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Sorry, this is wrong forum to discuss this thing.

"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,

while loving someone gives you courage"

Lao Tzu

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From: "saimonisha" <monishaa@...>
Date: Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:06 pm
Subject: Fw: Copenhagen - the pressure is working!

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#13248

From: "Jacqui Daane" <jayvare@...>
Date: Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:40 am
Subject: Re: To you all

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John,

I am just glad to be here for you and even more glad to be part of your healing journey.

You have what it takes to be a winner. Self belief is very important and you are well on the way to achieving that.

Many blessings and go well today.

Jacqui.

#13247

From: charliemalakar@...
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:35 pm
Subject: Re: To you all

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Hi john,
Its super hearing from you. Stay well over the holiday period.

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From: John Stevens <samsontippysasha@...>

Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 07:30:42 -0800 (PST)

To: <giftoflovingkindness@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindness] To you all

Hi Jacqui,Thank you for your kind words and all you have said which helped me regain me,truly a blessing.Peace and Love,John

--- On Thu, 12/17/09, Jacqui Daane <jayvare@snowisp.com> wrote:

From: Jacqui Daane <jayvare@snowisp.com>
Subject: [giftoflovingkindness] To you all
To: giftoflovingkindness@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 3:11 AM

John, I am glad we are part of your support group. Be assured that I will always be here for you.

Blessings and a smooth road from here on.

Jacqui.

#13246

From: John Stevens <samsontippysasha@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:30 pm
Subject: Re: To you all

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Hi Jacqui,Thank you for your kind words and all you have said which helped me regain me,truly a blessing.Peace and Love,John

--- On Thu, 12/17/09, Jacqui Daane <jayvare@...> wrote:

From: Jacqui Daane <jayvare@...>
Subject: [giftoflovingkindness] To you all
To: giftoflovingkindness@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 3:11 AM

John, I am glad we are part of your support group. Be assured that I will always be here for you.

Blessings and a smooth road from here on.

Jacqui.

#13245

From: John Stevens <samsontippysasha@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:27 pm
Subject: Re: Re: To you all

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Thanks Jane,It,s nice to know there are still people like yourself and others in this group who remain true to there hearts.A Merry Xmas to you to and all the others in this special group who have helped me regain my true self.Peace and Love,John

--- On Wed, 12/16/09, janeloik <janeloik2@...> wrote:

From: janeloik <janeloik2@...>
Subject: [giftoflovingkindness] Re: To you all
To: giftoflovingkindness@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 11:34 PM

Hi John,

I have been watching your progress more or less from the sidelines and praying that you receive the strength to continue on.

I thank you for your recent posts because I was among many who were concerned when we didn't hear from you.

Keep up the good work and a Merry Christmas to you and your family with wishes for the Best in the New Year.

#13244

From: John Stevens <samsontippysasha@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:22 pm
Subject: Re: To you all

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Hi Bonnie,Sorry to hear you have been ill,i hope this email finds you feeling better.I like what you say about being there for each other regardless if it is not always good news.Im still doing well except for an abcess tooth which is on the mend.I find myself on the bus each morning thinking of this group and the words Gift of Loving Kindness which helps me stay in a quiet place in my mind amongst all the people,just kind of zone out,feels good.It is minus 23 C here today with the windchill factor and this is not my favourite time of year but i have learned to go with the flow as i think of so many others in the world who are sick and hungry.Wont be long now before i see my daughter,its been almost 3 years and she will be 14 on Jan.31st,last time i saw her she was 11 and now she is a young lady,cant wait.Peace and Love,John

--- On Wed, 12/16/09, BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@...> wrote:

From: BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@...>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindness] To you all
To: giftoflovingkindness@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 3:19 PM

John;

I have meant to get back to you on your last post but have been ill so did not have the energy. Iam so glad you are doing well and staying on track! It means alot to me to have you doing well after all the struggles you have been through and I can only imagine what they have been like. It is good to know that there are others out there that care without any angendas or judging going on. I can only speak for myself but you can count on me to be there for you whenever you need to share whether it be of happiness or difficulties. We need each other and to connect in a loving kind way when needed. I recieved this kindness from this group about a year ago and I have never forgotten it and I do try and pass it on when I can. If all of us can pass on the loving kindness that we receive from another think what a wonderful world this would be!

I wish you well John. You are on the right path! You are making your daughter so happy and proud and that is worth the world.

In Loving Kindness

Bonnie

--- On Wed, 12/16/09, John Stevens <samsontippysasha@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: John Stevens <samsontippysasha@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [giftoflovingkindne ss] To you all
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 9:21 AM

I just want to say thank you to all of you who have been there for me and have helped me turn my life around.Not sure if it would have happened as quickly as it did without you all.Let all youre lifes be filled with Peace and Love,John i will keep in touch and keep reading the emails.There was a reason i found this group and its becoming clearer by the day.

#13243

From: "Jacqui Daane" <jayvare@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:11 am
Subject: To you all

jvr20nl

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John, I am glad we are part of your support group. Be assured that I will always be here for you.

Blessings and a smooth road from here on.

Jacqui.

#13242

From: "janeloik" <janeloik2@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:34 am
Subject: Re: To you all

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Hi John,

I have been watching your progress more or less from the sidelines and praying
that you receive the strength to continue on.

I thank you for your recent posts because I was among many who were concerned
when we didn't hear from you.

Keep up the good work and a Merry Christmas to you and your family with wishes
for the Best in the New Year.

#13241

From: Dixie Lyons <lladygirl@...>
Date: Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:51 pm
Subject: (No subject)

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#13240

From: BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@...>
Date: Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:19 pm
Subject: Re: To you all

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John;

I have meant to get back to you on your last post but have been ill so did not have the energy. Iam so glad you are doing well and staying on track! It means alot to me to have you doing well after all the struggles you have been through and I can only imagine what they have been like. It is good to know that there are others out there that care without any angendas or judging going on. I can only speak for myself but you can count on me to be there for you whenever you need to share whether it be of happiness or difficulties. We need each other and to connect in a loving kind way when needed. I recieved this kindness from this group about a year ago and I have never forgotten it and I do try and pass it on when I can. If all of us can pass on the loving kindness that we receive from another think what a wonderful world this would be!

I wish you well John. You are on the right path! You are making your daughter so happy and proud and that is worth the world.

In Loving Kindness

Bonnie

--- On Wed, 12/16/09, John Stevens <samsontippysasha@...> wrote:

From: John Stevens <samsontippysasha@...>
Subject: [giftoflovingkindness] To you all
To: giftoflovingkindness@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 9:21 AM

I just want to say thank you to all of you who have been there for me and have helped me turn my life around.Not sure if it would have happened as quickly as it did without you all.Let all youre lifes be filled with Peace and Love,John i will keep in touch and keep reading the emails.There was a reason i found this group and its becoming clearer by the day.

#13239

From: John Stevens <samsontippysasha@...>
Date: Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:21 pm
Subject: To you all

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I just want to say thank you to all of you who have been there for me and have helped me turn my life around.Not sure if it would have happened as quickly as it did without you all.Let all youre lifes be filled with Peace and Love,John i will keep in touch and keep reading the emails.There was a reason i found this group and its becoming clearer by the day.

#13238

From: "Jacqui Daane" <jayvare@...>
Date: Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:36 pm
Subject: Re: to John

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I am glad to hear all is going so well with you. I also wish the very best for your room mate, I hope her time is coming as well.

Do enjoy the festive season,

Go well and be proud of your achievements.

Jacqui.

#13237

From: Carl Beck <carl.beck@...>
Date: Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:36 pm
Subject: Re: to John

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYmF8AIqR4E&feature=fvw

On Dec 14, 2009, at 8:15 AM, John Stevens wrote:

One thing i have found out is most addicts are good people once you get to know them when there not using.Xmas season for me is a bit of a downer but i will get through it like i have in the past.I really like my alone time,think i would make a great hermit.

Hi John,

I don't know if you know Leonard Cohen, but he's one dude with expertise in

universal struggles. Here's a link to a youtube that I find myself listening to

from time to time:

Namaste

Carl

#13236

From: Carolee Smith <gooddoglowie@...>
Date: Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:31 pm
Subject: Re: to John

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peace and love back to you John. You never know. I just got a new neighbor and he is my age and great. We went and saw "Old Dogs" last night. Laughter is good for your soul. Go see it and laugh. You will feel better.

My prayers are with you and your roommate,

Carolee

From: John Stevens <samsontippysasha@...>
To: giftoflovingkindness@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 8:15:36 AM
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindness] to John

Hi Bonnie and Everyone Else in the Group,Still doing well except for a tooth abcess which is on the mend.It would be nice if my roomate moves soon but she is also sick like i was.I was hoping when she saw me doing good it might help her but she is still very young 28 and i remember at that age i thought i could handle anything.One thing i have found out is most addicts are good people once you get to know them when there not using.Xmas season for me is a bit of a downer but i will get through it like i have in the past.I really like my alone time,think i would make a great hermit.All for now,wishing you and everyone else a happy holiday season and may there be many more to come.Peace and Love,John

--- On Mon, 12/7/09, BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

From: BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@ sbcglobal. net>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] to John
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 9:17 PM

John;

I was thinking of you really strongly this morning and low and behold there was your e-mail! I felt like I had a load lifted from me knowing that you are o.k. and still on your program! I have been praying you. Hope your room-mate leaves as that is what needs to happen. Iam so glad for your daughter that you are still doing well. Wishing you a wonderful Christmas season. Iam so glad you contacted us! I wish you well. Please stay intouch as much as you feel you need to. I for one always will be happy to hear of your up-dates and successes!

