
+/- 2/7, +/- 6/7).
 
Each face of the rhombic dodecahedron connects two non-opposite qualities and
the element and dark element that share these. For example, the Male-Abstract
face connects Air and Paper. We should also note that each group of four faces
which omit a common opposite pair of qualities form a square, something that can
be easily seen in relation to the edges of the octahedron. My sense of the these
is:

Male-Abstract: Cause
Female-Abstract: Organizing
Male-Particular: Manifested will
Female-Particular: Effect

Male-Chaos: Untamed male energy
Female-Chaos: Change proceeding
Male-Order: Architecture
Female-Order: Plans proceeding

Abstract-Chaos: Understanding possibilities
Abstract-Order: Organized thought
Particular-Chaos: Causing change
Particular-Order: Rules

The faces of the 24-sided gem each connect an element or dark element with one
of its qualities.  The faces of the 48-sided gem seem to be more a single
surface where the gem interacts with the world.  This gem seemed to me to have a
golden glow and an animating spirit that might be described as creative and
bouncy.
 
Astrological Forces
 
Astrological forces traditionally appear in a form filtered down through the
aethers and reflecting how they appear on Earth.  The Enochian material often
connects more directly to the planets and stars and to the patterns they have
amongst themselves, rather than as we see them. 
Outside of the aethers, the influence of the stars is felt individually.  Within
aethers 1-22, their influenced is organized into the constellations in relation
to the tropical zodiac.   From aether 23 in, their influence is organized into
the sidereal zodiac.  All of this may be approached through the OS and OL
material.
The Enochian entities can work with the planets as traditionally seen, but they
more naturally fit with the planets as controlling a sequence of 12 zones that
make up the solar system.  These come in six pairs Sun-Mercury, Venus-Earth,
Mars-asteroid belt, Jupiter-Saturn, Uranus-Neptune, and Pluto-transpluto.  The
QVYD material is the most direct way to approach these.  In addition to the
12-fold pattern of zones and 6-fold pattern of pairs of zones, this also gives
a 7-fold pattern Venus-Earth, Sun-Mercury, Mars-asteroid belt, Jupiter-Saturn,
Uranus-Neptune, Pluto-transpluto, all forces outside the solar system, which
underlies the Heptarchic system.  Venus-Earth begins this sequence because we
are on Earth.  The planets in themselves can be understood in relation to a
solar system level version of the seven rays discussed by Alice Bailey, these
being labelled:
 
1: Will,
2: Love-wisdom,
3: Creative intelligence,
4: Harmony through conflict,
5: Concrete intelligence,
6: Devotion,
7: Ceremonial order. 

The solar system equivalents are oriented toward the Sun rather than God, which
makes the most difference for the even numbered rays. The planets have the
following soul and personality (inner and outer) orientations:

Sun: soul 1, personality 4
Mercury: soul 2, personality 5
Venus: soul 2, personality 3
Earth: soul 3, personality 7
Mars: soul 4, personality 6
Asteroids: soul 3, personality various
Jupiter: soul 5, personality 2
Saturn: soul 3, personality 7
Uranus: 1, 3, and 7 switch amongst inner and outer.
Neptune: soul reflects influences from outside the solar system, personality 5
Pluto: soul 1, personality 7
Transpluto: soul and personality 6, probably more involved at a deeper level.

The traditional interpretation of the planets emphasizes the personality
aspects, with Venus also reflecting her pairing with the Earth. Earth, the
asteroids, and Saturn have similar natures and seem to have the form-giving role
in their pairings. The inner three pairs of zones are concerned with
implementing the Sun's plans. The outer pair determines what is let in from
outside the solar system and the next from outer processes this. The
Jupiter-Saturn pair is where the primary interactions between the Sun's
influence and influence from outside take place. 
 
The seven rays are a variant of a general pattern defined by seven solar
systems, the rays Alice Bailey discussed being the human version, the ones
mentioned above being our solar system wide version, and the Sons and Daughters
and Son of Sons and Daughters of Daughters of Light in the Sigillum Dei Aemeth
following an angelic version.  I have found that the underlying systems are:
 
1)  Lalande 21185,  2)  Sirius A+B,  3)  Sol,  4)  Ross 248,  5)  Alpha Centauri
A+B,  6)  Wolf 359,  7)  UV Ceti A+B
 
Various other connections to extraterrestrial forces can be found through the
material, especially the 16 paths material and the AF.
 
