When I attended elementary school in Iraqi Kurdistan, the Arabic
language, Arab literature and Arab history, as well as learning the
Koran were the most weighed subjects in determining students'
eligibility to move on to the next grades. Although the
schoolteachers at my school were all Kurds, yet had to abide by
central government's curriculum and education guidelines.
Otherwise,
dismissal and other harsher punishments were the alternatives.

This early education influences, as well as that of my mother's
(who
like many of the illiterate Kurdish women of those days, happened to
be religious in her own simple ways), impressed upon my religious
thoughts and behaviour. For several years to follow, I became a
dedicated Muslim who would go to the extreme not to miss a prayer and
or a day's fasting in Ramadan. Throughout the years that I
attended
the university in Baghdad, I chose to befriend some of the devoted
Muslims, and attend Friday prayers at the mosques that were known to
have the most knowledgeable and faithful mullahs.

In the four years that I lived in Baghdad, my conscience was
constantly bombarded by prejudice and discriminatory remarks from
nationalist Arabs, merely for being a Kurd. I also faced harsh
criticism from religious Arabs for not expressing my religious
thoughts in a way to fall exactly in line with their views and
understanding of Islam religion and its practices.

Although my sense of pride was often rattled by Arabs' crude
mannerism, yet my Kurdish human and cultural values were holding me
back from reacting in a matching style. Besides, being a Kurd in
Baghdad, I was aware of the many cultural and authoritative odds
against me. But thanks to Arab's cruel nature and their inherent
indisposition for rational behaviour, I got away from this sour
experience with a valuable lesson which paved the way for my eventual
escape from the realm of religious illusions to a life of
intellectual reality where I became my own free master of thinking
and reasoning.

As I became more and more aware of Iraq's `Arab
controlled' violent
political environment and its blistering effect on the lives and the
welfare of ordinary Kurds, I grew more suspicious of Arab intentions
towards the Kurds. Such suspicions combined with my day-to-day
observations resulted in the loosening of my religious thoughts in
favour of the hard realities as they were shaping up by influences
independent from supernatural powers of Arab Allah.

The next significant chapter in my educated thoughts started after I
left Kurdistan to the West. There, I experienced different cultures
and a much more contrasting political reality. I met Christians,
Jews, Buddhists and people of other religious dominations. Their
individual qualities seemed to be in contrary to Arab's prejudice
views propagated via educational systems and religious preaching in
Iraq and elsewhere in the Middle East, with the purpose to convince
Muslims that Islam religion and Arab values and heritage are superior
to other religions, values and cultures.

The comfort that I experience with people from other religions and
cultures was significant enough to feel a great sense of deception
and betrayal by Arab educational systems, as well as their repressive
and discriminatory cultural and religious practices.

My exposure to different aspects of my new Western society resulted
in open-mindedness and the development of a set of unbiased and
objective judgmental standards that I also applied to my religious
thoughts. Hence, I began to think about the existence of the universe
and tried to justify the role of supernatural powers in such a
complex and puzzling issue.

It took me a while, but I finally reached at a convincing conclusion,
which gifted me with peace of mind, and full liberation of my
thoughts from my former "bizarre" Islamic believes. I
concluded my
quest for an answer to the question of the origin of the universe and
creation as the following:

- Universe is an infinite open space, with no physical boundaries. If
otherwise, then what is the form and the source of matter that the
boundaries are made of, and what is there behind these frontiers. It
just does not make any sense for such physical boundaries to exist.

- Where did matter come from? Matter, as we are accustomed to know
did not exist in the infinite open space. Yet, knowing that in
reality matter does exist, it will leave us with the logical
conclusion that matter began to exist at some form and at some point
in time.

- In my opinion, the origin of matter started with sub-particles that
were just bigger than zero (or nothing), which also had some form of
energy (probably, of electro-magnetic nature). These sub-particles
(initial micro building blocks of the universe) were also un-
identical in the sense that the amount of energy they contained was
not the same. Over time, small variations in between an infinite
amount of sub-particles resulted in generating great complexities
that were required in the evolving of the universe.

- As the number of these particles grew more and more, their close
proximity from one another resulted in the process of attraction and
formation of clusters (more likely, due to their electromagnetic
characteristics). This process may have taken billions of years that
eventually resulted in the development of a gigantic mass of combined
sub-particles with tremendous spinning motion and accumulative
energy. At some point this energy had to be released in a huge
explosion `similar to what is known today as the `Big
Bang''.

- This process may have happened many times and may continue to
happen into an indefinite future.

- The compressed gaseous layers closer to the core with much greater
temperatures may have resulted in the creation of many super-hot
stars similar to the `Sun' of our planet earth, while the
gaseous
masses from the other layers resulted in the creations of great
numbers of other gaseous planets that varied in density, size and
temperature. The different levels of magnetic energy that each planet
possessed resulted in the formation of different constellations.

- Depending on the proximity of a planet to its sun and the amount of
time it took to cool down and go through natural evolutionary stages,
life began to develop, exists today, and will continue to
concurrently on multiple planets. The existence of life on planets is
by far dependent on the level of heat they receive from their
individual suns; levels that start at the peak but continue to
diminish. Since planets go through continuous changes, life on them
is only temporary; as it starts at one point in time, it has to end
at a later point in the eternal life of the universe.

- As for the question of how life began, the answer is simple: With
energy possessing matter, proper ranges of temperature, and the
unstoppable clock of the universe, it is imminent that at some point,
the many components that are required to build a basic biological
unit, eventually will come together. Again, with the elapse of time,
these basic units will undergo the complex process of evolution,
impacted by the factors of quantity and quality.

- Thus, all creatures, everything else on this planet, and the whole
universe are made up of the same ancestral building blocks `sub-
particles', and that the only difference is in the natural
engineering of process and packaging. Water in its physical,
qualitative and quantitative states is a simple analogous example to
explain the building relationship between a basic micro unit (a
vapour particle) and gigantic physical bodies of oceans' water.

- As for the possibility of having supernatural entities out there,
one can't exclude the possibility of having intelligent creatures
whose existence and evolution preceded life on the planet earth by a
long time. These intelligent living entities may possess much greater
levels of science and technology by which they have learned to
replace their entire bodies with non-biodegradable and/or very long
lasting substances.

- Even if there exist such long or ever-living intelligent beings, it
will be impossible for them to have any significant influence on the
greater universe. They will never be able to create planets. They may
be able to introduce life to the accessible planets, but only if the
natural conditions for it do exist on them. They may be able to visit
or invade a nearby planet, but it would be very unlikely for them to
act as dictating and mean super-intelligent beings.

