--- In gita-talk@yahoogroups.com, surashree rode <mini_usa2002@...>
wrote:
>
> || SHREE HARI ||
>
>   JAI SHREE KRISHNA!
>
>   No matter what happens, if you are more and more with God, you
will find that He is with you always.   Make the effort to find God
by trying to convince Him that you want Him, and by trying to bend
His will to speak to you.  You have to make God break His vow of
silence; then He will speak.  That is what makes it difficult to
know Him.  It requires devotional perseverance.  Above all, then,
find time for God. No matter how tired you are at the end of the
day, as soon as everyone else retires, you get up and throw yourself
at His feet.  Don't sleep until you have communed with Him.  Pray to
him in the language your heart: "My Lord, You come first.  I have
made up my mind that in the temple of night I shall give myself to
loving You.  You are my everything"
>

divine bandhu!
              hari om!

Really it is the msg that touches the heart & a true invocation to
HIM. But it should be rise in the depth of one's heart bcoz "bhava
grahi janardana" HE only understands the lang. of sentiments.
>   This message touched my heart and I wanted to share with
you.......
>
>   Hari Bol!
>

Respected Readers,

Very often we see that Lord Krishna is remainding Arjuna about his duties and warning,'Forget Not Your Duty, Arjuna'. Recently, I am in a dilema regarding duty. I checked the definition of duty in internet and found the following two :

1. Work that you are obliged to perform for moral or legal reasons; "the duties of the job" m

2. The social force that binds you to your obligations and the courses of action demanded by that force; "we must instill a sense of duty in our children";

Following is my dilema : Suppose a student works very hard, prepares very well and attends the exam (passing the exam is his aim and preparing and attending the exam is his duty).  He comes to know that  all his friends / classmates had got the  question paper in advance and they  could answer  well.  Let us assume that exam was "relative" and this boy stands last (inspite of his hardwork). He takes the exam again (by force from his parents and well wishers) inspite of his depression. This time, again he fails (or stand in the last)  as mass copying was allowed and others could do well.

Should this boy has to take the exam again with his approach? Or change himself with the mass (copying, cheating etc.,) or just forget this exam and take something else as this is not suiting his nature?

Thank you for throwing some light and with best regards,
Padma

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JAI SHREE KRISHNA!

 

No matter what happens, if you are more and more with God, you will find that He is with you always.   Make the effort to find God by trying to convince Him that you want Him, and by trying to bend His will to speak to you.  You have to make God break His vow of silence; then He will speak.  That is what makes it difficult to know Him.  It requires devotional perseverance.  Above all, then, find time for God. No matter how tired you are at the end of the day, as soon as everyone else retires, you get up and throw yourself at His feet.  Don't sleep until you have communed with Him.  Pray to him in the language your heart: "My Lord, You come first.  I have made up my mind that in the temple of night I shall give myself to loving You.  You are my everything"

 

This message touched my heart and I wanted to share with you.......

 

Hari Bol!

 

 

Dharma of the boy and his parents also included fighting the adharma of mass copying!Lord does not expect you to sit idly while injustice is being done!

You may leave the results of the battle to God,but it is your Dharma to oppose in whichever way you can!

Bhave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anup Wadhwa"
To: gita-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [gita-talk] Definition of duty - some clarification
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:55:59 +0530

PLEASE READ MULTIPLE SADHAKA RESPONSES,

From: "pratapbhatt"

Some comments/suggestions:

In case of Lord Krishna's advice, duty means more as Dharma of righteousness, than binding force or any obligations. If something forces us to do but we don't like to do for some right reasons, then we better not do or that which we do will lack love, devotion, and efficiency.

I think to do that which we love, and is right also is more important than to do as duty in most cases. Then the issue will resolve to only "how can we love what we do and to discriminate between right and wrong".

Now in case of the student who fails exam after sincere studying and preparation and hard work, what matters is that the boy has given his best to study and then leave results to God according to Gita. Results is not in one's hand. Karma (Action) is.

Do as your duty in line with dharma dictates and accept the results as prasad from God, be it of passing or failing! ... Karmanyevadhikaraste, maa faleshu kadachn.......... is what Bhagwan says to Arjuna. You can only do karmas in line with dharma, you cannot influence the result thereof!

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Respected Readers,

My response is in 2 parts:

1. How we label events determines our first response. The human mind can't see the whole picture so it labels incidents as right or wrong. If the student knows who is the mastermind of all incidents, it will elicit a firm yet joyous response. His commitment towards study will be challenged but not shaken.

2. The student in question nurtures an image about himself. That image is not a true reflection of his self. Its coloured with a mixture of emotional and thought patterns. His key focus should be to liberate himself from patterns that induce an experience of being a victim.

By enquiring into the above he attains familiarity with his own gita.

Anup
 

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Love and Love alone....

Why do you want to tax your brain with such hypothetical questions, which do not help you in your sadhana. Let us cross the bridge, when we reach that. Thinking about it now when we do not know how long the bridge would be, what kind of structure it is, etc., means we are only wasting our "present" for "future". It does not make any sense and help one at all.

 

Love and Love alone... P. Gopi Krishna

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With respect..... I don't think we can ignore the relative values as the reader has suggested. Copying answers, and the resulting malpractices can make the deserving one out of opportunity. And, unfortunately, these (or similar) practices are fact of life.

During such situations, it is still expected for one to follow the right path, and perform one's duties. But, that is only one side of the coin. The effort to expose these practices, and thence to fight them should also be made. Single handedly, it could be difficult, but done collectively by righteous people it would be considered an 'Yagniya Karya' bearing God-said results. Bhagwan also said ' paritranay sadhunaam, vinashayascha duskrutam..' He also comes to help the righteous and destroy the 'dushta' people. Escapism is not the way.

regards..... Naresh Shah.

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From Rekha Gupta Divine mitra!

Perhaps I can understand ur delima bcoz I m too a student. 1.As i believe,according to gita where lord says "KARMANYE VA DHIKARASTEY MAA FALESHU KADACHINAA",we dont need to worry about the result or outcome of any deed we commited,though it a exam.

2. Secondly I think we can get in the life only that we have given or as our "prarabdha" nothing more neither less to that and at predetermineed time."

so u dont puzzle yourself for these things. if this course or field is not in ur fate ,then Lord might change it for u and so HE is trying to change circumstance for this, so that u change ur intention.