The Angles
 
The three-fold pattern Father-Mother-Child appears in various systems, most
notably in recent times as Hadit-Nuit-Horus of Crowley's system.  Hadit
corresponds to the root of consciousness, Nuit to the expanse of existence, and
Horus to all particular forms as arising from their interaction.  In relation to
the Tree of Life, Hadit can fit with the Ain Soph, Nuit with the material plane,
and Horus as the entire Tree as connecting these.  Within the Tree, Hadit fits
with the Supernals, Nuit with Malkut, and Horus with the Zer Anpin.  In terms of
the planes, Material-Etheric-Astral-Mental-Causal (the latter four correspond to
Leary's four higher neural circuits), Nuit fits with the first and Hadit the
last.  In terms of human initiation, the major turning is from the Mental to
Causal planes, crossing the Abyss and reaching Binah.  Looked at from a
detatched perspective, however, they have a more symmetrical pattern, with the
Material and
  Causal planes having the greatest objective definition, the Etheric and Mental
connecting to the Material and Causal respectively in basically local ways, and
the Astral being the most mutable plane where they interact.  Calls 4-6 of the
original calls mention a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th angle.  These may be thought of as
the corners of an M-shape, with the 1st point being Nuit and the 5th Hadit,
Hadit corresponding to the word IALPIRGAH "flames of first glory" in Call 7. 
The 4th angle corresponds to the Causal plane.  The 3rd fits with the Mental
plane and has a formative character.  The 2nd seems to fit with both Mental and
Astral planes and is the major turning point in the angles, translating the
clearly defined things coming from Hadit into varied specifics in the body of
Nuit.  These my be loosely associated 5th-Keter, 4th-Chokmah, 3rd-Binah, 2nd-Dat
as child of the Supernals, 1st-Malkut.  They angles also fit with groups of
aethers, the 4th with
  1-10, 3rd with 11-19, and 2nd with 20-22.
 
The Letters
 
Patricia Shaffer has come up with the following letter essences:
 
O  Root of Being-Becoming: being, becoming, existence
L  Root of Primacy: first, primary, one, providence
S  Root of Possession: have, acquire, gather, together
N  Root of Interiority: within, inside, self-hood
F  Root of Manifestation: manifest, show, appear
V  Root of Darkness: dark, hidden (therefore, unknown), reflection
U  Root of Light: light, enlightenment
R  Root of Motion: move, motion, emotion, motivate, change
G  Root of Negation: not, none, nothing, nor
H  Root of Breath: breath, life
I  Root of Energy/Enablement: energize, enable, ability
Y  Root of Increase: grow, increase, more, faster
A  Root of Time:  begin, beginning, anew, new, again, then, when
D  Root of Possibility: possible, potential
B  Root of Choice: duality, multiplicity, choose (between)
T  Root of Balance: balance, justice, adjust, judge, equilibrate
C  Root of Causation: make, cause, create, because (of)
Z  Root of Division: divide, seperate, other (than), part(s) of
P  Root of Establishment: space, place, put, set, here, there, where
M  Root of Knowledge: mind, know, awareness,knowledge
Q  Root of Desire: desire, love
E  Root of Will: will, intend, purpose, intention
X  Root of Limitation/Decrease: limit, lessen, lower, slower
 
A word or name can be interpretted as a sequence of meanings corresponding to
the letters and can also be broken down into its constituent diads and triads of
letters which are then interpretted as a sequence.  See Patricia's writing for
more details.
 
Gematria
 
The letters besides G are assigned to the numbers 1-7 as follows (G is treated
as 0):

1)  L
2)  U/V, A, R
3)  D, F, M, P, Q, X
4)  S, Z, E, H
5)  I/Y, C 
6)  N, T
7)  O, B

There are seperate totals in each direction.  The value of each letter is added
in the direction determined by subtracting the value of the letter on the left
from the value of the letter on the right (using 0 for no letter) and looking in
the following table.
East:  -7,-3,1,5
South: -6,-2,2,6
West:  -5,-1,3,7
North: -4,0,4
The directions give the points of a square.  East can be interpretted as the
basic principle of the word, South as the shaping factor, West as how it is
seen, and North as how it manifests.  A final central number is found by taking
the highest of the four directional numbers, subtracting the second highest,
adding the third highest, and then subtracting the lowest.  Positions with 0 are
left out of the interpretation.
 