- The ridiculous notion of having one supernatural entity, which is
in control of the universe and has a system of punishment and rewards
for the living and the dead of the human race, is just too gross of
an illusion to be sustained by any credible intelligent thinking.

Immediately after I arrived at such conclusions, my religious
thoughts turned upside down. When my thinking was Islamic, I did not
have much of consideration for nature beyond the limits of the human
race, as if humans are separate from the rest of the living nature.
Thanks to my new knowledge and thoughts, I no longer live in that
tight range of intellectual boundaries, neither do I possess tendency
to harm even the smallest of the visible creatures, e.g. spiders,
worms, ants, etc. I feel that I am closely connected to everything in
the universe, not just one type of people, one form of life, and one
planet.

Am I pleased with my new thoughts? Do I believe that I am my own
master of thinking? Do I believe that I am a more rational, objective
and confident person than before? Do I feel that my life is more
meaningful now than the past? Yes, yes, yes, with no second thoughts.
My spiritual freedom from the old and outdated illusions of the 14
centuries ago gave me a new sense of dignity and a greater sense of
self-worth.

Now, I sincerely wish that my Kurdish people would learn to make
proper use of the power of their faculties by seeking and exploring
innovative and dynamic thoughts, than investing their intellectual
resources in potent ancient religious thoughts of Arab origin. For
what they have been through at the hands of Arab Muslims, Kurds
should need no more poof to realize that such thoughts often has been
the main source for Arab legitimacy to commit acts of violence, hate,
discrimination, theft, deceit, rape, looting, murder, mass graves,
genocide, Anfal, burial of thousands of live women and children,
mutilation of dead bodies, terrorism blackmail and all forms of
barbaric and uncivilised behaviour against the others.

One effective weapon that civilized nations are capable of using in
their fight against Arab Islamic fanaticism is their economic and
political leverage to make inter-religious studies, and more
importantly teaching of scientific theories and researches about
universe and creation mandatory at all state sponsored intermediate
and high school stages in all the Islamic countries. For as long as
Islamic religious ideals remain to be the only available and enforced
choice of forming ones consciousness in the Muslim world, the door to
uncivilized thoughts and values, terrorism and abuse will remain wide
open, while remaining tightly shut to the civilized notions of
democracy, moderation and openness. The illusive ideals of Allah,
Muhammad, Koran will remain hot tools in the hands of Arab
nationalist and religious dark forces to recruit tens of millions of
naïve and under-educated Muslims from the pool of 1.4 billion
Muslim
population.

Having told the story of the transformation of my religious thoughts,
I like to underline that my views are the result of my own free and
independent thinking, observations and reasoning. The high degree of
self-satisfaction and peace of mind that I have derived from
liberating my thoughts from potent and outdated Islamic thoughts and
influences is what prompted me to share such a valuable experience
with the others.

Before I conclude this article, I would like to highlight a few
bizarre contradictions in Islam religion:

- On one hand Islam depicts Allah as the most merciful of all, yet
Muslim fanatics have chosen to please Allah with murdering and
spilling the blood of the innocent.

- Islam attributes the fate of all humanbeings as being predetermined
by Allah. Thus, justifying selective consequences from
individuals'
behaviour as Allah's wish. In many respects, Islam has taken
individuals' off the hook for their responsibility in making
appropriate judgements. In effect, Islam promotes irrational fatalism
at the expense of objectivity and living realities.

- Islam is claimed by Muslims to be the religion of justice, peace
and compassion, yet in the name of Islam, barbarous Arab tribes
gradually invaded the land of the Kurds `Kurdistan' and
brought
brutality closer to their frontiers. Saddam Hussein and his Bathist
thugs with the tacit blessing of the Arab nation along with almost
all other Islamic nations, were determined to finish the job by
attempting to neutralize the Kurds once for all, and populate their
land with Arabs brought in from elsewhere.

- In the name of Allah, Mohammed, Islam and Arab nation, Arab Muslims
murder civilian Jews and Westerners wherever they can reach their
victims. They abduct, kill, and torture foreign civilians in Iraq who
have left their loved ones behind and travelled a long way to Iraq
for helping relatives and co-citizens of the same killer thugs. The
inherent brutality of these murderous Arabs knows no limits. As if
taking human lives by itself is not enough to quench their thirst for
blood and satisfy their lust for brutality, they burn, mutilate, and
desecrate the corpses of the victims they murder;

- Koran make claims such as: The universe is made up of seven layers
of skies (but no mention of their names, distances and contents);
Allah built the universe in seven days (No date given! What an
incredible mighty engineer Allah is!). Every martyred Muslim male
will be rewarded with 40 virgins (Why 40? why so many? What about
females? If Allah is fair and companionate; why such a perverted
privilege has to be limited to Muslim males only?).

I sincerely believe that an educated Kurd who fails to free
himself/herself from the influences of "Arab fabricated"
Islamic
religious delusions and Arab cultural heritage, also fails to pay the
due respect to the souls of the 200,000 or more victims of Anfal and
Halabja. Distancing themselves from primitive and violence prone Arab
religious and cultural ideals is the right way for the Kurds to
peacefully avenge for Arab brutality against their peaceful Kurdish
nation. By the same token, the most effective way for the Kurds to
achieve full freedom and independence from Arab rule and Arab
homogeny is to think and act as a distinct people who are ethnically,
ethically, intellectually and culturally predisposed to be different
from Arabs in many irreconcilable ways. I call this "The process
of
rehabilitation by disassociation". Therefore, the most honourable
challenge ahead of the current and future generations of Kurdish
intellectuals is to do whatever it takes to wipe-out the entire
accumulative Arab religious and cultural influences that has for too
long, afflicted the Kurds and desecrated their land
`Kurdistan'.