In Loving Kindness

Bonnie, your friend

--- On Mon, 12/7/09, John Stevens <samsontippysasha@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: John Stevens <samsontippysasha@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 7:48 AM

thanks Bonnie,You said it all and i did feel i might have taken up to much time from the group as before i started posting about my addiction i mostly just read the emails in the group.All of you have helped more than you will ever know and for now i will read when i can.Im still doing good on 24mgs of suboxone just having problems with my roomate who is still using which gets to me,she is supposed to be gone the end of the month,time will tell.Hope All is Well with you and everyone else who supported me and i understand how some people who dont realise addiction is an illness would say unkind things,not there fault,just not edjucated in that regard.Peace and Love,John

--- On Fri, 12/4/09, BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

From: BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@ sbcglobal. net>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 1:13 PM

ZZ;

Iam going to stick my neck out here and call the kettle black which I seem to be doing lately. I think and this is just my opinion, that the last few posts that John sent were put down by at least one person and you know who you are. He was told in so many words that he had his time to tell us about his recovery and now we needed to move onto other topics and he could do his recovery without bothering the group about it. Iam paraphrasing here. John was very apologetic and sorry if he took too much of our attention and that was the last we heard of him. I could cry that he could think our group doesn't want to be bothered with his recovery! Hearing about his hard struggle to recover from a devastating addiction and being part if his support group meant alot to me and I know some others feel the same way. Showing John loving compassion IS what this group is about. Being in some way inconvienced by his struggles with his recovery IS NOT what this group is about.

In Loving Kindness

Bonnie

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, Z Z <connectnet2050@ yahoo.in> wrote:

From: Z Z <connectnet2050@ yahoo.in>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:32 PM

I am wonderng why John is posting his messages. Hope he is doing well and being with his family members.

Regards

zz

--- On Fri, 4/12/09, janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca> wrote:

From: janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 4 December, 2009, 3:50 AM

Hi Bonnie,

I have not seen any postings from John lately and I have been worried about him. I pray that he is okay and knows for better or worse support is here. It has been said that it is easy to love someone when they are doing well but more needed when they are not. I did not participate in any conversations with John because I was aware that he had a lot of really good, caring people supporting him already but, I was always there watching his wonderful progress.

I had a brother who had an addiction to narcotics and it was a long road for him. Now he is in Iraq, struggling to rebuild where necessary. He does not have to be there but chooses to be. He is a very brave and loving person who finally, after many tries, climbed that big mountain and in some way is still climbing to keep his head up. It is a battle that will last for the rest of his life. But he is a God loving person who finds peace in helping others.

We can only hope and pray that John finds his way back to this group.

My gift of loving kindness to you,

Sincerely, Jane.

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From: BONNIE HUBER

To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:42 PM

Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

Jane;

Thank you for your lovely reply. My daughter was a loving, caring person who was a talented, beautiful Soul. I was blessed to have her for my daughter. I say have compassion instead of blaming it on the devil or calling it evil. My daughter was anything but evil or influenced by the devil. You are right this group is about Loving Kindness, compassion, learning life's lessons and sharing without judgement. This brings me to John. Iam very concerned about him. Iam hoping he will give us an up-date on how he is doing. I for one care for his well-being very much and hopes he is still with us and not gone away.

In Loving Kindness

Bonnie

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca> wrote:

From: janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 3:25 PM

Hi Bonnie,

You know how painful it is with regard to mental illness because of your daughter. I have known many people with bi-polar and they have been the most sensitive and caring people I have known and you have been blessed. It shows in your writings, you are an amazing person. The more we allow ourselves to express what we truly believe, the more we are able to make a difference.

Mine was my own personal pain and I refuse to let anyone make me feel that it is a curse. It has been a blessing for me because I can reach outside of my own ego to understand and help others. It is offensive to refer to any illness being called "the devil", especially when reference to the devil is considered evil. Personally, I do not believe the devil exists at all; it is my belief that we have the ability to make choices and it through those choices we decide, goodness or evil. It is our choice, not the "devils".

Just a reminder to those who sometimes forget, this group is "gift of loving kindness" and it's purpose to to spread loving kindness, not to pass judgement. I don't often comment but I do read all that is available.

Jane.

PS - I too hope John is heard from soon. Not hearing from him causes me to worry about him as I am sure it does others.

----- Original Message -----

From: BONNIE HUBER

To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 4:23 PM

Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

Pandora;

I don't see it that way at all.To refer to any disease as coming from the devil is very archaic and out-dated, especially if it involves mental illness. There is such a stigma against mental disorders anyway why add to it by making these kinds of statements? Just my opinion.

Bonnie

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, pandora krifca <pandorateta@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: pandora krifca <pandorateta@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 1:08 PM

nobody knows for sure what goes on in somebody`s brain affected by Alzheimer. In my opinion there is no harm and it`s not offensive

to call it devil`s name just like any kind of disease be it mental or physical. some diseases are curable some are not and for those that cannot be cured such a description is appropriate besides Alzheimer is worse than all the disorders or ailments you have mentioned.

with Metta

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

From: BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@ sbcglobal. net>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:14 AM

After rereading Virgil's post I saw the Alzheimers remark and I do agree with you whole-heartedly! Really do not know why something like that was put in there! didn't pay attention to it the first time. Maybe Virgil can explain why such a seemingly cruel remark would be made. My daughter had bi-polar disorder so I know only too well the ramifications of mental illness and disorders and to refer it to the devil is hurtful.

Bonnie

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca> wrote:

From: janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 10:21 AM

I think it is a cruel suggestion that Alzheimer's is the devils name. Dementia and Alzheimer's is not privy to only the idle minded. Perhaps we should rethink comments like this. Epilepsy and Mental Illness was once thought to be the devils work.. That would include a huge percentage of the population.

----- Original Message -----

From: BONNIE HUBER

To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 2:23 AM

Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

Virgil;

I do agree with all of them!

In Loving Kindness

Bonnie

--- On Wed, 12/2/09, Virgil Antonio <virgil_antonio@ yahoo.com. sg> wrote:

From: Virgil Antonio <virgil_antonio@ yahoo.com. sg>
Subject: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: "Yeshe Lhundrup" <sssrigpaworld_ sunyakaruna@ yahoogroups. com>, "Atty. Roberto Dio" <rndio@cltpsj. com.ph>, "Yara Cristo" <yaracristo@yahoo. com.br>, christian-buddhist@ yahoogroups. com, giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 10:29 PM

A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

HOW TO STAY YOUNG

1. Throw out nonessential numbers. This includes age, weight and height.Let the doctors worry about them. That is why you pay 'them'

2. Keep only cheerful friends. The grouches pull you down.

3. Keep learning. Learn more about the computer, crafts, gardening,whatever. Never let the brain idle. 'An idle mind is the devil's workshop.'

And the devil's name is Alzheimer's.

4. Enjoy the simple things.

5. Laugh often, long and loud. Laugh until you gasp for breath.

6. The tears happen. Endure, grieve, and move on. The only person,who is with us our entire life, is ourselves. Be ALIVE while you are alive.

7. Surround yourself with what you love , whether it's family, pets, keepsakes, music, plants, hobbies, whatever. Your home is your refuge.

8. Cherish your health: If it is good, preserve it. If it is unstable, improve it. If it is beyond what you can improve, get help.

9. Don't take guilt trips. Take a trip to the mall, even to the next county; to a foreign country but NOT to where the guilt is.

10. Tell the people you love that you love them, at every opportunity.

AND ALWAYS REMEMBER:

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the momentsthat take our breath away.

Worry about nothing, pray about everything!! !

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#13235

From: John Stevens <samsontippysasha@...>
Date: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:15 pm
Subject: Re: to John

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--- On Mon, 12/7/09, BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@...> wrote:

From: BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@...>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindness] to John
To: giftoflovingkindness@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 9:17 PM

John;

I was thinking of you really strongly this morning and low and behold there was your e-mail! I felt like I had a load lifted from me knowing that you are o.k. and still on your program! I have been praying you. Hope your room-mate leaves as that is what needs to happen. Iam so glad for your daughter that you are still doing well. Wishing you a wonderful Christmas season. Iam so glad you contacted us! I wish you well. Please stay intouch as much as you feel you need to. I for one always will be happy to hear of your up-dates and successes!

In Loving Kindness

Bonnie, your friend

--- On Mon, 12/7/09, John Stevens <samsontippysasha@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: John Stevens <samsontippysasha@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 7:48 AM

thanks Bonnie,You said it all and i did feel i might have taken up to much time from the group as before i started posting about my addiction i mostly just read the emails in the group.All of you have helped more than you will ever know and for now i will read when i can.Im still doing good on 24mgs of suboxone just having problems with my roomate who is still using which gets to me,she is supposed to be gone the end of the month,time will tell.Hope All is Well with you and everyone else who supported me and i understand how some people who dont realise addiction is an illness would say unkind things,not there fault,just not edjucated in that regard.Peace and Love,John

--- On Fri, 12/4/09, BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

From: BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@ sbcglobal. net>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 1:13 PM

ZZ;

Iam going to stick my neck out here and call the kettle black which I seem to be doing lately. I think and this is just my opinion, that the last few posts that John sent were put down by at least one person and you know who you are. He was told in so many words that he had his time to tell us about his recovery and now we needed to move onto other topics and he could do his recovery without bothering the group about it. Iam paraphrasing here. John was very apologetic and sorry if he took too much of our attention and that was the last we heard of him. I could cry that he could think our group doesn't want to be bothered with his recovery! Hearing about his hard struggle to recover from a devastating addiction and being part if his support group meant alot to me and I know some others feel the same way. Showing John loving compassion IS what this group is about. Being in some way inconvienced by his struggles with his recovery IS NOT what this group is about.