So, for example, the letters of BALT have values 7 2 1 6, 2-0=2 so we add 7 in
the South, 1-7=-6 so we add another 2 in the South, 6-2=4 so we add 1 in the
North, and 0-1=-1 so we add 6 in the West, giving totals of 0 in the East, 9 in
the South, 1 in the North, 6 in the West, and 9-6+1-0=4 in the Center.  I
propose a notation of 0,9,1,6:4 for this.
 
Numbers 1-7 are interpretted according to the group of letters assigned and
other attributions described below.  Numbers 8-49 are interpretted as 8 is the
7ish aspect of 1, 9 the 1ish aspect of 2, 10 the 2ish aspect of 3, ... 14 is the
6ish aspect of 7, 15 the 6ish aspect of 1, ... 21 is the 5ish aspect of 7, ...
49 the 1ish aspect of 7.  Numbers higher than 49 are interpretted by subtracting
the largest possible multiple of 50 and interpretting.
The numbers 1-5 relate to angles and also to pairs of planetary zones.  The
number 5-7 have a Hadit-Horus-Nuit pattern.
Interpretations of the numbers 1-7 are as follows:
1)   1 signifies a primary actor, as seen in the letter L and the Sun of
Sun-Mercury.  1 in terms of the angles relates to Nuit and her body as a single
space in which things happen.
2)   2 relates to states of change, as seen in the letters A,R,U/V and
the varied ways the asteroids respond to Mars.  The 2nd angle sits between the
working space of 1 and the formative energies of 3, letting energies be
introduced.
3)   3 relates to various formative or material letters, somewhat analogous to
the two Heh's of IHVH combined.  Jupiter-Saturn relates to ordering processes,
also necessary for formation.  The 3rd angle also fits with the first Heh of
IHVH.
4)   4 fits with the idea of seperate true selves, often pictured as a huge
number of stars.  This is seen in the letters E and H reflecting true will and
lifeforce and in the letters Z and S which emphasize seperation. The 4th angles
fits with this, as does the role of Uranus-Neptune in giving form to varied
energies.
5)   5 fits with Hadit, reflected in IALPIRGAH the flames of first glory and its
first letter I.  The purifying aspect of Pluto-transpluto fits with this notion
of unity.
6)   6 fits with Horus as particular forms, which possess the capacity for
selfhood and judgement.  The letters of NI can be taken as giving forms (N=6) to
Hadit's energy (I=5).
7)   7 fits with Nuit, seen in the polymorphous letters B and O.  In terms of
the calls, it may be related to all the calls 8+.  Note that OX, OP, O, OB, and
OL all start with O.    

To return to our example, BALT can be read choosing to begin the first's
justice, in terms of letter essences.  9 meaning the 1ish aspect of 2 suggests
flux congealing into primary agents, so BALT's energy is shaped by the emergence
of agents which choose to carry out the first's judgements.  This also fits with
the central 4 as an individual will choosing to act so.  This appears as 6
justice and manifests as 1 the first's will.  Note that the letter L and number
1's interpretation as first is contextual.  Something can be primary in one
context and yet subordinate in a broader one.
 
AMSU

In addition to the way numbers are used in the gematria, there are at least
three other ways numbers are used in the calls.  The smaller group numbers, eg.
EM 9, are simply numbers of members of the group with no particular
numerological significance.  The 3-5 digit group numbers are interpretted in
relation to the EM combined with zodiac, which will be discussed in relation to
the EM.  Finally, the numbering of the flames fits with the formula AMSU and
another use of the numbers 1-3.  Amsu is the name of an Egyptian god also known
as Khem or Min.  Taken as a formula, The S and M relate to the Hadit and
Nuit parts of the Hadit-Nuit-Horus trinity and are numbered 1 and 2.  These fit
with the corresponding Hebrew mother letters.  The A and U fit with Horus as
varied possibilites arising between Hadit and Nuit and Horus as forming an
integrated role joining them and are numbered 3 and 0.  These fit with the
Hebrew letter Aleph pronounced as the
  respective vowels.  Because the Enochian material is coming from the Hadit side
of things, this side takes a more dominant role here than it would in other
contexts.  The 2nd flame has described himself as the slave of the 1st and the
3rd as the servant of the 1st (suggesting an interesting interpretation of "The
slaves shall serve." in The Book of the Law).  The Enochian letters L, Z, D, and
O correspond to this pattern 1, 2, 3, and 0.  The reason 2nd is written out Viu
in the calls is because V is the applicable letter for the 2nd angle and Z is
the applicable letter for the 2nd flame.  Besides the flames, this formula
appears a number of other times through the material.
AMSU can also be taken as an initiatory sequence:  A becoming aware of a level,
M absorbing into it, S receiving inspiration, U reintegrating.  For example, in
terms of the gems mentioned above, one can approach them:  A seeing the gem from
the center point, M absorbing into its faces, S receiving inspiration through
the vertices, U reintegrating back to the center point so one can proceed to the
next gem.  For the outer gem, the sequence is:  A seeing the surface from the
center point, M feeling the energies outside the gem impinge on its surface, S
feeling inspiration arise in the center point, U integrating the gem as a way of
interacting with the energies of the world.  See my Kabbalistic writing for my
take on how the formula fits with the Tree of Life.
 