For more information on a free Kurdistan,please email
asokamaL1@... or a.salih@...

asso kamal and abdollah salih .





































































































<carib_chyna@y...> wrote:
> When I attended elementary school in Iraqi Kurdistan, the Arabic
> language, Arab literature and Arab history, as well as learning the
> Koran were the most weighed subjects in determining students'
> eligibility to move on to the next grades. Although the
> schoolteachers at my school were all Kurds, yet had to abide by
> central government's curriculum and education guidelines.
Otherwise,
> dismissal and other harsher punishments were the alternatives.
>
> This early education influences, as well as that of my mother's
(who
> like many of the illiterate Kurdish women of those days, happened
to
> be religious in her own simple ways), impressed upon my religious
> thoughts and behaviour. For several years to follow, I became a
> dedicated Muslim who would go to the extreme not to miss a prayer
and
> or a day's fasting in Ramadan. Throughout the years that I attended
> the university in Baghdad, I chose to befriend some of the devoted
> Muslims, and attend Friday prayers at the mosques that were known
to
> have the most knowledgeable and faithful mullahs.
>
> In the four years that I lived in Baghdad, my conscience was
> constantly bombarded by prejudice and discriminatory remarks from
> nationalist Arabs, merely for being a Kurd. I also faced harsh
> criticism from religious Arabs for not expressing my religious
> thoughts in a way to fall exactly in line with their views and
> understanding of Islam religion and its practices.
>
> Although my sense of pride was often rattled by Arabs' crude
> mannerism, yet my Kurdish human and cultural values were holding me
> back from reacting in a matching style. Besides, being a Kurd in
> Baghdad, I was aware of the many cultural and authoritative odds
> against me. But thanks to Arab's cruel nature and their inherent
> indisposition for rational behaviour, I got away from this sour
> experience with a valuable lesson which paved the way for my
eventual
> escape from the realm of religious illusions to a life of
> intellectual reality where I became my own free master of thinking
> and reasoning.
>
> As I became more and more aware of Iraq's `Arab controlled' violent
> political environment and its blistering effect on the lives and
the
> welfare of ordinary Kurds, I grew more suspicious of Arab
intentions
> towards the Kurds. Such suspicions combined with my day-to-day
> observations resulted in the loosening of my religious thoughts in
> favour of the hard realities as they were shaping up by influences
> independent from supernatural powers of Arab Allah.
>
> The next significant chapter in my educated thoughts started after
I
> left Kurdistan to the West. There, I experienced different cultures
> and a much more contrasting political reality. I met Christians,
> Jews, Buddhists and people of other religious dominations. Their
> individual qualities seemed to be in contrary to Arab's prejudice
> views propagated via educational systems and religious preaching in
> Iraq and elsewhere in the Middle East, with the purpose to convince
> Muslims that Islam religion and Arab values and heritage are
superior
> to other religions, values and cultures.
>
> The comfort that I experience with people from other religions and
> cultures was significant enough to feel a great sense of deception
> and betrayal by Arab educational systems, as well as their
repressive
> and discriminatory cultural and religious practices.
>
> My exposure to different aspects of my new Western society resulted
> in open-mindedness and the development of a set of unbiased and
> objective judgmental standards that I also applied to my religious
> thoughts. Hence, I began to think about the existence of the
universe
> and tried to justify the role of supernatural powers in such a
> complex and puzzling issue.
>
> It took me a while, but I finally reached at a convincing
conclusion,
> which gifted me with peace of mind, and full liberation of my
> thoughts from my former "bizarre" Islamic believes. I concluded my
> quest for an answer to the question of the origin of the universe
and
> creation as the following:
>
> - Universe is an infinite open space, with no physical boundaries.
If
> otherwise, then what is the form and the source of matter that the
> boundaries are made of, and what is there behind these frontiers.
It
> just does not make any sense for such physical boundaries to exist.
>
> - Where did matter come from? Matter, as we are accustomed to know
> did not exist in the infinite open space. Yet, knowing that in
> reality matter does exist, it will leave us with the logical
> conclusion that matter began to exist at some form and at some
point
> in time.
>
> - In my opinion, the origin of matter started with sub-particles
that
> were just bigger than zero (or nothing), which also had some form
of
> energy (probably, of electro-magnetic nature). These sub-particles
> (initial micro building blocks of the universe) were also un-
> identical in the sense that the amount of energy they contained was
> not the same. Over time, small variations in between an infinite
> amount of sub-particles resulted in generating great complexities
> that were required in the evolving of the universe.
>
> - As the number of these particles grew more and more, their close
> proximity from one another resulted in the process of attraction
and
> formation of clusters (more likely, due to their electromagnetic
> characteristics). This process may have taken billions of years
that
> eventually resulted in the development of a gigantic mass of
combined
> sub-particles with tremendous spinning motion and accumulative
> energy. At some point this energy had to be released in a huge
> explosion `similar to what is known today as the `Big Bang''.
>
> - This process may have happened many times and may continue to
> happen into an indefinite future.
>
> - The compressed gaseous layers closer to the core with much
greater
> temperatures may have resulted in the creation of many super-hot
> stars similar to the `Sun' of our planet earth, while the gaseous
> masses from the other layers resulted in the creations of great
> numbers of other gaseous planets that varied in density, size and
> temperature. The different levels of magnetic energy that each
planet
> possessed resulted in the formation of different constellations.
>
> - Depending on the proximity of a planet to its sun and the amount
of
> time it took to cool down and go through natural evolutionary
stages,
> life began to develop, exists today, and will continue to
> concurrently on multiple planets. The existence of life on planets
is
> by far dependent on the level of heat they receive from their
> individual suns; levels that start at the peak but continue to
> diminish. Since planets go through continuous changes, life on them
> is only temporary; as it starts at one point in time, it has to end
> at a later point in the eternal life of the universe.
>
> - As for the question of how life began, the answer is simple: With
> energy possessing matter, proper ranges of temperature, and the
> unstoppable clock of the universe, it is imminent that at some
point,
> the many components that are required to build a basic biological
> unit, eventually will come together. Again, with the elapse of
time,
> these basic units will undergo the complex process of evolution,
> impacted by the factors of quantity and quality.
>
> - Thus, all creatures, everything else on this planet, and the
whole
> universe are made up of the same ancestral building blocks `sub-
> particles', and that the only difference is in the natural
> engineering of process and packaging. Water in its physical,
> qualitative and quantitative states is a simple analogous example
to