3.If u r not following the wrong path then even if it did'nt made u succeeded,but has given u great internal satisfaction.is'nt it. so do only that give u spritual success since it is immortal. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

From: npanda@ntpc.... I HAVE ALSO SIMILAR EXPERIENCE. LAST YEAR I WAS DUE FOR A PROMOTION. IHAVE BEEN SINCERELY AND HONESTLY DOING MY DUTY TAKING CARE OF INTEREST OF ORGANISATION. BUT THAT HURTS THE VESTED INTEREST OF SOME AND USING POLITICS/REGIONALISM SPOILED MY CARRIER AS I DID NOT FIT THE PREFERRED PLACE/LANGUAGE. NOBODY IS INTERESTED IN JUSTICE. PLEASE TELL WHAT TO DO?

 

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From Bharathi

The boy first of all need not had to be depressed..'you just have to do your duty and do not think about any consequences at all..whether he fails or passes. One's best ability is the only thing you can and the rest is to God or the supreme power.

Again, let him not compare himself to any other person whether they cheated or copied or got the exam paper ahead..just follow his heart and sincerely and honestly prepare and take the exam. the greatest satisfaction of life is..that you followed ur heart, but do not compare yourself with anyone else. you define ur own success. Yes..the people can call u many things..its from their view..but u define ur own success competing with your own self

so, have the sincere feeling and honesty within the heart..he may go thro many challenges (I am not saying obstacles), but he is a victory to himself and will be a role model to many others. (Yes..all that takes time..) but again, have the patience and do ur sincere things which you feel right in urself and leave the rest to God or that supreme. And God will be with him. God will never abandon anyone who is sincere or honest. That is for sure. Have FAITH in God. Having surrendered to God, it is not ur suffering anymore ...battles are not urs to fight. God will fight ur battles for u.

Again, repeating here..'GOD/Supreme divinity/supreme power/or whatever each religion calls'' will NEVER leave or will never stop supporting you once you do your duty (duty is what you feel right in ur heart which U feel u have to do or expect someone else to do for u if u were in that situation ) and leave the output or the fruits of the activity to that Lord with comeplete FAITH.

Good Luck with everything :)

Regards. Bharathidiv>
 

bh_4321@......div>
  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On 11/30/06, Padmavathy AS <aspadma2003@yahoo.com> wrote:

Respected Readers,

Very often we see that Lord Krishna is remainding Arjuna about his duties and warning,'Forget Not Your Duty, Arjuna'. Recently, I am in a dilema regarding duty. I checked the definition of duty in internet and found the following two :

1. Work that you are obliged to perform for moral or legal reasons; "the duties of the job" m

2. The social force that binds you to your obligations and the courses of action demanded by that force; "we must instill a sense of duty in our children";

Following is my dilema : Suppose a student works very hard, prepares very well and attends the exam (passing the exam is his aim and preparing and attending the exam is his duty).  He comes to know that  all his friends / classmates had got the  question paper in advance and they  could answer  well.  Let us assume that exam was "relative" and this boy stands last (inspite of his hardwork). He takes the exam again (by force from his parents and well wishers) inspite of his depression. This time, again he fails (or stand in the last)  as mass copying was allowed and others could do well.

Should this boy has to take the exam again with his approach? Or change himself with the mass (copying, cheating etc.,) or just forget this exam and take something else as this is not suiting his nature?

Thank you for throwing some light and with best regards,
Padma

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• Why on the battlefield, The Lord would discuss a caste system (as many of us has discussed being an external cast, sub-caste system, with Arjun?  What is the relevance?
• On one hand Lord is asking Arjuna to become a yogi BG 6:46) then why on earth he wants Arjuna to understand external cast system?  Yogis are free from casts, aren't they?  Then why Lord is talking about it to Arjuna?  Do you think Arjuna was not familiar with the casts existed in his kingdom?

The kind of relationship described between Krishna and Arjuna indicates that Arjuna considered Krishna as his Guru (a few places he says I am your disciple, please guide me, teach me, show me the right path, etc. BG 2:7) If we consider Shri Krishna being Parmaatmaa then Arjun represents our jivaatmaa.  So Pramaatmaa is parting the inner knowledge to Arjuna - jivaatmaa.  To understand inner knowledge one has to go within.  As usual, I would request all of us to go within and understand this aspect as Baba had made me understand.

• When we clean our own body or anybody else's as a care taker - bath/after excretion/vomit, etc. who are we?  Are we not Shudras?  When we try to cleanse our mind from all bad or evil tendencies, are we not Shudras?
• When we exchange our time to earn money or any other things that are needed for our living, are we not Vaishyas?
• When we fight for the rights, truth, or have an inner battle to win over our weaknesses, are we not Kshatriyas?
• When we acquire or part knowledge - para or apara, are we not trying to play a role of Brahmin?

Dharma is one of the 4 stages of self realization process. First step is KAM
(object/sensory or physical property), Second is ARTH
(subject/vishaya/intellectual property) Third is DHARMA (mind training to clean
subjects by proper understanding and research) and Fourth is MOKSHA (achievement
of detachment after fully knowing everything).

Dharma and Moksha are a matter of swadhyay in Bhagwat Gita. Dharma is R&D
activity on self and after the R&D, it is Moksha.

KAM and ARTH are product and subject of the products respectively, and these are
normal to us, and not a matter of self and not discussed in Bhagwat Gita in
depth.

Regards
K G

Original Message:
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From:
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 00:02:19 -0500
To: gita-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [gita-talk] Definition of duty - some clarification


Dharma of the boy and his parents also included fighting the adharma of
mass copying! Lord does not expect you to sit idly while injustice is
being done!

You may leave the results of the battle to God,but it is your Dharma to
oppose in whichever way you can!

Bhave

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: "Anup Wadhwa"
   To: gita-talk@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [gita-talk] Definition of duty - some clarification
   Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:55:59 +0530

