I ran across an interesting chart showing danish wind power. It's an older chart but I assume the wind blows in a fairly similar way most of the time. Wind...
Re: Is geothermal energy in our future? Posted by: "poitsplace" poitsplace@... poitsplace Date: Thu May 28, 2009 9:17 pm ((PDT)) ... We should use all we...
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poitsplace
Jun 1, 2009 10:05 pm
... Have you actually looked at the numbers, though? They do tests in absurdly high CO2 concentrations (like carbonated water you'd get from a bottle) and...
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Wayne
lwaynes_world
Jun 2, 2009 12:20 am
I suppose that I am impressed with what seventy worldwide academies have to say....
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poitsplace
Jun 2, 2009 3:20 am
I noticed the problem when I read some of the very few articles that actually gave numbers. The Ocean will indeed remain slightly basic and there's nothing we...
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Laxman Belbase
lbelbase
Jun 2, 2009 3:49 am
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Why thank you so much Wayne for finding an article that backed up the figures I gave. That really wasn't necessary....
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Wayne
lwaynes_world
Jun 2, 2009 2:13 pm
Of course you know that the pH scale is logarithmic and that slight changes in the acidity of the ocean will have profound effects on future life in the ocean....
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poitsplace
Jun 5, 2009 7:30 am
Check the chart <http://www.poitsplace.com/temp/ggas.gif> Did you notice how the dip for CO2 stoped just below the black body curve for 225k? That's because...
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Wayne
lwaynes_world
Jun 5, 2009 8:28 pm
I have read this and am trying to make sense out of it. I think that I understand that you are saying that the CO2 molecule at the upper reaches of the...
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poitsplace
Jun 6, 2009 5:29 am
Hmmm, I'm obviously going to have to think long and hard on how to get this point across because it's apparently a bit too complex to take in easily. For...
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Wayne
lwaynes_world
Jun 6, 2009 1:01 pm
Ok, so the CO2 molecule cannot absorb energy from its surroundings because the close atmosphere is cooler than the window. However, you neglected to address...
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poitsplace
Jun 6, 2009 2:05 pm
No, that's not it at all. CO2 both emits and absorbs. The lowest emission rate can't be any lower than the lowest temperature CO2 which emits its spectrum at...
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Wayne
lwaynes_world
Jun 6, 2009 3:54 pm
We are not talking about heat. We are talking about quantum energies being absorbed and re-emitted by the chemical bonds in the CO2 molecule. This is like...
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poitsplace
Jun 7, 2009 5:19 am
That's just it, you're busy watching the street hustler mix up the cups...but he palmed the card before he even started mixing. Did it never occur to you that...
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Wayne
lwaynes_world
Jun 7, 2009 11:42 am
Nice try. But the CO2 radiates in all directions. Some is redirected back towards earth where it is turned into heat, thus holding that energy just a little...
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poitsplace
Jun 7, 2009 4:47 pm
... Well entertaining for a moment that your idea had any credibility at all you've just got two, tiny problems. First off...HALF of the energy has a free ride...
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Wayne
lwaynes_world
Jun 7, 2009 10:55 pm
... I will agree with this. ... Without GHG, almost all the radiation from the earth would be shed directly to space very quickly. When GHG's are in the...
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poitsplace
Jun 8, 2009 6:16 am
... How do you not see this? Look at the cold layer, the only layer that can actually slow anything down. Which way do you think it's additional energy will...
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poitsplace
Jun 8, 2009 4:19 pm
... Oops, I remembered his figures incorrectly. It came out to 3.39. That's the bottleneck in the atmosphere for CO2's frequencies....
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Wayne
lwaynes_world
Jun 8, 2009 5:09 pm
Think of the CO2 molecules as little one-way mirrors. Part of the IR is reflected and part is transmitted. It really has little effect on the mirror The...
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poitsplace
Jun 8, 2009 11:29 pm
... is ... example ... Everything gives off heat. Get that through all the brainwashing! CO2 can emit energy just because it's warm. Not only does it emit...
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Wayne
lwaynes_world
Jun 9, 2009 12:45 am
First, CO2 does not emit heat. It may transmit heat by conduction, bumping into surrounding molecules, but it emits electromagnetic radiation, not heat....
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poitsplace
Jun 9, 2009 4:18 am
... Oh, sorry...I was simplifying it. Of course it emits electromagnetic radiation. For that matter the molecules never actually bump into each other either,...
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poitsplace
Jun 9, 2009 5:14 am
Oh, a much simpler way of saying the same thing. When a gas is at the same temperature as the ground, it's "back-radiation" is entirely offset by the natural...
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Wayne
lwaynes_world
Jun 9, 2009 11:52 am
There is a difference, the non greenhouse molecule emits more or less continuously, the GHG's emit quantitatively. We are not concerned with the continuous...
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poitsplace
Jun 9, 2009 2:50 pm
... How do you miss this over and over and over and over? I was talking about CO2 and the frequencies it absorbs and emits. It absorbs its spectrum. It emits...