> explain the building relationship between a basic micro unit (a
> vapour particle) and gigantic physical bodies of oceans' water.
>
> - As for the possibility of having supernatural entities out there,
> one can't exclude the possibility of having intelligent creatures
> whose existence and evolution preceded life on the planet earth by
a
> long time. These intelligent living entities may possess much
greater
> levels of science and technology by which they have learned to
> replace their entire bodies with non-biodegradable and/or very long
> lasting substances.
>
> - Even if there exist such long or ever-living intelligent beings,
it
> will be impossible for them to have any significant influence on
the
> greater universe. They will never be able to create planets. They
may
> be able to introduce life to the accessible planets, but only if
the
> natural conditions for it do exist on them. They may be able to
visit
> or invade a nearby planet, but it would be very unlikely for them
to
> act as dictating and mean super-intelligent beings.
>
> - The ridiculous notion of having one supernatural entity, which is
> in control of the universe and has a system of punishment and
rewards
> for the living and the dead of the human race, is just too gross of
> an illusion to be sustained by any credible intelligent thinking.
>
> Immediately after I arrived at such conclusions, my religious
> thoughts turned upside down. When my thinking was Islamic, I did
not
> have much of consideration for nature beyond the limits of the
human
> race, as if humans are separate from the rest of the living nature.
> Thanks to my new knowledge and thoughts, I no longer live in that
> tight range of intellectual boundaries, neither do I possess
tendency
> to harm even the smallest of the visible creatures, e.g. spiders,
> worms, ants, etc. I feel that I am closely connected to everything
in
> the universe, not just one type of people, one form of life, and
one
> planet.
>
> Am I pleased with my new thoughts? Do I believe that I am my own
> master of thinking? Do I believe that I am a more rational,
objective
> and confident person than before? Do I feel that my life is more
> meaningful now than the past? Yes, yes, yes, with no second
thoughts.
> My spiritual freedom from the old and outdated illusions of the 14
> centuries ago gave me a new sense of dignity and a greater sense of
> self-worth.
>
> Now, I sincerely wish that my Kurdish people would learn to make
> proper use of the power of their faculties by seeking and exploring
> innovative and dynamic thoughts, than investing their intellectual
> resources in potent ancient religious thoughts of Arab origin. For
> what they have been through at the hands of Arab Muslims, Kurds
> should need no more poof to realize that such thoughts often has
been
> the main source for Arab legitimacy to commit acts of violence,
hate,
> discrimination, theft, deceit, rape, looting, murder, mass graves,
> genocide, Anfal, burial of thousands of live women and children,
> mutilation of dead bodies, terrorism blackmail and all forms of
> barbaric and uncivilised behaviour against the others.
>
> One effective weapon that civilized nations are capable of using in
> their fight against Arab Islamic fanaticism is their economic and
> political leverage to make inter-religious studies, and more
> importantly teaching of scientific theories and researches about
> universe and creation mandatory at all state sponsored intermediate
> and high school stages in all the Islamic countries. For as long as
> Islamic religious ideals remain to be the only available and
enforced
> choice of forming ones consciousness in the Muslim world, the door
to
> uncivilized thoughts and values, terrorism and abuse will remain
wide
> open, while remaining tightly shut to the civilized notions of
> democracy, moderation and openness. The illusive ideals of Allah,
> Muhammad, Koran will remain hot tools in the hands of Arab
> nationalist and religious dark forces to recruit tens of millions
of
> naïve and under-educated Muslims from the pool of 1.4 billion
Muslim
> population.
>
> Having told the story of the transformation of my religious
thoughts,
> I like to underline that my views are the result of my own free and
> independent thinking, observations and reasoning. The high degree
of
> self-satisfaction and peace of mind that I have derived from
> liberating my thoughts from potent and outdated Islamic thoughts
and
> influences is what prompted me to share such a valuable experience
> with the others.
>
> Before I conclude this article, I would like to highlight a few
> bizarre contradictions in Islam religion:
>
> - On one hand Islam depicts Allah as the most merciful of all, yet
> Muslim fanatics have chosen to please Allah with murdering and
> spilling the blood of the innocent.
>
> - Islam attributes the fate of all humanbeings as being
predetermined
> by Allah. Thus, justifying selective consequences from individuals'
> behaviour as Allah's wish. In many respects, Islam has taken
> individuals' off the hook for their responsibility in making
> appropriate judgements. In effect, Islam promotes irrational
fatalism
> at the expense of objectivity and living realities.
>
> - Islam is claimed by Muslims to be the religion of justice, peace
> and compassion, yet in the name of Islam, barbarous Arab tribes
> gradually invaded the land of the Kurds `Kurdistan' and brought
> brutality closer to their frontiers. Saddam Hussein and his Bathist
> thugs with the tacit blessing of the Arab nation along with almost
> all other Islamic nations, were determined to finish the job by
> attempting to neutralize the Kurds once for all, and populate their
> land with Arabs brought in from elsewhere.
>
> - In the name of Allah, Mohammed, Islam and Arab nation, Arab
Muslims
> murder civilian Jews and Westerners wherever they can reach their
> victims. They abduct, kill, and torture foreign civilians in Iraq
who
> have left their loved ones behind and travelled a long way to Iraq
> for helping relatives and co-citizens of the same killer thugs. The
> inherent brutality of these murderous Arabs knows no limits. As if
> taking human lives by itself is not enough to quench their thirst
for
> blood and satisfy their lust for brutality, they burn, mutilate,
and
> desecrate the corpses of the victims they murder;
>
> - Koran make claims such as: The universe is made up of seven
layers
> of skies (but no mention of their names, distances and contents);
> Allah built the universe in seven days (No date given! What an
> incredible mighty engineer Allah is!). Every martyred Muslim male
> will be rewarded with 40 virgins (Why 40? why so many? What about
> females? If Allah is fair and companionate; why such a perverted
> privilege has to be limited to Muslim males only?).
>
> I sincerely believe that an educated Kurd who fails to free
> himself/herself from the influences of "Arab fabricated" Islamic
> religious delusions and Arab cultural heritage, also fails to pay
the
> due respect to the souls of the 200,000 or more victims of Anfal
and
> Halabja. Distancing themselves from primitive and violence prone
Arab
> religious and cultural ideals is the right way for the Kurds to
> peacefully avenge for Arab brutality against their peaceful Kurdish
> nation. By the same token, the most effective way for the Kurds to
> achieve full freedom and independence from Arab rule and Arab
> homogeny is to think and act as a distinct people who are
ethnically,
> ethically, intellectually and culturally predisposed to be
different
> from Arabs in many irreconcilable ways. I call this "The process of
> rehabilitation by disassociation". Therefore, the most honourable
> challenge ahead of the current and future generations of Kurdish
> intellectuals is to do whatever it takes to wipe-out the entire
> accumulative Arab religious and cultural influences that has for
too
> long, afflicted the Kurds and desecrated their land `Kurdistan'.

