   PLEASE READ MULTIPLE SADHAKA RESPONSES,From: "pratapbhatt" Some
   comments/suggestions: In case of Lord Krishna's advice, duty means
   more as Dharma of righteousness, than binding force or any
   obligations. If something forces us to do but we don't like to do for
   some right reasons, then we better not do or that which we do will
   lack love, devotion, and efficiency. I think to do that which we
   love, and is right also is more important than to do as duty in most
   cases. Then the issue will resolve to only "how can we love what we
   do and to discriminate between right and wrong". Now in case of the
   student who fails exam after sincere studying and preparation and
   hard work, what matters is that the boy has given his best to study
   and then leave results to God according to Gita. Results is not in
   one's hand. Karma (Action) is. Do as your duty in line with dharma
   dictates and accept the results as prasad from God, be it of passing
   or failing! ... Karmanyevadhikaraste, maa faleshu kadachn..........
   is what Bhagwan says to Arjuna. You can only do karmas in line with
   dharma, you cannot influence the result thereof!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------
   Respected Readers,My response is in 2 parts:1. How we label events
   determines our first response. The human mind can't see the whole
   picture so it labels incidents as right or wrong. If the
   student knows who is the mastermind of all incidents, it will elicit
   a firm yet joyous response. His commitment towards study will be
   challenged but not shaken. 2. The student in question nurtures an
   image about himself. That image is not a true reflection of his self.
   Its coloured with a mixture of emotional and thought patterns. His
   key focus should be to liberate himself from patterns that induce an
   experience of being a victim. By enquiring into the above he attains
   familiarity with his own gita. Anup
   --------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------
   Love and Love alone.... Why do you want to tax your brain with such
   hypothetical questions, which do not help you in your sadhana. Let us
   cross the bridge, when we reach that. Thinking about it now when we
   do not know how long the bridge would be, what kind of structure it
   is, etc., means we are only wasting our "present" for "future". It
   does not make any sense and help one at all.
   Love and Love alone... P. Gopi Krishna
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------
   With respect..... I don't think we can ignore the relative values as
   the reader has suggested. Copying answers, and the resulting
   malpractices can make the deserving one out of opportunity. And,
   unfortunately, these (or similar) practices are fact of life. During
   such situations, it is still expected for one to follow the right
   path, and perform one's duties. But, that is only one side of the
   coin. The effort to expose these practices, and thence to fight them
   should also be made. Single handedly, it could be difficult, but done
   collectively by righteous people it would be considered an 'Yagniya
   Karya' bearing God-said results. Bhagwan also said ' paritranay
   sadhunaam, vinashayascha duskrutam..' He also comes to help the
   righteous and destroy the 'dushta' people. Escapism is not the way.
   regards..... Naresh Shah.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------
   From Rekha Gupta Divine mitra! Perhaps I can understand ur delima
   bcoz I m too a student. 1.As i believe,according to gita where lord
   says "KARMANYE VA DHIKARASTEY MAA FALESHU KADACHINAA",we dont need to
   worry about the result or outcome of any deed we commited,though it a
   exam. 2. Secondly I think we can get in the life only that we have
   given or as our "prarabdha" nothing more neither less to that and at
   predetermineed time." so u dont puzzle yourself for these things. if
   this course or field is not in ur fate ,then Lord might change it for
   u and so HE is trying to change circumstance for this, so that u
   change ur intention. 3.If u r not following the wrong path then even
   if it did'nt made u succeeded,but has given u great internal
   satisfaction.is'nt it. so do only that give u spritual success since
   it is immortal.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------
   From: npanda@ntpc.... I HAVE ALSO SIMILAR EXPERIENCE. LAST YEAR I WAS
   DUE FOR A PROMOTION. IHAVE BEEN SINCERELY AND HONESTLY DOING MY DUTY
   TAKING CARE OF INTEREST OF ORGANISATION. BUT THAT HURTS THE VESTED
   INTEREST OF SOME AND USING POLITICS/REGIONALISM SPOILED MY CARRIER AS
   I DID NOT FIT THE PREFERRED PLACE/LANGUAGE. NOBODY IS INTERESTED IN
   JUSTICE. PLEASE TELL WHAT TO DO?
   --------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------
   From Bharathi The boy first of all need not had to be depressed..'you
   just have to do your duty and do not think about any consequences at
   all..whether he fails or passes. One's best ability is the only thing
   you can and the rest is to God or the supreme power. Again, let him
   not compare himself to any other person whether they cheated or
   copied or got the exam paper ahead..just follow his heart and
   sincerely and honestly prepare and take the exam. the greatest
   satisfaction of life is..that you followed ur heart, but do not
   compare yourself with anyone else. you define ur own success.
   Yes..the people can call u many things..its from their view..but u
   define ur own success competing with your own self so, have the
   sincere feeling and honesty within the heart..he may go thro many
   challenges (I am not saying obstacles), but he is a victory to
   himself and will be a role model to many others. (Yes..all that takes
   time..) but again, have the patience and do ur sincere things which
   you feel right in urself and leave the rest to God or that supreme.
   And God will be with him. God will never abandon anyone who is
   sincere or honest. That is for sure. Have FAITH in God. Having
   surrendered to God, it is not ur suffering anymore ...battles are not
   urs to fight. God will fight ur battles for u. Again, repeating
   here..'GOD/Supreme divinity/supreme power/or whatever each religion
   calls'' will NEVER leave or will never stop supporting you once you
   do your duty (duty is what you feel right in ur heart which U feel u
   have to do or expect someone else to do for u if u were in that
   situation ) and leave the output or the fruits of the activity to
   that Lord with comeplete FAITH. Good Luck with everything :) Regards.
   Bharathidiv>
   bh_4321@......div>
   --------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------
   On 11/30/06, Padmavathy AS <aspadma2003@...> wrote:

     Respected Readers,

     Very often we see that Lord Krishna is remainding Arjuna about
     his duties and warning,'Forget Not Your Duty, Arjuna'. Recently,
     I am in a dilema regarding duty. I checked the definition of duty
     in internet and found the following two :

     1. Work that you are obliged to perform for moral or legal
     reasons; "the duties of the job" m

     2. The social force that binds you to your obligations and the
     courses of action demanded by that force; "we must instill a
     sense of duty in our children";

     Following is my dilema : Suppose a student works very hard,
     prepares very well and attends the exam (passing the exam is his
     aim and preparing and attending the exam is his duty).  He comes
     to know that  all his friends / classmates had got the  question
     paper in advance and they  could answer  well.  Let us assume
     that exam was "relative" and this boy stands last (inspite of his
     hardwork). He takes the exam again (by force from his parents and
     well wishers) inspite of his depression. This time, again he
     fails (or stand in the last)  as mass copying was allowed and
     others could do well.

     Should this boy has to take the exam again with his approach? Or
     change himself with the mass (copying, cheating etc.,) or just
     forget this exam and take something else as this is not suiting
     his nature?