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#7310 From: deanhild@...
Date: Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:03 am
Subject: Re: Essay on Enochiana
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Correction:  In the AMSU section, I should have the Enochian S corresponds to 2
not Z.
-Dean
 

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#7311 From: "enochian.mage" <enochian.mage@...>
Date: Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:44 pm
Subject: Initiations of the 4 WatchTowers.
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EE have laid out a blueprint, calling it 'Initiations of the 4 WatchTowers.'

After a session, EE tell me what comes next.

EE are using the Original Table (I was not even aware of this until completion)

Each one, about 40 minutes in duration, like a hypnagogic astral vision quest on
acid. (I do not take any drugs, at all)


I received a thorough system via each Senior of the Zodiac.

Also, they have given me a name of what 'appears' to be a "Ben-Ben Stone".

They have told me to tell others, but also warn against giving out explicit
details or names.

EE have 'called me' for years. If I told you half of it, you would call me a
lair.

#7312 From: "enochian.mage" <enochian.mage@...>
Date: Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:16 pm
Subject: Laidrom- Earth -
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Laidrom- Earth - (Taurus)

Subterranean, chthonic- Hades, psychopomp- images raced through my vision, while
"hearing those words".

Fire, caverns, then crystalline structures. Meet with one called 'Agatha', and
was taken to see the Elder..

Laidrom appeared, like an old fashioned Dracula.

Was hostile at first, (called me an 'asshole'!) then said He was only kidding,
as He called himself a 'trickster'.

However, He (they?) holds a grudge against humanity, saying we didn't appreciate
the work the Watcher/Grigori performed in 'our benefit'.

(A lot transpires- personal)

He puts in my aura- as Initiation- a solid cross with a blood red stone- said to
be the 'blood of saints' (got very dizzy at this point- only recalling later the
cross (minus the stone) is the seal to the earth tablet)

I am taken deep down- (again, spinning).....what appears to be Hades. I am not
christian, so these scenes took me off guard (quite disturbing)

He mentions a multitude of gnostic doctrine- linking up the deities of Venus

He said (with many voices) "Enoch was here, speaking to the Grigori- to
intercede for them"

The chains that imprison them, shackle their "Duties", not they, themselves. I
see them lifeless, like wax figures. Suddenly, I am on a space craft- flying up,
out of a portal.

More dialogue is exchanged- but I am holding off revealing it at this time.
These notes are brief, as the whole 'Initiation' lasted for about 40 minutes.

He gave me instructions for my next initiatory rite,, before 'dropping me off @
my temple'.

Again, the EE tell me to 'write it down, and tell others'...but they also limit
my mentioning of details.

So I am hesitant to write anything, to be honest.

#7313 From: Michael Lynch <mi3ke2000@...>
Date: Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:26 am
Subject: Re: Initiations of the 4 WatchTowers.
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Interesting session. Keep notes.


"EE have 'called me' for years. If I told you half of it, you would call me a
lair."

I would never call you a lair.

 
 
 

#7314 From: "enochian.mage" <enochian.mage@...>
Date: Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:35 am
Subject: Re: Initiations of the 4 WatchTowers.
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--- In enochian@yahoogroups.com, Michael Lynch <mi3ke2000@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting session. Keep notes.
>
>
> "EE have 'called me' for years. If I told you half of it, you would call me a
> lair."
>
> I would never call you a lair.
>
>  
>  
>  
>
When I first started, I didn't take much notes. I never thought it would get
this far. I then started taking better notes.