wrote:
> When I attended elementary school in Iraqi Kurdistan, the Arabic
> language, Arab literature and Arab history, as well as learning the
> Koran were the most weighed subjects in determining students'
> eligibility to move on to the next grades. Although the
> schoolteachers at my school were all Kurds, yet had to abide by
> central government's curriculum and education guidelines.
> Otherwise,
> dismissal and other harsher punishments were the alternatives.
>
> This early education influences, as well as that of my mother's
> (who
> like many of the illiterate Kurdish women of those days, happened
to
> be religious in her own simple ways), impressed upon my religious
> thoughts and behaviour. For several years to follow, I became a
> dedicated Muslim who would go to the extreme not to miss a prayer
and
> or a day's fasting in Ramadan. Throughout the years that I
> attended
> the university in Baghdad, I chose to befriend some of the devoted
> Muslims, and attend Friday prayers at the mosques that were known
to
> have the most knowledgeable and faithful mullahs.
>
> In the four years that I lived in Baghdad, my conscience was
> constantly bombarded by prejudice and discriminatory remarks from
> nationalist Arabs, merely for being a Kurd. I also faced harsh
> criticism from religious Arabs for not expressing my religious
> thoughts in a way to fall exactly in line with their views and
> understanding of Islam religion and its practices.
>
> Although my sense of pride was often rattled by Arabs' crude
> mannerism, yet my Kurdish human and cultural values were holding me
> back from reacting in a matching style. Besides, being a Kurd in
> Baghdad, I was aware of the many cultural and authoritative odds
> against me. But thanks to Arab's cruel nature and their inherent
> indisposition for rational behaviour, I got away from this sour
> experience with a valuable lesson which paved the way for my
eventual
> escape from the realm of religious illusions to a life of
> intellectual reality where I became my own free master of thinking
> and reasoning.
>
> As I became more and more aware of Iraq's `Arab
> controlled' violent
> political environment and its blistering effect on the lives and
the
> welfare of ordinary Kurds, I grew more suspicious of Arab
intentions
> towards the Kurds. Such suspicions combined with my day-to-day
> observations resulted in the loosening of my religious thoughts in
> favour of the hard realities as they were shaping up by influences
> independent from supernatural powers of Arab Allah.
>
> The next significant chapter in my educated thoughts started after
I
> left Kurdistan to the West. There, I experienced different cultures
> and a much more contrasting political reality. I met Christians,
> Jews, Buddhists and people of other religious dominations. Their
> individual qualities seemed to be in contrary to Arab's prejudice
> views propagated via educational systems and religious preaching in
> Iraq and elsewhere in the Middle East, with the purpose to convince
> Muslims that Islam religion and Arab values and heritage are
superior
> to other religions, values and cultures.
>
> The comfort that I experience with people from other religions and
> cultures was significant enough to feel a great sense of deception
> and betrayal by Arab educational systems, as well as their
repressive
> and discriminatory cultural and religious practices.
>
> My exposure to different aspects of my new Western society resulted
> in open-mindedness and the development of a set of unbiased and
> objective judgmental standards that I also applied to my religious
> thoughts. Hence, I began to think about the existence of the
universe
> and tried to justify the role of supernatural powers in such a
> complex and puzzling issue.
>
> It took me a while, but I finally reached at a convincing
conclusion,
> which gifted me with peace of mind, and full liberation of my
> thoughts from my former "bizarre" Islamic believes. I
> concluded my
> quest for an answer to the question of the origin of the universe
and
> creation as the following:
>
> - Universe is an infinite open space, with no physical boundaries.
If
> otherwise, then what is the form and the source of matter that the
> boundaries are made of, and what is there behind these frontiers.
It
> just does not make any sense for such physical boundaries to exist.
>
> - Where did matter come from? Matter, as we are accustomed to know
> did not exist in the infinite open space. Yet, knowing that in
> reality matter does exist, it will leave us with the logical
> conclusion that matter began to exist at some form and at some
point
> in time.
>
> - In my opinion, the origin of matter started with sub-particles
that
> were just bigger than zero (or nothing), which also had some form
of
> energy (probably, of electro-magnetic nature). These sub-particles
> (initial micro building blocks of the universe) were also un-
> identical in the sense that the amount of energy they contained was
> not the same. Over time, small variations in between an infinite
> amount of sub-particles resulted in generating great complexities
> that were required in the evolving of the universe.
>
> - As the number of these particles grew more and more, their close
> proximity from one another resulted in the process of attraction
and
> formation of clusters (more likely, due to their electromagnetic
> characteristics). This process may have taken billions of years
that
> eventually resulted in the development of a gigantic mass of
combined
> sub-particles with tremendous spinning motion and accumulative
> energy. At some point this energy had to be released in a huge
> explosion `similar to what is known today as the `Big
> Bang''.
>
> - This process may have happened many times and may continue to
> happen into an indefinite future.
>
> - The compressed gaseous layers closer to the core with much
greater
> temperatures may have resulted in the creation of many super-hot
> stars similar to the `Sun' of our planet earth, while the
> gaseous
> masses from the other layers resulted in the creations of great
> numbers of other gaseous planets that varied in density, size and
> temperature. The different levels of magnetic energy that each
planet
> possessed resulted in the formation of different constellations.
>
> - Depending on the proximity of a planet to its sun and the amount
of
> time it took to cool down and go through natural evolutionary
stages,
> life began to develop, exists today, and will continue to
> concurrently on multiple planets. The existence of life on planets
is
> by far dependent on the level of heat they receive from their
> individual suns; levels that start at the peak but continue to
> diminish. Since planets go through continuous changes, life on them
> is only temporary; as it starts at one point in time, it has to end
> at a later point in the eternal life of the universe.
>
> - As for the question of how life began, the answer is simple: With
> energy possessing matter, proper ranges of temperature, and the
> unstoppable clock of the universe, it is imminent that at some
point,
> the many components that are required to build a basic biological
> unit, eventually will come together. Again, with the elapse of
time,
> these basic units will undergo the complex process of evolution,
> impacted by the factors of quantity and quality.
>
> - Thus, all creatures, everything else on this planet, and the
whole
> universe are made up of the same ancestral building blocks `sub-
> particles', and that the only difference is in the natural
> engineering of process and packaging. Water in its physical,
> qualitative and quantitative states is a simple analogous example
to
> explain the building relationship between a basic micro unit (a
> vapour particle) and gigantic physical bodies of oceans' water.
>