     Thank you for throwing some light and with best regards,
     Padma

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"sarva dharman parityajya mamekam sharanmvruj"  By taking refuge in God, there
is tremendous and eternal benefit.  I have experienced  that even when faced
with the worst of difficulties, if one maintains equanimity and surrenders to
God, then there is tremendous gains, one experiences extraordinary energy in
surrendering.  The Discipline of Inner Silence (Chup Saadhan), is very
beneficial.  Every 10-15 minutes just for 2-3 seconds maintain inner silence. 
There is great merit in this practice, therefore all my spiritual brothers and
sisters, it is a request to take advantage of this wonderful practice.   Hari Om

IN HINDI
sarva dharman parityajya mamekam sharanmvruj..bhagwan ki sharnagati se
bada laabh param labh hota hai..iska maine anubhav kiya hai
nitya jivan me bhi badi se badi kathinai aane per bhi yedi samata
rakhakar yedi bhagwan ke sharan ho jaaye to bada laabh hota hai eak
vishesh shakti ka anubhav hota haisharanagati me "chup sadhan" vishesh
slabhakari hai. har 10 15 minute ke baad 2 se 3 second ke liye shant ho
jaaye . yeh sadhan vishesh labhakari hai isliye meri sabhi sadhak bhai
behno se nivedan hai ki iska laabh uthave.hari om

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Ram Ram

Love and Love alone...

If we sincerely follow Srimad Bhagavad Gita, It will reveal to us the right path
instantaneously. We need not search anywhere or ask anybody about the path to
devotion or jnana. Yes, we can ask the meaning, but not the path, as the meaning
will throw sufficient light
to leading the way.

Bhagavadgeetaa Kinchidadheetaa; Gangaajalalavakanikaa Peetaa
Sakridapi Yena Muraarisamarchaa; Kriyate Tasya Yamena Na Charchaa

Meaning:
Bhagavat Gita - The Bhagavad Geeta, Kinchid - (even) a little, Adheetaa - has
studied, Gangaajalalavakanikaa - a drop of Ganga water, Peetaa - has sipped,
Sakrit api - at least once, Yena - by whom, Muraarisamarchaa - worship of the
Lord Murari (Murasta ari - the enemy of Mura, a Raakshasa), Kriyate - is done,
Tasya - to
him, Yamena - with Yama, the Lord of Death, Na - never, Charchaa - quarrel
(discussion).

Substance:
Even a little study and understanding of Srimad Bhagavad Gita, or sipping of
even a drop of the water of holy Ganga or even a little worship of Murari will
surely save one from confrontation with Yama, the Lord of Death.

Commentary:
While Srimad Bhagavad Gita explains in detail what exactly is the secret essence
and goal of life and what are the methods by which these can be achieved, the
perennial river Ganges symbolises the "spiritual knowledge" for the Hindus.
Until the ego (or shall we
call it Mura, the Raakshasa) in us is annihilated, there is no hope of realising
the Real Truth or Knowledge. Man is basically bound by the body-consciousness
and the ego-sense, arising out of false identification with matter. This can be
removed only by devoted worship and prayer at the altar of the very Destroyer of
Ego (Murari). In the process, one has to withdraw one's mind from all other
preoccupations and keep reminding it of the goal and then nurture of the self is
the only method by which one can reach the destination. The one, who has
acquired the real knowledge, i.e., Sastraas, and has the burning desire to reach
the goal should put in
untiring efforts to reach the destiny and such a sadhaka will not have fear of
death.

Love and Love alone...

P. Gopi Krishna

--- rekha gupta <rekha_dp81@...> wrote:

> priya atman!!
>         hari om!!!
>
>
>    I want to know that how can i increase my firm
> faith in the almighty, and proceed forward on the
> path that geetaji(scripture) shown to me. Today
> there are too many attractions & facinations
> everywhere ,I know these can demote only that
> aspirant who dont has a firm determinetion to
> achieve his/her goal, but  yet i have to know a very
> effective formula ,that will get me rid of the net
> of desire & expectations.
>
>   I would be thankful to u.
>
>   always in HIS divine feet.
>
>                             rekh!!!
>
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Swami ji says - Only for once, just once, accept this from the bottom
of your heart and then remain free from the tension of forgetting Him Or
could'nt remember HIM at all times,  since HE and HIS relation is
acceptance is self-evident.

Shree Hari
Ram Ram
In Chapter 17, Lord talks about the different foods that a Sattvic, Rajasik, and
Tamasik person is attracted to. I believe in Gita 17:10, there is talk of the
tamasik person and the foods that they are attracted to... this includes half
cooked food, insipid, stinking (wine, onion, garlic etc), stale, polluted and
the very impure (meat, fish, eggs etc).

Lord does not directly talk about the foods, as much as the description of the
person's inclination, which can be judged by the nature of the food that is dear
to them.

The word used by the Lord is "AMEDHYAM" for meat, fish and eggs etc.  as
extremely impure foods.  These are so impure that they are as good as a dead
man's body, that even on touching it, one has to take a bath.  They are so
impure that the Lord does not even want to mention the names of these impure
foods.

Hope this helps.... A Sadhak
Ram Ram
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Can someone please tell me that "where does it indicate in Shri
Bhagvad Gita that a human being should not eat MEAT."  It is very
important for me to know this fact.

Thank you
Hari OM

Kaushal V. Patel
aaryanjay@.....

Shree Hari
Ram Ram
In Chapter 17, Lord talks about the different foods that a Sattvic, Rajasik, and Tamasik person is attracted to. I believe in Gita 17:10, there is talk of the tamasik person and the foods that they are attracted to... this includes half cooked food, insipid, stinking (wine, onion, garlic etc), stale, polluted and the very impure (meat, fish, eggs etc).

Lord does not directly talk about the foods, as much as the description of the person's inclination, which can be judged by the nature of the food that is dear to them.

The word used by the Lord is "AMEDHYAM" for meat, fish and eggs etc. as extremely impure foods. These are so impure that they are as good as a dead man's body, that even on touching it, one has to take a bath. They are so impure that the Lord does not even want to mention the names of these impure foods.

Hope this helps.... A Sadhak
Ram Ram
----------------------------------------------------------

Can someone please tell me that "where does it indicate in Shri
Bhagvad Gita that a human being should not eat MEAT." It is very
important for me to know this fact.

Thank you
Hari OM

Kaushal V. Patel
aaryanjay@.....

Fellow Devotees;

Here is a nice way of looking at meat. If we divide the word into two we see Me and Eat. The way we can avoid eating our animal brothers and sisters is by understanding that they will Eat Me in the future lives, as the table gets turned around on us. Although I am eating , I will become the eaten. Vegetables, fruits and grains cannot eat. They have to be eaten . But animals eat and we should hopefully not see the day when we  fall back into the lower species and face the tribulations of corporate slaughter as recently depicted in the movie, Fast Food Nation.

Avadhoot

sadhak_insight <sadhak_insight@yahoo.com> wrote:

Shree Hari
Ram Ram
In Chapter 17, Lord talks about the different foods that a Sattvic, Rajasik, and Tamasik person is attracted to. I believe in Gita 17:10, there is talk of the tamasik person and the foods that they are attracted to... this includes half cooked food, insipid, stinking (wine, onion, garlic etc), stale, polluted and the very impure (meat, fish, eggs etc).