-resting in my liar, lol

#7315 From: "enochian.mage" <enochian.mage@...>
Date: Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:06 am
Subject: Saiinou- West
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West- Air- White

[I do a specific ritual the EE have given me, asking me not to reveal it as of
yet. Again, EE tells me to record it and tell others, but not to mention certain
details, that being one of them.]

I see a tiny sun turn inside out. [Snaps right into my face, like a rubber band,
but painless]

I hear loud wind then see a tornado with gold specks. It opened up and I seen a
small infant angel [have some short communication] which escorts me to see
Saiinou. I fly upwards twirling [dizzy]

He appeared as an old, somewhat annoyed man, with a gold head band and gold
small wings protruding from His head and a 'toga that looked like shear gauze'.
When I spoke to Him, and explained what I wanted, He parted a pure white wall
behind him and what appeared was an all white universe, like the negative of a
NASA photo. He called it 'white matter'.
He opens up His Body and removes it like a shroud, to
reveal a female with 'yellow hair', looking like a Hollywood actress in her
40's.
Later on, She almost looked like Hillary Clinton if she was artificially
glamorized for theater.

I am told Libra, I "see" Venus. I left a large celestial body, and found out
when returning it was our moon, which Saiinou said 'was a landing spot to which
they are able to meet us accordingly, like Yetzirah', [Saiinou did not say
Yesod],.. 'but different in many aspects' (?)

[I hear that as an echo of many voices.]

Much dialogue is exchanged, mostly personal.


I ask if EE have an agenda...

A floating eye appears, looking like a sad Cocker spaniel's eye- She asked if I
'expected a magnificent all seeing eye like that of a hawk'?
She said most are not worthy of seeing that as EE are disappointed with the lack
of evolution the human species have shown.
I asked if I might see that power, and I see an 'eye of power' in blinking mode,
the lid being closed prior to it being opened again.
I understood this.

I asked what could be done for improvement and she said
'only a minute part of humanity are aware but the few awakened ones act as
conduits for the rest'.
I asked how it was possible and she showed me a huge boat with many people being
driven by one man, and then he dropping an anchor and cause all the occupants to
no longer move in motion because of his single action.

More personal dialogue.

Getting dizzy, always chariots moving, I can 'see' winds blowing like in
cartoons.

I heard her at one time physically speak 3 words loudly into my left ear, and I
jumped.
This was definitely outside my head!

I was initiated by eating a small scroll made of white parchment wrapped in a
gold band. 'I heard someone else ate this bitter scroll too'.I asked why this
and she said I will digest this knowledge and it will be readily available when
I need it.

She gave me instructions for my next ritual and said I was now through with my
initiation.

She spoke a lot about time, & synchronicity, as it moves like a cloud, and we
move with it, the reason we do not recognize it as a tangible anymore than wind
can not be seen but can knock you down 'with grace and by force'.
[but I 'seen' cartoon wind prior to that]

Very intellectual conversation(s), much told to me by many voices- all in a
'matter of factly' tone.

I asked, [conversation in reverse], if I get my gold wings, and She makes me
feel them.

She appears now as a super-imposed figure of herself with the first old man with
the gold headband.

I 'hear' in my subconscious 'androgynous'

I start in a mid conversation, like this experience is now being rewound...
'I thought emotions were water'? Saiinou says 'what stirs the emotions and keeps
them moving'? 'The stirring of this intellect is movement of our kingdom, that
gives [mental clarity] thoughts to conceive the feelings, thus we work in unison
with the water kingdoms'.(plural)

Suddenly, Her eyes get wide and She appears as a huge dragon, and Her eye zooms
up real close to mine and said 'We are all dragons'. [At that moment I
understood, but later on, the understanding slipped away.]

I ask if I am writing this down to tell others and also for what reason. She
says 'What did HTMORDA and LAIDROM tell you'?
[They spoke about me writing a EE book someday to reveal the information they
are to give me]

I physically opened my eyes for a quick second and I do not see myself (at all!)
in my scrying mirror for a few seconds.

That brought me out of alpha state too quick, as I could still feel energy
flying up my solar plexus.
Very disoriented afterwards.

There is much more, so much more.
Like recalling fragments of a dream after being awake for awhile.

