Newspaper article May 3rd 1910. Gazette of the US Pennsylvania
Carol Boyd
Cape May, NJ

I have posted a photo of my self taken along side the grave stone of my ggg
grandfather and Civil War Vetern Daniel A Hand, he is buried with his (I believe
3rd. wife) and his parents William J & Eliza(Force)Hand and some more infant
family members.

Shirley do you still have that article on Richard Tindall? I can't seem to
locate it on the handcousins site and wonder if you could share it again. Hope
you are well. It was fun seeing you and Charlene at Founders Weekend.
Carol

----- Original Message -----

From: sesenn@...

To: handcousins@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 6:14 PM

Subject: Re: [handcousins] Tindall

 

Carol     At first I didn't remember what article you were referring to.  Did figure it out by going to Handcousins messages and searched for Richard Tindall.    Messages 7492, 7493 and 7494 refer to Tindall.   When I read the messages I found the article under my Thompson info.

 

I have the three pages in front of me. Don't remember if I sent it to the website or not. Do you want me to scan it and upload or just send it to you.

 

Had a great time in Cape May last Sept. Can't believe it's almost another year.

Shirley

Just wanted to wish all my friends a very Merry Christmas.  It was here that I
first found distant cousins who were helpful in my search for information on my
Hand ancestors.  The family members I knew were all gone and I felt a need to
connect with people who are related to me.  The warm welcome from all of you;
even to those to which I was not related, was wonderful.

To fill you in on my progress, I am still finding Hand cousins.  Grandmother
Hand started a reunion for her family in 1905 and it has been held every year
since.  It is the 3rd longest running reunion in the United States.  We have
gone to Alabama to the Veazey family reunion for the past two years and have
plans to attend next year.  I have so many second cousins there.

No longer is there any reason to feel envy when my friends talk about being with
family for holidays and special events.  Thank you all for playing a part in
helping me get started in my genealogy search.  You helped me find the greatest
gift of all------ loving family members I did not know existed!

Thanks for the gift and Happy Holidays!!
Joan Hand Murphy

Hi Yvonne,

I may be able to help if your family truly came from Henry County, Georgia.  I
do know that there was a "scandal" in the Hand family and that a man changed his
name from Hand to Hann because he was so upset with his father.

This would have been a descendant of Joseph (born 1755), and Kizziah Hand.  They
married in Pendleton District, South Carolina and moved to Henry County, Georgia
with their children.  Joseph Hand was given a land grant in GA because he was in
the Revolutionary War.  After Joseph's death, Kizziah and her grown children
moved to the Tallapoosa County, Alabama area.

I am offering this information to give you an area to search but am not certain
that this is a part of your family.  A warning…..During the Civil War, northern
soldiers burned all public buildings in that area of Georgia, destroying all
records.  I have a gap in two branches of my family because they lived in Henry
County prior to 1861.

Also, thisJoseph Hand is not connected to the Long Island Hand family.

Good luck,
Joan Hand Murphy


--- In handcousins@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Boyd" <grantstbeachbum@...> wrote:
>
> You probably have all of this information but here is what I have managed to
find so far.
> 1910 census
> Ellis Hann born 1882 and his wife Mary J. Hann (Mcgill) 1889
> Members of the house hold include Nancy Wilson who is the grandmother.
> Nancy says she is 85 born in 1824 in S.C.
> she states her father' s birth place as USA as well as her mothers. Nancy is a
Widow.I gather that she married a second time to a man who's last name was
Wilson.
> James C Hann born 1843  Georgia must be the son of Nancy Wilson says his
parents were born in S.C. he is widowed
> Carol Boyd
> Cape May, NJ
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Yvonne Cook
>   To: handcousins@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 7:52 PM
>   Subject: [handcousins] new member
>
>
>
>
>   Hi to all,
>
>   I have been researching my family genealogy for several years now and I am
still having trouble with the Hann (Hand) side.  My grandfather was Ellis Hann
,son of James Canaday Hann.  They lived in Hickman County Tennessee from the
1870's.  Supposedly James came from Henry County, Georgia maybe Walker Co. GA or
maybe Walton Co. GA.!  James fought in the civil war with the TN 26th company H
and enlisted in Knoxville Tn.  Family records state that his father was from
Pendleton, SC.  This is where I am having trouble.  Some family records state
that his father possibly was Lewis (Louis) Hand who was married to Nancy
Bagwell?  I really would like it if I could find this missing link!  Thank you
for allowing me to be a part of your group.
>
>   Sincerely,
>
>   Yvonne Hann Cook
>