In Loving Kindness

Bonnie

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, Z Z <connectnet2050@ yahoo.in> wrote:

From: Z Z <connectnet2050@ yahoo.in>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:32 PM

I am wonderng why John is posting his messages. Hope he is doing well and being with his family members.

Regards

zz

--- On Fri, 4/12/09, janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca> wrote:

From: janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 4 December, 2009, 3:50 AM

Hi Bonnie,

I have not seen any postings from John lately and I have been worried about him. I pray that he is okay and knows for better or worse support is here. It has been said that it is easy to love someone when they are doing well but more needed when they are not. I did not participate in any conversations with John because I was aware that he had a lot of really good, caring people supporting him already but, I was always there watching his wonderful progress.

I had a brother who had an addiction to narcotics and it was a long road for him. Now he is in Iraq, struggling to rebuild where necessary. He does not have to be there but chooses to be. He is a very brave and loving person who finally, after many tries, climbed that big mountain and in some way is still climbing to keep his head up. It is a battle that will last for the rest of his life. But he is a God loving person who finds peace in helping others.

We can only hope and pray that John finds his way back to this group.

My gift of loving kindness to you,

Sincerely, Jane.

----- Original Message -----

From: BONNIE HUBER

To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:42 PM

Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

Jane;

Thank you for your lovely reply. My daughter was a loving, caring person who was a talented, beautiful Soul. I was blessed to have her for my daughter. I say have compassion instead of blaming it on the devil or calling it evil. My daughter was anything but evil or influenced by the devil. You are right this group is about Loving Kindness, compassion, learning life's lessons and sharing without judgement. This brings me to John. Iam very concerned about him. Iam hoping he will give us an up-date on how he is doing. I for one care for his well-being very much and hopes he is still with us and not gone away.

In Loving Kindness

Bonnie

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca> wrote:

From: janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 3:25 PM

Hi Bonnie,

You know how painful it is with regard to mental illness because of your daughter. I have known many people with bi-polar and they have been the most sensitive and caring people I have known and you have been blessed. It shows in your writings, you are an amazing person. The more we allow ourselves to express what we truly believe, the more we are able to make a difference.

Mine was my own personal pain and I refuse to let anyone make me feel that it is a curse. It has been a blessing for me because I can reach outside of my own ego to understand and help others. It is offensive to refer to any illness being called "the devil", especially when reference to the devil is considered evil. Personally, I do not believe the devil exists at all; it is my belief that we have the ability to make choices and it through those choices we decide, goodness or evil. It is our choice, not the "devils".

Just a reminder to those who sometimes forget, this group is "gift of loving kindness" and it's purpose to to spread loving kindness, not to pass judgement. I don't often comment but I do read all that is available.

Jane.

PS - I too hope John is heard from soon. Not hearing from him causes me to worry about him as I am sure it does others.

----- Original Message -----

From: BONNIE HUBER

To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 4:23 PM

Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

Pandora;

I don't see it that way at all.To refer to any disease as coming from the devil is very archaic and out-dated, especially if it involves mental illness. There is such a stigma against mental disorders anyway why add to it by making these kinds of statements? Just my opinion.

Bonnie

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, pandora krifca <pandorateta@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: pandora krifca <pandorateta@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 1:08 PM

nobody knows for sure what goes on in somebody`s brain affected by Alzheimer. In my opinion there is no harm and it`s not offensive

to call it devil`s name just like any kind of disease be it mental or physical. some diseases are curable some are not and for those that cannot be cured such a description is appropriate besides Alzheimer is worse than all the disorders or ailments you have mentioned.

with Metta

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

From: BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@ sbcglobal. net>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:14 AM

After rereading Virgil's post I saw the Alzheimers remark and I do agree with you whole-heartedly! Really do not know why something like that was put in there! didn't pay attention to it the first time. Maybe Virgil can explain why such a seemingly cruel remark would be made. My daughter had bi-polar disorder so I know only too well the ramifications of mental illness and disorders and to refer it to the devil is hurtful.

Bonnie

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca> wrote:

From: janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 10:21 AM

I think it is a cruel suggestion that Alzheimer's is the devils name. Dementia and Alzheimer's is not privy to only the idle minded. Perhaps we should rethink comments like this. Epilepsy and Mental Illness was once thought to be the devils work.. That would include a huge percentage of the population.

----- Original Message -----

From: BONNIE HUBER

To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 2:23 AM

Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

Virgil;

I do agree with all of them!

In Loving Kindness

Bonnie

--- On Wed, 12/2/09, Virgil Antonio <virgil_antonio@ yahoo.com. sg> wrote:

From: Virgil Antonio <virgil_antonio@ yahoo.com. sg>
Subject: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: "Yeshe Lhundrup" <sssrigpaworld_ sunyakaruna@ yahoogroups. com>, "Atty. Roberto Dio" <rndio@cltpsj. com.ph>, "Yara Cristo" <yaracristo@yahoo. com.br>, christian-buddhist@ yahoogroups. com, giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 10:29 PM

A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

HOW TO STAY YOUNG

1. Throw out nonessential numbers. This includes age, weight and height.Let the doctors worry about them. That is why you pay 'them'

2. Keep only cheerful friends. The grouches pull you down.

3. Keep learning. Learn more about the computer, crafts, gardening,whatever. Never let the brain idle. 'An idle mind is the devil's workshop.'

And the devil's name is Alzheimer's.

4. Enjoy the simple things.

5. Laugh often, long and loud. Laugh until you gasp for breath.

6. The tears happen. Endure, grieve, and move on. The only person,who is with us our entire life, is ourselves. Be ALIVE while you are alive.

7. Surround yourself with what you love , whether it's family, pets, keepsakes, music, plants, hobbies, whatever. Your home is your refuge.

8. Cherish your health: If it is good, preserve it. If it is unstable, improve it. If it is beyond what you can improve, get help.

9. Don't take guilt trips. Take a trip to the mall, even to the next county; to a foreign country but NOT to where the guilt is.

10. Tell the people you love that you love them, at every opportunity.

AND ALWAYS REMEMBER:

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the momentsthat take our breath away.

Worry about nothing, pray about everything!! !

New Email names for you!
Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail.
Hurry before someone else does!

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage.

#13234

From: Isabelle Efstathiou <efstathiouisabelle@...>
Date: Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:15 am
Subject: RE: Sharing some quotes with you all....Have A Blessed Week.....(( isabelle))

efstathiouis...

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"This is the beginning of a new day. You have been given this day to use as you
will. You can waste it or use it for good. What you do today is important
because you are exchanging a day of your life for it. When tomorrow comes, this
day will be gone forever; in its place is something that you have left
behind...let it be something good."

Author Unknown




And forget not that the earth delights to feel your bare feet and the winds long
to play with your hair.”

Kahlil Gibran




Love the earth and sun and animals,
Despise riches, give alms to everyone that asks,
Stand up for the stupid and crazy,
Devote your income and labor to others...
And your very flesh shall be a great poem.

Walt Whitman
American Poet




Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you're alive, it isn't.

Richard Bach




"There is no such thing in anyone's life
as an unimportant day."

Alexander Woollcott




"People travel to wonder at the height of the mountains, at the huge waves of
the seas, at the long course of the rivers, at the vast compass of the
ocean, at the circular motion of the stars, and yet they pass by
themselves without wondering."

St. Augustine, 354 430
Early Christian Priest, Author




"I would rather be ashes than dust! I would rather that my spark should burn out
in a brilliant blaze than it should be stifled by dry rot. I would rather be a
superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent
planet. The proper function of man is to live, not to exist. I shall not waste
my days in trying to prolong them. I shall use my time."

Jack London
American Author




Meditate.
Live purely. Be quiet.
Do your work with mastery.
Like the moon, come out
from behind the clouds!
Shine

Buddha
"The Enlightened One:




"I will not die an unlived life. I will not live in fear of falling or
catching fire. I choose to inhabit my days, to allow my living to open me, to
make me less afraid, more accessible, to loosen my heart until it becomes a
wing, a torch, a promise. I choose to risk my significance; to live so that
which comes to me as seed goes to the next as blossom and that which comes to me
as blossom, goes on as fruit."

Dawna Markova




When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced.
Live your life so that when you die,
the world cries and you rejoice.

Cherokee Expression




Every blade of grass has its angel that bends over it
and whispers, 'Grow, grow.'

The Talmud




"The day will come when, after harnessing space, the winds, the tides and
gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And on that day, for
the second time in the history of the world, we shall have discovered fire."

Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
French Paleontologist and Philosopher




"You must be the change you wish to see in the world."

Mahatma Gandhi
Indian Political and Spiritual Leader




"Be glad of  life, because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to
play and to look up at the stars."

Henry Van Dyke
American Educator
Books  Quotes


"If you cannot be a poet, be the poem."