-SaToGa

#7316 From: "Jon J" <freewill77777@...>
Date: Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:54 am
Subject: a basic question
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I want to introduce myself to the group and ask a question which I am sure will
betray my novice status
I've always been interested in esotericism but over the last year have been
strongly drawn to Enochian.  I haven't practiced yet but am beginning to get a
small glimmer of its power.  I have most of the mainstream books and am still
puzzled by something.
So, my question revolves around the way in which Enochian script should be
written.  From what I understand, it is read right to left like Hebrew (I don't
read Hebrew)
And I seem to recall one author, I think DuQuette or Leitch saying that if u
wrote it out the text would be such that the beginning of the book would in
actuality be the end of the text and you would begin reading starting with your
last word.
In my mind you would read from right to left starting at the but the end and
beginning wouldn't be reversed
Part of my confusion is that in all the books I have ( none of which write out
any calls in Enochian script, but rather in the English ) they show the angelic
words and underneath the English translation and they are always written left to
right!!
I am sure this is for the English, etc users benefit, but I remain puzzled
Bottom line is I want to write out a paragraph of enochian (actually five
sentences) and am unclear whether each line is treated as a separate right to
left entity or if it shocks be constructed so as one would read the paragraph
starting at the bottom and proceeding right to left to the top
I do apologise if this seems ridiculous, and I do welcome an answer
Jon

#7317 From: Alan Thorogood <alan_thorogood@...>
Date: Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:39 am
Subject: Re: a basic question
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It's a perfectly reasonable question. The language reads from right to left, and
from top to bottom. During reception of the 'holy book' later identified as
Loagaeth, the words were spelled out letter by letter in the angelic language;
for example, the first word 'zuresch' was received as 'keph van don graph fam
veh na'; Dee drew a grid indicating that the seven letters ran from right to
left (see Joseph Peterson, 'John Dee's Five Books of Mystery' p. 288). After
completion of the first line of text Dee noted 'all the former letters and words
in the squares, were only in the first or upper row, beginning at the right hand
and and so going orderly to the left' (Peterson, p. 292).
Later Dee recorded 'Whereas the ordering of the book is referred to my
judgement, in my mind it seemeth requisite that as all the writing and reading
of that holy language is from the right hand to the left, so the beginning of
the book (as it were, in respect of our most usual manner of books, in all
languages of latin, greek, english, etc.) at the end of the book; and the end,
at the beginning, as in the hebrew bible' (Peterson, p. 411).

Examples of right-to-left writing in the angelic language can be found in the
page titles to Dee's 'Liber Mysteriorum Sextus et Sanctus' (Sloane MS. 3189)
folios 10 to 21; images are available at:
http://www.themagickalreview.org/enochian/mss/sloane_3189/

Regards,
Alan


--- On Fri, 26/11/10, Jon J <freewill77777@...> wrote:

> So, my question revolves around the way in which Enochian
> script should be written.  From what I understand, it
> is read right to left like Hebrew (I don't read Hebrew)
> And I seem to recall one author, I think DuQuette or Leitch
> saying that if u wrote it out the text would be such that
> the beginning of the book would in actuality be the end of
> the text and you would begin reading starting with your last
> word.

#7318 From: Serpentis Satori <serpentsatori@...>
Date: Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:50 am
Subject: Re: a basic question
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So, my question revolves around the way in which Enochian script should be
written. From what I understand, it is read right to left like Hebrew (I don't
read Hebrew)
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*** I understand that to be correct as well. I believe Dee was told that at some
point.

Part of my confusion is that in all the books I have ( none of which write out
any calls in Enochian script, but rather in the English ) they show the angelic
words and underneath the English translation and they are always written left to
right!!
*** As does the file I will add shortly. It is a convience, but some people do
have "call books" with the Key in Enochian on the Facing/Left Page

I am sure this is for the English, etc users benefit, but I remain puzzled
Bottom line is I want to write out a paragraph of enochian (actually five
sentences) and am unclear whether each line is treated as a separate right to
left entity or if it shocks be constructed so as one would read the paragraph
starting at the bottom and proceeding right to left to the top
*** As a paragraph, exactly as "sections" of "chapters" in Hebrew Bibles are
done.
IAIA SHILITIA
Satori
 

I do apologise if this seems ridiculous, and I do welcome an answer
Jon











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#7319 From: Kevin Zabbo <chaosopher23c@...>
Date: Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:40 pm
Subject: Re: a basic question
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.