Lord does not directly talk about the foods, as much as the description of the person's inclination, which can be judged by the nature of the food that is dear to them.

The word used by the Lord is "AMEDHYAM" for meat, fish and eggs etc. as extremely impure foods. These are so impure that they are as good as a dead man's body, that even on touching it, one has to take a bath. They are so impure that the Lord does not even want to mention the names of these impure foods.

Hope this helps.... A Sadhak
Ram Ram
----------------------------------------------------------

Can someone please tell me that "where does it indicate in Shri
Bhagvad Gita that a human being should not eat MEAT." It is very
important for me to know this fact.

Thank you
Hari OM

Kaushal V. Patel
aaryanjay@.....

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> We kwow but yet we ignore that "WE ARE ONLY AND ONLY OF GOD'S AND HE
> IS ONLY OUR'S."
> Swami ji says - Only for once, just once, accept this from the bottom
> of your heart and then remain free from the tension of forgetting Him Or
> could'nt remember HIM at all times,  since HE and HIS relation is
> acceptance is self-evident.
>
>
SIR/MADAM
EVERY THING HAPPENED AND HAPPENNING ARE DONE BY PEOPLE IN POWERFUL
POSITIONS OTHER THAN NATURAL CALAMITIIS IN OUR COUNTRY.WHERE IS GOD TO
PROTECT?

The question is: "Everything is done by people in
Power and by natural calamities, where is God to
protect?"
I propose this: If people found out the true meaning
of God  and know God, they will not do harms to others
ever and those of us asking such questions will also
see that answer lies in knowing experiencially God
beyond any shadow of doubt. The real issue is to know
God, isn't it? Without knowing God in its true essence
how can we even know He is helping or not helping?
Don't we all have some image of God and our own ideas
of what protection is from our own individual and
family point of view? We are so quick to ascertain
that God is not helping according to what we want help
to be.
No one has done any abuse of people when he/she knows
God as the sole doer of all our deeds.
Try hard to know God as suggested by Swamiji and all
our questions will get answered.
Best regards to fellow truth
seekers/lovers......Pratap

--- npanda@... wrote:

> > We kwow but yet we ignore that "WE ARE ONLY AND
> ONLY OF GOD'S AND HE
> > IS ONLY OUR'S."
> > Swami ji says - Only for once, just once, accept
> this from the bottom
> > of your heart and then remain free from the
> tension of forgetting Him Or
> > could'nt remember HIM at all times,  since HE and
> HIS relation is
> > acceptance is self-evident.
> >
> >
> SIR/MADAM
> EVERY THING HAPPENED AND HAPPENNING ARE DONE BY
> PEOPLE IN POWERFUL
> POSITIONS OTHER THAN NATURAL CALAMITIIS IN OUR
> COUNTRY.WHERE IS GOD TO
> PROTECT?
>
>




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Dear All,

Love and Love alone...

Not only that, in the series of words of "Dharma,
Artha, Kama and Moksha", "Dharma" comes first and
"Moksha" comes last. It clearly indicates that that
"Artha" and "Kama" should have "Dharma" as the main
and the most important ingredient, then only one is
eligible and entitled to "Moksha". That is the reason,
our Seers put "Dharma" first of "Artha and Kama" to
get to "Moksha". Without "Dharma", there is no meaning
of "Artha and Kama". The society will become chaotic
and humans will become beasts. Is it not? So, "Dharma"
is the main. It also in a way suggests the purpose of
"Four Stages of Life.", i.e., "Kaumara or Brahmacharya
or Yavvana, Grihastha, Vanaprastha and Sanyasa". As a
Brahmachari or in Yavvana, one learns about Sastras
and how to conduct oneself in a righteous way (i.e.,
Dharma), as Grihastha, one gets married and following
Dharma, one earns and also begets progeny, as a
Vanaprastha, one serves the society about the concepts
of "Dharma" and as Sanyasi one becomes the That (which
is the Dharma itself, i.e., Tyaga). Tyaga (or
Renunciation) automatically leads to Moksha.

What do you all say? Am I right? Kindly correct me, if
my analyses is wrong.

Love and Love alone...