David Carradine
  Actor, Director




"To live content with small means; to seek elegance rather than luxury; and
refinement rather than fashion; to be worthy, not respectable; and wealthy, not
rich; to study hard, think quietly, talk gently, act frankly; to listen to stars
and birds, to babes and sages, with open heart; to bear all cheerfully, do all
bravely, await occasion, hurry never; in a word, to let the spiritual, unbidden
and unconscious grow up through the common. This is to be my symphony."

William Ellery Channing
Books  Quotes


"Don't ask yourself what the world needs; ask yourself what makes you come
alive. And then go and do that. Because what the world needs is people who have
come alive."

Howard Thurman
Print-A-Card


"Normal day, let me be aware of the treasure you are.  Let me learn from you,
love you, bless you before you depart.  Let me not pass you by in quest of some
rare and perfect tomorrow.  Let me hold you while I may, for it may not always
be so. One day I shall dig my nails into the earth, or bury my face in the
pillow, or stretch myself taut, or raise my hands to the sky and want, more than
all the world, your return."

Mary Jean Iron


O, with what freshness,
what solemnity and beauty,
is each new day born;
as if to say to insensate man,
'Behold!
  thou hast one more chance!
Strive for immortal glory!'

Harriet Beecher Stowe




Life is an opportunity, benefit from it.
Life is beauty, admire it.
Life is bliss, taste it.
Life is a dream, realize it.
Life is a challenge, meet it.
Life is a duty, complete it.
Life is a game, play it.
Life is a promise, fulfill it.
Life is sorrow, overcome it.
Life is a song, sing it.
Life is a struggle, accept it.
Life is a tragedy, confront it.
Life is an adventure, dare it.
Life is luck, make it.
Life is too precious, do not destroy it.
Life is life, fight for it.


Mother Teresa
Catholic Nun, Missionary

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#13233

From: kiran dasaur <kirandasaur@...>
Date: Tue Dec 8, 2009 10:17 am
Subject: (No subject)

kirandasaur

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!!!! The most SELFISH 1 letter -" I "............Avoid it...
Most SATISFACTORY 2 letters- " WE".......Use it.
Most Poisonous 3 letters " EGO".................Kill it.
Most used 4 letters "LOVE"..........................Value it.
Most PLEASING 5 letters "SMILE" ..............Keep it..
Fastest SPREADING 6 letter " RUMOUR". Ignore it.
HARDWORKING 7 letters "SUCCESS"......Achieve It.
Most E...NVIBLE 8 letters "JEALOUSY".......Distance It.
Most ESSENTIAL 9 letters "PRINCIPLE".....Have it.
Most DIVINE 10 letters "FRIENDSHIP"....... Maintain it.

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#13232

From: "Jacqui Daane" <jayvare@...>
Date: Tue Dec 8, 2009 9:28 am
Subject: Re: A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

jvr20nl

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John, I was so glad to see you are back again and doing fine by the looks of things.

Can't you get the roommate to leave?. I don't think this is a situation that is good for you at the moment.

Yes it's December month and the festive season is here again. We don't make a big thing of it, as it is only the two of us and I have never been comfortable with big meals and abundance while half the world is starving.

But what ever you do, have a lovely time and please, write whenever you feel like it.
Go well and remember, one step at a time.

Jacqui.

#13231

From: Charlie Malakar <charliemalakar@...>
Date: Tue Dec 8, 2009 4:06 am
Subject: Re: to John

monicahazra

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John,

So good to hear from you. You continue to remain in my thoughts and prayers. You are succeeding and will continue to do so.

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 9:17 PM, BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@...> wrote:

John;

I was thinking of you really strongly this morning and low and behold there was your e-mail! I felt like I had a load lifted from me knowing that you are o.k. and still on your program! I have been praying you. Hope your room-mate leaves as that is what needs to happen. Iam so glad for your daughter that you are still doing well. Wishing you a wonderful Christmas season. Iam so glad you contacted us! I wish you well. Please stay intouch as much as you feel you need to. I for one always will be happy to hear of your up-dates and successes!

In Loving Kindness

Bonnie, your friend

--- On Mon, 12/7/09, John Stevens <samsontippysasha@...> wrote:

From: John Stevens <samsontippysasha@...>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindness] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindness@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 7:48 AM

thanks Bonnie,You said it all and i did feel i might have taken up to much time from the group as before i started posting about my addiction i mostly just read the emails in the group.All of you have helped more than you will ever know and for now i will read when i can.Im still doing good on 24mgs of suboxone just having problems with my roomate who is still using which gets to me,she is supposed to be gone the end of the month,time will tell.Hope All is Well with you and everyone else who supported me and i understand how some people who dont realise addiction is an illness would say unkind things,not there fault,just not edjucated in that regard.Peace and Love,John

--- On Fri, 12/4/09, BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

From: BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@ sbcglobal. net>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 1:13 PM

ZZ;

Iam going to stick my neck out here and call the kettle black which I seem to be doing lately. I think and this is just my opinion, that the last few posts that John sent were put down by at least one person and you know who you are. He was told in so many words that he had his time to tell us about his recovery and now we needed to move onto other topics and he could do his recovery without bothering the group about it. Iam paraphrasing here. John was very apologetic and sorry if he took too much of our attention and that was the last we heard of him. I could cry that he could think our group doesn't want to be bothered with his recovery! Hearing about his hard struggle to recover from a devastating addiction and being part if his support group meant alot to me and I know some others feel the same way. Showing John loving compassion IS what this group is about. Being in some way inconvienced by his struggles with his recovery IS NOT what this group is about.

In Loving Kindness

Bonnie

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, Z Z <connectnet2050@ yahoo.in> wrote:

From: Z Z <connectnet2050@ yahoo.in>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:32 PM

I am wonderng why John is posting his messages. Hope he is doing well and being with his family members.

Regards

zz

--- On Fri, 4/12/09, janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca> wrote:

From: janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 4 December, 2009, 3:50 AM

Hi Bonnie,

I have not seen any postings from John lately and I have been worried about him. I pray that he is okay and knows for better or worse support is here. It has been said that it is easy to love someone when they are doing well but more needed when they are not. I did not participate in any conversations with John because I was aware that he had a lot of really good, caring people supporting him already but, I was always there watching his wonderful progress.

I had a brother who had an addiction to narcotics and it was a long road for him. Now he is in Iraq, struggling to rebuild where necessary. He does not have to be there but chooses to be. He is a very brave and loving person who finally, after many tries, climbed that big mountain and in some way is still climbing to keep his head up. It is a battle that will last for the rest of his life. But he is a God loving person who finds peace in helping others.

We can only hope and pray that John finds his way back to this group.

My gift of loving kindness to you,

Sincerely, Jane.

----- Original Message -----

From: BONNIE HUBER

To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:42 PM

Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

Jane;

Thank you for your lovely reply. My daughter was a loving, caring person who was a talented, beautiful Soul. I was blessed to have her for my daughter. I say have compassion instead of blaming it on the devil or calling it evil. My daughter was anything but evil or influenced by the devil. You are right this group is about Loving Kindness, compassion, learning life's lessons and sharing without judgement. This brings me to John. Iam very concerned about him. Iam hoping he will give us an up-date on how he is doing. I for one care for his well-being very much and hopes he is still with us and not gone away.

In Loving Kindness

Bonnie

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca> wrote:

From: janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 3:25 PM

Hi Bonnie,

You know how painful it is with regard to mental illness because of your daughter. I have known many people with bi-polar and they have been the most sensitive and caring people I have known and you have been blessed. It shows in your writings, you are an amazing person. The more we allow ourselves to express what we truly believe, the more we are able to make a difference.

Mine was my own personal pain and I refuse to let anyone make me feel that it is a curse. It has been a blessing for me because I can reach outside of my own ego to understand and help others. It is offensive to refer to any illness being called "the devil", especially when reference to the devil is considered evil. Personally, I do not believe the devil exists at all; it is my belief that we have the ability to make choices and it through those choices we decide, goodness or evil. It is our choice, not the "devils".

Just a reminder to those who sometimes forget, this group is "gift of loving kindness" and it's purpose to to spread loving kindness, not to pass judgement. I don't often comment but I do read all that is available.

Jane.

PS - I too hope John is heard from soon. Not hearing from him causes me to worry about him as I am sure it does others.

----- Original Message -----

From: BONNIE HUBER

To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 4:23 PM

Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

Pandora;

I don't see it that way at all.To refer to any disease as coming from the devil is very archaic and out-dated, especially if it involves mental illness. There is such a stigma against mental disorders anyway why add to it by making these kinds of statements? Just my opinion.

Bonnie

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, pandora krifca <pandorateta@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: pandora krifca <pandorateta@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 1:08 PM

nobody knows for sure what goes on in somebody`s brain affected by Alzheimer. In my opinion there is no harm and it`s not offensive

to call it devil`s name just like any kind of disease be it mental or physical. some diseases are curable some are not and for those that cannot be cured such a description is appropriate besides Alzheimer is worse than all the disorders or ailments you have mentioned.

with Metta

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

From: BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@ sbcglobal. net>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:14 AM

After rereading Virgil's post I saw the Alzheimers remark and I do agree with you whole-heartedly! Really do not know why something like that was put in there! didn't pay attention to it the first time. Maybe Virgil can explain why such a seemingly cruel remark would be made. My daughter had bi-polar disorder so I know only too well the ramifications of mental illness and disorders and to refer it to the devil is hurtful.