Since it was received by an Englishman, I read it like English and write it the
same.  I get excellent results.



93/156/418,

Fr. Lucy



Love is the law, love under will.

#7320 From: Christian Velin <christian.velin@...>
Date: Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:45 pm
Subject: Re: a basic question
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There are also indications in other parts of the source, for instance when
Dee received the 49 keys he noted that the angel read the key from right to
left (like Hebrew).

/Christian

#7321 From: "AaronL" <kheph777@...>
Date: Sat Nov 27, 2010 6:53 am
Subject: Re: a basic question
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--- In enochian@yahoogroups.com, "Jon J" <freewill77777@...> wrote:
>
> So, my question revolves around the way in which Enochian script should be
written.  From what I understand, it is read right to left like Hebrew (I don't
read Hebrew)

Yes, Angelical reads from the right-hand toward the left.

> And I seem to recall one author, I think DuQuette or Leitch saying that if u
wrote it out the text would be such that the beginning of the book would in
actuality be the end of the text and you would begin reading starting with your
last word.

That's not exactly what we were saying, but I know it can be confusing.  Your
first word would be at what appears to be the "end" of the book, and you would
also start reading from there.

Try this:  Pick any book written in English and lay it on the table in front of
you, front cover up.  Notice that the binding is on the left-hand side, and you
open the book from the right-hand side.  This is standard for all books written
in the Western languages.

Now, flip the entire book over so the binding of the book is on the right-hand
side, and the open side of the book is on the left.  If this were a Hebrew
Bible, you would be looking at the *front* cover, not the back.  Books written
in Semitic languages are simply bound on the right-hand side and open from the
left.  You read through them always going leftward.  It's not really "backward",
though it seems to be backward from the Western standpoint.

Loagaeth should be written just like a Semitic book.

> Part of my confusion is that in all the books I have ( none of which write out
any calls in Enochian script, but rather in the English ) they show the angelic
words and underneath the English translation and they are always written left to
right!!

Yes, but the Calls you are seeing are not written in Angelical characters.  They
are transliterated into Latin characters, which run from left to right.  You
also see this with Hebrew:  the actual Hebrew text is written leftward, but
transliterations read rightward.  That's why you sse transliterated Hebrew words
like Kether, Malkuth and haShem - but not retheK, thuklaM and meShah.

If you see the Calls written out in proper Angelical characters (not
transliterated), they should read leftward or they are technically incorrect.

> Bottom line is I want to write out a paragraph of enochian (actually five
sentences) and am unclear whether each line is treated as a separate right to
left entity or if it shocks be constructed so as one would read the paragraph
starting at the bottom and proceeding right to left to the top

Neither one.  Just write it out like any other paragraph - but it should read
right to left and downward.  Unless you write it in Latin characters, which
would read left to right and downward like English.

LVX
Aaron

#7322 From: "SaToGa" <enochian.mage@...>
Date: Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:07 pm
Subject: B = 2
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If you look at the Mercury Ensign of Creation, you will see on it, the North
Water Seal, upside down and reversed. The B is replaced by it's numerical
equivalent, 2.

I have seen in some reads, comments about B = 7.

Particularly interesting, as Enochian has an overwhelming amount of this letter.

-SaToGa

#7323 From: "SaToGa" <enochian.mage@...>
Date: Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:14 pm
Subject: B = 2
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correction - it is horizontally 'flipped'.. not 'upside down and reversed'

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If you look at the Mercury Ensign of Creation, you will see on it, the North
Water Seal, upside down and reversed. The B is replaced by it's numerical
equivalent, 2.

I have seen in some reads, comments about B = 7.

Particularly interesting, as Enochian has an overwhelming amount of this letter.

-SaToGa

#7324 From: "SaToGa" <enochian.mage@...>
Date: Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:49 pm
Subject: The Cycling Office of King Camara?
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King Carmara tells Dee "to cast thine eyes upon the general Prince, Governor or
Angel that is principal in this world. Then place my name..."

Without naming who the general prince governor or angel - this seems that it is
everchanging - dynamic rather than static.

Also, it appears to me, in my opinion, that King Camara is an 'Office', and
different entities are cycled into becoming a 'King Camara". Again, dynamic
rather than static.

I believe this is why Dee was confused about the Venus Prince. (The Chaldean
Chronology would put it as Anna-el)

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