P. Gopi Krishna
--- "qualitymeter@..."
<qualitymeter@...> wrote:

> Dharma is one of the 4 stages of self realization
> process. First step is KAM (object/sensory or
> physical property), Second is ARTH
> (subject/vishaya/intellectual property) Third is
> DHARMA (mind training to clean subjects by proper
> understanding and research) and Fourth is MOKSHA
> (achievement of detachment after fully knowing
> everything).
>
> Dharma and Moksha are a matter of swadhyay in
> Bhagwat Gita. Dharma is R&D activity on self and
> after the R&D, it is Moksha.
>
> KAM and ARTH are product and subject of the products
> respectively, and these are normal to us, and not a
> matter of self and not discussed in Bhagwat Gita in
> depth.
>
> Regards
> K G
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From:
> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 00:02:19 -0500
> To: gita-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [gita-talk] Definition of
> duty - some clarification
>
>
> Dharma of the boy and his parents also included
> fighting the adharma of
> mass copying! Lord does not expect you to sit idly
> while injustice is
> being done!
>
> You may leave the results of the battle to God,but
> it is your Dharma to
> oppose in whichever way you can!
>
> Bhave
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "Anup Wadhwa"
>   To: gita-talk@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [gita-talk] Definition of duty - some
> clarification
>   Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:55:59 +0530
>
>   PLEASE READ MULTIPLE SADHAKA RESPONSES,From:
> "pratapbhatt" Some
>   comments/suggestions: In case of Lord Krishna's
> advice, duty means
>   more as Dharma of righteousness, than binding
> force or any
>   obligations. If something forces us to do but we
> don't like to do for
>   some right reasons, then we better not do or that
> which we do will
>   lack love, devotion, and efficiency. I think to do
> that which we
>   love, and is right also is more important than to
> do as duty in most
>   cases. Then the issue will resolve to only "how
> can we love what we
>   do and to discriminate between right and wrong".
> Now in case of the
>   student who fails exam after sincere studying and
> preparation and
>   hard work, what matters is that the boy has given
> his best to study
>   and then leave results to God according to Gita.
> Results is not in
>   one's hand. Karma (Action) is. Do as your duty in
> line with dharma
>   dictates and accept the results as prasad from
> God, be it of passing
>   or failing! ... Karmanyevadhikaraste, maa faleshu
> kadachn..........
>   is what Bhagwan says to Arjuna. You can only do
> karmas in line with
>   dharma, you cannot influence the result thereof!
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------
>   Respected Readers,My response is in 2 parts:1. How
> we label events
>   determines our first response. The human mind
> can't see the whole
>   picture so it labels incidents as right or wrong.
> If the
>   student knows who is the mastermind of all
> incidents, it will elicit
>   a firm yet joyous response. His commitment towards
> study will be
>   challenged but not shaken. 2. The student in
> question nurtures an
>   image about himself. That image is not a true
> reflection of his self.
>   Its coloured with a mixture of emotional and
> thought patterns. His
>   key focus should be to liberate himself from
> patterns that induce an
>   experience of being a victim. By enquiring into
> the above he attains
>   familiarity with his own gita. Anup
>
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------
>   Love and Love alone.... Why do you want to tax
> your brain with such
>   hypothetical questions, which do not help you in
> your sadhana. Let us
>   cross the bridge, when we reach that. Thinking
> about it now when we
>   do not know how long the bridge would be, what
> kind of structure it
>   is, etc., means we are only wasting our "present"
> for "future". It
>   does not make any sense and help one at all.
>   Love and Love alone... P. Gopi Krishna
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------
>   With respect..... I don't think we can ignore the
> relative values as
>   the reader has suggested. Copying answers, and the
> resulting
>   malpractices can make the deserving one out of
> opportunity. And,
>   unfortunately, these (or similar) practices are
> fact of life. During
>   such situations, it is still expected for one to
> follow the right
>   path, and perform one's duties. But, that is only
> one side of the
>   coin. The effort to expose these practices, and
> thence to fight them
>   should also be made. Single handedly, it could be
> difficult, but done
>   collectively by righteous people it would be
> considered an 'Yagniya
>   Karya' bearing God-said results. Bhagwan also said
> ' paritranay
>   sadhunaam, vinashayascha duskrutam..' He also
> comes to help the
>   righteous and destroy the 'dushta' people.
> Escapism is not the way.
>   regards..... Naresh Shah.
>
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> ----------------------
>   From Rekha Gupta Divine mitra! Perhaps I can
> understand ur delima
>   bcoz I m too a student. 1.As i believe,according
> to gita where lord
>   says "KARMANYE VA DHIKARASTEY MAA FALESHU
> KADACHINAA",we dont need to
>   worry about the result or outcome of any deed we
> commited,though it a
>   exam. 2. Secondly I think we can get in the life
> only that we have
>   given or as our "prarabdha" nothing more neither
> less to that and at
>   predetermineed time." so u dont puzzle yourself
> for these things. if
>   this course or field is not in ur fate ,then Lord
> might change it for
>   u and so HE is trying to change circumstance for
> this, so that u
>   change ur intention. 3.If u r not following the
> wrong path then even
>   if it did'nt made u succeeded,but has given u
> great internal
>   satisfaction.is'nt it. so do only that give u
> spritual success since
>   it is immortal.
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------
>   From: npanda@ntpc.... I HAVE ALSO SIMILAR
> EXPERIENCE. LAST YEAR I WAS
>   DUE FOR A PROMOTION. IHAVE BEEN SINCERELY AND
> HONESTLY DOING MY DUTY
>   TAKING CARE OF INTEREST OF ORGANISATION. BUT THAT
> HURTS THE VESTED
>   INTEREST OF SOME AND USING POLITICS/REGIONALISM
> SPOILED MY CARRIER AS
>   I DID NOT FIT THE PREFERRED PLACE/LANGUAGE. NOBODY
> IS INTERESTED IN
>   JUSTICE. PLEASE TELL WHAT TO DO?
>
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------
>   From Bharathi The boy first of all need not had to
> be depressed..'you
>   just have to do your duty and do not think about
> any consequences at
>   all..whether he fails or passes. One's best
> ability is the only thing
>   you can and the rest is to God or the supreme
> power. Again, let him
>   not compare himself to any other person whether
> they cheated or
>   copied or got the exam paper ahead..just follow
> his
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P. Gopi Krishna



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• We all know, including the student who came last in the exam that our duty as a student is to study sincerely.  Only the student himself/herself can answer this question whether he/she studied sincerely or not?  Sometimes, apparently it looks like we are studying very hard but if we honestly evaluate ourselves (go within), we will find out that our heart is not into study at all!  We were not studying at all as most of the time our mind was somewhere else!  Would we honestly say in this situation that I fulfilled my duty of studying? 
• If I had honestly studied, done my duty with full faith and devotion towards it, where the question of what others are doing arise?  How can I measure/compare my duty with what others are doing?  My duty is my duty, it has nothing to do with what others are doing or achieving?  If we have done our duty honestly, there is no worry about what the outcome would be ( Karmanyevaadhikaa...) because I could not do anything any better than what I had already done to begin with (as I had already put my 100% to begin with).
• Don't we all know what is right - wrong, ethical - unethical, moral - immoral?  (BTW, God has nothing to do with any of it!!!  Under the law of karma - we reap what we sow.)  So, if we understand the right from wrong, if we understand law of karma, if we have full faith in God, if we understand we are responsible for our own actions then what is there to worry?  Who are we to judge & punish or recognize and reward others?  Who is being worried?  why?  for what?  Search deep.
• Am I the parent of the failing student?  Am I imposing my ambitions on to my son/daughter?  Am I trying to live my dreams through my kids?  Am I putting my kids into stress unnecessarily because I as a parent can not accept failure?  I as a parent, need to evaluate myself - look within and determine the course of action I need to take.
• Are we trying to hide our weaknesses or failures in the name of what others are doing?  This may include lack of our ability/honesty to perform a given duty (face ones own self), fear to face others (image/prestige/what others will say), lack of strength to fight for what is right, lack of courage to face consequences, etc., etc.? 
• Are we operating as a person with full faith in God, He and only He is mine and no body else is.  Dedicating all of our actions at His Feet and believing that He and only He exist - Vasudevam sarvam?  Whatever is done, is all good for me even though at short term level it looks very unpleasing to me?  If so, who is performing duty, towards whom?  who is becoming upset against whom?  who wants to fight against whom?  Search deep.
• If your inclination is spiritual, I would recommend to read the following email also: Let's expand our horizon w/Gitaji - how 2 b detached: duty & knowledge? (5 of 8 emails): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gita-talk/message/432

Om Sai Ram To you and All,

Accept my pranam.  It is very nicely explained. I wish to add few more
thoughts as below:

How not to worry and Live and Let be ?