Bonnie

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca> wrote:

From: janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 10:21 AM

I think it is a cruel suggestion that Alzheimer's is the devils name. Dementia and Alzheimer's is not privy to only the idle minded. Perhaps we should rethink comments like this. Epilepsy and Mental Illness was once thought to be the devils work.. That would include a huge percentage of the population.

----- Original Message -----

From: BONNIE HUBER

To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 2:23 AM

Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

Virgil;

I do agree with all of them!

In Loving Kindness

Bonnie

--- On Wed, 12/2/09, Virgil Antonio <virgil_antonio@ yahoo.com. sg> wrote:

From: Virgil Antonio <virgil_antonio@ yahoo.com. sg>
Subject: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: "Yeshe Lhundrup" <sssrigpaworld_ sunyakaruna@ yahoogroups. com>, "Atty. Roberto Dio" <rndio@cltpsj. com.ph>, "Yara Cristo" <yaracristo@yahoo. com.br>, christian-buddhist@ yahoogroups. com, giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 10:29 PM

A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

HOW TO STAY YOUNG

1. Throw out nonessential numbers. This includes age, weight and height.Let the doctors worry about them. That is why you pay 'them'

2. Keep only cheerful friends. The grouches pull you down.

3. Keep learning. Learn more about the computer, crafts, gardening,whatever. Never let the brain idle. 'An idle mind is the devil's workshop.'

And the devil's name is Alzheimer's.

4. Enjoy the simple things.

5. Laugh often, long and loud. Laugh until you gasp for breath.

6. The tears happen. Endure, grieve, and move on. The only person,who is with us our entire life, is ourselves. Be ALIVE while you are alive.

7. Surround yourself with what you love , whether it's family, pets, keepsakes, music, plants, hobbies, whatever. Your home is your refuge.

8. Cherish your health: If it is good, preserve it. If it is unstable, improve it. If it is beyond what you can improve, get help.

9. Don't take guilt trips. Take a trip to the mall, even to the next county; to a foreign country but NOT to where the guilt is.

10. Tell the people you love that you love them, at every opportunity.

AND ALWAYS REMEMBER:

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the momentsthat take our breath away.

Worry about nothing, pray about everything!! !

New Email names for you!
Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail.
Hurry before someone else does!

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#13230

From: BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@...>
Date: Tue Dec 8, 2009 2:17 am
Subject: Re: to John

lovinthemts

Offline

John;

I was thinking of you really strongly this morning and low and behold there was your e-mail! I felt like I had a load lifted from me knowing that you are o.k. and still on your program! I have been praying you. Hope your room-mate leaves as that is what needs to happen. Iam so glad for your daughter that you are still doing well. Wishing you a wonderful Christmas season. Iam so glad you contacted us! I wish you well. Please stay intouch as much as you feel you need to. I for one always will be happy to hear of your up-dates and successes!

In Loving Kindness

Bonnie, your friend

--- On Mon, 12/7/09, John Stevens <samsontippysasha@...> wrote:

From: John Stevens <samsontippysasha@...>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindness] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindness@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 7:48 AM

thanks Bonnie,You said it all and i did feel i might have taken up to much time from the group as before i started posting about my addiction i mostly just read the emails in the group.All of you have helped more than you will ever know and for now i will read when i can.Im still doing good on 24mgs of suboxone just having problems with my roomate who is still using which gets to me,she is supposed to be gone the end of the month,time will tell.Hope All is Well with you and everyone else who supported me and i understand how some people who dont realise addiction is an illness would say unkind things,not there fault,just not edjucated in that regard.Peace and Love,John

--- On Fri, 12/4/09, BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

From: BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@ sbcglobal. net>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 1:13 PM

ZZ;

Iam going to stick my neck out here and call the kettle black which I seem to be doing lately. I think and this is just my opinion, that the last few posts that John sent were put down by at least one person and you know who you are. He was told in so many words that he had his time to tell us about his recovery and now we needed to move onto other topics and he could do his recovery without bothering the group about it. Iam paraphrasing here. John was very apologetic and sorry if he took too much of our attention and that was the last we heard of him. I could cry that he could think our group doesn't want to be bothered with his recovery! Hearing about his hard struggle to recover from a devastating addiction and being part if his support group meant alot to me and I know some others feel the same way. Showing John loving compassion IS what this group is about. Being in some way inconvienced by his struggles with his recovery IS NOT what this group is about.

In Loving Kindness

Bonnie

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, Z Z <connectnet2050@ yahoo.in> wrote:

From: Z Z <connectnet2050@ yahoo.in>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:32 PM

I am wonderng why John is posting his messages. Hope he is doing well and being with his family members.

Regards

zz

--- On Fri, 4/12/09, janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca> wrote:

From: janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 4 December, 2009, 3:50 AM

Hi Bonnie,

I have not seen any postings from John lately and I have been worried about him. I pray that he is okay and knows for better or worse support is here. It has been said that it is easy to love someone when they are doing well but more needed when they are not. I did not participate in any conversations with John because I was aware that he had a lot of really good, caring people supporting him already but, I was always there watching his wonderful progress.

I had a brother who had an addiction to narcotics and it was a long road for him. Now he is in Iraq, struggling to rebuild where necessary. He does not have to be there but chooses to be. He is a very brave and loving person who finally, after many tries, climbed that big mountain and in some way is still climbing to keep his head up. It is a battle that will last for the rest of his life. But he is a God loving person who finds peace in helping others.

We can only hope and pray that John finds his way back to this group.

My gift of loving kindness to you,

Sincerely, Jane.

----- Original Message -----

From: BONNIE HUBER

To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:42 PM

Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

Jane;

Thank you for your lovely reply. My daughter was a loving, caring person who was a talented, beautiful Soul. I was blessed to have her for my daughter. I say have compassion instead of blaming it on the devil or calling it evil. My daughter was anything but evil or influenced by the devil. You are right this group is about Loving Kindness, compassion, learning life's lessons and sharing without judgement. This brings me to John. Iam very concerned about him. Iam hoping he will give us an up-date on how he is doing. I for one care for his well-being very much and hopes he is still with us and not gone away.

In Loving Kindness

Bonnie

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca> wrote:

From: janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 3:25 PM

Hi Bonnie,

You know how painful it is with regard to mental illness because of your daughter. I have known many people with bi-polar and they have been the most sensitive and caring people I have known and you have been blessed. It shows in your writings, you are an amazing person. The more we allow ourselves to express what we truly believe, the more we are able to make a difference.

Mine was my own personal pain and I refuse to let anyone make me feel that it is a curse. It has been a blessing for me because I can reach outside of my own ego to understand and help others. It is offensive to refer to any illness being called "the devil", especially when reference to the devil is considered evil. Personally, I do not believe the devil exists at all; it is my belief that we have the ability to make choices and it through those choices we decide, goodness or evil. It is our choice, not the "devils".

Just a reminder to those who sometimes forget, this group is "gift of loving kindness" and it's purpose to to spread loving kindness, not to pass judgement. I don't often comment but I do read all that is available.

Jane.

PS - I too hope John is heard from soon. Not hearing from him causes me to worry about him as I am sure it does others.

----- Original Message -----

From: BONNIE HUBER

To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 4:23 PM

Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

Pandora;

I don't see it that way at all.To refer to any disease as coming from the devil is very archaic and out-dated, especially if it involves mental illness. There is such a stigma against mental disorders anyway why add to it by making these kinds of statements? Just my opinion.

Bonnie

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, pandora krifca <pandorateta@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: pandora krifca <pandorateta@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 1:08 PM

nobody knows for sure what goes on in somebody`s brain affected by Alzheimer. In my opinion there is no harm and it`s not offensive

to call it devil`s name just like any kind of disease be it mental or physical. some diseases are curable some are not and for those that cannot be cured such a description is appropriate besides Alzheimer is worse than all the disorders or ailments you have mentioned.

with Metta

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

From: BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@ sbcglobal. net>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:14 AM

After rereading Virgil's post I saw the Alzheimers remark and I do agree with you whole-heartedly! Really do not know why something like that was put in there! didn't pay attention to it the first time. Maybe Virgil can explain why such a seemingly cruel remark would be made. My daughter had bi-polar disorder so I know only too well the ramifications of mental illness and disorders and to refer it to the devil is hurtful.

Bonnie

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca> wrote:

From: janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 10:21 AM

I think it is a cruel suggestion that Alzheimer's is the devils name. Dementia and Alzheimer's is not privy to only the idle minded. Perhaps we should rethink comments like this. Epilepsy and Mental Illness was once thought to be the devils work.. That would include a huge percentage of the population.

----- Original Message -----

From: BONNIE HUBER

To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 2:23 AM

Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

Virgil;

I do agree with all of them!

In Loving Kindness

Bonnie

--- On Wed, 12/2/09, Virgil Antonio <virgil_antonio@ yahoo.com. sg> wrote:

From: Virgil Antonio <virgil_antonio@ yahoo.com. sg>
Subject: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: "Yeshe Lhundrup" <sssrigpaworld_ sunyakaruna@ yahoogroups. com>, "Atty. Roberto Dio" <rndio@cltpsj. com.ph>, "Yara Cristo" <yaracristo@yahoo. com.br>, christian-buddhist@ yahoogroups. com, giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 10:29 PM

A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

HOW TO STAY YOUNG

1. Throw out nonessential numbers. This includes age, weight and height.Let the doctors worry about them. That is why you pay 'them'

2. Keep only cheerful friends. The grouches pull you down.

3. Keep learning. Learn more about the computer, crafts, gardening,whatever. Never let the brain idle. 'An idle mind is the devil's workshop.'