Joan, I'd like to join you in wishing a very Merry Christmas to all of the
Handcousins. I've not found a lot of connections here, but hope continues to
"spring eternal" and I have found a lot of very gracious folks here (the kind of
people you like to think of as "kin"), and I do enjoy reading about the progress
being made, as well as that being sought. You are certainly one of those
gracious folks, dear heart, and I appreciate you so very much. May G-d bless you
and yours, and may He richly bless all of my extended family here, not just at
this time of the year, but in the year and years to come.Sincerely,Robert Lee
Hand(a middle Tennessee cousin)-------------------------------------- In
handcousins@yahoogroups.com, "txhandcousin" <texaswriter@...> wrote:>> Just
wanted to wish all my friends a very Merry Christmas.  It was here that I first
found distant cousins who were helpful in my search for information on my Hand
ancestors.  The family members I knew were all gone and I felt a need to connect
with people who are related to me.  The warm welcome from all of you; even to
those to which I was not related, was wonderful.> > To fill you in on my
progress, I am still finding Hand cousins.  Grandmother Hand started a reunion
for her family in 1905 and it has been held every year since.  It is the 3rd
longest running reunion in the United States.  We have gone to Alabama to the
Veazey family reunion for the past two years and have plans to attend next year.
I have so many second cousins there.> > No longer is there any reason to feel
envy when my friends talk about being with family for holidays and special
events.  Thank you all for playing a part in helping me get started in my
genealogy search.  You helped me find the greatest gift of all------ loving
family members I did not know existed!> > Thanks for the gift and Happy
Holidays!!> Joan Hand Murphy>

Hello to all from the new "kid" in the group. I'm trying to find any information
anyone might have on Isaac Clinton Hand b-6/16/1884 d-6/2/1955 Damascus,
Washington Co., Va.  He was married to Sally Virginia Barlow and Ada Snyder. 
Any information would be greatly appreciated.

----- Original Message -----

From: sesenn@...

To: handcousins@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 6:03 PM

Subject: [handcousins] Hand Coat of Arms

 

Does anyone have any further info on this?  Shirley

 

There was a lot of discussion about the Hand Family Coat Of Arms  at one time?  There was a woman named Alyce Hand that was going to have someone check with the Arms Registry in London to see if a Coat Of Arms had been registered for the Hand Family.  Do you know what happened to that project? 

----- Original Message -----

From: Margarette G. Ogle

To: handcousins@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 9:13 PM

Subject: Re: [handcousins] Hand Coat of Arms

 

Dear Shirley

I was the one who started it because at the home of the Colonial Dames 17th Century there are a lot of families whose Coats of Arms are hanging.  The Hand family coat is not there.  There was some lady who disagreed that the one which we are using is not the true one.  I just don't argue about something when someone who seems to know more than I do, I drop the subject.  I have the Hand family registered, but have not done anything else.  In order to get another  family approved for the coat in CDXVIIC it has to have been proven through the Society Heraldry chairman.  I still am interested in having it painted as it is and hung at the Society.  I heard from several people who were interested in getting this done.  It costs around $100 for painting, framing and hanging.  I just couldn't afford it by myself. Handcousins arms are the arms of John Hand.  Each coat must go through a bloodline to the person who was awarded the COA.

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A NEW YEAR FILLED WITH MUCH HAPPINESS

 

Margarette

----- Original Message -----

From: sesenn@...

To: handcousins@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 6:03 PM

Subject: [handcousins] Hand Coat of Arms

 

Does anyone have any further info on this?  Shirley

 

There was a lot of discussion about the Hand Family Coat Of Arms  at one time?  There was a woman named Alyce Hand that was going to have someone check with the Arms Registry in London to see if a Coat Of Arms had been registered for the Hand Family.  Do you know what happened to that project? 

----- Original Message -----

From: Carol Boyd

To: handcousins@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 10:20 PM

Subject: Re: [handcousins] Hand Coat of Arms

 

Margarette,

I will be happy to contribute my share to have the Hand coat of arms approval. If all of us contribute it won't cost anyone of us much at all. It should be a lot easier to have it researched now that we have Steven Hand,s will and can prove it as far back as him.

Carol Boyd
Cape May, NJ

----- Original Message -----

From: Margarette G. Ogle

To: handcousins@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 9:13 PM

Subject: Re: [handcousins] Hand Coat of Arms

 

Dear Shirley

I was the one who started it because at the home of the Colonial Dames 17th Century there are a lot of families whose Coats of Arms are hanging.  The Hand family coat is not there.  There was some lady who disagreed that the one which we are using is not the true one.  I just don't argue about something when someone who seems to know more than I do, I drop the subject.  I have the Hand family registered, but have not done anything else.  In order to get another  family approved for the coat in CDXVIIC it has to have been proven through the Society Heraldry chairman.  I still am interested in having it painted as it is and hung at the Society.  I heard from several people who were interested in getting this done.  It costs around $100 for painting, framing and hanging.  I just couldn't afford it by myself. Handcousins arms are the arms of John Hand.  Each coat must go through a bloodline to the person who was awarded the COA.