Why do we assume the responsibility in our hands and start taking charge. Gita
explains
( Karmanevaadhiakarsteye Ma Faleshu Kadachin--) : you do the Karma and leave the
results to God.
Why Worry when HE is there to look for you. HE is every where in and around you
he is directing you to perform  and follow the right path. But you take charge
and choose the path other than what HE has for
you. Suffering and worry is due to the path chosen by you without HIS
permission. Leave everything up to HIM and HE will take care of you.

Krishna explains to Arjuna: "Sarvakarma Paritjya Mamekam sarnamvrjah"
Offer every work/action to HIM Surrender to HIM. HE will take care of you.

Does a child ever worry ?, The answer is NO. But Why ? Because the Mother /
father knows what a child need. So one must put trust, confidence and faith in
HIS hands. When HE brings  a soul into this world, HE has made all the
arrangements to meet the needs of that soul.

So do not worry when HE is there. Leave everything to HIM.  we can not move even
a leaf without his will. Then why try to do which we can not. Are we immortal?.
Can we live eternally,? if the answer is
No, then  why to worry. It is HIS creation to HIS liking. HE is the master. We
are just the puppets in HIS hands. We play to his tunes. Let us all understand
that this world is not real and not immortal.

Krishna  when showing his ViratRupa to Arjun,expalined to Arjun that All are
being swallowed by HIM. No one could save them from HIM. The results are very
clear.

Worry or No worry, Fate can not be changed based on our Karma due to our
attachments to the unreal world and  unfulfilled unlimited desires. So, then why
worry. Live the way God desired us to live and Let life move the way HE has
planned for you.

Follow the path of truthfulness, rightful duty without the expectations of
results towards salvation per HIS command. Take HIM as your friend, father,
mother, son, daughter, or master, and Guru and Live happily with no attachments.

Love all always; Serve all always; Help all ever; Hurt No one -never.

Very Loving Sai Ram to all.

Kamlesh Kumar





--- "Kaura, Madan (M.L.)" <mkaura@...> wrote:

> Shree Hari
>
> Ram Ram
>
> Priya Sadhaka,
> Aap ke prashna ke laye bahut bahut dhanyabad!
>
> You have addressed your question to late Param
> Shardhya Swamiji Maharaj,
> it is through his blessings and grace, here are few
> thoughts!
>
> Your question is how to attain tranquility of mind.
> I believe it is the
> same as saying how to attain equanimity (Samta).
>
> The single biggest obstacle in the path to attain
> Samta is to believe
> all the worldly associations we are surrounded with
> on a daily basis are
> real. But the fact is that they are constantly
> changing. References in
> Gitaji -
> 2-14 "O son of Kunti, the contacts of the senses and
> their objects,
> which give rise to the feelings of heat and cold,
> pleasure and pain,
> etc., are transitory and fleeting; therefore,
> Arjuna, endure them".
> 2-15 "O chief of men, the wise man to whom pain and
> pleasure are alike,
> and who is not tormented by those contacts, becomes
> fit for
> immortality".
>
> Swamiji Maharajji recommends two ways:
> 1. Being without Raag & Davesh (Attachment and
> aversion)
> 2. Seeing God in all
>
> If there is anything important in Gita, it is to
> attain the state of
> Samta. It is the highest achievement for the Sadhka.
> Once Samta is
> attained Gita does not look for any other quality in
> Sadhka since
> attaining to Samta is nothing but merging with God.
>
> In Gita 2-48 Samta is called Yoga "Samatavam yoga
> ucyate"  -  (even
> mindedness is Yoga ) , Yoga is the union with the
> Supreme.
> Paramatma is sama (being situated in oneness) but
> Prakriti is Vishma
> (situated in the differentiation).
> Gita 5-19 Nirdosam hi samam brahma (Brahamn is
> flawless and equal in
> all)
> Gita 9-29 Samo 'ham sarvabhuuteshu (I am equally
> present in all human
> beings)
>
> After attaining Samta other divine qualities
> automatically come. If
> someone has not attained Samta but has many other
> achievments, such as
> knowledge, skill, respect, health, money or riches
> etc. all these do not
> count for much.
>
> Paramatma resides in Samta only, all things created
> by God for the
> benefit of the world are perfectly always in Samta.
> All creation is made
> of the five basic great elements - Earth, water,
> fire, wind and ether.
> All human beings get these elements equally, no
> distinction is made
> whether a person is good or bad, he does good or bad
> actions, the sun
> provides the same light to all, other elements do
> likewise. But the
> srishti created by the human being is where the
> differentiation lies,
> the man compelled by delusion creates the divisions
> such as - this is
> mine and that is yours, this part of the land is
> mine and this is yours.
> This "mine and yours" scenario has created all the
> strifes, fights and
> conflicts in the world. Even the reason for great
> war of Mahabharat
> happens to be the difference seen by Dhrtarastra -
> Mamka (my sons) and
> Pandva (sons of Pandu).
>
> When one is able to see all creation with equal
> vision (in Samta), that
> is the seeing the world same way as God would see
> it. In other words, it
> is seeing and feeling the presence God everywhere
> (Gita 7-19 "Vasudev
> Savam").
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: gita-talk@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:gita-talk@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of sadhak_insight
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:27 PM
> To: gita-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [gita-talk] How to not Worry, to Live and
> to Let Be?
>
>
>
> From: "shakuntala" <shakuntala@...
> <mailto:shakuntala%40ig.com.br>
> >
>
> Respected Swami Ramsukdasji,
>
> l was pleased to read your enlightening message. l
> try hard to
> maintain tranquility of mind, but the problems of
> day to day life
> shunts me. ls there a way not to worry about all
> this? Just live and
> let be?
>
> l will be glad to hear from u. Thanking u in
> advance,
> sincerely yours, Shakuntala.
>
>
>
>
>

Om Sai Ram To you and All,

Accept my pranam. It is very nicely explained. I wish to add few more
thoughts as below:

How not to worry and Live and Let be ?

Why do we assume the responsibility in our hands and start taking charge. Gita explains
( Karmanevaadhiakarsteye Ma Faleshu Kadachin--) : you do the Karma and leave the results to God.
Why Worry when HE is there to look for you. HE is every where in and around you he is directing you to perform and follow the right path. But you take charge and choose the path other than what HE has for
you. Suffering and worry is due to the path chosen by you without HIS permission. Leave everything up to HIM and HE will take care of you.

Krishna explains to Arjuna: "Sarvakarma Paritjya Mamekam sarnamvrjah"
Offer every work/action to HIM Surrender to HIM. HE will take care of you.