And the devil's name is Alzheimer's.

4. Enjoy the simple things.

5. Laugh often, long and loud. Laugh until you gasp for breath.

6. The tears happen. Endure, grieve, and move on. The only person,who is with us our entire life, is ourselves. Be ALIVE while you are alive.

7. Surround yourself with what you love , whether it's family, pets, keepsakes, music, plants, hobbies, whatever. Your home is your refuge.

8. Cherish your health: If it is good, preserve it. If it is unstable, improve it. If it is beyond what you can improve, get help.

9. Don't take guilt trips. Take a trip to the mall, even to the next county; to a foreign country but NOT to where the guilt is.

10. Tell the people you love that you love them, at every opportunity.

AND ALWAYS REMEMBER:

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the momentsthat take our breath away.

Worry about nothing, pray about everything!! !

New Email names for you!
Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail.
Hurry before someone else does!

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage.

#13229

From: Seipati Sebati <seipatisebati@...>
Date: Mon Dec 7, 2009 11:58 pm
Subject: Re: A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

seipatisebat...

Offline

hi John,

Its realy wonderful to hear from you,and for the fact that You are well.

I would like to take this opportunity to apologies to you for hurting You so much.

Iknow that you are a fighter and for the fact that You love your girl so much to let her down.

please dont let my words be a stumbling block to your journey to recovery.

everything happens for a reason.In this case I dont know why/ what is that reason!

I thank God that you are back! Once more I apologise to you ,Your family, and the members of the Group!

Peace and Love,

Joy.

From: BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@...>
To: giftoflovingkindness@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, December 4, 2009 8:13:09 PM
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindness] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

ZZ;

Iam going to stick my neck out here and call the kettle black which I seem to be doing lately. I think and this is just my opinion, that the last few posts that John sent were put down by at least one person and you know who you are. He was told in so many words that he had his time to tell us about his recovery and now we needed to move onto other topics and he could do his recovery without bothering the group about it. Iam paraphrasing here. John was very apologetic and sorry if he took too much of our attention and that was the last we heard of him. I could cry that he could think our group doesn't want to be bothered with his recovery! Hearing about his hard struggle to recover from a devastating addiction and being part if his support group meant alot to me and I know some others feel the same way. Showing John loving compassion IS what this group is about. Being in some way inconvienced by his struggles with his recovery IS NOT what this group is about.

In Loving Kindness

Bonnie

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, Z Z <connectnet2050@ yahoo.in> wrote:

From: Z Z <connectnet2050@ yahoo.in>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:32 PM

I am wonderng why John is posting his messages. Hope he is doing well and being with his family members.

Regards

zz

--- On Fri, 4/12/09, janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca> wrote:

From: janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 4 December, 2009, 3:50 AM

Hi Bonnie,

I have not seen any postings from John lately and I have been worried about him. I pray that he is okay and knows for better or worse support is here. It has been said that it is easy to love someone when they are doing well but more needed when they are not. I did not participate in any conversations with John because I was aware that he had a lot of really good, caring people supporting him already but, I was always there watching his wonderful progress.

I had a brother who had an addiction to narcotics and it was a long road for him. Now he is in Iraq, struggling to rebuild where necessary. He does not have to be there but chooses to be. He is a very brave and loving person who finally, after many tries, climbed that big mountain and in some way is still climbing to keep his head up. It is a battle that will last for the rest of his life. But he is a God loving person who finds peace in helping others.

We can only hope and pray that John finds his way back to this group.

My gift of loving kindness to you,

Sincerely, Jane.

----- Original Message -----

From: BONNIE HUBER

To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:42 PM

Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

Jane;

Thank you for your lovely reply. My daughter was a loving, caring person who was a talented, beautiful Soul. I was blessed to have her for my daughter. I say have compassion instead of blaming it on the devil or calling it evil. My daughter was anything but evil or influenced by the devil. You are right this group is about Loving Kindness, compassion, learning life's lessons and sharing without judgement. This brings me to John. Iam very concerned about him. Iam hoping he will give us an up-date on how he is doing. I for one care for his well-being very much and hopes he is still with us and not gone away.

In Loving Kindness

Bonnie

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca> wrote:

From: janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 3:25 PM

Hi Bonnie,

You know how painful it is with regard to mental illness because of your daughter. I have known many people with bi-polar and they have been the most sensitive and caring people I have known and you have been blessed. It shows in your writings, you are an amazing person. The more we allow ourselves to express what we truly believe, the more we are able to make a difference.

Mine was my own personal pain and I refuse to let anyone make me feel that it is a curse. It has been a blessing for me because I can reach outside of my own ego to understand and help others. It is offensive to refer to any illness being called "the devil", especially when reference to the devil is considered evil. Personally, I do not believe the devil exists at all; it is my belief that we have the ability to make choices and it through those choices we decide, goodness or evil. It is our choice, not the "devils".

Just a reminder to those who sometimes forget, this group is "gift of loving kindness" and it's purpose to to spread loving kindness, not to pass judgement. I don't often comment but I do read all that is available.

Jane.

PS - I too hope John is heard from soon. Not hearing from him causes me to worry about him as I am sure it does others.

----- Original Message -----

From: BONNIE HUBER

To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 4:23 PM

Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

Pandora;

I don't see it that way at all.To refer to any disease as coming from the devil is very archaic and out-dated, especially if it involves mental illness. There is such a stigma against mental disorders anyway why add to it by making these kinds of statements? Just my opinion.

Bonnie

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, pandora krifca <pandorateta@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: pandora krifca <pandorateta@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 1:08 PM

nobody knows for sure what goes on in somebody`s brain affected by Alzheimer. In my opinion there is no harm and it`s not offensive

to call it devil`s name just like any kind of disease be it mental or physical. some diseases are curable some are not and for those that cannot be cured such a description is appropriate besides Alzheimer is worse than all the disorders or ailments you have mentioned.

with Metta

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

From: BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@ sbcglobal. net>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:14 AM

After rereading Virgil's post I saw the Alzheimers remark and I do agree with you whole-heartedly! Really do not know why something like that was put in there! didn't pay attention to it the first time. Maybe Virgil can explain why such a seemingly cruel remark would be made. My daughter had bi-polar disorder so I know only too well the ramifications of mental illness and disorders and to refer it to the devil is hurtful.

Bonnie

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca> wrote:

From: janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 10:21 AM

I think it is a cruel suggestion that Alzheimer's is the devils name. Dementia and Alzheimer's is not privy to only the idle minded. Perhaps we should rethink comments like this. Epilepsy and Mental Illness was once thought to be the devils work.. That would include a huge percentage of the population.

----- Original Message -----

From: BONNIE HUBER

To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 2:23 AM

Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

Virgil;

I do agree with all of them!

In Loving Kindness

Bonnie

--- On Wed, 12/2/09, Virgil Antonio <virgil_antonio@ yahoo.com. sg> wrote:

From: Virgil Antonio <virgil_antonio@ yahoo.com. sg>
Subject: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: "Yeshe Lhundrup" <sssrigpaworld_ sunyakaruna@ yahoogroups. com>, "Atty. Roberto Dio" <rndio@cltpsj. com.ph>, "Yara Cristo" <yaracristo@yahoo. com.br>, christian-buddhist@ yahoogroups. com, giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 10:29 PM

A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

HOW TO STAY YOUNG

1. Throw out nonessential numbers. This includes age, weight and height.Let the doctors worry about them. That is why you pay 'them'

2. Keep only cheerful friends. The grouches pull you down.

3. Keep learning. Learn more about the computer, crafts, gardening,whatever. Never let the brain idle. 'An idle mind is the devil's workshop.'

And the devil's name is Alzheimer's.

4. Enjoy the simple things.

5. Laugh often, long and loud. Laugh until you gasp for breath.

6. The tears happen. Endure, grieve, and move on. The only person,who is with us our entire life, is ourselves. Be ALIVE while you are alive.

7. Surround yourself with what you love , whether it's family, pets, keepsakes, music, plants, hobbies, whatever. Your home is your refuge.

8. Cherish your health: If it is good, preserve it. If it is unstable, improve it. If it is beyond what you can improve, get help.

9. Don't take guilt trips. Take a trip to the mall, even to the next county; to a foreign country but NOT to where the guilt is.

10. Tell the people you love that you love them, at every opportunity.

AND ALWAYS REMEMBER:

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the momentsthat take our breath away.

Worry about nothing, pray about everything!! !

New Email names for you!
Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail.
Hurry before someone else does!

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage.

#13228

From: John Stevens <samsontippysasha@...>
Date: Mon Dec 7, 2009 4:18 pm
Subject: Re: A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

samsontippys...

Offline

Hi Jacqui,Just sent Bonnie an email,first time i checked in since reading what i thought was an email about me taking up to much of the groups time which i know is not true as there have been many here who have helped me regain my life and become a father to my daughter again.I left my opiate support group because of some and it was a big decision as i was with them for over 10 years.Im still doing well,just working on the mind fog as i call it,plus a roomate who is still using but i have set bounderies to deal with that.For some of us this is a hard time of year regardless of illness and i wish you all the best life has to offer and will be in touch.Peace and Love,John if i missed anyones emails this is for you all,you all helped in more ways than you will ever know,think of you all on a daily basis.