> - As for the possibility of having supernatural entities out there,
> one can't exclude the possibility of having intelligent creatures
> whose existence and evolution preceded life on the planet earth by
a
> long time. These intelligent living entities may possess much
greater
> levels of science and technology by which they have learned to
> replace their entire bodies with non-biodegradable and/or very long
> lasting substances.
>
> - Even if there exist such long or ever-living intelligent beings,
it
> will be impossible for them to have any significant influence on
the
> greater universe. They will never be able to create planets. They
may
> be able to introduce life to the accessible planets, but only if
the
> natural conditions for it do exist on them. They may be able to
visit
> or invade a nearby planet, but it would be very unlikely for them
to
> act as dictating and mean super-intelligent beings.
>
> - The ridiculous notion of having one supernatural entity, which is
> in control of the universe and has a system of punishment and
rewards
> for the living and the dead of the human race, is just too gross of
> an illusion to be sustained by any credible intelligent thinking.
>
> Immediately after I arrived at such conclusions, my religious
> thoughts turned upside down. When my thinking was Islamic, I did
not
> have much of consideration for nature beyond the limits of the
human
> race, as if humans are separate from the rest of the living nature.
> Thanks to my new knowledge and thoughts, I no longer live in that
> tight range of intellectual boundaries, neither do I possess
tendency
> to harm even the smallest of the visible creatures, e.g. spiders,
> worms, ants, etc. I feel that I am closely connected to everything
in
> the universe, not just one type of people, one form of life, and
one
> planet.
>
> Am I pleased with my new thoughts? Do I believe that I am my own
> master of thinking? Do I believe that I am a more rational,
objective
> and confident person than before? Do I feel that my life is more
> meaningful now than the past? Yes, yes, yes, with no second
thoughts.
> My spiritual freedom from the old and outdated illusions of the 14
> centuries ago gave me a new sense of dignity and a greater sense of
> self-worth.
>
> Now, I sincerely wish that my Kurdish people would learn to make
> proper use of the power of their faculties by seeking and exploring
> innovative and dynamic thoughts, than investing their intellectual
> resources in potent ancient religious thoughts of Arab origin. For
> what they have been through at the hands of Arab Muslims, Kurds
> should need no more poof to realize that such thoughts often has
been
> the main source for Arab legitimacy to commit acts of violence,
hate,
> discrimination, theft, deceit, rape, looting, murder, mass graves,
> genocide, Anfal, burial of thousands of live women and children,
> mutilation of dead bodies, terrorism blackmail and all forms of
> barbaric and uncivilised behaviour against the others.
>
> One effective weapon that civilized nations are capable of using in
> their fight against Arab Islamic fanaticism is their economic and
> political leverage to make inter-religious studies, and more
> importantly teaching of scientific theories and researches about
> universe and creation mandatory at all state sponsored intermediate
> and high school stages in all the Islamic countries. For as long as
> Islamic religious ideals remain to be the only available and
enforced
> choice of forming ones consciousness in the Muslim world, the door
to
> uncivilized thoughts and values, terrorism and abuse will remain
wide
> open, while remaining tightly shut to the civilized notions of
> democracy, moderation and openness. The illusive ideals of Allah,
> Muhammad, Koran will remain hot tools in the hands of Arab
> nationalist and religious dark forces to recruit tens of millions
of
> naïve and under-educated Muslims from the pool of 1.4 billion
> Muslim
> population.
>
> Having told the story of the transformation of my religious
thoughts,
> I like to underline that my views are the result of my own free and
> independent thinking, observations and reasoning. The high degree
of
> self-satisfaction and peace of mind that I have derived from
> liberating my thoughts from potent and outdated Islamic thoughts
and
> influences is what prompted me to share such a valuable experience
> with the others.
>
> Before I conclude this article, I would like to highlight a few
> bizarre contradictions in Islam religion:
>
> - On one hand Islam depicts Allah as the most merciful of all, yet
> Muslim fanatics have chosen to please Allah with murdering and
> spilling the blood of the innocent.
>
> - Islam attributes the fate of all humanbeings as being
predetermined
> by Allah. Thus, justifying selective consequences from
> individuals'
> behaviour as Allah's wish. In many respects, Islam has taken
> individuals' off the hook for their responsibility in making
> appropriate judgements. In effect, Islam promotes irrational
fatalism
> at the expense of objectivity and living realities.
>
> - Islam is claimed by Muslims to be the religion of justice, peace
> and compassion, yet in the name of Islam, barbarous Arab tribes
> gradually invaded the land of the Kurds `Kurdistan' and
> brought
> brutality closer to their frontiers. Saddam Hussein and his Bathist
> thugs with the tacit blessing of the Arab nation along with almost
> all other Islamic nations, were determined to finish the job by
> attempting to neutralize the Kurds once for all, and populate their
> land with Arabs brought in from elsewhere.
>
> - In the name of Allah, Mohammed, Islam and Arab nation, Arab
Muslims
> murder civilian Jews and Westerners wherever they can reach their
> victims. They abduct, kill, and torture foreign civilians in Iraq
who
> have left their loved ones behind and travelled a long way to Iraq
> for helping relatives and co-citizens of the same killer thugs. The
> inherent brutality of these murderous Arabs knows no limits. As if
> taking human lives by itself is not enough to quench their thirst
for
> blood and satisfy their lust for brutality, they burn, mutilate,
and
> desecrate the corpses of the victims they murder;
>
> - Koran make claims such as: The universe is made up of seven
layers
> of skies (but no mention of their names, distances and contents);
> Allah built the universe in seven days (No date given! What an
> incredible mighty engineer Allah is!). Every martyred Muslim male
> will be rewarded with 40 virgins (Why 40? why so many? What about
> females? If Allah is fair and companionate; why such a perverted
> privilege has to be limited to Muslim males only?).
>
> I sincerely believe that an educated Kurd who fails to free
> himself/herself from the influences of "Arab fabricated"
> Islamic
> religious delusions and Arab cultural heritage, also fails to pay
the
> due respect to the souls of the 200,000 or more victims of Anfal
and
> Halabja. Distancing themselves from primitive and violence prone
Arab
> religious and cultural ideals is the right way for the Kurds to
> peacefully avenge for Arab brutality against their peaceful Kurdish
> nation. By the same token, the most effective way for the Kurds to
> achieve full freedom and independence from Arab rule and Arab
> homogeny is to think and act as a distinct people who are
ethnically,
> ethically, intellectually and culturally predisposed to be
different
> from Arabs in many irreconcilable ways. I call this "The process
> of
> rehabilitation by disassociation". Therefore, the most honourable
> challenge ahead of the current and future generations of Kurdish
> intellectuals is to do whatever it takes to wipe-out the entire
> accumulative Arab religious and cultural influences that has for
too
> long, afflicted the Kurds and desecrated their land
> `Kurdistan'.