Does a child ever worry ?, The answer is NO. But Why ? Because the Mother / father knows what a child need. So one must put trust, confidence and faith in HIS hands. When HE brings a soul into this world, HE has made all the arrangements to meet the needs of that soul.

So do not worry when HE is there. Leave everything to HIM. we can not move even a leaf without his will. Then why try to do which we can not. Are we immortal?. Can we live eternally,? if the answer is
No, then why to worry. It is HIS creation to HIS liking. HE is the master. We are just the puppets in HIS hands. We play to his tunes. Let us all understand that this world is not real and not immortal.

Krishna when showing his ViratRupa to Arjun,expalined to Arjun that All are being swallowed by HIM. No one could save them from HIM. The results are very clear.

Worry or No worry, Fate can not be changed based on our Karma due to our attachments to the unreal world and unfulfilled unlimited desires. So, then why worry. Live the way God desired us to live and Let life move the way HE has planned for you.

Follow the path of truthfulness, rightful duty without the expectations of results towards salvation per HIS command. Take HIM as your friend, father, mother, son, daughter, or master, and Guru and Live happily with no attachments.

Love all always; Serve all always; Help all ever; Hurt No one -never.

Very Loving Sai Ram to all.

Kamlesh Kumar

--- "Kaura, Madan (M.L.)" <mkaura@ford.com> wrote:

> Shree Hari
>
> Ram Ram
>
> Priya Sadhaka,
> Aap ke prashna ke laye bahut bahut dhanyabad!
>
> You have addressed your question to late Param
> Shardhya Swamiji Maharaj,
> it is through his blessings and grace, here are few
> thoughts!
>
> Your question is how to attain tranquility of mind.
> I believe it is the
> same as saying how to attain equanimity (Samta).
>
> The single biggest obstacle in the path to attain
> Samta is to believe
> all the worldly associations we are surrounded with
> on a daily basis are
> real. But the fact is that they are constantly
> changing. References in
> Gitaji -
> 2-14 "O son of Kunti, the contacts of the senses and
> their objects,
> which give rise to the feelings of heat and cold,
> pleasure and pain,
> etc., are transitory and fleeting; therefore,
> Arjuna, endure them".
> 2-15 "O chief of men, the wise man to whom pain and
> pleasure are alike,
> and who is not tormented by those contacts, becomes
> fit for
> immortality".
>
> Swamiji Maharajji recommends two ways:
> 1. Being without Raag & Davesh (Attachment and
> aversion)
> 2. Seeing God in all
>
> If there is anything important in Gita, it is to
> attain the state of
> Samta. It is the highest achievement for the Sadhka.
> Once Samta is
> attained Gita does not look for any other quality in
> Sadhka since
> attaining to Samta is nothing but merging with God.
>
> In Gita 2-48 Samta is called Yoga "Samatavam yoga
> ucyate" - (even
> mindedness is Yoga ) , Yoga is the union with the
> Supreme.
> Paramatma is sama (being situated in oneness) but
> Prakriti is Vishma
> (situated in the differentiation).
> Gita 5-19 Nirdosam hi samam brahma (Brahamn is
> flawless and equal in
> all)
> Gita 9-29 Samo 'ham sarvabhuuteshu (I am equally
> present in all human
> beings)
>
> After attaining Samta other divine qualities
> automatically come. If
> someone has not attained Samta but has many other
> achievments, such as
> knowledge, skill, respect, health, money or riches
> etc. all these do not
> count for much.
>
> Paramatma resides in Samta only, all things created
> by God for the
> benefit of the world are perfectly always in Samta.
> All creation is made
> of the five basic great elements - Earth, water,
> fire, wind and ether.
> All human beings get these elements equally, no
> distinction is made
> whether a person is good or bad, he does good or bad
> actions, the sun
> provides the same light to all, other elements do
> likewise. But the
> srishti created by the human being is where the
> differentiation lies,
> the man compelled by delusion creates the divisions
> such as - this is
> mine and that is yours, this part of the land is
> mine and this is yours.
> This "mine and yours" scenario has created all the
> strifes, fights and
> conflicts in the world. Even the reason for great
> war of Mahabharat
> happens to be the difference seen by Dhrtarastra -
> Mamka (my sons) and
> Pandva (sons of Pandu).
>
> When one is able to see all creation with equal
> vision (in Samta), that
> is the seeing the world same way as God would see
> it. In other words, it
> is seeing and feeling the presence God everywhere
> (Gita 7-19 "Vasudev
> Savam").
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: gita-talk@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:gita-talk@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of sadhak_insight
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:27 PM
> To: gita-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [gita-talk] How to not Worry, to Live and
> to Let Be?
>
>
>
> From: "shakuntala" <shakuntala@ig.com.br
> <mailto:shakuntala%40ig.com.br>
> >
>
> Respected Swami Ramsukdasji,
>
> l was pleased to read your enlightening message. l
> try hard to
> maintain tranquility of mind, but the problems of
> day to day life
> shunts me. ls there a way not to worry about all
> this? Just live and
> let be?
>
> l will be glad to hear from u. Thanking u in
> advance,
> sincerely yours, Shakuntala.
>
>
>
>
>

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Dear Sadhak
'Silence' is to my mind 'action of non reaction' or an action without
anexiety or fear or expectation.  This state of awareness comes by complete
knowledge, and is not a matter of ignorance or a pretext of avoidance.
Example is how a grandfather sits in midst of chaos of children playing
around him. This 'silence of enlightened' is 'drasta' bhav and is a feeling
of  unity of uniserval existence of the soul. Gandhi also practiced
'silence' because in those days choas in Indian politics was unreasonable
and he was at best in silence.

Bhagwat Gita did not describe 'silence' but it described vivarjan
(abstinance) of 'sang dosha'.  'Sang' means, 'interaction'; and 'sansar' is
product of the 'sang dosha' or interactive learning. Sri Krishna said to
Arjun that interaction is source of a question but not an answer. For
finding an answer, it is not a right way, and a bhakt should stay in
solitude to make his mind free to think (meditate).

Sri Krishna by great care explained secret of 'reasoning' and practice of
pure reason. He expected His bhakt to remain always in a state of solitute
rather than in a state of the interaction. The reason is, 'solitute' is a
state of 'thinking' and 'interaction' is about 'learning'. By this
definition, learning is opposite of thinking, and is like learning as
'eating' and thinking as 'disesting'. 'Eat less, digest more'. Silence is
helpful for a solitude but is not a gurantee. Purposeful silence frees the
mind to 'digest' or 'think' at something, and create an understanding that
develops mind to understand thughts of the Bhagwat Gita.

Hare Ram
K G Misra


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