--- On Sat, 12/5/09, Jacqui Daane <jayvare@...> wrote:

From: Jacqui Daane <jayvare@...>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindness] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindness@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 7:21 AM

I feel the same, before judging someone's illness the healthy person should stop and ask him/herself what if that were me?. They will soon realize that they are not being mature adults.

About John, I am afraid we have lost him by the looks of things. I hope not and that he didn't relapse and doesn't want us to know. That will be a shame because after all we know he is a human being and all sorts of things can happen to us. Lord knows I have seen that in my own life so many times.

I will keep thinking about him and who knows he may even surprise us with letting us know how he is. I hope so.

Go well and enjoy your weekend.

Jacqui.

#13227

From: John Stevens <samsontippysasha@...>
Date: Mon Dec 7, 2009 3:48 pm
Subject: Re: A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

samsontippys...

Offline

thanks Bonnie,You said it all and i did feel i might have taken up to much time from the group as before i started posting about my addiction i mostly just read the emails in the group.All of you have helped more than you will ever know and for now i will read when i can.Im still doing good on 24mgs of suboxone just having problems with my roomate who is still using which gets to me,she is supposed to be gone the end of the month,time will tell.Hope All is Well with you and everyone else who supported me and i understand how some people who dont realise addiction is an illness would say unkind things,not there fault,just not edjucated in that regard.Peace and Love,John

--- On Fri, 12/4/09, BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@...> wrote:

From: BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@...>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindness] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindness@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 1:13 PM

ZZ;

Iam going to stick my neck out here and call the kettle black which I seem to be doing lately. I think and this is just my opinion, that the last few posts that John sent were put down by at least one person and you know who you are. He was told in so many words that he had his time to tell us about his recovery and now we needed to move onto other topics and he could do his recovery without bothering the group about it. Iam paraphrasing here. John was very apologetic and sorry if he took too much of our attention and that was the last we heard of him. I could cry that he could think our group doesn't want to be bothered with his recovery! Hearing about his hard struggle to recover from a devastating addiction and being part if his support group meant alot to me and I know some others feel the same way. Showing John loving compassion IS what this group is about. Being in some way inconvienced by his struggles with his recovery IS NOT what this group is about.

In Loving Kindness

Bonnie

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, Z Z <connectnet2050@ yahoo.in> wrote:

From: Z Z <connectnet2050@ yahoo.in>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:32 PM

I am wonderng why John is posting his messages. Hope he is doing well and being with his family members.

Regards

zz

--- On Fri, 4/12/09, janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca> wrote:

From: janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 4 December, 2009, 3:50 AM

Hi Bonnie,

I have not seen any postings from John lately and I have been worried about him. I pray that he is okay and knows for better or worse support is here. It has been said that it is easy to love someone when they are doing well but more needed when they are not. I did not participate in any conversations with John because I was aware that he had a lot of really good, caring people supporting him already but, I was always there watching his wonderful progress.

I had a brother who had an addiction to narcotics and it was a long road for him. Now he is in Iraq, struggling to rebuild where necessary. He does not have to be there but chooses to be. He is a very brave and loving person who finally, after many tries, climbed that big mountain and in some way is still climbing to keep his head up. It is a battle that will last for the rest of his life. But he is a God loving person who finds peace in helping others.

We can only hope and pray that John finds his way back to this group.

My gift of loving kindness to you,

Sincerely, Jane.

----- Original Message -----

From: BONNIE HUBER

To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:42 PM

Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

Jane;

Thank you for your lovely reply. My daughter was a loving, caring person who was a talented, beautiful Soul. I was blessed to have her for my daughter. I say have compassion instead of blaming it on the devil or calling it evil. My daughter was anything but evil or influenced by the devil. You are right this group is about Loving Kindness, compassion, learning life's lessons and sharing without judgement. This brings me to John. Iam very concerned about him. Iam hoping he will give us an up-date on how he is doing. I for one care for his well-being very much and hopes he is still with us and not gone away.

In Loving Kindness

Bonnie

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca> wrote:

From: janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 3:25 PM

Hi Bonnie,

You know how painful it is with regard to mental illness because of your daughter. I have known many people with bi-polar and they have been the most sensitive and caring people I have known and you have been blessed. It shows in your writings, you are an amazing person. The more we allow ourselves to express what we truly believe, the more we are able to make a difference.

Mine was my own personal pain and I refuse to let anyone make me feel that it is a curse. It has been a blessing for me because I can reach outside of my own ego to understand and help others. It is offensive to refer to any illness being called "the devil", especially when reference to the devil is considered evil. Personally, I do not believe the devil exists at all; it is my belief that we have the ability to make choices and it through those choices we decide, goodness or evil. It is our choice, not the "devils".

Just a reminder to those who sometimes forget, this group is "gift of loving kindness" and it's purpose to to spread loving kindness, not to pass judgement. I don't often comment but I do read all that is available.

Jane.

PS - I too hope John is heard from soon. Not hearing from him causes me to worry about him as I am sure it does others.

----- Original Message -----

From: BONNIE HUBER

To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 4:23 PM

Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

Pandora;

I don't see it that way at all.To refer to any disease as coming from the devil is very archaic and out-dated, especially if it involves mental illness. There is such a stigma against mental disorders anyway why add to it by making these kinds of statements? Just my opinion.

Bonnie

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, pandora krifca <pandorateta@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: pandora krifca <pandorateta@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 1:08 PM

nobody knows for sure what goes on in somebody`s brain affected by Alzheimer. In my opinion there is no harm and it`s not offensive

to call it devil`s name just like any kind of disease be it mental or physical. some diseases are curable some are not and for those that cannot be cured such a description is appropriate besides Alzheimer is worse than all the disorders or ailments you have mentioned.

with Metta

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

From: BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@ sbcglobal. net>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:14 AM

After rereading Virgil's post I saw the Alzheimers remark and I do agree with you whole-heartedly! Really do not know why something like that was put in there! didn't pay attention to it the first time. Maybe Virgil can explain why such a seemingly cruel remark would be made. My daughter had bi-polar disorder so I know only too well the ramifications of mental illness and disorders and to refer it to the devil is hurtful.

Bonnie

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca> wrote:

From: janeloik2@sympatico .ca <janeloik2@sympatico .ca>
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 10:21 AM

I think it is a cruel suggestion that Alzheimer's is the devils name. Dementia and Alzheimer's is not privy to only the idle minded. Perhaps we should rethink comments like this. Epilepsy and Mental Illness was once thought to be the devils work.. That would include a huge percentage of the population.

----- Original Message -----

From: BONNIE HUBER

To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 2:23 AM

Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

Virgil;

I do agree with all of them!

In Loving Kindness

Bonnie

--- On Wed, 12/2/09, Virgil Antonio <virgil_antonio@ yahoo.com. sg> wrote:

From: Virgil Antonio <virgil_antonio@ yahoo.com. sg>
Subject: [giftoflovingkindne ss] A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !
To: "Yeshe Lhundrup" <sssrigpaworld_ sunyakaruna@ yahoogroups. com>, "Atty. Roberto Dio" <rndio@cltpsj. com.ph>, "Yara Cristo" <yaracristo@yahoo. com.br>, christian-buddhist@ yahoogroups. com, giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 10:29 PM

A GOOD MESSAGE FOR ALL OF US !

HOW TO STAY YOUNG

1. Throw out nonessential numbers. This includes age, weight and height.Let the doctors worry about them. That is why you pay 'them'

2. Keep only cheerful friends. The grouches pull you down.

3. Keep learning. Learn more about the computer, crafts, gardening,whatever. Never let the brain idle. 'An idle mind is the devil's workshop.'

And the devil's name is Alzheimer's.

4. Enjoy the simple things.

5. Laugh often, long and loud. Laugh until you gasp for breath.

6. The tears happen. Endure, grieve, and move on. The only person,who is with us our entire life, is ourselves. Be ALIVE while you are alive.

7. Surround yourself with what you love , whether it's family, pets, keepsakes, music, plants, hobbies, whatever. Your home is your refuge.

8. Cherish your health: If it is good, preserve it. If it is unstable, improve it. If it is beyond what you can improve, get help.

9. Don't take guilt trips. Take a trip to the mall, even to the next county; to a foreign country but NOT to where the guilt is.

10. Tell the people you love that you love them, at every opportunity.

AND ALWAYS REMEMBER:

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the momentsthat take our breath away.

Worry about nothing, pray about everything!! !

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#13226

From: Pilar Sanchez <dancepeeweedance@...>
Date: Mon Dec 7, 2009 2:13 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Metta question?

dancepeeweed...

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Yes absolutely - anytime we project outwards in any way we are sending out energy.

Lovingkindness is definitely an energy and a very positive and powerful one.

From: becky mansfield <bmansfield54@...>
To: giftoflovingkindness@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2009 4:01:06
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindness] Re: Metta question?

Hi Peewee,
I like your approach for sending lovingkindness to strangers. Do you believe that lovingkindness is an energy?
 I ask because I am studying energy healing and distance healing.  I believe that I have been the recipient of
such healing.  I was hospitalized and close to death.   I only knew one energy healer but I concentrated
on requesting his help.  I was unable to contact him in  any way except by thoughts.  I woke up several hours
later  and felt that I was in deep meditation and that my friend had urged 200 Canadian Buddhists to send 
healing energies to me during a previously scheduled meditation. My recovery started rapidly then slowed 
after 2 days.  I has been almost 1 year and while not totally healed, I am grateful.  Your thoughts?
Hugs from Bekka

From: Pilar Sanchez <dancepeeweedance@ yahoo.com>
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 9:22:45 PM
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindne ss] Re: Metta question?