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A NEW YEAR FILLED WITH MUCH HAPPINESS

 

Margarette

----- Original Message -----

From: sesenn@...

To: handcousins@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 6:03 PM

Subject: [handcousins] Hand Coat of Arms

 

Does anyone have any further info on this?  Shirley

 

There was a lot of discussion about the Hand Family Coat Of Arms  at one time?  There was a woman named Alyce Hand that was going to have someone check with the Arms Registry in London to see if a Coat Of Arms had been registered for the Hand Family.  Do you know what happened to that project? 

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Thorn

To: handcousins@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 7:11 PM

Subject: RE: [handcousins] Hand Coat of Arms

 

Dear Cousins,

"Crozier's General Armory" is not a valid source of authority for anyone to bear arms.  There are several reasons for this.

First, the authority for these arms would be the College of Arms, in England, whose authority derives from the Sovereign.  In order for a coat of arms to be valid, they would either have to be conferred or confirmed by the College of Arms.  There would be a grant and a record of that grant.  In all countries, the authority for arms comes from the state.  The United States, however, has no governing heraldic authority; only self-appointed heraldic societies.  Americans may petition the College of Arms for a new grant of arms if they can prove descent from a British subject, which we clearly can.  But there would still have to be a grant of arms.  Here there isn't any evidence of one.

Second, Crozier doesn't provide any source, other than a blanket assurance in the introduction to the entire volume that "actual examination of the necessary records has shown the family to be entitled to the distinction."  However, on the preceding pages, Crozier provides various rationalizations for accepting arms without any authority whatsoever, claiming that the reason why so few families in America could prove the right to arms is because their records had been lost due to time and wars.

He then rationalizes the inclusion of arms on the grounds that the Garter King of Arms in 1688 explained the criteria he was then applying for approving arms not previously granted or recorded on the grounds of ancient usage.  He said that if arms had been in continuous use for over a century or at least three generations, he would approve them.  Crozier misrepresents this as the current state of Heraldic law, which it is not.  Applying his logic, any American family could claim the right to bear arms simply by claiming them continuously for three generations.  That doesn't necessarily mean that the arms were borne for a long time; a father, son, and grandson could satisfy this requirement in one day.

The entry under "Hand" cites John Hand as the source of the arms, even though there is no evidence that he ever received a grant of arms.  From the way that the entry is written, it looks to me as though some member of the Hand family submitted a coat of arms found elsewhere, asserting that they had belonged to John Hand two hundred years earlier, since he was obviously a member of the Hand family and those were the Hand family arms.  This satisfied Crozier's criteria for inclusion in the book.  If there had been any actual proof of entitlement, it could have been included in the book, but it wasn't.

I'm afraid that "Crozier's General Armory" falls under the heading of "bad genealogy."  It's essentially an unsourced compendium of materials that must be used by hundreds of families to justify bearing arms that have nothing to do with them.  It was printed because families all over the country wanted to believe that they were descended from noble English families, not commoners; and it has no more validity than any of the modern web sites that purport to sell people various documents about their family history and arms.

Right now we have no evidence tying these arms to anybody living in Kent at or before the time of John Hand or Steven Hand.  There's no reason to believe that either of them belonged to the nobility or had enough money to petition for a grant of arms, which then as now was an expensive prospect.  One of the main reasons why coats of arms had to be registered is because they could be taxed; they were something that, for the most part, only the very wealthy possessed.  Not, for the most part, craftsmen earning their living by a trade in a rural village.

Perhaps the best way to clear up this confusion would be to ask the College of Arms whose arms those really are, to whom they were granted, and when.  Whether they'll reply to such a request is another matter.  But there should be a record, and that ought to settle the issue.

Paul

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To: handcousins@yahoogroups.com
From: sesenn@...
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:53:40 -0500
Subject: Re: [handcousins] Hand Coat of Arms

 

 

 

Found this under Crozer's General Armory

 

 

Looking for family link to midwestern Hand (IL and possibly IN).  My father is
Millard Logan Hand and grandfather is Millard Robert Hand however went by
Robert.
Grandfather was born in IL and moved to MI.  Any help would be greatly
appreciated!

--- In handcousins@yahoogroups.com, "rlhand1" <rlhand1@...> wrote:
>
> Looking for family link to midwestern Hand (IL and possibly IN).  My father is
Millard Logan Hand and grandfather is Millard Robert Hand however went by
Robert.
> Grandfather was born in IL and moved to MI.  Any help would be greatly
appreciated!
>
I am an Indiana Hand. Or my mother was. After a couple of day's checking I think
I have your line back to John "the immigrant" pretty well established. If you
contact me off list I can send you what I have.
Jay Thompson