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silaw u riz!
berizan min bo peredan u chakterkerdinewey groupekaman pishniyarim eweye ku
desbikine be  bas kirdin le ser badoduxi gishti kurdistan u her jar
mijarik(babetik) taybet halbijirin u le seri bidwin u her kes le her parchey
kurdistanew ku heye beshdari baseke bikat. eger em pishniyareye pesend dikin
...despibikine!
                                                                                                     
gelik spas!

dlair aziz <dler_83@...> wrote:

slaw hawreyan:
azizanm mn la hunrawa yaxod shi3ri kurdi agarem balam zyatr hazdakam taza bet
boya hiwadarm agar yakek aw dawakariya bo je ba je bkat zor sopasi akam.
la gal rezu slawm.

bratan DLER

s r wrote:

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returnvalue;}Die Welt: Tirkiye ji bo operasyoneke li Baþûrê Kurdistanê xwe amade
dike

  Ji rojnameyên sereke yên Almanyayê Die Welt da xuyakirin, artêþa Tirk xwe amade
dike, ji bo li Baþûrê Kurdistanê operasyoneke berfireh pêk bîne.


Rojnameyê diyar kir, operasyona gengaz a artêþa Tirk, wê piþtî hilbijartinên
Iraqê yên meha Çileyê lidar bikeve.



Li gorî nûçeyê, artêþa Tirk ev bi mehane yekîneyên leþkerî diþîne ser sînor û di
rojên dawî de lez daye amadekariyên xwe yên li Girgê Amo û derdora wê.



Di nûçeya rojnameya Die Welt de tê gotin, Desteya Ewlekariyê ya netewî ya tirk
di civîna xwe ya 27ê mijdarê de operasyona muhtemel a li Baþûrê Kurdistanê
nirxandiye.



Li gorî Die Welt, wê 40 hezar leþkerên tirk tevlî operasyonê bibin.  Rojname
radigihîne, çavkaniyên Baþûrê Kurdistanê-jî heman agahî piþtrast kirine û
Tirkiye wê di çarçoveya operasyonê de Tirkmenan rakin serhildanê.



Rojname, nûçeya xwe dispêre çavkaniyên Kurd û diyar dike, Ajanên Tirk li Kerkûkê
bicih bûne. Tê gotin, Ajanên Tirk, silehan didin Tirkmenan, wan perwerde dikin û
ji bo serhildanê amadekariyan dikin.

Sat, 20 Nov 2004



em hewalem le Roj.tv wer girtuwe u zor pi nakhosh u tore bum! aya berizik le
bashurew ditwani zaniyari zorterik lem bariyewe bom bENERE?

                                                                                
gelik spas.



s r <said59us@...> wrote:
silaw u riz!
berizan min bo peredan u chakterkerdinewey groupekaman pishniyarim eweye ku
desbikine be bas kirdin le ser badoduxi gishti kurdistan u her jar
mijarik(babetik) taybet halbijirin u le seri bidwin u her kes le her parchey
kurdistanew ku heye beshdari baseke bikat. eger em pishniyareye pesend dikin
...despibikine!
gelik spas!

dlair aziz wrote:

slaw hawreyan:
azizanm mn la hunrawa yaxod shi3ri kurdi agarem balam zyatr hazdakam taza bet
boya hiwadarm agar yakek aw dawakariya bo je ba je bkat zor sopasi akam.
la gal rezu slawm.

bratan DLER

s r wrote:

silav u riz !
bEriz fatih chima kurdi nanivisi dElal??!1
Em grupe kEsik tida niyE????!!
spas!

Fatih yuksel wrote:
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Dear members,

I am an American and am half-Chinese.  I have no Kurdish heritage, but
feel very strongly that the Kurdish people need their own country free
from Arab, Turkish, and Persian domination.

I am interested in supporting political lobbying groups to help make
this happen.  If our American government wants this to happen, it will
happen.  The situation in Iraq is a great window of opportunity for a
fee Kurdistan.  A stron Kurdistan would be a key ally and friend of
America in a land where America has very few friends.

I am perplexed why this option is not discussed in the U.S. media as a
viable strategy to stabilize the region called Iraq.  Let the Shiite
Arabs govern their own country in the south.  Let the Kurds in the
north establish Kurdistan to include Mosul and other historically
Kurdish lands.

This would solve so many problems for America.  America is like any
other country in that they only will act if it is in their national
interest.  The American government needs to be convinced it is in
their national interests to have a strong and free Kurdistan in the
middle east.

The Kurds have proven since gulf war one that they are more
progressive than the Arabs and can govern themselves better than Arabs
can govern them.

Anyway, thank you for allowing me to join your group.

Warm Regards,

Eric

Dear Eric(and members)
Hi and welcome!
Thank you for your friendly feeling.If we ,kurdish people, had good friends like
you among the american politicians we would govern our own country.But i hope
kurd can enjoy the new slogons of your govenment to help the Middle Eastern
countries to have democratic communities but not in a way they helped Iraqi
people! I think independent kurdish countary or a kind of confederation or
making  a similiar model to Iraq in the other three occupier countries can be in
the new map of '' bigger middle east'' and can help the States to make a new
real friend for both itself and Israel strategically . But it takes time. But i
think the more useful way is to help kurdish people living in Iran,Turkey ... to
do it themselves by compelling these countries to let the kurdish people
determine their destiny because the democracy is not transported or cant be
imposed. It is a gradual process in which  knowledge ,preparing the
necessities,civillized and mondernized people   and time are basic
  concepts.So if we prepare the conditions we wont need attacking on the
authoritian countries like Iran and Syria or less democratic ones like Turkey .
anyway, id like to thank you  again and want the members to be more active!
                                                                                                       
Regards

Eric Rogers <ericcole1@...> wrote:

Dear members,

I am an American and am half-Chinese.  I have no Kurdish heritage, but
feel very strongly that the Kurdish people need their own country free
from Arab, Turkish, and Persian domination.

I am interested in supporting political lobbying groups to help make
this happen.  If our American government wants this to happen, it will
happen.  The situation in Iraq is a great window of opportunity for a
fee Kurdistan.  A stron Kurdistan would be a key ally and friend of
America in a land where America has very few friends.

I am perplexed why this option is not discussed in the U.S. media as a
viable strategy to stabilize the region called Iraq.  Let the Shiite
Arabs govern their own country in the south.  Let the Kurds in the
north establish Kurdistan to include Mosul and other historically
Kurdish lands.