For example:

(and this is one of the usual method done for lovingkindness meditations in Buddhist Lineages)

1) Reflect on your mother - think of how you feel about her - your love for her and her love for you. Then focus on the feeling of love. Rest in it and reflect on it. Observe how you experience this love physically, mentally, emotionally - with all your being.

2) Reflect on someone else you love - think of how you feel about them and repeat the same process again.

3) now move on to someone else who you love or who loves you.

you will notice that the feeling of love is the same regardless who is the object of love.

Focus on the feeling of love itself.

Then repeat the words while focusing on the feeling and when well practiced you can send lovingkindness to strangers and even people who have hurt you.

Good luck in your practice,

Peewee

From: SteveE <mrsteve29@yahoo. com>
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2009 8:44:59
Subject: [giftoflovingkindne ss] Re: Metta question?

 When I reflect on the person ,what about them do I think about? 

--- In giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com, Pilar Sanchez <dancepeeweedance@ ...> wrote:
>
> Try first to let lovingkindness arise in those that you already love.
> Reflect on the person (start with yourself) then separate the feeling of love from the person.
> Then try someone else - you will notice that love is separate from the object of love.
> When you figure this out - then when you say the statements below then you will be able to make feelings of lovingkindness arise spontaneously.
> 
> With Metta,
> 
> Peewee
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: SteveE <mrsteve29@. ..>
> To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2009 4:57:02
> Subject: [giftoflovingkindne ss] Metta question?
> 
> Â  
> Hi my name is Stevie and I'm new to lovingkindness meditation. What do I do if I say my phrases such as "may you have peace...may you have love...may you have happiness" and I have trouble feeling metta when I say them. If I keep saying them even though I don't feel them will the metta eventually come. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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#13225

From: becky mansfield <bmansfield54@...>
Date: Mon Dec 7, 2009 1:01 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Metta question?

bmansfield54

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Hi Peewee,
I like your approach for sending lovingkindness to strangers. Do you believe that lovingkindness is an energy?
I ask because I am studying energy healing and distance healing. I believe that I have been the recipient of
such healing. I was hospitalized and close to death. I only knew one energy healer but I concentrated
on requesting his help. I was unable to contact him in any way except by thoughts. I woke up several hours
later and felt that I was in deep meditation and that my friend had urged 200 Canadian Buddhists to send
healing energies to me during a previously scheduled meditation. My recovery started rapidly then slowed
after 2 days. I has been almost 1 year and while not totally healed, I am grateful. Your thoughts?
Hugs from Bekka

From: Pilar Sanchez <dancepeeweedance@...>
To: giftoflovingkindness@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 9:22:45 PM
Subject: Re: [giftoflovingkindness] Re: Metta question?

For example:

(and this is one of the usual method done for lovingkindness meditations in Buddhist Lineages)

1) Reflect on your mother - think of how you feel about her - your love for her and her love for you. Then focus on the feeling of love. Rest in it and reflect on it. Observe how you experience this love physically, mentally, emotionally - with all your being.

2) Reflect on someone else you love - think of how you feel about them and repeat the same process again.

3) now move on to someone else who you love or who loves you.

you will notice that the feeling of love is the same regardless who is the object of love.

Focus on the feeling of love itself.

Then repeat the words while focusing on the feeling and when well practiced you can send lovingkindness to strangers and even people who have hurt you.

Good luck in your practice,

Peewee

From: SteveE <mrsteve29@yahoo. com>
To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2009 8:44:59
Subject: [giftoflovingkindne ss] Re: Metta question?

 When I reflect on the person ,what about them do I think about? 

--- In giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com, Pilar Sanchez <dancepeeweedance@ ...> wrote:
>
> Try first to let lovingkindness arise in those that you already love.
> Reflect on the person (start with yourself) then separate the feeling of love from the person.
> Then try someone else - you will notice that love is separate from the object of love.
> When you figure this out - then when you say the statements below then you will be able to make feelings of lovingkindness arise spontaneously.
> 
> With Metta,
> 
> Peewee
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: SteveE <mrsteve29@. ..>
> To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2009 4:57:02
> Subject: [giftoflovingkindne ss] Metta question?
> 
> Â  
> Hi my name is Stevie and I'm new to lovingkindness meditation. What do I do if I say my phrases such as "may you have peace...may you have love...may you have happiness" and I have trouble feeling metta when I say them. If I keep saying them even though I don't feel them will the metta eventually come. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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#13224

From: Charlie Malakar <charliemalakar@...>
Date: Sun Dec 6, 2009 5:03 am
Subject: Re: me

monicahazra

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John,

�

I have not heard from you for a long time.� How are you ?

Metta.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 4:25 PM, BONNIE HUBER <huberbonbon@...> wrote:

�

John, Just hang in there and don't worry about getting to every single e-mail. It really doesn't matter when it comes to your health and energy! One foot in front of the other does it!

In Loving Kindness

Bonnie

--- On Thu, 11/19/09, John Stevens <samsontippysasha@...> wrote:

From: John Stevens <samsontippysasha@...>
Subject: [giftoflovingkindness] me
To: opiaterecovery@yahoogroups.com, giftoflovingkindness@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 11:20 AM

�

Im up to 22mgs today and doing better except for some brain fog.Please excuse me if i didnt get to all my emails today but im feeling a bit overwhelmed. Peace and Love to All,John

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#13223

From: Pilar Sanchez <dancepeeweedance@...>
Date: Sun Dec 6, 2009 4:22 am
Subject: Re: Re: Metta question?

dancepeeweed...

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For example:

(and this is one of the usual method done for lovingkindness meditations in Buddhist Lineages)

1) Reflect on your mother - think of how you feel about her - your love for her and her love for you. Then focus on the feeling of love. Rest in it and reflect on it. Observe how you experience this love physically, mentally, emotionally - with all your being.

2) Reflect on someone else you love - think of how you feel about them and repeat the same process again.

3) now move on to someone else who you love or who loves you.

you will notice that the feeling of love is the same regardless who is the object of love.

Focus on the feeling of love itself.

Then repeat the words while focusing on the feeling and when well practiced you can send lovingkindness to strangers and even people who have hurt you.

Good luck in your practice,

Peewee

From: SteveE <mrsteve29@...>
To: giftoflovingkindness@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2009 8:44:59
Subject: [giftoflovingkindness] Re: Metta question?

 When I reflect on the person ,what about them do I think about? 

--- In giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com, Pilar Sanchez <dancepeeweedance@ ...> wrote:
>
> Try first to let lovingkindness arise in those that you already love.
> Reflect on the person (start with yourself) then separate the feeling of love from the person.
> Then try someone else - you will notice that love is separate from the object of love.
> When you figure this out - then when you say the statements below then you will be able to make feelings of lovingkindness arise spontaneously.
> 
> With Metta,
> 
> Peewee
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: SteveE <mrsteve29@. ..>
> To: giftoflovingkindnes s@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2009 4:57:02
> Subject: [giftoflovingkindne ss] Metta question?
> 
> Â  
> Hi my name is Stevie and I'm new to lovingkindness meditation. What do I do if I say my phrases such as "may you have peace...may you have love...may you have happiness" and I have trouble feeling metta when I say them. If I keep saying them even though I don't feel them will the metta eventually come. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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#13222

From: "SteveE" <mrsteve29@...>
Date: Sat Dec 5, 2009 5:44 pm
Subject: Re: Metta question?

mrsteve29

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When I reflect on the person ,what about them do I think about?


--- In giftoflovingkindness@yahoogroups.com, Pilar Sanchez
<dancepeeweedance@...> wrote:
>
> Try first to let lovingkindness arise in those that you already love.
> Reflect on the person (start with yourself) then separate the feeling of love
from the person.
> Then try someone else - you will notice that love is separate from the object
of love.
> When you figure this out - then when you say the statements below then you
will be able to make feelings of lovingkindness arise spontaneously.
>
> With Metta,
>
> Peewee
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: SteveE <mrsteve29@...>
> To: giftoflovingkindness@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2009 4:57:02
> Subject: [giftoflovingkindness] Metta question?
>
>  
> Hi my name is Stevie and I'm new to lovingkindness meditation. What do I do if
I say my phrases such as "may you have peace...may you have love...may you have
happiness" and I have trouble feeling metta when I say them. If I keep saying
them even though I don't feel them will the metta eventually come.
>
>
>
>
>
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#13221

From: Pilar Sanchez <dancepeeweedance@...>
Date: Sat Dec 5, 2009 5:04 pm
Subject: Re: Metta question?

dancepeeweed...

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Try first to let lovingkindness arise in those that you already love.
Reflect on the person (start with yourself) then separate the feeling of love from the person.
Then try someone else - you will notice that love is separate from the object of love.
When you figure this out - then when you say the statements below then you will be able to make feelings of lovingkindness arise spontaneously.
 
With Metta,
 
Peewee



From: SteveE <mrsteve29@...>
To: giftoflovingkindness@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2009 4:57:02
Subject: [giftoflovingkindness] Metta question?

 Hi my name is Stevie and I'm new to lovingkindness meditation. What do I do if I say my phrases such as "may you have peace...may you have love...may you have happiness" and I have trouble feeling metta when I say them. If I keep saying them even though I don't feel them will the metta eventually come. 