This would solve so many problems for America.  America is like any
other country in that they only will act if it is in their national
interest.  The American government needs to be convinced it is in
their national interests to have a strong and free Kurdistan in the
middle east.

The Kurds have proven since gulf war one that they are more
progressive than the Arabs and can govern themselves better than Arabs
can govern them.

Anyway, thank you for allowing me to join your group.

Warm Regards,

Eric




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Dear Eric(and members)
Hi and welcome!
Thank you for your friendly feeling.If we ,kurdish people, had good friends like
you among the american politicians we would govern our own country.But i hope
kurd can enjoy the new slogons of your govenment to help the Middle Eastern
countries to have democratic communities but not in a way they helped Iraqi
people! I think independent kurdish countary or a kind of confederation or
making  a similiar model to Iraq in the other three occupier countries can be in
the new map of '' bigger middle east'' and can help the States to make a new
real friend for both itself and Israel strategically . But it takes time. But i
think the more useful way is to help kurdish people living in Iran,Turkey ... to
do it themselves by compelling these countries to let the kurdish people
determine their destiny because the democracy is not transported or cant be
imposed. It is a gradual process in which  knowledge ,preparing the
necessities,civillized and mondernized people   and time are basic
  concepts.So if we prepare the conditions we wont need attacking on the
authoritian countries like Iran and Syria or less democratic ones like Turkey .
anyway, id like to thank you  again and want the members to be more active!
                                                                                                       
Regards

Eric Rogers <ericcole1@...> wrote:

Dear members,

I am an American and am half-Chinese.  I have no Kurdish heritage, but
feel very strongly that the Kurdish people need their own country free
from Arab, Turkish, and Persian domination.

I am interested in supporting political lobbying groups to help make
this happen.  If our American government wants this to happen, it will
happen.  The situation in Iraq is a great window of opportunity for a
fee Kurdistan.  A stron Kurdistan would be a key ally and friend of
America in a land where America has very few friends.

I am perplexed why this option is not discussed in the U.S. media as a
viable strategy to stabilize the region called Iraq.  Let the Shiite
Arabs govern their own country in the south.  Let the Kurds in the
north establish Kurdistan to include Mosul and other historically
Kurdish lands.

This would solve so many problems for America.  America is like any
other country in that they only will act if it is in their national
interest.  The American government needs to be convinced it is in
their national interests to have a strong and free Kurdistan in the
middle east.

The Kurds have proven since gulf war one that they are more
progressive than the Arabs and can govern themselves better than Arabs
can govern them.

Anyway, thank you for allowing me to join your group.

Warm Regards,

Eric




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Greetings to all. I thought I should finally introduce
myself and say I wish this list was more active.. I am
not Kurdish, but I learned of the free Kurdistan cause
on the internet, on the news and from Kurdish friends.
I am a guy that lives in California. I believe that
the Kurds have a right to self-rule,
self-determination and a place on every political map,
even in Istanbul

-Thomas

Thank you for your reply.  It appears that the window of opportunity for
a free Kurdistan is in Iraq right now.  That does not appear possible at
this time in the other countries.  So, in my humble opinion, Kurds and
their allies need to pressure the coalition for a free Kurdistan or an
autonomous Kurdistan (with the right to secede) in Iraq.  Then, in the
future, with a strong, democratic Kurdistan in the middle east, future
gains can be made.

One can never predict the future, but Iran and Syria could realistically
find themselves in similar situations to Iraq someday.  This would
provide new future possibilities for Kurdistan.  Perhaps in the near
future Syria and Iran could lose territorial integrity if a revolution or
war takes place.

Most likely, Turkey will remain a strong ally with the west with eventual
admission to the European Union, so independence in Turkey is not
realistic in todays political environment in my humble opinion.  With
that said, no one 20 years ago ever predicted the Soviet Union would
collapse either, so anything is possible.

Still, if my prediction is correct, the ability of the Kurdish people to
move freely in the Eurpean Union would provide greater economic and
political freedom than if Turkey was not admitted into the EU.  The EU
will force Turkey to become more liberal and accomodating to the Kurdish
people.

Warm Regards,

Eric

On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 01:35:47 -0800 (PST) s r <said59us@...> writes:
>
> Dear Eric(and members)
> Hi and welcome!
> Thank you for your friendly feeling.If we ,kurdish people, had good
> friends like you among the american politicians we would govern our
> own country.But i hope kurd can enjoy the new slogons of your
> govenment to help the Middle Eastern countries to have democratic
> communities but not in a way they helped Iraqi people! I think
> independent kurdish countary or a kind of confederation or making  a
> similiar model to Iraq in the other three occupier countries can be
> in the new map of '' bigger middle east'' and can help the States to
> make a new real friend for both itself and Israel strategically .
> But it takes time. But i think the more useful way is to help
> kurdish people living in Iran,Turkey ... to do it themselves by
> compelling these countries to let the kurdish people determine their
> destiny because the democracy is not transported or cant be imposed.
> It is a gradual process in which  knowledge ,preparing the
> necessities,civillized and mondernized people   and time are basic
>  concepts.So if we prepare the conditions we wont need attacking on
> the authoritian countries like Iran and Syria or less democratic
> ones like Turkey .
> anyway, id like to thank you  again and want the members to be more
> active!
>
>                                   Regards
>
> Eric Rogers <ericcole1@...> wrote:
>
> Dear members,
>
> I am an American and am half-Chinese.  I have no Kurdish heritage,
> but
> feel very strongly that the Kurdish people need their own country
> free
> from Arab, Turkish, and Persian domination.
>
> I am interested in supporting political lobbying groups to help
> make
> this happen.  If our American government wants this to happen, it
> will
> happen.  The situation in Iraq is a great window of opportunity for
> a
> fee Kurdistan.  A stron Kurdistan would be a key ally and friend of
> America in a land where America has very few friends.
>
> I am perplexed why this option is not discussed in the U.S. media as
> a
> viable strategy to stabilize the region called Iraq.  Let the
> Shiite
> Arabs govern their own country in the south.  Let the Kurds in the
> north establish Kurdistan to include Mosul and other historically
> Kurdish lands.
>
> This would solve so many problems for America.  America is like any
> other country in that they only will act if it is in their national
> interest.  The American government needs to be convinced it is in
> their national interests to have a strong and free Kurdistan in the
> middle east.
>
> The Kurds have proven since gulf war one that they are more
> progressive than the Arabs and can govern themselves better than
> Arabs
> can govern them.
>
> Anyway, thank you for allowing me to join your group.
>
> Warm Regards,
>
> Eric
>
>
>
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